Josh Pate On Transfer Portal Bias AGAINST Deion & Colorado (Late Kick Cut)

[@mikemail3128]

He had 6 months to put a football team together and still beat schools that had years invested in building their program 😂😂😂SO the TRUTH is anybody he beat or got close to beating should be ashamed of themselves😂😂😂😂

[@Dupreehundo-rq3bq]

Excuses

[@billquantrill4960]

Fanboi alert. Wipe your chin, kid.

[@grondhero]

All new head coaches have the same time frame. Your 'new head coach' argument doesn't hold much water: TCU went 5-7, CU won by 3 (Year 2 head coach) Nebraska went 5-7, CU won by 22 (New head coach) Colorado State went 5-7, CU won in OT by 8 (Year 2 head coach) Arizona State went 3-9, CU won by 3 (New head coach) Deion brought a few people with him from Jackson State. He _chose_ the portal method. It's not like it even mattered; the kids, regardless if they'd been at CU or not, had to learn Deion's way. The biggest difference is that Deion bragged about going 15-0 year one.

[@dwizzle2132]

4-8

[@solacenmute4840]

​@grondhero so you're actively hating on a coach who did as much as year 2 coaches who didn't take over the worst program in college football in a non recruiting area and started right before the portal opened lol and you say Deion said he was going 15-0 you don't need lies and excuses to hate just be a proud hater that's always better

[@mannybsnss10]

Coach Prime started from zero with a 1 - 11 team that had to be removed. The portal was the only way or wait 5 years in recruiting

[@CalvinFrerichs]

And now he has to do the exact same thing with a 4 win team? And will do the exact same again next year no matter the number of wins this year ? 😂 Ok dude

[@CalvinFrerichs]

​@@greenwave819he has to use the portal because after one year the players that come in are like ya Fk this guy he only cares about himself not the players.

[@mannybsnss10]

@@greenwave819 You think Saban or Kirby Smart develop players? No. They are good CEOs of the program. The staff develops the players.

[@jerryrooster22]

Ole Miss and FSU didn't have rosters completely deprived of talent that went 1-11 the year before. Coach Prime is going to increase his high school recruits each year he's at CU.

[@TheDrRJP]

Colorado was devoid of elite talent but they were far from being "completely deprived of talent." A "lack of talent" wasn't the main reason they went from a proud program to a conference doormat. Don't forget that Deion also brought a lot of talent with him from JSU. However, the casual who wrote the tweet missed the differences between how Norvell and Kiffin used the portal versus Deion. Deion decided he was going to clean house before he did any assessments of what he had. The number of portal players he acquired reflect that mindset: 52 players in 2023 and 42 players in 2024. Norvell started during the height of the COVID pandemic and couldn't visit high schools in Florida and Georgia even if only to meet the coaches there, let alone their recruits. Norvell did an assessment of what he had and decided the only way to turn the program around and get it out of its slump was via the portal. Especially in recruiting linemen straight from high school who need from two to three years to develop into P4 caliber players. However, Norvell was more selective in who he took from the portal. Here are the numbers of portal players taken since 2020: 2020 10 2021 12 2022 14 2023 12 2024 17 ------------- Total = 65 With improvements on the field,. Norvell has been able to increase the number (and quality) of HS recruits in addition to portal players starting from 2021 to 2024 (2020 was Willie Taggart's class): 2021 17 2022 17 2023 19 2024 23 -------------- Total = 76 Norvell will continue to use the portal to compliment his recruiting classes but after going 13-0 in the regular season, the emphasis will be on long-term stability.

[@campbellcampbell9059]

Deion, hit the reset button. They took less portal players this year, they’ll take less portal players next year. 1-11 and losing by an average of 22 points when Deion took over. The comparison is Jed Fisch at Arizona, who went 1-11, 5-7, 10-2 after taking over a bad Wildcats teams. Deion, has outperformed him year 1 and based on Vegas odds he’s gonna outperform him year 2. So, how is this model not working. If Buffs win 7 or 8 games they’ll crush prep recruiting. Heavens the thought if they win 9 games what it would mean to high school recruiting. Alas, no matter what by midseason with the Buffs performing, Josh and the SEC homers will begin the dialogue of Deion going to a different program at season’s end.

[@Drew-oj1qd]

Less portal players uhhhh beg to differ this year 42 incoming is still a astronomically large amount and the most in College Football. CU could crush high school recruiting yes, but they resist... currently have 6 recruits in for the 2025 class and ignore the hot bed high school areas ie..California, Texas and Florida. The theme or mantra that if they win 7/8 games this year players will flock to CU is kinda a absurd statement...I dont see high school players flocking to CU after all the high ratings on tv games or the many social media channels after last year which is kinda alarming. No need to compare to a coach that rebuilt Arizona in 3 years completely not needed. If your going to compare to the former Arizona coach now at Washington, he and his staff have the #18 recruiting class in the entire country and have 7 four-star players. Completely different than CU, build and sustain for the future rather than short term. This model for CU is not sustainable because each year you have to re-up in the portal heavy and eventually high school kids will say why would I go there if you your just going to bring in a 5th year senior to start ahead of me after I just had a great freshmen/sophomore season. CU currently is upperclassmen heavy... could that work time will tell.

[@campbellcampbell9059]

@@Drew-oj1qd your kidding right. So, the Buffs have the 4th highest regular season tv viewership (with a 4-8 record) and a large following on social media… means you “don’t” see this as a draw to high school players? Wow. Okay, pretty sure nobody agrees with you there. Secondly, yes, I do see the Buffs recruiting more high school players next year.. especially, if they field a 7 or 8 win season. It mean they have a base, and can start developing high school players as they already have established team. They had to start from practically zero player and rebuild a roster. If they win 7 or 8 games… they don’t need to recruit as many players for the portal. Deion isn’t going to have a problem recruiting high school players.. he just needed to have a base. And, yes.. comparing coaches rebuild is totally applicable. Fisch went a more traditional route and we can see results (which were impressive) and we can see Deion’s approach and it’s indisputable that his strategy outperformed Fisch’s in year one. Let’s see how year 2 goes, but for me, I suspect Prime outperforms in year 2. So, no. I don’t think your points or thought process have merit.

[@Drew-oj1qd]

@@campbellcampbell9059 Time will tell...I can't argue the viewership ratings etc from all the bandwagon fans, and others across the country is wild! Still very baffled why CU has 6 prep high school recruits in late July, are they going to go portal heavy again for this 2025 class? Why not start recruiting high school players with this class and build a base for the future and have 20 plus in the middle of the summer? If CU is a big draw from last year, why don't they have prep players lining up... Most notable prep players commit before their senior season starts in August. Its all relative for CU right now kind of a wait and see process to be honest.

[@campbellcampbell9059]

@@Drew-oj1qd I think we live in a new reality. Nobody’s commitment is set in stone till signing day in December. I don’t think commitments matter anymore. Think half way through the college season, late October everyone has a better sense on status of a team. If CU wins 7 or 8, which seems within reason, I suspect Prime will feel comfortable developing more prep players and taking 20 something players from the portal. But college ball has changed

[@rayshunterrell1417]

To use the phrase “been doing” on a first year program is wild. As if there’s a large enough sample size to ascertain what he’s trying to do… But then… he tells you EXACTLY how he aimed to build the program and attract talent positions first to build the team from the outside in. He did that. Y’all ignored that. He then said he would revamp the O and D lines. He did that. Then he said he aimed to bring in freshman to a productive culture and lockeroom. Freshman have been interested more this year than any other year. I don’t see how you can know and see his every move yet be dumb to what you are seeing. It’s crazy. He already has a pipeline to IMG Academy and with the status over CSU wins instate/local recruiting. Idk how you would start a program. But I bet it wouldn’t be with bringing 4&5 star talent in to play with the 1-11 roster that was inherited.

[@UncleKai263]

Most of these commenters haven't paid attention. They just parrot what they hear.. Or they're willfully ignoring the facts... We'll see what happens this season...

[@melissawilliams6324]

Haters a program is a program. Y’all just hate Coach Prime but yet you use Colorado to get views💯

[@joesmith6972]

Why do you obviously hate the English language?

[@Drew-oj1qd]

lol 😂 the views yeah that’s a dumb argument

[@ericjwormely8410]

Not one of those teams you are comparing Colorado to had a 1-9 record either.

[@mathenoHowellBey]

Right!

[@heartbreak25]

Except one season, Colorado has averaged 4 wins a year since 2007. Stop bringing up that 1 win season. He literally finished with the same record that CU has finished with for nearly the last 20 years.

[@descepticon9213]

@@heartbreak25 They are using the 1 win to show you the level of talent he had to replace/start with. For the life of me I can't understand why people don't get it but then again playing dumb has worked for the media why not everyone else.

[@heartbreak25]

@@descepticon9213 That same level of talent won 4 games in 2021 and 2020. It won 5 games in 2019, 2018, and 2017. Ever taken a stats class? Ever heard of a outlier? 2022 was the outlier just like 2016 when they won 10 games was the outlier. Stop trying to sell mediocrity like it's success. The non-casual fans know the real deal.

[@brianwilkinson356]

None of that prevented him from recruiting more HS talent. He didn't recruit them because he knows that they can't develop them from nothing. He's getting kids with a baseline of instruction in hopes of it hitting. Well, it hasn't and it won't 💯

[@mathenoHowellBey]

This is comparing apples to oranges. Those mentioned programs weren’t starting at ground zero. Deion took the worst team at the end of the cycle. He had no choice but to build through the portal. You can’t attract premium highschool players unless you are winning. You don’t have time to develop 2-3 star highschool kids and keep your job. This is a now era and you have to win now. Deion just set the standard and blueprint on building a program from scratch in this new era

[@dellydale7570]

There is a bias nice try trying to clean it up just cause one school took more than the other school Lol

[@PolkCountyNole]

Thank you Josh for saying this. The fsu slander is wild

[@Dupreehundo-rq3bq]

Fsu does not use the portal like colorado

[@dreeco1762]

Ole Miss does tho

[@1337slic3]

I think people are just inclined to be overly-critical of Colorado because most sports media won't shut up about a team that went 4-8. I think Deion is doing fine and 4-8 is significantly better than 1-11, but 50% of media coverage about any one specific team right now is about a team that really just isn't relevant when it comes to the on-field product.

[@kaiescowrldwide8605]

Well Deion and Colorado can’t do that? Out the gate! Bro they gotta win and this is the way they have to do this to get better. Bc Colorado isn’t a high value or has the alumni deep pockets as Florida state or ole miss.

[@Gomodeathletics]

I think people talk about them because whether you’re speaking good or bad, they are a popular team that will generate you clicks, which will eventually turn it into dollars for the lover or hater

[@sudberd36]

great break down Josh, man you keep 100 every time no click bate no look at me just a muscle shirt 🙂and straight up facts!!!

[@jayboogie4249]

Colorado lost 6 games buy12 points with 5 buy one touchdown or less in one of the hardest conferences in CFB after going 1-11. There biggest issues were in the trenches and at running back, they now have a 4 good running backs, a revamped offense and defensive line with major additions at cornerback and wide receiver. I'm not saying they are going to win the college football championship but to just disregard the current team construction is criminal.

[@Grams7914]

Gotta laugh cuz every media critic & online nay-sayer starts their remarks with the same “my higher-standards and my nobler-intentions” phraseology: “I love Deion, BUT…”

[@henrysiffrat9399]

Oh my God one fucking year going on the second year you guys need to relax God damn You're judging a man like he's been there for 10 years

[@sushinfudoshin8991]

The program narrative is utter out-of-touch-nonsense. CFB is a business. You are expected to deliver results in revenue increase, college success and NFL transfer ratio, just to name few KPI's.

[@chriswilliams6896]

The best teams are still developing players out of high school, but Coach Prime is trying to win fast, so he thinks getting players out of the portal who are already adjusted to college athletics will work, but it’s not going well for him. You have to develop players, and your team has to be a team. What Deion has is a bunch of individuals who are out for their own best interests.

[@jackshaftoe1715]

Only Dabo.

[@Drew-oj1qd]

Exactly! Look at the National Championship runner up Washington, they had 46 players on the roster at the end of January. Jedd Fisch brought in 28 transfers and currently has the number 18 ranked prep recruiting class with 24 commitments. Build and sustain for the future aka develop.

[@davidgibson8484]

Ole Miss is projected to start 9 or 10 players on offense and 10 or 11 players on defense who were brought in through the portal over the last 3 years. Plus, their kicker is a portal player. The difference is they are bringing in higher rated players, as well as having around 25 5th and 6th year seniors.

[@glennhayes9376]

No hate here, just a comment...Deion will never see the light, because he's too busy looking in the mirror....

[@GoatedAtNFS]

you have to have a perfect balance between retention and development and using the portal for your NEEDS, not because you kicked out someone you don’t think is good and want someone else. portal reliant teams never work unless you pull a Lincoln Riley and leave a college, kick everyone out of the new one and bring everyone over. Ole Miss HAD to use the portal because star players like Quinshon Judkins said “i’m out!” and they had to refill the position. Florida State had to because they’re still able to win the top heavy ACC. they lost all their seniors and super seniors, the QB they had before DJ was garbage, their OL needed to be refilled, defensive positions as well. I don’t necessarily hate what Colorado did year 1 but the next year they should’ve just retained everyone except for the guys who thought Colorado was just for show

[@Drew-oj1qd]

Exactly well said! The thing that's very alarming is that CU has 6 prep recruits committed for 2025 and dead last for the BIG 12. Less and less continuity for CU if you don't develop and use the portal less each year and continually keep players in the program.

[@DQ_ThaBiggest]

Building a team with established experienced guys is not as smart as paying 20 17 and 18 year olds to come and play that steal cause it's funny? Ok

[@brianwilkinson356]

Apples to oranges, William from Sumnter...😂

[@drewlindfield2528]

It’s because Colorado doesn’t do that great in high school recruiting. Prime should take in home visits.

[@descepticon9213]

5 and 4 stars have come to the program that has been known to be a losing one, this is from the end of a recruiting cycle his first year, and an on going on right now. You guys are wild with these narratives.

[@DQ_ThaBiggest]

2:12 Josh that is who he is.. tf are you talking about?

[@kendalllodman]

Florida State doesn’t use the portal to the same extreme as Colorado.

[@SoulAmbassador]

The difference is that all of those teams are blue chips and all Of those coaches already had a foundation when they got there. To build a program CP would have to not win for 3-4 years until His recruits matured @latekickwithjoshpate

[@JoshPateCFB]

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[@robertoatis3952]

The difference is ole miss and Florida state didn't go 1-8 the year before

[@TheRealJackMcCoy]

Bet also, fsu and ole miss take better transfer players lol. Keon Coleman, Jared verse, fiske. No comparison with Colorado

[@mr.valentine8399]

Deion brought this on himself.. Gucci and Lui bags comment says everything you need to know…

[@robertoatis3952]

Deion good. He knew he wasn't gonna have a dominant team in his first year. This year is gonna be much different

[@mr.valentine8399]

@@robertoatis3952 I wish him the best! But, you can’t be the cockiest person and then cry when the critics get on you!

[@Ross601MS]

Yal remember when coach said he “BROUGHT HIS LOUIE” …remember CU started 3-0…. Shyt went down hill and the excuses and blame gang started.

[@Drew-oj1qd]

haha yep

[@loucasmiller3825]

Look Deions strategy is wrong. You say he has to win quickly but he hasn't. He probably woud've had the same record had he just kept the 2022 Colorado team. Y'all keep saying its because they went 1-11 in 2022. Ok they went 4-8. And 3 of the 4 games were one score wins so it coud've easily been 1-11 again. Winning big doesn't happen immediately. It takes hs players and multi-year development. Instead of taking hs players who he coudve coached and developed for multiple years he took transfers who stay for 1-2 years and then leave. The only reason you do that is if you don't plan on staying long term. I think he'll take an analyst job at whatever place his kids go in the nfl next year. Also I think he's a good guy and a good coach, I just think his strategy's wrong for creating a long term winning program. Now if he's planning on leaving after 2 years then what he's doing makes sense.

[@Drew-oj1qd]

Many within the circles of CU football fandom believe he is gone after this year and Shurmur is the coach in waiting, especially if they dont win 8+ games and whiff on Julian Lewis. They did win 4 games yet a few of those wins could have easily been loses and flipped too, aka CSU or ASU.

[@bladegerm]

@loucasmiller3825 dude just wait till the end off this season.... he would have atleast gotten to a bowl but the powers that be were not gonna allow it. Sleeper agents did their jobs well (CSU, Sean Lewis and the refs)

[@bladegerm]

@Drew-oj1qd what circles is that.... who are they?

[@Drew-oj1qd]

@@bladegerm The sleeper agents... really? Thats a bunch of bs if I ever heard some. They had a team full of portal misfits or last chance U and it showed. Lewis is a very good coach and Shedeur had conflict with him so Deion told him to hit the road. The refs didn't conspire against CU, if you blame a loss on the refs you didn't play good enough plain and simple. I will watch the games as I live in Colorado just outside of Boulder and see how they do. CU still has a long way to go on prep recruiting, but they resist on actually bringing in players rather than using the portal.

[@Drew-oj1qd]

@@bladegerm Essentially the die-hard long time CU fans, who really lost interest after the team lost 6 straight and Deion was still talking and making empty promises. The whole we coming mantra or I aint hard to find... as they say talk is cheap, let the results on the field do the talking. If the team wins 6 games this year and goes to a lower tier bowl, with Shedeur and Hunter its a massive failure. If they win 8+ great progress has been made with a few star players. But like anything time will tell!

[@Hoochie243]

Great Answer to a Stupid question

[@WeLuvSlimm]

Slow news day lol

[@Herb..StateOfGeorgiaOwnsFSU]

Word is DJU went 7-17 with 0 TDs and 2 picks in his first practice at fsu. That D better be as elite as them Mobile Home Mavens say it is. 😂

[@PolkCountyNole]

And cam ward fumbled 6 times lol joke

[@Herb..StateOfGeorgiaOwnsFSU]

@@PolkCountyNole That’s a flat out lie. 😂 but wait,it gets better, Norvell had DJU on hold, listening to elevator music for an entire month hoping he could land Ward. 💀

[@Dupreehundo-rq3bq]

Oh wow the lies guess u know things fsu fans dont nobody said that anywhere ​@Herb___

[@MontanaNole]

🤐 we’ll see

[@billquantrill4960]

The Neon's are a pack of grifters. This charade will soon be over.

[@user-lg1vl1cm5r]

Because CU has a Confident outspoken Black Coach!!!! MAN, This is still America a RACIST country that would have us chains if they thought they could!!!!!!

[@jackshaftoe1715]

CLICKS CLICKS CLICKS Deion ! 🦆

[@OhNuzzy]

Meow

[@JB-tl8rj]

The other thing about Deion and his High School recruiting is he always goes for the big name and "best recruits". His HS school classes are always small because he goes after a bunch of 4 and 5 star prospects and he doesn't always get those guys. I personally believe he's getting better at recruiting but he doesn't go after players he doesn't think can help him win right away and doesn't really care too much about building depth, which is the main problem with his teambuilding philosophy.

[@bladegerm]

wrong

[@Drew-oj1qd]

Fair analysis

[@Marktastik86]

FSU don't belong in the CFP with that cupcake schedule. Alabama plays a SEC schedule that's why we was in the CFP last year and not FSU. We would of won the national championship but Michigan cheated.

[@scottcole188]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.... yeah I can see that Alabama education coming through in your grammar😂

[@scottcole188]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡

[@EdD-it1zs]

Alabama went 9-0 in the SEC and lost to the Big 12 champ and the Big 10 champ. That makes your conference third rate at best and the PAC was a better conference than you and the ACC went 6-4 against your conference. Alabama played 5 SEC teams that had a combined 34 losses. They also played Middle Tennessee, Chattanooga, and USF(USF got blown out by 4 group of 5 teams). Of your 8 regular season SEC games, only two teams you played were above .500 in conference play. You were never close to winning a natty and you and Texas got into the playoffs because of ESPN bias.

[@ebowden1168]

@@EdD-it1zscooked his ass goddamn

[@bladegerm]

so what's the fix?

[@VillageIdiott]

Saturday , July 27 , no bomb shell

[@ariankarimi952]

CU can win