Most catamaran sailors are making these mistakes

[@Mitoa]

There’s a lot of KZbin channels that clown on boaters making mistakes. I appreciate this is constructive and positive, we don’t know anything about these people and it’s cool of them to share their videos, I appreciate these brave sailors and joes thoughtfulness in diagnosing the situations. You’re very kind and nonjudgmental, what a great attitude we can all use more of!

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks very much. I'm glad that the videos are hitting the spot.

[@chrisbeauchamp5563]

Love that quote “been at risk of a sense of humour failure” That’s gold mate

[@JoyriderTV]

Nobody needs that, especially when it's meant to be fun!

[@jimjumbuka4161]

I think I've made every one of these mistakes in my early days. I wish we had an awesome guy like Joe back then. Merry Christmas all

[@JoyriderTV]

Ha! Yes, that makes you a true cat sailor!!

[@gregcongdon9888]

Joe you are awesome man!!! Thank you for making this. Not fun to flip but so much to learn from our mistakes. Thanks for your commitment to this sport and your willingness to put these videos and commentary together.

[@JoyriderTV]

Cheers Greg, thanks for trusting me with your footage!

[@nicolasmejia1736]

Suuuuper entertaining and useful to learn and be prepared. Perhaps I'll relive a good amount of the mistakes in the video, but good to know why they happen, what to do and perhaps try to prevent the root causes

[@JoyriderTV]

Yes, hopefully it can help.

[@pjhandle]

These videos and your commentary are gold. Extremely usefull. Thanks everyone for sharing 🙏

[@JoyriderTV]

Glad you like them!

[@feedingravens]

This is like revisiting all my years at Wildwind... We had almost the same also on a Hobie 18, we were flying a hull but I was not yet uneasy when my crew fell into the boat exactly as in the video. And like here, to my surprise after losing so much counterweight, I could keep the boat upright (what told me that I was halfway right with my estimation that it was not yet so critical) Pitchpole over the bow - I remember when Joe said "You are the first one I have deen pitchpoling over both both while going UPWIND". Jibing the Hobie 16 with a wide open main was always an adventure, trying to coordinate your tiller, feeling when the mainsheet goes soft (to shift) while trying to hear the "woosh" from the bow diggin in to yank it out again. Therefore I usually preferred to tack the 16. But since I mostly sail the Tiger also in high winds and have incorporated Joe's "Speed is your friend", I found that at least with this type of cat you should push as hard as you can to take all the speed into the tack, without any sheeting out - and you just go smoothly round. Important is probably that you go round swift that you do not slow down much in the maneuver. The faster you are the less power has the wind from the back. Once on race day, suddenly an even for Wildwind atypically strong wind set in with a massive shift, but we managed to notice it in time and fought our way around the course as the only boat left. It somehow worked out, and after we were over the finish line we thought we could take it a little more easy now, easy meaning slower - and promptly capsized My impression is when you are driving it real hard, you can push the Tiger until the bow deck is flush with the water or even a few cms below the surface - the water is just thrown up and to the side. But when you get too slow, and the water is able (has time) to converge over the bow - that is like a rail - downward. We are talking about the high tens to be safe. And I have also been dragged along like these two, really nasty (and you are happy that the rescue boat will come and help you). On the Tiger you can push with your foot against the daggerboard, that saves a lot of power for the start. I then pull myself up a little on the trapeze (if it is not yet there that you can get at it, then move it there), then I try to get a foot in the crossbeam, turn round so that I can push my back up on the deck, pushing with my feet off from the dolphin striker or the spinnaker boom, then turn round again so that I am with the breast on the deck. Very recommendable to find your own best sequence when the boat is on the mooring and not under the stress "if you do not make it, you will be lost at sea". What can also help is a line from the dolphin striker diagonal to the bridle wire fastening, held tight and up by a bungee e.g. to the other bridle fastening. That is low, easy to reach and pull down and lean on it, giving you rest and time to work out how to proceed. I know I babble all the time, but maybe sometime someone has that (unconsciously) in the back of his head when such a situation occurs, and it helps him to save the situation. Then it was worth it.

[@antoning3605]

your comments is certainly helpful ! thanks

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks for that Stefan, always good to hear your point of view.

[@declan8649]

Great examples to learn from. Certainly will take away the mainsheet advice. I need to consider this more often, as I tend to set and forget the traveller. Thanks Joe. Merry Christmas.

[@JoyriderTV]

Glad it was helpful! Happy Christmas!

[@robertosgood961]

It really helps to have a camera recording as well. As I continue to learn on my H16, the review later shows me what was being done. Then I compare it with your sage advice. Thanks for a great video, these are really helpful.

[@JoyriderTV]

Great to hear! Yes, the camera never lies! and, you get to relive your session afterwards - getting even more from your time on the water,

[@JoyriderTV]

Some epic moments here!

[@Beerescuemaui]

Good stuff here ! More practice required ! Headed out today after the storm. Gonna be 10+ onshore which is nice !

[@JoyriderTV]

Some easy slight changes to your technique could save a few swims!

[@Konfliktloeser]

Thanx for sharing and posting ... entertainment combined with learning and teaching Happy Christmas to All the catsailors out there ... Stay safe and healthy

[@JoyriderTV]

Happy Christmas Max!

[@chrisbeauchamp5563]

Great video Joe these break down ones are really good. Hope you’re recovering nicely

[@JoyriderTV]

Glad you like them! Feeling better every day, thanks

[@cuxolli]

Thanx, I wish you a nice Christmas with your family

[@JoyriderTV]

Same to you!

[@robertoaprile2325]

Great job, Joe!!

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks!

[@PengPengPengPengPengPeng]

I bloody love these videos!

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks very much - they're really fun to put together.

[@franckbrunie4759]

Waouh. Expert advice... I did quite some riding on HC 16 and 18, but I struggle doing all the aftermath of these mistakes... where is the book to be read beforehand?

[@JoyriderTV]

The book is on its way - in the meantime, the videos will have to be enough.

[@benhuot6852]

Again and again your videos are.. top notch, one problem, the hobie cat was a fast boat but it was not well design being so touchy. 3:42. look how fat crap is happening

[@JoyriderTV]

However, it's sometimes the design quirks of earlier boats that make them 'interesting' to sail?

[@abrahamjones1892]

My $0.02 (US) on the H20 capsize. Crew and skipper should've stood on bows to allow the boat to pivot and swing around into the wind. I have a H20 that I campaign in Arizona and Mexico. Some days I campaign better than others but I digress :-) When I go over me and the crew climb up onto the submerged bow, hold onto the bridal and wait for the boat to pivot. The jib and main will start trying to fly and that's when it's time to right the boat. That helps right the boat and it comes up into the wind. Boards up downwind helps it skid sideways when the main comes across. Too much weather helm in the rig? When that happens to me I yank the tiller to me, skipper, to force the boat to fall off. Splitting hairs but the downhaul didn't look right. The tack of the main should be in the mast sail track not free. Finally, in nasty wind and waves I will stop gybing and only tack. A good tack won't will a race but a bad gybe can lose one Great videos! Happy New Year 🙂

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks very much for your input. Very useful.

[@dndamian]

Great one!

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks!

[@robertzeeland]

Dope channel! Sub'd, Joe! Best, Rob^^

[@JoyriderTV]

Awesome, thank you!

[@dancarter482]

Wondered if "Greg" could have adjusted the rudders from the water to round-up into irons ?

[@JoyriderTV]

possibly - once at the back of the boat and you can get a hand on the rudder. That could have helped.

[@dancarter482]

@@JoyriderTV Potential drowning situation there - like being dragged into a storm drain. Heading up would certainly reduce forces.

[@antoning3605]

I am wondering what had happened after capsizing in the last video where both of them appeared to be in the quite nasty zone - under the main sail, especially yhe chance of fully inverted.

[@JoyriderTV]

Yes, I didn't see what happened next. When ever faced with that situation, it's get out from that space as quickly as possible.

[@eddrm4685]

Merry Christmas

[@JoyriderTV]

Same to you!

[@NzAviator]

I'm really struggling to get my hobie 16 to point upwind. If I go closer than about 60 degrees from the wind the boat pretty much just stops.

[@JoyriderTV]

I'll talk about what might help in today's Q+A

[@NzAviator]

@Joseph Bennett awesome thank you so much. Not only for talking about it but everything else you do for the hobie/cat community.

[@jonathonhazelton2060]

Capasizing in a small boat is only bad in racing when you lose time.

[@JoyriderTV]

Yes, unless the water is cold or a bit too sharky!!

[@benhuot6852]

the main mistake, they pushing the boat to hard... behind their comprehension of the : RISK and the wind. They want to go fast and have a trill at the risk of loosing their life. Plain stupid.

[@JoyriderTV]

Yes, regardless of how much you want to push it, safety should be the primary concern.

[@frbo323]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks!!!

[@googlefanNOLONGERPOSTING]

Eww 🤢

[@JoyriderTV]

ahhh!

[@navalgazingatcampdavid]

Loved the episode! Took me back to sailing in the lake as a teen. Just subscribed. Using my channel to convince my wife on a live aboard. @NavalGazingatCampDavid

[@JoyriderTV]

Great stuff. Good luck with convincing your wife!!!