Josh Duggar's Shocking Behavior Caught On Audio, Accidental Confessions, Stunning Implications

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Josh Duggar sat in a car while he listened to two people explain to him what they found on his computer. During the discussion, Josh stumbled and attempted to talk his way out of the situation. However, at the very end, Josh slipped and ultimately gave them what they needed.
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[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Hey everyone, I want to share what plausible deniability means related to Josh Duggar’s interview. According to definitions.uslegal.com/p/plausable-deniability/ “Plausible Deniability refers to circumstances where a denial of responsibilty or knowledge of wrongdoing can not be proved as true or untrue due to a lack of evidence proving the allegation. This term is often used in reference to situations where high ranking officials deny responsibilty for or knowledge of wrongdoing by lower ranking officials. In those situations officials can "plausibly deny" an allegation even though it may be true. It also refers to any act that leaves little or no evidence of wrongdoing or abuse.” For Josh, he was attempting to argue that as the owner of the car lot he had no idea what his employees might be involved in. By denying knowledge of his employees, he’s attempting to distance himself from the crime. This tactic is commonly used in politics, corporations, and espionage. A senior ranking official will deny what people underneath them were doing to avoid consequences. By setting the stage that he lacked knowledge, Josh from the beginning had his mind set on blaming his employees. This is what became Josh’s defense. Fortunately for everyone, this did not work because the evidence did not support the plausible denial nor that anyone else downloaded the content. Hope this helps!

[@kathypetersen4694]

Well yeah..

[@jessicatouart3841]

Ohhh yeah. He was going for that hard. I'm so glad that people were able to see through his BS and the right decision was made. I feel terrible for all the people who worked for him that he is trying to turn on. It's so sad.

[@debbietrego1540]

@@jessicatouart3841 I'm wondering why he even needed employees in that rinky dink place. It's not like he sold tons of cars every day. Maybe when he was busy "dabbling" he needed an employee to sell cars.

[@jessicatouart3841]

@@debbietrego1540 yesssss. Exactly. Could they even have a meeting all together in there?🤦🏻‍♀️

[@t.d.k.2247]

Z z

[@jeanieolahful]

I love this agent. He knows what is going on, yet he remains friendly and casual, and he treats Josh like he’s totally innocent. Well done, sir.

[@arlenehynes4607]

Same! He even laughed about stuff that Josh was laughing about. He did an amazing job!!!

[@cathynuytten798]

These agents are heroes! And to think JimBob called them unprofessional. Josh needs an extra 10 years just for that.

[@brewerrkjb]

@@cathynuytten798 Right! Stay hard, Agent Faulkner and Officer Kalmer.

[@giulianacr2638]

@@cathynuytten798 Jim Bob is the unprofessional and crooked one going up on the stand saying he didn't remember when and how his daughters got SA by his own son

[@giulianacr2638]

@@brewerrkjb Yes these officers are heroes. They can't unsee the material they process with these cases, yet they do it to save children. It takes a lot to do what these people do.

[@stephaniesands119]

His lack of shock, disgust, or concern is SO telling.

[@reggiemckenzie3460]

Sociopathic behavior.. definitely.

[@stephaniesands119]

@@reggiemckenzie3460 he definitely thought he was the smartest one in the room

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

That was my thoughts too.

[@jeanP924]

Precisely.

[@nelliejoy8428]

He’s a psychopath!

[@funnshynn]

“At this point it’s probably best that you just listen.” Even the investigators think he’s talking too much.

[@HairWeGoAgain9]

He’s used to being able talk his way out of anything. A true used care salesman.

[@marysmith5544]

@@HairWeGoAgain9 I was thinking that too. Fast talking example of "if u can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull$hit"

[@mariallen3995]

@@marysmith5544 HMM!

[@jess261]

Wait, wait. Wasn't a HUGE part of his defense that he is/was completely ignorant to how computer systems/WiFi/networks worked? I listened to this whole interview. He knows more than the average person.

[@brewerrkjb]

Yep, that was the tactic his lawyers tried to push anyway. Worked out real WELL for them, didn't it? "Guilty as charged."

[@alejandraalejandra4700]

Jess261 this telling us about how Duggars lawer is a LIAR, not one who standing by American law or justice

[@Texas_Baby_Blue]

Right? He talks about daisy chaining (I had to look that one up, it's an electrical engineering term) and reconfiguring routers - that's some sophisticated sh*t! So is building a Linux wall in a hard drive. Would it ever occur to you to do such a thing if you weren't hiding something serious?

[@klaythoring1326]

I don’t know HOWWWWW my internet was set up to hide my IP! I didn’t realize TOR wasn’t Torrent, I don’t know what those are. My buddy just told me to use TOR. p2p is so much less convenient to use for innocuous things, but I’m not good at these elecronics? Elexitrics? you’re talking about

[@byBeauxARTFULIVING]

@@Texas_Baby_Blue yes and "edge to edge " and "marked the ip", i have no idea what these terms mean but josh seems to KNOW a whole LOT. i also thought he built computers for homeschoolers or church friends. the detective is PASSIONATE about protecting child victims and josh basically tells him "stfu and tell me if up or download !! " what a MONSTER, i doubt he will ever leave prison alive, where arrogant jerks are not tolerated by much tougher men than cupcake joshy

[@graciesmom62]

Thank you, Agent Faulkner and Team, for putting this monster behind bars. ♥️♥️

[@katyo4712]

"I'm not denying guilt." "I'm not saying I'm not guilty." I just can't imagine myself saying these things in a situation in which I was innocent.

[@brewerrkjb]

Agreed. It's a dumb thing to say. Who knows? Did he even realize the horrible connotations of this statement when he made it? The Duggar's aren't the most articulate people I've ever listened to. That's because most of their conversations begin with or contain the adjectives "precious" "sweet", "special" "joyful" fluff words that don't mean anything.

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

Agreed.

[@Smileyson58]

💯

[@debbie4503]

Alternative facts, maybe?

[@declanlawson4515]

Right!! If I'm innocent, I'm going to be so vocal about it cause this is serious.

[@jamiemiesler322]

I love how the police just say it like it is “We’re trying to save children from being victimized”. If my computer was in question for having CP I’d be freaking out & I’d have no problem saying “Here! Tear it apart! You’re not gonna find a damn thing with CP.”

[@lostinwonderland6873]

100% what I said too, especially having his own kids being the same ages

[@michellebrown3563]

Exactly!! I’d be handing over every electronic device I own and give them my passcodes. I would be shocked and disgusted. The fact that he didn’t seem a bit shocked was so telling.

[@sammyleebee]

Immediately. Without question. Take whatever you need. I’ll be over here crying and trying not to vomit at the thought. I’d be inconsolable.

[@nanaberry4120]

For real!

[@sisboombah9595]

He probably thought he was so slick. He knew exactly what to ask. Not just evil, he's pretty dumb and inept too.

[@AmyBee4]

The TOR thing got Josh crapping his pants.

[@HowCaseySeesIt]

I love how he’s like “oh, everyone has this password… but you can’t” 😂

[@lostinwonderland6873]

He also claimed he has sticky notes with the password all over the office, bs of course especially in that shack he calls business 🙄

[@lauragore5489]

Right

[@stacyneuman8619]

I thought that was funny myself,he new he was busted.

[@debshaw680]

@@lostinwonderland6873 which he apparently took down and burned right before the FBI came knocking.

[@debrawallace4542]

And he thinks the FBI going through his computer can't figure out his passwords? He won't give them his password but then says he isn't going to deny his guilt? Totally ASSinine!!!

[@basic_CeceRae]

I think Josh talks so casually because appearing candid has always went well for him. It’s made him appear to be open and that he was “sharing his heart” with his community and especially with his parents. He wanted to appear open,cooperative and like-able. Cultivating a persona conducive with these traits has almost always worked in his favor. If he can just keep talking he will likely talk his way out of it and even be praised for his openness. However what works with mommy and daddy doesn’t work with homeland security. But Josh wouldn’t know this because he has been taught that he doesn’t answer to the law but rather only to his parents and their idea of God.

[@Grandee7585]

“their idea of God” Exactly!

[@lauragray4052]

You’re right, the organism will keep doing what it is doing, until it can’t anymore and it’s evolve or death.

[@margaretjamison1576]

That expression, "sharing one's heart" is a Christianese phrase that I detest. It is a huge turn-off for me. It really means "to talk about or share one's opinion", but I guess "sharing one's heart" makes them sound more holy.

[@naturefleur2062]

Very well said. Completely agree on all these points. He’s finally having to be accountable for the first time in his life.

[@kathypetersen4694]

Oh sharing your heart thing they always use makes me nauseated

[@tarajones5087]

I listened to the whole thing today. It’s incredibly obvious that’s he’s guilty from day one. His reaction to their reason for using a search warrant at his business is incriminating. I would be shocked and disgusted if I was search for these aligations and I would happily give over my iPhone passcode among other things. As a father of 6 at this point, he should have been appalled but he wasn’t

[@lilacscentedfushias1852]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@karensiegel6669]

Why is he talking to these officers? I would be shaking and crying if asked all these questions. I would give them my phone and passwords if they asked because I would have nothing to hide.

[@martacubillo9340]

Anna needs to hear this!!!!

[@tarajones5087]

@Candice Lynn and when they said there were there to save children from exploitation and SA he was silent.

[@tarajones5087]

@@martacubillo9340 I’m sure she’s heard it

[@carolinaalvesdelima675]

Lol! Classic when the fed tells him in the beginning that it's better for him to just not say anything as he just blabbed away 🤪

[@higbees31]

Loose lips sinks ships

[@gigiwoodlawn2142]

People can't help themselves

[@itsjac2081]

Give 'em enough rope ..! Well done Joshy karma has caught up to you at last!!!

[@ReVerseMe100]

Just a note from someone in IT…It’s standard practice for a business to have a password protected router for private use and an open router that is not password protected for the guest. We set up all our clients who are open to the public that way. It actually shows how tech savvy Josh really is.

[@bethjarvis8337]

I don't care how big of a narcissist he is.... You can physically HEAR the nervousness in his voice once the agent tells him why they're there ! I wish we had this on video.

[@warropr69]

Loved listening to Agent Faulkner’s line of questioning! He was so calm and non-accusatory, it kept Joshua right on singing! He was stating some pretty ugly facts but he never said we think you did it.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

I really liked Agent Faulkner

[@brewerrkjb]

Agent Faulkner and Office Kalmer of the L.R.P.D. rock!

[@darbyhamilton]

Josh gives me so many gross feelings. How can Anna possibly be attracted to that "man". Yuck yuck yuck 🤮

[@auntlynnie]

My thought: she was told to.

[@vixenlynn3980]

She grew up dirt poor. So called fame and money was a big factor in my opinion

[@zebrawarriorprincess1748]

She’s Josh’s Super Fan! lol 😝

[@Peachie4011]

Same, he is worse than the candy man in the white van. So gross and deeply disturbing. He did this and he needs to be locked away.

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

Birds of a feather flock together.....just saying.

[@lauragossert6282]

For a guy who grew up so sheltered, he sure knew a whole lot of lingo that even I don't know. There is no way he isn't guilty.

[@yorkie6760]

His questions about uploading/downloading were shocking to me. Had this been me, all I would have been saying is "here, take my phone, take my computers, take anything you need. What can I do to help?" His apparent lack of concern for the kids involved told me everything I needed to know.

[@tylerlasarow]

An innocent father of seven would be floored if he found this out. It's very very telling that Joshua a father of seven didn't even flinch when finding out why they were there, this man is very dangerous.

[@mama.p.9383]

He absolutely thought he was getting away with it. He's been pampered and been put on a pedestal all his life and thought Daddy would protect him again. He deserves to rot in prison for life!!

[@SS-yt9dr]

I pray he gets life in prison. People like that don’t change and can’t be rehabilitated

[@dtwolfe63]

Unfortunately he will probably be sentenced to 20 years for each count (served concurrently) and basically serve about 10. Hopefully though he'll serve the full 20 years 🙏...

[@brewerrkjb]

@@dtwolfe63 I predict (hope) he'll receive 20 - 25 years, that way, he might be out in about 13 to 18 years if he shows some good behavior.

[@ALaughaday1]

After listening to this, I am concerned that he may have created, uploaded, and shared content. His children and all of the children around him need to be evaluated.

[@hawaiionmymind1338]

My thoughts exactly.

[@lindakienle531]

I think the judge ordered a child welfare check of all his children as part of the sentencing investigation prior to being sentenced.

[@kathypetersen4694]

Yes he sure did say uploaded? alot

[@Clymers1984]

Katie, thank you for all the research you do & keeping us up to date!! I pray they make an example of him. In my opinion, we need tougher laws & punishments for anyone that harms children or elderly!! I loved when the officer said, “you should probably just listen”.

[@LanieJohnson-fc7jz]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@janice576]

Anna literally disgusts me that from the get go she didn't protect her children. She stood by a extremely sick and disgusting POS. I honestly do not think she should have her children. What I'm curious is were the children checked out physically to make sure Josh didn't SA them..Omg the thought brings tears to my eyes.

[@hopemags9642]

I wonder if the Police called Children Services to investigate I would be shocked if they didn’t investigate to be honest and considering it is about minors they are not going to report it publicly perhaps. I am not in the USA so I could be wrong. I agree about Anna but I think this cult has her so brainwashed I hope eventually she leaves with the children. Jill seems to be genuinely happy.

[@reactionswitherin5504]

They are both disgusting. He is disgusting for what he did and she is disgusting for choosing this POS over her kids and supporting him. I hope they do take her kids away from her. She is an unfit mother.

[@michellemcdonald1633]

Agreed her FIRST concern should be her children NOT Josh who is obviously guilty of many thing's How could she support him at all 😡

[@junniebear49]

It’s even grosser to me his kids are in his computer background 🤢🤢🤢 on the computer he does this on…

[@janekemp55]

Anna isn’t thinking rationally. It doesn’t appear that she’s able to put her children’s needs ahead of Joshes. Scary and sad for their SEVEN kids.

[@_furrst_]

I can't believe he's having this conversation at all without a lawyer. After all he went through when he was younger, did JB never teach him not to have any discussions/interviews with law enforcement without an attorney? It's insane to me. Even being 100% innocent, it's good to have your attorney guide you. The sheer narcissism of thinking you could talk your way out of these things.

[@missiecombs4807]

In his mind he is untouchable! Good ol mom & dad have taught him that he's the golden boy who catget away with anything & everything.

[@alvilda13]

I agree. I have several friends who are lawyers and I can hear them all screaming to NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer ESPECIALLY if you’re innocent. You have no idea what your phone has picked up on the internet. You can’t account that every file in your computer is clean. This idea that people who are innocent have nothing to hide has led to real innocent people accidentally incriminating themselves and wrongly charged.

[@momwithaplan1287]

@@alvilda13 💯! Cop’s are NEVER your friend,ever. It’s their job to find dirt on you. So Never help them to do that. Innocent or not. It’s Not your job or obligation to help them prosecute you. Just stay silent at all times, when questioned, even if you think it makes you look guilty. Who cares. Of course only if you want to file a report, then speak freely to a certain degree even. Stay safe out there. Always remember your rights, they are there for a reason and purpose.

[@katieb4236]

Am I the only one thoroughly enjoying watching Josh swirl around the bottom of the drain with all this?

[@c.hansen3139]

Nope. It's great to hear . . .

[@Rebecca-ei6zs]

There is absolutely no question in my mind about it. Josh harmed his own children and we will find out soon enough. This audio was so insanely telling. Anna’s ONLY responsibility and loyalty should be for her kids. That’s it. So infuriating all the nights and days her kids spent dealing with the trauma of their father’s absence where they only needed their mother and she chose him over and over and over. Disgusting.

[@mnab72708]

I have said the same thing!!!! There is no way on this earth he did not touch those babies. None. I wish To GOD that Anna would get slapped back down to earth bc her damn kids are suffering.

[@justagirlnamedshawn]

I 100 PERCENT agree and have said from day one, he has done things to his children. Anna disgusts me.

[@tressabailey827]

1000% TRUE

[@niamhnidhalaigh5861]

Absolutely because he kept asking if they were looking for downloads or uploads 😪

[@tylerlasarow]

If he touched his sister's what would stop him from touching his children. A good indicator of future behavior is past behavior. I hate how this religion fails women and children

[@nettycakes5293]

He’s giving waaay to many details, He’s definitely trying to defend himself with his answers. So guilty. Nervous chitter chatter 😂😅

[@InHimAlone]

Yep, reminded me if Chris Watts when they were searching his house with him.

[@traceyreed9167]

Did you catch the breathing? He KNEW from the beginning exactly where it was leading. His shaky voice to responses, the exhale after a question….he knew. His arrogance reveals his stupidity. But the officers are professionals well versed in getting their confessions. They practiced everything prior to this and did a damn good job. Sympathy helped them here and other detectives going through training will probably use this as a demo on how to get it done right.

[@cathynuytten798]

He sounds like a ten year old trying to talk their way out of something. Just keep talking and bore your listener to death. Those agents have seen a boat load of Josh like characters in their careers. He was wasting his time and breath. 😃

[@marthaberdiel5785]

What a creep! He knew he was busted "do you mean down loaded or up loaded" Own what you did and do your time creep! Children need protected and I'm glad he got popped!

[@InHimAlone]

@@marthaberdiel5785 Makes me think he did both and he wanted to know which one he got caught for.

[@JessicaFrameMusic]

Him asking so many times “was it uploaded or downloaded” just makes me think, like you said, he wanted to know what was caught. Which tells me he was doing both. If they haven’t already evaluated his kids and checked on them, they NEED to. And I would say his local nieces/nephews need to be evaluated, too. That family is very close. Those poor kids.

[@haleywhitten1947]

YES!!! Truly truly want those sisters and nieces evaluated immediately. There are photos of Josie as a young young child on his lap and he was like gripping her/holding his hands tight.

[@JessicaFrameMusic]

@@haleywhitten1947 poor girls. I forgot some of his sisters were still super young. Yes, and I would say evaluate all of them, not just the girls. People who commit these offenses aren’t usually that picky. They’d all be at risk.

[@missiecombs4807]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

[@sherip9854]

For someone that claims to not understand tech. He sure used a lot of the lingo, until he acted confused and stumbled on his lies.

[@karenlord600]

Seriously, why would he need all those electronics for a dozen POS cars? Electronics, blinds, cameras, strong locks, 🤔

[@cynthiaevery2801]

And paper towels. Yuck

[@heidiclarke2333]

Cynthia that was my first reaction to the paper towel to, nicely in reach🤢🤮

[@thelanguageofthebirds]

So sickening.

[@eliseintheattic9697]

Wouldn't an innocent person also ask "what the heck is this all about"? If Feds just showed up at my company and started asking 100s of questions about my computers and phones I'd want to know why they're asking. It would have been very suspicious to me that he never asked or seemed surprised they were there.

[@daisyadele967]

That's what I was thinking

[@NewtOKC]

He didn’t ask because he knew why they were there.

[@debrapalmer9772]

@@NewtOKC You betcha he knew exactly why they were there. What he didn't know is that they are smarter than he is.

[@thelanguageofthebirds]

Exactly

[@indigomoon777]

I have this creepy feeling about how much Anna really knew.

[@arlenehynes4607]

I thought the same thing. I remember Katie saying that Anna or her parents knew about his disgusting acts to his siblings. Anna knew what he was like from the get go. Thank goodness the previous girl was smart enough to end things!

[@thecitywhisperer4841]

I have wondered if the car lot was just a front for Josh. If he really made his money by diligently sharing/selling CSAM (in addition to consuming it). Those cars weren’t moving off that lot, they’re most likely lemons. He said they found thumb drives and money and cell phones in the cars all the time… maybe those things were placed in the cars ON PURPOSE. Like a peer to peer sharing network of CSAM via the cars? And that’s how he provided diligently for his family- and Anna knew/ knows, maybe was initially shocked and disgusted, but ultimately justified it as long as it kept them in the lifestyle she’d grown accustomed to?

[@sharonhouse5773]

She is as creepy as he is and probably was into this kind of disgusting acts with his children. When will they question her? No decent mother would let him around her children and she would have gotten out of that relationship a long time ago.

[@danielleparker9484]

How disgusting. This was hard to get through. He’s guilty, without question. He should have called his lawyer as soon as they arrived on the premises but I doubt it would have helped him out. He’s such an evil person and deserves every single day that the judge sentences him to. Absolutely revolting.

[@lhernan301]

Hosh has been told his whole life that he was the chosen one. He does not believe he can be held accountable for what he does. His attitude will be quickly adjusted once he is transferred to prison.

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

If Detectives came to my home and suggested that they had found something similar which was sourced to my IP address, I would be horrified. There were moments when I could almost hear Josh's brain screaming "who can I blame?". He stopped nattering as soon as he was told what had been found. He knew he was in big trouble. Josh knows his way around the internet. He's the family tech guy, according to his mother. What a disgusting individual. Thanks Katie.

[@justagirlnamedshawn]

@Elizabeth Grogan yep, I could hear his brain just swirling, like you said, "who can I blame" "think fast" so glad he is stupid, his attorneys got something right when they basically said Michelle did a crappy homeschooling job with him.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Texas_Baby_Blue]

Exactly. Not only would any innocent person be horrified, they'd want to try and get to the bottom of it immediately and figure out who had this sick sh*t. They'd do everything they could to assist investigators, not refuse to give up their PIN and say "well, I'm not gonna say I'm guilty, not gonna say I'm not guilty, you know, I know people who've said that kind of thing and they ended up in trouble before." Un-effing-real.

[@tarayed9948]

Him being a father, and they said to him, "this is someone's little boy, little girl" ... and he has NO response to that. None. I would be absolutely heartbroken and disgusted that anyone could ever begin to think I was viewing that! He is so nonchalant. Absolutely disgusting!

[@carrierobinson8046]

Yeah, it seemed like that was the agent's final attempt to elicit an appropriate emotional response from Josh and...nothing.

[@AdamsBrew78]

“I’m not denying my guilt” -Anna Duggar’s husband Someone needs to take this particular audio clip and send it to Anna - maybe include the part where they describe the victimized children beforehand, Her denial won’t last forever, especially if someone chips away at it from all angles.

[@lovesanimalshatesrats6339]

She was there every day of the trial she’s heard it.

[@brewerrkjb]

Why not just come out and say I Did It?

[@alejandraalejandra4700]

@@brewerrkjb because daddy duggar knew already what his golden one doing and commanded him:" hush- hush! Just do not spoil your momys big dream to let see others how great our family is!?!"

[@carl112466]

As I heard right hear on YT from a police officer is, everybody has a story. The guilty and the innocent. I should know because I did work with the DOC and was a police officer. Even if you are innocent you should never talk with the police as it may be use against you. You can make a honest mistake and the statement is used out of context by the DA. The DA can and will make you look like the biggest murdering, lying serial killer that has walked the Earth even when you are innocent. Now Josh had the right to remain silent but lacked the ability to remain silent. P.S. By no means do I think Josh is innocent. He is a sick in the head narcissist.

[@janice576]

Thank You for your Service...I Back The Blue.👮‍♂️🚔👮‍♀️

[@sarabeacher]

I agree. Even if you’re innocent never talk to the police! And if your attorney says it’s okay, get another one. Josh is guilty as hell tho.

[@martacubillo9340]

I agree. Sometimes innocent people get convicted because they said something that incriminated them. He did not use common sense. He wanted so bad to act nonchalant and answer all those questions. He is definitely guilty however stupid!

[@itsjac2081]

Yep. I am not saying or giving anything to the Police w/o and a lawyer. I will evoke my rights to keep my mouth shut!

[@jl3293]

This was what ran through my mind, too. Josh is a piece of work, but he should have zipped his lips. Innocent or guilty, you should not speak to an officer without an attorney or to hand things over that were not specified within the warrant, etc. Be respectful... absolutely. But, zip it.

[@googleuser8422]

Josh specifically says Tor...and then all of a sudden he's all "I don't know " . I can't even stand to hear him!

[@paranoidmarvinn]

If I had cops at my place investigating this situation and I was told someone in my property had been messing with this sort of stuff I would be having 19 simultaneous panic attacks. He just keeps asking if it was uploaded or downloaded.

[@arlenehynes4607]

I said the same thing on another comment. I already have severe panic attacks. They would have to tranquilize me!!!!

[@laurac389]

He talked because he’s a narcissist and narcissists love to hear the sound of their voice and always believe s/he’s the most intelligent person, by far, in any scenario. This also explains why he didn’t ask for counsel; he thinks himself smarter and savvier than every attorney. Narcissism is a facet of sociopathy as is pathological lying, but he lacks the high intelligence that is a hallmark of sociopathy.

[@nanaberry4120]

It worked with his parents. He would just play innocent and they were more than ready to believe him.

[@noellewithane6111]

They mostly lie to themselves.

[@bethmoore7722]

You’ve nailed him. Narcissists are actually proud of what they can get away with, but get caught because they just won’t shut up. Have you noticed Alec Baldwin’s behavior since that shooting. He knows that he was responsible for the workers on that set, but he ignored their concerns. His lawyer has not been able to shut him up.

[@ryanshank1307]

Laura you are so right. A hundred percent. I personally know a person who is a total narcissist. They never stop talking about how they know everything! It's exausting. You cannot even have a conversation with them because the butting in makes you want to scream. Sometimes people do. Not kidding. They lose most of their friends because they NEVER stop. Everyone us wrong and they are right or better than ANYONE. I cannot deal with this higher then mighty bull. Sometimes I think they know their wrong but won't step up. This is so Josh. Stay away from these toxic people. They will ruin you if you don't know better. Seriously. Thanks Katie for exposing Josh to us all. So madning.

[@GreatLakesGirl247]

If Anna hasn't woken up after seeing and hearing this, she will never see it. She's turning s blind eye and deaf ear to it.

[@noellewithane6111]

She apparently left the court before evidence was admitted

[@angelbasham6631]

She's choosing this

[@krisc7135]

The "I'm not denying my guilt" statement was just the second smoking gun. The first, IMO, was his repeated "uploaded or downloaded" question. An innocent person wouldn't even THINK to ask that. Only someone with first hand knowledge would. Yes, he was panicked, but, I don't think it was because he KNEW he was caught. I believe it was more "I think I just gave too much info...they MIGHT use that against me" type of panic. I believe Josh is too much of a narcissist to think that he was immediately caught - just that it was possible. I firmly believe that he still thought he would get out of this, at that point. I also cringed during the "just listen part". His mmmm hhmmmmm's seem like he's disregarding what he's hearing...so flippant. UGH!

[@Katiegirlluv]

You are so good at explaining these legal details! You really help me understand this case.

[@arlenehynes4607]

I agree.... I am not computer savvy and have never heard of any of this stuff! I literally only know how to use my phone for games, texting and talking!

[@juliechildress8905]

Katie Joy, thank you for keeping everyone updated on the Duggars and the other families affiliated with the IBLP. I hope Josh Duggar never gets out of prison. If he's ever eligible for parole, I hope he loses the chance for freedom.

[@jessicatouart3841]

I believe he's guilty as hell however I disagree. You never talk without a lawyer. He should never have spoken to them at all.

[@christinazeitman]

Very true. I’m one that will not speak unless I have my mil (who has a law license but is retired) or one of her peeps present. Don’t give them something to use against you. I think Josh is guilty but you do not give info to the cops or feds Willy nilly! They can use that against you even if you are not guilty.

[@chrissymeri4957]

Why?? It's a good thing he's that stupid. Don't protect the sicko! Wtf

[@kathypetersen4694]

@@christinazeitman Don't yiu know he was raised in a holy Christian family though? Honesty is the best policy. Lol

[@mariontheantiquarian7849]

I am a former law enforcement officer, & married to a law enforcement officer. I would never speak to any law enforcement w/enforcement w/o an attorney.

[@itsjac2081]

@@mariontheantiquarian7849 thank you both for your service 👮👮& the sound advice!!I agree whole heatedly!

[@dee7019]

He’s showing his experience with electronics. He can’t claim he’s a novice.

[@lilacscentedfushias1852]

‘I believe’ was said often, simple questions such as where are the routers? Of course he knew the real answers. He thinks he’s so intelligent, so perfect, such a great actor, than mere peasants like us & the team who investigated him are below them. He’s a golden child, he’s been spoon fed rubbish all his life. We aren’t worth anything because we aren’t in a cult. To him woman don’t matter…unless it’s to take blame. He’s gone on & on about women dressing modestly and women who don’t are belittled by the cult.

[@junniebear49]

But what cracked me up is him knowing what an IP address is, although he’s fully aware he has TOR to avoid being tracked in the first place😂 he’s really more surprised he was tracked on the dark web!

[@fairygrandma9127]

The fact that the agents were able to entice him to talk to them and trust them... is incredible! This interview sealed his fate, totally.

[@sara31773]

I think he thought if he was super chill during the investigation he would seem less guilty.

[@nelliejoy8428]

He’s delusional lol.

[@arlenehynes4607]

If I was being questioned for any criminal matter, I would have a massive panic attack and crying unconsolably! I would say take anything and everything in electronics. (I only own a phone and I know nothing about electronics. Not computer savvy at all!)

[@merricat3025]

Yes. That's been is standard of practice. It's work for him for years. He's a scammer just like his father. I think they're both perverts

[@genuinepessimist5185]

If someone told me there was someone obtaining this disgusting material on my property or devices I would be mortified and give everything over immediately so they could find out who is doing it. I think that is a response any normal person would have. The fact that he wasn’t surprised at all and was only worried about was semantics and backtracking his statements is so telling

[@missiecombs4807]

Exactly

[@sheilahill8104]

He was caught and he knew it. But just thought he could lie his way out of it. Anyone watching this could tell with a few minutes that he was totally guilty !

[@nelliejoy8428]

I hope he almost shit himself from fear.

[@anne-julieregnier4677]

How can he answer "I don't know" so many times about devices that are in his business. He doesn't know who brought them there? Come on!!!

[@marymartin6142]

I was thinking the same thing

[@KeilahMcDonald]

I watched a training video the other day about how to spot a liar in 15 seconds. An FBI agent was training some Corporate Executives, HR Supervisors, and other individuals how to spot a liar in the workplace. There were more indicators in Josh's actions, verbal and silence, that I knew by the first question he was not being truthful. I can't imagine how many physical indicators were present during their interview. Unbelievable 🤦‍♀️

[@karamurphy4800]

With how many times he asks about uploading vs. downloading makes me think he absolutely is guilty of victimizing his children and posting pictures. Those poor kids.

[@Nickabod79]

I wonder if he knew uploading CSAM was illegal, but didn't know that downloading it was. I could see him being that stupid.

[@singamajigy]

I hope he faces even more prison time for this.

[@montyollie]

RE: thumb drives. I'm a computer tech who works in IT in a public school board and I am always finding thumb drives (or at least 5-10 years ago I did) and yeah, they would wind up in a basket somewhere and we would often wipe them and re-use them. They were a dime a dozen, and a lot were low capacity swag that got handed out when universities came to advertise or stuff like that. So it's not TOTALLY unusual to have a lot of digital crap and use it from time to time. We had to create bootable drives from time to time and would just grab a random one out of the basket. Just another viewpoint about how it's POSSIBLE but not likely in Josh's case.

[@druckercmp]

agree, I would wide and use. Why buy more when your just going to though it back in the draw.

[@Herladyship54]

I cannot believe he even talked without a lawyer! He's not to bright. I still think both of his parents, especially JB, should be charged. The lies they've told and things they've done to coverup this whole situation and NOT protected their own girls, is disgusting!!

[@jschamonix]

You did a good job walking us through the audio. thanks!! Everyone needs to know what a creep this guy is.

[@fulltimerver2355]

When he said we don't want those kids to be revictimized, an innocent person would have shown concern for the kid.

[@janebute6203]

Especially a father of 6/7 kids.

[@lostinwonderland6873]

Especially having kids, yet we got nothing because he doesn't care, he is a monster and only reason he had kids is because they don't believe in birth control and ana is a breeder, she wanted a big family and he only cared about front hugging on the bed🤮

[@fulltimerver2355]

@@janebute6203 Yes, great point .

[@sayhello5377]

It’s disturbing to me that Josh asks two or three times for the agent to specify whether images had been uploaded or downloaded. In my opinion, Josh probably did both, and maybe he got away with uploading because he wasn’t caught. That is so absolutely disgusting and I hope that he has not harmed his children. 😱😱😱

[@martacubillo9340]

He was trying to see if they actually can pinpoint the exact laptop, phone etc that this was done on. He was already worried!!!

[@heatheralbanese7919]

Girl, you are such a great sleuth! I saw sites that were disparaging to you. I am sorry. Ignore them please. You are the very best.

[@terrymurdock4409]

Yep, Katey is good. I found her the same way. Other channels was talking bad about her, I was like huh, let me check out this channel. I love it, Katey knows her stuff. The other channel has no real clue what their talking about, other then what all of us watched on the tube. Katey gets in there and pulls up the real dirt. LoL I love it.

[@fulltimerver2355]

I think people who see those sites often check her out and decide to follow her.

[@equality379]

😂😂😂 she is rapidly clutching at straws and being nasty to everyone in comments on her insta and other social media. Serious issues get clouded by doing stupid things like posting about tissues in a bin or superimposing Michelle’s head on to an advertisement for her own merch.

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

@@equality379 Jim Blob is that you? 🤣

[@karamurphy4800]

She’s even better then Nancy Drew!

[@giulianacr2638]

"Are there images being uploaded or downloaded?" he asked that twice. This is extremely suspicious, my God! He uploaded images for sure at a point during the time in question. He probably got rid of the evidence.

[@carmena7976]

This is exactly why you have the right to remain silent. So Joshy boy had the right, but apparently not the ability...and that's great. Narcissists like him will always talk themselves into a corner. Always.

[@anharaalexander8414]

I don’t think Anna is unaware of his behavior. That’s her husband, she knows when he’s lying

[@justagirlnamedshawn]

Anna knows...she just wants to ignore it. I am sure with everyone phone conversation right now, he is telling her how he was framed.

[@samclarn]

I love when Josh cracks little jokes, thinking they’re “buddies”. I can definitely see how Josh has weaseled his way out of trouble in the past. No wonder he thought he could do it again.

[@christinecrowley7132]

After hearing this interview and knowing his slips of the tounge. It surprises me that he didn't take the plea deal. To further continue with a appeal, mind boggling.

[@madewithloveandbutter5598]

The “image” is the most important thing. He can never admit guilt.

[@lindakienle531]

He has been raisedI to believe he is entitled. His parents have been covering for all of his evil doing his whole worthless life. Wait till he gets to prison.

[@05BabyReg]

That's narcissism, baby. They're NEVER wrong.

[@05BabyReg]

@@lindakienle531 god I hope he gets what's coming to him...if you know what I mean. Sorry not sorry

[@2ared952]

Just because you have nothing to hide doesn’t mean you willingly give authorities permission to go through your phone. Any experienced lawyer would tell you that. 🥴

[@cwayzums]

Exactly. I honestly think that he was just exercising his rights here, but of course the investigators were there to test the waters and see what he'd be willing to do as far as passwords and pin numbers go. It sounded like Josh was trying to remain calm because if he panicked then he would have seemed guilty. In the end, he just sounded unsurprised.

[@teraconley7173]

Correct! However with the severity of the crime.. Anyone who knows nothing is going to agree to get off their radar quicker! Even if it is AFTER they speak to a lawyer.

[@Stephanie-SageFox]

Agreed

[@hard-truthsbetter-than-swe6543]

I think the carlot was just a front to make Josh seem "normal" and was just used as write off for JimBob.

[@juliaclark3383]

I agree. That car lot is so junky. Who would buy a car from there? Not me or anyone I know.

[@ginaware6117]

His reaction is all anyone needs to know the truth about this whole case. If an officer questioned me about my computers, laptops, and phones, I’d be asking “exactly what is the concerns of this investigation “? Then when told it’s about child ****, I would be gasping and going crazy with questions and denying anything to do with it at all. And give them full access to Everything and every single employee!

[@bethmoore7722]

That would be a normal reaction, from a decent person. I don’t know you, but I’ll bet you don’t even think crookedly enough to suspect such things, and that’s why you’d be so appalled.

[@giulianacr2638]

As soon as the feds mention CP, anyone's reaction would be to gasp, be shocked or even cry. Remaining cold and elusive while they are saying they are there for CP is a sign of deception. Being extremely chatty and trying to correct himself after answering incriminating questions is also a sign of deception. Asking if his IP is involved and asking other questions about what was downloaded or uploaded is not only deceptive but suspicious as hell. The question is, did he ever upload content too? He asked that question TWICE which is concerning. It makes my stomach turn to think of the possibility that he uploaded something to share illegally.

[@justagirlnamedshawn]

@gena ware that is what I told my husband! I would be saying, " I will help in anyway I can, what do you need access too" yada,yada. That idiot was caught and he knew it, and figured daddy would get him out of it

[@paulagallagher8695]

I agree that he panicked at the end and stumbled over his words. I think he believed he was smart enough to say the right things up until he realized all the work they'd already done and all thep evidence they would find and then he couldn't make himself sound so confident.

[@mrssmith3051]

Telling Homeland Security your guilty without saying "I'm Guilty" ......

[@abbymalone8192]

his reaction reminds me of when oj was notified that his ex-wife died and he immediately says “who killed her?”

[@elakinireland3637]

He is SO used to being interviewed for TV and having a facility to edit - whoops no editing here Josh

[@debshaw680]

Plus his appearances on Fox News.

[@fairygrandma9127]

He thought he was smarter than the federal agents... acted like he was being interviewed on a damned TV show or something.

[@cathymiller4479]

Katie you should wear teal/aqua more often! It is an amazing color for you!

[@jesslynns6422]

I feel like I can hear the stress deepen in his voice when it came out what they were looking for and Josh was asking all those questions about how they will narrow it down.

[@mimiof6722]

You are the first person I’ve seen that has the same name at my Granddaughter 😆

[@retrostephanie1]

Josh speaks with so much confidence and like he's untouchable. I really believe he thinks he's done no wrong. He compartmentalizes his life. Such a narcissist

[@maggieryan6988]

Imagine having him as a creepy slobby husband and seven kids. Gross.

[@chrissymeri4957]

That's not something I wanna imagine. But to each their own... You go right ahead and imagine what you'd like. 🤢

[@lostinwonderland6873]

Disgusting I know, I would of picked up my kids and left state. I would of worked 5 jobs if I had to but ana is a breeder she knows nothing else

[@nelliejoy8428]

🤢☠️

[@mattmitchell7350]

Anna thinks she got a stud, when she actually got a dud.

[@lostinwonderland6873]

@@mattmitchell7350 a stud not even close, they where young and stupid filled with hormones, he didn't even want her at first he was in love with someone else but once that girl found out what he had done she ran, and good for her but Ana was bought for him at the end of the day, they both are equally disgusting

[@higbees31]

The IP Address nailed him just like how it nailed The Craigslist Killer in Boston almost 10 years ago.

[@gsmith6026]

Yep, an IP address is like a fingerprint, no two are the same.

[@gracecaron773]

What friends got caught up in conspiracies? Fellow perps who share files? Other men who got caught? Surely not his ‘church’ buddies.

[@christinascott9698]

Can I just say that if I owned a business and these gentleman showed up, I would 1 MILLION PERCENT be: that's horrific, how can I assist, you have my full cooperation, do you need access to xyz, etc. This man seems like he has no soul. Not an ounce of genuine cooperation. Not an ounce of concern.

[@paigel7445]

Wow they better look into uploaded images. He seems VERY interested in finding out which he got caught for. His poor kids

[@melissamenchaca9121]

He keeps asking about transmitting. Is he inferring he’s CREATED this stuff before?? I’m wrong, right? Is he worried they’ve picked up on him creating and transmitting?

[@racheldoxtator7964]

Plus they found cameras there too. It seems to be in an isolated area. I believe there's a very good possibility he created some there.

[@wowmomwow08]

This what it sounded like to me. He asked twice upload or download? Which one would think he did both.

[@christinan.6117]

There's a reason why attorneys tell you to call them and NOT talk to police! Duh Josh!

[@debrapalmer9772]

Michelle's home schooling curriculum didn't include the Miranda rights.

[@christinan.6117]

@@debrapalmer9772 I was homeschooled with similar materials, so that's no excuse. Although my parents weren't IBLP, ATI.

[@absinthemindedJ]

@@debrapalmer9772 ha!

[@kathypetersen4694]

@@debrapalmer9772 lol

[@debrapalmer9772]

@@christinan.6117 Most kids learn about their Miranda rights from watching TV. (COPS) Oh, wait, Michelle and old Jimbo didn't let their kids watch TV either. Aren't you glad you weren't homeschooled by a cult?

[@nelliejoy8428]

It’s so infuriating to hear how he attempted to manipulate his way out of it, like he really thought he could hide forever. Careful Josh, the Bible says how everything hidden will be brought into the light and pride comes before the fall. Maybe it would have been better to submit to what the Bible says instead of judging other people with it...🤔

[@pachygyriaqueen4684]

If he was innocent I agree that he would give them anything to prove his innocence.

[@WhitneyCutthroat]

He really tried to pull the “ Yall found CP on a flash drive from the damn car lot. Not mine.”

[@AmyBee4]

If a cop was telling me about my IP address uploading that kind of stuff, I would be babbling like a crazy person. What? Who? When? Josh is decidedly...incurious.

[@karenkingrey6142]

You know, I’ve always heard that a guilty person will nearly always give themselves away. It’s the old “Freudian slip” it’s gets em every time. He also went from not knowing anything about computers/electronics to knowing the exact verbiage pertaining to it! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣😂 What an idiot. And yet what struck me was the first time the Detective stated their work was to “ save kids” he had no response. Just a “yeah”…. I cannot even imagine what my responses would have been to ANY part of this conversation.

[@hjarma3286]

It’s the calmness of him that’s so unnerving. He sounds like he is on a job interview the way he is chatting.

[@merricat3025]

Shows how good investigator is. Made him feel comfortable enough to talk.

[@VeChainStacks]

Innocent or guilty you NEVER talk to the police and you especially don't give them your password. Stop this "nothing to hide so share" stuff. That's not how the law works and they hope you do just that and give them the easy route. If you are innocent you especially shouldn't give them any info. Only guilty people do so without lawful orders. Every lawyer will tell you the same. Be cordial but don't answer questions and don't provide any info. I mean I'm glad Josh got caught but don't give bad advice.

[@dee7019]

I’m always shocked when a. Suspect doesn’t immediately call an attorney I’m sure he could have gotten one to come over immediately.

[@bridgetxrose]

Im glad he was too stupid to do that!

[@highjinx6519]

Yep you know daddy would’ve had one over there in minutes.

[@juliehanson4754]

Yep look how quick Jana had an attorney on speed dial!

[@Katiegirlluv]

Yep...mistake #1

[@tracisanders3445]

Narcissist’s are so self absorbed, they think they can charm their way out of everything, that’s why he didn’t call an attorney

[@zivagoldman2001]

What kind of "friends" is he hanging out with? He says "I've watched my friends answer things and they get them for conspiracy or for something and I just... federal statutes are broad, and there's a lot of things to it, and I'm not going to say anything that's going to incriminate me..." Then he says "I'm not denying guilt..." Wow! I guess Daddy Duggar didn't do his job when it came to protecting Josh from bad influences!

[@warropr69]

My thoughts exactly! What kind of friends does he hang with?!!!😂😂

[@sariew8853]

I just worry so much about his kids.

[@toxicwqste1645]

Yea when he said is it an upload or download made my stomache sink bc it makes me think he's done both. ):

[@gerdischaefer5361]

Wish his wife was worried about her kids.

[@steviasativa9803]

31:10 Detective: “So even if somethings on a computer that someone may have downloaded then deleted it, they’re gonna be able to find it” Josh: “yeah! that’s great” 😂. At no point does he even act remotely disgusted by what they found 💔

[@brewerrkjb]

He should've said: "Uh, oh!"

[@steviasativa9803]

@@brewerrkjb right 😂

[@rkenzie5235]

Encrypted pictures of cars……riveting.

[@SeeingHimNow]

Good grief! He is exhausting! These agents don’t get paid enough to listen to this stuff

[@beckymoran321]

Why is he telling them all this? Doesn’t he have the right to remain silent? WTF!

[@fulltimerver2355]

He has the right but not the ability.

[@janetscott5252]

Probably made him feel important to tell them all he knows & accomplished!😂

[@gayeyount7948]

He had the right just not the ability

[@AmandaPaige71]

He definitely has the right to remain silent just not the ability!

[@beckymoran321]

@@fulltimerver2355 Best Reply EVER!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AJ-qi4yn]

I'm getting criminally insane vibes ! He thinks he's so smart but he talked in circles and ended up snitching on himself. 🤣

[@jacqueline7973]

This religious man has no reaction to “someone” exploiting children…. It’s insane!…and he thought he would get off in court?! I can’t

[@daniellenilsen3430]

41 min...Josh said "I've watched my friends answer things and they get them for"..... How many of his friends are being investigated by Homeland Security/FBI????