The Psychology of Psychedelics | Roland Griffiths | EP 167

[@JeffreyTuck-x4f]

DMT, LSD, and psilocybin mushrooms are truly remarkable. A few years back, I was grappling with severe depression and mental health issues, and was diagnosed with BPD. It wasn't until a friend suggested psilocybin mushrooms that things began to change for me. It was a lifesaver, and I've been completely clean for 8 years now.

[@johntnguyen9917]

Congrats on your recovery. Most persons never realizes psilocybin can be used as a miracle medication to save lives. Years back i wrote an entire article about psychedelics. They saved you from death bud, lets be honest.

[@philcurtis4256]

Hey mates! Can you help with the source? I suffer severe anxiety, panic and depression and I usually take prescription medicine, but they don't always help. Where can I find those psilocybin mushrooms? 🙏

[@george.beard2409]

YES very sure of Doctor.jeremyy. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, BPD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.

[@shannonkeeth3094]

On instgram ??

[@miketolliver8940]

Yes

[@tamaskakabadze7898]

I am still mind-boggled that content of such supreme quality is free to watch.We truly are living in the future.

[@jesseharrison9371]

🆓 is the fee for the 🗝️ to your 🧠.

[@luismoreno9633]

Age of Aquarius brother

[@dhilgersom]

I love that we can learn from intelligent humans, because curriculum is nothing compared with years of real hands on experience.

[@JeremyStringham]

@@luismoreno9633 What the hell you talking about? Please tell me you are not talking about Astrology are you?

[@luismoreno9633]

@@JeremyStringham oh here comes the know it all atheist

[@Realygoodatbball]

I MET DR. GRIFFITHS TODAY! I ran into him on a hike !!!! Absolutely genuine and kind!! Still can’t believe it. The odds!!! We were in the middle of nowhere!!! I said “Sir, are you Roland Griffiths?” He said “yes” with the most vibrant and comfortable smile I’ve ever seen. I said “Doctor Griffiths, thank you from the bottom of my heart for your research and sacrifice in your studies.” He smiled from ear to ear and responded warmly (not verbatim) “Your welcome my friend. You are projecting on to me, what you have found inside you. And I encourage that you manifest all of the joy you have found in these breakthroughs and pass it on;)” Life. Changing. He doesn’t know, and probably never will, but he just redirected my entire life. I am not going to let this interaction, stay as just an interaction, it is time to manifest my life. Whether this leads to me reading a book, or writing one, I’m here to say that the opportunity to speak to this man, even for a minute, is among my top 5 most memorable life experiences😁😁

[@innerdescent8210]

I truly hope life leads you where you want to go Andrew. We need more stories like this, just reading about your experience is a wonderful change from all the hate today. I hope you succeed in your endeavors, much love!

[@Realygoodatbball]

@@innerdescent8210 your kind words are very much appreciated. I am glad you found peace in my story. Let us all learn from this and fulfill our personal legend:)

[@lucasmoore8558]

This is so beautiful to read. I wish you all the best and I believe in you!

[@xDMrGarrison]

holy crap.

[@anascancerjourney9922]

Wow! What a run-in!!!! I'll be microdosing tomorrow on a hike in the Baltimore area. Maybe I'll be as blessed!

[@michaeljohnson5853]

Psilocybin are just an amazing discovery. It's quite fascinating how effective they are for depression and stress disorders. Saved my life

[@bradleygreen5109]

They’re are very helpful, I source them from doc.jeanne

[@royperry1165]

@@bradleygreen5109 On Instgram?

[@bradleygreen5109]

Yesss... doc.jeanne

[@larrydiaz9013]

I just had my first experience with golden teachers, it was really great! I loved it.

[@loganturner9175]

The use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression and makes you feel like yourself.

[@independentorbiter3650]

JP is stronger every upload💯

[@SilentDew]

one hundred more and he will become superman

[@SilentDew]

or THE lobster

[@independentorbiter3650]

@@SilentDew 😄🎯

[@noobyproduction]

You think he developed this naturally or is he back on his antidepressant meds? He looks very confident, which is good.

[@googs6274]

@@noobyproduction i hope naturally..

[@houseofr9580]

I was stuck in life and had severe depressions. Shrooms woke me up. I took it 4 times to get the answers I needed. The 3. time I was talking to myself in a mirror for 4 hours. My image was like a devil with horns and all. I think I was talking to the darker side of my psyche. Good talk and I got the message. The 4. time was a really bad run, my inner voice was screaming you dont need this for 5 hours loud in my head while I was in a fetal posision. After that I found a Professor in psychology on the youtube because I wanted to learn more. A year later he exploded with fame and here we are. Thank you Dr. Peterson for all your teachings. I did what you suggested in your classes and I follow the rules of life. Today I have my own company and a woman I love and live with. My life got 100 times better in just 3 years and I am now strong enough to help other people around me. Love from Norway

[@ask9087]

I had a trip where I ended up alone in my friends room and seeing demons, dark shadow creatures, all around me. I later realized they were my demons but I spent most of the trip in a fetal position. All of my trips have taught me something and have had wonderful spiritual trips. I assume I will do them again at sometime in life but for now, last trip was wonderful with my husband, we figured out so much in regards to our life and what we REALLY want for our family as far as lifestyle. changed him permanently, that was years ago....And wonderful rainbows dancing off hotel jacuzzi bath water :)

[@janetwhite7786]

@@ask9087 I love the telescoping of time.

[@archtura7276]

"you don't need this" referring to mushrooms?

[@nielsderuiter1991]

Good for you man, honestly. I took the mushrooms about 10 times now and I recognize the mirror-part, though I have to admit that I really can’t look at myself for more than 10-15 minutes, after that’s I’m starting to feel really horrible. I’ve had a rough youth and there is still al lot more to gain, so I won’t ever give up. But, absolutely great to read that it also has worked out for you.

[@janetwhite7786]

@@nielsderuiter1991 Keep trying. This cd be the day....

[@user-ns7fj2dy8z]

Completely unrelated but I just wanted to let you know that today, after reading the ‘Tell the truth, or at least don’t lie’ chapter a few times a week for the past few months, I finally told the truth to my family and friends about something that I’ve struggled to tell them about for 4/5 years. Thank you Jordan.

[@fr33dumb0]

Congratulations to you! Idk who you are X but God wants me to tell you that he loves you.

[@chrissalmon3222]

@@fr33dumb0 X gon give it to ya

[@daedra40]

Way to go X. Way to go.

[@kharysmilton383]

is that in his book that he's selling the tell the truth and at least dont lie?

[@christianalonso5831]

Care to tell us more ? We are here for you. We are all brothers and sisters here. I hope things keep straightening out as they are

[@RazielApollyon]

Hey, I was an aerospace design engineer, and after being disabled, I've done more psychedelics than most people would believe. They drew me out, and made me paint, play music and care about other people more... in many ways, they saved my life when I was ready to die.

[@claremurphy777]

Theus...stranger :my friend, that is beautiful to read & know. Best of luck to you/us as we go forward. ☘️

[@nikhilramabadran2959]

I believe they don't work more than once, as claimed by Dr. Peterson himself, citing another study, in another video with Dr. Carl Ruck and Brian Muraresku, yet you seem to suggest that you've done them more than once ?

[@user-vm3lr1wy7g]

Teach me

[@jerrydiaz4470]

It's amazing how they saved your life when at the same time they show you what being dead is. It's a humbling experience. I say it from my own experiences . Stay alert 🙏

[@bruceli9094]

Did they make you vote Democrap?

[@traceycurtis1005]

My husband is retired military. He had severe PTSD. After researching the benefits of micro dosing fungi he gave it a shot and it has drastically changed our lives for the better.

[@DJDeezNutz]

This is awesome!

[@intraterrestrial5035]

Good!

[@justletmesigninokthx]

Interesting. How can he get affects without crossing the threshold that produces the trip ?

[@donaldstaples8791]

I hope he finds the pathway towards peace in his soul. Veterans need this.

[@nunyabiz2889]

The one time I tried mushrooms I had a VERY bad experience. That was roughly 12 years ago. I have debilitating anxiety and depression, and I'm tempted to give this another shot. Micro dosing may be a good alternative to just swallowing a full cap.

[@samuelvilz]

Have some timestamps :) 00:00 Beyond Order 01:20 Jordan introduces Roland 04:40 History of research in psychedelics 08:40 Roland's career and interest in meditation and psychedelics 18:33 Deep Dive into Roland's first study with psychedelics 31:26 Preparation of supervisors and participants 43:42 Facing the dragon through psychedelics 46:20 Participants' reports of deeply meaningful experiences 1:01:15 Narrative structures and their rewiring 1:08:45 What the hell's going on here? 1:10:05 Reduction of fear of death. The meaning of death 1:18:30 Change in view on consciousness through psychedelics 1:26:02 Why was psilocybine used in the studies? 1:27:48 Discussing evolution of psychedelics and religion 1:56:36 Studying effects on meditators and religious professionals 2:12:44 Effects of psychedelics on societies 2:24:00 Closing words I enjoyed this podcast episode. Thank you. Also, if any lobster admin feels like putting the timestamps into the video description to utilize KZbin's chapter functionality, go for it :)

[@irynaprotasova5588]

🔝

[@BREAKOUT444]

Blessed be the Gods 🙏

[@Driada0830]

Thank you

[@Dr.Cassio_Esteves]

UP

[@bianchialex]

Lobster admin 😂

[@joesnapple83]

Love that Jordan is out there talking with other interesting people. Thankful he's back.

[@BboyKeny]

He's setting up a interview with Elon Musk, I'm insanely hyped!

[@captainswan3079]

@@BboyKeny Yay!

[@tessymitch]

Psychedelic is the answer to most severe anxiety and depression...the use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression

[@AdalynBoucher]

Psychedelic is the answer to most severe anxiety and depression...The use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression and makes you feel like yourself...I used antidepressants for some years but it only made me feel like a zombie but with immediate use of mushroom 🍄 in few months I feel like I'm living a whole new Life.

[@williamsjames9074]

I'm glad myco.spore is mentioned... I've been having situational depression for about 4 yrs plus now but I had to hit him up last week and he really gave me some of his product..they work like magic.

[@godwinnati]

Is he on insta?

[@leecharlotte5212]

@@godwinnati yes... he is Myco.spore

[@MuriloCavalcante-bw3xm]

When you've experienced psilocybin,the visions,the feeling that others feel become relatable and real,but when you haven't they could sound weird

[@61shirley]

5 dried grams in silent darkness, no music. changed my life. almost 10 years since my last dose and i still live as though it was yesterday.

[@BRNRDNCK]

Could you describe it please?

[@Tacit_Tern]

@@BRNRDNCK Lol

[@61shirley]

@@BRNRDNCK I’ve tried, and I always feel like I never do it any justice. The visuals are staggering, and they’re alive, they have different personalities. I get the sense that they’re still there now turning the cogs and maintaining the machinery that make the universe work. It’s barmy.

[@MathiasMNielsen]

If you're willing to share, how did it change your life? What happened doing the trip? Was it enough with that one trip, since you haven't done it since? You don't consider doing it at all once again?

[@TheJeremyKentBGross]

Dude! Fancy seeing you here. That "far right" song was so hilarious and catchy. Good show!

[@yougotdirked]

In my view, this is one of JP's most important podcasts yet

[@stclairej]

Amen

[@stephensherburne831]

You're absolutely right. I said this in another - unreasonably long - testimonial floating around these comments, but it bears repeating here: the 4/20 release date is perfect for reasons other than the one everyone keeps referencing: once this topic enters a culture of minds like those of JP and guest, and is digested, contemplated, and distilled about ten more thought cycles, we will have arrived at the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.

[@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027]

Yes

[@stantheoneandonly]

"Season 4 Episode 20" I see what you did there...

[@Josef138]

!

[@henkfraser1316]

Not a psycedelic though. Rather quite the opposite.

[@TheFire-fq8fx]

[@sjofas]

@@henkfraser1316 kidding?

[@edgeofthought]

Sharp! haha

[@THOR6471]

I have a friend that was diagnosed with PTSD and treatment resistant depression. After 2 months of micro dosing magic mushrooms they have been taken off 3 of 5 meds and are doing amazingly well. I am stunned and shocked at how well they are doing as well as their Dr. It is an absolute miracle!

[@shaunmcgough7227]

I think the problem is outright legalizing them and taking it out of a trained professionals hands. Lots of people are having bad trips and no one to guide them.

[@kayveecreative4320]

I wonder if the same results are possible with mushrooms like lions mane... I've heard some stimulate neurogenesis and can help rewire the brain in positive ways.

[@alvareo92]

I wish my microdosing experience had been that transformative!

[@miltonl9235]

@@kayveecreative4320 if you mean "same results" as in the spiritual sense of a psilocybin session, the bad news is that Lion's Mane doesn't have the chemical compounds needed. But it is a tasty mushroom to forage for!

[@jennykelter9518]

I have terrible ptsd and it’s stories like these that keep me looking into mushrooms as a possible healing method. Thank you for sharing

[@jennabronson4704]

Peterson: “What do you make of the idea that the mushroom evolved to induce these experiences in humans so we would spread it around and ensure its survival?” Griffiths: *laughs softly* , *begins laughing maniacally* , *morphs into mushroom entity* “You figured it out, Jordan.”

[@jpb7484]

This made me snort my coffee.

[@JordyWerner]

😄😆🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ImperiumLibertas]

Glad I read this before watching that part. Made me laugh even harder 🤣

[@jazzy19001]

I am not sure of the malevolent concern here in regards to interdependence and evolution. Unless he is concerned that these mushrooms were put on earth by aliens or something. Many plants can only propagate if their seeds are ingested and then pooped out by an animal for example,. That's not nefarious - just co-evolution and mutual benefit.

[@tomashultgren4117]

I love it. Turn on, tune in! Let's all be mushrooms!

[@johnnyquist8362]

I am a product of the LSD world, psychedelics and the hippie culture of the late sixties and early seventies. I am an old man now, 76 years old and a fervent follower of Jordan Peterson. I saw this posted on youtube and I went straight for the comments. I will listen to the podcast later today, 05/10/21. I have a very great amount of experience with LSD and I’d be happy to share it with anyone who is serious. I don’t want to get into an argument or play internet games, but I’d enjoy a real and genuine honest discussion. And thanks to Dr. Jordan Peterson for all the awesome work that he does.

[@paulevrat8651]

John. Is it as described in The Doors of Perception? Slightly different subs noted.

[@KevinWatson1983]

Put your story here, it'll probs help a lot of people : )

[@Tacit_Tern]

Free William Leonard Pickard

[@niteshj_]

Do tell ..

[@noobyproduction]

Have you ever tried microdosing?

[@TheWiseElder]

“When you see a demon ask it questions… approach whatever you encounter, it is just a variation of your consciousness” this is both terrifying and liberating.

[@MeMe-dw1sm]

Amazing line, takes you everywhere

[@07serda]

Bloody brilliant !

[@justintorrex6676]

No need to ask demons questions, they come to deliver a mesage, also they use telepathy so again, no need to ask.

[@ienjoyapples]

Knowing that the demon is in my own consciousness is even more terrifying. In fact, I once saw a demonic figure during a bad trip, told myself it was only in my head, and that just made the existential terror worse.

[@justintorrex6676]

@@ienjoyapples no dude, demons are very real and of a big variety. Contrary of what people belive not all of them are evil, they just have a diferent plan than God. Wisdom make their influence over you preety much non existent just as with karma. Good luck.

[@lisafeck1537]

I am so impressed by this conversation. I am equally impressed that this content is free. I, I get to listen in to a conversation I would never have the opportunity to hear, ever. Peterson's enthusiasm, his passion, mixed with his intelligence, education, experiences, makes him THE ultimate interviewer for the guest, and the subject. I am so thankful to experience this through Jordan Peterson. I would never have searched for this subject, ever, never had any interest in the subject, now, with Peterson's questions and input, I'm interested now.

[@myco_mircooninstagramsells9075]

☝️☝️Look up to that handle, he ships swiftly and he got shrooms, dmt, lsd, mmda, psilocybin, chocolate bar. He got alot ..✅✅

[@Josh-dx3jw]

I love your last name

[@AnkitKumar-iz4br]

I think the mere fact that consciousness exist and you are able to thank is a miracle in itself... we really are wired to have experiences like this even without the actual use of psychedelics, cuz we are wired that way

[@vr2854]

JP is a living legend.. This is why we need our children to study, read, think, to open up their horizons and explore their talents. JP is a truly generous man giving us all these materials for free. Making the world a better place eventually through his impact

[@andrewteece3496]

hear! hear!

[@snap0179]

Well said

[@andrewteece3496]

@Darren I don't think anyone will watch it.

[@makdaddy629]

I participated in a 4 month long treatment of microdosing psilocybin to assist in getting off a 200$ a day heroin habit that lasted for roughly 7 yrs. At the same time was also going through mediocre ptsd coming out of an extremely toxic relationship. It was life changing in such a positive way. Truly believe these doctors are doing the right things here and it's a healthier and more affective treatment

[@ninostsopanidis6658]

so in 7 years you spent half a million dollars in heroin? Daaamn.

[@Blablablateelbal]

I’m happy for your healing. Were you reluctant to use drugs to get rid of a drug addiction?

[@JGmeow]

Where are you located? It sounds like it would be of benefit to experience a trial like this.

[@patientlywatching7775]

As a person who knows EXACTLY what ur talking about, I find any/all psychedelics are anti-addiction in any form (dope, of course, but gambling, sex, $, power...) esp Ibogaine.

[@volkischfrau2957]

I am sorry you endured such a toxic relationship😣. Glad you are better now.

[@RedactedATS]

The beard is back and adding to the legend of our Wise Dad Man 👍 ❤✌🇬🇧

[@arohkraehmer]

The wisdom of his beard is at least equal to the power of his brain 🤣

[@davyroger3773]

Kinda weird to call him your dad

[@bengtal]

i've been waiting for the beard too

[@renaissancestatesman]

@@davyroger3773 he's the dad of the internet. That's been a common description of him for some time.

[@bananaman1579]

@@davyroger3773 i didn’t have a good father figure, Jordan taught me how to be a man

[@tomdubyes1769]

I have conducted about 25 psilocybin sessions on myself, with doses raging from 0.18g up to 3.8g a session, different strains of shrooms, different strengths. All during last 3 years. Inner child traumas, ancestors traumas, self love, full self acceptance, learning how to love my dark side, overcoming fears, rejections, childhood traumas, letting go, forgiveness were just a few things that came out of it. I was shown every single bit of bad energy that I have ever contributed to collective consciousness, all bed things that ever been done to me, but also all bad things that I have ever done to others, I have overcame self hate, suicide of my younger sister, divorce, depression, being suicidal myself, i was shown the most beautiful unconditional love you can possibly imaging. an old ladies hands made out of roots scooped some darkness from my heart, it then turned in to "spaghetti of snakes" on my chest, just to morph in to 2 big intertwining snakes that shoot out in to horizon leaving huge ball of white/gold/yellow light. I was shown all my unhealthy copping mechanisms that I have developed over years. I woke up in my mothers womb during one session, I have met my inner child, little petrified boy sitting in the corner of the most terrifying room made out of fear and pain, with green mouldy walls & darkness. I have "jumped from timeline to timeline" of my life to meet myself in diffrent ages, just to look at traumatising events with my mature, 40 years old consciousness, but feeling all the emotions on the level of that particular age. Many, many experiences and thoughts to share. But one thing is for sure... there are no bad trips, there are only good trips or necessary trips. If you are living in denial in your everyday life it will be brutally shown to you, to see it, feel it, experience it... just to come back and then do something about it. Mushrooms arent fixing you, they showing you whta has to be done, but work must be done after sessions. However there is a very blissful calmness for few days after every session, that can be extended by microdosing, which itself has amazing effects even when someone doesn't want to do proper dose of 🍄

[@glfriendliness9793]

Sounds familiar to me, back in 2004 one trip helped me purge a lot of pent up sadness and frustration with a 1 hour sobbing spell during the 9 plus hour experience. I felt and functioned wonderfully for a long time afterward.

[@pkhrezo-prodigalone49]

I love it. Thx for sharing!

[@organicgirl]

Have you ever considered Ayahuasca?

[@glfriendliness9793]

@@organicgirl don’t know if you’re post was for me, but I did it once in a shamanic gathering. It was a total blast, though I experienced no healing.

[@organicgirl]

@@glfriendliness9793 thanks for your response. I appreciate it. This is the first time I’ve heard an ‘Ayahausca’ experience being referred to as a blast. Lol

[@jonathanbaba1068]

The graciousness of your guest in this podcast was remarkable.

[@conniedellinger5864]

Dr Griffiths was extremely gracious, generous and patient. Plan to learn more about him-wishing Dr Pedersen would have allowed him to expand on the personal impact this has had on him...Dr Pedersen was so excited, in my view, he interrupted too often. And, this is not a criticism necessarily....

[@thetremulant]

That's what a meditative life will do, along with rigorous scientific work where you're constantly proven wrong. Both instill humility.

[@ethanjimenez7819]

anyone else notice how much better Jordan is looking after he figured out the sleep apnea thing? His brain is on fire again

[@craigtuohy]

Literally the opposite of this. He looks like a zombie

[@ethanjimenez7819]

@@craigtuohy im not really talking aesthetically, but compare current jp and jp just after his return and hes looking waaay better

[@cjtrickstar6060]

If you have any idea what its like to go thru a drug withdrawal you'd understand. Withdrawal from benzos can be fatal. For comparison, heroin is not.....

[@craigtuohy]

@@cjtrickstar6060 Recovering addict here. He looks and sounds terrible.

[@anthonybrett]

@@craigtuohy "He looks and sounds terrible." Seriously? You need to re-evaluate your definition of terrible dude. He looks fine to me. What makes him look terrible? Is it the beard? Three day growth perhaps? lol WTF!

[@aleksandarpavkov]

People should be more grateful to have this kind of content, this high level of intimate academic conversation availble online!

[@patientlywatching7775]

Many ppl have no clue who JP, Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens or even Joe Rogan r. I get y they call it the "intellectual dark web!!!" If more were exposed to this, uhg, they prolly wouldn't listen+that's alarming on many levels.

[@TheAcad3mic]

@@patientlywatching7775 It really wouldn't have cost you that much more time to write like an adult would it?

[@JesseP.Watson]

I had an incredible pcilocybin experience this month. I've lived the last three months alone in a shelter I made by the woods, most stunning location... The bottom of a wee valley, drinking water straight from a spring. I had some thirty dried caps ground up in tea with honey and lemon. I began sitting by the stream as the moon rose and let myself say something of a prayer of gratitude whilst I waited for them to take effect. I let my mind settle and set a few 'parametres' too, letting my mind drift over those things I wished to take away from the experience, healing old wounds etc. I focused my mind on the wonders of nature around me and found myself feeling I was in loving company. While the effect was mounting I enjoyed the heavens, the almost telescopic clarity of focus building all the while until the horizon reached out geometric tendrils encompassing the moonlit clouds. The canopy of the trees became fractal nets intertwined with each other whilst reaching into the dome above. As I looked about I let myself enjoy each scene as a reflection of the majesty of mind and the astonishing power therein, the creative audacity of reality. Those passing, grotesque visions I guided myself to view likewise, as wondrous creative expressions which need not be feared. When the effect was nearing it's full magnitude, I moved inside to sit beside the stove, which, as everything else, I had carefully prepared before consuming my potion so as to avoid any unwelcome interruption to the experience and the positive mindset I wished to retain. The heat of the stove brought the experience into a new dimension, it washing over me inspiring an ecstatic impression of comforting love and goodwill. The fractal visions intensified and I allowed myself to drift into them, focusing my mind's eye to push progressively deeper, extending my concentration tentatively, daring myself to close my eyes and allow the visions to flood over me... And, oh, was it a flood. I began yawning, deeply, feeling my body releasing tension as with a good massage, I felt it was preparing for the meeting with whatever it was I looked towards when I closed my eyes, a chasm of visions, of love and of all-knowing, that feared yet adored, the terrifying terrific. When I had yawned my last and was envoloped, I retired to bed and allowed myself to curl up with my eyes closed in a small ball, warm beneath the covers, to float there in the well of love I felt myself swirling through. ...And then I had arrived somewhere else. Wreathed in glowing golden light I looked across jewelled, filagree capped minarettes, a serpentine helix snaked around one... and I began to laugh. The joke, to me, then, too absurd to bare: how could we believe ourselves anything other than the off-spring of Gods, of creatures of magic and wonder beyond all comprehension...? Was God's presence not obvious enough? And I Iaughed at the wonder I saw, there behind my closed eyes, again and again, there was no other expression befitting for such staggering clarity, such revelatory beauty. ...And in the deepest room of that place, I remember just a glimpse of it now... But at one point I reminded myself that I was still alive and, though I could indeed depart right there and then, comfortably, I should not. So I returned. And I rose to warm myself beside the fire as the peak passed. Then, I moved to sit in the hazel arch of my shelter's doorway, the moon above as I sat warm in my sleeping bag, cross-legged. I sat in Nirvana there for an hour before dawn, bliss, the halucinations gone, just a staggering clarity to my vision. The moonlight was bright, near full, the view it lit in silver beneath, beyond majestic. I smiled broadly at the ecstacy of existance, at the unbelievable good fortune I had been awarded with to look upon such a vista, at the rolling magnificence of the clouds dancing by, at the mighty trees and a tiny mushroom that had taken me to meet the Gods. ...Aye, turns out it's not such foolish notion after all.

[@ExtraPencil2]

I've experienced hallucinogenics many times, and have had sparks of your experience, I've never thought to set it up in advance. And I've never had the full and (I assume) lasting shifts in understanding of reality. Luckily, I usually tripped with my then boyfriend, a spiritual young man. Together we'd go to the river, open fields, and woods, and learn from nature. In time, although the essence of what we experienced never changed, its reality in our day-to-day lives receded markedly. Maybe because we graduated university and began the journey of careers, marriage and children. Could we have taken that message with us? I'd say he did a better job than I. Thank you for sharing your experience. It prompted me to reconsider my experiences all those years ago.

[@scottanderson4957]

Aye....are you scottish? Thanks for sharing you write well❤

[@JesseP.Watson]

@@ExtraPencil2 Interesting. I have to say, I find the desire to 'hold on' to these experiences - those inexplicables we meet in life on those rare occassions, be they sobre visions or otherwise - well, life goes on, interminably. ...I think our ego says "I want it to be forever! I want to tell everyone!" ...But there's little to be gained from attempting to hold onto a vision, however majestic. I wrote this here as I'd meant to write the experience out for my own record and hadn't gotten around to it. I did magic mushrooms quite a few times from maybe 17-20yrs old and never had a good experience, nothing remotely comparable to the above anyway. My recent explorations were inspired by two factors - firstly, I had a very dark experience 3 years ago, a deep, traumatic betrayal which I found/find very hard to see past. In the aftermath of that I had a deep urge to go out into the desert and have a deep trip (it had been 20 years since my last)... I held that desire for 2 years but didn't have the opportunity to see it through. Secondly, I was curious to see what the effect would be now on my mature mind - minus all that adolescant angst and the burden of inconfidence and confusion of youth... Having done this, I have to say, I'd say these are drugs which suit maturity - it's a very different experience with that mental control that comes with age - for example, I was always worried I would 'stay crazy' as a youth doing them and that thought never occurred to me today - I had the patience and fortitude when it got a little too much to put my hand on my own shoulder, so's to speak, and guide myself awat from panic or negativity. Also, doing them today, not as a recreational experience but alone, with a clear focus on the potential healing qualities, framed the whole thing in an entirely different way. I'd highly recommend it, if nothing else, as a challenge in mental... Or 'mindful' control (though I dislike the Budhist conotations of that word). ...Above all, the experience proved for me, in the most startling way, that my mind yet has incredible creative power and secrets to show me... After a few years battling feelings of fatigue and weariness, of those doubts of perhaps being 'past it'... That experience entirely exploded those maladies. Aye. ...There be mysteries yet to unfold in the twilight hours of the soul. :-)

[@JesseP.Watson]

@@scottanderson4957 My pleasure dude. From North Yorkshire, by upbringing... The 'wee' is used in the North of England a bit too.

[@ExtraPencil2]

@@JesseP.Watson What a deeply considered and helpful response, Jesse. I've thought of trying it myself, but I can only access ketamine, which has never had the same impact. But the possibility of unveiling secrets, opening new doors, and helping me see my same world in a completely new way, well, it's irresistible. It's risky in some ways but so is living the same day over and over again. Good luck on your journey!

[@kasiecastleberry]

What a blessing this conversation was; if it had been 16 hours long, it still would have felt cut short.

[@stclairej]

Well said

[@LetsTalkAboutPrepping]

IN THIS EPISODE: Two of our greatest minds ask each other WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! back and forth multiple times

[@MJ-ix7wm]

Isn't that the real question after all...

[@Ac-ip5hd]

Right before it gets really interesting.

[@bobbyhulll8737]

And no one knows !

[@spindoctor6385]

Jordans interviewing skills are improving drastically. He has the ability to stop his guests going off on to many tangents, even though he loves a tangent himself. In this interview he was able to get around an obvious humbleness and allow us to see the achievements of this excellent researcher.

[@samuelchuathecool]

You know, I think he was interrupting a little too much, but I think it may be a result of his returned health (or perhaps my own personal bias, since I'd love to hear more of Roland). I'm glad his brain is working on a higher level, however.

[@spindoctor6385]

@@samuelchuathecool I agree that he did interrupt quite a bit, I think that is better than a lot of awkward silences. I think he is still finding a good balance but compared to earlier conversations this is an improvement.

[@lenafelipe]

I think he interrupted too many times. He doesn’t let the guest speak

[@spindoctor6385]

@@lenafelipe compare it to older interviews, he is improving. I think he treats these more as conversations than interviews and has his idea of where he wants the conversation to go, and is a little to controlling when it drifts away from that. Interviewing is hard, Jordan is usually better when he is the interviewee he seems to turn that into a more natural flowing conversation. * IDK if interviewee is a word.

[@TristanMattox]

It’s an interesting point, his interjections, because the dynamic between host and guest is different in Peterson’s case. He’s garnered a lot of public reputation and so people listen, in part, for what he has to say. The same could not be said for a typical interviewer/podcast host who’s expected to simply be a platform for the guest to share their ideas.

[@penndragon22]

I've watched this full episode end to end at least three times. Jordan had been thinking about the conversation for weeks; Roland was beaming with excitement to discuss it with him. Awesome.

[@RebelionFiscal]

The image of jordan peterson trying laughing meditation by himself at home makes me smile

[@jonathonmutimer8376]

Wholesome

[@StephenIC]

All I can think of is Joker (2019) lmao

[@HueghMungus]

@@StephenIC Are you implying Jordan Frigging PETERSON a lunatic?

[@bipslone8880]

@@jonathonmutimer8376 NEVER TAKE ADVICE FROM A DRUG ADDICT!!!

[@lightofmylife1616]

@@bipslone8880 Our bodies are made out of drugs

[@amerbur]

I had one of these experiences over 44 years ago. I rate the experience as one of the most important, long-lasting, life-changing, experiences of my life. It has saved me from despair in the midst of the death of loved ones. In times of trouble, I am taken to this place of love, gratitude, and awe about life, no matter how difficult the situation. I was guided by a presence, taken into the universe. Knowledge, which I certainly had never learned during my life was downloaded into my consciousness and the depth of understanding was deep and vast like the ocean or infinity. There were no words, only understanding, I was taken to the edge, yet surrounded by a presence for which there were no words, sufficient to describe. The presence was living love. I knew I would not be able to take the knowledge back with me but I knew of the knowledge and that the knowledge was accessible and real, when not in body form or limited by our brain. To this day, just the thought of this experience brings me to reverent tears of joy.

[@soniatompkins9297]

This is so interesting! Thank you for sharing your experience! I have never done psychedelics but I am curious about them and I am very religious. Your experience seems to fit with Catholic understanding of God and man. Particularly with how God is infinite, all good, and all knowing and how He is love itself and a communion of persons in the Trinity. We were created to share in and imitate God's life of love and communion. However, our minds are finite. So we only have a limited knowledge of who God is. We can keep increasing our understanding of Him but there's so much of spiritual reality that we can't grasp during our earthly lives simply because a finite mind cannot fully understand something infinite. Has this experience made you more spiritual or seek religion?

[@N3CR0TlC]

What a wonderful way of describing it. I have also had the same experience and though it was only 10 years ago for me I would still rate it as the most important event in my life. Like you it still has a profound effect on the way I approach adversity and life in general. Sometimes I still lose my way but every time I get too deep just the memory of that experience is enough to propel me out. Thank you for sharing.

[@MrAljab]

May I ask what you took?

[@mevikkkkk]

One time, when I was hiking with a couple of friends, we took some shrooms on a trail while climbing the Śniezka peak (it's in Poland) on a cold autumn day. Snow was already piled up while we were climbing the last stair. I was pretty high at that moment, but the effects didn't make the hiking any bit harder. Quiet opposite, I felt hyper-sensitive to my surroundings, like it was influencing every single move i made to make it most energy efficient. None the less, on this trip, for the first time in my live, I felt a something I can sincerely describe as a religious experience. We were passing a group of tourist-pilgrims led by a priest. When I saw him walking in front of the group, with a cross in his hand, saying "In the name of god!", I really felt some kind of floating energy around them. Not even from him generally, but from the whole group, bonded in this experience, connecting to a deity in a honoring way, experiencing nice views and climbing peak together. I can't even describe it, but it just made me feel good and positive about them, like it motivated myself to achieve my goals and self improve. I reconsidered how small are we in our struggle against forces of nature alone, and how much using such patterns empowers us as a group.

[@Apollothecrowing]

Thanks for sharing.

[@Heuh999]

Pozdrawiam

[@41357500]

@@Apollothecrowing yeah hes a real hemingway

[@KunjaBihariKrishna]

Same. I was raised atheists and a highly skeptical kid, but my experience on mushrooms instantly caused religious/spiritual experiences to make sense to me. Like I understood that with my whole body and it feels like a memory. Everyone argues what is real or not, but it doesn't matter, the experience is real. If only people could appreciate the experience and not worry about the interpretation, and not assume it is proof of anything. The experience exists, certainly, and it WILL cause your to grow.

[@Danne1886]

That's amazing. When I used shrooms it started out fun, but I could barely even walk. By the end I was face down on a mattress unable to get up because it felt like my limbs were in the wrong places. I can't imagine hiking in that state lol.

[@umhewow]

Jordan, your are an unmistakable force for goodness in this world. I have the utmost respect and love for you. Thank you Roland! Your work will help so many people

[@ropori_piipo]

Anyone who has experimented with psychedelics understands their potential. If you take the drugs seriously, they will treat you seriously.

[@Teasehirt]

Your mind goes where the spotlight/attention goes. I tried to get past the spotlight but was unable.

[@guerillaco1159]

A wave of bliss.

[@MrHalahalaho]

You need to recognise your ego, and isolate it. Forget that you're a person and lean into the eternal ✨ the mushrooms will strip your ego away and help you focus on the important aspects of life ❤

[@lizzieck2576]

@@guerillaco1159 like being wrapped in velvet 🥰

[@snakeeyes1662]

Conor Murphy’s look him insta lost mind

[@ryanunderwood9660]

It's great how Dr Griffiths, towards the middle of the conversation, shuffles and laughs with joy before responding to each idea or question. The conversation itself is obviously deeply meaningful to him and it's great to watch. Such a delightfully honest dialogue. More of this!

[@bethanyperry2266]

I'd love to do.

[@KentShepherd]

This man's research led to my first mushroom experience. The mushrooms helped me stop my suicide ideation and showed me how to better manage my depression. Keeping my room clean helped tremendously. These two men literally saved my life.

[@patientlywatching7775]

I was a miserable wreck....hated myself, just depressed n beaten. I found LSD, mushrooms+MDMA. 25yrs later the revelations still allow me 2c truth w confidence not fear (usually). N more.

[@SanjuroSan]

Man I'm so glad to hear this. Thank you for sharing, I'm very happy for you

[@patientlywatching7775]

@@SanjuroSan gotta share the good news that ppl never heard about. Only the tragedies caused by idiotic behavior r reported. I love being proof that thes things are ineffable yet good. Please share your good exps. Have u felt the electricity flowing between all of us? How csn anyone ever un-see what these teachers show u.

[@traceyreed9167]

This is what I was interested in hearing. I’m curious about the group of people who were chosen and there past experiences. If 30% of them felt fear, did this correlate with past or present trauma? He said they have yet to experiment with Bipolar diagnosed but it would be interesting to see if we are holding a remedy for peace. This most certainly could be life changing.

[@bananaman1579]

I “spoke” with the golden gods and learned to love and care for myself properly

[@johnnypanrike8505]

I don't think the significance and value of Dr. Griffiths' (and associates) accomplishments can be easily overstated. Opening up the area of psychedelics research with all its benefits that has emerged so far is just fantastic! Thank you for having an immensely important guest on!

[@RP-vn6wy]

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

[@pedrogorilla483]

It’s a shame that they still can’t talk in terms of their own experiences without risking being discredited as professionals.

[@cliftonnobles5600]

Meanwhile, MANY of said "professionals" are probably just AFRAID of the experience they might have. Spiritual cowardice.

[@louselfridge517]

@@cliftonnobles5600 lol, nonsense. It just doesn’t holds a lot of scaleable value. Hippies always say they found some secret but are still bums. If it’s applicable in the real world you would be able to explain the secret, but they never can. It’s just your mind playing tricks on you. But hey, if it helps a person feel better about themselves, great! But don’t act like you’re going to be the next Elon Musk because you did some acid in a forest. This is coming from somebody who did everything and a lot of them and I can attest that the real breakthroughs came from hard consistent work.

[@ericarzt9128]

@@louselfridge517 I have seen people who have gone through phycodelic experiences have drastic and long lasting shift in their value systems which caused drastic positive changes in their felt emotional experience. Myself included. Yes you still have to put a lot of work in, just like you still have to lift weights if you take steriods. That doesn't say the steroids don't work. Having these overwhelming experiences can be a tremendous tool for transformation, and this guys clinical research through his career has essentially proved that.

[@jerryjb]

Tim Ferriss and Hamilton Morris made some good points about this topic in their must recent interview

[@manfredschmalbach9023]

@@louselfridge517 You might look into PTSD-treatment, in treatment of clinical depressed patients, in treatment of suicidal borderliners with psychodelics ..... a *_lot_* of those would contradict Your utterly crappy contribution. So do I: Should You personally not profit from psychodelics, and recurrently so, You might rethink Your decisions concerning set and setting when taking powerful drugs - that's not a party thing, never was, never will be, no matter how many weirdos do misuse it anyway.

[@NonLethalDog]

I have probably been waiting for a JBP talk exclusively on this topic for the last three years, very well received, thank you Doctors.

[@SynapticTransmission]

This gives me tremendous hope. More hope than I've had in 40 years of suffering. Thank you!

[@theraven3607]

I feel like JP was so enthused and interested in Roland that he kept coming over the top of him and cutting off some very interesting threads that he was going into. Would pay for a part 2 any day.

[@donperegrine922]

Yes! I was pretty frustrated. I live Jordan, but this man....wow. needs to speak! He is slow, Jordan is too dast

[@Gokulraj23]

I was about to say that, mostly because JP most probably never had a psychedelic experience. But its clear that he is deeply enthusiastic about it. May be the one with Tim might have primed JP for this interview. But i really wish he hadn't stopped Griffith at many occasions.

[@ckihooligan]

Felt that too, not often that JPB is so enthusiastic, yet understandable.

[@lonedrone]

I agree. JP was bursting to ask his questions often before Roland had finished. Still, very interesting.

[@lonedrone]

​@@Gokulraj23 I think he has had psychedelic experiences which may explain why he is so intrigued and enthusiastic. And it IS a deeply interesting experience that transcends any other drug related altered state.

[@SolvingTheMoneyProblem]

S4 E20. Well played sir 😂

[@cruxargentum2179]

Is the tune still playing?

[@meaningofreason]

Bro stop

[@viggoGodisgreat]

lmao

[@cetetrips]

Now that's what I call seeing patterns 👌🏻👌🏻

[@generatingideas]

Oohhh SHIIIT THO!!!! ROFL!

[@mborsik]

Okay, I'll be the one to say it out loud: this is the first video or Mr. Peterson since his comeback where he has definitely reached his previous mental fitness. Needless to say I'm overly happy and looking forward to more!

[@captainswan3079]

Poor guy is struggling with anxiety. Anxiety is the worse.😔

[@xerse29]

RIP Doctor Griffiths. Due to his work so many people will benefit and already have benefited, including me. If there is one man we can thank for dedicating one’s life towards a noble goal it would be this beautiful man. Thank you Roland we’ll take it from here :)

[@Theqpom]

So unbelievable. We get the privilege and observational experience of hearing and seeing Jordan and his guests figure out life’s biggest questions in live time and with incredible humility. Jordan, the suffering physically you have experienced and will experience makes your thinking and questioning what it is IMHO. This interview on psychedelics and the deepest seatings of human existence and life ending is remarkably brilliant. The connection of your two minds is so uplifting and insightful. We are blessed to exist at this moment in time. And I am completely sober and not on psychedelics lol!

[@badgerlife9541]

I think the same thing almost daily when finding such gems as this one on KZbin. ❤️

[@uppitymantis7578]

I’m a simple man, I see Jordan Peterson and psychedelics in the same title, I click like

[@lararose1634]

Agreed. JP & Psychedelics: worthwhile on so many levels. Simple. Brilliant. I've been in the shamanic culture for 25 years. 7 years with psychotherapy. So relieved to see this podcast up today. It's more significant than most folk seem to grok.

[@bipslone8880]

NEVER TAKE ADVICE FROM A DRUG ADDICT!!!

[@captainswan3079]

@@bipslone8880 Who is the drug addict you're referring to?

[@garrettk7166]

Are you actually a simple man, though?

[@danielcaster1227]

I feel like this is the most excited I've ever seen Jordan Peterson to interview someone lol

[@raddestraven]

A little too excited to let Roland finish answering the last questions, I know it's his podcast but maybe he should dial down his minds thinking and crank up the listening a few notches. You know he must have a lot of practice from his clinical days, getting a little rusty perhaps, he is not rude but it was coming off that way a tad bit.

[@briangard951]

Same for me Daniel.

[@AM-fc5xb]

His excitement Maybe due to his own battles with depression

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

@@raddestraven I thought the Prof. was short circuiting the inclination for voluble anwers.

[@tgeo2880]

Frustratingly kept interrupting him

[@CELTICSAVAGE32]

Two of the coolest, most insanely intelligent people around... its really an incredible privilege to be able to see them talk and exchange ideas.

[@MissJuggler]

"Be humble about what you don't understand" I'm constantly reminded - or walloped, like Dr Peterson would say - of that powerful realization.

[@m80thewolf86]

This is one of the first times I've genuinely seen Dr. Peterson "light up" in recent months. NOW... Welcome back, sir.

[@greydenpiechnickrealestate6928]

@Darren your judgmental comment is ironic, Jesus doesn’t want your prideful, arrogant, judgements on your neighbors. Do better.

[@mikethewise2000]

@Darren Are you truly out here using the name of our lord for your selfish ends? You should know better than that, to weaponize the good lord, and use your faith to put others below you. It is not the way! We are to bring them into the fold by sharing the good word and letting them see the light of their own accord, please reflect on your actions together with your brothers and sisters in faith.

[@alvareo92]

@Darren are you commenting this on all his videos? What's the point? Do you honestly believe that is the right way to evangelise His word? Is that what will enact change and acceptance in Jordan?

[@tacitozetticci9308]

@Darren yikes

[@alimohseni5111]

I learned about psychedelics in one of Jordan's lectures, tried them, and they've changed my life forever. They helped me see myself for who I really am, and try my best for the future of myself and my family.

[@tombarrett7797]

Ali what was that experience like? I mean was it like something out of body that you were viewing yourself from an objective viewpoint? I'm genuinely interested.

[@alimohseni5111]

@@tombarrett7797 It was like a voice that talked to me about my beliefs and generally my approach towards life. Be very careful if you wanna try it tho. My darkest weirdest and most terrifying experience of my whole life was on a heavy dose of mushroom.

[@MrDjdanieljose]

This is the testimony that I was looking for, proof of a brave person that wants to face its fears and knowledge. My mentality wants to find answers, ready to accept everything and construct more questions. 1 day left to take my first trip.

[@alimohseni5111]

@@MrDjdanieljose that's the right attitude to start your journey with psychedelics. Just don't expect too much from your first trip, the main part is after the trip, when you try to understand and explore the meaning of what you saw or thought during the trip. Good luck.

[@arbez101]

Thank you Jordan and Roland. Its an absolute privilege to hear this wonderful, probing, revealing interview.

[@XyZiid]

You are influencing me in Yemen 🇾🇪, thank you, sir

[@badgerlife9541]

This is what the internet is all about! ❤️ Jordan Peterson has fans all over the world 🌍🦞

[@CoreofShane]

Jordan, this episode literally gripped me. Thank you so much for this. I hope you continue interviewing people who deal more with these abstract and existential topics! It seems to me that you come alive when these profound topics are discussed. That's the best we as an audience can hope for!! Thank you!

[@niteshj_]

100% agree!

[@thomasharries716]

Jordan was on top-form for this discussion. I Haven’t seen him this intense and absorbed in a conversation for a long time! You can really tell that this topic of psychedelics has been on his mind for some time.

[@sumayyabhorat790]

This has been an extremely fascinating discussion, as a practicing Muslim psychologist , searching for the role of the Soul in psychology, it seems to me that this psychedelic is fostering experiences that point to an experience of the Soul, with limited aspects of the material self involved... its also quite apparent how both speakers are trying sooo, sooo hard to keep it 'scientific' when the truth seems to be that it's implications lie in the spiritual aspect of our existence... completely fascinating for me to watch... Thank you for this enlightening discussion

[@Photosynthesislove]

:)

[@jessemontano762]

I would totally read your book, if you would write one..... That is interesting, the soul....

[@pebblepicassos]

Brilliantly said! Very difficult to describe in words, the lessons of the eternal (eternal as in time, not in a God sense). They are experiential, so the words just dance around the frame as they do with art. Much of this fascinating conversation is technical, avoiding deep dives into the subjective experiences of subjects. I was taught by an extraordinarily powerful plant.... I went with questions that I hoped to have answered... Instead I was introduced to source, evolution and my position as only a single aperture of the whole. I left my body, and it was hard to remember how to swallow water when required. At one point the body could not swallow food. I developed a serious appreciation of the subtle nuances of life, the effort it had taken to evolve to this level, whereby one might enjoy any number of nice tasting tea's, or flowers, or soft furnishings ad infinitum. My experience was 10 hours, the first few were absolutely wonderful, fascinating! I wasn't told about the universe.... I was shown. My Shamen was able to describe exactly what I was seeing and move within this alien realm beside me. I was deeply aware that I had lived forever, as have we all..... And that our little ego's provided different perspectives to enable source to see the conundrums from as many perspectives as possible. Unfortunately we all forgot we were source though... It's funny if I think about it now.... How silly that we all forget and think of ourselves as individuals. After the event my entire nervous system was reset. My senses were like that of a newborn.... Music blew my mind for weeks!!! I couldn't stop listening to music, especially tribal rhythms. Tastes were sensational.... I took a while to process what I had experienced. It was almost a year ago now and I'm still learning from the experience. I should mention that during the experience I also spent what felt like 2 years dying under a bridge in Calkuta. I've never been there and it was a very difficult experience. But afterwards it made me deeply grateful for the numerous material and social luxuries we enjoy today. Profound and easily the most extraordinary experience in 45 years on planet Earth 🌍

[@christopherfisher128]

I love the genuine amusement Dr. Griffiths has when Jordan goes off on his tangents.

[@mikethewise2000]

@@TBilliards Or, not everyone is a psychopath that over-analyzes minute behavior in everyday social interaction, and the Dr. just found the ideas truly enjoyable to consider.

[@shamicentertainment1262]

@@TBilliards you can tell by the way he speaks he is a more gentle type of person so I don't think his laughter was anything to do with appearance.

[@mvoulgaropoulos]

hmm, i took it as the good doctor hoping Jordan would address the questions instead of posing them

[@georgesmajerus3272]

The guy nows and is amusded by some guy wanting to know it al and not willing to trie the "sacrament". Its like asking the tast of weed or the Apple. What worries jp 150,is that the red anti Vietnam hippies could have a insithe. LOL

[@georgesmajerus3272]

@The Insufferable Tool jp150 has no bals and goes after topiks that requer some courage.he wants it al for nothing. This man is not serious. He is not even a us. He tels shit. If cia tels him to shut up he will .the other person is humble. Go to EROWID he should have sad. On music he is a little "have you seen me " . Never do this expériences in hospitals. And not in présence of People like 150qi. Maria sabina stopt here médicale after the idiots came by. Honestly after listening 150qi again i think he will finish in H.P. He should continue reding HARRY POTTER. 5 GRAMMES OF WHAT MUSHROOM ? are al diferent. This is a sham. MR ZACK ZACK.

[@andrewchiasson1492]

The topics discussed in this podcast could potentially be the most important things ever discussed by human beings. I don’t even know what to make of this. Absolutely mind boggling

[@biddydibdab9180]

This discussion is as mind blowing as I imagine a psilocybin trip to be. Since I have cancer, I plan to take a trip while I’m able and that is my motivation for watching this.

[@Beederda]

I really hope you made the trip with mushrooms and i hope you beat that cancer.

[@biddydibdab9180]

@@Beederda Thank you! I haven’t done the trip yet but I’m six months past the time they gave me and I’m doing fine. I will try to find a guide for the trip if I feel I’m going downhill. Thanks for the support.

[@Beederda]

@@biddydibdab9180 you dont need a guide you just need yourself! 😊 brew some tea and as soon as you take the tea bag out you put 3 caps and 2stems i used golden teachers as there a medium potency. If you live in Canada you can order them from most online weed websites. But tea with honey and steep the mushrooms in the tea after the bag is removed very important so that it doesn’t absorb the mushrooms lol you don’t really need to chew them i do i also use water to wash them down so i don’t gag and i sorta make sure i am in a safe place before you do them so in your own home i like to sit in the porch and watch nature as i let the mushrooms talk to my inner monologue and dont resist or be afraid tears are expected to fall just let the full effect take place it only last almost exactly 5 hours higher doses will go longer but not for me so far. But i also do them with no outside interference other people can ruin the experience as it should be experienced you are the only guide to yourself and I believe this cause when i had other people around it forsure ruined the effects. But after the trip you will be left with a few days to maybe longer of blissful intrigue i find myself able to organize my thoughts better after for days i just have that 1000 mile stare

[@biddydibdab9180]

@@Beederda WOW! Thank you for this. I’ve heard/read that to fully experience perspective changing effects you had to have a guide to navigate through a terrifying encounter with a demon type of entity. I do live in Canada and have looked at various types of mushrooms available online but really haven’t been able to decide on a path forward. I find it pretty inspiring that reportedly George Harrison and David Bowie didn’t fear death at all and I’m sure it was due to their experiences with psychedelic drugs.

[@Beederda]

@@biddydibdab9180 well that “demon” or “dragon” as some class it only come from my understanding of Terrance mackinna’s 5 gram “heroic dose” that allows you to “defeat” the dragon/demon. I haven’t made that step yet but am working on other personal issues with lower doses. My advice is stick with one trial dose. don’t go any more than 3 grams but measures of 3caps and 2stems ratios for best results you aren’t going to see any figures but more of “lines melting” always remember to “go with the flow” never resist and embrace the “mushroom mumble” ask questions speak the answers outloud. Thats why its best done alone imo cause its your personal experience and battles to make sense of 😊 orange juice also kills the high ive been told so I always have some in the fridge as a “just in case” moment but even in that moment i know to “let it happen, let it flow” you will be okay as long as you’re planted in a chair looking at the wall or I suggest the stucco roof if you have one 🤙 so i guess knowing you won’t physically die from the experience and have a metaphorical safty net in orange juice and knowing it ends in 5 hours you can safely go through it by yourself and one more thing I found almost essential is the weed hoot mid way through say 2-3 hour mark slows the “closing” of the 3rd eye pineal gland so the after effects remain. So picture yourself doing 1 single blink that takes 5 hours from close to open back to close. But that hoot slows that down so you can sorta squint like looking through the crack in a fence for the next few days the “visual” effects are gone but the eye is still squinting and your thoughts almost become 4d lol it’s profound and beautiful hard to explain but just fear never 👍

[@averagestudent9070]

I am not much articulate person, i am very grateful to you sir(JP) for your presence. Thank you!

[@sonikgoat]

Dr Peterson with Graham Hancock would be such a wonderful conversation. Two men looking closely at the same phenomena from very different starting points, two men who have had their own life altering experiences of their mortality. Two profoundly good men. who have been often deliberately mischaracterised but who care deeply and passionately about the human experience and its potential significance.

[@ethantoth5770]

This is the kind of video that makes me wish I could give it a thumbs up multiple times.

[@castromoore4476]

I can't find a source anywhere for any good psychedelics in my area, I suffer some pretty bad depression and i got a chance to try K and man it was a miracle substance, I felt free, the only high or euphoria was from the relief of my vices being released, that's exactly what it did

[@gigssloan745]

The psychedelic experience is temporary but many people have permanent results.

[@omegalin6972]

My first shrooms trip was really awesome, it felt like i was deep into the sea

[@timpeter3111]

I had 3.5grams dried lemon tek most beautiful experience ever!

[@PedroLucas-oc3wk]

Mushrooms completely turned my life around my anxiety and panic attack disappeared and my personality changed into a much more generous and loving person

[@divinakate9710]

/Malachi_tripp/ Got psych's

[@stephensee5417]

"re-writing the underlying operating system" That's a perfect analogy.

[@martymcfryl0l]

Terence McKenna

[@shaneheavy67]

Hits the nail on the head.

[@ryanchalmers7260]

I am so glad the sheer peculiarity of the psychedelic experience was not lost on these brilliant men. They get it. This stuff brings up the big philosophically existential questions. It is the biggest mystery on our planet and in our lives... Thank you!!

[@barbarayorkwoodside3716]

What a lovely spirit your guest has. I wasn't familiar with him but I feel like he has such heart-felt wisdom based on his studies. Thank you for bringing him on board.

[@MarkOTSC]

I tried mushrooms a few times, but I get the most idiotic headaches/migraines the day after,... don’t combine it with other substances, happens at low and higher doses. anyone who knows what might be happening there ?

[@antonylinteau3408]

@@MarkOTSC probably just a coincidence. Drink lots of water, no alcohol during and sleep well after your trip, it should be fine.

[@M.Mchale]

I bought your book from a book store in Wells, Somerset in the UK, Your first book was given to me as a gift at a party in Amsterdam. I appreciate your work very much. Thankyou.

[@landscapesforlearning82]

Literally just finished writing a paper on psilocybin for my final course in psychopharmacology! Amazing work in this field!!

[@PokeeIs]

What is the most improvement revelation you have had studying psilocybin in academia?

[@markupton1417]

Mushrooms are amazing in many ways...even the ones that don't make you trip....

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

lol JP lowkey trying to get tips for his trip playlist 😂

[@SmokeyJoe4991]

@Christopher Norris Death Grips on acid was a experience. I loved it. Walking through fear.

[@renlo77]

Banco de Gaia - Last train to Lhasa is a must on a trip ;)

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

@@renlo77 *jots that down

[@thelobsterking1055]

Government plates with shrooms was great.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

@@SmokeyJoe4991 intense af

[@DanielTorres-ep5dc]

All I need is a conversation from Jordan Peterson, Rupert Sheldrake, and Richard Tarnas and my life would be complete. My all time favorite intellectuals. Love this stuff

[@ryanceros9510]

Sheldrake is cool. I gottta check out Tarnas still

[@MarcoBoneMan]

Ooh Peterson and Sheldrake would be a fascinating discussion

[@RogerWilco66]

Oh yeah, Sheldrake would be awesome, he knows Terence McKenna well, also personally. Gabor Maté also would be an interesting partner for a conversation.

[@user-kk7bg4md7v]

“The demon” or “dragon” he speaks of in the classic bad trip experience - I believe that this personification imagery is just our consciousness’ way of simplifying those terrifying feelings/emotions with representative memory. A dragon or demon is usually representative of a bad experience in the human experience, and so in order to explain and rationalize what we feel during a psychedelic experience, our minds simplify it by saying “oh I saw an evil demon that wouldn’t leave me alone” when in actuality the evil demon is just our consciousness reflecting on itself so deeply that it becomes terrified of what it sees.

[@boouyayme]

Yes and that can only happen because of the religious theology that is ingrained in dogma

[@nhr_etc]

Yeah I totally agree with this assessment. It's unfortunately common for the uninitiated to hear these sensationalised stories and manifest this "demon" during their first trip, simply through their expectations of the experience. They might have thoughts along the lines of "this is a bit unfamiliar and somewhat scary, this must be the demon they were talking about, why is he forcing me to live through these thoughts", inadvertently warping their experience and falsely attributing some kind of malicious intent and "otherness" to the products of their own mind. This usually ends up creating unnecessary internal resistance that breaks their trust in the experience, amplifying all kinds of delusional paranoias, and creating a very uncomfortable and terrifying headspace. I think it's best to go into the experience expecting to communicate with nothing more than one's own subconscious desires, traumas, and embedded beliefs. To fully identify with the experience is to affirm one's internal sense of agency and control.

[@coldsteel.and.courage]

I get the vibe you haven't seen these things. Sentient "beings" that were impossible in their form are there in unique realms of light and abstractions that simultaneously exist with world scapes that could be here on Earth in stark contrast to the beings of light and sacred geometry inhabiting it.

[@sadhu7191]

No the beings can have data u don't have. People speak in tongues, I've seen ufo they said they had helped earth form. It's what people go to church for

[@Z0mb13ta11ahase]

@@boouyayme lol what?

[@Jayako12]

His beard is back!! It is confirmed that his humour has a Samson-like nature, he has it as long as he has his beard!

[@renaissancestatesman]

It comes and goes. This was filmed around Good Friday he said.

[@solaveritas2]

@@renaissancestatesman Yeah it's gone again. Sadly. I love the beard, it's so badass, lol

[@lizzieck2576]

I love the beard 😍

[@geoffburton822]

And his hair seems to be thicker than it was a couple of years ago. No?

[@GeoFreako]

This is the single most valuable 2 hour discussion I have come across on KZbin.

[@janetwhite7786]

@@ajb7786 How about you let Theo Douwes decide what is valuable to Theo Douwes? Geez!

[@goredoll]

JBP is a gift to us all. So happy he is back. He has helped me attempt to get off Xanax after almost 7 years.

[@TheFire-fq8fx]

Check the "Benzo Brains" channel on youtube. They have valuable information about tapering and other stuff. What also might interest you and be helpful after complete cessation of use is Ashwagandha.

[@MrMattttthill]

Did you get off? @goredoll

[@goredoll]

@@MrMattttthill almost. Started in January and down to a tiny dose now at night instead of 3 times a day. Not pleasant but worth it.

[@MrMattttthill]

@@goredoll nice. Any tips? Feels impossible right now

[@goredoll]

@@MrMattttthill I wish I had tips. I just got so fed up I started dropping one dose at a time, I got agitated and awful insomnia but I’ve been lucky I could do it. I’m all over the place mentally and emotionally. Feel everything a million times worse and my anxiety has gone sky high. There is no easy way to get off them unfortunately. How long have you been stuck on them?

[@angtxsun4460]

Your passion, curiosity, and openness regarding this research and your discussions with one another is refreshing. It is truly inspiring to hear the voices of grown men in their element with the excitement and questioning of small children as they explore the world. Thank you, the sense of wonder and mutual respect for ideas and understanding is a lesson for all of us in walking bravely into the new and unknown.

[@OG-dungeon-skeleton]

The mushrooms are a strange thing. If you can't let go of your ego, they will show you exactly what's wrong with you and why your ego holds you back. And if you can let go of your ego, they will show you the potential you have to integrate the absolute beauty of life and joy and everything and how to integrate with yourself and in turn, back into your ego. It's almost the perfect lesson.

[@Ivkovifi]

how does one know whether he can let go of his ego beforehand?

[@pseudopetrus]

I like mushrooms on my pizza, my stomach feels joy!

[@Japanda92]

@@Ivkovifi You don't

[@skyluke9476]

@@Ivkovifi would it be ok if you found out you have a huge ego and are a bit of an asshole? If you say yes, you probably dont have an unhealthy ego, if NO, you probably have a bit of a strong ego. Atleast in my experience :) But even asking that question is probably a good sign

[@RockHudrock]

Good explanation

[@Back2Humanity]

The question "what the hell is going on here?" must be the most sciencey science that ever scienced. Im loving this podcast.

[@regather59]

For me this is one of Dr Peterson's best. All of his thoughts help the conversation and carry wisdom. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

[@seanfitzgerald4207]

love JP's idea of a high-dosage psilosybin experiment set in a cathedral with mass ceremony being enacted along with music

[@davyroger3773]

Leary (Or Ram Dass) already tried a similar experiment with students in a church

[@da-p6814]

Sounds like a Judeo-Christian version of Amazonian ceromonies. Beautiful idea

[@admiralsunshine]

This is possibly the conversation I have been anticipating most since I discovered Dr. Peterson

[@ДмитрийПрохоров-д9и]

Everybody knows how eloquently JP can speak, but man... His questions in this dialogue was the killer ones. Several times i even paused the video to fully appreciate them)

[@Iamthepossum]

There were so many amazing insights to unpack here. Dr Griffith’s admonition to remain curious during the experience, and query characters you meet along the way what meaning they represent as reflections of our unconscious is so similar to lucid dream work; wherein the dreamer has the opportunity to develop the same inner dialogue with his dream characters if he can ground & maintain his lucidity. I am considering a large dose of cubensis to work with trauma & alcoholism; and wonder if I could use lucid dream work to try to “strengthen” my ability to stay grounded during my upcoming psychedelic experience, to help dispel any anxiety or fear I expect to experience. I really appreciate how Dr Griffiths was careful to advise those using psychedelics to not become angry or confrontational with their demonic or dark psychedelic characters, as that apparently derails the experience into an internal struggle. As that might likely be my reaction, I am very grateful for his careful explanation here to endeavor to “stay curious” as much as possible throughout the experience. If I’m not able to accomplish this on lucid dreams before my “trip”, perhaps I can attempt something similar during meditation to push that intention deep into my psyche. Another comment or question I have is regarding the synthetic psilocybin that Hopkins is using. I wonder if mushrooms in their natural state have other compounds which add dimensionality, positive or negative, to the experience; similar to Cannabis’s so-called “entourage effect” via multiple cannabinoids, terpenes, etc.

[@MattRoadhouse]

I doubt synth has the connection that the entheogen fungi has Safe environment in my opinion can be aided by cleanliness. Make sure you clean your place. Clean your mind (no drinking the day before) and try and meditate or minimally deep breathing exercises. Long slow exhales focus on solar plexus. Use your diaphragm. Cleanse your body during the uncomfortable come-up phase. Well-timed shower can aid in relaxation as well. Fresh fruit tray for later. Make sure to ground outside if you can. I stay clear of electronic (blue screen) when on high doses, at least for the first while. Pictures and stuff can seed the unconscious mind and be recycled during closed eye visuals Best of luck!! Micro-dosing may help for some of your concerns, but the bigger trips can be quite a massive shift in perception. 10000' view Sometimes we're too close to the trees to see the forest :)

[@Iamthepossum]

@@MattRoadhouse Thank you so much for taking the time to share your insights & feedback, Byakko! This is super helpful. take care

[@MattRoadhouse]

@@Iamthepossum Much Love on your journey !

[@GlutesEnjoyer]

I haven't listened yet but I would like to mention I absolutely loved Jordan's stance on psychodelics that he posed with Tim Ferris - that something that can have a substantive change in a fundamental psychological trait (openness) after only one dose and that change can last FOREVER shouldn't be taken lightly is a fantastic point. That openness isn't necessarily a good thing if you're already extremely open.

[@davyroger3773]

Extremely high openness isnt inherently bad, it depends on what other traits its interacting with specifically neuroticism and extroversion

[@GlutesEnjoyer]

@@davyroger3773 absolutely, just as it isn't inherently good either! Many (myself included, at one time) ignorantly adopted the philosophy that if everyone took these drugs and became more open that the world would be a better place. Like Tim Ferris proposed. Which isn't necessarily true at all!

[@MrHandoman123210]

Literally had to stop everything, run into a private room, get my best speakers and best screen to watch this immediately.

[@GeoFreako]

Same.

[@DestatiJacob]

Don’t forget lighting a joint! 😁( although not necessary AT ALL)

[@MrHandoman123210]

@@vv7299 didn’t happen with any of the other ones, I was considering being a professional researcher for a few years, just a deep interest in the topic! + pretty sure if there was one every day I’d get bored :p

[@joev.8543]

"There isn't a tremendous amount of space between classical music and religious music." It could quite validly be proposed that all music is religious in some sense. From a symbolic perspective, the religious experience is essentially the main function of music and has been used as such in innumerable cultures across time. Music is an ode to the most high, in one way or another.

[@ShaynAlmeida]

Coming up at the end of 2021 & this is now my 3rd time watching this particular episode because it is IMO the best episode of the year. For so many reasons, and on so many levels, Thank you both. Random viewing could cause global awakening; share good content ;)

[@penndragon22]

Just came in and posted the same comment after my third listen. Fascinating.

[@0ptixs]

That prerecorded clip promoting his book juxtaposed to his current self really shows how far and how strong JP has become. But other than that, what an interesting conversation I really hope to see more research in that field, sounds so interesting

[@davidbrook9686]

This is my favorite podcast ever. I am aspiring to do psychedelic therapy in 5 years or so after I get my masters and perhaps PhD and set myself up a bit better financially. I hope one day to burst into this world through that arena. Thank you for this podcast it gave me much to reflect and think on for my own points.

[@stclairej]

Same

[@nicolewheat5564]

I love you Jordan you saved my life. Thank you and Jesus

[@wayneswords288]

This is the kind of talk that everyone should be able to listen to.. Jordan very well done for being you. To be able to articulate in ease, for anybody to understand everything you talk about is brilliance. Thankful very much for your mind.

[@CalebMadrigal]

I’ve been wondering how long it would be for Jordan to talk more on the psychedelic topic. Glad the time has come.

[@patientlywatching7775]

The Time Has Come. You said it my man!!! It's far beyond time to integrate this into society. The entire human race needs the energy available here if we want to evolve. U c what is meaningless n what is important.

[@Snibble]

Imagine J.P. trying to do laughing meditation at home.. and failing.. f@cking terrifying on all levels!!!

[@infinitedurr]

🤣

[@knockda887]

We need more of this - humanity needs to focus on this

[@nicholasdeangelis3695]

For the past 9 years I have been learning Shamanism and its use for healing. I recently started to become certified as a sacred plant medicine sitter, and I will become a facilitator to master facilitator in the coming years. Thank you Dr. Peterson for this. I am thinking about merging my studies and getting a masters in psychology so I can use these skills in therapy. I think that there is a promising future in healing with sacred plant medicines afflictions that would be normally thought of as uncurable. I transcended 17 years of depression with shamanism and the use of sacred plant medicines. From my understanding is there is no miracle pill and it takes dedicated decision , engagement, and work to move beyond it.

[@joshshumway1971]

This was one of those podcasts that I wish was about 4 or 5 hours longer. Thank you!

[@thelairdknows2389]

What a distinct pleasure it was to hear a highly intelligent, well-read, and broadly knowledgeable person converse with, and pose questions, to a psychedelic researcher with decades of experience! They went so much deeper into the topic than you ordinarily get on KZbin videos. This was a rare discussion, and I hope that they will soon make a sequel.

[@jamescoates3382]

I started watching and listening to Jordan at 2 million subscribers, it’s nearly 4 million now. Keep going sir, the world is now a beautiful place. 4 million thank you’s from me….Thank you JP