Josh Pate On CFB Conference Realignment - Tuesday Updates (Late Kick Cut)

FSU and Clemson face a very uncertain future as conference realignment continues to be a story dominating the College Football landscape, and on Late Kick Live Ep 531 Josh Pate discussed the latest on the Big Ten and SEC potentially not being receptive to that sort of move. Could FSU and Clemson wind up in the Big12? What about other schools like Miami and North Carolina? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@JoshPateCFB]

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[@andrewscott310]

Dude I thought you always wore a white T for a reason???

[@sharkzillah401]

The two conferences literally dismantling college football while calling FSU "disruptive" is a fucking JOKE.

[@paulwhitley5515]

🎯

[@chandlerwhite8302]

Nobody wants the stupid Criminoles. Deal with it.

[@jjfilli7]

💯

[@HuskyBlockCFan]

“FSU is misbehaving”… oh because no other SEC/Big 10 school would react the same way?? Obviously if Ohio State or Alabama were in the ACC they’d say the same exact thing.

[@NativeTXn1AIArt]

In 2011, the SEC took a public vote and said they would not accept Texas A&M and there were numerous official stories with no anonymous names, but actual names in place. All 12 SEC members said they would not accept A&M and then a month later they accepted A&M & MIZ. An official/public vote saying no & they took them a few weeks later. We’ve all heard this song and dance before and the media are pawns in all this.

[@chrishaugh1655]

Okay, now go ahead and provide your source for this information. Because I don't see anywhere, where they had a public vote about this.

[@professorfleX420]

Lol someone just figured out sports 😱

[@chuckroutionGB2022]

@@chrishaugh1655 that guy needs to put down the crack pipe

[@thepathoforion]

One can’t just say “the media”because one size doesn’t fit all. The only real media players are CBS, ESPN, NBC and FOX. They’re gonna stir the pot for their own purposes and not tip their hands.

[@chandlerwhite8302]

The SEC is not taking Clemson and the Criminoles. Bringing in A&M made business sense, those two do not. The conference already owns those TV markets. It will add zero value to their TV contracts and just split the revenue two more ways. If the SEC expands, it will be North Carolina and Virginia.

[@davidfloyd9134]

Never forget that the SEC started all this… with A&M, Missouri, Texas & OU.

[@shawnkurtz4424]

Nah Texas and OU started it with the talks w/ Larry Scott to make the Pac12 the Pac16

[@TheAcreanCandidate]

The Big 10 was the first to poach with Nebraska. The Pac-12 tried to poach 4 teams. The SEC was literally the third conference to move.

[@mauallison7755]

The ACC sort of started the expansion game when they added GT, FSU, VT, Pitt and BC. When FSU was brought into the ACC, they initially voted no before another vote said yes. The SEC also voted no. Waaay before they were the ACC they were part of the Southern Conference. At the time, the entire soon to be known ACC and SEC were in that conference until the SEC took their ball and formed their conference and the charter members of the ACC created theirs shortly afterward. Somehow I don’t believe that the B1G and SEC aren’t interested. Until the lawsuit is settled, they really can’t interfere.

[@mrp4242]

@@TheAcreanCandidate Arkansas: Hold my beer……

[@ntnsty]

No one mentions the player. No one mentions the fan. No one mentions the student.

[@aaronlampkin284]

@@ntnsty Ofc not when money is on the line, these greedy middle man(Greg Sankey) don’t care about the fans.

[@Mzbbxhfbfnsx]

Same thing happened to San Diego State last year, they thought they were going to get the call up and tried to leave the Mt. West early. But found out they had no where to go.

[@volbound1700]

I think the B1G and SEC don't want them NOW but in the future, they are still options. Both conferences want to digest the teams they just added this year.

[@daviddejesus5376]

Excellent post.

[@trevorblanton6270]

Clemson and fsu wouldn’t have filed the lawsuits without having somewhere to go if they win there case

[@tycardwell2991]

Right. They assumed they did, because they are two of the most prestigious programs in the country. Everyone got so caught up in the realignment hype and the superconference talk that they missed that the BIG10 and the SEC already got what they wanted.

[@morganwartman8507]

@@tycardwell2991you know this how? All these reports are hearsay and could be used to cover their tracts legally if the ACC tries to sue

[@seminoleboy96]

Exactly, everyone is so goofy about current narratives

[@SasoCasablanca63]

Exactly. Anyone with any common sense would know that NO ONE in their right mind from big 10 or sec would tell Mcmurphy , oh eay we want fsuand clemson. Big10 and SEC would get sued. Of course that is what is happening. Its all about posturing and avoiding law suit. As soon as FSU says i am out, they are in big 10. ‘Mark it down.

[@trclark7689]

@@tycardwell2991 the Big 10 and SEC got what they could, not necessarily what they wanted. The schools in the ACC were never in play and that includes Notre Dame.

[@bryancoburn6523]

I understand the schools wanting to leave, but the opposite feeling happens when I'm in an Academy Sports and Outdoors, the right stuff the right price

[@lizardinthelites]

underrated

[@DuckRon626]

theboppositw???

[@bryancoburn6523]

@@DuckRon626 fixed

[@duhdoy08]

It's all legal protection from the acc suing the sec or big ten. Fsu has a future home, but it can't be revealed until they get out of court.

[@TheIkeman74]

Literally all in your mind 😂 Precedence abound for such lawsuits 😒

[@craig3540]

Couldn’t agree with you more. Also bring back the good old days of logical conferences Big 10 (10 teams) Big 12 better yet big 8. I with you Mr Pate!

[@seminoleboy96]

this is silly this is just because the current conferences don't want to be sued before Clemson FSU get out of there

[@SasoCasablanca63]

Bingo

[@NoleMercy-vb4qp]

Also keeps the negotiations behind the scenes honest. Ensures FSU isn’t forced into a horrible deal like take it or leave it with the sec and big 10. End of the day it’s apparent the GOR is really only through 2027 so if Fsu is in a weird place where they have to spend 2-3 years in the big 12 so be it.

[@wvgolfnut1]

Why would the teams in the Big 10 or SEC take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson? I do believe that they will get an invite after the current media rights end.

[@Mzbbxhfbfnsx]

@@wvgolfnut1they wouldn’t 😂

[@smoaky123]

You ppl are delusional LMAO 🤣

[@GrantGilmour]

Notre Dame is the only school that legitimately exist as an independent and succeed. Hopefully conferences go back to normal at some point

[@trclark7689]

Look, I understand the "homer" aspect of commenting on this and I love the "anonymous" sources as much as the next person, but think about this logically. Clemson and Florida have both filed lawsuits against the ACC and are paying top law firms in two states to handle cases that many say are going to be long and drawn out. The exit price tag for both currently sits at half a billion dollars. The men and women running these universities are not stupid people. Do any of you honestly believe that these universities would be suing the ACC and trying to get out of the conference if they didn't have a wink/nod agreement with the B1G and/or SEC? Do you honestly believe that Clemson and FSU and possibly going to pay a half billion dollars each, plus legal fees, to join the Big 12, which currently pays LESS than the ACC? I keep hearing people talk about how FSU hasn't been a good partner and how people don't like the way they're handling the situation. FSU has been trying to get the ACC to make financial moves for over a decade. FSU (and Miami) are the only schools in the ACC that have "sunshine" laws to make their meetings public. California, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, and Washington do NOT. Clemson and Florida State WILL get out of the ACC and they'll both have a home in one of the two major conferences. They wouldn't be doing this at all if the end result was the Big 12.

[@colerogers9767]

Most of your comment makes perfect sense, except the big 12 paying less. The missing link is Brett Yormark pursuing private equity. That will give the Big 12 way more money. And why would a private equity firm agree to the funding if they didn’t believe there would be a value increase? What better way to get that value added than adding two blue blood programs to a conference that has none currently. So, you get the funding, you give it to FSU and Clemson to allow them to make way more money, which significantly increases the brand value of the Big 12, you use that added value for the new TV contract negotiations in 6 years, then you use a percentage of that money to pay the PE back over the course of the next TV contract.

[@thomassweeney4494]

There is only one problem. The Big 12 can go to the networks to renegotiate the deal. It has not been started yet. It is a possibility to bring in a third media partner. The playoff money goes up. There are the naming rights out there. FSU and Clemson would increase the size of the check. The possibilities are there. Will the B1G and SEC remain ambivalent? Doubtful. We will see what develops. Film at 11.

[@skipgumphrey9579]

Hopefully it’s the SEC ! RTR

[@anthonytitone]

It’s possible they tried to leave based on the assumption that one of the big 2 would want them & they’re right even if reports say otherwise as of now. I agree that they wouldn’t leave to join the BIG12 tho

[@Mzbbxhfbfnsx]

People in high places make dumb decisions based on dumb assumptions all the time. You would like to think the people in Tallahassee and Clemson, South Carolina are super smart and have all their ducks in row. But that’s naive and foolish to assume so. Whenever they do get out of that contract who’s to say the networks won’t be like “yeah, but no thanks, we aren’t going to pay you even more just to add FSU and Clemson”

[@jamesmiller6829]

I'm shocked that the big10 or the SEC hasn't come out and said " we'd love to have FSU and Clemson, matter of fact we're talking to them daily about joining our beloved conference/conferences. Now ACC, please sue us for tampering" lmfao 🤣 😂 😭 💀

[@jamesb0255]

It's so easy to say at one point you have Intel but can't disclose it and then when something happens say That was it That was the intel! I told you guys! This man....

[@stevemartinat8537]

You are totally correct with your comment “nobody knows”.

[@mtxeer8838]

College football started digging their own grave several years back. It might be dead in a decade.

[@Sorbriery]

This sport ain't dying anytime soon, it'll just look very different than the college football we are used too

[@wvgolfnut1]

College football is going the w0ay of Nascar. They got away from their roots, then they tried to reinvent themselves.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@Sorbriery used to.*

[@johnedwinoliver6842]

Gossip, Gossip, Gossip

[@Cufootball7]

Wouldn’t it be considered tampering if the big 10 & sec just came right out and said they were trying to pull fsu and Clemson from the acc. Wouldn’t those conferences be sued if they said that prior to them being released from the acc.

[@SurferRC]

Yes

[@user-lu8fy1vo3p]

Is there a scenario in which the ACC crumbles, (along with any media agreements) and then a new conference is generated with select ex-ACC schools, along with an updated tv deal? FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, NC State, Miami, Va Tech, Ga Tech, maybe? Everyone else gets left out in the cold.

[@jamesb0255]

"Despite the smaller TV contract, the Seminoles were one of the programs to generate the highest revenue during the 2022-23 year. According to Sportico, they had a total operating revenue of $91,476,275, which is the most in the ACC and among the highest totals in the country." Sportico, July 2023 Yet all you haters are saying that Florida State doesn't bring anything to the table. Michael Alford pointed out these numbers to Florida state's BOT in their spring meeting of 2023. FSU would have been the third largest revenue producer in the SEC and/or the Big 12 as of that time last year!! Now y'all are going to tell me that Sankey or Petiti has not seen those numbers? Get out of here! All this is simply a smoke screen so they can't be seen as tampering with an ongoing legal battle which would get them and their conference sued immediately. All the conferences staffs and the University presidents are simply following the lead and what they've been told by their commissioners. Period. Plus we've already been over all of this! Greg Sankey and Tony petiti said right after we filed the lawsuit that invitations would not even be thought about until Florida State was officially out of the ACC!!! Of course they're going to stick to that rhetoric at this time. People simply want to react these days without logically thinking through what they're saying. Fans succumb to clickbait material and believe it to be true without doing any research on their own. It's just sad.

[@philcasesa8626]

🎯

[@kodiakgriz2296]

Mcmurphy is a CLOWn a mouthpiece ...we have seen the pick n roll before okay blah blah ..they will both be in Big 2

[@paulwhitley5515]

He was a hack beat writer for the Tampa Tribune 30 years ago, nothing’s changed.

[@kodiakgriz2296]

@@paulwhitley5515 was not aware thanks for insight ..makes sense !

[@jmakinitrain2356]

FSU won’t be in the SEC

[@EdD-it1zs]

2023-24 Media Exposure Value (ACC Football RS) 1. FSU: $381.6M, 2. Louisville: $165.7M, 3. Clemson: $154.8M, 4. Miami: $136.2M, 5. Duke: $109.3M (TV/Social via Nielsen)”

[@johnfridayxiii8455]

Teams have been changing conferences since football started. No more BCS for a reason. FSU and Clemson are just the latest

[@jacobrobinson1942]

No one thinks of the other sports either… and the logistics of their sport operations.

[@jaredsmith4281]

As a Clemson fan, I'd rather just go independent. Let's get full autonomy.

[@vivahernando1]

FSU, S. Carolina and what is the rest of your schedule??

[@jaredsmith4281]

@@vivahernando1 more options than we currently have

[@sruckel]

Josh, your conference realignment video that reconstituted the old days was brilliant and should be given serious consideration.

[@dbenedict357]

4:37 yeah.. if ACC implodes.. B10 and SEC will fight to get the best.. but if FSU/Clemson gets out of grant of rights.. does that invalidate the GOR of other conferences… does that mean other teams have to stay with their current conference… ?

[@raleighsanford5111]

I'm ready for football so we can put this behind us for a while. There was a lot of talk about USC leaving the PAC that was downplayed, then talk that the 4 corner schools would go to the Big 12 while Oregon and Washington will end up in the Big 10, but we had to endure a year of people talking about how that really isn't going to happen. Then it did. Here is the thing with the ACC, SEC, and ESPN, Disney wants ESPN to curtail spending and ESPN threw the large cash pile to the SEC. Sooner or later, ESPN will consolidate their spending, it is just good business. That time may be now, it may be within a year or 2 or it may be when the ACC GOR expire, but in the end, ESPN is only going to have one cash cow conference and they already picked it.

[@brandonclifton2027]

Inventory is another way to say content creation in today’s online world. If you don’t have content, you’re not making money.

[@jjfilli7]

The big south: FSU, Clemson, Auburn, South Carolina, Memphis, Tulane, Arkansas, UNC, NCST, VATECH, OKST, GATECH, LSU.

[@wardgillett1579]

It's called greed.

[@KeyBorg1]

That was so much word salad, I have no idea what the point was.

[@codybaez5085]

hes basically covering all ground so that whether they go independent, join Big 12, join B10, or join SEC, he can say he told us all of this information and called it.

[@KeyBorg1]

Great point. Just basically say anything is possible, then when something (or nothing) happens, say "that's what I said would happen."

[@alexandergosch8711]

Joshy got a new cameraaaa queue the Jeffersons theme song

[@sruckel]

The reality is that the legal process may either force a settlement or go through more than a year in the courts. Other conferences cannot meddle right now because of contract violations. We will see more clearly in 2026 or 2027.

[@mat.356]

Its not disruptive….. FSU wants a piece of the big pie…. Nothing wrong with that!

[@NorthGeorgiaJosh]

Ou Texas USC and ucla definitely weren’t disruptive. Ou and Texas almost torpedoed the big 12 which will now our last the acc. And usc and ucla definitely wasnt the domino that led to the pac 12 being torpedoed. They weren’t disruptive at all 😂

[@anthonytitone]

FSU is both disruptive & valid to feel/act the way they do. Let’s not pretend they aren’t actively hurting lower level teams in their conference tho just like Texas, OU, UCLA, USC, Oregon & Washington

[@Mzbbxhfbfnsx]

@@NorthGeorgiaJoshUSC and UCLA did not sue the PAC12, they did not hire lawyers to break their contract early, they did not accuse ESPN of predatory and unfair practices, and they did not wage a public smear campaign to discredit the name and image of the PAC12

[@danlong6162]

Awesome as always, Josh. Much appreciated!

[@A1Googler]

Josh Pate is thinking like an outsider void or apathetic to the relationships between conference members. If you make move like Josh Pate would make moves, folks, YOU WOULD EFFECTIVELY PUSH OUT OTHER TEAMS FROM YOUR CONFERENCE. Do not "go get inventory". This is devaluing chemistry over matchups and forgetting that chemistry and rivalries is what got you to this point.

[@aaronlampkin284]

Even in the NFL those long standing rivalries drive up the market. You’re 100% correct

[@jamesmiller6829]

And that Josh Pate is completely correct! No one knows!!!

[@seth_housman]

Florida State is not a disruptive partner. It's very hypocritical of the SEC and B1G to to call ANYONE else a disruptive partner, which is exactly what those two conferences are

[@SuperBen7878]

FSU appears to have clear sailing because the board of trustees did not sign the contract which was mandated by Florida law.

[@NOLES-wm3ly]

Thanks for setting the record straight.👍

[@hcopenhagenh]

McMurphy then backtracked in a video.

[@davidfloyd9134]

Never underestimate the Big12 or Brett Yormark

[@derrickcoble5962]

He's the most innovative and aggressive commissioner of any conference. If not, the BIG XII would've been toast instead of taking PAC-12 teams along with the B1G. That makes alot of people nervous. They were all laughs 3 summers ago 😂😂😂

[@willpsone]

The thing about adding FSU and Clemson to the SEC or Big 10 isn't just whether they add *any* value to the league, it's whether they add enough value to justify giving those particular schools a piece of their pie. If the SEC/Big Ten schools are already looking at making $75-$100 per school, how much more do they need to make to justify giving FSU and Clemson the same? One other thing to consider just in regard to those two schools and the SEC specifically that makes them different from OU/Texas is that their rivalry games with Florida and South Carolina along with their frequent games against other SEC schools means FSU and Clemson are theoretically already part of the SEC's yearly inventory- while adding games against Bama or UGA might be nice, you also add in games against Vandy and Kentucky. Is that worth it considering you already have access to the biggest or second biggest games those schools play every year anyway?

[@EuroNole]

FSU earned over $130m in CFB for the ACC last year. That’s a lot more money than most SEC or B1G teams earned. They would make tens of millions a year for either conference.

[@willpsone]

@@EuroNole So if you assume they bring along a partner (Clemson or someone else) and that $130m figure carries over to a league that already has big brands and the Florida market they add just over $7 million per school to an 18 school SEC **before** accounting for whatever their own cut of the share is. Is $7 million more really worth it to elevate what amounts to a rival program to the likes of Bama, UGA and the other SEC power players when they are already bringing in $75-$100 million?

[@williamgrooms5406]

@@willpsone if the current membership doesn't incrementally gain, I don't see why they would invite any other schools?

[@EuroNole]

@@willpsone Fair question. CFB is no longer market driven, it is brand driven. What is Alabama’s market? Birmingham? No, they are a truly national brand. So is Florida State. The fact that two schools might be in the same geographic area is immaterial. Every brand has their own following. The SEC already had Texas A&M, why add Texas?

[@jasonbooth94]

Then why add Texas and Oklahoma?

[@davidfloyd9134]

SEC started all this. Would love to see FSU & Clemson in the big12 with VT, Miami, Louisville & NCST

[@elicabelly2119]

I just had a talk with my son. I'm in Oregon, he is in high school, about to be a junior, and he has big dreams. He wants to accomplish big things, and college would help him do that. However, he has a 3.0 GPA. He has a lot of problems with missing assignments. He won't be able to get into the top notch private colleges or the high ranked out of state universities. I was able to tell him that he still has options. He can go to a trade school, or he can go to U of O. U of O is not highly ranked, in fact it's ranked pretty low. However, U of O is now going to be a part of the Big Ten Academic Alliance. That matters. If he goes that route, being part of the BTAA is going to matter to his career. That's a big deal. Academics don't matter to the viewer. They might not even matter to many students that just want to go and play sports. They matter to the parents. They matter to the administrators. They matter to the professors. Right now I'm pushing him to join the automotive maintenance after school group. Having trade skills is a great backup in life.

[@BDW0000]

I hope the best for him.

[@garygodorov-kw6jm]

recall Texas and Oklahoma were not going to SEC mainly texas due to texas AM look what happened. FSU and Clemson will be in the Big 10

[@tarheel7406]

For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?

[@briangilk4190]

Spot on. There's a lot of runway before the next phase of realignment takes off. What the SEC and Big 10 say today doesn't mean its what they will say a year from now.

[@None-dj8iy]

6:20 approx. Of the video... yes, the B1G should get FSU and Clemson if possible, as they are building the true national conference!

[@DanRagoo]

Big ten would be stupid if they don’t except FSU, Clemson, and Notre Dame. They should heavily consider North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia and a school from Texas. I thought they wanted to be a national conference.

[@RaymondPexton]

SEC wants louisville and Virginia, maybe later Clemson and Florida state.

[@ianmacgregor1463]

They are saying that garbage to reduce the amount of money they think they’ll have to pay for FSU. FSU and Clemson will be in one of them.

[@DocSnicklefritz]

In the streaming era all conferences will have all markets, the question is, amongst those games (now that anyone anywhere can see any game) which provide the highest caliber games? Who wins those eyes that are no longer regionally locked? Top tier, winning brands fighting it out. The answer to whos going power two is in the past decade of W-L stats.

[@thepathoforion]

If FSU and Clemson had somewhere to go, they’d be there.

[@FritzTheCat_1030]

FSU and Clemson aren't leaving the ACC this year, regardless. FSU and Clemson aren't leaving until either the ACC agrees to a settlement or there is a decision in the court cases...because they aren't leaving without their media rights. This entire scenario changes every week...this is all speculation on what the situation might be next year or 2 years from now. I'd be absolutely stunned if anyone announces they are leaving the ACC by the August deadline for the 2025 season.

[@jacobcurti2979]

Youre the same dude that said their be a big annoucment in july regarding this!

[@tylerboyd7992]

Well what you got to take into consideration is. If they’re actively communicating with other conferences and fsu leaves and goes to Said conference then they have gave the acc a leg to stand on for a lawsuit. So of course they’re gonna say “we don’t want them” they’re gonna say that until fsu is out of acc

[@user-pv3hx1rm9g]

Infringement lawsuit protection

[@charleslockhart9970]

Y'all the only reason why FSU, Clemson and UNC aren't in the big 10 or Sec yet is cause these lawsuits aren't settled the big ten and Sec are just waiting too see how big or little that exit fee will be but it's also only those three schools who have enough value to make it worth. Plus keep in mind Purdue, Vanderbilt, northwestern, Indiana, these schools are getting paid close to a 100 mill a year there literally dead weight what helps carry dead weight more muscle like FSU and Clemson and UNC

[@jimsomerville3924]

Yeah, B1G didn't pick up UO/UW until Pac was completely unraveling.

[@JohnDavis-tm3bo]

But also at half price

[@jimedick9496]

@@JohnDavis-tm3bo That’s because the B1G didn’t have an elevator clause to bring in more teams not named ND. The media rights deal was already signed. USC/UCLA came in as full members because they were part of the media negotiations with the B1G/Fox. So any teams they add removes money from the existing schools. It cuts the pie into smaller pieces. Once the current contract expires, they become full paid members.

[@simmonsable]

I might be wrong, but i think most people in the south view Michigan - Ohio State as the only must watch BIG 10 game.

[@RedMage409]

All of this chatter is to prevent lawsuits.

[@silvergold2140]

No Way The SEC is taking FSU - Miami - Clemson,, Not Gonna Happen.. Clemson Ran From The SEC,, Years Ago When The SEC Was Ready To Offer Both Invitations, Both Snubbed Them With Their Noses Up..

[@davidchalona6494]

Facts!

[@princebowie9950]

FSU & Clemson 100% should be in SEC. Bring UNC, NC St, Duke, Va Tech, UVA, & Miami. Be the real SEC

[@user-ub1yf2px8p]

6:43 Exactly, I don’t want to watch fsu vs northwestern or Texas tech. I don’t want to see Clemson vs Minnesota or Arizona state. I don’t think people would want to watch those

[@EdD-it1zs]

Northwestern went from 1-11 in 2022 to 8-5 last season and I can't let you talk down on the Gophers they usually have tough teams. Northwestern is building a state of the art stadium. FSU is going to the Big 10.

[@treyabbey6477]

I forget. How exciting is it to play Vanderbilt, Missouri, Miss State? Let me guess, Missouri is elite now because they had 1 good year in the last 10 years?

[@EdD-it1zs]

@@treyabbey6477 Don't forget to add they play 8 games in conference then four teams who are usually group of 5 or fcs programs. 😂

[@wvgolfnut1]

Correction: You don't want to see FSU lose to those teams

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@wvgolfnut1 FSU wouldn't lose to those teams unless it was a Taggart situation.

[@thomaslepage2840]

I like Josh pate. But I really don’t think anything is happening this year or for maybe another year and he has just been click bating people that are fans of ACC teams this off season with fake realignment rumors. Bad look!

[@MrEddiethedog]

You say Oregon shouldn't even be in the B1G??? Yet I've heard you say they could win the B1G, what say you buddy???

[@jimedick9496]

I think he’s referring to them, as well as the LA teams, still in the PAC. He mentioned OU and Texas still being in the Big 12. He’s not talking about football talent, he’s talking about regional conferences. I agree with his point of view. I miss the days these conferences where regional.

[@MrEddiethedog]

@@jimedick9496 I hear you, gonna be a challenge with all the travel!!!

[@jimedick9496]

@@MrEddiethedog Especially for the Olympic sports. This is going be tough for so many teams. You got to wonder if it’s really worth it. Still, the matchups are going to be epic

[@eveg4268]

Saying that FSU isn't "cooperative" is a diplomatic way of saying that they're entitled. Their entitlement is a subject of conversation that we're not addressing adequately.

[@noelramirez1551]

so now you hate realignment because FSU and Clemson might be left out😂

[@encycl07pedia-]

FSU and Clemson aren't going to be left out. Pate loves Moral Gables.

[@noelramirez1551]

@@encycl07pedia- I know they won't lol but it's funny hearing him talk about realignment with the reports that came out about how the SEC and B1G didn't want them

[@campbellcampbell9059]

Media Markets do matter. Ask advertisers and affiliate marketing/sales. Local advertising matters and subsequently it matters to rights owners and trickles down conferences whose rights have been purchased. Conference Board members haven’t been told what’s what but this conversation is coming. Love uppity Big10 looking to fill its conference with Blue Blood (academic) Universities like UNC and UVA. We’ll see how this all nets out but don’t see ACC breaking up because ESPN and FOX want to sit back and see what their first stab at shaping the future of college football looks like and the ACC still pays out more than BIG12. Your prediction of big news/ things in July, seems like it will be a whole lot of nothing…

[@jasonbooth94]

Umm no they don’t. Television viewership is the only thing that matters when the people paying are the cable networks

[@campbellcampbell9059]

@@jasonbooth94 ummmhh, tool boy who do you think pays the cable company. Do you even know what affiliate sales are. Move along

[@turdfurgison149]

Notre Dame is already independent!

[@anthonytitone]

Yep, they’re on the same level as UCONN!!

[@encycl07pedia-]

In football, yes. In other sports, ND is in the ACC.

[@kelley1083]

SEC should swap Vanderbilt out for Florida State 😂. On a serious note I think Florida State and Clemson should be in the SEC 🤷

[@rickstclair2217]

both big conferences are still in the digesting stage of adding new members, do not need new ones currently so Clemson, fsu do not have much of a choice, remain in ACC, go to big12 or SUNBELT. they have zero leverage to asked to be paid more, get sweetheart deal than other teams in the big12, just got rid of Texas which had one of those deals, no thanks.

[@user-ud5is1wt1u]

Didn’t he say something was going down? Smh

[@boweevil8390]

There are some smart people at UNC Clemson and Florida St that can read financial statements. They know that having to pay athletes 22 million a year on top of everything puts ACC schools at a competitive disadvantage. Unless ESPN renegotiates the TV deal, the ACC is all but dead. Teams have no choice but to find a way out. Comparing the SEC B10 and ACC, the ACC has the largest percentage of dead weight. So whether it’s 2025 or 2036 the ACC needs to figure out if they exist or not.

[@Atwater20]

I think Josh is jumping the gun on Florida State. Florida State's biggest complaint is money, so why would they pass up on tens of millions of dollars to go to the Big12, it just doesn't make sense.

[@EuroNole]

Is this a troll account? FSU is spending $250m to get out of the ACC to move sideways. You say that they would make tens of millions more in the Big 12, that is utter rubbish. There’s less than zero chance that they are going to the Big 12.

[@Atwater20]

@@EuroNole Re-read my post, you've got it backwards.

[@jeridreeves3258]

Bring back Sewanee to the SEC

[@jjfilli7]

FSU will go independent or stay in the ACC. Either way they are In the playoffs every year.

[@James-xg5rh]

Why would they go to the Big 12? They are basically a JV conference now. ACC is currently still better than them. If they leave it has to be for the SEC or Big10

[@Mzbbxhfbfnsx]

There’s only 2 power conferences now. Everyone else is either a mid conference or a bottom level conference 😔

[@roblewis76]

FSUs next BOT meeting is Monday, July 22, 2024. Could there be some true information there?

[@keruetz]

As a fan, I’d love to see FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Notre Dame all go to the Big 12. What fun that would be. That being said, I’m with you on going back to the days of SWC and Big 8. I WAS born and a fan back in those days. People don’t remember how big a game like Texas at Baylor was back in those days.

[@paulmoyer7129]

CFB is going down the toilet and fast!

[@Between_the_numbers]

Saudi Arabia has entered the chat

[@jmakinitrain2356]

FSU ain’t coming to the sec. Idk about Clemson

[@wvgolfnut1]

As a Big 12 fan, i don't want FSU. I would rather get NC, Miami, VT, Clemson,

[@bennettconnelly7899]

This is just a snippet of the large conversation of how the elites are turning the sport we all love into the NFL. Two super conferences, more games that have less meaning, large playoff that allows teams that don’t deserve to be there to have a seat at the table, and paying players to play 6 games at 100%. This needs to stop and we need to go back.

[@webmoore4353]

He just said something big was going to happen now just follows recent reports to say “oh yeah nothing is happening”

[@darealmvp2437]

It seems that FSU acted on emotion and didn't think this through.

[@TylerSnoen-no1yu]

Through

[@brjames2767]

But they took Texas

[@mrjtrichardson]

We needed a larger presence in TX. Recruiting. Point blank period

[@grondhero]

@@mrjtrichardson They had A&M, which is in Texas.

[@Jasinho702]

In response to 5:10 - 7:04 . I have long advocated for more competitive college football and the prospect of adding games of that magnitude will be a means to an end when compared to having a mismatch on a schedule on a regular basis. I do not have the patience nor the inclination to watch any game that runs up a score against a bunch of players whom may not see the light of day in the NFL. Let me watch Georgia play FSU, Clemson, Texas, and Oklahoma on a regular basis and I'll be certain that will be the big screen game on Saturday.

[@aaronlampkin284]

You realize some of those schools will become the teams you hated right?

[@philcasesa8626]

Josh, it's all about bargaining. We will be in the B1G. And it will be great! Go Noles ---------;;--->

[@tarheel7406]

For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?

[@philcasesa8626]

​@@tarheel7406we must have a misunderstanding. I said we want to be in the B1G. I thought thar was clear.

[@10pointdown]

Agree 💯

[@DaCribCane]

Said this back in December, little brother in Tallahassee being loud and aggravating will come back to bite them. Little brother getting politicians involved, going after ESPN, Kirk and anybody else that made an obvious decision about the playoffs. Little brother should go independent like Notre Dame and control their own path.

[@webcamthemesongs]

Dude Florida is lil bro

[@aaronlampkin284]

Exactly. Mofo’s just started to get back on track after Jimbo’s last year and Willie’s tenure and trying to make mafia demands. The problem that ACC/BIG 12 PAC-12 and rest of the conference’s don’t realize is nobody cares unless you win. Change comes with beating the SEC/Big 10 as a whole or at least the heavyweights consistently.

[@caseymiller5257]

lol. Miami is little brother to both FSU and Florida. Nobody gives a fuck about them outside of Miami.

[@kenmcbride1171]

FSU has a winning record against the SEC teams. Check the record out 72-71-6. They can compete and with the additional revenue from joining the SEC or B1G will even do better.

[@daviddejesus5376]

Not quite correct on having the politicians involved. AG Moody's request for the contracts was done on the AG's office own accord and not at the request of FSU. AG Moody's job is to protect Florida entities. Ms. Moody is a UF grad. Maybe and/or plausible on the rest of your post Lastly AG = Attorney General and not Auditor General.

[@eugenedabney2086]

Black Tee?

[@ftmhome]

It's all about the Almighty Dollar.

[@kenmcbride1171]

Both FSU and Clemson are always in the top ten schools in football both would be assets for the B1G or the SEC. Both conferences can't comment on taking either team or the ACC will sue them for interference. As soon as both are finally out of the crappy ACC via buyouts THEN the bidding for both top notch schools from the B1G or SEC will happen. As far as going to the "little 12" that not even an option, as there is little change in revenue between the ACC or "little 12".

[@Mzbbxhfbfnsx]

Is it the little 12 or the mid 12 ?

[@Adam-us5dv]

FSU or* Clemson. They have never both been good at the same time. The lack of competition is why they can’t get the tv deal that the big conferences have.