Jill Duggar Exposes Jim Bob & Michelle's MISERABLE Marriage "She Wishes He'd Keep His Mouth Shut"

#ShinyHappyPeople #duggarfamily
Jill Duggar is set to star in a new docuseries about her family. However, Jill has been exposing her family's dysfunction for years. In a resurfaced record, Jill detailed her mom's depression and desire for Jim Bob to keep his mouth shut & treat others better.
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[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Hey everyone! I’m deleting comments that accuse me of being mean to Christians. This video is about the IBLP which is a cult. The group is toxic and dangerous to women and children. If you are a Christian that doesn’t follow the IBLP, this video isn’t about your church. I expose cults & the IBLP is one of the most dangerous ones out there, in my opinion. Thanks! Katie

[@geraldine4727]

As a born again believer who grew up related to this cult, I have to say that what you are saying in this video is 1000% correct. What makes it so insidious is that the IBLP mixes some truth with much heresy thereby deceiving many.

[@evelynshore9489]

Good for you Katie

[@Sahuaro_Christmas]

Mean? WTaF? Are we listening to the same video?

[@betteskeet1127]

As a Christian, THANK YOU for calling out False doctrine! It is NO different than Jill calling it out, herself! It takes people like you to finally rid the world of the cults who (like Scientology) would hide behind The Cross to avoid being exposed. Everyone wants to take a bow for the fall of these cults..but no one seems to want to do the real work of standing up to these people..calling them out wherever they me be. Thank you for doing this!

[@amy5700]

You're not mean to Christians at all. You're just calling some of these Cults out on their crap. Thank you for doing that. As a Christian I'm not offended by anything you say at all. Please keep it up.

[@JewishKeto]

I have a lot of respect for Derick. He’s standing by his wife and letting HER tell HER story.

[@brandylou9132]

Me too!!! He has been a blessing to the whole family

[@ValerieGriner]

I do, too! He seems like a wonderful person.

[@dariaduest5275]

It is beyond my comprehension that Jill is not allowed to be at the house without JB say so but josh is welcomed with open arms -sick

[@theresakerins4563]

It seems jb loves perverts

[@elizabethsamways7624]

Probably because she a woman.

[@GrannyDi276]

Yes! It's so strange....❤️👵

[@deanahillman2304]

It's disgusting 🫣 JB and Josh are both nasty and gross

[@XXwhoknowsXX81]

Women are disposable and property to them. To be owned and controlled. Men are in charge and they are to be “forgiven”

[@NoName-li9rx]

TLC should be dragged through the court system for the amount of abusive, dysfunctional families they’ve given platforms to. It’s all so sick.

[@juliekeast6175]

TLC and UPtv need investigating. Both networks promulgated the IBLP propaganda.

[@cynthiabrent6479]

I feel the same way. they deserve to be sued for their gross misconduct with their "reality TV shows".

[@tdecker2937]

@@diana2063 nonsense. What proponents of the pro rep rights and the hardcore LBGQ crowd doesn’t get is that the majority of Americans do not support them if / when they are extreme in their views on these subjects and react with any dissent with accusations of hatred and discrimination. It never occurs to people that they are those that just disagree. I don’t see how any TLC shows impact these issues. Where? Which ones?

[@laraissaportie395]

How are they not in the least bit not even responsible for breaking any child labor laws for all those years is what I want to know if none of those kids were paid at the time for being on the show? Like how does that happen and I bet they filmed a bunch, I recall them all doing manual labor a bunch on their house too in some of the episodes and they weren't paid for that either 🤔 It seems as if TLC employed them all they should have been more responsible for them being compensated just like any other employer/employee relationship. The film industry is it's own beast I suppose though.

[@happymama1717]

@Diana We can agree that everyone should have equal rights and be treated with dignity. That doesn't mean that we have to agree on how we choose to live our own lives under the law. Disagreement does not equal hate.

[@peggyknecht5551]

I am so proud of Jill for getting the help she needs, and for building a life independent of her parents. She is so brave.

[@prettybullet7728]

Both Jim Bob and Josh were willing to frame an innocent man and let him go to prison over the c.p. found on Josh's computer. That alone tells you what kind of character they possess.

[@rebekahdavis5935]

exactly

[@Red5_xwing]

They r Republicans. This surprises you?

[@valeriegerard5392]

Where was Michelle's family? How could they not only sign off on her marriage but then allow her to remain in that situation. My ex was verbally abusive, my Father who never raised his voice grabbed my ex one day and slammed him against a wall and said "this is MY daughter you are talking to. Straighten up or we will give her the option to leave with us today."

[@kamiwinell1006]

If I remember correctly from one of their books, the reason she was allowed to marry him at 17 was because her father's job was moving the family from Arkansas to Ohio. With the majority of her siblings grown and living their own lives, and her parents several states away, they probably didn't see the problems until it was too late. So sad really, she never stood a chance.

[@ladykama]

Thank you for standing up for Jill and all victims/survivors! We absolutely have NO right to know all the details! We should NEVER force someone to relive their trauma for entertainment purposes!

[@traceybosley7575]

We all want JimBob to shut up!! Michelle always hung on every word he said!! It was sickening!!

[@Melissa0774]

Yeah, the way she always looks at him instead of looking straight at the camera when they do a TV interview. I always thought that was weird too.

[@helixmoore7636]

Personally I thinknshes a victim

[@gottabme]

Trauma bond...

[@foofookachoo1136]

Well, I would imagine Michelle was probably instructed by JimBoob, prior to their speaking, to acknowledge him, looking at him, to inform everyone attending, who the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IS!! But maybe she DIDNT WANT to acknowledge him in this way!!

[@Opalescenttreeshark]

@@Melissa0774it’s IBLP training. Women are trained to do this. Same goes with the baby voice. It’s all part of keeping sweet and encouraging their husbands. 🤢

[@robynisrael1015]

Jill is seeking her own justice and I'm happy she loves an independent life with her husband and children... Go Jill! 🎉🎉🎉

[@karenc8773]

Constantly being pregnant must have taken a terrible toll on Michelle's physical and mental well being. The fact that the last 2 pregnancies she had resulted in an extreme preemie and a stillborn was her body telling her to stop. Disgusting

[@PthaloGreen2]

She'd had 17 kids at that point, duh. That should have told her and jim boob to stop right there! Insane people.

[@ReikiRev]

Physical sure mental I’m not sure after about kid 3 the kids started doing all the leg work for her.

[@kelly_villalobos]

How old was she when she had her last baby?

[@Taylor23890]

@@kelly_villalobosshe miscarried her last pregnancy at 45 . Last live baby was in dec 2009 , think she’s 56 now

[@debbieclark6495]

And she kept getting pregnant because they believe that a woman should be sexually available to her husband at all times.

[@sjay7209]

I love Jill for having the guts to stand up to this and exposing them. She is brave and deserves all the support she can get.

[@donnaplapp5211]

Jill has been so brave. I don't know her but to have her as a friend and in your corner. Wow !!

[@peggyknecht5551]

Absolutely! Jill is so brave. I applaud her for exposing them. I pray for her, and the rest of the girls.

[@thomashunter5707]

Hear hear

[@peggyknecht5551]

Yes!!!!

[@Meydoosa]

No she doesn’t. She gets credit for nothing. She hasn’t exited the cult.

[@brittanylevinson741]

Seriously as problematic as Derick has been at times, it takes a hell of a husband to support a wife through this deep level of trauma and dysfunction. The fear of abandonment she must deal with on a daily basis is something I’m familiar with. Love is transactional in families like this and the most effective punishment they use is to take away all comfort and affection from the kids in order to get them to fall in line. Having a husband demonstrate what is needed to create an environment for healing says a lot about Derick and the kind of support he’s been for her. Look, he has had plenty of crappy things he’s done but he is ten times the husband of most of these other losers in the family. Love him or hate him the proof of the pudding is in the tasting and Jill has come so far with the love and support of a husband doing the necessary things to be there for her. Let’s hope they both keep growing and come to a better place and eventually find real happiness and peace. There is no pain like the pain of two parents who’ve caused so much pain.

[@jacquelynroe9036]

Well said. I’m glad Jill found someone so supportive.

[@hockeygirl8506]

I don't think Derick is as problematic as he was made out to be, either. More likely a way to get out from JB's clutches for his family, and blamed for leaving. TLC made themselves look good, and kept the cash cow flowing. Derrick has demonstrated who his true character since leaving the show, and look at him now! His family has a bright future, and they certainly struggled after leaving the show.

[@knjparadise]

@@hockeygirl8506 derick has said some horrible homophobic/transphobic things in the past. i think it’s great that him and jill have separated from the family and gone to an actual therapist but they still have a long way to go

[@leandradozier968]

Amen! And I believe he will continue to grow as person. Prayers up to them and their family.

[@leandradozier968]

@@knjparadise that’s literally what op said.

[@joanhurt884]

I have always believed Michelle was JBs first victim.I also believe JB is jealous of Michelle. She is a beautiful woman, so he made her frumpy. She is very athletic and JB is not. He has completely controlled her life. He feels he has the authority from God to control the lives of his whole family. What a sad ungodly man.

[@PB-dq9gi]

Jim Bob is a pathetic creature.

[@brenda121143]

​​@@buffys3477 you are describing my grandmother who had a total of 13 children and wound up being a very drawn up little lady. I think my grandfather and all these other men are a bunch of sicko weirdos

[@natasham2255]

Agree 100%!

[@stacyd9407]

@@buffys3477 Clearly Joan is talking about the cheerleading picture of Michelle as “athletic”. She is a shell of who she once was now.

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

But the woman has a remarkable body, she's been pregnant her entire adult life just about. Pregnant at least 21 times ( don't forget her 2 miscarriages if not more)

[@brandy4530]

Michelle reminds me of my grandmother. She was such a codependent enabler. My grandmother never had any real power, but she wanted all her kids together. There were so many problems and the only way she knew to fix them was to ignore all the issues. She would always try to convince us that we should just overlook everything and “let it go.” But you have to deal with problems. You can’t just smoothie things over with prayer and religion.

[@amde8554]

I think this is a classic dynamic with strong patriarchal structures, not just from religious reasons

[@louhortonsculpture]

Exactly. That’s why we are where we are today. Generations of ignoring and stuffing feelings. Not to mention telling ourselves “it’s not that bad” “it could be worse” “at least…”

[@Hclove92]

My mom is the same actually.

[@lindsey2188]

Your comment actually hits me hard, Brandy. My grandmother who is currently at the end of her life was the exact same way her whole life. She would tell my grandfather he wasn't going to drink no more beer but would proceed to always hand him one. At any time he wanted her to jump, she would. He passed in 2010 and although she was sad, she looked like there was a relief from it all.

[@janeaustin9540]

@@louhortonsculpture I am going to assume that you are in your twenties or thirties. Think back to this comment in 20 or 30 years from now. Every generation thinks they are so much smarter or that they know the healthier way. But in the future, you will probably look back and realize how arrogant you were, I did. I think this is a self awareness that happens to many of us in our fifties. Guess what? We did it differently than our parents but, for the most part, we did not do it better.

[@patriciamurfitt4590]

The effects on a woman that has a baby every single year is what pissed me off every time I saw these people. A farmer would not even do that to a piece of livestock but JB is fine with treating his wife worse than livestock. I can't even imagine what her body has gone through. 😡

[@alexandrabrill4060]

She has zero self respect. She should have protected her daughters but instead sweeps everything under the rug.

[@calinasagilitypartner4444]

What made it even worse was Michelle was able to get pregnant while breast feeding.

[@kimmartin8760]

But remember is was joyfully available

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

What pisses me off is that they laid all this on Quiverful and God, when she deliberately circumvented God's design for family planning by prematurely weaning her six month old infants (The WHO states at *least* until age two; be salty at them, artificial feeders, I'm just the messenger) in order to ovulate and get pregnant again, the back to back endless pregnancies are no more inherent to God's design than the Octomom. (Actual Quiverful moms I've known in playgroup are spacing their 4-7 kids by term breastfeeding - it is sometimes possible to ovulate and get pregnant while nursing- it happened to me- but it is more usual for periods to hold off for a year or two). Don't lay your excessive brood at God's hands, Ofjim. This was your doing.

[@kerriann04]

I think she said once that she deliberately stopped breastfeeding at exactly 4 or 6 months for this reason.

[@patriciakeagan9410]

I am proud of Jill for taking control of her life. She needs to make herself a priority, which I think will help with her relationship with her husband and her kids. Good for you Jill.

[@justiceforrosie9827]

Jill has been very brave. hopefully she is able to save other girls going through what she and her sisters went through via this cult.

[@amandanicole3999]

Everyone wishes he’d keep his mouth shut.

[@sharonbrown6595]

@@LisaKoffler and he always was hanging around when tlc would want to talk to someone else in the family esp Amy and it would piss me off +++++ I would be yelling at the tv. JB go away. Let Amy talk without your dirty nose In her business. Can’t stand him

[@mariakeil349]

AMEN!!!!

[@janlesperance8053]

And he is very ignorant

[@Miapetdragon69]

In my opinion Jim Bob is a sexual deviant... The one thing that I remember him saying on a show was are you going to try for any more children, his answer we are always trying... That is shocking to me, I can see why Michelle would be depressed She can't go to bed without being sexually assaulted by her husband... Mind you the last part is my opinion

[@kimberlycherrine-bell5371]

Well many of these bible thumping groups totally believe there is no such think as s$xual a$sault within marriage..claiming each patner now OWNS the others body..citing scripture to back their claim..a perversion of scripture..When r@pe victims in marriage like me started fighting the state of Texas to change the laws in the last hold out state allowing r@pe in marriage..The IBLP loved to call those fighting to change laws, modern day witches, satans whores and a whole lot of other gross things, threatening us and claiming we were going to hell, while some law makers were encouraging and believing their teachings..No care for those of us impregnated by r@pe in marriage and then forced to give the r@pist full parental rights in divorce cause you were legally barred from bringing up or even stating you were r@ped in marriage..in my case the @buser turned around and was under investigation for @buse of his own child by doctors and phycharist and we moved but they were never charged even though a whole phycharists team believed abuse had happened..still walking free to this day..who knows how many children they may have h&rt

[@pechaa]

You’re not wrong.

[@annakatie7347]

You're right - it's not like she could say no to him.

[@martinacrosby5259]

It’s one of the tenets of the religion that wives are always “ available “ to their husbands. The wives are responsible if he strays.

[@martinacrosby5259]

It’s one of the tenets of the religion that wives are always “ available “ to their husbands. The wives are responsible if he strays.

[@BrynGarrett]

Right before everything blew up with Josh, my husband called all of this about Jim Bob. He had never even seen an episode at that point. While I was watching an episode one night, afterwards he looked at me and said, “This dad is a complete narcissist and I can guarantee you that he is horrible whenever the camera cuts. You can see it in his eyes and face. He’s got MAJOR anger issues. I guarantee you he does nothing but SCREAMS at his kids, is never around and delves out corporal punishment like it’s candy.” I, of course was saying no, I don’t think so, they’re a good Christian family, etc (like most of us, right?), and that’s whenever he looked at me and said, “you just wait and see, there’s something *very* wrong with this family. They’re trying to cover something up…there’s some skeletons somewhere and it’s all going to BLOW UP and be huge.” Not even 2 weeks later, it did just that. He was right on the money with just watching 1 episode. Katie Joy, you’ve done an excellent job at uncovering their secrets - thank you! I’m sure we’ll find out even more as this documentary airs.

[@diyashikha93]

😮 Is your husband a body language reader or something?

[@lorywilliams8314]

I’m glad to hear you have a partner who is actually in touch with his feelings and therefore he can use his instinct as a navigation tool lucky girl

[@elainerivera4416]

Your husband has discernment!

[@elvyfernandez3586]

My husband said the same thing. He also noticed it on the dad from the Willis family, and we all know the sick man he turned out to be. Disgusting

[@danielhainline8882]

Your husband is very smart and he reads people accurately

[@kariannsutherland4850]

So proud of Jill. I’m glad you referred them to Jill so she could share her truth. She’s been silenced for way to long. Thank you Katie Joy for doing such a great job.

[@barbvillarreal7440]

Katie Joy doesn't know what's fact or fiction. She is just a big gossip. Don't believe anything Katie says. She brings no Joy to anyone but herself. How would she feel if people gossiped about her little boy???

[@brittneywitherspoon8530]

Jim Bob is a grandiose narcissist. The damage and abuse narcs do to others is unbelievable. A few of the kids (in addition to Josh) also show signs of narcissism...

[@PB-dq9gi]

Yes!

[@Amanda-cn3pk]

👆👆👆

[@mattmitchell7350]

I think Jed and Jessa have narcissistic tendencies.

[@brittneywitherspoon8530]

@@mattmitchell7350 Those two are *exactly* who I was thinking of! This also explains why Jessa got a submissive husband...someone who is more easily controlled and won't pushback, which is *essential* for narcs. Jessa lucked out in finding Ben because it does not appear that submissive men are common in their community.

[@rachzen]

It struck me as the cruellest thing I heard was that when they were grooming the friend's daughter to court and marry Josh, JB admitted to the friends they hadn't planned on then finding out about Josh's past SAs until AFTER they married. And these people can't get divorced. They will lie, cheat, and steal from anyone, and no one matters but them.

[@kristinahuckabee9737]

Jill is just about the only level headed member of that family. And, for sure, the only one courageous enough to tell the complete truth about the family and the cult. She is a strong, brave woman with the fortitude to realize she needed therapy and to seek it out. Keep up the good work Jill. Your children will be the beneficiaries of your strength.

[@Amandamangels]

I’m so glad that Jill is talking and telling her story and standing up for herself…especially standing up to her dad and standing her ground. She’s so strong a brave.

[@millenialsmom2214]

Been married 32 years. I told my husband there wasn't much I couldn't forgive, "but if you drive my kids away from us, that's a deal breaker. "

[@lorrainem8234]

I'll be married 32 years, but we are now in divorce proceedings, and one of the things he did was exactly that - tried to estrange our children from me based on lies. And he is allegedly a good Christian man 🙄

[@pinkiesue849]

@@lorrainem8234 He will pay for it

[@lorrainem8234]

@@pinkiesue849 I hope so. He has done so many things and lied unabashedly about it. I hope I get to see him pay for it.

[@Sahuaro_Christmas]

1. Jill doesn't owe us her story. 2. JBozzo has never worshipped God, he worships Bill Gothard.

[@debrapalmer9772]

Jimbo worships money.

[@aherve2003]

And he worship himself

[@alexrieder727]

He worships himself. Bill Gothard is a tool he uses to get what he wants.

[@alexrieder727]

He worships himself. Bill Gothard is a tool he uses to get what he wants.

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

Exactly right. IBLP doesn't teach the Bible, it teaches what Bill Gothard says .

[@PattyJonas]

It is truly commendable what Jill and derrick are doing. They are a team and they help each other to share the truth. I hope Jinger gets to the point where she can be as open

[@britneyog9537]

They really are a team. I'm proud of them.

[@donnalee7660]

Patricia I feel sorry for Ginger,I feel that her husband is very controlling, not sure if she will break free without counseling

[@mary-catherinecroshaw6369]

I think sadly Jinger's husband is also controlling. Not like Jim Bob but I do still think he has the philosophy that he has authority over his wife in a way Derrick doesn't. It's fortunate he just belongs to a more mainstream denomination and his beliefs aren't as insane as Jim Bob's, but sadly I don't think she has the same freedom Jill has. She and her husband still seem to strictly follow one church and community whereas Jill and Derrick seem to be on their own faith journey.

[@mesquitemagic]

I love that Jill is doing this on her own terms. She shouldn't have to talk about her trauma, she should only speak about what SHE wants to talk about. As for Michelle, I've been in similar shoes. The difference is, when I realized my kids were being affected by my abusive relationship, I took them away from it. It was difficult, but it was the best thing for all of us.

[@lorihayes2066]

This totally explains why Jana hasn’t left the house despite her age and perhaps her desire to do so. No money and and living under a dictatorship makes it impossible for her to even see a way out. So sad!

[@tammyclay62]

Jana is trapped. She has no money and no education. I hope Jana gets to have a life of her own in the future.

[@sandraphillips5091]

@@tammyclay62 the Duggar kids didn't attend an actual school, they were all home-schooled with IBLP-approved material. The girls were taught that their only purpose was to get married and have babies. So they have very few life skills.

[@tammyclay62]

@sandraphillips5091 I'm really happy for Jinger. She seems really happy, and she looks so pretty dressing to please herself.

[@cjodieransom1187]

I remember when Josh talked about having Covenant Eyes on his devices. I remember him saying Anna was the watchdog, and would hold him accountable. I remember thinking, "When pigs fly, she might." 😂😂😂

[@justanotherrando3477]

I have always felt that Michelle was being treated like a piece of property. Can you imagine, having a baby or a set of twins, and then a few months later having your husband not care how much pain you have suffered, or how tired you are, and insists on knocking you up again? Year after year. Day in and day out. I cannot imagine how tortured she is mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. She is brainwashed into believing that this is what God wants and any thoughts of leaving or improving her situation would be disgusting in God's eyes. She is beaten down. I'm sure she does have regrets about some parenting choices, but she is a victim. She needs to he extracted from the cult. Side note: how the Hell does TLC get away with doing a reality show with the adult children and not pay them? They knew they were paying this abusive man and that he wasn't paying anyone within the family. Im sorry but even children on these shows should be paid via a trust and it shouldn't be up to the parents, it should be the production company. To find out it was adults who were the central players on the show and not getting paid? Thats despicable. Shame on TLC

[@megc1981]

For adults if the adult children ok the pay going through Jim Bob it’s legal. For minors AK doesn’t have Coogan account laws (only NY and CA do to my knowledge) requiring it be paid to trusts so it’s not required. As the parents it was legally their call how the pay was handled. There is a Loooong history of child actors being screwed out of money by their parents. Including Shirley Temple her Dad spent most of what she made and she ended up with very little of her income left when she came of age. Plenty of modern instances too Drew Barrymore for example Cohan account laws require only 15% be put in trust so that leaves a lot for an unethical parent to take

[@justanotherrando3477]

@megc1981 I know it's legal. It just shouldn't be. Especially considering they have been behind the scenes and know exactly how those family members are being treated. JB is disgusting and TLC has enabled his abuse of his family. Shameful.

[@calebharper1590]

I don't think Michelle is a villain. I think the main villain is Jim Bob.

[@danikyle9646]

I think Michelle is a villain enabler.

[@byBeauxARTFULIVING]

Of course Michelle is a villain bcz she HAS STAYED BY HIS SIDE, for her own benefits, to detriment of her children. Silence equals agreement.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

Women in this cult are never the main villain, because in the IBLP - and the IFB at large - women are in charge of nothing, and responsible for everything. While men are in charge of everything, and responsible for nothing.

[@lisamoul263]

I agree. Jim Bob is a narcissist and he has had Michelle so broken down for so long that she knows nothing else but to obey and go along with him.

[@lois2997]

@@LisaKoffler jimmy lee was opposed to this lifestyle.

[@sahmofboys]

This is regarding Michelle's depression: she would not have been allowed to show her depression because of IBLP teachings. I know a person who grew up in IBLP and remembers getting into trouble for not appearing happy all the time. This is why she looked happy in the tv shows-- she had to be an actress and act happy. I guess the kids saw her depression behind closed doors.

[@latashahoward3943]

I always thought to myself watching the Duggar kids grow up that Jill would always be the least likely to ever stray from the Iblp and she would be a mirror image of her Mom…boy was I wrong! I’m proud how she has stood up to her family and living the life she wants.

[@tomiyowilliams]

I agree. For some reason, I always thought Jessa would be the one, but she definitely proved me wrong. She’s the most loyal to JB.

[@nicoledavis5774]

I appreciate your thoughts on Jill not required to expand on trauma. I actually overheard a conversation at work right before this video came out where someone asked someone else "what's the worst thing that has happened to you?" In my head I thought that was an extremely inappropriate question that lacked any boundaries. Details of someone's trauma is not something that is free for everyone else .

[@rebekahdavis5935]

Well said. It's crazy the level of info people feel entitled to because they're curious....

[@lindamassey9817]

Unless Jim Bob has scripted meet & greets he's very dismissive of people. A man seeking political office was scary. As bad as it sounds, we have Josh to credit the end of JB's political aspirations (😳) as well as Josh's own well deserved incarceration. Thank God. Jim Bob Duggar and Kody Brown share the same mindset. 👑 IMO

[@Emper0rH0rde]

I've voted Republican my whole life, and I would literally vote Democrat if it meant keeping Jim-Bot and his Lego hair out of public office.

[@mollyparkes9524]

I grew up going to church and babysitting for the Duggars. JB put pressure on families to join IBLP. I'm so thankful that my parents saw through the bs and refused. Of course, they ended up leaving our church and starting their own. We had families follow them, but they soon returned because they found it to be vapid doctrine. It has been disgusting to find out who they really are. I've always loved Michelle, and I see her as a brainwashed victim.

[@thedoctorisin6310]

I'm not buying the scenario that Michelle had no voice. Michelle is the one who made excuses for Josh. Michelle said that "Josh was sorry" and expected him to be let off the hook.

[@derickrae]

I had pain issues because I had 2 babies 18 months apart. My physical therapists who helped me said Michelle Dugger is in a lot of pain. They can tell by how she stands.

[@susieleonard9894]

I had 2 of my boys 18 months apart. My back killed me in the third trimester. There were times when I iced my back to the point where I think I gave myself ice burns and my skin was almost turning black because I didn't want to take painkillers. I can't even imagine how Michelle Duggar's back must've felt.

[@foofookachoo1136]

@@susieleonard9894Oh my goodness!!

[@ngulubeprincess5009]

much sadder to see the younger generation thats churning kids year after year....

[@joymorrison6614]

I can tell by how she sounds. Lol

[@christopherjohnson-wz3hi]

"She wanted help from the elders..." Where do you think Jim Bob learned his monstrous behavior 🤔 🤣

[@thrivingexjw2061]

It’s people like Jill that are going to make a difference in these cults!! To speak out, and I’m talking about REALLY SPEAKING OUT, not holding back any truth, while knowing full will what the severe consequences will be, takes bravery like no other!!! She has my utmost respect & I’m SOOO proud of her! There are a lot of ex cult members who still live in fear of speaking out ( or if they do, they hold back, trying to avoid the consequences) Love & Hugs to Jill on her journey out 💗👏🏼💗

[@thrivingexjw2061]

@@LisaKoffler - So far, Jill is the only one telling her WHOLE truth, holding nothing back!! Jinger has written a book, but seems to be a bit timid when talking about her parents & their wrong doings in the cult. Hopefully, they will all be able to go the distance in the future.

[@PB-dq9gi]

@@thrivingexjw2061 Jinger went from guru Bill Gothard, to her current guru, John MacArthur, who is awful also.

[@thrivingexjw2061]

@@PB-dq9gi - I know that.. it takes time to get out of a cult. Sometimes, we can leave the cult, but the cult doesn’t necessarily leave us. Took me 15 years, lots of deprogramming & trying my best to learn about a world I knew very little about. It’s heart wrenching to see what brainwashing does to people!!

[@deedee_31]

she shouldve sued TLC AS WELL

[@mama.p.9383]

I would love to see all the siblings and Michelle leave Jimbob and start a new life. He is a vile human being who continues to abuse and control them.

[@helixmoore7636]

Exactly I really think Michelle has been a possible victim. She needs to leave this controlling asshat

[@Kaylee-Renee]

Thats a show I'd watch

[@cbd793]

I've said all along....Jim Bob on the creep meter...OFF THE CHARTS!!! MICHELLE IS GUILTY OF NOT STANDING UP AND PROTECTING HER DAUGHTERS. SAME AS JIM BOB. ALL THOSE LEFT AT HOME...(CHILDREN) THE STATE IF ARKANSAS SHOULD HAVE REMOVED ALL THESE KIDS ESPECIALLY WHEN JOSH LIVED THERE AND IN THE SHED OUT BACK WITH ANNA AND HIS KIDS. THIS IS A SICK BUNCH...HOW HAS THE CHILDREN NOT BEEN PROTECTED.. IT BLOWS MY MIND..

[@cbd793]

I believe the answers could go all the way back on the (Josh, touching the girls) and possible things we don't know, could lie with his sister and niece. Jim Bob , his sister and Amy clearly can't stand one another. And was the grandmother's drowning investigated? It was so very odd... but I put nothing past this cult leader.

[@cjodieransom1187]

The reality is probably them all having to suffer through one angry diatribe after another, and JB is always the victim, and he will always blame someone else. He is proving what a narcissist he is at the cost of the family's sanity. We will all soon see him self-destruct. The web of lies will get thicker.

[@YearoftheAuthor]

Wow. The moment those kids turned 18 they should have been paid by TLC. That’s SO messed up. No wonder Jill had to do all those go fund me things while on the show, she wasn’t getting paid. Just wow.

[@beereal2514]

I'm curious why the Coogin law didn't apply here. The Coogin law is that child actors/performers are legally mandated to put a portion of their earnings into an investment account that can't be accessed until the child turns 18.

[@lizsays3324]

That doesn't cover reality shows or anything on social media. That law was written before those existed. I don't think any child labor law covers them. So there is no regulation about how many hours they work, what can be filmed, even if the kids can say no to being filmed.

[@kirsten2769]

Even before they turned 18, they should have had a portion of the show's earnings invested for them.

[@theresafeeney2756]

I feel those kids should have been paid for their time on TV. Kinda funny how the parents didn’t allow TV in the home but made lots of money from it 🤔

[@mammyewok]

one thing i never got over and its kind of triggering is tlc once asked the girls why they kept their hair curly instead of straightening it and jessas answer was 'daddy likes it that way'.this was way before the josh stuff came out but i was like'thats pretty creepy'.ive always wondered if jb ever did anything to the girls-or even josh..

[@eleveneleven11114]

I didn’t realize Michelle was so young when they got married. Puts things in perspective for sure

[@QueenMabb]

Not only do they believe therapy is bad, but just the fact that JB and Michelle stood by Josh during trial is awful.That is more than enough for Jill to stay away from her parents. She is so brave and courageous, and I wish her the best healing on her journey.

[@MustardseedMomma68]

As Christian who grew up in a church heavily influenced by the IBLP, I am so glad this is being exposed. Thank you For exposing this cult!

[@keepgoodcompany1279]

I grew up IFB and so much of this is triggering. We didn’t technically subscribe to IBLP, but man. Men (especially older men) in churches I went to did not value women. I’m trying so hard to raise my daughter differently, but stuff that you are taught your entire life sticks with you. I can’t imagine the trauma Jill has. I watched maybe a half dozen episodes. It wreaked of my upbringing with the skirts, and the men being dominant, and the large families. I could never watch much without feeling bad for the girls, especially.

[@geraldine4727]

I’m sad for Michelle. She is in a really difficult situation. It is easy to say she should leave with her children, but if one person makes all of the money and holds everything in his name, then he can hire the best lawyers and get at least partial custody without supervision. Child support is never enough. There is also a real fear that your children will turn against you bc everyone in their lives has been brainwashed and will tell them they need to separate from you and treat you like an infidel. Your circle of friends will turn against you, and there is constant fear of retaliation . Michelle is wrong on many fronts, but she has also been badly used.

[@traciezolman9212]

Well said and very compassionate 🌻

[@Amanda-cn3pk]

I get the feeling she's not as sweet and innocent as she would have people believe.

[@geraldine4727]

@@Amanda-cn3pk I agree with you, but despite her many faults, I still am sad for the things she’s been through.

[@shelbywells5341]

@@Amanda-cn3pk I know someone that knows the Bates personally and has been around the Duggars many times and says Michelle isn’t friendly at all and they all act like they’re better than everyone else. I’ve been around one of them once and he wasn’t that friendly but the Bates they’re all very kind I even talked to one of the boys for alittle while. The duggars are a whole other story. I would love to meet Jill and Cousin Amy they seem like genuine people.

[@justuslightworkers]

EXACTLY what happened to me!!

[@karenculpepper973]

Jim Bob has no clue what unconditional love is ( which is how we should be). His love is conditional and based on if you follow his rules. It’s all about “Jim”. I am so happy for Jill and her standing up for herself.

[@nancysaul7369]

Jill is to be praised for coming forward and telling the truth. So glad she has a supportive husband. Thank you Katie for all the hard work you have done.❤

[@cherylmoorman5012]

Poor Michelle! ❤ i am glad to hear her side. JB is so disgusting. Good for Jill for letting us know.

[@jolaineliupakka9619]

I remember the episode where they went to a fertility doctor to see if more kids was possible. Now that I know what I know I feel so bad for Michelle...the one thing that made her valuable went away.

[@MsBabyChips]

I think jimboob and rusty yates have the same kind of sickness. they both want to have their own little cult made up of adoring subserviants.

[@leamacleod5903]

Classic gaslighting and narcissistic behavior. Good for jill for setting up boundaries and doing what's best for her and her family.

[@patriciacarlson3449]

I'm glad Jill was able to get away from all the trauma and have a chance to heal.

[@brandy4530]

So which set of parents has “authority” over a married couple? What about Derrick’s parents? What if the parents disagree? Who has the official authority among the parents. JB is ridiculous.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Well, in Jim’s world no one but him has authority

[@kellybreedlove1836]

Well Jim Bob of course! That being said, Derrick was not raised in the cult. He has one brother. His father died years ago. He has a step dad but again his family was not raised in the cult at all.

[@carblarson8868]

Jim Bob is so controlling that he can’t let go of these kids.

[@MeghanRoddam]

@@WithoutACrystalBall It still amazes me that Jim Bob ever let his kids marry outside of the IBLP, (especially his daughters). I'm thinking he took that bible verse about "teach kids the right way when they are young and when they grow up they will not stray from it" to heart. I think he was confident he'd brainwashed them enough to last their entire lifetimes, and that he also thought that making marriage connections to outside families would broaden the cult's reach and bring more people in. Do you know if there are families who try to keep marriages within the cult, or if JB might be more controlling about who his younger daughters marry?

[@annmariebymorning]

Even in the IBLP I believe the umbrella of authority transfers to the woman’s husband once she marries..so no parent would have authority over the couple .

[@catiatm]

Once Jill married, I don't know why JB thought he was in charge of her; he had handed her to her husband, who now "had dominion" over her. This is all so gross.

[@mariewilliams6786]

I totally agree Katie, no one needs to know the details. I wouldn’t ask anyone to tell me the details of their abuse. Making them relive their trauma is cruel. I would ask at most are you in a better place and leave it at that. Support them without getting into personal details.

[@traciezolman9212]

Agreed. 🌻

[@tammyclay62]

Jill has been violated and humiliated enough.

[@theneontiger5280]

Well put. You are a classy lady. Jill, owes no one an explanation.

[@kelisa3772]

Imagine having to hang on his every word whilst staring adoringly at him, when you really just want him to shut the f**k up.

[@traciezolman9212]

That’s my idea of hell

[@kelisa3772]

@@traciezolman9212 same

[@willettecorley2508]

I remember hearing Michelle being interviewed once & she was asked about if she had ever told JB she had a "headache". Michelle looked appalled & said, no, never! A wife is to ALWAYS be available for her husband's pleasure, whether she feels like it or not. 😱 It's like SHE doesn't matter. It's all about HIM & HIS desires!😡

[@karencrofts1724]

...wives are to be "joyfully available" at all times...

[@user-ls4vb6dq7z]

I remember during one of the early seasons of the show, Michelle went to a hair salon run by an old school friend of hers. The woman was not an IBLP member and she ended up cutting and styling her hair in a more modern look and Michelle looked terrific. It was still long but it was sleek and pretty. When Jim Bob saw it, he was stone-faced and silent. I'm actually shocked that they showed this on television but it was a small incident that left a huge impression. Katie, is there any info about Jim Bob's relationship with his mother? She seemed like such a lovely person. Thanks so much.

[@lorrainem8234]

I remember that part of the episode! JimBob didn't seem to like it and neither did Michelle. The hairstyle was so pretty and flattering, too.

[@jow.2450]

She didn’t keep up with the hair style. I thought she commented on it too. That she didn’t like something about it.

[@foffndy666]

His mother is where the religion comes from. They paint JB's dad as a drunk godless heathen who tried to destroy his family, but his mom was there, finding the religion and bringing it home. God takes care of everything. Dont worry.

[@loosilu]

The hairstyle apparently is dictated by Gothard. He prefers long soft curls.

[@kathyp760]

@@jow.2450 wasn't iblp culty enough

[@shaynej704]

Katy, I think you spoke nicely for Jill. You represented her well.

[@moonkitten420]

I always remember Michelle telling a story about mowing the lawn in a bathing suit. I wish we could see Michelle as a free woman, unmasked. I hope one day she can get away from JB, and be who she truly is ❤

[@shawndavis824]

So very proud of Jill. And I 💯 agree that it is not our business to know the nitty gritty details of the SA she suffered at the hands of her brother. And I also agree that Michelle is JB’s first victim. When you are told you are worthless enough times, you believe it.

[@powderandpaint14]

And she was only 17 when they got together I believe? She's never known anything else as an adult. Women in that situation often do take decades to break free, often after their kids do it first.

[@mrskitty7929]

He doesn’t talk to women not because he thinks he’s above them ( although he may well feel that way) but to “avoid the appearance of evil“ so no one can say he is flirting or putting himself in a potentially inappropriate situation

[@woodrebecca623]

That’s my understanding of the situation too.

[@daisyadele967]

Yes, this is correct, I know men that are like this too. They just don't want to risk any possible allegations.

[@heatherf4730]

I think Michelle spirit has been beat down by Jim Bob for so long she doesn’t have her own identity. She is unable to be there for her daughters in a supportive way.

[@juliekeast6175]

I genuinely wonder if Jim Bob has ever hit Michelle. I wish she'd see that she is being abused like her older daughters were abused

[@juliekeast6175]

​@@LisaKofflerOh both JB and Josh are narcissists, I think its very possible both hit their wives

[@user-fd4fq8oo3v]

Jimboob has as much of a pimp hand as Michael Jackson.

[@alexrieder727]

I absolutely believe he has many many times. They hit their children as babies after all.

[@paytonw8255]

I can only hope that one day Michelle finds the courage to say enough is enough

[@samanthaorchard6174]

All kids should have gotten paid from day 1 at ?? Kids and counting. As a youth, put it in trust, where NONE got it until a specific age. Not even the parents.

[@megc1981]

Should have but CA and NY are the only states with laws requiring it. Arkansas does not so it was up to the parents (Jim Bob) what they do with the money for the minors. Once of age it’s different

[@ann-db3qr]

OK it's now fact that JimBob, is a misogynist

[@Bildgesmythe]

It's required in fundamentalism

[@PB-dq9gi]

@@Bildgesmythe Especially for leaders.

[@debrapalmer9772]

He a whole lot of other things but Utube won't print them.

[@esbizzze]

I doubt Michelle acknowledges or can speak to a man unless Jim Bob is present. If even.

[@sharonbrown6595]

Wow Michelle said that .. I am so impressed. He needs to go away and let others talk and express themselves and him keep his nose out of it

[@PB-dq9gi]

Jim Bob is a narcissist and narcissists think their opinion is the right one and the only one that matters.

[@letmework6254]

@@PB-dq9gi Absolutely! And as the used and under appreciated spouse Michelle is repulsed just listening to it!

[@Designsyn7]

Michelle's fake happiness and fake smile is haunting!!! When does she ever get to cry?

[@Designsyn7]

@@LisaKoffler yes!

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

When she's defending Josh or when JB tells her to.

[@kathrynreissauthor]

I do worry about Michelle. When JB finds out that she has said he should shut up, for instance, how will he respond when they are home together away from reporters and cameras? How will he retaliate? I fear for her safety in a marriage like that, now that she is past child-bearing.

[@foffndy666]

Not your circus, or your monkeys. Dont forget these people CHOOSE to live this way. Dont feel bad for them.

[@evelynshore9489]

Thank God for Derrick. Funny that JB handpicked Derrick for Jill

[@beesilva9085]

Since her family was not into this religion, I wonder what they think of her life.

[@TheRustyTrike]

Jim Bob and my mother are one in the same. About them, for them or their idea. If you don’t do it the way they want you are the problem. There is no compromise.

[@PB-dq9gi]

Narcissism.

[@TheRustyTrike]

@@LisaKoffler I actually let her be in my life until she cut me out. She didn’t like the my husband got a promotion. 😬

[@carlgrimeseyepatch27]

So proud of the older girls for speaking out and finding healing!! I was raised religious and in no terms as serious as they were and I’m f*cked up from that! They are so strong!!

[@dontbesuspicious2434]

So it has been established that Michelle was in an abusive relationship and she realized it. She knew she did not have a voice. I feel for her, BUT she encouraged her daughters to follow the same path. I remember one of the couples engagement announcement and Michelle was with the other mom. Her immediate comment was regarding grandbabies. If I were that mom I would have shut her down. Let them have the time to really know each other. Enjoy just being a couple without the stresses of parenthood.

[@ann-db3qr]

JimBob, should just disappear

[@PB-dq9gi]

Yes. Bye. Improve Christianity and the planet.

[@krisjoeable]

I will never understand how they got away with NOT paying the kids…I thought there was a law to protect children in the TV/FILM industry. I remember something about Jackie Coogan.. A law was put in place due to what his parents did to him. TLC had another popular show that too became a dumpster fire … Jon and Kate plus 8.. they were very vocal about the money they were paid was also being divided up and set aside for the kids.

[@truffles2721]

Different state have different laws about it.

[@karendegraaf1146]

"A Minor Consideration" was started to protect kids on TV shows, it was run by Paul Peterson from the Donna Reed show

[@loosilu]

The fact that they are on a reality show plays into it. They are not considered actors.

[@chelsimeeds728]

This family makes me feel better about my family. Ughhh how do they continue to control their kids?! Insanity at its finest 😢

[@karenprice4163]

It amazes me that they will follow the rules for their families from a man who is NOT married and has NO CHILDREN!! What do they think he would know about families?

[@laceylu5969]

Jill is such a strong woman. I’m so happy she has found peace & Is standing up to her parents. Maybe this will make her other siblings think.

[@warropr69]

It’s always been pretty obvious to me that Michelle Duggar is in an abusive relationship. Very sad situation. I wish some of her boys would see the light and stand up to JB for her!!!

[@raymondburlage6927]

Sad, just so sad for all these kids. What a heartbreaking shame.

[@barbarasanchez9339]

I always go back to how uncomfortable Jill & Jim Bob seemed towards each other on her wedding day, both when he came in to the bride's room to see her gown and when he was about to walk her down the aisle. I sensed a lack of closeness and tension between them. It wasn't the way a father & daughter would behave that were really close.

[@kaybizzle]

For what it’s worth, I am a single woman, and I met the Duggars (by myself) at a book signing in 2013 and Jim Bob not only acknowledged me but shook my hand, looked me in the eye, and thanked me graciously. (I now want to cut my hand off after what I know about him, but oh well.) Jill was very friendly, and Anna struck up a conversation with me. All of the others basically avoided eye contact because they were so shy. I felt bad they were forced into these public appearances when they were clearly not wanting to be there. Even all the littles were there.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

If you were in line for the book signing, that’s how he acted. But never outside of that

[@kaybizzle]

I definitely got the politician vibe from him.

[@kathyp760]

Sold a book. yeah tell your friends to buy the book salesman

[@PB-dq9gi]

If you were buying his book, you were adding to his wealth, which made him happy with you.

[@foofookachoo1136]

U may have won JimBob over because u had bought their book!! U helped him with his financial gain!! JimBob LOVES MONEY!!

[@nancypryor9439]

LOL! Keep his mouth shut and treat others nicer!!! Good luck with that!!

[@carolbullard7956]

Exactly 😂😂

[@MeghanRoddam]

Hey Katie, excellent video as always! I'm not sure if you've covered this before, but a big reason Jim Bob and the IBLP say no therapy, no prescription drugs for mental health, is because that would be dragging an objective person into the family who's not in the cult. The men know that influence of that kind could quickly crumble all of their abusive control and manipulation tactics, not to mention end up with social services being called for an array of tactics they use. P.S. It's so crazy to see so many happy pictures of the duggars smiling and being so fake while you dismantle their lies. I think that's where some people got the impression you were a fan like you mentioned a couple videos back. I also thought you were a fan back when I first started watching you years ago before Josh's downfall, but there's no making that mistake now!

[@joycesky5041]

Living in that house with JB must be like walking on egg shells, broken glass, and hot coals all at the same time! With Michelle being JB’s wife along with having a baby every year would put Michelle in a frame of mind where she must have been depressed all the time non-stop 24/7 - 365 for that last 35 friggin years! All that would have lasted one second with me and he’d be thrown right under the bus! I feel bad for Michelle because she’s so indoctrinated and brainwashed and doesn’t even know it…she’s had to go along with JB & the IBLP without knowing any better…she got sucked in so love really was blind when she met him so she’s been trapped and a slave for many years. I agree Katie that Michelle was JB’s first victim…it’s very sad.

[@jodiuhron1979]

I don’t know how she hasn’t poisoned his food by now!

[@sallymueller2024]

& she was in constant pain Not so joyfully available

[@LD-tk7qf]

Those kids have the power to take all authority away from Jim Bob !!!! He only has the power they allow him

[@sashagabor76]

"Healing isn't linear." Victoria thank you for that and also "where you are isn't your end state". I really needed to hear that I want to say thank you! Victoria you're amazing, you're strong, and you're beautiful. You also have real self-awareness. So many people don't have the depth or willingness to look at themselves close enough to be self aware, and that's another testament to your strength. I think you're amazing and I wish you the absolute best. ❤

[@Drbethturtlewoman]

Years ago when Jim Bob was a state rep, I was the Physician at the Capitol. I remember meeting Michelle. She was very kind and soft spoken. Jim Bob walked in front of his family as they followed behind like he was the Master. All the kids were dressed alike and paired off. They walked straight in a line, even the little kids. I have seen a few of the older kids showing up at times to work with their reps. This was all prior to Covid

[@allysoncashdollar1119]

I’m glad the kids are speaking out. Takes guts but I’m enjoying hearing the truth

[@amde8554]

I mean of course she was depressed even when you plan for pregnancies the body and hormonal changes is a lot, and she never got a break

[@racheld7528]

I’m listening to all this info about Michelle and the pregnancies and my body hurts for her! I was thinking about the episode where JB took her to the dr to see if she was in menopause. That made me mad then, but now it just makes me sick! How could he even think of putting her through that when Josie had been premature?! He obviously doesn’t get it or care. I think he physically wanted 20. But he didn’t care at what cost that was. I’m shocked he didn’t go through ivf and try to get one last one.

[@MsBabyChips]

shades of Rusty Yates, yikes.