Josh Pate On FSU Possibly Leaving The ACC (Late Kick Cut)

FSU and Mike Norvell saw their magical 2023 run come to an unhappy ending with being excluded from the CFP and being humbled by UGA in the Orange Bowl, and on Late Kick Live Ep 468 Josh Pate responded to a viewer question about whether the efforts by the Seminoles to escape the ACC will be successful. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@LateKickwithJoshPate]

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[@brett8078]

When you only have 55 players available. Can't fault all the players opting out when most came back from last year when they could've gone pro

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@brett8078 when you have poor leadership this is what happens

[@papadavewatson]

@@brett8078 This happens every year. Players have opted out of bowl games for every big time program, but no one has lost 63 - 3. Until yesterday.

[@TheBullethead]

It's been a couple decades since I had anything to do with the contract law but it seems to me that FSU's only real legal arguments are over its contract with the ACC to allow the ACC to negotiate media contracts for it. As I understand the situation (and I could be wrong), FSU itself is not a party to the actual media rights deal, which was between the media and the ACC as an entity, so that contract is _res inter alios acta_ for FSU. IOW, FSU can't complain about the media deal itself because that was a deal done between others. However, FSU CAN complain (whether successfully or not remains to be seen) about the ACC's handling of that deal because FSU is in a contract with the ACC. FSU could argue that this contract created fiduciary duties for the ACC towards its member schools and that the ACC breached these duties by signing a bad deal. The problem for FSU here is that the deal only looks bad now, in hindsight, and I'm sure the ACC asked all the schools if they were cool with this deal before the ACC signed it. How did FSU vote on this? I don't know but, if they voted for it, that pretty much scuppers this argument. If FSU voted against but was out-voted, then FSU maybe has a case. BUT, the same could be said of EVERY ACC school and I don't see any of the rest trying to make the same case, even though they're all in the same boat with FSU. So, FSU's case here seems pretty weak all around. The only other fairly obvious avenue I see open to FSU is more in equity than law by claiming that both contracts here (even though the key one is _res inter alios acta_ ) are, or at least have become, unenforceable due to now being unconscionable. Meaning FSU would suffer irreparable harm from having to abide by their terms. The problem here is that FSU as an institution is not going to cease to exist, it will just no longer be a high-power sports school. But we often forget that the REAL purposes of colleges is to train the future leaders of our national economy, who actually help us maintain our place at the top of the global economic, technological, and military food chain. College sports, however passionate we might get about them, are simply lagniappe entertainment and totally subsidiary (no matter how much income they bring in for the schools) to the actual purpose of the schools. There are plenty of excellent academic schools that suck at sports (except maybe low-budget basketball) because they have their priorities right. If FSU becomes one of those, then so be it. They signed the deal. Thus, I don't think FSU has much of a case here, either. Thus, legally, perhaps the only thing FSU can do is argue that some technicality in the specific language of their contract with the ACC makes it unenforceable or some such. Not having the text of the contracts, I can't say if this is possible. It probably isn't given that high-dollar lawyers from all parties hashed it out. So, at the end of the day, I agree with you that FSU will probably need to sell its soul to whatever entity agrees to cover FSU's exit penalties because I don't see FSU prevailing in court on this. This will present FSU with a choice similar to when Frodo offered Galadriel the One Ring. Retain, even gain, power but be cursed, or diminish and fade away in the sports arena while still being a good SCHOOL.

[@OneChance1_official]

OHHHH THE TIMING OF THIS POST 😭😭😭

[@litedawg]

Josh is a savage for releasing this now!

[@theman1412]

Read the description, he knows what he is doing

[@LilBoiPeep69]

my thoughts exactly

[@spacecoast4890]

Duh, he wants views

[@rodneydockins3485]

I don’t know if they are leaving the Acc but they are definitely getting run out of the Orange Bowl lol

[@buff21cc]

They ran out their backups and scout team so they could collect their check and stick it to the ESPN ratings. Have fun with your narrative, keep crying with the ESPN announcers about how Florida State ruined your game. Payback sucks don't it.

[@58Goon58]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jeremyharrell3740]

Go Dawgs!!!

[@hostileactual7655]

Worst loss in BOWL history..... holy shit

[@AnthonyLopez-ph5yg]

Makes sense when most the team opts out in protest. Don’t owe CFP anything

[@papadavewatson]

I don't know if they can leave the Orange Bowl without help!

[@themuckler8176]

Georgia got charged with assault and battery

[@AceWillliams]

Sun Belt looking for another team

[@Voodoo3313]

They could meet up with Billy Napier when he gets fired.😂😂😂

[@christopherrj3pp]

Gators in the sec fsu is not trying to make a case why they should by losing by 60 made history😂😂

[@georged8644]

The ACC will probably kick them out for being an embarrassment in the Orange Bowl.

[@Doc_Boots]

Yes! For free. Just pick up bags and go today

[@morganwartman8507]

Lol please do it then when we leave that garbage conference and get properly compensated for TV deals we can actually prevent bum programs from offering the bag to our recruits on NSD

[@palmbeachcane9523]

@@morganwartman8507You can’t even pay your NIL deals that were promised to your players. Ask Verse if he got paid? Mikey making promises that he can’t keep. All your talent is gone and just left with lies from Norvell.

[@ronelite582]

@@palmbeachcane9523 FSU bowl game are results you get when you hire mercenary football players, and by seasons end, can’t foot the financial bill.

[@palmbeachcane9523]

@@ronelite582 18 of 22 starters from the portal. Enough said.

[@Ronin-FBA]

Honestly, after that Orange Bowl massacre. The ACC might kick them out

[@Doc_Boots]

Fingers crossed

[@LilBoiPeep69]

we can only hope

[@Voodoo3313]

😂😂😂😂

[@Dolemite19]

FSU don't even see they ruined all their arguments they have against the ACC in that lawsuit. The ACC can basically say that FSU representation at the orange 🍊 bowl 🏟️ and the slander fsu been doing to the ACC has brought down the value of the conference as a whole. FSU don't see how much damage they done to their football program

[@pdj5652]

If they brought the value down the exit fee should be lower. They boycotted plain and simple. CFP told them 13-0 didn’t matter so why would one more game matter?! Not like they could play for a championship anymore and opinions on 14-0 wouldn’t have mattered either.

[@cjflorida5678]

Appreciate the logical explanation of this! Always blows my mind when people comment on without having any understanding. Getting out of the ACC is absolutely mandatory for any team that wants to be in the conversation 10 years for now. Everyone else can thank FSU for leasing the charge

[@brianpunter8471]

Right. ACC is a dead conference walking and teams know this

[@nickalfidi3285]

@@brianpunter8471 I mean if we're being honest with ourselves, so is any conference sans BIG 10 or SEC. We've been headed for the AFC-NFC verison of CFB for years now. Once the Texas-OU domino fell a few years ago, so began the process of the power 2 conferences adding teams left and right, for better or worse (worse imo).

[@thetony5474]

Apparently the only way FSU lawyers could review the Grant of Rights was to make an appointment with the ACC, go down to their HQ and review it in person because there’s only one copy that no one is allowed to remove. How awkward is that?

[@CoolHandLuke813]

Hope you enjoyed playing Georgia today, FSU. Now picture having to play them every year. Have fun. 👋

[@palmbeachcane9523]

Yeah but they beat 9-3 LSU 😂😂😂😂

[@CoolHandLuke813]

@@palmbeachcane9523 Ooo they beat the 4th or 5th best team in the conference! Riveting!!! 😱😱😱

[@palmbeachcane9523]

@@CoolHandLuke813 Now they know what a real program looks like

[@chrispowell4251]

And the clowns that wanted FSU in, lol - 60 point loss. The ACC should kick em out. What a joke. FSU needs to play Divison 3 ball.

[@CoolHandLuke813]

@@chrispowell4251 I support everything you just said lol.

[@mauricelouis9]

FSU embarrassed the ACC so bad, the conference might let them leave for free.

[@Mike-sp7zv]

The acc embarrassed FSU

[@505premoto]

Yes! Yes! Yes! Horribly embarrassing. The ACC’s reputation was besmirched. They are livid with rage. As I see it, the only thing for FSU to do is humbly apologize and turn in their locker key in the ACC clubhouse and leave by the service entrance. And take that $78m a year contribution to the conference coffers with them. The ACC doesn’t need their grubby money, they can cover it by raising ticket prices to the ACC polo games. Good riddance. I see that we are in complete agreement.

[@louiet4905]

Your profile pic embarrasses you 🤣😂🤣😂

[@davidh.4649]

Still gave up less points, with a decimated team, to UGA, than Clemson did at full strength, to WVU. Maybe the ACC should let both FSU and Clemson leave.

[@AJTramberg]

Meh. Everyone knows it wasn't a real game.

[@briancalhoun279]

Well they did send threats to not show up. They accomplished that 😂

[@re4477]

Savage! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@IAHD]

They tanked the ratings on purpose

[@powell4661]

Wimps

[@speedracer2336]

They should have joined the SEC when offered under Bobby, but he wanted to stay in a weaker conference and win consistently!

[@buff21cc]

When Bowden was coaching in the 90s they were already playing 5-6 ranked teams per year, with 2-3 in the Top 10. Miami and UF were constants.

[@speedracer2336]

@@buff21cc check Bobby’s comments as to why he declined the SEC invitation!

[@buff21cc]

Yet from joining the ACC in 1992 through the end of the decade FSU played more ranked opponents (46) and held a better record than the next best team (UF) in the country during that same span. UF played 45 ranked opponents. FSU's was the most winningest team over a decade until Alabama recently overcame the record (they played more games, less ranked teams, and won the difference). So state your SEC narrative however you want but it doesn't take away from the fact that FSU still played a tougher schedule than the SEC and still knocked off their top team year after year during the Bowden Era.

[@FritzTheCat_1030]

They were never offered. It was discussed...and it's possible that they may have been offered if they would have been willing to accept it, but UF had vowed to block it and it was definitely not a given that they could have joined. The ACC paid better at the time. AND the SEC wasn't very good. It was UF and Tennessee and a whole lot of bad football teams who just rotated on and off probation because they refused to follow the rules. It wasn't until Saban came along...at LSU, then Bama...that the SEC turned into the powerhouse that it is.

[@speedracer2336]

@@FritzTheCat_1030 you tube Bobby about joining the SEC! SEC won 3 Natys in the 90s, 3 different teams, before Saban came to lsu. You don’t read much?

[@thekey1682]

I see these FSU fans saying that half their team opted out before the game started.....and it looks like the OTHER half opted out DURING the game😂

[@LilBoiPeep69]

lol its hilarious. i see a dif number every comment. 21 opt outs, 42 opt outs, 35 opt outs…. love to see fsu get absolutely donkey d*cked

[@setalight7290]

Georgias 3rd stringers beat them 21-0 in second half kirby could have had the game 90-0 easy

[@kevinkelley3657]

This week, somebody said that for FSU to leave the ACC now, it would cost $572,000,000.

[@michaelbyrne8238]

If FSU joins the SEC then they can get stomped in the regular season so debating getting in to the playoffs as undefeated won't be an issue anymore.

[@skipgumphrey9579]

That’s why Coach Bowden kept them away from the SEC the last time the Noles had a chance to join the SEC… RTR

[@joeberger6015]

We own the SEC😂

[@gatornationforlife2001]

@@joeberger601563-3 sure you own it😂😂😂

[@morganwartman8507]

4-0 against that bum conference last 2 years in games that actually mattered, cope more

[@Zargabaath]

ACC's "best" vs SEC *EAST'S* best ended in a 63-3, buddy. You fucking losers didn't even deserve 5th.

[@ronelite582]

After tonight’s debacle, I can bet mine and your financial savings, FSU will avoid the SEC like a COVID plague.

[@Braisedin]

Don't worry we don't want them

[@Zargabaath]

Absolutely not. I don't want a program that encourages quitters like FSU does. They can go to the Sunbelt, or whatever the fuck. They'll go 13-0 there, get left out, and cry more. Or they'll get in at 12th and lose their first playoff game. Bobby Bowden is rolling in his grave.

[@ronelite582]

@@Braisedin the million dollar question ( no pun) is does the SEC wants FSU? 🤔

[@thegood9]

The deal is, the ACC was ALREADY dead before this thing was signed. That's why their value was so low to the whole tv deal. It didn't JUST NOW suddenly happen.

[@dennislopez1272]

FSPUKE is an embarrassment to college football. I can't believe they are complaining about not going to the CFP. They SUCK.

[@MrJking065]

Florida needed to beat Georgia to make the case that they should be in the playoffs. Instead of being beaten so bad, it makes the CFB committee the correct call.

[@css31069]

Florida? They were not bowl eligible.

[@skipgumphrey9579]

Obviously they meant Florida State. RTR

[@AnthonyLopez-ph5yg]

Not even the same team that played the regular season.

[@observer466]

@@skipgumphrey9579 which just shows that the poster does not have a clue.

[@setalight7290]

​@@AnthonyLopez-ph5ygfsu couldn't contain georgia 3rd string, 21-0

[@jonathanpowell2990]

As a Clemson fan I’ve been waiting for your opinion / opinions on this! Thank you for the video! Go Tigers!

[@GrayGamer]

As a Bama fan, Clemson and FSU need to get out of the ACC to continue competing for championships. Th SEC, BIG 10, and to a lesser extent the BIG 12 are the future conferences of CFB. Going undefeated and not making the playoffs is sad but the reality of the sport and the right decision. The players did all they could to make it but the administrators need to put them in a competing conference.

[@garygable4170]

Did they not read the contract they signed? Do they not know that contracts are binding legal documents? It seems as though FSU is just digging their own hole by complaining about the ACC and then crying because they didn't get in the playoff.

[@tylerbrooklyn4187]

They probably should’ve not shown up to the Orange Bowl. Would’ve saved themselves the embarrassment

[@winst0n888]

$$$

[@IAHD]

They did it to tank ratings. As a big fuck you to ESPN and the CFP committee

[@Dolemite19]

When you deal with a school full of money grubbing coward sellouts they wasn't going to pass up the money showing their whole whinny "we got left out we're protesting" argument is 🐕💩 Because they're not going to give the money back

[@Steeledawg]

Don’t think they want the SEC.

[@css31069]

Yes they do. There is no future for any program where anyone on a staff or on the roster that shows any potential gets poached by a mid or low tier SEC program because they can offer 2x or 3x what FSU could offer. There is no future if not in one of the big two.

[@MrMcgooOG]

@@css31069 they had their chance. Now suffer the consequences.

[@css31069]

@MrMcgooOG yeah, absolutely. I'll pass the word along to the administrators, lawyers and board of trustees members who get paid a lot of money to do what is best for the school. I'm sure they'll be glad you had that amazing suggestion.

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@css31069fsu leadership had a lack of foresight.. tell em that too

[@nickpatterson2479]

@@css31069 sec don't want yall. Academic standards aren't high enough for big 10. Good luck in the big 12!

[@joepauly2311]

The SEC already told the quitters, both the school trying to get out without paying the exit fee and the players who left the team because they thought they were snubbed, to go pound sand. Hopefully the B10 will do the same.

[@RoscoPColtrane17]

Why?

[@InsaneDude6161995]

SEC says that they won't take FSU but I guarantee you the moment they see B1G try to get them they will pick them up for the sole purpose of keeping them away from B1G.

[@lorenzohaynes3886]

No, hopefully, the Big 10 will take them. Why shouldn't they make the money they deserve when every brand has moved to do the same?

[@505premoto]

The SEC did? You got a call from Greg Sankey? You and he went to high school together, did you? Does he call you often?

[@lyndalamb3221]

Greg Sankey better tell them the SEC doesn't want whiney babies.

[@JDashRider]

Haha, FSU just officially cancelled their football program due to embarrassment in the Orange Bowl.

[@buff21cc]

If UGA couldn't have done what FSU does to their backups and scout team everyday in practice then they shouldn't have been in the Orange Bowl to begin with. What FSU did, they showed up, collected their paycheck, and got live reps for their backups and scout team. FSU also stuck it to the ESPN ratings because you know that people didn't tune into the game because they knew what was going to happen and several other people tuned out because of what happened. I called it weeks ago that most FSU starters would opt out and the game would be a blowout.

[@wolfwilliams]

You don't even believe that bullshit you wrote. "We should be champs if we end up the only unbeaten team!" From delusional champs to chumps, in three hours. Well done.

[@58Goon58]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jalo5855]

​@@buff21cc FSU was an utter embarrassment to themselves and the university!!

[@MrMcgooOG]

@@buff21cc your the same type of fella who believes I the Ukranian war.

[@waynejenkins8242]

Saturday FSU basketball lost to Lipscomb (A-Sun team out of Nashville) 78-75 in Tallahassee. All we heard from FSU basketball was "What happened? We lost to Lipscomb! They were ahead about 80% of the game and were ahead by 21 in the second half! We're ruined! People will talk about us all season long! How can it get any worse"" FSU Football - "Hold my beer, watch this!"😧

[@sean78745]

FSU should try soccer. They might be good at it

[@StryveTactical]

They won the national championship a few weeks ago lol

[@Zargabaath]

The only thing they won was a healthy dose of clowning.

[@FreeAmerican-mm2my]

But women play soccer

[@tomware9448]

ACC will probably help them pack!

[@MeOhMyOh2324]

Have they written their apology letters to the committee yet? 🤣

[@richfitz3821]

No. You know FSU played mostly 3rd stringers right?

[@brianupchurch9154]

​@@richfitz3821That's exactly why they didn't get in. The defensive opt outs weren't going to help that offense

[@MeOhMyOh2324]

@@richfitz3821 oh yes well aware. But if they wanted to send a message, then no excuses. Stand behind the talk. Brock Bowers didn’t play. And by the second half, Georgia had second and third string in too. If you’re going to whine and complain then prove your point.

[@kennethlamar4792]

But lost to Georgia though​@@richfitz3821

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@richfitz3821the amount of times i have heard this excuse is hilarious. fsu is trash.

[@Herb___]

Horrible ending to a season that started so great for FSU & Mike Norvell -Norvell is now 1-4 in Bowl Games -Norvell has never defeated a team with a winning record in the post season -He’s responsible for the worst loss in Bowl Game History.

[@user-mg3nc6iu8t]

But now they will have to join a real conference, uh oh.

[@Doc_Boots]

The point Josh was making is that it would be better to be at the bottom of a conference with a future then to sit at the top of a sinking ship.

[@jamesthompson9161]

They would have lost. If all players was there anyway

[@css31069]

Cool.

[@hunttx19]

Court will work out a deal.

[@brianthomas9445]

Come on over to the sec fsu😊 We need some more homecoming opponents 😂

[@caseymiller5257]

Homecoming opponent for the SEC? If FSU is so easy to play against, why didn’t Florida and LSU win? 🤔🤔🤔

[@505premoto]

I don’t know. Why don’t you ask LSU and Florida? And I just love it when people like you never mention their school. Don’t blame them. They probably have a very good reason. LOL

[@caseymiller5257]

@@505premoto that wasn’t the burn you thought it was. If FSU is so bad and the SEC teams could treat fsu like a homecoming opponent, why did Florida and LSU lose to them. They’re apart of the same conference as Georgia.

[@christopherrj3pp]

​​@@caseymiller5257 listen to what you saying yall happy about beating the gators that's in rebuild mode with a 5-7 record that didn't make a bowl game this year and fsu 13-0 and play another play-off team and lose by 60 why yall couldn't beat Georgia the same way Georgia players still played and took it serious while fsu scared and opting out 😂

[@caseymiller5257]

@@christopherrj3pp I’m not happy because I know they’re. Im making a point with sectards saying how FSU is a homecoming team for the SEC even though they’ve beaten multiple SEC teams this year and last year. It’s a stupid statement they made I’m proving wrong. Read.

[@mrrealtor31]

We in the ACC will be glad to see them go. They had no complaints about money when Clemson was bringing in all the money for the ACC now that they had one good year in 14 years, they want to complain and say they’re not getting enough money well goodbye and take your crappy team with you. The committee got it right by not letting your so-called team in the playoffs because this what would’ve happened if you did face one of the other teams.

[@observer466]

Clemson never had more TV viewers than FSU.

[@morganwartman8507]

Lol you’ll be glad to see us go because we will dog walk you bums for the foreseeable future 😂 have fun playing Miami, Virginia, and Georgia Tech and getting left out of the CFP because your already trash conference got worse

[@morganwartman8507]

“Take your crappy team with you” lmao someone is saltyyy FSU dog walked you bums in your stadium 😂😂😂

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@morganwartman8507not as bad as fsu just got DAWG walked!

[@morganwartman8507]

@@LilBoiPeep69 yeah our second and third stringers got dog walked by UGA’s starters in a meaningless exhibition game, congratulations, I guess

[@williamhill9432]

To all of those commentators and people who said: “FSU deserves the right to get in the final four”; I suggest you go back and watch GA’S blow out of FSU in the Orange Bowl today. No team or conference is entitled to anything or deserve something handed to them, you have to earn it. The ACC Championship game was a disgrace and FSU’s performance today against GA proves that they’re probably not even in the top 20.

[@bryanneal939]

They were never gonna beat Georgia but they had a shot at mich, Texas, and Washington. Not a FSU fan but they deserved a playoff shot

[@ronelite582]

@@bryanneal939 FSU at full strength wouldn’t have beaten Texas or Washington, maybe Michigan perhaps. They are a 2nd tier program, deep down a few of their fans are smart enough to accept this fact; therefore they’ll beg the big ten for membership, even accept a decade long paycut like Oregon and Washington have done.

[@connorgeoghagan4675]

You must not have watched FSU play without a single starting player they had throughout their 13-0 run this season. Not one of those players would have opted out if afforded the ooportunity to play for a ring. Not to mention, Texas lost to OU, what is their record again? What a braindead take.

[@bryanneal939]

@@ronelite582 I am a buckeye and stand by my comment. FSU might have lost to any of the 3, they might have beat 1. The playoff committee never gave them a shot

[@505premoto]

@@ronelite582 FSU a second tier program? Oh, really? What is FSU’s record over the past twenty years? Number of top 5 finishes, number of top 10 finishes? Weeks ranked in the top 10? Now do a comparison with all of the other teams in the SEC. Get back to us with your results. FSU would, at worst, be #3 in the SEC, which, apparently, according to you, are all second tier teams.

[@andrewwyatt1610]

Interesting time to post 😂

[@bobmiller9967]

I bet the commissioner who pushed that deal got a helluva kickback from ESPN !!! 😂😂😂

[@rpsboyz]

FSU plays in the ACC.. All Cupcake Conference. If they feel 'snubbed' from the CFP, they should have manned up and played angry against UGA and made a statement instead acting like sniveling crybabies and players opting out.

[@skipgumphrey9579]

Simple, to the point, and ACCURATE ! RTR

[@gregbutler1434]

The biggest winner from the Orange Bowl is TCU. They're no longer the worst defeat in bowl history.

[@CarlaJenkinsTV]

No. FSU does not have the $572 million that the FSU Board of Trustees calculated to leave the ACC. However as someone in the Big 10, I would like for the FSU fans to stop saying that they're coming to our conference to get our $60 million per school and a FOX cable deal. They come onto Big 10 channels and disrupting people's Christmases with this mess. The Big 10 has landed those 3 TV deals (NBC, FOX and CBS) without FSU. Give us a break.

[@Doc_Boots]

Meh Ohio State managed a measly 3 points against Missouri and Michigan is about to get massacred by Alabama. Penn State got beat up by Ole Miss. Maybe FSU does belong in the B1G hahah😅😅😅

[@yrualeg1]

Great insight Josh. Keep up the great work.

[@martinparmer]

Right, no one knows what it's going to look like for college football in two years. But, I know one thing. I noticed a massive increase in ads played during the games. Am I the only one? I'm not going to pay big $ for tv streaming next year and then see more ads than football every game. They have great highlight reels every Sunday on You tube.

[@ColeslawVariant]

Ohio State fans definately thanking FSU for taking eyes away from their miserable bowl game.

[@sullivanl3305]

🤣🤣💯💯

[@bryanneal939]

As a buckeye I feel bad, first game third string freshman QB and our MVP WR opted out for the draft

[@BSPotter]

very clever, FSU. but the ACC isn't going to kick you out just because of the worst loss in bowl game history.

[@joesmith6972]

I see what you did there.

[@RamblingRob-vi7ct]

If FSU does this Clemson, NC, Miami, Louisville, NC Sate , and Ga Tech as well few others will get out . .

[@michaelstallings5824]

and where do teams like louisville and georgia tech and n c state would go? they would have a better chance of making a 12 team playoff from the acc than finishing 5th 6th 0r 7th 9n the sec or big ten

[@christianbenton3319]

Appreciate the Ocala shout out Josh. Living in the backyard of that other Florida school

[@spacecoast4890]

Reliaquest was started by a FSU alum. “Tech company in Orlando”. Reliaquest is in Tampa.

[@joshuatayloe8616]

Not a contract lawyer nor a fan of any team in Florida, but I think FSU may have a case if the things regarding the media deal in their complaint are true. If the media payments are only guaranteed through 2027 I don't see how you can put a value on anything beyond that unless ESPN extends the media deal past 2027.

[@zakkreiser5727]

Josh Pate with the shoutout to middle of nowhere Ocala, FL 😂 love it

[@lorenzohaynes3886]

I pick at you for your game picks. But you're the most most rational on this story. That's what it's all about. FSU and Clemson are a couple of the better brands. It js nothing wrong with them wanting the same opportunity as their peers.

[@LilBoiPeep69]

fsu is a trash program

[@LilBoiPeep69]

clemson is solid though. fsu cant even score a td in their bowl game

[@jdhutch80]

The thing you left out is, yeah getting half as much as Alabama or Georgia is one thing, but getting half as much as Florida and less than UCF is what really pisses them off. Objectively, FSU is one of the few remaining brands that adds value to a conference, but do they add enough to justify the headaches it will cause. I don't see the SEC adding teams for another 10 years or so, as they digest Texas and Oklahoma. Who knows what's going on with the Big Eleventybillion now that they have the four biggest brands on the West Coast, but it seems like FSU did not pick a good time to try this. If they do get private equity to try to help them bolt, you really have to wonder what those strings will be. Unless they have a solid landing spot, what kind of ROI would that firm be getting? Is FSU a big enough brand on their own? I don't think so. Remember, they are two years removed from being too broke to fire Norvel after back to back losing seasons. That worked out for them, but that's the reality of their situation.

[@greatgondor]

Feel FSU has few strong points that will help reach a figure. If it goes all the way I suspect the original 2013 agreement will be enforcable but only to the original 2027 date, as the extension had no additional terms or "consideration" added of benifit to the teams

[@photo2george523]

Maryland got out of the ACC. Same situation. Took two years. Paid less than of 1/2 required amount to leave. FSU will be gone soon . ESPN has broke concealment & Antirust laws here.

[@charleswright2217]

After that game, they should worry about being demoted to the FCS.

[@benjaminsaturday8300]

I can't believe that the conference that has teams like Miami, Clemson, Florida St., GA Tech have turned into the joke that it is.

[@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982]

They can get out and resolve many other problems with a BIG-12 ACC creative merger which utilizes these strategies to appropriately direct revenues: Have three levels of 12 teams each (Oregon St and Wash St can join too) which are each divided into an East and West division. This eliminates most concerns about travel. Only five in-division games. The rest of the game slots can be used for traditional rivalries, cross-level match-ups or attractive non-conference games. The money for the latter should be determined by school, not conference. Let's say Fl St. has six non-conference games and they want to schedule Ohio St. and Alabama and teams like that. Those games will be huge matchups that could attract a lot of money and they should get that money, not the conference. If Baylor wants to play N. Mexico State and Purdue,. they get paid on that, which would be much less. That is just one way this set up could eliminate the conference pay gap for those schools that want to go that route. The other is that with three levels they will have three championship games to sell. One per 12 teams not one per 18 teams like the BIG-SEC. Further. you use relegation to keep the "A" level "A" level. Every season, the last place teams in the East and West divisions play the first place teams from the "B" level. The winner of those games goes to the "A" level next season. Same thing happens to B and C level. So even the bad teams would have a bowl-season game that would be more meaningful than most bowls. Lots more product to sell. I think you'd need a reasonable way to determine who starts at what level, but keep the TV money the same for the first three years at all levels until the cream can rise to the top should soften that blow. Also, would have to guarantee even the "C" level money is as good as present ACC deal through 2036. That should not be hard. After three years I can see the "A" Level teams making BIG-SEC type money if they schedule attractive non-conference match up. The A Level would have some really good teams in it, and the lower level teams would have something to shoot for.

[@rodgerbane3825]

The immediate future for FSU is a long stay in intensive care.

[@averagejoe9249]

After tonight, FSU begging to get into the sun belt

[@thetony5474]

I think the real power move from the Saudis would be a NFL team or even the whole thing. Not a backwater college conference or a program. I think that’s the problem with private…they will be aiming higher. They ain’t got the time or patience to work with college teams…much better just to buy the finished product.

[@demcanes01]

I’m a Miami guy and yes bla bla bla but today FSU straight quit on Mike norvel ! I thought they would fight more for Mike norvel bro

[@malcolmjones27]

They did fight! They just aren’t as good as people were trying to paint them as. Even if they’d had all of their starters in they still would have gotten smoked.

[@demcanes01]

@@malcolmjones27Naaaaaa

[@jayy-_-2262]

@@malcolmjones27Having veteran starters in is a massive difference than having freshman guys in

[@malcolmjones27]

@@jayy-_-2262 , try telling Kirby Smart and Georgia that. Apparently it didn’t bother them none. you do know that after the halftime they were beating Florida State so bad that they put their second and third stringers

[@demcanes01]

@@jayy-_-2262 it says a lot about a program when all your starters decide to quit on the team and not finish the season they started together . I give all the respect to Georgia for their players stepping up and actually playing

[@jackeason1537]

If the GA game was the FSU audition for joining the BigTen/SEC, it is not clear to me why FSU is so sure somebody will pick them up and pay them twice what the ACC is paying. Also this line is football-centric and ignores all the other sports which many universities and fans care about. If FSU wants out of their bargained-for and signed contract, as you say they can buy themselves out and go find the money. FSU football is unique and they should do what they have to do and good luck to them. Starting by suing your own conference is not the best karma.

[@nickflahive8903]

Georgia failed to score 60 points in a game for the entire 2022 and 2023 seasons, including against 2 FCS opponents. That is, with the exception of 2 games...

[@go.gators]

It's an unconscionable contract in this day and age. I believe they will get out of the contract for whatever reason, the courts and the lawyers will come up with something.

[@LilBoiPeep69]

who wants a fsu team that gets shit on by 60 ?

[@nickpatterson2479]

Where yall going big 12? Too stupid to play in the big 10 academic standard is too high for you dummies.

[@John_Hoover]

@@LilBoiPeep69Probably the same people that want other football powerhouses like 2-10 Vanderbilt, 4-8 Arkansas, and Miss State…

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@John_Hoover them teams grandfathered in…. fsu could have been Had it not been for their poor leadership in the 1990s

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@John_Hoover those teams are much better than Florida State at least to make twice as much money which makes them better. Florida State is a garbage program.

[@ifyouareboredtoday]

SEC came calling in the early 90’s, FSU decided to go to the ACC to be able to dominate. Doesn’t look too good right now.

[@caseymiller5257]

SEC cried and took the offer away when they looked at all of their options.

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@caseymiller5257good. sec is better without fsu. i mean 63-3? embarrassing

[@mikekellum6238]

Fast forward to this time next year. Twelve teams are in the playoffs. Are these players going to sit out the playoffs in order to prevent injury? Are these p,Ayers going to enter the trans portal and sit out the playoffs? Can’t wait to see.

[@chrisglazener3613]

Of course not. That's why it's so damning that they quit for this game. Winners don't do that. Winners keep going. FSU aren't winners regardless of what their record might be.

[@jtwithit5710]

They may be leaving the ACC, but someone forgot to tell them to leave Tallahassee for the Orange bowl! Wow

[@CoolHandLuke813]

63-3 😭😭😭

[@nothingman27511]

So should FSU go to the Frozen Rust Belt 20 Conference or the Corn & Cows 20 Conference, where the TV nut will be split between 20+ teams, OR stay with the ACC where the slightly smaller TV nut is split between 14 to 17 teams. We need a KZbin tutorial on how the process of division works.

[@FreeAmerican-mm2my]

FSU is BACK baby

[@John_Hoover]

I’d call it “enforceable” if it costs HALF A BILLION DOLLARS to get out…

[@user-tn7by5vh6s]

I pray that we go to the we need to be in

[@x12z12]

Someone could own a college football program? Yeah, what could go wrong with that????? My short list is at about 10,001

[@psychomd1939]

FSU doesn't need to leave the ACC. The ACC can drop cfb and switch to badminton.

[@claycarpenter8625]

With time, things change and it's not what you want anymore. Sure if you wanna go by the letter of the law then you have that right contractually but it's not good for anybody.

[@Herb___]

Little did we know that “finish for #13” was going to end up being this historic. 😂

[@LilBoiPeep69]

be lucky to finish the season #13

[@lorenzohaynes3886]

What does that have to do with FSU'S need to get out of the ACC?

[@LilBoiPeep69]

@@lorenzohaynes3886 fsu greedy! garbage program. poor leadership. 63-3 whooping in a top bowl vs #5 georgia. awful state of affairs for fsu

[@smokeypeyton]

FSU AND MIAMI WAS SCARED TO JOIN THE SEC IN 1992 ITS CAUSE THEY CANT HANG WITH THE BIG BOY FOOTBALL

[@demcanes01]

Miami was never scared of anybody and went and played everybody you goofy!! Take that non sense somewhere else. You know damn well what u said was bs!! Won 5 national championships in 18 years beating up on everybody

[@skipgumphrey9579]

To be fair, Miami had a decent reason to be scared of the SEC in 1992. I mean their Heisman winning QB is probably STILL having nightmares about how many times the Tide secondary picked him off lol 😂 RTR

[@demcanes01]

@@skipgumphrey9579 alright bro 😂😂 you got us that year

[@jameshartsfield6991]

Hell as a cane fan. I just threw another interception from that game.

[@powell4661]

FSU should concentrate on improving academics. That still matters to the conferences.

[@bobmiller9967]

They signed a 20 plus year contract with ESPN ?!? 😂😂😂

[@Christopherhunter66]

SMH. Yeah Florida ST got crushed first half 😂

[@skipgumphrey9579]

1st quarter even !

[@squiresam]

And if you don't think it doesn't happen already, go ask the founder of Yellawood how much influence he has over Auburn athletics.

[@mikethomas860]

FSU has some difficult challenges ahead of them. If they were able to get out their contract, what would be their landing spot? It seems FSU is betting on entry into the Big Ten.

[@WeSRT4]

The ACC is done... FSU needs to make the argument that they joined a regional conference. It's in the name... ATLANTIC COAST Conference. The conference was expanded to span the entire US which means frequent road trips out west. I feel this is a valid argument and one they can win.

[@tomdcsupercat8111]

It’s been belt 2 azz ever since the beginning, fsu didn’t belong in the playoff after all

[@jacobcurti2979]

Not a fan of either. Bit it was obvious that game was a 3rd string playing the first string period. That was not the same fsu team.

[@ThePoetNamedT]

A person with 2 eyes and a brain 🙏🏽

[@seanevans9329]

Mr. Pate dropping knowledge!!

[@themuckler8176]

Looks like they left college football and converted back to an all female school tonight

[@bobmiller9967]

Unless a judge lets them out of that contract they are done !!! 😂😂😂

[@aharris878]

You're right..just not in the near future

[@RoscoPColtrane17]

FSU has 3 rings, and has the best state in the country to recruit from. We aren’t worried.

[@murph1329]

63-3. Fsu is dead

[@RoscoPColtrane17]

@@murph1329 13-1 is far from dead. They played with 3rd string true freshmen. It’s sad that UGA was left out of the playoffs. They had a chance at history, but they blew it against Bama.

[@jeremyharrell3740]

And FSU blew their chance to prove they belonged​@@RoscoPColtrane17

[@buddyjenkins7188]

After the performance in the Orange Bowl who would want them.

[@user-tn7by5vh6s]

Big 10

[@Herb___]

Georgia boasts a plethora of talented players heading for the NFL, yet remarkably, none of their starters chose to opt out. Furthermore, FSU found themselves unable to contain Georgia's third-string players, revealing their true colors as pretenders. FSU's lack of a solid foundation and growth within their program is evident, making them nothing more than a temporary transfer portal team. Given these circumstances, it raises the question of why the Big10 or SEC would consider welcoming them into their ranks.

[@TheLAGopher]

FAU is still a brand that will draw big ratings playing other B1G brands.

[@TheLAGopher]

Sorry. FSU

[@markcardegniojr.9686]

Because of money. Duh. If you think the product on the field during a bowl game matters in the major conference and TV network board rooms, you’re an idiot.

[@observer466]

Totally wrong.. FSU was screwed by the playoff committee, so there were at least 20 opt outs. No one at FSU cared about this game. Watch the B1G take FSU in a heartbeat.

[@Braisedin]

​@@TheLAGophernot anymore. Not just this bowl game. How the whole school has acted after the playoff selection. Like a giant toddler who didn't get their way. Throwing around lawsuits and accusations, making a fool of themselves. Then add the cherry on top that is the orange bowl. No one wants to watch FSU anymore besides FSU fans.

[@user-ou5mb7us9s]

If georgia played there 3rd string the score would have reflected the same wake up!

[@skipgumphrey9579]

Georgia had some 5th and 6th string folks in there in case you’re not familiar with their roster… RTR

[@user-ou5mb7us9s]

@@skipgumphrey9579 how many players does georgia get on there roster to have 5th string and 6th string roster players lol damn you are probably a trump believer also slow down on the drink and look at roster numbers for college football teams

[@setalight7290]

​​@@user-ou5mb7us9sfbs football has an average of 118 players per program and 85 of those are on scholarship you may need to do some research 😂, also how did you make it political? Like since you go there im glad you like our president who blamed aids crisis on Elton john🤦🏾‍♂️

[@ArchieHerrington]

Maybe they think twice abought going to the sec because they would have had a bunch of loses this year if they did lets be real

[@tacticalmattfoley]

SEC isn’t taking any more teams.

[@user-yv9bm9dn1n]

What did the ACC do when Maryland left?

[@purethinking269]

FSU should meet with the best of the acc, Clemson, Louisville,etc and the sec because espn televises them all. And see if they can make a uniting deal with espn.

[@captainspartan04]

Sec doesn’t want Big ten in their recruiting grounds But Florida doesn’t want Florida st to join the sec