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Dr. Glenn Loury is an American economist, academic, and author. In 1982, he became the first African American tenured professor of economics at Harvard. Among Dr. Loury’s published works are The Anatomy of Racial Inequality and Race, Incarceration, & American Values. He was elected president of the Eastern Economics Association in 2013 and received the Bradley Prize in 2022.
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[@rowdy7480]

@@dustinM613 You eloquently spoke my sentiments exactly. 👍💪

[@Low-Key123]

[KZbin deleted this comment because it contained Truth about George Floyd]

[@rowdy7480]

@@geneticsmatter3834 Have you thought about this: Mr. Peterson only discusses things that he's spent years researching, conversing with experts and really working to wrap his head around. Maybe he isn't discussing the topic you want him to because he doesn't feel well versed in it? Just a thought...

[@hamstryleviathan9035]

@@geneticsmatter3834 well if it's not in his interest then maybe thnk about it again

[@jefferydebbink282]

The George Floyd stuff was honestly just a giant case study on human response when Confirmation Bias sets in.

[@davidkinoti4051]

I agree. Confirmation of a fact

[@Koaki913]

@@davidkinoti4051 And what was this fact?

[@eastwood111]

You’re being delusional. So what the government secretly told this cop to kill Floyd? Come on kid get with reality, it’s not a conspiracy.

[@soopersooper3291]

@@davidkinoti4051 that fentanyl is lethal?

[@Zathren]

Oh boy. I really wanna hear what this fact is.

[@Tomorrison28]

Nearly all the people that called the protest mostly peaceful didn't have them in their neighborhood.

[@umiluv]

An exception being Los Angeles. They rioted around Beverly Hills, Melrose, and West LA. They didn’t do it in the poor areas like they did back in the ‘92 LA Riots thankfully, even though those areas became more gentrified.

[@rp1645]

@@umiluv I saw the Beverly hills Police run them out of the Rich big Millionaires homes. The same day. The Police ran the Protesters out quickly in Rich home areas in LA. That's not me saying this. I saw it filmed by a person filming. Not big media showing at news time.

[@rockieleftwing]

Exactly!

[@Tokomi]

@@umiluv Gentrification is going far you'd be surprised. Feels like I'm being kicked out of Idaho because they won't raise wages and people from outside states have jobs from home that pay a lot and they can easily afford a home here. Since my state is beautiful and offers just as much as California just no beaches, it's become gentrified since the locals can't afford it. Really is a shame but I've noticed its not just Idaho. This all happened in places that are near California. Happened to Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada and Idaho.

[@NotRexButCaesar]

@@Tokomi As in prices for groceries are going up? What changed to become more expensive that it is difficult to afford?

[@defensape]

If the world was as those two intelligent gentlemen, this planet will be a lot better.

[@AngriestAmerican]

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. If you haven't noticed, there's a lot of conflict on Earth.

[@AnthonyAlvarado78]

He says it best. Dissecting complex problems is difficult and most people today don't want that. They want easy.

[@roybaty4785]

The black "gentleman" called George Floyd a "gentleman", LOL

[@roybaty4785]

@@AngriestAmerican Tell that to our Founding Fathers. Even the Bible says there is a time for Peace and a time for War. Only a weak pacifist believes what you said.

[@Killermon23]

Your statement doesn't make sense

[@rjchavers9267]

You can hear the genuine care and concern in Dr. Loury's voice. May God bless and protect those coming together to discuss where we're at and where we are heading.

[@mikelisteral7863]

racism is a democrat conspiracy theory

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

The fact that you can't have an opinion on black America without being black is the problem. If you don't have that skin pigment your thoughts and perspective arent real or valuable. Sad day..

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[@TheHumbleCarpenter]

Amen.

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[@VillainViran]

There's still empty lots where burnt buildings used to be and no one wants to replace around my city. That self destruction just bred bitterness, and all that money raised never touched the poor and needy.

[@rahn45]

Sure that money touched the poor and needy, I mean look at all the mansions that money bought some poor black women to live in!

[@cjay2]

The money bought mansions for the communist 'leaders' of that rat gang.

[@rp1645]

@@keithsj10 I see public transit buses in my area. Not state were this all happened. With the big add areas on side of buss. With big support to BLM. I look at this public transit bus. And all I can think of is the million dollar homes that the BLM Leadership bought with the Donated funds, that were as everyone thought to go to change Police community Policing. Training if you will Have not heard of any money Donated fixing the problem. Just 3 African American Female Drinking champagne talking all gangster like. Laughing having a good old time. With video equipment filming them. All payed for by Donation. Are State is investigating the Funds of BLM, yet are public bus's have big reader boards on side of them. Saying support BLM. I ask were is the Accountability for all these Funds. The Leadership of BLM needs a MLK type person. This just spending the Donated money's on self serving Leadership. Just Destroy's any messages they have. There Protest from now on, are a lost cause.

[@borkguy]

Buying Large Mansions, never gets old.

[@dashcammer4322]

It'd be like rebuilding in a flood plain after you're washed out. There will just be more riots in those areas in the future, as ginned-up riots are politically useful. You'd be looted and torched again and again.

[@MaskHysteria]

The L.A. riots after the Rodney King verdict turned out to be have some of the most pronounced effects on poor areas of L.A. than any bad policy or law. Many companies in the area lost everything and the few that didn't left as soon as they could. This destroyed economic opportunity for locals as nobody wanted to invest in those neighborhoods. Even mundane activities like grocery shopping became a chore as there were no grocery stores in those areas anymore and public transportation was the only option for many inhabitants. The few restaurants that remained were all high profit margin fast food which drastically affected the health of the general population for decades afterward. Any talking head who justifies rioting under the guise of being "the voice of the unheard" is short sighted to the point of being dangerous.

[@fieryeurochick3194]

Especially since the media deliberately didn’t show the entire video. People would have seen that the beating wasn’t the issue. King’s consistent attack on the police was the problem.

[@alphamilkrecordings8974]

Those are facts though...how's the average everyday lib gonna select some outrage with those?

[@talltroll7092]

@@fieryeurochick3194 >> King’s consistent attack on the police was the problem. Rubbish. No matter how violent King was, a group of police armed with batons who could not safely subdue and arrest a single suspect were grossly incompetent at best, and probably should have been charged with far more serious offences than they were. None of that justifies the subsequent riots however

[@fieryeurochick3194]

@@talltroll7092 You really need to watch the original video if you can find it. He was a charging bull. His friend didn’t get hurt at all. He complied. Why do you think King felt so badly about the riots? He knew the truth and he knew the truth wasn’t being told.

[@ghilas6928]

Shaun King, great example.

[@jazzkatt7083]

I have to pushback on Dr. Loury. The mass incarceration is because of a lack of good values in the home. We can't ignore the absence of fathers as our communities have the highest single parent percentage in the nation.

[@rdalge]

And why is that, do you believe? Black people just have loose morals, I suppose?

[@mymusic8414]

Can't argue with that point. But when this is brought up, the activist just deflects it like it doesn't exist

[@thewhiskeycowboy-official]

Correct!

[@MarkMcConnell_pdx]

How can you be sure that the cycle starts with the absence of fathers, when unequal incarceration is a direct cause of absent fathers?

[@SlykRL]

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[@charlo7518]

I love when Dr Loury is surprised when Dr Peterson reiterated what he said in his words... better than he felt he said it.. that is the power of truly listening then communicating back that skill... so fundamental!! And so uncommon...

[@sethjones5250]

Peterson is a trained psychologist. I'm sure that has something to do with it

[@The.Nasty.]

That’s a debate technique Jordan recently released a video on, like last week… the video is called something like “do this one thing during every argument you get into” I’d look it up, it was interesting.

[@wolfy8006]

@@The.Nasty. he said it in his class years ago...

[@The.Nasty.]

@@wolfy8006 okay… and there’s a YT video on it that’s not from years ago and probably a bit easier to find than the class lecture.

[@ASKpq]

It could also undermine the person who made the point originally.

[@pirateskeleton7828]

You guys really hit the nail on the head here. There’s is a real danger to normalizing the instinct to classify individuals down to the worst traits of other individuals in the group or demographic they happen to belong to. Those pushing for this kind of reductionist thinking neglect to consider that it can be used against them.

[@pirateskeleton7828]

@@keithsj10 it might be. My point is that it needs to be considered case by case, individual to individual. We can’t just assume motivations based on race alone. Most victims of robberies are usually targeted because they appear vulnerable, aka easy prey, and give the appearance of having something worth stealing.

[@dfredankey]

@@pirateskeleton7828 people saw chauvin as racist idk about that! What I do know is that cops need to be trained better and police reform is needed! There’s some sort of racial bias that definitely exists when you see black people (proportionally) are 2wice as likely to be shot!

[@pirateskeleton7828]

@@keithsj10 not sure what your point is. My point is that people shouldn’t be assuming other peoples motivations solely based on what races were involved, and instead determine the case on its own merits. This particular case doesn’t seem to be too complicated so we can probably jump to some conclusions and be correct. Other cases aren’t so cut and dry.

[@toby9999]

@@dfredankey People saw chauvin as racist.... why? Where was the evidence? Too many people scream racism for no good reason. Right there is what's tearing society apart. Wokeness. Taking the knee and all the rest of it.

[@Kuolonen]

@@dfredankey There might be racial bias but it can just as easily be explained by the fact that black people are disproportionally poor, and poor people tend to get involved in blue collar crime more, especially if there is poor welfare state support, which usually carries a high risk of getting shot by police.

[@relaxingsounds5469]

This is spot on, the thing that always pissed me off the most about this whole thing is the presumption that it was racially motivated. Absolutely no room for an ounce of critical thinking or debate in public discourse. You either agreed with the constructed narrative completely, or you were an evil racist.

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

You're exactly correct and I heard officer chauvin called George Floyd "Sir" several times. "Sir have you taken anything?" "Sir are you on anything? You are foaming at the mouth!." George Floyd replied "No." & That was immediately after officer chauvin and his partner arrived on the scene and Floyd had forced himself out of the car or was in the process thereof.

[@Warbr33d]

Cultural Marxism in action

[@thescribe3184]

Why did it piss you off more that the murder was presumed to be racially motivated than the fact that a cop strangled someone to death?

[@relaxingsounds5469]

@@thescribe3184 Because this case was racialized/politicized to an insane degree by opportunistic evil clout chasing race hustlers and a multi million/billion dollar "media" complex hell-bent on creating a low resolution and largely false narrative about police brutality and race relations in the country at large. A narrative that was (and is) designed to pit people against one another and stir up chaos and otherwise perpetuate misery needlessly. The riots that ensued shortly after this incident caused massive amounts of human suffering through assaults, murders, and billions of dollars in property destruction. Less immediately, the constructed narrative around this incident was (and is being) used as justification by corrupt city officials and morally bankrupt mega corporations to push for the defunding of police departments nationwide, the implementation of CRT in public education and the injection of divisive one sided racial politics into sports, entertainment, and pretty much every facet of public life. The fallout from this case has had a much bigger negative impact on society as a whole than the incident itself. I'm not a fan of police brutality, but I'm even less of a fan of the anarcho tyranny LARP that our country is currently going through. In my mind the person most responsible for George Floyd's fate is George Floyd, and we need to stop trying martyr career criminals regardless of what race they are. The worst part of all is that it's the black community that has likely bore the biggest cost in all of this when it's all said and done. Does that answer the question?

[@thescribe3184]

@@relaxingsounds5469 It does. Thank you for taking the time to respond. As a victim of police misconduct, I can tell you it's not the fault of the media. These riots were overdue. I told a coworker that if officers keep killing unarmed black people, they'll eventually become targets themselves. Years later, my words have become reality. Thanks again for sharing.

[@ginge82]

Protesting on behalf of a violent career criminal is never a good idea generally.

[@andre1987eph]

We accomplished more than those pathetic peaceful Canadian trucker protests which accomplished absolutely *NOTHING*

[@keiharris332]

The worst problem is that people felt emboldened to commit crime while praising a criminal. No matter the phrase they use to defend their actions, they all committed criminal acts which is what they stand AGAINST.

[@bobsmith5185]

The people who committed criminal acts don’t stand against crime. They stand for obtaining advantages for themselves / their pawns. Don’t assign spurious virtue to people who have none.

[@rahn45]

I personally enjoy the hypocrisy and irony of the whole thing because there's so many layers to it. People on the left who proclaim themselves to be evolved humans with better morality and empathy end up with the cities and states with the highest levels of police abuse, homelessness/poverty, hate crimes, and racism. When people were protesting about the treatment of black people, they essentially burned down and destroyed black communities.

[@Lori-xt2lf]

I don't know if this is related, but I remember the look on Steve Carrel's face as they were pointing out that he was donating to the bail funds. Those people looked positively evil.

[@keiharris332]

@@bobsmith5185 when I say that, I am stating that on their exterior they CLAIM to stand against criminal acts. I should have been more clear as this is all a reduction to absurdity: that they would claim to fight violence and then burn down cities for a few months

[@OnPointFirearms]

I think a lot of the looters and rioters had a penchant for criminality--- but were largely on the fence. This was the opportunity for them to take criminal action using George Floyd as an excuse. Self awareness is not the average street criminal's strong suit.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

With the Chauvin verdict I see people saying "who cares that he didn't get a fair trial because I hate him and what he did". Not realizing the Titanic sized moral iceberg that kind of thinking leads us toward.

[@jhgfuifyt]

yea he didnt get a free trial, he shouldve been publicly excecuted and dragged in the streets just like he did to his victim

[@TrillEverything]

Chain in got the correct verdict. The black kid who murdered the white female college student in the park got the correct verdict. That kid preyed on that White girl Chauvin preyed on the Black guy. In both their eyes, they had someone they saw as valueless under their Black & White power. Sorry... That is the real truth we don't want to admit!

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

@@computer_janitor Did you watch the trial? There was at least one biased juror who lied on the voir dire questionnaire. He said he wasn't involved in any BLM events/protests. Then a picture surfaced of him at a rally in DC wearing a shirt that read "Get Your Knee Off Our Necks". I'm not saying the cop is innocent, he just didn't get a fair trial. The judge refused to even hold a hearing about the possible perjury.

[@tjrrind1452]

That trial should not have been in Minneapolis.

[@tonyc223]

@@computer_janitor Did you see the whole arrest tape ? Floyd with a visible chunk of meth and fent. in his mouth . The 20 minute panic attack before he was on the ground . He was dying long before. Chauvin was a bad cop that was the only thing proven. If Floyd was white he still would have a boot on his neck. The whole trial was a shit show. The real crime is the way the left and the left media used it to tear down the nation. Never let a crisis go to waste. Right out of the Marxist play book..

[@SharkBaitR56]

Glenn Loury is a national treasure. I've been following his youtube channel for over a year now and he never disappoints. I feel like I've learned so much from him. Thanks Glen!

[@andrelaviolette7306]

Often disastrous confrontations between police and any individual begin with refusing to obey the officers at the beginning.

[@andre1987eph]

You are speaking of Ukraine’s refusal to obey the Minsk agreements, correct? If so, I agree.

[@tomashize]

In London large numbers of people decended on the city centre after Floyd's murder. There was violence and vandalism and it was horrible. They acted like 1 this had happened in the UK and 2 a riot would help. It was during a lockdown and felt like an enormous excuse for cathartic destruction. Certainly helped nobody and solved nothing.

[@thescribe3184]

Yeah, here in the US a bunch of Ukrainians took to the street to protest the war, even though the US isn't involved. Things like that happen.

[@nsh1980gmail]

Wonder what the mystery reply was

[@Coolpoolers]

It just showed people’s ignorance and the power the media has on the small minded.

[@user-et6se3hl1v]

Let me guess why they were protesting was it because they wanted to go shopping at the high end stores.

[@jimi159]

@@thegooglearchipelago8253 it’s hard to be representative when UK police only shoot 3-5 people a year…

[@baronofgreymatter14]

Being poor doesnt give you an excuse to be a criminal

[@bromack3]

I'm a 63yr old black man. Back in the 60's and 70's we had less money and fewer resources... yet, we were not as violent towards each other as I see black behaving people today.

[@Davidweedlove]

Or rich !

[@timeisup3094]

Data shows being poor is a cause.

[@baronofgreymatter14]

@@computer_janitor It isnt the main cause at all. Social welfare systems..no fathers in the homes, no accountability, Leftie apologists and those using the racism of low expectations and over lenient justice system that puts criminals right back on the street. Stealing alcohol from walgreens is not feeding your family. They have no excuse.

[@keithdeegan462]

@@computer_janitor do you think it could be a vicious circle? Businesses won't open up in high crime areas, work isn't available to the locals, poverty increases, people commit crime to make ends meet, businesses are even less likely to open up in that area and poverty and crime increase even more.

[@sugarmagnolia7735]

An open dialogue with patience , honesty and respect . Thank you both for modeling appropriate behavior .

[@zoomby4380]

Yes, so true. Open dialogue is sure missing in our world to day. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@cowboysfan782008]

I'm a 53 yr old white male and have friends of all colors, as I did growing up on my block in the mid to late 1970's. This is great conversation by two great men, and the main point I take out of this discussion is that this whole "white guilt" thing, and making George Floyd the poster boy for injustice, along with CRT in schools, etc is nonsense, and only further divides, and IMO the powers that be want this division, I just don't know exactly why. People are people, some good some bad, and most of the differences are in "Culture", not Color, but they never talk about that because common sense doesn't seem to exist when it comes to these topics. Eight year old innocent kid's should not be taught, or made to feel bad about things that happened 10 generations ago, when they have enough to content with in this cyber world they are growing up in.

[@traczebabe]

I’m also in my 50’s and grew up in the 60’s & 70’s with black families, Jewish families, Mexican families & white families. Brand new neighborhood. We were all friends. My black friend was extremely popular. Not because of her skin color but because she was a good person.

[@georgeorwell2703]

The young woman was Tessa Majors, who was part of a family that is very dear to Volunteer fans at the University of TN. If I remember correctly, Johnny Majors, the great football coach, was her uncle. That family went through a lot of tragedies over the years. I just thought it was important that someone mention her name, and thanks to Dr. Loury for remembering the incident that so many have already forgotten.

[@ThePS3Beast109]

Thank you

[@iwantthe80sback59]

Forgot about it? I never even heard about it.

[@jimwerther]

@@iwantthe80sback59 It was a local news story here in New York. The national media ignored it, as it didn't fit their narrative.

[@iwantthe80sback59]

@@jimwerther Thank you for letting me know. Cheers, Toronto

[@jimwerther]

@@iwantthe80sback59 👍

[@lorenzomabalos9851]

Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Medgar Evers would all be facepalming in their graves at this BS.

[@locovaldezakarichardmccart843]

ABSOLUTAMENTE! Rejecting and contradicting MLK & JESUS will only make things worse.

[@theBear89451]

These morons existed in MLK's camp. It's just that people followed MLK instead of the other jerks trying to lead, because MLK won his position with logic and reason. I miss logic and reason.

[@locovaldezakarichardmccart843]

@@theBear89451 I am so less ignorant, fooled, and dangerous than I used to be. But, I am old. "and then, another little baby's born in the ghetto" "and so it goes"

[@Fozzimo]

MLK would be right next to Al Sharpton race grifting like they always did

[@umiluv]

@@Fozzimo - I don’t think so. Otherwise, MLK wouldn’t have been assassinated. So far Al Sharpton isn’t a threat to the oligarchy so he’s still alive.

[@BladeDoomer86]

The Problem? Making a Saint out of a common criminal. Then using him as a Martyr to justify your crimes.

[@BladeDoomer86]

@@computer_janitor Listen pal, i'm an immigrant from a poor background, and i had multiple opportunities to make the wrong choice.. I didn't, because morals. Stop victimizing and take responsibility.

[@BlkwtrPrk]

It's racist to police Blacks in a country with a Jewish elite that intensely hates the White population.

[@GabrielleTollerson]

exactly

[@GabrielleTollerson]

@@computer_janitor AHAHAHAHAHA

[@rdalge]

Should we continue to justify criminal behavior by cops though?

[@bcc7777]

Honestly, the whole "George Floyd" incident woke me up to what is happening in America. I was shocked, then pissed that I had been so fooled. Fooled about EVERYTHING! Thank you, for the wake up!

[@youar33y3]

eye see you

[@magnanomac456]

ok Bonny, it'll be fine. Just please for the love of god take your meds before you hurt someone :(

[@MASTERBUILDER-dd1rg]

it's very easy to fool someone who'll believe a story that changed 4 times can't breathe but he can talk just fine underacting crisis

[@MASTERBUILDER-dd1rg]

@@youar33y3 shuddup red rose i too read el zuhar

[@carmenlajoie2719]

What's US foreign policy? Bombing countries & stealing resources has nothing to do with Communism or Socialism. Rules Based Order is Colonialism 2.0.

[@taqiya3504]

Conflict is the inevitable outcome of diversity.

[@sunnyday5621]

In the early 80's corrections personnel were trained that being incarcerated was the punishment (loss of freedom), not for punishment. Strides were being made to occupy inmates with education, counseling and toward the end of their sentence, work release to reintroduce them gradually to freedom with responsibility. It was also shown that removing an inmate from his home area, diminished the societal and economic influences and their safety net that endorsed the criminal behavior. Results were that first time offenders that did not go back to their home area, did not re-offend. Multiple offenders continued to offend, until the age of 45. Then they seemed more open to change. Those that were able to continue in the their work release job, did not re-offend. What happened to these programs?

[@N0stalgicLeaf]

Now in some areas it's common for a newly released inmate to be given a bill for expenses incurred during incarceration. Not only are they not given much assistance to get back to a responsible and meaningful existence, they're penalized further. And what happens WHEN this debt becomes unmanageable? The same thing for any debt you don't pay. The legal system just keeps grinding. It's not just cruel. It's malevolent.

[@sugarmagnolia7735]

I spent way too long working in corrections , the programs are still there , but not a lot of takers . Teachers in a prison with 1,500 men with class rooms of 10 to 15 people attending ( 90s and beyond ) . At first I noticed that the low numbers for education was a too cool for school attitude , now it’s because BLM , trans rights , ( the saddest part ) fear for being singled out by other inmates ( that’s never been good ). With work release you have to follow the rules or you get kicked back to medium security . They must be and want to change .

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

@@sugarmagnolia7735 Prison's main utility should be to prevent harm to society by locking up harmful people. A secondary goal should be offering opportunities and rehabilitation to those who prove they are serious about it.

[@alvareo92]

What also happened is that a large amount of US citizens do NOT want any cent of their tax money to go towards making criminals’ lives any better

[@sugarmagnolia7735]

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 , “ the safety and security of the institution and the public .”

[@rahn45]

An observation I've repeatedly made over the years is that I've never seen a Progressive treat another person as a human being, they treat everyone and everything around them as a talking point. The 'fiery but mostly peaceful' protests is certainly a testament to how much they actually cared about their own communities.

[@mustangracer5124]

Remember who pays THEIR bills also.. 99% taxpayer funded leaches.

[@HINRG14]

"I've never seen a progressive treat another person as a human being" is exactly the kind of rigid ideological rhetoric Peterson and Loury are fighting against imo

[@dgoodall]

@rahn45 And yet here you are, speaking of all “Progressives” as non-humans, as a mere taking point

[@rahn45]

@@dgoodall It's called an "observation". If you put a gun to my head and told me to come up with an example where I witnessed a Progressive treat someone else like a human being I'd come up short. I actually tried to go through my head of various Progressive figures I'm aware of and tried to think of instances where they treated someone else like a person, and I couldn't think of any. Is this because I don't know that many Progressives? Maybe. Perhaps all outspoken Progressives behave that way, and the 'quiet' ones actually do treat other people like human beings? Maybe. I don't know. Besides, I never made the claim that Progressives are 'non-human'; I said I've never seen them treat someone else like a human being.

[@dgoodall]

@@rahn45 the dehumanizing and reducing to a talking point happens on both sides. It’s the basis of what we now call “debate” unfortunately.

[@heronoverdose]

The Floyd response was so dishonest and I REFUSE to believe that the people who inflate the issue don't know the truth

[@brianmeen2158]

They know the truth - they are intentionally trying to keep people enraged and confused. Mainstream Media is straight evil

[@JeffMTX]

i think theyre seeking some kind of moral purpose and have no clue how to do it. SJWs, dumb as dirt

[@KevinJohnson-jc9ju]

💯 saved a burning and looting

[@BDXRP11B]

I believe the issue is an inability or unwillingness to assimilate, parent, or take responsibility for either. That mixed with the glorification of a criminal lifestyle in pop culture by people who live in mansions. To suggest that loosening drug laws will change the race disparity in prisons is naive at best.

[@andre1987eph]

However, even when you try to assimilate all races reject Americans of African descent. Especially African American males. I speak from experience of having graduated from and Ivy League college and still facing discrimination on a minute to minute basis in largely Latino and Asian controlled Los Angeles.

[@grantmcphee5149]

​@@andre1987ephit's a pattern worldwide. There's a reason for it. You might not feel that it's particularly fair to you as an individual but you probably 'play the percentages' in your daily life in many ways too.

[@Red-zh7vq]

This kinda perfectly articulates how I view the “race issue” in America. We’re still ironing out a lot of the issues and it’s hard because of the people in charge, not the structures. But we actually go backwards in our development as a society if we paint everything in the broad brush stroke of “racism is inherent and alive as ever.” I hate to try to speak for anyone, but to me it seems incorrect to think that every African American is for BLM.

[@billyumbraskey8135]

race is real, it's more than just skin color, and it matters. no, this doesnt mean it's completely determinant. yes, it does mean it matters. people should be free to identify with their race if they want to without being cast as a boogeyman.

[@Red-zh7vq]

@@billyumbraskey8135 identity politics is the reason we are so divided as it is

[@billyumbraskey8135]

@@Red-zh7vq low-thought response.

[@BuddyLee23]

Black folks and White folks form different cultures and ultimately different societies. White majority culture and societies may not be an ideal fit for Black folks, and I suspect the reverse may be equally true as well. The most humane step may be to free Black folks from the ‘round peg in a square hole’ incongruence of White society and give them greater latitude to build their own cultures and societies which best fit them (support localism).

[@ACM1PT95]

When you say America do you mean the US ?

[@bestany5517]

Not only is this content insightful, but Dr. Peterson gives a masterful example of active listening, accurately paraphrasing, and clarifying.

[@canadianpsychologist]

His listening is far, far superior to the incompetent and biased Cathy Newman of Channel 4 News!

[@Tolohtony]

Where are the replies to this comment? It says there should be 2 replies.

[@401sFinest]

Masterclass

[@CerberusProject]

I saw the full bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest. He was saying he couldn't breath before they even pulled him from the car. He overdosed on something, or had some sort of panic induced respiratory failure. He was resisting the entire time, while yelling "I'm not resisting!"

[@salamjihad3449]

EXACTLY !! THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED RIGHT THERE AND OFFERED HIM SOME AIR ! WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THEY CANT BREATH THEN THEY CANT BREATHE!! THE POOR MR FLOYD WAS DENIED MEDICAL HELP

[@littleme3597]

Correct. Fentanyl FLOYD was already dying from all his drug use. His drug pimp, was sitting in his car. Nothing happened to the drug dealer. 3 times the amount of fentanyl in his system, that would normally killl a man. HE HAD THAT ON HIS TONGUE. The black culture wants to make it a racial thing. They DO, do, most of the crime. Change the culture.

[@angelozachos8777]

@@salamjihad3449 Yup 👍 And they should have given Floyd a sandwich too , in case Floyd was hungry … Offering to give Floyd a shoulder massage would have been a nice gesture by the cops , too ! Heck , the least those cops could have done is pay for them pack of cigarettes that Floyd tried to buy with a counterfeit $20 bill … am I right ? These cops are awful

[@salamjihad3449]

@@angelozachos8777 LOL EXACTLY !! THESE THUGS ARE GETTING THE ROYAL TREATMENT FROM THE BLM SNOWFLAKES !!

[@salamjihad3449]

@X vonPocalypse WHO TOLD YOU THAT?

[@nyChannel09]

"Well I listened to you, so thats a big help." Jordans way of speaking/interacting is just beautiful

[@QuietCastle]

Justice must be equally applied no matter what a person's characteristics are. We also can't ignore reality and actual statistics when talking about who is committing crimes and why they may have gone down that path in life. Society is so quick to yell "racism!" instead of acknowledging the truth and finding solutions to prevent more people from ending up in the same situation. Education and a solid support structure of family, friends and community matter most, no matter who you are.

[@mx2201]

Maybe we should stop making statistics taking into account non scientific classifications such as "race", because that assumes your skin color somehow affects your behavior as a person, and that's the definition of racism. If we made statistics according to length of the... hand, maybe we also would find out that "those longhanders are all criminals!"🙄

[@QuietCastle]

@@mx2201 Agreed. The left makes everything about specific categories like race to push their own agendas and divide us all further. Each person is their own self and we as a society need to treat people as individuals first and foremost instead of categorizing them into 1,000 different boxes and basing people solely on those checked boxes.

[@mx2201]

@@QuietCastle I am afraid it's not just "the left" who thinks it is reasonable to make statistics with race. I would say is just accepted as normal in USA. In europe I rarely see such statistics, although I am sure soon will copy the USA overlords, because we copy even their mistakes. 🙄

[@salamjihad3449]

EXACTLY !! I THINK MANY PEOPLE DONT KNOW THAT MORE WHITES ARE KILLED BY COPS THAN BLACKS ..

[@databae1]

So refreshing to hear intelligent discussion like this, thank you!

[@mikelisteral7863]

racism is a democrat conspiracy theory

[@randallanderson1632]

As long as we have different cultures, we will have social problems. It is true in the United States (and the West), just like it is true in Iraq, Israel, and anyplace else that has two cultures both with sizeable numbers. It is made all the worse when members of those cultures can be determined by skin color.

[@abdulahsan3121]

@Mitthenstein lmao what?! do you know how ignorant this take is? and counter to the reality of the modern west today, the west was way more peaceful (nationaly) when cultural hegemony was comman and if you think today we have less problem then before becouse we have more "mixed-culture" then you are delusional as hell and that true for every nation not just the west, you just butthurt because of your cringy worldview got disprove by today reality and you can't bring your self to admit that

[@clockpenalty]

@Mitthenstein I think you need to be specific there, or your point will be misconstrued. When you say "mixing cultures" it can either mean having multiple siloed cultures forced to share a physical space while not integrating with each other, or it can mean cultures freely exchanging with each other and blending, eventually becoming a rich hybrid culture. The first case is usually a ticking time bomb, while the second case is closer to what you describe: a rich culture that becomes stronger. For instance within what you would call "white America" are many very different and disparate European cultures that have successfully blended into a strong whole, despite histories of bloodshed and war on their home continent. However, due to deliberate practices of exclusion, there is a tension between "black" and "white" America which has deliberately been forced to remain separate and thus is more like the scenarios the OP was referring to.

[@mdjey2]

That is unfortunate. The skin colour is first thing people notice. No black man has said that they were enslaved by Anglo-Saxons or Spaniards. Had the crusaders been black, Baltic people would use that observation to describe crusaders as evil black people, but it wasn't the case, so Germanic it was.

[@randallanderson1632]

@@clockpenalty A "mixing of cultures" will become one culture. I think of early in American history, the mixing of German culture with Irish culture, for example. It has long since become one culture. In this country we currently have a segment of the population that rails against cultural appropriation. Other parts of the population have other sociological complaints specifically concerning what are perceived as negative cultural characteristics of others. How can that possibly be a healthy society?

[@randallanderson1632]

@@ootmaster1 Yes, it is called "assimilation". And it can be done by any two populations if the desire is sufficient. I do not know what you mean by "diluting the host population". The characteristics of the majority culture will be changed to some degree by the assimilation of minority cultures. For the good of society, everyone must accept at least some change.

[@randolphguerrero1960]

Thoughtful comments and insights from JP and Dr. Loury. I keep you both in prayer. Thank you.

[@purplemonkeydishwasher9818]

This whole conversation was so satisfying from start to finish. I started writing a comment on the main conversation only to notice it quickly turned into an essay so I deleted it lol. Suffice it to say, bravo gents.

[@Un1234l]

If you haven't noticed, we people here who gather on intellectual videos don't mind essays or long comments.

[@alvareo92]

Should’ve copied and pasted that essay on a Word document and kept working on it. I know Jordan would agree

[@cattysplat]

You just self censored yourself.

[@janbengston1348]

Drugs had a big part to do for the loss of life. 3 times lethal dose of fentanyl including other drugs.

[@Adam-ez8dw]

Can you please show the medical examination / autopsy report where it shows that George Floyd a 110kg male had 3x the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.

[@relaxingsounds5469]

I thought it was 10x

[@janbengston1348]

@@Adam-ez8dw I'll try,but with media taking facts down, I can't guarantee it.

[@magnanomac456]

@@relaxingsounds5469 nah those are the voices In your head, feeding your confirmation bias. Not to worry though, soon you'll have no head. Decapitation of a nation, ain't nothing worth more than that.

[@relaxingsounds5469]

@Mitthenstein I get that sarcasm is difficult to detect In a written comment section but holy crap, calm down. However now that you’ve revealed yourself I’d like to know what you find racist about questioning the extent to which drugs played a role in his death? Looking at the toxicology report it sure seems like he was likely already a dead man walking by the start of the encounter. Unfortunately for our society, It’s mindless virtue signaling and knee jerk attribution to racism like what you’ve displayed here that have helped to turn this case into an absolute cultural dumpster fire… the fallout of which we’re still grappling with to this day.

[@AN-jw2oe]

So happy to see Jordan Peterson and Glenn Loury talking together!!! Love you both!! ❤️

[@bluedawning22]

I live in a northern suburb of Minneapolis. The protests spread out and vandalism was prevalent. There was an ominous feeling permitting from my neighborhood. It felt as though I was living in a zombie apocalypse. The sense you get when a tornado is near and sirens are sounding, yeah… that’s it. Exactly. Stores being boarded up. No exposed glass. It was as if we were preparing for a hurricane. I work in Brooklyn Park MN where Daunte Wright was shot during a routine traffic stop by officer Kim Potter. It was not racially motivated but they made such the example of her. Horrible, horrible accident. All on video.

[@Brody6666]

He also overdosed on fentanyl. Left that important detail out

[@joshualovelace3375]

@Mitthenstein To prevent riots and violence to the jurors?

[@joshualovelace3375]

He also tested positive for Covid. I've heard it has some negative impacts on the respiratory system.

[@joshualovelace3375]

@Mitthenstein Hmmm, and Oj was innocent?

[@joshualovelace3375]

@Mitthenstein The relevance is that the justice system isn't perfect. Some innocent people go to jail, and some guilty people get off the hook. It sounded to me as if you were claiming that during the trial everybody did things just right and justice was served.

[@leonardodicaprio4561]

So impressed that people stand up for the guy who had been in prison for 9 times before he gets 40 and pointed a gun to a pregnant womans belly before

[@mrsmallpinky9041]

❤ your sarcasm

[@TheGahta]

Its the same people who put up Posters of a mass murderer because he is photogenic, ask someone what they know about Che Guevara and despair

[@rahn45]

He was a saint! (by their standards).

[@michaelj6392]

Sober almost 2 years now

[@thirionj]

On his way to church while helping an elderly woman cross the street. St. George

[@JupiterCamelz]

Man o man! This convo was beautiful!, I wish I had the level of knowledge these 2 guys have, hats off to Both of you Gentlemen! 🍾💯

[@neilcoates2356]

Thank you so much I wish we all could have discussions openly great job

[@DC-fu8wy]

I think it requires mentioning that Dr. Loury's synopsis of the protests in the beginning was woefully lacking. Lacking the murders at said protests. Sure some would say that is encompassed within the term "riot". However calling mob and individual murder of innocents, "rioting" is downplaying the severity of murder. Rioting is simply a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd. Id say multiple murders is a bit more than a violent disturbance of the peace. Keep in mind the "autonomous zones" that were the cause of many murders, started with a george floyd protest.

[@christophermosier3754]

Here's an idea..STOP BREAKING THE LAW!!

[@xlhits]

This is so spot on. Intelligent logical conversations are a must

[@garygreenfield5969]

I've watched Dr. Peterson use this analysis in other discussions, how low-resolution analysis doesn't really unpack the complexity of the situation. I completely agree with that. He has also emphatically stated that you can't *train* people out of their biases. I also largely agree with that, which means that even thoughtful dialogues such as this will do very little if anything to create the possibility that more people will be capable engaging in the depth of analysis required for high-resolution perspectives. A dramatic, transformational shift in consciousness in individuals is required for that to happen.

[@entertext5420]

Dont do ALL your drugs before talking to the police

[@Hunn1313]

"The attacker stabbed Majors several times in the chest, with one stab wound piercing the heart." Not some thing happened to some people...

[@borkguy]

But nothing to do with race!

[@chris432t6]

Thank you both!

[@nargly8208]

I hate that this conversation is so rare to see and so hard for people with much bigger platforms to have.

[@vexzusdragon8556]

In today's generation once someone invokes the racism card, you can only walk away there is no more discussion that can be made.

[@chilliecheesecake]

@Anya Wale Whoever programs you bot accounts really isn't that clever. I mean, almost 500 comments on Jordan Peterson's KZbin videos in just 3 months? That's not fooling anyone with half a brain lol.

[@maryshaffer8474]

Meghan Markle threatened Royal Family with races card, they folded she got million s and millions until they stood up to her. She played the card on Oprah and only the stupid believed.

[@AbdullahMikalRodriguez]

what a profound conversation... thank you both for your intellectual contributions.

[@evoxpop2088]

The Art of Comunication involves listening and not allowing our preconceived notions get in the way. We need more people like these two gentlemen. Thank you.

[@eoabcm-emancipationofablac6823]

One Of The Few People I Know Who Are More Interested In Solving Problems Instead Of Just Discussing Them✌🏾

[@Ola-zv2np]

Words of a wise man. We need more people like him. 🙂

[@joelonsdale]

Which one?

[@KajsaBernhardina]

@@joelonsdale both :)

[@joelonsdale]

@@KajsaBernhardina Aahh.... Words of a wise men... no... words of the wise mans... um...

[@ElizabethKautzmann]

Yet neither mentioned Tessa was 💯 innocent…

[@dracul3220]

@Dale Snoloje Ofc Dominik Tarczynski 😊

[@paulreid2223]

The lightning strike on the "mural" was really spectacular ..... almost a judgement call ( even for the "non- superstitious) ..

[@roslindale12]

I can never listen to Dr. Loury without being completely spellbound.

[@bobsmith5185]

Disparity in incarceration is caused by disparity in criminality

[@PowderMonkey4Life]

As well as disparity of single mother households

[@bobsmith5185]

@@Daniel_Lee_Forrest it isn’t socioeconomic disparity; it’s culture. Other groups of previously poor Americans have been able to improve their socioeconomic standing and haven’t stayed so violent for so long (or were never so violent).

[@olivesama]

Do you have numbers regarding criminality that you are referring to specifically?

[@olivesama]

@@bobsmith5185 I'm sorry, but this is wrong. Peterson himself has a video talking about the GINI coefficient, which is a measure of the material inequality that exists within any given geographic area. And he concurs that the GINI coefficient is the BEST predictor of violence in the social sciences. "Culture", on the other hand, does not at all have the same degree of measurable robustness.

[@bobsmith5185]

@@olivesama certain groups remain poor & violent because of their culture. And members of those groups frequently stay violent even if they somehow acquire wealth.

[@joedoe2672]

You may not want black on white crime to be processed racially but we need to call things by their proper name.

[@olivesama]

Far more black people live around white people than white people live around black people. This is a consequence of sheer numbers. So I'm not sure why that, in and of itself, should be ominous unless you're ascribing a racial motive to all crimes where the people involved are of different races.

[@jimmymorris5321]

These two needs to do a daily podcast. I would listen every single day.

[@garretwithmore4642]

Having this discussion is amazing. Im open to ideas with this man

[@harleyseelbinder]

People all over the world would give up their lives for their children to live in America, yet some Americans are constantly saying that America is a terrible place. We need some perspective.

[@gugy68]

It’s ok to criticize your own country if your intention is to make it better. I would call it patriotism. Way better than close your eyes to all the flaws and accept it as is.

[@maxwelljacobfreedom]

Some?

[@maxwelljacobfreedom]

@@gugy68 you are correct. Like everything there is a balance. Burning down your own community is a bad start

[@Zeberai]

It is a terrible place for some. How is that an inconsistency? It doesn't have to be worse than every other place for the suffering of people in your own country to matter.

[@gugy68]

@@valcaron sure, like I said earlier, if your intention is to make it better I am all for protests but unfortunately there are individuals that want just to create chaos. So it’s important t make this distinction.

[@pauliewalsh6875]

This was one of my favourite interviews and to observe Peterson don the Clinical psychologist hat (to carefully and non judgementally listen Dr Lourys personal story of chaotic addiction), was like watching a little bit of his Rogerian training take a momentary and welcomed surface!

[@KM-pq7sr]

Very important points being made here. Sadly you'll never see a conversation like this on CNN.

[@darladrury76]

Jordan Peterson in my life I didn't know how to get emotional maturity. I couldn't leave an abussive relationship. I couldn't stop self medication. Your the only one who's made life make sense and help to heal me and I've always adored my children more than life itself but you have improved my mothering and hopefully saved my life. Before there were a million things I wanted to do but the feeling whats the point would not go away. I got away from the abuse I experienced since tge day I was born and pray I still have time to be who I know I can. And to help others out of the hell I was in. Thank you Jordan.

[@YahwehJesus777]

It's so sad when the people who think they are helping the world are hurting it most

[@adoe2305]

I don't think they think they're helping. They know they're out for themselves

[@abepresume8132]

You're literally describing yt supremacy, "manifest destiny", and the last 500 years.

[@magnanomac456]

YT Supremacy did this, the pendulum went up, but a wrecking ball will come down. Fk America, may it fall and shatter into a billion pieces.And may all those that were complicit in its atrocities despair and suffer.

[@chilliecheesecake]

@@abepresume8132 Self-hating whites should relieve the planet of their own existence.

[@janbengston1348]

IT'S too bad that criminals, in the act of breaking laws are the modern day heroes. IF compliance saves your life, why isn't that a talking point.

[@AT-mu6ov]

He was arrested for a crime he hadn’t committed and was a victim of excessive and needless force.

[@PreppinShootinLivin]

@@AT-mu6ov You didn't watch the full 30 minute video, did you.....

[@1ber132]

@@PreppinShootinLivin I did, it was for sure excessive and needless force, the man was anxious, nervous, he needed a break that the officers refused to give him before entering the car, so one if them irresponsibly forced him in, the worst thing you can do to a claustrophobic person, so he tried to squirm out, something thw officers took act of possible hostility towards them instead of trying to understand the reason

[@1ber132]

He wasn't a corfirmed criminal, and not seen as a hero, but a victim of racist prejudice

[@AT-mu6ov]

@@PreppinShootinLivin I watched the 2 hour podcast. My statement stands. What is your point ?

[@siraftel7915]

thanks for the lesson sir. :) You have to address each problem in more detail, to find a better solution.

[@Tredenix]

5:13 - 5:46 A very good example of summarising the other person's point in a way they're satisfied with it!

[@KajsaBernhardina]

Tessa Mayors right? The girl who was murdered? It’s so strange to me how Floyd has been treated like a hero but Tessa’s name never gets mentioned. Someone explain?

[@umiluv]

The media loves to stoke racial divide in our country because if we unite as a people we can stop the psychos at the top from destroying our country for their own personal gain. They need us divided and they’ll do it on every level they can.

[@umiluv]

@@ootmaster1 - it’s to divide and conquer. A distracted and divided populace is easier to control. Don’t take the bait.

[@umiluv]

I’ll also add that there was a young white man (Tony Timpa) who was killed by police officers in the same way where he was suffocated to death and the cops were mocking him. There was no racial discrepancy between the man and the officers so the news doesn’t care.

[@RJ-we1me]

@@ootmaster1 a cop didn't kneel on her neck.......

[@latinhero1818]

@@umiluv And who owns the media? Who is trying to set black against white? Who is using black people as proxy warriors?

[@Daledondale193]

Necessary conversation. Greetings from Spain

[@locovaldezakarichardmccart843]

Hola, Espania

[@dougdunlap5889]

great conversation

[@coffeewoffee]

I am loving the conversations Jordan is having lately. I am learning a lot and I like that its taking steps away from the stereotypical narratives that are often pushed on us. Great work, although I can imagine Jordan saying "these are very complex issues" haha.

[@mymusic8414]

I enjoy Jordan's honesty. These issues are extremely complex. These problems continue to persist because most people do not think these things thru when they come up with simple solutions that end up being counter productive.....defund the police is a great example of a solution that was not well thought out and very counter productive.

[@coffeewoffee]

@@mymusic8414 Forgive me but that made me laugh a little because defunding the police is ridiculous considering that as a society we will always need to rely on the police. There are many services and work that they do 24/7 that we take for granted. It was short sighted and I wouldn't expect people who are emotionally charged to come up with better solutions. However, people are frustrated and the only way they were getting heard was through violent means unfortunately. You can't impose strict measures and not expect lash back. There's a reason we are called a "civil" society. It means we deal with our problems in an orderly manner and every person before the law is equal. That's where our problem lies is that we are not being treated equally before the law and therefore you will have civil unrest and violent uprising. That hasn't changed because greed has only grown as the power of the people is almost non existent and the law is not on their side anymore. It's already bought out by corporations and judges and lawmakers can do whatever their hearts desire. Its not "complex" no one wants to out rightly say that so they don't get penalized by the "powers that be" nowadays.

[@mymusic8414]

@@coffeewoffee what you outlined is straight forward, now what's the solution? Identifying the problems aren't all that complex, finding a realistic, workable solution is quite complexed.

[@coffeewoffee]

@@mymusic8414 I agree with most of what you are saying and here is how I differ. I agree that identifying the problem (in my paragraph above) is straight forward. However, I think that identifying the issues are equally as straightforward. When it comes to implementation of those solutions is straightforward. Where the complexity lies is when you deal with humans because increasingly human beings have gotten better a lying, manipulation and deception. Technology although it was meant to help and does also significantly compounds the human complexity because now human beings can without impunity achieve their ends not matter the means through technology or law whatever. The point I'm trying to make is social media as well as technology makes it so easy to alter the outcome that with a little bit of knowledge and tweaking etc It is such a big problem that even media can't do much about it, ex. elections lol. When you add adults and children who have no concept of morality or care for how their actions will affect other humans or another possibility is that they were never taught those things, etc. To sum up problem + solution = implementation is a simple formula. However, the work it will take to correct the monster we've created is a social moral obligation which you probably already guess is already a very daunting task for those who are already probably burnt out. Alas it is still worth positing to the younger generation and a place where our resources will be well spent if we want some sense of order. What do you think?

[@mymusic8414]

@@coffeewoffee I think you just proved dr Peterson right,

[@a.macdonald4877]

When he talked about prison reform, I tend to agree with him...I watched Pastor Art Pawlowski's interview last month with Rebel news and the treatment he received during his 50 days of incarceration(for practicing the essential service of Mass), and the treatment and drug access he witnessed during that time(he believed that although it was the hardest trial in his life, he believes God had a purpose for him there) to help in some way in reforming the prison system. The terrible treatment that alot of prisoners receive hardens them more and when they do finally get out into society they will reoffend.

[@bubbag8895]

Don't be foolish

[@a.macdonald4877]

@@bubbag8895 that's quite glib, care to expand?

[@RockHudrock]

Love you, JP! 🇨🇦🇺🇸 i’m so glad to have you back, and so glad you remain undaunted and willing to take on the most dangerous subjects imaginable.

[@billyumbraskey8135]

until you mention jews

[@heatherberlett6511]

Like this? Find and listen to the entire conversation! Absolutely wonderful! 🙏💞🇺🇸

[@mariatee8124]

May 4 '22(26)...yes for us who still jamming below some posts ..I will try to write a bit more in future ..if I can ...(Thanks Anka Maba here for your post )...I shift myself since..to my works for this month ..and integrates some music..this is piece I found for the first time ,it's tittle is ''Quedate'' ..it's Spanish song I found as someone ..small gathering. here on You tube...with just two guitar..have no idea what is translation ..but this is the way we do ..when it comes to song ...it is usually very small intimate gathering to do fine singing . gathering around table ..and than it does takes some virtue.. and culturally it is ..way of not only passing traditions but ...it's way we convey healing ..that level of expression ..with this second language...I get very tiered when overexposed ..languages that restore my balance on sound level are Italian and Spanish although I don't speak Spanish..this song has wonderful melody of hold on composition level...it just ..feel like that time is even better for not even understand what lyrics are ..to have that sense of brake time ...thanks ..by.....

[@Ninjam0nkey42]

Thank you, Jordan. High resolution point: Jordan Peterson and his talks.

[@johnnk3256]

I think the incarceration rates are a reflection of culture. African-Americam culture, to be specific. People usually disregard this as an alt-right talking point. But recently, I've been reading this book called Black Rednecks and White Liberals written by Thomas Sowell. I think he makes a compelling case. Didn't expect that in the least. The man has done his research, but no one us taking that seriously. Mr Jordan, if by some chance you're reading this. Please, invite Dr Sowell to your podcast. I think you two should have a real discussion.

[@SeraphsWitness]

YES to all of this. Sowell is excellent.

[@SeraphsWitness]

@@computer_janitor He is taken seriously. Basic Economics is required reading in many universities. Why would you say he's not taken seriously in academia? He's only not taken seriously by leftist media, for obvious reasons.

[@SeraphsWitness]

@Mitthenstein nobody said anything about hidden. And he's certainly not neoliberal. I never hear any detractors of Sowell actually offer any evidence, let alone an actual argument. I wonder why.

[@joshualovelace3375]

Jordan has reached out. Unfortunately Sowell is too old and has retired from public discourse.

[@epone3488]

"Separation of concerns". It behoves us to look at each concern in isolation there by getting a "high resolution understanding". Yet there are also complexities involved in teasing out the parts/concerns and also a issue of complexity (i.e. many issues multiplies the issues and gives rise to emergent issues/concerns which arise from the interaction/interleaving of the concerns in the problem space). Unfortunately the human brain requires training to even approach a treatment/resolution of this magnitude and this is not even management of truly complex problems aka "wicked-problems".

[@Z3n05p4c3]

Damn this is powerful. Glenn Loury and John Mcwhorter are both amazing intellects and should be much more popular than they are.

[@GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx]

Can we just use sentencing guidelines for the punishment so that the penalty fits the crime? If someone commits murder and has a long rap sheet then they are a threat to society and should be incarcerated. It is very little comfort to the future victims if they were given leniency when leniency was not called for. Race, religion and cultural background should not be factors in sentencing. Is this really that hard to put in proper perspective?

[@GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx]

@@adoe2305 That made me laugh because it is probably as much true as it is ridiculous. Amazing times we live in

[@mas2526]

Way to gentlemen... Simply awesome like a Boss 💪🏾🙏🏾💪🏾

[@rogerflack415]

Really heartfelt input from Dr Glenn Loury. I think anyone who has the wisdom to see the bigger picture during these times is very, very welcome.

[@kentborges5114]

SO MANY TIMES I HAVE SAID AND WILL CONTINUE TO SAY, "THANK GOD FOR JORDAN PETERSON" !

[@PowderMonkey4Life]

“We” didn’t make George Kirby’s OD death about race, the lame stream media did

[@LqdSanity79]

I'd be happy to talk about the racial disparity in the incarceration rate, but it has to begin with a discussion about the racial disparity in those who commit crimes. Everybody knows to stay out of black neighborhoods, but I've never once felt unsafe even in the poorest of white neighborhoods. Why is that? Of course everybody knows the answer, but we're not allowed to say it out loud for fear of being called "racist." The longer we deny basic facts, the longer the problem will persist.

[@rockyreed1245]

Who is everybody?

[@jimandrews1011]

@@rockyreed1245 🖐

[@M4nvrs]

Very well put!

[@Tolohtony]

When was the last a gang of "just 16 y.o." white kids "just tried to rob a black woman and ended up stabbing her to death." Maybe the bias media kept that story out of the headlines. I'm disappointed in Dr. Peterson on that one.

[@philippkonig6662]

Why is that? Genuinely curious as I am not american but would like to know why poor white neighbourhoods are supposedly safer than black.

[@timholstpetersen79]

"You have to do a high resolution....".... meaning: You have to consider as many aspects as possible... I'm a software developer, and I just love that statement. You have to take everything into account to make a qualified decision.

[@bertibear1300]

The video starts by this guy saying after George Floyd was killed by… Was he really killed ?

[@aprillmt3230]

Makes you wonder.

[@olivesama]

Yes. Yes he was.

[@bettinabarr9107]

Yes he was. The coroner ruled it a homicide even if Chauvin’s knee was not the ONLY factor.

[@stephk5255]

"JUST going to rob her... ended up killing her."

[@aprillmt3230]

Yeah, "what's her face", "don't remember". Guess it wasn't important to him.

[@magnanomac456]

@@aprillmt3230 nor to me, way more important people exist, and perish for far less. The life of one white girl, no matter how much yt imperialism tries, does not weigh heavily on my conscience.

[@aprillmt3230]

@@magnanomac456 then you've missed the point of this comment entirely.

[@p.h6605]

Great convo

[@gregarioussolitudinist5695]

Forty years ago i dropped out of college because a Sociology Professor was assigning stereotypical views to inner city America. Nobody has ever wanted to assign personal responsibility to those persons in those communities. It was crap then, and it is forty years more tragic now. I believed then that accepting personal responsibility for your own success was the only way to advance in this life. So far, I have been correct and They have continued to blame and be disappointed.

[@peterburman5193]

The media is largely to blame. They lied about Floyd. They didn't tell people that he was on tons of drugs. That's why his heart gave out. Doesn't necessarily justify kneeling on his neck, but he was resisting arrest and crazy high.

[@9ramthebuffs9]

yup the second he stepped out of the truck floyd was saying "I can't breathe". This is what happens when you OD on fentanyl. The cop was too dumb to recognize what was happening. Maybe the criminal could have survived and certainly the cop wouldn't have gone to prison if he had been smarter.

[@zitools]

Resisting arrest should count as an admission of guilt.

[@dezertson2011]

The media are largely to blame for almost every problem we have. Then, once you find out they are colluding as a larger organization with the government and the largest tech corporations we have in the country, combined with a president who it couldn’t be more clear isn’t running anything, we have a serious, existential problem as a free society.

[@brianmarshall1762]

@@zitools don’t know about that. A person shouldn’t resist arrest, but an innocent person may feel that they shouldn’t be arrested and resist as much as a guilty person. There has been many people convicted for resisting arrest that was not charged for anything else, but I would agree that it does make you look guilty if you do resist arrest.

[@cjay2]

I saw the security cam vids in the store before he left. He was flying on some bad drug all during the vids. No one knows what killed that druggee.

[@RetroQueenGamer]

I like how this man knows math, its refreshing to see someone actually understand the term minority without a racial bias to it.

[@mariatee8124]

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[@dvoo175]

Jordan Peterson 2024. How did you just unpack his feelings in that way? Completely astounded! I would LOVE if you took a moment one of these days to share information on how enhance listening skills. This is truly a great clip. Thank you!

[@davidalexander1177]

After George Floyd died from the massive amount of drugs he took is what you meant to say.

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

Don't you think the knee on his neck could have been a contributing factor?

[@davidalexander1177]

@@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy Considering he said that he couldn't breathe repeatedly before being put on the ground, whilst completely untouched? That he had a multiple times lethal dose of fentanyl in his system? And that multiple people have demonstrated repeatedly that position does not stop you from breathing?... It would be such a small factor that it isn't worth talking about.

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

@@davidalexander1177, Aren't you capable of a nuanced position?

[@Fozzimo]

@@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy how is incorrectly stating facts more nuanced? You know this was floyds second time OD'ing during arrest. The medics were just late by a couple minutes this time

[@davidalexander1177]

@@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy I am capable of a balanced position, it's just that the overwhelming majority of the evidence is clear. But I directly answered your point, why haven't you responded to a single point made? It's apparent that you only want nuanced positions from others. And by 'nuanced' you mean agree with your position and ignore the mountain of facts.