Josh Allen ‘is going to win MVP,' Should Saquon Barkley chase the record? | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST

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[@Aminah6623]

Wait, so you get dismissed for MVP consideration if you have help? The MVP is a joke. Give it to Lamar every year. Nobody cares. There are no real criteria. Lamar has a lot of help but he's in the MVP race. Goff has help and he's not a consideration. What? So your team should win, with no good players to be an MVP prospect? Nonsense.

[@ericwallen]

Its turning towards a running backs game again... The league has created defenses with smaller faster guys to cover the passing game, and great runners are starting to shine... Once the league shifts back to heavy run stopping linebackers, running backs should shine for a bit.

[@ret-huckleberry]

If the Bills had Pat and the Chiefs had Josh. Josh would have rings and Pat would not. Stop acting like Pat is the best QB. He's not nor will he ever be. Brady goes from one team to another wins a Super Bowl. Pat never ever will. Notice they have never had this talking piece and never will because it would dismantle any credit you could give to Pat.

[@lm6487]

Most people didn't think the Bill's would be good because of the supporting cast around Josh. Meanwhile most people thought the Vikings wouldn't be good because of Darnold, his supporting case is elite. The fact that he's doing good IS Because of the cast, not as much because he's a great player. That doesn't diminish his success, but it does hurt the MVP argument for him.

[@ericwallen]

@ you sound disgruntled, bud, but Tom going to Tampa Bay with a super team around him, isn’t saying a whole lot

[@murilotheodoro5025]

Every time Wildes goes "gotta be in the mix" is a 50/50 on whether he's being serious or not. He might actually be both

[@ODJNATION]

He definitely does it for tv I convinced myself that a while ago

[@ok-bb7xu]

That's the genius of KW, always playing devils advocate. Classic.

[@apecentury228]

he's def be serious

[@UserTNumbers]

@@ok-bb7xu It gets old quick though

[@dylanwyatt-brown3624]

​@UserTNumbers it's just doesn't tho

[@DekuMight45]

Derrick Henry is more of a testament to Running Back longevity with the fact that he’s near 2K and he’s 30 in a week.

[@ShinefortheCam]

U think he will get that when he's 31? 32?

[@Barryejoh]

​@@ShinefortheCam if he plays for Baltimore next year he will get 1400 yds easily yes.

[@dmholman]

Wild part is that if Monken had figured out how to use Henry before Week 3, he'd probably already be at 2k yards. Henry and Barkley are avg the exact yds/carry so far this year too (5.8). People want to focus on Henry helping Lamar, not many talking about the fact that every RB that has played with Lamar since he became starter (with, I think, the exception of Kenyan Drake) has increased their success rate around 10-15% regardless of OC or OL. That's not a coincidence.

[@Barryejoh]

@@dmholman yeah Fam. I came up with that 1400 yards just if Henry only ran the ball 250 times next year but gets 5.5 yds a carrier because of the offensive scheme.

[@davidmurray6954]

It's because of Lamar!

[@michaelconnor3560]

Lamar 2023 MVP: stats don't matter, its about the record. Lamar 2024 MVP: record doesn't matter, its about the stats.

[@pmc9593]

Didn’t ravens have the best record in the league last year? I mean Josh doesn’t even have the best record in his conference playing in the worst division and last year Lamar had everyone hurt on offense with the best record dominating a bunch of playoff teams last year as Josh has a losing record vs playoff teams including a blowout loss to the ravens this year. Let’s add some context to your argument

[@bpnation37]

Lamar only won last year because nobody really had impressive stats like that and his team was so dominant. He wouldn't have been in the running if guys had seasons like they had this year

[@Brandon-li4nk]

Josh 2023 stats matter Josh 2024 stats dont matter

[@krw73]

EXACTLY.

[@erikeggleston2870]

@@pmc9593 better record is Allen. Has a worse roster, was picked 3rd in the division pre-season, and they also beat #1 chiefs and #1 lions. Josh is MVP this year.

[@jgberzerker]

Saquon has to get a bump for putting up these numbers in the passing era with the RB position at it's lowest valuation ever.

[@charlesrupp3976]

If it’s at its lowest valuation ever then why should he win it? Or even get a bump.

[@jviewer99]

True

[@jviewer99]

@@charlesrupp3976you missed the point genius lmao

[@SwaggerIsAVirtue]

“Value” would have been fine…

[@hart_ov_a_lionleo6776]

@@charlesrupp3976just because the money value of a running back is low doesn’t take away from what he’s doing. In this era of football, no running backs are getting 2000 yards that often.

[@tristenvarney8777]

Darnold being eliminated from MVP conversation based on his previous seasons is completely unjust

[@vinnievinnie-sj5kr]

Nah he’s just not as good or valuable as saquon Lamar and Allen

[@veodavis1808]

He was supposed to be there back up QB - so he is more valuable and it's not about who is better because if that was the case it would be a boring debate because Mahomes would win it- and this season he's been as a good as anyone in the league Josh Lamar Barkley - and to play the what if game isn't fair to any of them - Josh plays the weakest division so there's an argument his number should be better he also had an historical bad game Lamar has a couple bad losses where you can blame the defense but his fingerprints are on the loss as well - the award has become too media driven and narrative focus

[@Warcodered01]

Darnold is eliminated because he has 5 fewer TDs and twice as many picks and twice as many fumbles lost.

[@bradleymiller6141]

@Warcodered01 it's really a si.ple argument. If Darnold plays in Josh's circumstances is he as good as Josh? No Kevin OConnell, no JJ, no Hockenson, etc. Same for Burrow. And Lamar. Are these guys doing the same things as Josh if their best weapons are Khalil Shakir and James Cook?

[@geraldos9094]

Darnold is actually a better story than Josh. Burrow has a great story also, he’s willing his team into the playoffs. Barkley is on tap to break the single season record. This is what happens when you throw stats and precedent out the window.

[@BigTimeRizOG]

Nick arguing for Darnold when he was so against Purdy last year is nuts

[@scratchpenny]

In that respect, he's like Colin Cowherd. He believes in the system and always seems to have grace for the high draft picks and made guys. He goes after any guy who doesn't align with his narrative.

[@micah.1009]

Tbh I'd rather darnold win over josh.

[@advancedstupidity5459]

Darnold lit it up when Jefferson and Addison were out and his WR1 was Jalen Nailor. Hockenson was out for half the season as well, and Aaron Jones is no CMC. He also doesn't have Trent Williams protecting his blindside. The Vikings are not a 49ers-esque super team. Put Purdy on this Vikings team and they are not competing for the 1 seed.

[@CSmoothh]

Broussard's grading system is actually a logical way of judging it. With a tweak or two, it should become the standard grading system

[@lennybeason1110]

No it doesn’t because he didn’t add who had the hardest schedule which Lamar smokes all of the other candidates! Lamar’s combined stats are the best in the league. The help argument is weak because he didn’t add in coaching!

[@Stockhandle123]

@@lennybeason1110 that's an insane statement because the bills beat two teams better than anyone Lamar beat and it's not close. Josh did it with nothing around him.

[@CSmoothh]

@@lennybeason1110 1). Lamar has one of the best coaches in the league. 2). Lamar's strength of schedule is up there but so is Jared Goff's because NFC North is one of the hardest conferences in the NFL. 3). Stat wise, Broussard gave Lamar a top score for stats, but his stats weren't great last year, yet he had the biggest impact on his team, so that also should be taken into account for picking a winner this season which would favor Allen. 4). Statistically, Burrow, like Lamar, is having one of the greatest passing seasons in NFL history. So All in all, I don't know what you're complaining about lol

[@levijaroslaw9571]

@@Stockhandle123ravens are 7-3 vs teams over 500 and the bills are 3-3 lol

[@Stockhandle123]

@ the bills are 2-0 vs teams with 15 or more wins. The ravens are 0-2. Lol

[@DevilsWarGameplay]

They all played great this season. I am going with Josh. All I heard all off season into preseason was how the Super bowl window has closed for the Bills. How Josh does not have enough weapons on offense to score points with the elite NFL teams. How the entire team has regressed. Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller from Sirius radio didn't pick the Bills to win the AFC east or make the playoffs. Along with many other Sirius radio hosts. Mad Dog and many ESPN analyst didn't have the Bills winning the east. Rich Eisen, Pat McAfee. Many of the Fox sports shows did not pick the Bills or Josh to make noise in the league. That is why the media has selected Josh Allen. He did more with less.

[@strawhatsanji4985]

The media constantly classifies "having help" as having other popular players on your team.

[@cheerioss-9121]

honestly

[@PesoEdison]

Right like james cook a bad rb😂 amari cooper must be so terrible and dont forget that first round receiver

[@strawhatsanji4985]

James Cook is elite, but he's not popular like Derrick Henry, so he's class as no help. They do the same thing with basketball.

[@GodLikeMikeLive]

It's crazy cuz they all said Henry was too old and washed before the season, but now he's too good and takes away from Lamar 😂 Sports media is a joke and shouldn't be voting on anything in the NFL.

[@scratchpenny]

@@strawhatsanji4985 Yep. It's all just narrative BS. Almost none of these arguments hold up if you do a proper analysis of facts.

[@tannerarmstrong1496]

Here's something that bugs me. There's constantly people complaining that MVP shouldn't be a QB only stat. Those same people then judge QBs on their claim to MVP as if only the traditional QB passing stats matter. An example is Nick hand waving away the 12 rushing TDs Allen has when comparing him to Darnald, and not even listing rushing yards. They want it to be a non-qb exclusive award, then they specifically only focus on passing stats when making decisions.

[@draethereum]

They also say the QB is the most important position too.... This is why we have MVP and OPotY

[@GrimmsHouseofHorror]

@@draethereumchange it to qb of the year then

[@logicalblackman8228]

That’s not really the same thing. It would be like if Saquon had five passing touchdowns and disregarding that.

[@TheSentry603]

What would you do?

[@barrettbritt]

Can we just admit MVP is a QB-exclusive award? If it isn’t, then Saquon should clearly win MVP.

[@kylewade8704]

Eagles probably have 1 or 2 less wins without him tho, u r getting offensive player of the year confused with mvp, mvp is more like who would u want on your team for that year, imagine a team saying ya I’d rather have saquon than Josh Allen

[@mr.castle]

True statement.

[@milokaye5662]

The current Eagles roster made the Super Bowl and almost won it not even 2 years ago without Barkley.

[@rstekcy7967]

No he should have the same odds as Josh and Lamar . He’s not having a better year then them he’s having an equal year .

[@juancalderon8976]

how they lost to the commanders when he rushed for 150 how is that mvp.

[@waltereaddy1722]

It is peculiar how the weapons Lamar currently possesses were once deemed insufficient, and people were insisting that the team needed to acquire a true number one wide receiver. All of a sudden, it is no longer an issue.

[@snipecrossgg4397]

@@waltereaddy1722 They lead the league in separation of all WR groups which is impressive.

[@newagain9964]

@@snipecrossgg4397of course….u do realize teams have to play zone much of time vs Lamar. Because man D, and he’ll torch u…bad.

[@boogidwnej179]

@@newagain9964exactly!!

[@michaelthomas9020]

@@boogidwnej179the seperation isn’t misleading. The Ravens WR corps has the highest “Average Seperation Score” which takes into account the QB buying time and escaping sacks to give the WRs more time. The Ravens WRs are the best at getting seperation regardless of what Lamar does because defenses are forced to stack the box against Henry.

[@sportsfantastic361]

Batemen before his injury was on pass for 1k actually nice flowers to but is a rookie this yr but u see what he doing n Henry everyone said would help Lamar out I didn't hear nobody say Lamar weapons r not good enough

[@antmansales]

Hoang Bi would never take this long to upload

[@MrDeezy314]

Rip🕊️🙏🏾

[@MartinSanchez-sk6zo]

Hoang Bi will never upload again

[@TheRedStateBlue]

@@MartinSanchez-sk6zo which tells us all what we already knew... success sets a bad precedent. be average. lower expectations and applaud mediocrity.

[@jaycobobob]

Y'all are insufferable

[@kidkouga92]

Y'all realize posting about him all the time put a target on his channel

[@James-xz9in]

If Saquon doesn't win after breaking Dickerson's record, then this is a travesty! Just rename the MVP as the Best QB Award by this point. Saquon is set to break a 40 YEAR RECORD! The QBs these years are putting up just another average QB performance year, nothing special, nothing like the 5000 yards 50 TDs we were seeing previously. AND Saquon crushed Lamar when they went up against each other... Enough said. Saquon is MVP, hands down!!

[@barrettbritt]

My thoughts exactly. The QB “MVP season” standard has dropped drastically. It’s proof that MVP has become an award that’s only for quarterbacks.

[@shanepleasants6280]

As a homogeneous Allen fan I 1,000 precent agree plus I’d rather Josh win Super Bowl mvp

[@spicywe1ner]

similar has happened before. Chris Johnson broke yards from scrimmage record with 2506, and lost to a mediocre peyton year. sad part about the titans that year, they went 0-6 until they went 8-2 after swapping QBs

[@OG172.]

Lamar's got insane numbers and crushed Vick's record on Christmas. That being said, if Saquon gets Dickerson's record (which he will) he is clearly the MVP and that will put an end to the discussion!!! 💜🖤

[@kleatise52]

Lamar and Joe burrow are having amazing statistical seasons. But I still want saquan to win

[@ShawnReed-ny1hd]

The mvp award is basically how can we justify not giving it to Lamar again 😂😂

[@skinnymelo]

The MVP award last year was basically how can we rob 4 players who eclipse Lamar statistically and give him the award when he has the worst stats by a winner of the award in this millennium. 😂😂

[@Xb1-w5j]

Huh. He’s won it twice 🤦‍♂

[@elbertrobles8784]

As a Texans fan, I do believe Lamar is the most deserving statistically speaking. Not just because of his 121.6 passer rating, but also because he smoked my Texans🙃, and we gave Josh Allen all kinds of fits when we played him. Having said that, nobody thought the Bills had any chance in the AFC because they had lost a lot of key players in the off-season. Despite that, Josh Allen stepped up and he carried the Bills to the 2nd best record in the AFC. He also gave the best team(Chiefs) in the NFL, their only lost of the season. I don't think you can go wrong either way, but if Josh Allen wins, then I would say it's well deserved.

[@gregorydavid4776]

@@Xb1-w5jand he should probably win it again this year. So they’re talking themselves into voting for Allen. He’s having a great season too so that makes it easier

[@danielthomas-x1j]

I'm a Lamar Jackson fan. HOWEVER! HE IS THE ONLY 2 TIME MVP OF THE LEAGUE WITHOUT A SUPER BOWL VICTORY! !!!!! FIX THIS MAJOR ISSUE LAMAR!!!! STOP THE K.C. TRIFECTA!! LET'S GO!!!

[@jakeequality8065]

4k passing yds....1k rushing yds.....40td passes.....this isn't historical 😂

[@newagain9964]

Unfortunately LJ won’t reach 1k rushing. Again we FOOTBALL FANS were robbed of this feat. He was on pace to do it 2022, 2021 but season ending injuries.

[@DogDongDotCom]

Give Josh those weapons, he will do the same if not better. How many Bills player would start over a ravens on Offense (wr/te/rb)?

[@AwakenedGodsChannel]

​@@DogDongDotCom 😂😂😂 give Lamar the AFC Easy I mean East.

[@jakeequality8065]

@newagain9964 You know Lamar has had 2 1k rushing seasons right? He did it twice in 15 games...had 1200 one year

[@damoneallen1084]

​@AwakenedGodsChannel no one was saying this when Brady was doing the same thing. Also he also beat two of the best teams, the Chiefs and Lions.

[@answeris4217]

What Josh has accomplished in his career so far is insane. -5 straight 40 plus TD seasons (Aaron Rodgers is the only other player to have 5 seasons with over 40 TDs and they were not consecutive) -More rushing TD's than any other Bills player... That includes OJ Simpson and Thurman Thomas two HoF running backs that won MVP's. -More passing TD's than any other Bills QB's... Again includes a HoFer in Jim Kelly -First player in History to throw a TD, Receive a TD and run for one in a game - First player in 60 years to throw for 3 and run for 3 TD's in a game -First and ONLY QB to have a TD on every single drive of a game... And he did it in the Playoffs -Fastest to 150 TD's soon will be the fastest to 200 TD's -8 straight games of 30 or more points... -This year the Bills tied a record for most amount of players with a TD reception. Which includes Josh. -3rd player in History to throw a ball and have a reception TD on the same play. Oh and he never won a MVP... because it's not a stats thing... Remember Lamar???

[@draethereum]

OOOH! Let me try! Lamar: - 2x MVP - Single Season QB Rushing Record - Career QB Rushing Record in 41 fewer games - Tied for #1 in perfect passer rating games - First quarterback with multiple 1,000-yard rushing seasons - Most career 100+ rushing yards games by a quarterback - First quarterback with five 700+ rushing yards seasons in a career - Most 100+ rushing yards games by a quarterback in a season - First player with 3,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in a season (has a chance, albeit very small, to hit 4000/1000) - Most perfect passer ratings in a season - Most wins by a quarterback under the age of 25 - Youngest quarterback to achieve a perfect passer rating - Highest completion percentage in a game when attempting more than 40 passes - First player to register two rushing touchdowns, two passing touchdowns, 100 rushing yards, and 100 passer rating in any game - Currently #2 in single season passer rating, and could break that record next game. (FYI, It's partially a stats thing, but if you want to talk about stats, make sure to include the 18 picks from Allen last season (which was the reason why they lost most of the games they did). Dak couldn't beat a winning team, and Purdy literally had a superstar team and got ROFLStomped by Lamar. on top of throwing 4 picks that game. There's a reason why Allen was #5 on the MVP list).

[@dkemm2013]

and along with his career stats that are " insane" how many Super Bowl rings or appearances does he have? I am curious...

[@thebusdriversupreme]

@@draethereum if you actually compare the stats, Josh is doing things never before imagined. Lamar is just padding stats with his offensive weapons.

[@draethereum]

@@thebusdriversupreme LOL

[@thebusdriversupreme]

@@draethereum Also, half of Lamar's stats are simply rushing stats AND due to his WR's having the best separation in the league. I'm sorry you're biased and unable to think critically about what MVP means and how players contribute to success to their teams.

[@TopTierHater]

Saying Allen is a one man show when he has James Cook scoring 15 tds, Khalil Shakir being 3rd in YAC, Amari Cooper, and one of the best o lines in the league😭

[@SS-yx5hm]

Exactly!!! LJ8 doesn’t have better receivers than Allen nor Burrow hence LJ8 always working with less-REMEMBER haters Ravens pass defense dead last for most of this season, Tucker missed field goals which would have won some games, LJ8 helps Henry more than opposite just look at Henrys previous years stats! And lastly look at what LJ8 is doing with his historic passing! And they said he wasn’t going to be a good passer!!!!! 🤦🏻💜🐦‍⬛🏈🔥💥🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊

[@sakthithanigai5036]

@@SS-yx5hmbrain dead take right here, Lamar’s WRs rank number 1 in separation rate, Josh Allen’s rank bottom 5. James cook is good. He’s not Derrick Henry. Henry was a 2k rusher long before he got to Baltimore. Lamar is not helping him he’ll run for 1500 behind any line

[@JohnDoe33408]

@@sakthithanigai5036 Henry been averaging 4.3 ypc last three years, comes to Baltimore suddenly he's at 5.8. Lamar not helping him? lol

[@draethereum]

@@sakthithanigai5036 I wonder what Offensive coaches do..... Oh, that's right, they scheme players open! Also, I wonder if Lamar's ability to buy time and scramble has an impact... Hint: It does.

[@marvr3132]

@@sakthithanigai5036you’re a fool if you really think Flowers and Bateman is better than Cooper and Coleman 🤦🏽‍♂️ bro just stop talking Sports omg and Cook is no Henry but he’s a good Back Josh Allen has a good Team around him Stop it bro if you want him to win just say that but don’t try to make it like he’s playing with less because he’s Not and his Schedule is weaker And The Ravens F’d them up 🤦

[@Messigoat1033]

Why we acting like Derrick Henry wasn’t considered a free agent and 31 teams in the leage including the Bills had a chance to get him for 8 million. Maybe he is having all time carrier season because he is playing with Lamar.

[@keithlowery9708]

The Bills have James Cook who they are invested in so Henry was not an option which I wish the Bills did get though

[@Messigoat1033]

@@keithlowery9708Umm now you wishing but other teams took plenty of other RBs before Henry.

[@renaldobuckjr5994]

Henry was wash when the ravens signed him. According to nick Wright.

[@anthonyanderson9303]

​@@renaldobuckjr5994exactly

[@ShinefortheCam]

Nah. Derek Henry did this without Lamar. Hes a hall of famer

[@CozmoNurse]

Honestly, i think the Lombardi trophy is the only thing these players care about.

[@draethereum]

It is

[@Xb1-w5j]

That can care about both as both are legacy

[@dunehouseatreides]

WTF!?! Does Josh Allen have a Jefferson and Addison? 😂

[@Lincoln-b6u]

Fr JA is the real mvp

[@ragegamer5746]

Is it just me or is Barkley getting more attention than Henry did when he rushed over 2k?

[@nickstanton6021]

What was the Titans record

[@troyduffie3836]

@@nickstanton6021think they were the 1 seed that year

[@ragegamer5746]

@@nickstanton6021 11-5

[@burnerbill7372]

I thought Henry was getting plenty of reputation that season as a stiff arming monster, but the Titans might've been getting less attention in general because they are a small market

[@k_hack9441]

And Tenn wasn’t a real contender. Eagles and Saquan are the best team in football.

[@reaper632]

How does Josh Allen win playing not only a weaker schedule, in a weaker conference, but also getting praises for beating terrible teams? I'm lost.

[@atre1614]

Lamar literally lost to the raiders and browns bruh lol

[@olic22]

"weaker" "terrible". What is he supposed to do instead? Lose?

[@billysummers1616]

He beat the top seed in the AFC and NFC. And if it's off value, the Bills are a 4 win team without him. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year w limited weapons, and he's 13-3

[@jamesmueller4058]

@@reaper632 you are lost

[@Bighoodiekid]

@@atre1614 true but lamar isn’t stat padding on the jets, pats and dolphins twice a year.

[@jackwatson4231]

Nick making the case for Darnold after pushing so much against Purdy last year is crazy

[@drb5003]

He doesn't want Lamar to win that award again and he's mad Mahomes isn't getting it.🤡🤥🤣🤣🤣

[@scratchpenny]

@@drb5003 That's probably right. He keeps on insinuating that Mahomes should be in the conversation, but it's a delusional take. Mahomes is great, but he's not having a good season statistically, so there was never a chance.

[@Oceanz08]

Lamar is gonna have the highest passer rating EVER in a season and hes gonna be the first player ever to throw 4000 yards and rush for 800 yards. Oh and hes gonna probably have 40+ Throwing TDs with less than 5 INTs......but no, obviously Allen is better lol

[@KobeisJordans]

And the highest QBR ever and the highest yards per attempt this year and the highest yards per completion this year

[@trueson5351]

Which both are HISTORIC AND UNPRECEDENTED

[@panbaiye]

@@Oceanz08 Allen has been cooking teams so hard he hasn't played 7 4th quarters this year You were saying something about lamar?

[@Trackstar159]

@@panbaiyeAre you including that 4th quarter against the Ravens when his team was getting blown out because he was trash?

[@Oceanz08]

@@panbaiye 9 of the Bills wins are against teams with losing records, stop flexing when the Bills have had one of the easiest seasons

[@calebsandle7141]

Last year all the ravens fans screaming about how stats aren’t everything in the MVP race but this year stats are everything. Pick one

[@Chigz10]

Last year only Dak or Purdy had better stats than Lamar but they weren’t great and the voters thought the clearly better QB on the best team in the league should get it. How does that argument work for Allen this yesr when his team isn’t even the best in the conference and other QBs are having better all time great statistical seasons? Plus the Ravens whooped the Bills the same way they did the Niners last year which was used against Purdy. Allen had 18 INTs and finished 5th

[@jamesjazzy8040]

You're forgetting one thing Josh Allen doesn't play in the 4th quarter cuz they usually beating the living s*** out of the other team by then...

[@isabelleflournoy9439]

Except for the ravens game right

[@thatguyukno41]

@@isabelleflournoy9439 that game is your superbowl with how much ravens fans talk about it lmfao

[@Gobrowns123]

Dude is 29th in completion percentage….

[@jamesjazzy8040]

@@Gobrowns123 Josh Allen has so many records it would take the rest of this page filling them up... I'm not even going to begin to start with that

[@Galero15]

@@thatguyukno41 we have 2, y’all wouldn’t know nothing about that

[@jefferyslack9088]

MVP went from "most valuable player to their team" to "most valuable statistics"

[@milokaye5662]

@@jefferyslack9088 EXACTLY

[@TheRealMallard]

It's always been about stats. Rareley has it ver went to the most valuable to a team

[@jameskottmann8018]

last year it was just a DEI award.

[@Dipset415]

Narrative changes every year depending on who they want to win it that year 💯😭💪🏿

[@nickster1135]

Last year lamar wasn't in top 10 qb stats so no

[@xrppornstar9483]

Nick can’t help himself with slamming Allen. He just can’t. He is so sour grapes

[@reaperpunkxter]

He only likes Mashit I mean Mahones and Burrow

[@AndreasMarkey]

He was the only one to pick the bills to win the division

[@Clark807]

@@AndreasMarkey Yeah he picked the team Bills because the division is a complete joke.

[@joesebol1425]

Serious question -- sour grapes over what?

[@michaeltamul500]

@@joesebol1425That people can see that Allen is better than Mahomes.

[@blaykeysproduction]

I LOVE JOSH….been a bills fan since birth basically….my first memory is my dad and uncle throwing me back and forth celebrating TD in 90-94….I hope josh dint get it…cause if they rob him…again WE WILL WIN SUPERBOWL and he’ll get mvp of that

[@ericjones8915]

They love to highlight Lamar's RB help, but look at the Baltimore year-by-year RB stats, and you will see that Baltimore always has about the same RB averages. D. Henry hasn't helped Lamar nearly as much as Lamar has helped him. Henry's YPC was 4.2 last year, and is 5.9 this year. BTW, Henry is a beast, and he helps! Just don't use his presence to downgrade what Lamar does.

[@timmartin2417]

I said same thing . Like last year they were at the top with edwards and also Mitchell While like you said henery is a different beast

[@SS-yx5hm]

Exactly! LJ8 helps the RBs more than the opposite! Look at the stats for Ravens previous RBs and it proves it!

[@ChaoticMisfit]

Henry helps Lamar more than you think he does. Just having him in the backfield completely changes how a team can line up on defense. Do you think it is just by coincidence that the Ravens have pretty much all the same weapons other than Henry and Lamar just posted his best passing season by a long shot?

[@timmartin2417]

@@ChaoticMisfit i Fully acknowledge how good henery is and a game changer he is … In the offseason I was very pro go and get him and I don’t think anyone denies the help he’s been but people act like on l this show the ravens run game is new … and it’s the same people on this show saying it’s a wasted singing and he’s washed.

[@timmartin2417]

@ when I say people on this show I mean nick and I think coach .. nick spent most his time saying a 30 year rb isn’t gonna be a difference etc most the same things he said of Barkley …

[@dannywilliams8911]

So if lamar gets 4000 passing and 1000 rushing whats the historical precedents their?

[@Brandon-li4nk]

Probably 4500 passing

[@newagain9964]

@Brandon-li4nkhuh? No. This is literally unprecedented. Lamar ONLY player to have 3k/1k season. And that’s not directly comparable.

[@ojogbaneamedu2501]

This splitting things up to make stuff sound better is nonsense, 5k total yards with no MVP has certainly happened before. Allen has had 5K+ total yards twice and has no MVP to show for it. Herbert 5k just passing, No MVP. Many others I could name in the past like Brees & such.

[@Los150]

As he should. He’s doing more and not losing to teams like Vegas and Cleveland with less lol

[@davidpetrosky]

And getting stomped by the guy losing to those teams. Even worse. Lmao

[@FreeBandz4LG4Ever]

But he got smacked 35-10🤡

[@Orto4956]

@@davidpetrosky No, definitely not even worse. Not even close to even worse tbh.

[@Orto4956]

@@FreeBandz4LG4Ever Ya’ll love to make excuses for Lamar. The Hills had 5 defensive starters out including their defensive tackles and linebackers so Derrick Henry tore into the Bills defense. Not Lamar Jackson btw, all Lamar did that game was hand the ball off and poach a few touchdowns.

[@davidpetrosky]

@@Orto4956 The most ironic comment I've ever read, with someone referencing poaching tds, while defending the Bills. Hilarious. Thank you.

[@rquirozsoto]

F**k the new "rules". Darnold is the comeback player of the year.

[@isaacpeachey8609]

You gotta have something to come back to for that award. This is Sam Darnold’s breakout season.

[@blazeplayz2508]

Sam Darnold should definitely be in the mvp conversation

[@abuveground4934]

Take Josh away from the bills and they’re a 6-11 team at best. What are we even talking about here? The fact Sam Darnold is killing it is because his supporting cast is so good. Didn’t we learn this about the 49ers?

[@gabemarlow5745]

Insinuating that Lamar doesn’t have that much help is blasphemous. He’s insane but to act like he’s throwing to scrubs is ridiculously disrespectful to those players. Media loves Lamar lmao

[@ATLAST960]

Same thing with Josh,Shakir is 2nd in yards after catch and that was BEFORE yesterday’s game. And cook is what,19 yards from 1000. He had 1200 last year. Along with Cooper,Coleman and Kincaid.Don’t paint one picture to fit your narrative

[@trueson5351]

You can say the same about Allen

[@704jizzle2]

He got 1 dude in Henry but wr wise Cooper and company are WAYY better

[@gabemarlow5745]

@@ATLAST960 not painting one picture to “paint my narrative” lmao. just saying it’s always the basis for his mvp case, after his stats of course bc he is insane, but he has a great offensive n great scheme that helps him. Josh does too.

[@ATLAST960]

@ facts

[@henryiv1964]

If Darnold’s last name was Jackson, Allen, and Mahomes…especially Mahomes….then he would be getting a lot more hype. Dude has 35 TDs and two losses. His past reputation is preventing him from having a real chance at winning it.

[@williejohnson5172]

You could make a case for all the qbs Nick listed and out of all of them Allen has the weakest case. Lamar broke Vick's record. Saquon MIGHT break Dickerson record. These are old long standing HOF records. And what record has Allen broken and he get's first in historical precedent?

[@kingp2245]

@@williejohnson5172Allen hater

[@HuChing-ob4kk]

Goff or Darnold wont be the MVPS because the media get EMBARRASSED when the narratives they pushed so hard get smashed

[@isabelleflournoy9439]

​@@kingp2245sure stating facts is being a hater...Allen fanboy right here

[@kingp2245]

@@isabelleflournoy9439your opinion is not a fact boy

[@jamestheconcoctionist289]

That Terrell Davis take is 💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@bigbluwu8607]

IF Darnold wins Sunday. I as a life long Lions fan I don't see how you give it to anyone but Darnold. He's been immaculate this season. The Vikings were supposed to be the worst team in the division. Everyone thought the Vikings were gonna go 5-12. They would be 15-2 and the 1 seed.

[@bubbspelch1134]

He's not winning anything.

[@boogidwnej179]

Who cares what everyone thought coming into the season? 🤔 what does that have to do with anything

[@dimitrythomas4158]

Cousins was putting up better stats last year. Vikings have the 4th ranked D which is the difference

[@bigbluwu8607]

@@boogidwnej179 So it shows that people thought this team was gonna be bad. Same thing Nick said about Josh

[@mykeljewell]

14:00 2 weeks ago Nick explicitly said of Mahomes that he shouldn’t play but he will play cuz hes a champion and all that. Don’t tell a player to sit if you are proud of your guy for not sitting

[@masoniceli]

Was going to say the same thing. Nick flip flops all the time when it comes to mahomes.

[@mattkelly7672]

Normally, Nick drives me up the wall with his insane takes. However, I think he’s made some excellent points about Josh and the debate with Saquon Barkley. The Chiefs would 100% be an undefeated team this year if it wasn’t for Josh Allen.

[@Itsshaqurie]

I think it’s Saquon. The QB bias is crazy. Saquon is apart of HISTORY. We’ve seen what Allen and Lamar are doing!

[@karisa1022]

Sorry, eagles made superbowl 2 years ago without saquan, went 11-6 last year. Sorry, he's had great season but is not

[@Mike7064]

​@karisa1022 The award for the dumbest take on the internet goes to you

[@Filthyanimal9]

A part of history as the NINTH player to run for 2K yards in a season? OK….

[@BigginsInAmerica]

So if Patrick Mahomes plays with Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce he doesn't have too many weapons to win MVP but if Jared Goff has 2 pro bowlers he has too many weapons to win MVP?

[@DogDongDotCom]

Patrick Mahomes is the SYSTEM, Goff needs the system. When Ben Johnson leaves, Goff will be back being him.

[@DeportillegalAliens]

Lamar Jackson had 13 pro bowlers is 1st MVPs and the number 1 defense his 2nd mvp

[@shanefernandez8768]

Don’t compare Goff and Mahomes. You didn’t care about Hill and Kelce before Pat showed up.

[@itisnottaken4444]

@@DogDongDotComthey were making the playoffs with Alex Smith he’s not the system. You think Mahomes is who he is if the Bears drafted him?

[@davis2k1234]

Kelce was 1st team Allpro without Mahomes THill in his 2nd year had 1200yds Alex Smith lead the NFL in Passer Rating in 2017 with Mahomes watching from the bench that’s what he inherited Goff took over a terrible team and was part of making them great

[@hassan78685]

Josh Allen your 2024 MVPity congratulations 👏

[@Xb1-w5j]

Bias negative take has zero merit

[@gntyh]

@@Xb1-w5j ravens fans have negative iq unfortunately

[@ceo469]

They might as well make it a QB award

[@ShinefortheCam]

Facts

[@newagain9964]

We’ve been saying that for decades. But especially loudly when Rodgers was on his “streak” of 4. At least 2 should gone to another player/position (D Henry for one).

[@valjohnson7112]

@@newagain9964 he definitely should have given that last one to devante adams. when adams left, rogers instantly looked like a below average qb.

[@OBPMA]

Josh Allen is the MVP favorite but 5 other QBs putting up better numbers!? Make it make sense 😂

[@Traydavis1]

Boy I'm saying

[@pmc9593]

Sympathy award

[@chiefmiyagi9802]

😂😂

[@markedmond1258]

To be fair bills have blown out enough teams that Allen has either been pulled for 4th quarter or they just go into burn clock mode and he doesn't do much. Legit about 2 games worth of this time cumulative. Lamar has a good chunk of this too. Burrow has to chuck it in catch up or keep up mode all the time so serious inflation of stats. Josh has more of the big play big moment big opponent big audience late season performances that probably give the edge. Nature of the award like it or not.

[@zclan4130]

Because people also watch games, not just the stats. Hard to stat pad when you put teams away after 3 quarters. Do you even watch?

[@Jesussing16]

Im sorry but a guy beating only 2 winning teams the whole yr doesnt deserve it. Lamar despite having 2 less wins maybe 1 by the end of the season has beaten more winning teams this yr. Thats why the numbers didnt matter as much last yr. The ravens had the best record in the nfl and they beat 11 winning teams and lamar had the best qb stats against those winning teams. Josh this yr is 2-3 against playoff teams. And the weapons argument is terrible because amari cooper is better than any receiver the ravens have, cooks is a good running back with 15 tds and is a 1k yard rusher or has been. He has the better o line. Before last week hadnt been sacked in a month. And he has good tes

[@stephano.s]

bro josh Allen has worst stats than sam sornald bro how is he leading

[@BruceCharlton-md6en]

Most valuable to his team, everyone but Allen has other All Pros in their offenses. People expected the Bills to take a huge step back this year.

[@thatguyukno41]

cause josh has missed a whole games worth of quarters of sitting out in the 4th quarter due to high leads, oh and hes sitting out the last game after a few snaps, so basically 2 games worth of stuff he couldve added onto

[@lildevil4lif1]

50 years from now when no one remembers this year rushing at least people all around the world still ask google or Siri who has most rushing yards. Would be ashamed if they don’t at least let him try maybe even tell him you have two quarters or something:

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

Josh Allen had 18 INTERCEPTIONS AND FINISHED 5TH😂😂😂😂 ACTING LIKE HE WAS ROBBED LAST YEAR IS NASTY WORK

[@joshoberg65]

The fact that brou includes historic precedent in his criteria for the current year mvp officially nullifies his opinion.

[@robertadams305]

let me guess: you dont understand "historical precedent". Type more. Your idiocy is entertaining.

[@Chigz10]

@@robertadams305what didn’t he understand? Brou counted it against Lamar that a player hasn’t won 3 MVPs and not been to the SB, what does that have to do with this season? Nothing, so it’s not relevant in a comparison against other players this season.

[@podawe8051]

Josh Allen had far better stats last year than Lamar and even sat out like 6 full quarters because they were blowing teams out of the water. This year Lamar has better stats but Josh still missed 5 full quarters worth of play. These conversations are so disingenuous and stats alone don't tell the story.

[@Chigz10]

Josh Allen had 18 INTs last year behind only Sam Howell. Try again

[@lamar3697]

Lamar is MVP stats prove it plus head to head he beat them they belt goes to Lamar like boxing

[@NewYorkNYKer]

17 games??? Should we average per game for rushing yard?? So basically expanding games will break record is fair??

[@brownie7858]

Yep

[@FiftyCalFit]

Still doing it in less carries

[@LeaveMyFreedomBe]

Critics: "Bills rely on Allen too much" Same Critics: "He should not be the MOST VALUABLE Player"

[@Shad0wCl0wn]

As a lifelong fan of the Kansas City Chiefs with an honest vote being cast here...Josh Allen deserves NFL MVP hands down. Going even further into that. Defeating Kansas City was the moment the NFL cast their vote...but if the scores for that game were flipped...he still takes the vote as far as I'm concerned. The man is playing with everything he has.

[@AlecRyder]

Bills: 21 in schedule difficulty Ravens: 2 in schedule difficulty Say his name. Lamar. Freaking. Jackson.

[@bigaesswangmane7804]

Try not losing to the Browns and Raiders, lol.

[@Daniel-yl5jl1bi6q]

The Bills only lost to playoff teams.

[@AlecRyder]

@@bigaesswangmane7804 can't hear you over the 35-10 blowout against the Bills this year

[@thatguyukno41]

@@AlecRyder i swear thats yall superbowl, you guys never shut up about it, hang the banner everyone, ravens beat them in the regular season, now do it in the playoffs :)

[@Majority999]

@@thatguyukno41I could talk about Josh Allen being 2-3 vs Playoff teams I could talk about him being worse in every stat category except rushing TDs and heres a stat to prove why those are cupcake. On Josh Allens 11 rush TDs they have gone for a combined 69 yards. On Lamars 4 rush TDs they have gone for a combined 76 yards. Lamar could have 50 TDs if he stat padded the way Allen does.

[@talbotdarren]

The ultimate warrior was Wilt Chamberlain who averaged 48.5 minutes over a full 82 game season. The games are 48 minutes long, overtime was also figured in.

[@jp12696]

Allen’s rushing TD’s are valuable but it’s a different thing” says the worst football analyst ever All TD’s count the same 🤡

[@ly_bb]

Lamar has been the best player in the NFL this year. I think it's a travesty if he doesn't win MVP. And it's not because Josh is "undeserving." Lamar has just been better than everyone this season. And why is beating the jets a big deal? Lamar had 5 TDs against the giants 3 games ago.

[@carltchoumi837]

He beat the Chiefs and the Lions. How about that? Lamar lost to the Raiders and Browns. Does that also count? You guys always pick and choose

[@ShinefortheCam]

Speak for yourself. Joe burrow is the best player in the nfl!

[@Brandon-li4nk]

@@carltchoumi837pick and chose lamar blew out josh or josh had a historically awful game vs the texans

[@jamarpyatt4303]

Lamar and burrow are both having better seasons than josh. Josh is deserving but what Lamar and Joe are doing is simply better. It’s not a moral or sentimental award. Lamar Saquon Joe Josh is my order

[@beardedshadow]

39 - 4 is crazy.

[@krw73]

Lamar has 43TDs and 9 TOs Allen has 41TDs and 8TOs and that’s with Josh Allen sitting out a few fourth quarters because they were up by so much .

[@heartlessbananna]

An lamar has sat multiple 4th quarters to including against the bills ​@@krw73

[@Chigz10]

@@krw73lmao the framing of those stats to make Allen look better is hilarious. And this new narrative that he’s just been sitting 4th quarters all year cos it happened last week

[@krw73]

@@Chigz10 it’s not just a narrative if it’s true. Nobody said all season long, but He has sat multiple times this season. Lamar stayed in throwing fourth quarter touchdowns against the Giants when they were already up by 30 points.

[@Majority999]

@@krw73He threw that TD 4 mins into the 4th quarter and Baltimore was up by 21, not 30. Baltimore actually blew a 21 pt lead in the 4th quarter not to long ago to the Dolphins in 2022. Thats not stat padding. Thats securing a victory.

[@AlexLopez-hx5bl]

STOP with the ED did it 16 games saquon will take 17. Yall sound like idiots. Cause OJ had it in 14. Why arent you crying about that?

[@jviewer99]

@@AlexLopez-hx5bl Saquon will still do it in less carries than ED and his team will have a better record

[@timocruz510]

Yep also Saquon more yards per touch/carry

[@snipecrossgg4397]

@@AlexLopez-hx5bl I was arguing that OJs is the one to beat. He had 143 yards per game. You can bet he would have probably 100 more than Dickerson in a 16 game season.

[@RayWilliams-j2b]

Josh wasn't even mentioned until week 12

[@kellykell8439]

If you're going by stats then the top 3 NFL MVP candidates this season are #1 Saquon Barkley, #2 Lamar Jackson, and #3 Joe Burrow. If you're looking at wins (with decent stats) then the top 3 NFL MVP candidates this season are #1 Patrick Mahomes, #2 Sam Darnold, and then #3 Josh Allen. It really looks like there isn't a strong case for Allen being the MVP this season. Even though Allen has played well, there are other QBs in much harder divisions with better stats. 💯💯

[@panbaiye]

@@kellykell8439 josh allen sat 7 4th quarters this year cause he cooked so hard Can you imagine if he got to play those 7! 4th quarters? His stats would be off the charts

[@OBPMA]

​​@@panbaiye Not against BAL where he was benched cuz they got blown out 😂 Some of ya Josh defenders are really invested in revisionist history. Not everyone forgot.

[@panbaiye]

@OBPMA you can hang you silly hat on 1 point. Doesnt explain a body of work. Good job. If you want to agrue that, king henry is amazing, and bills were missing 2 starting rec and tight end that game. They did get smoked in that game

[@ShinefortheCam]

​@@OBPMA they didn't have amari cooper back then. They have him now

[@keymold4405]

@@panbaiye”cooked so hard” 😫 meanwhile he struggled against a 3 win team, had one of the worst games of all time, lost against the rams to pad stats, beat a depleted lions team, and win the annual regular season championship game against the chiefs. Having bad record vs playoff teams is pretty awful not to mention the absolute stomping Baltimore put on yall. Sounds like the opposite of cooking to me.

[@jacquesmoran3901]

Allen beat the Chiefs. That's the stat.

[@nankam]

Josh is going to win because Lamar won last year. Lamar would win if he hadn't won last year. MVP voters are like that.

[@DZCARDZ]

The NFL needs to do something about the MVP. Its a QB 99% of the time. Stupid

[@Daniel-yl5jl1bi6q]

There's a reason why QBs are the highest paid players on the field. By a lot.

[@WhitneyBee87]

Without Mahomes the Chiefs probably a 10 win record at best. why isn’t he strongly considered for mvp with 15-1 record. Makes absolutely no sense

[@lucasrobinson1102]

Cus he was trash for half the year

[@dclop4036]

@@lucasrobinson1102 Correct

[@blick5511]

6 games = half the season to dumb people

[@lucasrobinson1102]

@@blick5511 alright buddy, look at the stats 👍

[@whatido247]

Great segment 👏🏿

[@jviewer99]

Imagine Allen had Jefferson and Addison lmao

[@Jake_demichele]

The other thing about Saquon NOT going for it is the Eagles massively benefit in the long run from the Giants winning this game, which weirdly nobody mentioned.

[@benparadis3841]

How do the Eagles benefit if the Giants lose? Genuinely asking

[@lavatrex]

@@benparadis3841 if the giants win, the giants get a slightly better pick in the draft, and since they're in the same division they play eachother a lot

[@quickgreer]

All the weapons of the 5 QBs put on the board they are equal till you get to Josh Allen.

[@LijeeWin]

I’ll say this, Josh is the MVP because he doesn’t have a top notch receiver and a rookie TE I think. Having the Bills the second seed and throwing less picks. Yeah. Borrow has Chase and Higgins, Lamar has Henry..

[@williejohnson5172]

Nonsense. Allen's got Cooper and Cooks and Shakir

[@rajkaranvirk7525]

@@williejohnson5172Not at the same level as Lamar’s, Burrow’s or Darnold’s receivers. Don’t even act like they’re comparable

[@sidekickht]

​@williejohnson5172 He barely had coop bud ..😂😂😂 Nice try tynna say Shakir and them are on that level😂😂😂

[@boogidwnej179]

@@rajkaranvirk7525Allen doesn’t make the guys around him better 🤷🏾‍♂️ simple as that There a reason why bills panicked and scrambled to get coooer after only going 3-2 earlier this season.

[@sprawlz6466]

@@boogidwnej179 ​​⁠ Cooper is averaging less than 3 catches per game with the Bills. How is he the almighty game changer you claim him to be?

[@genztalks1831]

So conflicted about this show! On one end, I love brou and wildes. On the other end I can't stand how Nick only wants to speak and a lot of the times all you hear is "bu..bu.. ok..." as the other guys are talking. I wonder if it's distracting for them when they're trying to communicate an argument/counter argument. (Example at 16:16). It's really starting to get annoying. I keep coming back for wildes and brou though!

[@ShadowTrailMedia]

"Hold up..." "Now, listen..." Some other classic Nick-sequiters

[@jesusdanielgarcia3952]

I really hope they let him go and get Max Kellerman instead

[@danpetruccelli762]

​@@jesusdanielgarcia3952They wouldn't have a show still without Nick. it's like wrestling, the thing that makes the face get a pop is a good bad guy

[@Tevyn843]

Everybody screaming Lamar should win because of stats was screaming he was the MVP last year despite the stats 😂 at least be consistent

[@mariomadyun1798]

Yea, few years ago, Henry ran for 2k & furthermore seeing as my Titans are HORRIBLE without him, he clearly should have MVP

[@newagain9964]

Yup. Rodgers won it that year. It was ridiculous

[@terronpenny3116]

@@newagain9964ridiculous with Rodgers having 48 tds and 5 ints?

[@newagain9964]

@@terronpenny3116 and yet Lamar is having a better year than the Rodgers over Henry mvp year. 😂🤣😂

[@yohancemosley4470]

@@newagain9964no Rodgers mvp season was better

[@Chigz10]

Your Titans were horrible at the end with him. The Ravens were even better in previous years without him, the constant is Lamar at QB

[@megalodon1738]

people had low expectation because people thought dolphins/jets would be good... what are we doing here

[@michaeltamul500]

No, people had low expectations because they wanted to give all of the credit for Josh’s success to Stephon Diggs and Gabriel Davis.

[@iamtired9350]

JOSH ALLEN IS A BEAST 💯 HE MAKES A BUM OFFENSE LOOK AMAZING 🔥

[@kaiellermann1523]

If lamar gets a 135 passer rating against the the browns, he breaks the all time season record. While rushing for 900 yards. This would make a top 3-5 all time QB season. Nobody will remember allens season, alltough its elite.

[@Thesinfultruth]

It’s not Elite

[@DogDongDotCom]

Maybe if he didn't lose to them the first time, but stop. Lamar is only MVP to please a certain class of people, other than that last year he was a fraud for it.

[@newagain9964]

Allen season is good. But Not elite. Burrow season is elite..IF he makes the playoffs. LJ should be decently ahead of Barkley in MVP.

[@newagain9964]

Btw. Lamar is 45yds passing and 148 rushing form having 1st 4k/1k season. I hope harbs hits spam button and tell LJ to go 4 it. 🤙

[@SS-yx5hm]

@@newagain9964true BUT LJ8 will still hold that record of 4k passing and over 800 rushing by QB if he doesn’t get 1k…no other QB has done what LJ8 has done!

[@ShumakeTravels]

How does Josh Allen mvp have more historical precedent than Saquon? You can’t trust these guys 😂

[@alazkaalazka6087]

He’s on the bills. When was the last time bills had a top 3 player in the league.

[@ShumakeTravels]

@ ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER. what’s more historical than that?

[@alazkaalazka6087]

@@ShumakeTravels u know this is a QB award. Barkley sadly has no chance.

[@newagain9964]

⁠@@alazkaalazka6087I thinks it’s definitely questionable to claim Josh Allen is a top 3 player in NFL🧐. There’s def at least 5 players id take over him.

[@alazkaalazka6087]

@ top 3 I’m doing Mahomes, Lamar & Allen. Looking at the past 6 seasons. Those are the top guys.

[@nuorigin]

As a Ravens fan I luv to hear Bru. He keeps it honest but doesn't hide his love for the Ravens,

[@JonnyJets]

As a Bills fan, this is starting to sound like an MVPitty award..

[@iiTzMoPZii]

No bills fan says this

[@XYZ-h6h]

Josh Allen 3-3 against good teams….

[@kingp2245]

What his record against the Chiefs and lions?

[@HoltHolt-xm2hh]

Jayden Daniels is the MVP. No one deserves the MVP more than him. He not only lifted his team and the organization. He lifted the entire city.

[@aidana.ghylin9677]

From the most overrated QB in the NFL to the likely league MVP. What a turn of events.

[@keymold4405]

Still the most overrated only people crowing him is the media and bills players while all time greats are siding with Lamar because they know what the mvp award means in terms of legacy

[@jgmusic_]

MVPity. Sorry.

[@jacobkroehler9083]

182 yards and we are asking did he lock up mvp…??? what is going on bro SAQUON IS ABOUT TO BREAK THE RECORD

[@donkeybus]

He already had it locked up. Also yards don't matter when they don't convert to points (3 TDS and could have easily had 4 but gave it to Cook). You must be confused with fantasy football

[@RageDaug]

yeah, when you lead your team to lead by 40 points and can sit the 4th Qtr, 182 yards is impressive.

[@cheerioss-9121]

@@donkeybuslamar had 5 TDs against the giants nobody cared because it was the giants..

[@tomorowsnobodys]

As a Philly fan I can say that if they try to get the rushing record and Saquon gets hurt I will not hold it against anyone. This is an historic moment and I think that out of respect for the history and tradition of the game it would be a disservice to not even make the attempt because “we had nothing to play for in week 18” that’s bs you go out there and you play the game. There’s a scenario where Saquon runs for 200 yards, smashes the record, doesn’t get hurt, and the Eagles win the superbowl. There’s a scenario where he gets hurt, no record, first round out. This is the game we all love and we owe it to ourselves and each other to be as good as we can possibly be EVERY. SINGLE. WEEK.

[@williamdunn7202]

Josh Allen: 3 games against the Rams, Dolphins, Jaguars where he had 3 or more passing TD's. 2 games with no touchdowns at all passing with 1 rushing TD. Faced 6 teams that should be in the playoffs. Best games totals of 10 passing TD's and 3 rushing TD'S. Lamar Jackson: 6 games with 3 or more passing touchdowns, has thrown at least 1 TD in every game this season, 4 games against the Giants, Buccaneers, and Bengals twice where he threw 4 or more TD's and had 0 interceptions. 4 game total of 18 TD's and no INT's. He has faced 10 teams that will be in the playoffs and 12 if Cincinnati gets in. Won the head to head matchup 31-10. I am a Bills fan and I know that this is not even close when you break it down. Josh Allen is a beast and the best chance we have had in 30 plus years to win a Super Bowl but he should not be the MVP unless voters are just defiant in voting for LJ. As for Burrow he has lost twice to Baltimore and Lamar has been great in both games.

[@faceofbearr]

Bils fans know Josh is the NFL MVP and has been for years now.

[@pattyl274]

Something tells me you're not a Bill's fan 🤔

[@mickthomas3669]

The lone problem here is that they gave it to Lamar last year based on narrative and wins/seeding over stats, setting a precedent that stats don’t matter as much as the storyline. And this episode hit the nail on the head. The best stories this season are Josh’s and Sam Darnold’s. Even if someone like Lamar or saquan deserve it more. Just like mccaffery should have won it last year. Or Dak or Josh. So the voters/league played themselves.

[@SS-yx5hm]

@@mickthomas3669dude look at how LJ8 plays the game!!! LJ8 absolutely deserved it he balled out on so many top teams last year and he deserves it even more this year!!! You haters are crazy ! 🤡 Look at LJ8s strength of season last year and this year hard as f***!!! Josh Allen’s strength of season is way easier! Just look at those stats for proof!

[@Maleegi]

Can’t wait for the ravens to beat the breaks off the bills in the divisional round… again

[@milokaye5662]

The Bills beat the Ravens in the divisional round in 2020… what do you mean “again” lol

[@Maleegi]

@ 2020 lmao. They played this years and Allen looked pedestrian.

[@peterjohnson1734]

@@Maleegi What happened in September means nothing.

[@Maleegi]

@@peterjohnson1734 lol same teams same results.

[@milokaye5662]

@@Maleegi That’s not how that works lol. Teams get revenge in the playoffs all the time.

[@darkguild69]

If Saquon breaks the rushing record he should be MVP. That means he broke a record that has been established for almost 40 years. Only 9 running backs ever have rushed for more than 2000 yards and Saquon could beat all of them setting a new NFL record that will probably take another 20+ years to beat. On top of all of that Saquon is the only guy on here that does not control his own stats. He needs someone else to give him the ball the entire time unlike all these QBs who touch it pretty much every play on offense. I understand Josh Allen is having a great season but its nothing so fantastic it's setting nfl records that will stand for decades. On any given year 2-3 qbs usually put up outstanding numbers similar to Allen and Jackson but noone has done what Saquon is doing at the Running Back position in 40 years. So yea in my opinion it's not even a close race if Saquon can break the record that has ben there since 1984.

[@Filthyanimal9]

In, cough, 17 games - don’t get too excited

[@christianiggi]

Having an easy schedule has won Josh Allen the MVP

[@Brandon-li4nk]

Fr bro loses hard games

[@GeorgeCummings28]

Beat chiefs and lions but okay

[@davidberger8420]

He went against the two top teams in the league and was the only QB to beats the undefeated chiefs.

[@SS-yx5hm]

Ok that’s good and all for Allen but his teams strength of schedule is weak compared to Ravens! Look what LJ8 did last year against like 10 playoff teams he whipped them big time…And then this year, Allen only did that against 2 elite teams, LJ8 been doing the same again this year!!!

[@carlosv.7279]

Can we stop referring to Josh Allen as a one-man show? He has the best offensive line in the league

[@ShinefortheCam]

Nah. That belongs to the Detroit lions

[@Brandon-li4nk]

@@ShinefortheCamhe has a top 3 line good te highets scoring rb good wrs

[@milokaye5662]

@@carlosv.7279 that’s all you could muster was the o-line 😂

[@carlosv.7279]

@@milokaye5662 so the O-line doesn't matter now? That's the backbone of a QB

[@milokaye5662]

@ Allen also has the best pressure win % and best stats against the blitz so what you’re trying to imply about him being carried by his o-line doesn’t have much logical standing.

[@zerozone6666]

MVP means most valuable player. No one is more valuable to their team than josh Allen

[@Angelross-us4xw]

LAMAR CRUSHED JOSH ALLEN IN SATS & IN A GAME & JOSH HAD THAT 9 COMPLETION GM😂 & LOST TO THE RAMS😂😂😂

[@warrenrambo]

Chris killed this segment

[@williejohnson5172]

Literally, with his Alice in Wonderland logic

[@Silverarrows445]

2:55 “historic precedent” going to Allen is actually outrageous. 😂😂. Lamar setting records, qbr, rushing, and Allen has what, TikTok highlights? This take loses credibility.

[@JH7xXCampus]

I said the same thing how Lamar winning a 3rd MVP can’t happen because he hasn’t won a championship smh

[@mrb2222]

You obviously didn’t understand the take….. this comment loses credibility

[@pajamajordan2991]

I agree Barkley is the clear MVP and I don’t even think it’s close

[@Joe_Kondeez]

Its crazy that this years mvp is based off of last years selection. People forget that ravens played the 2nd toughest schedule of all teams, ran the gauntlet and won. That factor itself won Lamar his 2nd MVP, NOT because of his stats. Now allen stans are comparing Joshs mvp case to Lamars last year, but Lamar never throws that many interceptions. They use this comparison as to why Allen should win.. hes had one of the weakest schedules this year. Statistically Allens worst year since 2019. Lost head to head against the ravens, allen stans have amnesia when it comes to that game and their rebuttal to it is "yall lost to browns and raiders" like Allen had a part in those games, also it only worsens allens mvp case lol minshew and winston ran through the defence Allen couldnt score on? Sympathy award at best.

[@marshallmoragneel5737]

Also...Every Raven loss was by a touchdown or less despite a struggling kicker and a just ok defense