this makes no sense

[@briansilva3765]

Josh's patreon has a very good incentive, to see how smaller he can make the names and how bigger the list can get at the end of his videos.

[@tbone9474]

Is there a small enough police size to make them visible on a decent sized monitor? We'll find out

[@StratoJunon]

Can confirm, its getting harder and harder to find my name in the list. and i love it

[@bunnylovingbastard]

Honestly, I am tempted to become a patron when my finances sort themselves out just to be part of the problem 🤣 Best incentive ever

[@KalebsRevenge]

this is why i kinda wish i could afford to. josh has best patreon XD

[@ArDeeMee]

A worthy cause.

[@0cellusDS]

Astrology fan: "I wonder which planet is making me sad." Me: "Earth!"

[@Endelin]

Time to start a "Worst Mobile Games Ever" series, sponsored by the game in question 😂

[@yaminarthem1977]

I remember that the Albion video was sponsored by Albion. It could be cool to see how much damage Josh can do to the games and how many try to sponsor a video before no Mobil game companies send emails

[@gavinmorton7682]

@@yaminarthem1977 Was about to mention that exactly xD

[@thomsen256]

I think Patreon members want to support you and your current content but I think most of them would be happy for you to produce whatever high quality content feels right. You're the star.

[@DannehBoi90]

I'm not a Patreon of Josh, but I am one of two other creators. If either of them decided to make a donation to something related to the field they have most interest in because they want to support some fun, I'd be 100% behind it. There also is always the option of adding a Donation link somewhere, like in a Twitch command or in a video's description, that's all for raising funds for something you believe in.

[@holyknightthatpwns]

I feel like Patreon has an implicit agreement that you'll continue to make the things to the quality that you have been and fulfill any tier rewards, but that's it. People can stop supporting you if they have an issue with what you're doing, but they don't own you and they don't own the money after they've given it to you

[@Dyanosis]

While it's true that you never truly "own" anyone by giving them money, you do own a share of the service that they provide and should have a say, and be heard, about the service you're paying for. Like buying stock in a company. Or paying for your electricity bill. Your statement is slightly confusing. Here's an example about what confuses me: You pay for electricity. The understanding between you and your provider is that you pay money, they provide electricity to your home. You think that means all the time. They think that means whenever it's convenient for them. So they only give you electricity for 6 hours a day. Not always in contiguous chunks. And some days you have no electricity. Is that what you paid for? Is that the service you want? If you stop paying, you won't have any electricity at all. But if you complain to them, according to your ideology, they don't have to do a damn think about it because they're already "fulfilling their part of the deal".

[@holyknightthatpwns]

@@Dyanosis when you pay for electricity, you are purchasing a service. When you support an artist on patreon, you are only purchasing a service if that is explicitly part of the agreement. That service might be exlusive videos, that service might be getting a shout out, or who knows what else. In this channel's case, there are no patreon rewards - you are explicitly not purchasing a thing when you support Josh on Patreon. There is no formal agreement, there is no guarantee - there is only the expectation that he continues to make quality content, and the understanding that if he doesn't you'll probably stop supporting him. You're confused because you don't understand the difference between purchasing and supporting. Regarding stocks (which are irrelevant, because that's not what he's selling) - you do own a portion of the company, but you do not get to tell the company how to operate unless you own a substantial portion of it - a larger percent than most patreon subscribers actually provide.

[@GreenLarsen]

@@Dyanosis Not sure how it is in the UK (or wherever you live), but generally you pay for the electricity you have used, not what you will use in the future (at least where I live). In the same way I look at Patreon, I pay for the content that I have already consumed and enjoyed. I might hope that you will continue providing similar content, but if not, then I will not pay again next time. In this way, it is different from a physical product, and this make sense. Since a physical product that do not live up to my expectations, I can return. I can hardly "un-see" a vid. So here it makes more sense to get the "product" first and then pay. But that's just me

[@zeejustin6]

@@holyknightthatpwns The notion that patreons somehow own or should influence Josh's future content or something like a stakeholder is absurd if that's what is being argued in any way.

[@chidori0117]

@@Dyanosis The difference here is that if you dont pay for electricity you dont get it. If you support on Patreon you are not paying for a service you are donating. You can get access to the same content if you dont pay. People dont just owe you just because you decided to give them money out of your own decision. (Patreon support exclusives are an execption to this since you are paying for those but this is the only thing you are paying for not the content itself. But for those it is clearly stated what you will recieve and if you dont you should withdraw your support). Patreon support is not a purchase of service. You are also not a stakeholder you have no financial risk in the operation of the channel and you can withdraw your support at any time therefore you do not have any control about it.

[@MrGelowe]

Some people get pleasure from the act of helping another. So technically speaking they are being selfish. But main question is whether being selfish a bad thing and whether all selfishness is the same. And the answer is probably no to both questions. For example if I want to be selfish by wanting to breath fresh and clean air, nothing wrong with that kind of selfishness. Alternatively you can be selfish by only having clean air for yourself while ruining it for others, that type of selfishness is bad.

[@x3TripleAce3x]

Giving help and receiving recognition makes it a transaction, so it's not altruistic. Doesn't make it bad just makes it different.

[@Creepernom]

​​@@x3TripleAce3xthat's just a silly definition of altruism. If I help out a charity with my labour and they thank me for it, is it not altruistic behaviour because I wasn't completely anonymous, and thus recieved "recognition" for my help? If it's completely unattainable, then it's also a completely useless definition.

[@ahouyearno]

Something can be two things at the same time. In this case it would be both altruistic and selfish and that’s fine

[@christaylor7079]

Wake up babe, a new Strife Hayes video just dropped

[@zerooskil7161]

Comment for me im literally waking up 🤣

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

Yes dear....

[@Torguish]

Honey i know, already on my 2nd monitor.

[@remondx8880]

Hunk Strife Hayes

[@Mlyodas]

Ironically, this was the best advertisement to his patreon.

[@Xanthelei]

11:12 "People are paying for you not to take a certain action" - Viza, explaining how Josh's Patreon is actually a protection racket

[@Alresu]

A nice little phone game ad free channel you have there. Would be a shame if someone had to... sponsor it...

[@pikmints]

"Maybe i have an old school way of looking at things" Yeah, it does seem like relying on merit and integrity to succeed is becoming less common. Both in terms of companies' priorities as well as consumers'.

[@Hotshot2k4]

Gotta disagree on the note of consumers. Consumers are becoming more and more jaded and distrustful - or at least I am, and it's what I observe around me, but I guess I can't speak for everyone. At this point it is only unpaid word of mouth that I trust when it comes to buying anything over $100 or so, or youtubers whom I've watched for a long time and who have demonstrated integrity. Like I'd have no reservations about buying LTT products if I made more money, because I know even if something goes wrong, that they'll make it right. My opinion of companies or products literally lowers when I see their advertisements, and are only raised up when I hear someone speak positively of them without being paid to do so. Similarly, the kind of sponsorships I see youtubers hawk has a big impact on how much I'd trust the things they say outside of those sponsorships. Integrity matters to me, because the only vote I have when it comes to the consumer world around me is the vote of my wallet. And while mine is just is a drop in the ocean, oceans are made up of drops, so we can influence the business practices that succeed by choosing which ones we financially support.

[@cookies23z]

@@Hotshot2k4 while I think a decent amount of people are like this, to at least some degree... I also think there are a LOT of people tired, who cant/dont give a shit anymore after how much work was a pain in the ass, and how much X Y Z stressed them out, and they just want to pay 20 dollars to feel ok for a bit, even if it is manipulative bullshit At least my take on it, not everyone is savvy, some dont care, some cant manage to care, some do

[@heavenly2k]

I don't know man. I think this is a bit reductive.

[@angusmcmillain]

That's what people have been saying recently. And throughout all time. I think it's more that they ways people get scammed change, not increase.

[@CoolMagmar]

Sadly this don't mean your company will grow or even survive, like one of the best oil paints company in my country closed up because they thought that these two things are enough so they never gave money on marketing or used influencers, so people only knew they were good by word of mouth but oil painting being niche and most people that do being recluses you can bet how this worked out in end...

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

Kindness is a gift to the giver. But it is also a gift to yourself. It’s the basis of civilization. This video is the kind of video I subscribed for. I’m not an MMO player. But I enjoy the thoughtfulness and kindness of JSH. A balm.

[@Joe-it2dh]

As long as the content is NOT interrupted, the service people are paying you for, then do whatever you want with your money, its your money that you earned by way of your content. Your boss shouldnt complain about what you do on the weekend, as long as it doesnt impact your job. I highly recommend the Asmon route of investing it until you have enough that you can fund everything you want without it impacting your security.

[@Mediados]

Ultimately there is not much wrong with wanting to be recognized after doing something good. You shouldn't be angry or insulted if you don't, but it is still a good thing. If 10 rich egoists would help people for the glory, the world would already be better.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Not true at all, because they start making problems eventually to be fixed. In fact there was an issue where companies polluted more by polluting less. Companies are often responsible for 70% or more of pollution be it waste or other things. They will often reduce one aspect by 20% but raise something else by that 20%. So if you have 70-20+20 you end up with 70. They get praised for doing well only to turn out they are in reality being praised for lying.

[@MinosML]

​​@@Buglin_Burger7878you're confusing only wanting to appear as altruistic in the public eye vs feeling good with yourself because you're actually doing a good deed Those are very different things

[@Bankosek]

a clip channel that makes ~30 minute clips, this could only be Josh

[@Marwolaeth01]

I once read a book regarding altruism and whether it exists, as even if you get just a tiny feeling of satisfaction for doing a good deed, then who is to say whether that was the pay off? This is why whenever I donate on a friends charity raising event I always try my best to do it incognito. I try to minimize the benefit to myself as much as possible. I do it to help them reach their target, not to show off "how generous I am". I have even stopped myself from donating as much as I wanted to when I realized there was no way to hide the donation from the person who set it up. Philosophy is cruel.

[@1ManRandom]

At the same time, is preventing yourself from doing a good deed in a desire to mitigate the benefits you receive from the act truly any better than simply performing the act and receiving the benefits? I would argue that it is not. In fact, it could even be argued that it’s worse. If the intention was to be helpful, and the cause is good, then the benefit conferred is the same regardless of whether or not you also get some selfish pride out of the act. Meanwhile, by reducing the size of the charity to avoid incurring a benefit yourself, you still get that sense that you’ve done a good deed and the added sense that you’ve maximized the altruistic nature of the act, but you’ve reduced the size of the benefit that the party in need would have otherwise received. So, in sum, you’ve reduced the benefit incurred by others to maximize the karmic benefit received by yourself. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying you’re acting selfishly, nor that there’s anything wrong with wanting to donate without showing off, but you shouldn’t stop yourself from giving as much as you want to give simply to maximize your altruism. You shouldn’t simply act to show off your generosity, either, but at the end of the day, the benefit given doesn’t become less beneficial simply because you also got a little something out of it. Honestly, it sometimes feels like the people who most strongly push the idea that “altruism is selfish and thus doesn’t actually exist,” are just trying to justify their reluctance to give as generously as they think that they should be giving.

[@Marwolaeth01]

@@1ManRandom for the system as a whole, it is better to give regardless of benefit to oneself. You are correct. I had to go back and read what I’d originally said as it’s been awhile, and I find my words misleading. I still think there is an argument against true altruism, but you’re right to say this shouldn’t stop people from giving what they can as ultimately does the beneficiary care about your motives, so long as they are benign? The bit I need to clarify is about not giving as much if incognito is not an option. What I said is only part of the story, say 30%. The major reason is embarrassment. I would not like to draw attention to myself. Yes I don’t want thanks and recognition for just donating money, but an even bigger reason is probably that I don’t want to draw attention to myself or be seen as trying to show off. This is my shell, and I like it in here thank you very much. 😉

[@Frink77]

That charity stream would be so cool, giving back to your community and helping kids put on the best show possible is more valuable than anyone could imagine, I think. Great content Josh

[@chaosgyro]

Once something is given it is given. People have no further claim on what you do with that money after they have willingly decided it is yours.

[@sephestra.]

Came here to say this as well. It's the same with gifts.

[@geofff.3343]

Not in a patron relationship. If someone commissions you to make a painting you can't donate the money to a church for orphans it has to go to making that painting. What you can do is take it out of the money you allot for yourself and give a portion of that.

[@chaosgyro]

@@geofff.3343 Just because the service is called "patreon" doesn't mean these folks are patrons. They haven't specifically commissioned him to do any particular job. This is a donation support network not a work contract.

[@Sniperbear13]

just to be clear, there are exceptions; mainly in a Business contract sense where you say you will do X. but in the sense of what josh is talking about; yes, he has no obligation to spend the money on anything in particular.

[@sutirk]

Yeah, it's Josh's money If he stops making videos or decides to completely change his content and stark making prank videos, a big chunk of his audience will probably decide to stop giving him money It's a system that works for both sides, josh won't tell us which monitor we should watch his videos, and we won't tell him what to do with the money

[@NevisYsbryd]

Taking the sponsorship would not be stupid. It would make your business model gradually become beholden to the sponsors, at which point your control and thus mission are compromised. It is the same trap of taking a company public; as soon as it does, it has sold its integrity and objective to the highest bidder. As it currently stands, your business is between you and your audience. Insofar as you care about that or your non-financial goals in this business, taking sponsorships is a Faustian bargain.

[@boomknight1015]

Anything can be framed as selfish. You only care about friends because of the benifits they give you. You only help people expecting it to be paid back in some form. Say a good after life. Regardless of the reason, a good thing is always a good thing, so long the person isn't doing it with the intent to harm others in an under handed way.

[@boomknight1015]

Personally, when you pay for something and it goes to something the buyer doesn't agree with vs denoting is vary vary different. I'd say 80% of donated money should go right into living expenses or into making better content/making content." the other 20% can be what ever the person wants even if no one agrees. I feel like it's fair for the most amount of people because most of the money went to what they wanted it to go to.

[@Pointy_Bird]

Thanks for the youtuber advice! It's exactly what I need. "Fail fast, fail hard, fail often"... This applies to everything else in life, too, I find. I feel justified in my approach, and the advice you went more in-depth with will definitely help c:

[@jeloxale]

Imagine if all companies were as real as Josh is. Customers would be able to tell quality products more easily, which would mean only the ones who actually believe in their product would survive.Josh is truly one of the spokesmen of time.

[@UriGerhard]

Unfortunately, being real is the opposite of profitable

[@pyramear5414]

Being real is not the opposite of profitable, it just isn't the *most* profitable. Some people are too greedy to life a comfortable and honest life, they demand exorbitant levels of wealth.

[@swordzanderson5352]

@@pyramear5414 It is, it just isn't short-term. But if people continue to chase fashion and trends, brands that are hollow and scammy continue prospering. Which companies? *_I_* wouldn't know. :)

[@TheRothphoto]

Feel like people that don’t work for themselves might struggle with this way of thinking but you’re 100% right in your process.

[@Awlerr]

Daily dose of Josh ✅

[@iamcerealman102]

Saint Joshua of Runescape 🙏

[@handlesmademeloseauniqename]

Astrology vs astronomy. I let out a verbal YESSSS! when you were on about this. I've made this same observation to my friends before. You're awesome man!

[@the_markoman]

Josh getting into a moral wrestling match with his own thoughts, while chat are the orphans who don't care as long as they get what they already get xD

[@ytmandrake]

One does not owe anyone anything, if they GAVE you their money, that money is now yours to do with it as you see fit. The discussion here is about the gift receivers "integrity" and "reputation". If their reputation is tarnished in a way that they don't do with their gift what is expect of them, they will no longer continue to receive gifts. When you stand for a cause, people are willing to "vote with their wallets" to support you to stand for that cause, which you ultimately and seemingly share.

[@SirPhysics]

I want to point out that there is another structural reason companies don't slowly build support by making good products: shareholders are only interested in maximizing short-term profits. If a CEO has to decide "well, I could fill this game with microtransactions that nobody actually wants and make us an extra half a billion dollars this quarter, or I could not do that to build goodwill with the customers" they would be removed from their position if they didn't prioritize immediate returns. Even if it will result in less profit over the long term, shareholders don't care. They aren't going to be there long term. They'll sell their investments and move to another company the minute your growth slows down, let alone stops. It's not just that's easier (though it definitely is). That kind of behavior is incentivized by how these companies are set up and managed.

[@zema9401]

In the jewish tale the man wanted to donate money to feel better about himself. This is not selfishness. As far as we know he gets nothing out of it. The motivation came from within himself. There was no reward waiting for him. If he would do it so the public would see him as a good person, then it is selfish and not altruistic. He did it for an outside reward, like some influencer do today. Without this outside reward there wouldnt be the good deed. That doesnt necessarily mean the homeless person wouldnt accept the food, clothing etc, but you cant call yourself altruistic if you try to get other peoples approval.

[@martinez206045]

5:00 I do believe we have a term for that already - selling out :)))

[@Draygarth]

Modern game makers open a sandwich shop: I made you this sandwich. Now, I know what you're going to say, "That's not a sandwich. It's just 2 pieces of bread." Well it's not our fault, this is just how sandwiches are made these days. For an extra dollar I can give you a piece of lettuce. For an extra $3 I'll sprinkle some cheese. For $20 I'll toss a slice of ham.🤣

[@marshallmarcano6275]

I love what you do and doing this for you and the fans. You are a true GOAT!!!

[@Vorzac]

This is possibly my favorite video I've ever seen on KZbin. Enlightening, thought-provoking and inspirational. Wonderful stuff! thanks for all the Insight, Josh!

[@JoshStrifeSays]

Glad it was enjoyable, I tried to edit it so it more larger range compared to usually really focused edited clips on the channel where I cut out a lot of the thoughts that deviate from the original topic the video is titled about. I'll include more of these conversation-like videos on the channel in the future! -Visa, editor.

[@skorpiongod]

​@@JoshStrifeSaysplease do

[@BuzzaB77]

"trust is the only long term currency" - Seth Godin

[@TheRandomYoYo]

I stand on the opposite side. Can a person truly ever be altruistic? You can boil it down to such small things. When you help something that is suffering, do you do it from altruism? Or do you do it because that thing's suffering is causing you discomfort? Even if you do help a party purely because you believe it is right, one might claim you do in fact help because you want to be able to perceive yourself as being morally good, even if there are no external witnesses, you yourself are your on witness in this matter. The phrase "doing something to help one sleep at night" comes to mind.

[@Aisaaax]

I would argue that a human never does anything selflessly. Everything is selfish. You either do things for direct benefit (to be paid/loved/praised/have friends/receive reciprocation/not get hurt/etc.) or internal benefit (to feel positive emotions or avoid negative ones). People who do charity anonymously do that because they get to feel good about themselves. Not because others need help so you have to act - no. It's to feel good. People who sacrifice their life and jump in front of the bullet - are making an impulsive decision in which they try and avoid neggative emotion of seeing someone shot. I know many people will disagree with me because believing in a fairy tale is much more comforting. But deep down you too know. The important bit, though, is that orphans truly don't care. 😮

[@LLynell]

I believe that Transparency is the biggest key in whether or not to use patrons donations towards other endeavors. If you come out and randomly say, "I used patron funds on XYZ because I wanted to" it can leave a negative impression for the patrons because they may not want their money to support that specific thing. But, if you put it out before hand, "I want to support XYZ financially, can you let me know in your donation message if you're okay with it?" It allows the patron the transparency to give their approval, or disapproval when donating their money to your content.

[@sarcastictruth9427]

Thank you for the Diablo Immortal video. You simultaneously saved me from a bad game and introduced me to one of my new favorite long form video makers. Your videos are EXCELLENT!

[@dragons_advocate]

According to Nietzsche, there is no such thing as selflessness, as everybody has their own reasons to be selfless, and strives to fulfill those reasons as a selfish pursuit.

[@TheSweetSpirit]

(Talking about Nietzsche) Calling all reasons to be selfless as selfish is missing the nuance. Expecting an outcome that you desire, Wanting recognition, appeasing some higher power or just appeasing their emotions are all different levels of selfishness. Some of those reasons wouldn’t even be seen as selfish by most people.

[@excalibro8365]

@@TheSweetSpirit Because most people think of gains only as in material gains. Now that's missing the nuance.

[@dragons_advocate]

@TheSweetSpirit it's been 15 years since I read it, and I was oversimplifying, but yeah: that. Thanks for elaborating 👍

[@lloyd011721]

my opinion is that if it is actually helping the people, then the reason why youre doing it doesnt matter.

[@coreysayre1376]

You cannot put a price on goodwill. It almost always works out in the long term that inspiring goodwill within your customers outperforms alternative strategies. To generate goodwill in your base, you must do right by them over a long period of time. But once you get to that long term you will have way more than just a customer, you will have a supporter, a recruiter/marketer/advertiser, who will take offense to disinformation and in general someone who will go out of their way to benefit you/your product or service. This was written about quite a lot during the early-mid 20th century by people like Napoleon Hill and Dale Carnegie, and when I look back on my life (from both ends of this equation) it has proven to be true. It baffles me to no end, that the opposite approach has taken hold in the corporate world, which by this point is completely oblivious that there actually is another way.

[@Ghost101]

I'm glad you brought up Vampire Survivors 9:30 because that game, its dlc and soundtrack are worth every penny. I love that game.

[@Caltato]

This guy called himself altruistic: he would lend money to friends in need and then expected his friends to somehow show how grateful and indebted they felt to him and would start drama if the friends didn't meet his expectations; eventually the friends just paid off the money and blocked the guy at least never talked to him again. I'm sure the orphans don't care where the money came from, but the friends didn't think it was worth the hassle. I guess the moral of the story is that no one can come to a conclusion because not all situations are the same. Either way, thank you for your content, and thank you for putting yourself and your fans first, we appreciate it!

[@Snipfragueur]

By definition, if you take a decision, it is what you decided, and thus it is egoist.

[@Frostycrypton]

21:11 The comedic timing of this message cannot be understated.

[@nobushidono9897]

Good thing Kreia taught me that altruism is bad. Giving someone something they have not earned is like pouring sand into their hands.

[@zanec14]

6:10 Also(on top of all the other things you said later), capitalism does not allow companies to sustain themselves by just making a good product, either you make profit or you get out-profiteered. something something capitalism bad

[@heatrayzvideo3007]

I was about to send josh a few grand on patreon but I decided not to be selfish. I got the money from a dodgy sponsorship I do for Benson & Hedges. Also Josh if you read this please finish the mmo history series.

[@RaRaBravura]

I give TO GIVE. Once the money leaves my hands it’s no longer mine.

[@Fata59]

It's wild to me to see people bragging about the stuff they've bought from cash shops in mmos nowadays. 15+ years ago we would've called those people idiots and tell them they wasted their money - nowadays they advertise for the corpos for free. It's disgusting.

[@1IGG]

I still call them that, but you have a point, of course.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

It's really not a problem as long as it's purely cosmetics. Call them idiots, but if they enjoy the product they purchased then let the idiots pay. Some people have a lot of money. To some people a $20 cosmetic is mind blowingly expensive, to some $20 is literally nothing. Let the rich and desperate support the ongoing development of the game you enjoy. Don't call them idiots, call them shareholders that don't get anything lol

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@fisharepeopletoo9653 Right cosmetics are one thing, within reason. But I've seen people bragging about buying literal P2W, and thinking it makes them better. And the old arguments don't help them, because their garbage families failed them: 'It's like borrowing mommy's Lexus. And whenever someone says 'cool car', you have to tell them 'it's my moms'' 'Well, I'm still IN the car, so I win!' It's so stupid and self-obviously wrong, I don't even have an answer.

[@djr-crowe]

I don't think that patronage is about *what* you do with the money. A patron supports an artist. The end.

[@orionfire1947]

"Fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but who has practiced the same kick 10,000 times." -Bruce Lee It is with this outlook that we know we must fail to succeed, without failure there is no growth, and without mistakes there is nothing to learn. With that in mind, we have watched you and supported you through that process, and will continue to do so. I feel it's more important that you continue to do what you love to do, and if that means we get higher quality well-produced things as we have been, then so be it, and anyone that wishes to leave will have just missed out on what you make. Glad to have you, Josh.

[@KatieGimple]

Your view on sponsorships is something I really appreciate about you, and is why I actually watch all your sponsorships without skipping them. Other people just read off a random script, and I don't know if they actually have anything to do with reality, but every time you've taken a sponsorship what you are saying as part of that is what you actually believe, and is as much a part of the content as everything else.

[@einhasad7]

23:42 Josh: "Rooky, get me back to where we needed to be" Rooky: "I also forgot" Brilliant!

[@MarcinObuchowski]

Mister Strife they day you fall, I start drinking (so hopefuly never!)

[@Nyarlathothep]

What if, one day, Patreon subscribers are collectively donating more money than one person could ever reasonably use in the production of videos. You buy the very best gaming rig, with the most expensive graphics card, and fill the backdrop with the rarest and most valuable collectibles. You move out of what I assume is a cramped terrace house to some lush country house, and set up a top tier studio. Then what? At some point the money sort of HAS to go to something besides the creation of KZbin videos.

[@AlucardNoir]

Doubt Josh will ever read this but I did in fact unsubscribe from several KZbinrs I used to watch because they uploaded videos that were 1/3 sponsor spot. At that point I felt like I was no longer watching an education KZbinr but a shill for a product that made what he though was the bare minimum for a video just so he could put the sponsor spot in. And no, I'm not counting you as an education KZbinr, I'm just saying that at least one of the guys I unsubscribed from was in that category and made a 1/3 ad read video.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

I try to read every comment :)

[@clintgahm1495]

You unfollowed content creators you enjoy for having the audacity to devote a small percentage of their time and efforts into avoiding having to sustain their body on integrity instead of food? Wouldn't it make more sense to continue supporting them through the growing pains of fully committing to making a livable wage doing what they are passionate about and making the content you enjoy?

[@AlucardNoir]

@@clintgahm1495 Firstly, I'm from Europe, we have advertising standards here. Even on TV, you can't have 20 minutes of pause and 40 minutes of content in an hour. And I stopped watching TV years ago, and the shit ton of ads was part of it. Secondly, growing pains? I didn't name the youtuber but I assure you, their growing pains were long in the past. Their channel was already on the decline. Mainly because they had stopped publishing new videos. This wasn't a growing pains kind of thing, the video was literally made to shill the ad. I'm not here to support them, I'm here for content. And in their case educational content. They stopped uploading - like most educational youtubers have done over the past few years. Then they suddenly come back with a video that's 1/3 advert, and that's without any preroll ads youtube might add on their end? and you expect me to support that? I don't give a fuck if they're starving. And since you're here commenting in place of donating all your free time and money to helping the needy, neither do you. YT are here to entertain, when they stop doing that is when they fail, and having 1/3 of your god damn video be an advert is failing to entertain.

[@Dan1loBC]

18:17 kitycat with the "hes monologing", I love it!

[@OnBrandRP]

My own line of thinking is that even if the act itself is for a selfish reason, the outcome is still altruistic in the sense that you're giving back to a cause that you clearly feel good about helping. Even if it's to make you feel better about yourself, it's still going to a good cause so it's alright. At the end of the day the person that's accepting the donation isn't going to care why you gave them money, they're just going to be happy to have the money.

[@yeturs69420]

One thing i love about you is you ask these questions. Its like the polar oppisite of taking gamling money to push gambling on kids.

[@Booma4142]

Good is good. Enlightened self interest is one of the best ways people can actually use human nature for good.

[@Sniperbear13]

Good and Evil are just concepts Humans created. the reality is there is no true good or evil, just things we labeled as such.

[@excalibro8365]

@@Sniperbear13 Truth. Good and evil are concepts purely based on human feelings, nothing else.

[@Dyanosis]

The only problem I have with most content creators, you included (since you mentioned it around 12:20) is that you, the creator, think you know what people want to see or experience. What if what you put into that script is nothing like what we wanted? What if we wanted to just watch more gameplay? What if we wanted to see that mechanic that you're talking about and calling "boring"? Instead, you've just assured us and given us a bias that something will be boring without giving us a chance to experience, through anything but your own words. Take the Creators who make videos about LoL. Specifically the ones who don't do full game videos (aka they edit their videos to show more "interesting" or "engaging parts"). How did they get to that part? They always talk about "analyzing your play will make you better" but then they immediately go against their own creed and edit out the parts that we, the viewers, could have analyzed and learned from. We don't see their dozens of deaths in a game, only their multiple kills (or kill streaks). They preach one thing and then do another. And I know that's most of society at this point, but it's so god damn frustrating. You, the creator, do not get to tell me, or any other viewer, what I want to see. I should be able to tell you, along with many other viewers doing the same, what I want to see and feel like my voice was heard. Polls are a way of doing that. Paying attention to your comments (though most comments are nonsensical or just "omg content". But some of them, like when I care to comment, are actually giving feedback about the video and things I wish you'd have included.

[@TheSorrowfulAngel]

If you look at it.. everything anyone has ever does was in their own best interests. Everyone will always try to do what they perceive as best in the situation. If someone is altruistic, they may just do it for recognition or a feeling of moral superiority.. but it doesn't have to be as "extreme" as that. They might just feel like "it is the right thing to do". And apparently, they want to do the "right thing". So that can also be viewed as egotistical. But now, the line of thought reached the point of everything a person does being some sort of egoistic and the whole topic kind of has become a moot point. It's the point when theory might be correct, but not represent reality accurately. But keeping this in mind, it becomes a bit harder to define "altruism". Personally, I think it is more practical to maybe keep the underlying psychology in mind(cause there are many practical situations where this is applicable in some way), but ultimately not become cynical over it: A good deed can still be a good deed even if the intention isn't 100% altruistic. Most of the time, there isn't any especially malicious or manipulative intent behind this.

[@keetongu9511]

This reminds me of an old fable. Once there was hungry man sitting on the street. He had little money but he was content. A business man comes up to him and offers him a luxury car if only he'll give a shoutout to Raycon Earbuds. The man sees no harm in it and goes along with it. He loves his new car and loves riding it but he now has to buy fuel and repairs in order to keep the car going. The man sits on the street once more, now unhappy with the life he had before since he can no longer ride his car. Along comes the business man again offering him fuel and repairs to keep him his car going and keep him happy, if only he gives a shoutout to Raid Shadow Legends every day.

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

19:50 As part of a scifi setting I been working on, decided to make my own astrology set. Mainly cause it makes no sense to have the same star signs in a completely different solar system (my setting is set in the Barnards solar system). Wanted to add astrology more as a cute touch than something that's gonna be a serious thing, that and I can also use it to sell merch and help fund any game development..

[@riotangel4701]

I like the horoscopes that don't predict your future but insult you for the nasty horrible personality traits you'd possess.

[@probablythedm1669]

I feel that "I want something nice and sweet when I'm out to drink." I was out with a bunch of the women at work this week and while they all had beer, cider, wine or champagne... and there I was, one old "you look like you listen to interesting music"-dude with long hair and a beard, with my hard Oreo milkshake (5 cl of booze in it) because it seemed tasty. I got at least one very judgemental look and comment from another man at the bar about my choice of drink. It's fine, we talked and even gave each other a handshake hug when I left the bar. Nice guy, actually, I think he just had an initial impression of me that I was at the bar to look down on the people trying to enjoy their innebriation. But I was already drunk when I got there and just needed to maintain the buzz in a tasty way. I mean think about it. I can buy beer or bottled drinks and enjoy them in the comfort of my home, where I pick the music, the company, the food, the snacks, all of it. So if I go to a bar I want mixed drinks made by a bartender, because that I cannot get at home! That is worth paying extra, giving up some control and comfort, and accepting some loud people I don't know for. 😁

[@RomanBellic-ez5fh]

We humans, even though we see ourselves distant from nature sometimes, we forget that we’re animals too, therefore we follow mother nature rules. In biology, there’s a type of symbiotic relationship called mutualism, even though different species are helping one another for their own benefit, both benefit from it nonetheless. I believe that Selfish altruism is just another name for mutualism.

[@Gormathius]

19:50 This is the best rule for remembering the difference I've ever heard. I always had the rule that astronomy can get you nominated for a nobel prize, which is much more of a mouthful.

[@nobodyimportant2470]

Another part of the shitty practices of playing the customers for short term gains is a court case "Dodge v. Ford Motor Company". Michigan supreme court said that a companies primary concern should be what is best for the share holders rather than what would be good for the employees, customers, and company. Share holders are best served by short term gains spiking the value so they can sell to someone else before the long term consequences hit.

[@Dotzie90]

Cherry Bakewell Cocktail sounds amazing, I've been addicted to cherry bakewells for 20+ years

[@josht93x]

And that's why philosophers don't actually get anything done, whereas biologists figured this out ages ago. Does the action an organism takes benefit another at a cost to itself that can be measured in overall health/wellness or particularly in reproductive fitness? Is taking this action a net loss? If so, it's altruistic. Problem solved. ;)

[@Pers0n97]

On the topic of Horoscops, I worked for a bit on a fashion magazine and as you can expect we had an horoscope. One week we run out of our stock of premade horoscopes, so we just started to reuse horoscopes from a couple of years ago. Nobody ever found out.

[@MasterGhostf]

I see patreon as in the name. Patron. The people sending you money trust you with the money becasue they trust you. Its yours to use. If people stopped trusting you they would stop giving. Now obviously if you spent all the money on charities I doubt most will stick around as there is "some" expectation of return. But, its mostly just seen as a way to support the artist or creator. Honestly, as long as you stick to yourself and your brand (it is a brand) you probably can do anything you want with it. Sometimes patrons did contract work, sometimes it was just continual support.

[@kosviik9584]

I think doing something because it makes you feel better about yourself is still true altruism. Altruism just for the sake of giving without expecting truly ANYTHING, is borderline lunacy and goes against our basic instincts of self-preservation. Humans as a species have this thing where we don't really want things to be worse for us, unless we feel it is right and it "pays out". Whether that is a better world we more enjoy living in, the simple satisfaction of feeling like a good person, or perhaps hoping that our own descendants will live a better life. (Unless of course our lifespan already has a close limit, at which point I think it is a different debate, for example old people donating parts of their wealth as opposed to just letting it be inherited) I'd also argue that doing it for exposure, SO that you can then use all that exposure to continue giving, essentially becoming a medium to make non/less altruistic people technically perform these actions, is still altruism in a weird way. And now I have typed the word enough times that it started looking weird.

[@Jan12700]

6:00 Josh is the Guy from the Meme in the businesses room that is kicked out of the window because he says the obvious thing that the bosses don't want to hear xD 11:30 Fail until you succeed. This is a great concept that I also most of the time do, but it is very time consuming. With YT Videos, especially during the pandemic, a lot of channels popped up that only have a handful of videos or even just one and their videos were really awesome. I don't know how they are doing this, if they just worked so long on just these few videos that they are almost perfect or that they had just a gifted skill for making videos.

[@kingdomrains]

1:08 There is a Buddhist concept called being wisely selfish, the short version is "if you cannot be selfless than you should try to be selfish in a way that benefits others as well as yourself".

[@Jolfgard]

18:10 Yeah, that's what people do.

[@jomeiisaboss]

I want to respond to each part of this because I'm bored. 0:01 1:20 Though doing something for self interest but benefiting someone else no issue is to be had with that in my opinion. Mr.Beast is not the best example ever but he is one of those people who spends a lot of money to make a lot of money to gain fame to then spend more money. As much as he says all the money goes into videos he also has his own living expenses and other business he owns. getting to the point he is at now required him to seek fame to seek "glory" to give away money. TLDR: Another quick one is me helping a orphanage as you said as an example. But not giving the money because you think it is a selfish deed is selfish in itself. Because you are concerned about the image that you portray as oppose to who you are assisting. 1:20- 5:00 This one is short because you nailed it so did the lovely viewers. Most people who pay for the patreon do not care if you spend the money on what ever. Its meant to support you. You are not expected to dump ever penny in another video nor are you expected to make videos they love over another. People back you because they like who you are as a person and the content you make. Back those kids! let everyone know you did it. And all will be happy you did and will be excited to see the play or musical or what have you. At the end of the day we want more content of you and the personality you bring along with it. 5:00 5:58 This is a slippery one of course, I personally think made another channel or have the vod channel be the source of which you put the ads. Another channel called like Josh Strife Blaze and you do the stereotypical over the top youtuber voice and talk about and play the mobile game ad so everyone who knows you will pick up its a joke. Another easy great one though, one that's like jjjackfilms and do the ad reads on those. To anyone who actually read this, thankyou for the time who gave me to have this floor. Have a lovely day! Iwasbored.

[@jomeiisaboss]

also I did not proof read this.

[@hsanrb]

Only issue about the ads, companies want ads on the main channel, because that is where the audience already is. They don't want to run ads on a NEW channel because what if 50%, 20%, 2% of your current audience views that channel then what was the point? Think of a game developer releasing a new version of a popular game and then scratching their heads when not everyone wants to play the new version, they like what they have. Why do people play OSRS when RS3 exists with better graphics, new interactions etc. Not because its bad, but because some players will return and the new experience is not like the old experience. Example is when *insert new streaming service* starts up, and they buy out a big name to give the platform validity. Their audience is not guaranteed to come with them. So when Mixer bought Shroud and Ninja, Microsoft paid a big amount of money, and then the hardcore audience moved and everyone else just found someone else on Twitch that was close but not them. Microsoft decided to cut their losses without trying to get Mixer the proper exposure it needed and is why Twitch is making such drastic changes because they have proven the audience willing to move is not there. Think about when the new big MMO comes out, New World peaked at like a million players, but now its at like 20k players. A Great number for the top 100 Steam charts, but the game wasn't what they wanted and went back to whatever game they came from.

[@jomeiisaboss]

@@hsanrb I see what you are saying but you also said they mixer has bought out streamers same with kick. The money IS willing to be traded someone WILL pay. And to my guess its a lot of someones because josh has a big name. youtubers who get 90k viewers get big sponsors so the idea would work. No matter how new or old or what have you, I am saying Josh could make a new channel and advertisers will be willing to pay maybe not the crazy amount for the main channel but some for a smaller channel. I understand the point you are making and I have considered that.

[@Noble1717]

just found your channel and really been enjoying the talks ya post, thank ya for the content sir

[@Kerbezena]

5:57 Comic strip panel 1: "How can we trick our customers into giving us more money, how can we convince people, where should we put the adverts, how should we make the store smell?" panel 2: JSH: "Why don't you just make a GOOD product in a way that people enjoy supporting over a long time period?" panel 3: JSH flying out an office skyscraper's window.

[@vladibalan]

During the whole video, in the upper zone, Riker is getting some kind of massage...

[@steamyrobotlove]

I am so surprised the dev of Vampire Survivors, poncle, offered they’re game for so cheap. It is one of the best games I played last year, and I still continue to boot it up for a 30 minute run. Or several failed runs! I love that game! Thanks, poncle!!

[@toter80]

I think you're holding yourself to a standard no one else is holding you to. There is a balance that can be had with having sponsorships and not taking ones that could be hurtful to the audience. As long as you maintain this balance, you can grow while also being able to achieve some of your long-term goals.

[@willowbarrelmaker8269]

One of the things to remember about the Barnum statements is that they were initially tested on college kids, so like… you know, it’s important to remember that that specific group does not actually speak for all of humanity, despite how often psychological tests claim it does

[@Kilo6Charlie]

Your view on sponsors and the sheer cheek of doing and them APPROVING a 2 second ad in two videos so far (at least) sold me on trying Gamersupps. While we didn't like all the flavours that came in our trial selector, they were all good flavours and sold us on replacing soda with them.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

But my mood is totally dependent on the planets position. But I am talking mostly relative to the sun. Because that thing is like 30% too bright bare minimum.

[@TheGabberManiac]

For anyone wondering: Josh is a Taurus

[@Eagledude131]

20:44 bamboozling us about his star sign, typical Gemini behavior

[@hamelconsultancyllc]

The Barnum bit was really interesting - I now live in the “Barnum” neighborhood in Denver - named after the same Barnum who had bought the land in the 1800s for his circus animals but never expanded westward enough, then his daughter later sold it for home development

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

About the insults in Parlament. The german parlament in the 60s-80s was full of it. My personal favorite was Herbert Wehner. He was constantly insulted for his past in the communist party, so he was never shy to insult back and had quite a wit with it. My personal favorites were: "If you want to sit at the front your name has to be Asshole." (german parlament sorted seats in alphabetical order back then.) "We need a managing director here, not a miandering director." (during a debate to his opponent) "You are a mental stew dish." (don`t remember the context anymore, but the creativity has to be admirable.) He had quite a few more and still holds the record for the most calls to order directed towards him in the parlament with a whopping 52.

[@adamion1993]

The "You don't understand what you're talking about" guy just got SCHOOLED! I absolutely lived it!😊

[@dracotoy]

It reminds me of when mr beast did his cureing blindness video. Plenty of terminally online people were upset and mad at him for making it a video. But i know atleast a thousand people who couldnt thank mr beast enough for that video

[@dchemko]

That creator gets clicks and financial rewards for performative charity. Did he make more money in monetization and exposure than the money he spent on the good of those involved in the video? Then it's a transactional business activity that doesn't deserve any praise at all. If there are actual losses and ruinous sacrifices, great. They can be within the realm of Oscar Schindler to make the world a better place.

[@zerooskil7161]

Everything we ever do is rooted in some selfishness at all times. 🤔 And yet im arries 🤣 Josh i am finding you to do the nod, prepare thy self !!! 😆

[@matthewn4896]

There's another creator that I really like with a similar philosophy around sponsorships. Their channel has a single sponsorship, with a brand that they had already been using for many years before they got involved with youtube, and said brand gives them complete freedom to promote their products in any manner they see fit. Their stubbon refusal to shill anything they don't, or wouldn't, use themselves is part of the reason I've been a patron of theirs for several years now.

[@seileurt]

The fact this ends on a cliffhanger just makes you want to listen to more.

[@NevisYsbryd]

As someone who is seriously into astrology-we look at sun sign horoscopes like hardcore full loot pvpers look at Candy Crush microtransactions.

[@BenTempest]

Hey josh what you talk about at 9:10 fits perfectly for Deep Rock Galactic, you should play it sometimes if you have the time for it

[@bobchelios9961]

Isnt it beautiful, that humans feel good by doing good? It doesnt matter if you feel good for "selfish" reasons, you still did good

[@dashboots376]

I want a Patreon goal to be that Josh buys a horse and names it Josh Strife Neighs.

[@DeanGetYourWings]

Super duper easy answer to the first one. You can do it, it can be ego driven. At the end of the day It's helping someone hopefully in a beneficial way with money, time and investment for those who can afford to do so. It's still help. However, don't get your knob in a twist and get randy when someone calls you out for doing it to feel good about doing something to feel good about. Only then do you look a prat. Past that it's your money/time/interests. Fuck what anyone else thinks. We're flawed humans, we live in a bubble no matter our wealth. Integrity matters but it's ultimately down to the human where that line is drawn. Depending on the line depends on who and what types of people back and contest them.