Psychedelic Science | Dr. Dennis McKenna | EP 299

[@wpahp]

Nice to see Jordan mainly listening, lets Dennis really expand on some ideas.

[@timr3621]

Nice to see you here, Peter :)

[@Earthad23]

Good videos

[@VeiledFlameAlchemist]

@@timr3621 Came here to say this

[@TheMonteCarlo]

oh hey whaddup! one of my fave channels and discords

[@sweetbean9218]

That's what J P is trained to do. Listen so he can find points for expansion.

[@georgewilliams1062]

Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.

[@zoeywinston6826]

Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here

[@Jerryberger9235]

LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."

[@sarahh321]

@@zoeywinston6826 [Myco_tray] Got psychs

[@zoeywinston6826]

@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?

[@sarahh321]

@@zoeywinston6826 Yes

[@jenniferrouse1737]

It's so nice to see Jordan Peterson in a position where he can have conversations instead of defending himself in conversations!

[@yngor123]

^this >

[@vedicapproach8105]

Unfortunately doctor Peterson has in some way “identified” with that Aries element which he referred to in this conversation. Energetically and emotionally I believe that he’s in a stuck place with the dark and difficult elements in life (not that I’m not btw).

[@Summitic]

Or listening to his boss Netanyahu

[@davidsvarrer8942]

He only defends himself in other conversations because of that he is such a kind spirit. Others would just have rejected these uncouth attacks. Others are attacking Jordan Peterson because of the intense fear he induces in those who have no integrity, no commitment or no spirit (or all of them) in their lives. I too thank Mr. Peterson for his enormous work in producing these endlessly interesting philosophical, scientific, psychological and other videos. What a production. What a human being. Wow.

[@davidsvarrer8942]

@@vedicapproach8105 Argh that is too simplistic. But humorous admittedly... I see Jordan Peterson as an enlightenment. What you perceive is totally your own responsibility :-)

[@infantryblack]

So happy these two got to have a discussion. I listen to all his brother Terrance work before I did my 6 grams of mushrooms. I was on the verge of suicide after Iraq and Afghanistan left my mind broken and PTSD had me giving up. 2 years have passed and that was the best life saving decision of my life.

[@matrixmatico695]

Where did you get the shrooms??

[@alexkhuri3967]

Thank you very much for your service. I enjoy freedom and luxury every day because of the the sacrifices you, and so many others have made. This world is better with you in it.

[@eliasekstrom6660]

damn!. I would not expect a former military to try psychedelics. Sorry for being prejudiced. glad you made it through.

[@DanS1]

@@matrixmatico695 pick them

[@onewaynestreet]

@@eliasekstrom6660 understanding how bad Veterans are cared for in the aftermath of war, our adaptability leads many of us to care for ourselves in alternative ways. We just want to live productive lives and not have to just exist every moment with the memories that haunt us.

[@MickWolfActual]

Oh my GOD!! My life is finally complete! I’ve been waiting 44 years for this conversation! Thank you both so much!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@blacktopaz4500]

I couldn't have said it better myself 🔥🙏❤️

[@angelcandelaria6728]

Took the words outta my mouth brother

[@keystylebass]

Me too🎉

[@vincentsmith8328]

24:28 kinda like what they did in the Wuhan lab, eh?

[@Skillseboy1]

Impressive, since Jordan Peterson was a just a teenager 44 years ago

[@nateTheNomad23]

Psychedelics helped me survive the most isolated, deepest, and darkest days I've encountered, and has profoundly helped me to piece myself together and feel again.

[@abringering2164]

@Lucy Jackson do you have an email for them?

[@diji5071]

I need to feel again

[@528freq8]

Dennis You Are by no means a small part. Huge ripple effect. The world is blessed by your work and everyone around you.. including your brother. This is huge!

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

Hit up 👆 the handle. He ships 🍄💊🍫 🔌.....

[@184Dadada]

I first encountered "psychedelics" at the young age of 16. I was also introduced to "everything under the sun" at the same time. Life at that time was very overwhelming. I 100% contribute the natural experiences I had with the strength I acquired to disseminate the difference between "right and wrong". Over 20 years later... I'm so proud of the man I've become. A certain level of gratitude is directly aimed at said experiences.

[@michaelcherokee8906]

So as for your fourth sentence, I hate to tell you, but it didnt make any sort of sense. It had no grammatical or syntactical value. Having said that, if I assume you made the rather understandable mistakes of saying "contribute" when you meant "attribute" (an easy mistake) and "disseminate" when you meant "differentiate" (an easy spelling error), and substitute those more sensible words in, then it makes sense. Have I understood your meaning sufficiently?

[@chinese_bot]

@@michaelcherokee8906made sense to me, your just dumb probably it’s ok

[@Adam-the-rock-hound]

Very common experience!

[@Tacit_Tern]

Psychedelics legit saved my life after the military, and was the primary impetus that led me to seminary.

[@joeyyc8515]

That’s awesome bro, it definitely helped bring me closer to god

[@EvaLasta]

What happened in the military that messed you up so badly?

[@Tacit_Tern]

@@EvaLasta That's a bit personal. But i suppose it's mostly feeling ashamed that I was alive while those who were closer to me than family were dead, and feeling guilty for not being able to save them; going home to my loved ones, when the brothers in arms i loved.... couldn't go home to their own. The could've, would've, should've thinking was a caustic poison that i relived every moment, each single day, stuck in the past.... and missing the present. The alcohol wasn't helping the TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) much, either. I was an FMF Corpsman, btw. A combat medic. One night, a miracle really, a marine buddy of mine called me when i was in a bad way. He told me to put down a gun and wait for him, and that "Eating a mushroom is a heck of a lot healthier for the head, than a bullet". Basically, i went on a detox from society and technology for a while. It took a while, but I got right with myself and God; before getting sober, and going to seminary. I wouldn't say it's for everyone. But it's what worked for me. And it was better than the alternative.

[@Tacit_Tern]

@@joeyyc8515 I truly believe that shrooms are a sacrament. Terence McKenna has some amazing discussions about it being used by cultures throughout history.

[@terryshrk]

As a fellow Navy Veteran I want to thank you for your service as a FMF Sailor saving Marine lives. And as a person of faith I admire your attending Seminary to save souls ! Seems you were born to save people!

[@iambrianlevy]

Beautiful conversation. RIP Terence, one of the great thinkers of our time.

[@senseicorey9979]

We are so blessed to have so many hours of his lectures online

[@robertforte8319]

@@aWomanFreed that's very interesting. what makes you think he was "CIA"? i don't disagree. i'm just not sure. he was a friend of mine...

[@gabeouser3287]

@@aWomanFreed lol

[@senseicorey9979]

@@aWomanFreed nope. I could debunk that for you but it's not worth the time it would take

[@SerDunk]

Take that heroic dose! 😅

[@janithglichrist2994]

Don't forget to respect the mushrooms, Golden Teacher basically, they have some very powerful potential. I just did about 7g on 5/08/2023 and it went well actually but barely escaped a bad trip.

[@heatherldutrow1204]

It is absolutely beautiful how people talk so many things about psychedelic and magic mushrooms too .. Everyone focused on how magic mushrooms can change and also save lives . I haven't try it but I deep down I really what to try it .. just looking for a reliable source ..

[@rhysreid9302]

​@@heatherldutrow1204Psychedelics drugs should be used When people are in their right state of mind , alot of people abuse them ..

[@BenAnderson-mg4hu]

​@@rhysreid9302Not so hard , just find someone who sells it close to you

[@woodMicheal]

​@@rhysreid9302Don't really know how to get one . New to all this You got anyone who sells ?

[@janeb.burrow2418]

​@@woodMichealSure dr.jeffshroom

[@zeronothing000]

I have chills seeing you two having this conversation. Not for the faint of heart. It will break down the walls/box that we put ourselves in. Makes me incredibly happy this is happening right now.

[@psilocypher]

For the last five years I’ve imagined what it would have been like to hear Terence and JP have a conversation. This is the next best thing! I was so pleasantly surprised to see this video!

[@SiriProject]

Terence was pretty much against all Peterson stands by, including Christianism and Traditionalism. He was awesome.

[@psilocypher]

@@SiriProject I don’t think Peterson supports fundamental Christianity. He just claims that there is meaning and utility to be derived from the Christian stories. Also, he and Terence are both Jungians. It would have been interesting to hear them have a discussion.

[@nickelodeann]

@@psilocypher Agreed. Regardless of any ideological beliefs I think they could have nuanced and very interesting conversations

[@aliasofanalias7448]

​@@psilocypher I've had this debate about Peterson before. I don't see how people don't get that you can study religious texts without commiting to the belief. He's scared God exists, he said that himself, but he doesn't believe in God

[@truincanada]

Comparative religious studies. Degrees are offered in it. I recommend Joseph Campbells 'Masks of God' four volumes.😊

[@moniquesacks2953]

Psilocybin is an ancient and powerful medicine. It is amusing that “modern” medicine is only now trying to understand what Indigenous people have know for a millennia.

[@LievanosAguilar]

It does work you actually need to have a reason for doing it and a tangible one at that, then you feel it within you.

[@GentlemanLife-Beyotch]

They used it, they never claimed to “know” my friend.

[@qeev2n9kb2]

​@ElinaGrandePsychedelics have soooo many kinds of subjective effects/experiences on everyone at varying doses. If it works, it works. But I do agree that a stronger trip is definitely more effective than a microdose lmao

[@CAM3RoN11]

Don't talk shit please. Indigenous people used Psilocybin, but they didn't understand it. They did not have the technology or neuroscience knowledge to understand it.

[@Gaybraham.Lincoln]

The junkie talk thread

[@TheGoobsters]

Dr. McKenna was my professor in Minneapolis, and I joined his class partly because I had long known of his brother Terence but also because it was titled: People, Plants, and Drugs. Cool course about the long history of experimental uses of plants, focusing on long term health but also empirical first-hand testing per individual. He always struck me as open to any topic of conversation, even entertained an idea in my presentation that the burning bush in the bible is harmala bush, containing one of the ingredients necessary to have a dmt experience if mixed with acacia, another widely dispersed plant in the region who's wood was often used for bowls/containers. He also made a joke when I was describing dmt experiences, saying "I take it you have personal knowledge of this to describe it so well?" lol. Anyway, great to see him still doing great work for psychedelics and the welfare in general with that distinct voice of his.

[@mplscorrupt6125]

How was the class? How long? And did you learn a lot

[@TheGoobsters]

@@mplscorrupt6125 fantastic course, only one semester, all online unfortunately because I'm pretty sure he lived in Hawaii at the time for his Aveda duties, and he also has a farm that grows Ayahuasca ingredients I believe. I did meet up in person with a small group for several projects however and it was cool to see where their interests were, I gave one guy some acid tabs because he showed interest in it. I think we all zoomed like twice per week. The scientific subject matter was extremely dense yet somehow still approachable to outsiders of the botany field like myself (philosophy student). He was very open to alternative essay questions because of my lack of background which was very accommodating, but I also made sure to try to learn some botany and chemistry out of respect for the other students and the Professor. The other theme of the course was how society uses and reacts to plants, which is where I felt I excelled; the term used for that area of study is "ethnobotany". Dennis is a down to earth yet extremely learned and wise fellow, I'm glad to have (virtually) met him.

[@mplscorrupt6125]

@@TheGoobsters Thank you so much for your time I appreciate you life is full of beautiful journeys do you have anything you feel you have learned about yourself through your trips .

[@TheGoobsters]

@@mplscorrupt6125 hey sorry I took so long to see this. Thank you for asking. I wouldn't say I have anything particularly unique to add to the genre of trip reports, however I'd say I'm fairly resistant to, let's say, overly spiritual thinking. I tend to take all the experiences as alternative methods of taking information in through the senses and throughout the neurons, as opposed to taking on the strong feeling that it is information coming in from another dimension. Especially with DMT, that is a difficult sensation to avoid, but I take the dmt experience that so many relate to as a reflection of our deepest neural structures that we all share, not something exterior of us. Anyway, my main takeaway from psychedelics is epistemic in nature, namely that the certainty that people walk around with and spout every day is quite hilarious. If you took the time to display the lack of foundation and axioms underlying their utterances, their whole web of opinions would fall apart due to the sudden realization that they both rest upon very little base structure and are connected with a fairly weak adhesive. My main area of study is Philosophy, and I took psychedelics initially with the express goal of deleting all extraneous or unfounded certainty, a very draining yet enlightening process. I wouldn't recommend it necessarily, as I found I also may have deleted many social queue type information that has made me seem awkward because I have deemed many of the little micro-games to be petty or goofy, or just fail to notice them at all. However, it's allowed me to, in my estimation, create an epistemic web of axioms from the ground up that seem the most grounded in reality and truth. Of course, I don't forget my initial goal, and am always attacking this pyramid. But that's all I can really say for now, I think, other than that I am definitely more sensitive to bright light now lol.

[@siriusBhive]

Thank you JP for playing your part in bringing the best of us together

[@vincentsmith8328]

24:28 kinda like what they did in the Wuhan lab, eh?

[@embodiedconfidence]

Great way to put it

[@cjfredi]

Amen!

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

Hit up 👆 the handle. He ships 🍄💊🍫 🔌.....

[@Mr0rris0]

@@tinfoilhatter Montreal experiments stuff? You could be onto something hinfoiltatter

[@GregAnthonyHarris]

I’ve been hoping this interview would happen! Thanks for shining another light on the benefits of Psychedelics Dr Peterson 🙏

[@donnasherwood283]

you seriously need a life and some morals and ethics. OMIGOD

[@inwithsliminwithjim3416]

Cool story bro

[@donnasherwood283]

@@Yesica1993 i think that is exactly what he is doing and has been for years. Ditto his brother. He is a knowledgable botanist for certain. He is just some old hippie who could not give up the "high" times He is borderline coherent. I had a prof in the 70s who taught logic who sounded just like him. I guess we don't have enough drug addled people in the west i suppose. the ancient mezo americans used some of these in so called religious rituals. Just great to see they are being revived. we don't have any men like cortez in our time to put a stop to this. All I can say after the disgusting late 60s and 70s is i feel sick

[@gummo3873]

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[@connorgreenwell5731]

@@Yesica1993 I was going to give you a like, but dopamine is a drug, and we can't have that.

[@mooreboom2]

I’m pretty new to psychedelics. But everytime I’ve had the chance it’s been life altering. The way your ego steps aside and you see stuff for what it is. Coming out of it and retaining a lot of the info. This interview is only the second one I’ve listened to with Mr Petersen and I’m really glad this popped up.

[@thrashandanarchy]

Highly recommend checking out his series of lectures on the psychological significance of the biblical stories. It's what led me to psychedelics in the first place and I think its JBP at his best. It also made me deeply curious of other religions and the interplay between all of them and their concepts and foundations. Absolutely life changing.

[@chrisvir5271]

Listened in its entirety

[@timr3621]

I love that Jordan explores psychedelics with his podcast and thereby brings this topic more and more into view. Thank you!

[@Earthad23]

Agreed

[@gummo3873]

🙄😒Damn Scam Bots👉💩 🤖👈

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

Hit up 👆 the handle. He ships 🍄💊🍫 🔌.....

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

Psychedelics 🍄💊🍫🔌👆👆👆

[@adamsmith307]

The only way to explore this subject thoroughly is to partake.

[@ChrishBlake]

Just listened to the extended interview on DW+. I encourage anyone who loves Terrance and has interest in his autobiography (think True Hallucinations) to check it out because it was incredible and tragic. It was the context I needed to help me place the long hours I have spent listening to and thinking about Terrance into the proper place in my life because him and Ram Dass both led me to you Jordan. God bless the McKenna’s and this interview for helping me realize the time wave in my own heart is not to be taken lightly.

[@brokenwingbird2552]

Hello HELLO hello ... are you there?

[@operandexpanse]

Dennis is a legend. Him and Terence were integral partners in exploration. Dennis was normally the voice of reason for Terence but the pendulum occasionally swung very strongly the other way. Terence was a gift to humanity. He had the ability to fill people with such great awe and wonder about what the hell is going on here in this existence.

[@edzanjero353]

Not to mention a communicator on a par with Alan Watts.

[@jblay4415]

True hallucinations, read by the Terry Man himself was an awesome listen and read

[@faresal-ruwaili69]

As a pharmacist, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I rarely listen to a podcast in one setting but this definitely caught my attention. There is a significant need for further treatment in psychological disorders and perhaps ethno-pharmacology can provide some options. I look forward to reading your work doctor! I hope you know what you're doing can change so many lives to the better.

[@Stahlgewitter]

I agree very strongly. They are psychoactive to catch our attention. Whether there is intelligent design to the universe or not, plants which are good for the heart sometimes are shaped like a heart, or an ear or whatever. There are little markers all over the place for us to follow. Something as interesting as psychoactive mushrooms or ergot fungus making lsd-25 has to be researched more fully. I've never done or taken part in a study, but I've heard that microdoses of LSD can be incredibly fruitful for research into different psychological disorders, which we cannot deny are a serious issue intl the world today. It's not the guns, it's the people using them. Just as one example.

[@carolherring138]

I've never done any, but would pay to be in trial. I take no medication but could if I chose to see Dr, I haven't seen one in 20 years. Healthy physically but extremely mentally damaged. I manage well 90 percent of time. But I've seen documentaries on plants healing emotions etc, i. would really appreciate someone pointing me in,, correct,, direction. Never practiced meditation but considering Dr joe D. Stuff on that.. so much information, knowledge, coming so fast nowadays.

[@pastorbrianbanks]

Not if little pharma gets it's hands on it. Pharmakeeeeeaaaaa!

[@faresal-ruwaili69]

@@pastorbrianbanks We actually need pharmaceutical companies to pay attention to this. They can look into the composition of the plant, figure out the active ingredient, decide the proper dosage, and hopefully conduct several clinical trials to prove efficacy and safety. If successful and FDA approved, they can mass produce it to help millions of people!

[@jJust_NO_]

you dont want a mass psychosis. no...

[@williamwhitten7820]

This is too cool. I was a fan of Terrence McKenna for years. I even had a copy of his *TIMEWAVE ZERO* computer program -- gone now after many computer's throughout the years. I never had the opportunity to try ayahuasca. I have had many trips on LSD and Magic Mushrooms, and have been a life long pot smoker. People who have never experienced psychedelics have no idea of what it is really like, and how profound the experiences can be. *This conversation is so edifying and informative. I am glad so many have tuned in to view and listen.*

[@St.Calamity]

You're like me fr real

[@Free-SpokenMedia]

Do you plan on quitting weed? I think it's messing with my brain on a learning and memory level and I want to quit before having kids. Terence McKenna had a different mind. Dennis jokes about their hippy circles back in the 70s where they would pass joints around and Terence would start talking while the others are rendered speechless. We are the others. Terence was unique and often gave bad advice (when in doubt, double your dose). He was flawed in many ways like the rest of us, but he wasn't completely honest about psychedelics. Dennis has talked about it but not entirely. Apparently Terence had a bad mushroom trip and quit psychedelics while still repeating "double your dose". It was his "shtick" as he called it and he wasn't going to let a bad trip stop him. If true, he should have been honest about it. The advice he got from "the mushroom" wasn't always good either. He said the mushroom told him Westerners should have less children because their carbon footprint is 50 times more than someone's from India. Maybe some people agree with that but I think it's bad advice. His insights and ability to speak like that on weed was fascinating. I think stoned ape theory is cool but timewave theory was mostly nonsense. Dennis has told many stories which make Terence sound crazy, like wanting to create a kind of philosophers stone with his mind on really high doses of psilocybin mushrooms in the jungles of South America. It was deranged stuff about numerology which didn't make sense but being that high, I could totally see how you could fall for everything and nothing. I feel like I've heard almost everything Terence has said and I read 'Food of the Gods' but it's been many years since I listened to him. As I get older, I'm more afraid of doing psychedelics. Weed is an almost daily thing and like Graham Hancock, I feel like it's preventing me from actualizing myself in the real world. Are you entirely content with smoking weed every day? Or do you want to quit too?

[@williamwhitten7820]

@@Free-SpokenMedia I stopped smoking pot more than 10 years ago. My memory is top notch. I stopped smoking pot and cigarettes because I have asthma and it chokes me up to inhale smoke. My asthma is not a result of smoking, I was injured by rubber cement fumes while spray painting the full size prop of the neck for the giant "Freddy head" in one of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies. Rubber cement blended with colored acrylic paints are used for painting foam rubber props in special effects make-up. Kevin Yagher was an idiot for giving me the job and not supplying a proper filtered mask. I was a fool for not understanding the consequences.

[@williamwhitten7820]

@@Free-SpokenMediaI don't think TIMEWAVE ZERO was bullshit conceptually. If one looks back from today's perspective to December 21, 2012,, the end date of the TWZ postulation, it is apparent that a new global paradigm began to play out starting on September 11, 2021, and by December 21, 2012, a new global order and paradigm shift had taken place. The world did not end physically but a new world arose from the tragic and bizarre events from September 11, 2021 to December 21, 2012. philosophically speaking the old world did exhale its last breath on December 21, 2012. We seem to be on the brink of a new paradigm shift at this time as well. Crisis is upon us on too many fronts to count. Winter is coming.

[@nickmontanaro9638]

@@Free-SpokenMedia any benzodiazepines will stop a bad psychedelic trip in its tracks within 10 minutes. You really should already be aware of this. My advice is stop everything and educate yourself for God's sake this is your brain and body. People have had heart attacks during bad trips. NEVER take a psychedelic without a benzodiazepine on hand.

[@missmaryjo4439]

I did about 5 or 6 grams of mushrooms when I was 15 and i learned so much about myself and how my mind /perspective of the world was developed by my response to the world around me. I was out for 12 hours and that undeniably changed the way I see my life, my relationship with others, nature,& mostly the way i attach meaning in the world

[@kalista9962]

Needed a dictionary to follow Terrence, but his passion and knowledge was absolutely enthralling! Watching these two respected intellectuals is really a treat. Nature has many mysteries for us to unlock.

[@velvetjones8634]

Not being a jerk but did you mean Dennis?

[@kalista9962]

@@velvetjones8634 No, I meant his brother Terrence McKenna.

[@juliohasselhoff4887]

Seems like Terrence was a fraud who just stole the thunder and ideas from his genuinely intelligent brother

[@kuriosity4707]

@@velvetjones8634 I feel you bro. @kalista59 phrased this comment in a really stupid and obnoxious way

[@velvetjones8634]

@@kalista9962 Got it.

[@pauliewalsh6875]

Death in all of its wonderful glory was explained to me through a series of DMT encounters. I spent what seemed an eternity in a timeless void whereby I was basked in an energy that introduced itself as "the creator" in the glowing radiance of a remarkably bright light. When I explained that I did not think I would ever overcome the grief of my mother's sudden passing, this energy allowed a loving warmth embrace me with an entity I intuitively felt was the spiritual essence of a maternal figure. I was drawn into a sensation of complete release and I felt as though a part of me merged with this figure until I became fully immersed in what can only be described as an eternal love. My fear and anxiety about death subsided immediately and I remain unafraid and with an acceptance of the welcoming embrace that awaits when the biological journey comes to an end. I credit these experiences as possibly the most profound events I have ever known.

[@LILRHONDALEE]

That is beautiful...thank you for sharing that...it really hit home for me. Peace and love always. xo

[@RoyStuartwarpdrive]

The idea that your experience was merely a helpful illusion is in doubt.

[@j.clements2093]

Thanks for sharing your story.

[@jeffp3999]

The LoveLight heals all 🌞💖👁️

[@helenhayes4317]

I have been struggling to explain my recent ayahuasca experience and you described it perfectly. Thank you

[@firouz256]

I have had only one Ahyuhuasca experience. What began as a beautiful journey on the first evening ended up as a nightmare on the second night. I began having confusing visions and was barely able to stand, think or breathe. I have tried to find help and wanted to leave the session and the group. I was then literally paralyzed for hours both emotionally and physically. Then I began to develop heavy paranoia that lasted for a few days. I was the only one at the session with those issues. I saw an entity that was confirmed later by others as "The Mother". It was half plant-, half alien-like entity and it communicated with me. But only on the first night it was as described by others. The second night went off rail really quickly... My experience was still invaluable but left me puzzled and confused.

[@firouz256]

@Raul Cano EScuder What does that have to do with my comment?

[@soulswork1111]

How long ago was this experience? Give yourself time to integrate what transpired. There are people out there who specialize in psychedelic integration if needed. The tough experiences can often be the most transformative but it definitely takes time…. Be gentle with yourself ❤🌱❤️🌱❤

[@firouz256]

@@soulswork1111 I have had a near death experience that lasted for more than 4 hours. I was paralyzed and felt like every breath was the last breath. I have not seen my life flashing before my eyes as many say but I could see the "portal" to the other world. I have experienced full acceptance of everything that happened in my life and letting go in that process. I found out most of the things that happened to me (or the people that I have loved or met) do not matter when I die. I could only experience/feel which people would find it very difficult to cope with my death. I left the session and spent many hours wrapped in blankets outside just laying there - at 6 degrees below zero! I was well taken care of but that experience of near death was very rare everyone told me at the sharing.

[@jesperkjaer8268]

This may sound weird but you met a gatekeeper. The confusion and later nightmares shows that you probably didn't follow their rules. That's often due to the stuff you took. If you want to go further you need to train doing it without drugs of of any kind and try to behave differently. There are rules when you step beyond.

[@davidderidder2667]

@@jesperkjaer8268hi Jesper, can you elaborate on your “gatekeeper” comment? Ik wish to learn more about this. Is there literature you can advise?

[@iaincampbell5094]

Dr. Peterson is very much back to his best self in this interview, it's wonderful to witness after all he has been through in recent years.

[@Mmmmkaaay]

Oregon is only a few months away from beginning their psilocybin therapy program. It's going to change the world to have a safe, legal way for folks to get the help they need. I wish your brother Terrence was alive to see this day. ❤️

[@TheSoulWhisperer]

I'm not sure what he would say/think, as he so completely studied shamanic culture and understood it to the degree that he understood Western culture is far from it. Is the problem truly psychopathology or the culture? Jiddu Krishnamurti said that "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Perhaps enough people can engage the plant Spirits and experience an unfolding that exponentially awakens us to the sickness of the culture and we can effectively change it? But, I'm afraid that taking these powerful entheogenic Spirits within a set and setting of Western allopathic psychopathology modeling will only enslave the Spirits. Do they work for us, or do we work for them?

[@sigmamale4147]

@@TheSoulWhisperer this is an interesting take and i think there is truth to it, but what can we do about society ? You can't just change it like that

[@TheSoulWhisperer]

@@sigmamale4147 - perhaps not. But we can call it out and even resist it. One of the things Terence said that keeps returning to me in my own shamanic practice is "The shaman is a person who is able to transcend the dimensional confines of cultural existence. They know more than the people they serve. The people they serve are like children within the game of culture. Only the shaman knows that culture is a game. Everyone else takes it seriously. That's how he can do his magic." I know that sounds rather arrogant, but it's true. It's true not because of judgement of better, or more, but because there's a universality to shamanic experience that transcends culture completely. Terence understood the role of culture because he studied so many of them and I believe this gave him insights that helped him discern what was culture and what was real spiritual experience, real transformative power. Another thing he said: "If you keep yourself as the final arbiter you will be less susceptible to infection by cultural illusion." He spoke a lot about culture, and the sickness of Western culture. The death terror is one of the symptoms of this sickness. Going along this thought for.a brief diversion- I think this is where Dennis doesn't quite have it right. He talks about psilocybin working to help relieve anxiety of terminally ill patients by reminding them to be present to the moment. Actually, the soul science would say this: entheogenic journeys into the Spirit realms allow us to "practice" dying. They allow us the opportunity to die, to let go of the control afforded through our corporeal, rational materialist grasp on "reality", to leave our bodies and fall into the Spirit realm. This paves a way for dying, making it not some unknown and terrifying process, but offers a comfort in familiarity. The First People of the Americas often had 'death songs', similar to 'soul songs' that were unique to them and given early in life. They'd sing them in times of impending death and with the purpose of connecting to the journey into the Spirit realm. Returning to your inquiry about changing society- we can transcend it. And we can be mindful of it and call it out. I think psychedelics offer a potential for a shamanic Renaissance, and certainly people like Rak Razam and Daniel Pinchbeck are in the ranks with Terrence in that regard. But this is one path of shamanic expression. Like anything there's a potential for the Western model to consume it. The ouroborus trap. This is why I believe the answer is shamanism, and not specifically psychedelics. I don't practice entheogenic shamanism for several reasons. I respect it if it's practiced in integrity. But it's why I'm here, commenting and willing to discuss- when we raise the awareness about these things it brings a hope of evolving (which sometimes actually looks like regression) in a manner that corrects the course we're on as a culture. It starts with the individual. And a willingness to resist and even rise above the cultural status quo.

[@BooDamnHoo]

Better than Canada where they now actually encourage assisted suicide on people for being "old and infirm" or for soldiers suffering PTSD or just for teens feeling teenage angst and depression. One way chooses life and the other globalist side chooses to kill you.

[@Mmmmkaaay]

@@BooDamnHoo Oregon also allows assisted suicide. You do realize that there's quite a bit of hoops to jump through before a doctor will honor that request, right?

[@thomashand1316]

They talked about what actually happens when you do psychedelics.2 fundamental things have happened every time I have done psychedelics. I feel connected to all living things, no sense of separation. And the chatter in my thinking mind becomes very minimal. Those 2 things taken together create a very powerful experience, that I take with me to help deal with my sense of separation, in everyday life.

[@enlightenmentalhealth]

Psychedelics are popular in Australia for people who have treatment resistant conditions, and thus I left the military after 16 years to set up Enlighten Mental Health to support people who are using these substances recreationally. We offer psychedelic integration and harm reduction services in Australia right now and are veteran owned and operated. For those who may not be aware, ket is an approved treatment for DVA clients with PTSD and depression. Psychedelics may be a catalyst for change, but there are no short cuts. You’ve still got to do the hard work.

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

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[@Skippyx]

Cool, do you have a website? /what is your outreach platform

[@AlistairStevenson]

Thanks for setting up a safe space for people to explore these options.

[@mahmoudnafaa4030]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for all these discussions with people who have different points of view. It's a form of genuine communicational democracy, to give each and everyone a chance to discuss and advance their point of view without constraint.

[@patriciastevens7745]

Many years now after a spiritual awakening...many things that I experienced were very hard to come to terms with once re-engaged into what I referred to as mundane reality. You have explained what I experienced Dr McKenna, in a simpler framework, which I really appreciate! No psychotropic were involved, but...from my own experience to have used drugs would have complicated it! My experience intensified for six months and caused a mental and emotional breakdown and affected all my sensory and olfactory processes as well as the enormous amount of data that seemed to be downloaded into me! I was aware of many things that before escaped my brains ability to take in! I experienced "out of body" and interdimensional shifting.However I did not encounter any entities but internally I was guided to books and to things such as multivitamins as well as a change in diet! From the start, the awareness that this was a spiritual event was strong!

[@lesfernandez3947]

Sounds like a dark night of the soul, my friend. There’s a bunch of resources out there but definitely looking into mystics who coined this term - St. John of the cross & I believe Theresa Avila would be beneficial to you ✨🙏🏽

[@RobertStubbs]

As someone who has devoured every lecture Terence did I always thought it would be an brilliant conversation with JP if he was still around today but this has to be the next best thing

[@queenieqt2033]

Same plus you can hear terence in his brothers voice

[@edwassermann8368]

I don't think T would have agreed to do an interview with Peterson.

[@queenieqt2033]

@@edwassermann8368 i think he would. JP is an advocate of psychedelics.

[@RobertStubbs]

@@edwassermann8368 yeah he probably wouldn’t tbf! Especially all these included adverts

[@aliasofanalias7448]

@@edwassermann8368 Why not? He was a seeker of knowledge and understsnding just as Peterson is

[@slowstone8509]

Welcome to the Psychedelic Renaissance 💛 This is the kernel of how we heal the world, and adjust course through our glorious non-linear path through entropy.

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[@asimplenight8220]

Interesting how disgusting weasels always corrupt interesting comments like yours with their bs investments.

[@codyj07161989]

This was one of my favorite podcasts I have ever seen. I do hope you have him back. Thank you both!

[@AFringedGentianToEnnien]

I was just thinking, Dr. Peterson, in one of your Genesis lectures, you read aloud an unsigned letter from a person who had a vision of you whilst using the ayahuasca. I have chills when I realize that vision has since been fulfilled with regard to you. You have an extraordinary role to play in this world.

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

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[@senseicorey9979]

We are so blessed to have so many hours of Terences lectures online

[@senseicorey9979]

Sounds illegal

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

I feel the same about Alan Watts lectures on KZbin - I give thanks for them as often as I can remember to.

[@AnneAndersonFoxiepaws]

My sister and I were a pair of real psychonauts in the 70s and 80s and we used to think, as you do about trips and stuff, that its really something you should do when youre young. I think I was 13 when I first took LSD. During our talks we used to speculate on how our dad would react to acid and through lots of such discussions we thought that if you didnt do it in your teens or early 20s, it might just be so upsetting to someone grounded in reality, that it may be damaging. Funnily enough we never thought this about our mum, who never grew up and from where we get our witchyness, she would probably overact the onset of a trip then, she would probably ride it out like we did. We both loved tripping and we both encounter synesthesia, me to a greater extent but my sister and her friends always wamted me to be with them whilst tripping as I am good at grounding myself and directing trips towards the good. I still think adults who have never experienced it would have a much harder time than adolescents tripping for the first time due to the elasticity of the child like brain.

[@buffy_animator_illustrator]

It means a lot to me that these discussions are available as they are. Thank you.

[@buffy_animator_illustrator]

@@tinfoilhatter I love that two men of science and psychology so openly explore "beliefs" more than "knowings" about a subject matter that was essentially outlawed in the western world 50 years ago.

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[@knallpistol]

How I wish his brother Terence was alive. Watched all his content on KZbin. Well worth a listen. Excited to hear this one out!

[@Kyle_Sherrington]

Terence McKenna and JP hashing it out, one can only imagine......

[@fyb3rotik]

@@sinsemilla9876 Dennis has directly said this wasn’t true. But who knows

[@partickaljamested5146]

Dennis is a true kind soul. Absolute privilege to hear these 2.

[@henrys2403]

Dr. Peterson your interviews around psychedelics are some of the best out there. A great companion to this is the interview with Roland Griffith.

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[@justinfinch2458]

Also love that this discussion is being brought into view for the daily wire, and to see nothing but 100s of positive comments, this is a much needed discussion in these perilious times

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[@ChickenWings103]

Psychedelics helped me, and it saddens me that its use is still such a taboo subject Thanks for talking about it, JP

[@Earthad23]

The Object is nothing without the subject

[@keirongillespie6913]

@@tinfoilhatter on the contrary(at least with psilocybin) if you have any tendency towards psychosis, it's not a good idea to use them. Otherwise, they aren't particularly toxic. A bad trip can be harrowing but even those can teach the person something.

[@9879SigmundS]

Hate to bring up politics, but hope you see how government made it taboo and has, for at least 50 years, sabotaged all the good psychedelics would have brought people. Take just one area - alcoholism. These drugs would have resulted in a reduction of at least 50%, probably more. And there are people who still want to give money, guns, and bullets to bureaucrats so they can impose their views on others. People are stupid.

[@keirongillespie6913]

@@tinfoilhatter I would recommend a tripsitter especially for your first time for most people. I trip alone and find that to be better for me.

[@vanessavalentin3788]

Ask all new agers what they use to tap into the spiritual realm. Ask them how they end up contacting demons and ask them how they got rid of them.

[@AngelMarxYT]

Wow. I had wondered if you two would ever sit down for a talk and here it is.. I'm truly grateful for this one.

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[@adamsmith307]

They should sit down and take a trip together. Imagine JP the shaman! Wow. Just wow.

[@waxon2]

I like how much space Jordan Peterson gives to Dennis McKenna to answer the questions. Too often the interviewers continually interrupt the interviewee.

[@OrwellTruth1984]

I'm so excited for this!!! Just had a dopamine boost seeing Dennis & JP Interview is out. Wow. What a wonderful world - we are actually able to see it. Love you all.

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[@TheDMTLover]

Excellent talk. Bravo Mr. Peterson for opening this dialog. Thanks to Dennis for being Dennis.

[@iammaxhammer]

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS. Jordan is the only speaker who can match Terence's eloquence. Would be interesting to have heard Terence's perspective on the "dominator culture" today taking into consideration Peterson's perspective on men's and women's roles in society. I am sure they would have had a beautiful civil discussion. EDIT: My point was, after listening to Terence since 2007, I was always seeking to find someone even remotely close to having his level of eloquence. The moment I first hear Jordan in 2016, I was blown away. Both great thinkers.

[@zadebasil3033]

I'm sorry but Peterson is nowhere near Terence's level of eloquence and lucidity.

[@iammaxhammer]

@@zadebasil3033 I actually agree with you. But he's better with words than 99% of modern English speakers.

[@LilaSilk]

Thank you gentlemen for this conversation. It would be also interesting to research what our European ancestors knew about medicinal properties of plants native to their country. My Italian great grandmother in the late 1800 was invited all over Europe for her chiro-homeopathic healing methods. Her pharmacy was her backyard. There's so much knowledge we could tap into if we were interested.

[@murkartik]

wow do you have much in the wAy of records, artefacts, etc? sounds amazing!

[@stevecanine]

greedy pharmaceutical companies.

[@murza25]

HIs brother saved me from a life of mundane nonsense, My life has been filled with pure magick, and its all thanks to the mckenna brothers, After having certain experiences , life is never the same again

[@playlistaccount]

Crazy this, JBP was the next biggest impact on me since the great Terence, Dennis’s older brother who sadly passed. this almost feels like a spiritual full circle. I always felt you carried on the mantle after terence, obviously not in the field of psychedelics (those who know terence will know he was far beyond just that of psychedelic exploration and education) but more in my own personal quest for knowledge and understanding. You and terence mckenna are like the ultimate keys an explorative mind can have in the early internet age. Thanks for this

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[@BanterrClaus]

Same here bro! 1)Terrence McKenna 2) JBP 3)George Orwell In that order, for influences on my person search of meaning

[@chillsjiujitsu]

Very well put, I have had a very similar progression of interests as well.

[@lessmore444]

Everything Dennis is sharing here is fuelling my confirmation biases from personal experience. Most importantly maintaining humility with being aware of absolutely how little we actually know & how our brains filter out SO MUCH in order for us to function. What we glimpse in the void beyond the veil via a psychedelic catalyst can’t be completely retained nor unseen. Great conversation gents, thanks for this.

[@LittleSeasonist]

I cherish Jordan, truly. To speak with such varied guests, truly priceless. Get where you can get

[@EnterMyHorizons]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for your endless journey to finding the knowledge and bringing it to great discussion that's easily digestible

[@addisondraper6444]

Dennis, Your insights are invaluable. It has taken me a few years, but I have come to understand that your contributions to the understanding of psychedelic compounds and how they relate to our understanding of consciousness are just as, if not more, important than what we know from your late brother's contributions in this area. I am grateful for everything you have taught me. I can't wait to see how much humanity might learn from your efforts in Iquitos (a city that will always be close to my heart). I am hugely impressed by the depth and breadth of your knowledge about a subject that I believe is more important to understand than any other in terms of figuring out human beings. I think you are in a unique position because of your training to leverage the power of combining very different traditions of education and look at their similarities and differences in order to arrive at new insights about existing in this universe that few people have been positioned to do. There are several conversations I would like to have with you. I have already been told that we will have this opportunity and I am looking forward to it. - the only addison

[@disasterpiece652]

This conversation is amazing to watch and listen too. 3 years ago the first 6 months of COVID the universe put me in the position to meet my first ever LSD dealer, I was consuming fruit pastels with 2 drops on each, 10 for £75. I was in a serious depression and I am diagnosed with ADHD to be clear and so you know my brain obviously operates a bit differently as a standard. At the end of the 6 months I was getting annoyed with how much I was tripping, my first sign that something had changed mentally for me. I then started to realise I was asking myself certain questions about my behaviour and direction in life. I had 4 fruit pastels left in the fridge, one side of me said to take them all and be done with LSD, so I did and from there I took off into the most amazing night of my life on my own, the times before had been 1 or 2 fruit pastels where colour and wavy symbols would appear anywhere I looked, hair would seem like it's moving on its own and rolling a joint was the hardest thing ever to do. This time round having 4 I felt like I went back to being a baby, i forgot how my door worked, just looked at it like hmmmm, this is in the way of where I need to get to, what's that sticking out, oh it turns, holy shit there's the place I need to get too... Seems ridiculous at first I'll explain why it's not soon, the next thing that happened I went to the toilet and boom mirror right in my face, changing from young to old all the way to feline, and then I got trapped in my eye pupil, like I kept zooming into it and back out and back into it until I pulled away. I went back to my room and found myself looking into the deep blackness of my off TV, no shit this cloud of all colours began to form, and with that stars, planets, moons, black holes, I was forming a universe in my TV, until everything around it began to melt, at which point the thought popped into my head, I don't want to go, I didn't want to leave reality so I looked away and put my head into my bed cover, then looked around and everything was normal again. The door was me telling myself to stop shutting doors on myself in life, the faces changing was I believe how I've never really loved myself in the way that I should, I don't know why though, and seeing myself change but remaining myself is again a lesson in I am who I am, the eyeball trap is my inability to separate myself from my obsessions in research, the universe building was me telling myself I have the ability to create the life I want and everything melting around that universe was my subconscious reminding me that the whole thing was a trip and pulled me back to this reality where I always was and have been but I haven't been living like I am in this reality, like I think a lot of us do by creating bubbles that we feel safe in. The none love for myself I'm guessing comes from the lack of physical love me and my sister experienced as children and I have to subconsciously let that go and move on. You know what happened the next morning? I signed up to adult college and now I am about to finish my first year of university in Bath, a gift from me to myself cause it took 6 months for all the LSD to wear off and then I was like ahhhhh, so I'm in college and I'm doing well, it's almost like whatever LSD does when it wears off gives us back the steering wheel, so be careful please and don't do what I did with the 4 fruit pastels, I wasn't in the best place and I'm not sure about the chance this type of change will happen for everyone.

[@DavidGabriel-oc2jf]

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[@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied]

Don’t do anymore lsd. It is not the same.

[@SirDydimus86]

I love how when you blink EVERYTHING resets. How often we you dosing on 1-2 before doubling? Every time I ever took less than, say, 5 I would mainly get body high and the feeling I get on the comedown (buzzy, I can "see" your aura) would be constant. Or I wouldn't feel anything at all for hours until I hit breakthrough after consuming more. But that's also subjective. There was a month where I had had half a strip night before Columbus Day, 3 days later took 2 tabs and was just as gone, a week after that had 6 and it was just the buzziness.

[@fuckcensorship69]

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[@BJSal916]

Love Dennis McKenna his brother Terrence was amazing. Have been waiting for this interview for awhile!! So excited!!

[@mattyb808]

I whole heartedly believe Microdosing on a massive scale could save this world and courtly on every level… mentally, emotionally and spiritually etc. I see it starting to happen…

[@TheRealDealDominic]

I don't. Miracle drugs might be helpful in some instances, doesn't mean it will be a 1 shoe fits all fix

[@TheDuketexas04]

Lsd saved my life. Completely changed my outlook on life and I did a 180. Shortly after I had a child and my life feels so complete. Never imagined the decision I made that day would completely change my life forever.

[@jameskim3915]

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[@jameskim3915]

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[@tinaahl4597]

Hypnosis has always brought me to a different reality, that was much more clear and real than a dream, it was more like a type of virtual reality, or the exact same experience that people who have been pronounced clinically dead, then were revived or who have had a near death experience. I experience the similar experience under hypnosis every single time. I saw people that didn't talk, they loved me beyond any love that I have quite experienced in my life,they didn't speak, and they were at such peace that was somehow transmitted through me. yand were at such peace it was mostly a very strong feeling of love from everyone I encountered. I was on a boat, yet I was aware that I was in a chair and felt the chair moving exactly as I would experience if I was actually on the boat, but I wasn't on the boat, and at some point I felt afraid, then the chair disappeared and My body wasnt in the water, yet I could see it clearly and knew that I was there, and no longer in the chair. Once I had a similar experience but I only had a sense of my head, not the rest of my body,I couldn't feel it

[@vickielawson3114]

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[@dsports4753]

Super stoked. Huge fan of Dennis, a legend in the Psychedelic world

[@donnasherwood283]

why what in the name of heaven would attract you to such a degenerate

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[@dsports4753]

@@chris4814b he's always talked that way in every interview I've listened to.

[@donnasherwood283]

@@chris4814b he appears to and I hope he thinks it was worth it. he reminds me of a logic prof i had in the 70s whose brain was drug addled but he had the honest to admit its cause I frankly at time did not know how he managed that as drugs really had not been in much circulation at the time. he is a very knowledgable botanist degenerate alto i feel his "redoubtable" brother was worse.

[@Grottgreta]

We need more conversations like this about these magical substances. Very few people have come out of a trip, even a bad one, and not learned something fundamentally positive and life-changing. The demonization of psychedelics in our society has been a detriment to the psychological health of our entire species. Maybe that's why everything's so fucked up today.

[@mikeexits]

I remember when my friends and I were first learning about psychedelics after high school and talking about it very constructively (as much as 18-19 year olds can anyway), and a kid who was going to the same high school we went to said, and I quote, "LSD? That shit's like crack!" lmao.

[@mikeexits]

@raulcanoescuder3082 PSA: Do NOT trust ANYONE advertising psychedelics online. ALL of these Instagram "psych vendors" are fake without exception. And even if there are legit ones out there, you're better off assuming they're all fake anyway because the chances of a legit source being on there are so astronomically low. These things are illegal almost everywhere (and I'd imagine definitely illegal to sell casually even if you can buy it from a legal store) and regardless, you should only acquire them from trustworthy sources and always test as much and as thoroughly as possible. I know someone who knows someone who was hospitalized from taking 2 tabs of 25i NBOMe before going to work. Said his boss turned into a witch or something and was having very confusing visual effects, then ended up unconscious and foaming at the mouth. He very nearly died that day, but luckily survived.

[@RealStonedApe]

You are correct, this is why humanity has gone so completely insane. At least that's what I believe, as well as Terence McKenna. His book 'Food of the Gods', which is like my Bible, theorizes that human consciousness came about from the ingestion of psilocybin mushrooms by our primate ancestors over the course of 2 million years on the plains of Northern Africa. Then the Ice age hit and the mushrooms were gone, and we migrated out of Africa and then....history. Psilocybin mushrooms are what connected us to nature, to our mother earth. And history has been this nightmare in which we are trying to get back what was lost. Our connection to nature. Looking at the world through this lens I have found that everything just falls into place so perfectly. It sounds out there and crazy at first, yes. But give it some time, give it a chance, and I'm certain you'll see the same - puzzle pieces falling into place perfectly

[@shh120]

I can see you light-hearted and genuinely smiling. It is refreshing!

[@NeonXHalcyon]

The part on reality hallucination, I've never heard someone explain it so perfectly, amazing 👏

[@jamie3356]

Fantastic interaction. It was comforting to hear Dr McKenna expressing concepts that I've pondered on myself. I've used psychedelics a lot over the years, buying into the wishy-washy, pseudo-intellectual projections from "seasoned" trippers left me at a total dead end. It wasn't until I took a step back and formed my own narrative/beliefs surrounding psychedelics that I started to make real progress. It also led to a significant reduction in the amount of psychedelics I was consuming i.e. less is more. I like the analogy of "tripping", meaning: to go on a "trip" is to take a vacation, and you should always bring back some souvenirs - permanent and useful in your future endeavours.

[@eXeYeZ-404]

I feel better having listened to you two today. And I'm glad to see you in better health.

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[@76blackwidow]

Thank you very much! I can't get enough of these psychedelic related conversations by dr. Peterson!

[@isaacdogliani]

Jill Purce who’s married to Rupert Sheldrake , who Terrence was friends with, she does Family constellation Work and offers it to family’s , which using chanting , she helps the family heal through rifts and traumas , if I had the money , I’d pay for my whole family to do it. Convincing my family to all take psychedelics together , seems trickier yet more financially possible , we have had a singing drone harmony session that lasted 4 hours in an empty room in our house , which was spontaneous and sober . A very beutiful song was introduced to my self and an audience , in a very intimate gig of 40 people, the musician introduced the song by sharing with us that just that just a couple of days prior , a relative was lying on his death bed and the family were with him and they sung this song with him as he passed away , they had sung for a long period of time. Amazing union of the family in this blissful moment

[@Hollowsmith]

Dr. Peterson has VASTLY improved at not interrupting. He's of course a brilliant guy, but he did have the tendency to talk over and re-describe people's points when they're mid-sentence. But part of high intelligence is the ability to learn and improve approach, and now, he has far better self-discipline on that, and it's making him a top notch podcaster now.

[@stri8ted]

Absolutely. He has really stepped up his interviewing game. Much better "flow" to the conversations.

[@bobwilkinsonguitar6142]

I think he was already like that up until his near death, it's just taken the mind a bit to recover

[@garyquade1975]

I noticed that as well.

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

I think you can get into flow state simply by focusing on body sensations. Physical sensations, yes, but more specifically the physical sensations that occur as result of emotions, especially anxiety. Learn to focus on those. Welcome them. Not just when you're stressed, but at every moment (because they're always there). So do it now. Relax into your body and feel every sensation that emerges. Not "so they'll go away." No - feel them. For as long as you can focus on them. When you learn to welcome sensation, not to resist it, to feel it - that mental focus (coming back to sensation, as often as you can remember to) quiets the thinking mind and you realize that nearly all of life has been you resisting sensation to some degree. And as soon as you learn to feel anxiety, and to stop clenching against it, it transmutes to something else. Hope. Confidence. Playful energy. And thus, in turn, so do you.

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[@MoonlightDivinity]

100% !!! I went "deep" into feeling, holding space for myself after a friend's recent suicide..I cried for 2 days non stop, I felt all the feelings, I purged out energy (vomit) I danced, prayed and went deep into feeling. I came out the otherside in such a flow state I was between dimensions for a month straight.

[@Piperdreams]

I love listening to this guy and his brother Terrence and very grateful they’ve got together to have this illuminating discussion.

[@SakutoNoSAI]

As a Christian and former Psychonaut, I adore Terrence McKenna; this is a dream of an interview.

[@Sokofeather]

Christian psychonauts are an interest of mine and it seems a growing community. The Catholic mushroom communities in South America come to mind.

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[@TheCrazykid0416]

Absolutely crazy seeing a Peterson McKenna talk, this will be interesting

[@kensears5099]

About lucid dreams and "interviewing" your dream characters. That happened to me once. I was in the dream and realized it was a dream. Not long before this particular night I'd been reading a book about dreams in which the view was presented that all the characters in our dreams symbolize some aspect of ourselves (so a friendly dog in the dream is our affable side, an enemy in the dream is a side of ourselves we don't like, and so on). In this dream that night I remembered that book and decided to test it. I saw a little dome-like house on a hill (symbolizing my head/brain perhaps?) and went in, where there was a semi-circle of people sitting on chairs in the rotunda-ish room. Acting on the theory I'd read in that book, in real life, I proceeded to ask/tell each person one by one, "So you're me? And you're me? And you're me?" And each person nodded in the affirmative. Including a person or two whom I knew very well I didn't like very much in real life, and that the feeling was mutual, yet I recognized in the dream that these figures weren't THOSE people but rather projections of my own mind representing something that perhaps I didn't much like about myself.

[@DISASTROPHOLOGY]

These 2 men are so freaking smart. I found myself wanting to join in on the conversation. This was great❤ I’ve suffered from ptsd my whole life and at 36, doctors are finally taking it seriously instead of trying to force antidepressants down my throat. The entire way we look at mental health and treating it need to change. I’m not advocating giving everyone psychedelics, but I think there are many it could help.

[@clinthaley3748]

Dr's know that antidepressants are trash but they hand them out and it makes shit worse!

[@DISASTROPHOLOGY]

@@clinthaley3748 agreed. There is no way of knowing how a psych med will affect an individual, let alone a cocktail of them.

[@clinthaley3748]

@@DISASTROPHOLOGY I took psilocybin and some how it made me quit pharmaceuticals. Never felt better...

[@shanastroskyphazer8172]

Brilliant discussion. Very happy to see Dennis getting a little hyped on Jordans questions and ideas. He must be happy when people show interest in his slightly obscure but essential and amazing work. Thanks for helping me gain some valuable insights. I think for me psilocybin, dmt, mescaline feel a lot more earthier and organic with this amazing deep spiritual quality. Lsd can also be very hyper-interesting and I think also deeply spiritual at times. I think I remember Terrance saying something along the lines of a good trip takes practice, Almost like a meditation. Yes this resonates. Yes psychedelics are like defalt reality filter removers and or set amplifiers and set resetters. I really enjoy tripping in nature too . I also like combining lsd with tree meditation, I mean a special session like this only once every 3-6 months or something. I try to meditate wherever I can on most days. Psychedelics in my mind have definitely helped me with a lot of emotional issues. I strongly believe psychedelics have made me a happier , healthier, and smarter( more conscious or more aware) person to some degree. *One of the most beautiful mushroom trips I ever had was when my brother gave me his share of mushrooms that he picked that day before he left to go back to his family, So it was enough for 1 good dose, as we both did not find so many during that foraging session. I went back home alone to trip sitting next to the fire. Love ya bro ! I think his generosity that day made the experience a hundred times more amazing. Some tears of happiness for sure ! *It was so very beautiful being able to see my own life and issues from outside my own mind and see that I was blooming all along. And how little silly things and other things we worry about simply dont bother me so much anymore. But it's a work in progress Thanks guys keep going ! PS... I came up with a zen quote adaptation that you might like that rings very true for me. ~ Meditation is a lot like cleaning... Those that struggle with it, will benefit from it the most ~

[@godsguy13]

I totally agree with you bro

[@seanmcmonaglef.m.p4565]

The beginning when these two giants express gratitude to one another almost brought tears to my eyes❤

[@lukeblackman66]

Gay

[@Travis_Trauma]

Why would that cause you to cry? Are you depressed?

[@the2ndcoming135]

@@lukeblackman66 for the algo🧖🏽‍♂️

[@AMan-ti3dt]

That’s nice Sean, you are obviously in touch with your feeling and they are very valid and important for you life! Congratulations Sir. Not everyone has hit that level of maturity yet obviously.

[@karltooley7034]

Thank you both for allowing us to sit in on such an interesting conversation

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

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[@DVP89]

Well this truly is a gift, thank you to both for this eye-opening explorative conversation ❤️

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

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[@chuckles8595]

Microdosing Psilocybin has saved my life. 10 time combat veteran and I don’t think I’d be here without it

[@RaduP3]

This is like a corner of the internet where you can't find insanity. only curiosity, progress and humanity.

[@garysnow1475]

Well said.

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

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[@Thaimushroomdaddy]

This insightful conversation made my entire month ❤

[@PureCapsaicin]

I’ve done anything from lsd to dmt countless times, the common theme was that we are all God and the experiences were realer than life itself. After being deceived by these entities for years, at a Christian camp God proved himself to me through 3 different visions. First night was a cross on a hill with the most beautiful bright orange sunset you could ever imagine, next night an infinite array of crosses rippling by that I felt symbolized all my sins that were forgiven, and the final one I won’t even mention but it was beautiful and the craziest of them all. I went from deceiving others as I had been deceived, to now a full on believer in Christ and I wish to spread the truth. Anyone who questions the existence of God must first have faith, that’s when he will prove himself to you.

[@pattyorourke8068]

What a treat, to come home from a long day at work and find this excellent interview! Thank you!

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

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[@skykn1ght78]

Wow! I’m so excited to see that this interview happened! Love both of their work!

[@ShouldaWaved]

It's nice to hear Jordan Peterson talk freely on such important topics

[@samtraygis1337]

Yes!!!! I wish Terrence McKenna was still here as well . Idk why I get so excited about psychedelic and UFO discussion.. I feel like there is some real validity and some answers to the unknown in both topics

[@bloved3369]

Same!!

[@BCEden1]

Is a second Heaven altar that inserts scripts into your third eye. It steals you away from your life and responsibility. I know because I went through this and am weary listening to this.

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

Absolutely!

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

Hit up 👆 the handle. He ships 🍄💊🍫 🔌.....

[@santomuro]

So excited for this! Dennis is a true gentleman and a scholar, and always great to listen to :)) thank you for sharing this

[@UrbanGreenZ4]

Huge Terrence fan and, by proxy, also love his brother. I really think we need more pioneer like these two in the world. I only wish T was still around.

[@Matt-of2eq]

There are hundreds of recorded hours of him speaking. He doesn't need a cult of personality. He delivered him message as was needed.

[@Artinkas]

First time when I did a high amount of DMT I was in very bad psychical shape, it was 2019. I meet there a Jester, who taked me into a trip to few different and weird realities showing me some weird tricks in the meantime. After a while he did take a golden needle and pierced me with it in my solar plexus, it was super weird feeling because when he did that I feeld that something really did pierced my body. I was afraid a little bit because he injected some sort of energy like fire into me through the needle and I it did flow through my entire body like lava, it was a burning sensation. That trip was a point where my mental problems started to disappear, and I was in very bad shape from the youngest years of my life. (Hard social anxiety, body dysmorphia, depression, my ADD was become so weak that I can now do tasks without loosing interest after a while) I don't know what he did to me but it's like my body energy flow was repaired. The thing is I never did read anything about DMT or other psychodelic entities and I saw a lot of the ones that people are describing. For me that is a prove that there is something more in psychodelic experiences, maybe we do connect to some mental internet like thing where we can meet other beings, and some of them can help us. (Btw. I also meet a lot of unexplainable lovecraft like outer gods and other horrors so it's not only candy and roses.) Next thing where psychodelics saved my life was when I got atypical Trigeminal Neuralgia after covid. I had computed tomography which showed that there was infection which eated some part of my bone and probably that did do some damage to the facial nerve. I've got attacks that went for like 8 hours each night, feeling unbelivable 11/10 pain. No painkillers and meds worked. I searched internet from side to side to and I found out that there is a lady in Canada that got prescribtion for psilocybe for her TN. I got magic mushrooms (Golden Teacher) and I tried it. My pain attack didn't come that night and I saw a blurred being that was doing something to my facial nerves, It was like ghost that I barealy saw operated my face. After that day (and it was one year and 2 months) I did not have an TN attack. I hope people will open a little bit more to study psychodelics because for me, they not only healed my mind, they also saved my life. Because that pain every time when you go to bed, it was so horrible that just after two weeks I was thinking about suicide, I could not live like that.

[@DeathBySlushPuppy]

Would love to see a Thomas Sowell interview!

[@LILRHONDALEE]

Absolutely thrilling conversation with a 100 per cent positive, and pleasing resolve! So uplifting and spiritually confirming, as to my own personal thoughts, feelings, and experiences! Seriously, two of my most favorite men in the entire world. Tight hugs to you both...thank you for tickling my brain. Mwuah! xo

[@BrainboxOfficial_1]

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[@AKadir8]

In this conversation my wisdom expanded remarkably about the nature of being human and my personal problems at a higher state of conscoiusness. Your services are to be taken as example for me. Thank you, Mr. Jordan.

[@the2ndcoming135]

Yeah, it’s interesting because I trust my elder David wholeheartedly. It’s just that my elder Brian gives me the integrity and humility I need to keep my Davidic pride in check. Like, remember why Dad put you here😎

[@stunnedmulletblah9714]

Nah live YOUR life, experience YOUR experiences.

[@sentinel2.064]

@@AKadir8 those are bots

[@Five7weezy]

so wish this went for longer. I was enjoying every moment of it.

[@Patriot2499]

Ibogain hcl was a life changing spiritual trip for me. It was so euphoric and long. 18 hrs I was in a outer body experience I was watching my whole life since I was a baby like a movie reel while tripping. It showed me all the bad things I was doing and living wrong. Mother Iboga hit me with the truth. Stopped my depression and anxiety and addiction in one day

[@ShannonWedgley]

Such an incredible conversation. Riddle me this??? How could I have encountered "entities" that I had never seen, imagined, believed in, or ever experienced in my entire life? How is it that there was a sense of remembering and presence amongst eternity that was more familiar then day to day life? The experience shifted my universe in ways I can never truly explain and am still discovering years later. I didn't just encounter these "entities"it turned out that I was one of them and they where my cosmic family. If that was all in my head and others have experienced it as well. Then what is really happening? Maybe "just in your head" is a doorway to another realm that the place that conciseness emanates from. It may be possible that we exist here in the earth realm and others simultaneously. Maybe death is another one of these doorways

[@Morning_muzic]

I've benefited so much from psychedelics. My depression, anxiety, insomnia and also psychedelics has improved my creativity and focus. I got my stuffs delivered discreetly,

[@Morning_muzic]

They're on Instagram......... And Telegram****** as********

[@Morning_muzic]

^^^^=°°jonahmicro12

[@ShannonWedgley]

@@Morning_muzic go peddle you're government watched products somewhere else

[@selfinitiation6533]

You are not alone. I too have experienced my cosmic family in the etheric realm. The experience sometimes takes years to process. You were returned back to your etheric state which felt ultra-familiar to you, allowing you to tap into the Akashic field of remembrance.

[@bloved3369]

I have much respect for JP. I’m new to the McKenna’s and very interested in these matters.

[@clintonadams5006]

Check out Terence recorded lectures he was way ahead of time and very articulate .

[@thephuntastics2920]

You might aswell look up Stanislav Grof. Very important and interesting man.

[@vinceocratic]

I find it fascinating that JP is entertaining the topic of psychedelics. This openness tells me there’s a strong possibility he might take that ride. A JP after Ayahuasca, Bufo, Iboga or on a regular schedule of psilocybin would be an insane level up.

[@Llkolii]

No

[@vinceocratic]

@@Llkoliithis is the extent to which you can articulate yourself?

[@AaronDavison]

He's done mushrooms. I've heard him say this on a podcast.

[@vinceocratic]

@@cashapp4792 why would I do that?

[@danielletracyann]

He said he did psychedelics in a previous interview. Some sort of shaman thing gave him something. He actually is pro psychedelics. What exactly is beneficial I have no idea…..