Best video link for micros? // With Flywoo Nano Baby 2S

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Flywoo Black Friday Sale! bit.ly/3V4pOeR

[@davidlozanoo2416]

Hey Joshua, I have a problem and I was wondering if you can help me. I recently bought your DIY drone kit v2 analog version and Im almost done setting eveything up its just when I open betaflight now it keeps showing "-- Failed to open serial port" I had already downloaded all the drivers i needed and it was working just fine the days before its just now that it's not connecting, I would appericate it a lot if you had any advice on what i should do, Thank you.

[@johnhinkleman9757]

Usually when I run into that issue, it’s due to a faulty cable.

[@blackjungle308]

This whole video reminded me of the whole "boiling a frog" thing. If you slooowly increase the weight of JB's quads, he probably wont notice. haha

[@doccock100]

Thanks so much josh. the fact that you are not an expert race pilot makes your reviews so much more valuable to me. I know what you are reporting is so much closer to my experience compared to a vanny or MCK opinion.

[@pillowtalk1982]

This can be a pretty tricky hobby to get into. Thanks so much for making things easier. You and Bubby are the reason I fly. Thank you.

[@propabilityfpv]

Wow, this size quad really highlights the weight/flight characteristics vs image quality tradeoff. No denying the analog flies fantastic, but the dji image quality is undoubtedly the best. Wasn't expecting such a big difference! Great review JB 👍

[@AbraxasBerlin]

Every time you come across your property fence I'm wondering why there's no warning on the screen. You should really enjoy this.

[@andrewna4095]

Mate! I can't believe the crisp very nice color profile of the camera you're using when seated at the bench. Such a great scene, with the blurr background and coloring / contrast! Hollywood-style. Really got me. The rest of the video, also not so bad, but was just so stunned by the video....

[@waychunky]

I noticed an obvious thing the other day that may not be obvious to everyone. I realized that all the sims feel much more realistic when I set a max frame rate I can maintain constant. The sim running around 90 to 130 fps feels fine. It when I set it to 60fps and sync it so every frame is 60 it feels right. So the lower constant frame rate is like real life. Same here you are getting a varying frame rate vs a steady frame rate like HDzero. So on the sim having lower graphics settings and a low frame rate feels way better that the graphics maxed and varying frame rate. Depends on what you are wanting to do sometimes I want to see the fancy graphics but I still go back to lower it just feels better. If you have a God like computer then you can have both. 😊

[@maoromka]

Just ordered my first analogue tinywhoop, after flying DJI for a couple of years and Joshua - I cannot get enough of your videos! Thanks a lot for what you're doing for the community! As a complete new starter, all this content really helps understand the differences very well!

[@dangerous8333]

Not like you have much of a choice with a tinywhoop.

[@Wawet76]

You mixed HDZero with Walksnail in the opening shot. I had a gasp when you said "HDZero" and saw the "L" on the antenna :)

[@OldManCassius]

Great insights JB. And I just gotta say I LOVE those shots when you're just sitting at the picnic table and talking about the drones. The colors and slightly out of focus background looks really nice and homey, especially compared to the usual perspective from your workshop. It's a really nice change of pace.

[@aerialcombat]

lol

[@JoryFPV]

The quality on the analog camera choice leaves a lot to be desired, and that's putting it mildly. I'm surprised Flywoo thought it was passable, especially for a $170+ micro. Seems like a nifty little quad otherwise.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Yeah, makers never use the great analog cameras! They always use the SKANKS! lol In the days of digital, that's just DUMB!

[@dissonvnce]

Holy s***t! Analogue looked so good, when you switched from dji to analogue, I was like huh - is this analogue?!

[@sunol1212]

Yep. I fly a toothpick more than any other quad. This is one of the reasons why I spent my fpv dollars on the HDZ Goggles instead of new DJI. They can do analog, HDZ and Walksnail (via the VRX).

[@creationlabsinc.189]

Good choice if that is all you fly.

[@dangerous8333]

Yeah if you fly all sorts of quads that would be the way to go. I only fly digital so it doesn't work for me. To me, flying analog would be like going back to VHS.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@dangerous8333 Or like going back to CRT TV's! lol

[@stormy_fpv]

Just ordered the DJI one, as I'm already on DJI with most of my quads and I wanna retire my old analog gear. It may seem to lack a bit in terms of performance compared to the other versions, but I'm just excited to fly a tiny drone like that on digital. I don't plan on doing crazy freestyle stuff with it anyway, just some chill backyard cruising. Thanks for the comparison!

[@benjfpv.]

hey im just getting into fpv and i recently got a dji fpv drone, it came with the goggles v2 and the rc controller 2. if i got one of these drones that have the dji, would i be able to use my goggles and controller with the drone? or would i need to do mods to the controller and goggles? or just they wont work? thanks!

[@stormy_fpv]

@@benjfpv. It should work from what I remember, but you gotta switch the Goggles operating mode, as one is for the DJI FPV Combo and the other is for the CaddX Vista / Air Unit.

[@MichaelJMAD]

First I'd like to say that I do appreciate your videos and I understand that digital is the new hotness. However, some of us don't have the ability to go digital and are struggling to find decent analog systems that fit our needs for our micro quads. A good example is that I just recently picked up a mobula 7 HD and I flew it twice and the caddex camera is now dead and I do mean dead I went into this knowing that I would probably have to replace the camera but I did not realize how difficult that actually was going to be to find a good cheap solution. My preferred case is 1080p to 4K with an onboard DVR however it doesn't look like that's going to be an option for size. What I'm currently looking at purchasing is a runcam nano 2 with the happymodel diamond VTX DVR. That is if I can find them in stock anywhere. You may have already done a video like this in the past but if you could do an updated video where you talk about analog or possibly even digital together where you discuss the best bang for the buck in both Solutions. And hopefully places where they're in stock

[@MrVlodato]

Its definetly subjective to what you want from it. I fly micros to explore new spots and cruise around when too many pedestrians are at a flying spot and i dont want to bring attention flying acro or cruise with a 5". So for me i think the HD quad with the most reliable range makes sense which in this case would be the vista version. Regardless if i can hit that range with a small pack i will still get a more consistant bitrate and penetration.

[@shaneintegra]

I just purchased DJI goggles v2 about 3 months ago... but I'm gunna switch to HDzero. If your on a budget or fly long range then Analog is still a go to. And HDzero makes Analog look better while also giving you access to digital. Its the perfect goggle

[@creationlabsinc.189]

Gotta disagree there Holmes to to each their own

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@creationlabsinc.189 Me too!

[@KOrnhOliO1]

See, you are believing the most OVER HYPED spec in all of FPV! Latency! You've got the Best Tech. HDZero isn't close! Go fly a DJI drone behind trees, bushes, and buildings. Explore and fly far away... Now, go fly an HDZero quad - LEARN! It can't punch itself out of a paper bag! No penetration! It's awful! Go for ANALOG2 if you want, but you already bought the best, and at the very best price too! It's not even close! Believe the hype if you want... Remember....say "one one thousand" very fast. That's a second. Now imagine breaking that one second into 1000 parts. That's a SHIT LOAD of parts all in one second of time! Then, try to tell me you can feel the difference between something with 6 parts (ms) more, that happens in ONE SINGLE SECOND! Do the math. Do the science. Use common sense & logic...That's what Chris Rosser tested to be the difference between DJI and HDZero...go watch his test a few days ago. Watch the video closely - Look at all of the image distortion in the HDZero image - especially when he crops in. HDZero is great for racing or flying in an open field. It can't fly behind objects because it has almost no penetration! Even Pro Pilot Vanover said, when he flew both back to back on a race course, blazing through the course - He could barely feel the difference and could compensate for it. His track times were almost identical. Hundredths of a second apart! If you look for it, you can find and watch that older video too.

[@10fantic]

I got the dji version, flashed 4.3.1, blue jay, and then tuned it and shed about 4 grams of weight by getting a smaller vtx and XF antenna. I also really recommend the gnb 530’s and get consistent 3.5mins with minimal sag. Dji is heavier but I love flying it.

[@chesterlim15]

Smaller VTX?

[@10fantic]

@@chesterlim15 read my comment again…..

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@chesterlim15 I think he meant canopy.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Way to go Bro! That's what I've been saying all along! We can MAKE IT BETTER! Use a dipole. Use a lighter canopy....you said VTX, but I think you meant canopy. VTX is the Naked Vista, and it's already as light as it can get. But, no manufacturer spends enough time getting rid of weight! Those first micro quads makers put out as DJI BNF's were a total joke - 70 - 90 grams! lol At least Flywoo is still trying! All the rest gave up! But, yes, we can make it lighter! My lightest to date is 38g, with a Nebula Pro Nano and a 75mm carbon fiber frame. I know of a whoop that is 35g. We can do it! We just have to keep trying. The guy who built that 35g whoop thinks he can turn the corner on 30 grams! 😎🤘

[@10fantic]

@@chesterlim15 “smaller vtx AND xf antenna……

[@baggszilla]

The HDZero one looked the best and flew the best of the HD versions! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[@TheVeganarchism]

Thanks for saving me 26 minutes 😂

[@baggszilla]

@@TheVeganarchism That's my opinion that's not Bardwell's lol

[@sworren]

I totally agree. The Walksnail picture when moving fast is so unclear, only big blobs of colour

[@Latchfpv]

Thanks for the awesome review JB. Ended up using your link when I noticed that Flywood is also doing a combo deal with the Walksnail VRX with this drone, and I just couldn't resist picking it up.

[@ChrisHarmon1]

Probably safe to assume they will send the newest walksnail 1s vtx with the new vrx. If my goggles had an HDMI input I'd accept the 1 frame of delay vs flying a fat naked dji(so gross).

[@Latchfpv]

@@ChrisHarmon1 I certainly hope so. Looking forward to it even though for now it'll be plugging into a box goggle, until I'm able to see about picking up a hdzero goggle at some point.

[@MariomasterNSMBHD]

Walksnail really seems to be the way to go for micros of this size. A comparison for 75mm whoops would be interesting too as those extra 2 grams would make pretty significant impact there. I am getting the Walksnail VRX and plan to combine that with the HDZero goggles because I still want to fly my analog quads and don't want to be locked into a system (no HDMI/analog in for the walksnail goggles). Having all of Walksnail+HDZero+Analog in a neat package will be amazing for micros :)

[@justainchoe6141]

@joshuabardwell @4:22 wait, there’s a new lighter version of the WalkSnail 1S kit? Any idea when it’ll be available? I just ordered 2 VTXs and I haven’t even received it and it’s already outdated?? :(. I can’t find any information about this new Avatar 1S revision.

[@christelledeneau7461]

This is just the video that I needed to make my decision !! Thank you very much Joshua.

[@RyanQuellet]

Cool experiment - this is exactly what I have said before about flight-feel being better with hdzero. Aside from weight changing the feel, I think video delay with hdzero vrx is too high. hdzero goggles that have 3ms delay will make this as locked in as analog. Also curious if 540p60 gives better range for you - which isna big sticking point for you (i fly closer, so it doesnt bother me much). Obviously I think hdzero is the best one because the image is better than analog, but feels just as snappy

[@stephenseccafico9311]

how much video delay is there on the vrx vs the goggles?

[@KnowThings]

You are very right. My order would've been the other way because of variable latency and maybe analog goes to place 3. Fixing it to 2nd seams to influence HDZero too massively to the bad side...

[@dreadfly66]

Mr. Bardwell knocks it out of the park once again. Great review!

[@Itsdarts]

Remember the Trans Tek Beatle? That was a DJI Air Unit 2.5” and flew pretty damn well on 4S. Not sure if you consider it a “Micro” but it’s my favorite sub 3”. Now you’ve inspired me to try a naked vista that quad.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Lowest I've heard of is a whoop at 35g with a Naked Vista! Try to beat it! my lowest is a 75mm carbon fiber RIPPER @ 38g! 😁

[@bigman2xl905]

The botgrinder shirt is my favorite!!! lol

[@ayoaina_fpv]

Good one JB! I like that you changed the title of this video to be more positive 😃

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying and review, Joshua! 😃 Those systems are getting better and better! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@rctrix9063]

Nice tour of the Bardwell play park. 😁 Good on ya dad👍

[@MrVerno1960]

Nice comparison video! Since you don't like the DJI version, just ship it on to me when you are done with it. LOL :)

[@mathieusan]

that was a useful comparison. It's all about what compromise you want to do, and I agree that the DJI better range is not worth it on a tiny whoop due to range being limited by the battery capacity. Great video! Analog needs cheaper hardware (goggles, VRX, etc) to fly, so there's also that.

[@djSpinege]

if they all had the same output power walksnail would have won in range. it's not hard capped like DJI is. i agree about VTX power making flight time much shorter and on micros we don't need more video range than the micro battery can travel.

[@KnowThings]

@@djSpinege Will you go out over 13km with a 2S 450mAh battery? I doubt...

[@djSpinege]

@@KnowThings ok, so you agree with us ...

[@MrVlodato]

TBF the extra power wouldnt just help overall range. It would also effect the bitrate and penetration, would it not?

[@metalfpv]

I think you got the hdzero and the walknail mixed in the intro, lost a few minute trying to understand what camera it was

[@Gowieee]

It’s nice to see WS getting the credit that they deserve.

[@k1ortia]

Whoo whooo, Analouge still lives. Yeah boiiii

[@creationlabsinc.189]

I here vhs is still in existence here and there to for nostalgia purposes as well.

[@k1ortia]

@@creationlabsinc.189 How goods your digital link 27km out?

[@ArturoRamirez6]

Hi Joshua!! it was a really nice comparison, I loved the way you explained it (although I still didn't quite understand what did you pick Walksnail over the HDzero if the video quality looks similar and during the test the Walksnail did a bit of prop washing...) either way, one important thing I'm missing here is the flight duration of each, even though you said it was longer on the analog I would really like to understand if we are talking of 2 min vs 3 min or a massive difference of 5 min to 1.5 min, Do you have that information with you? thanks in advance in any case!!

[@bludger247]

Any flying the DJI version at 700ma to make it a fairer comparison.

[@crashmode3401]

Happy Thanksgiving Joshua. Thank you for putting out another great video on a holiday. My 4 week old infant is really enjoying it. Maybe a little flying buddy in the making. I really like your micro fly in and around the trees. You should review more of these style quads.

[@LittleMissRollerCoaster]

Team Walksnail here! And this Flywoo Firefly 2S Nano Baby 20 is really most fun to rip around like a ninja that it is my daily driver! Love it! 😍😍😍🤩🤩🤩

[@johannrasch6034]

Can you recommend any batteries for the drone to me?

[@TheVeganarchism]

Hey Joshua, I noticed that the VTX antennas on the quads are all circularly polarized - analogue & DJI LHCP, HDZero & Walksnail RHCP. Flywoo doesn’t give you a choice of VTX antenna, and my HDZero setup is all LHCP (unlike yours which I can see is RHCP). Do you think it’s worth buying the LHCP for the quad side to match the polarization? Also, it looked like the stubbies on your goggles for the Walksnail test were black TrueRC LHCP antennas - could that be why the video wasn’t as good?

[@lavachemist]

I would really like to see a video with PID tunes for, particularly the Walksnail and DJI quads.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The factory pid tune is pretty good.

[@ChrisHarmon1]

I was all set to buy a set of Walksnail Avatar goggles with moblite 7 until I saw this flywoo DJI version. I am very afraid of flying naked, even if I'm fairly good about plugging in a batt and flying immediately--its the crashes and sitting idle while I stand up to find it that I worry about. I have a lathe and milling machine so I may investigate some CNC mods for heat dissappation. 6g difference from heaviest HD to lightest...I'm sure there is a difference but I'd also say the battery, wire length and connectors you choose play as much a role.

[@winder6]

I wish someone with great piloting skills would fly one of these with the prop guards on to see how much the guards effects flying. I would like to spec race the 2" quad small spaces and cheep and fast enough for some fun racing. Cheers

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

Damn my firefly 20 wouldnt update the elrs receiver. So couldn't bind with my elrs 3 tx. And I couldn't get my tx to go down a firmware to 2.5 to test if it even bind

[@jlarson42]

Great review / comparison video. Cool little rippers. I fly analog and dji. I'd go with the analog version, it flew so well. Dji I would prefer in a 3.5 or larger, 3 inch would be the smallest. Happy flying everyone. 😎

[@KOrnhOliO1]

My 38g, 75mm carbon fiber RIPPER, with a Naked Nebula Pro Nano in it, flies great! Low weight DJI quads can be built, it's just the manufacturers that have quit making BNF's, except for Flywoo. They could still shave a bunch of weight off these micros, if they actually buckled down and focused on ultra light! :)

[@jlarson42]

@@KOrnhOliO1 what frame and flight controller are you using?

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@jlarson42 Fractal engineering, Fractal 75mm frame kit! Heads @ Infinity loops KZbin channel uses it as his favorite and "daily driver". FC, just one I had laying around. I know I can get it down about 2g less weight if I used a lightweight FC. Can't find one I like that's in stock! What FC do you like and use for ultralight whoops?

[@jlarson42]

@@KOrnhOliO1 my 65mm whoop isn't exactly a lite weight build. It's the fc, canopy / vtx+camera of a Happymodel Snapper7. Meteor 65 frame, betafpv 802 19,500kv motors, bt 2.0 connector and Crossfire Nano Rx with the Immortal T mini V2 antenna. Weight is 21.5g without the lipo. My emax nanohawk I converted to open prop based on Mr Shutterbug video is 21.4g w/o lipo, 30.3g with. I converted it to bt 2.0 connectors as well.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@jlarson42 How do you like your nanohawk? Too many reviews said the ducts are too soft and bend, causing props to break or get bent up. What's your experience like with it? With the 2 screw proprietary motors, is it even possible to switch everything out to a traditional style whoop frame?

[@BigSQL]

DJI. I’ve bought into the eco system. I don’t want to go into another “FrSky ecosystem” for it to be crap a few months later. I can use the goggles and controller for DJI from a small drone like this to a 5 inch to a Mavic 3 cine.

[@freemandrew]

I'm not sure I agree with the ranking. Micros don't care about range and latency matters more when doing tight proximity. But also for the average person, you're not going to go wrong between analog, WS, or HDZ. Pick your favorite system and enjoy.

[@stuartstlouis8260]

I know this is an old video, but do you have a recommendation for someone who would like to fly this size, smaller sized and up to 5” with one radio and one goggle?

[@miahndes]

Hey there sir, what foam are you running on you Avatar goggles?

[@winder6]

HDZERO needs all the help you can give it with your back turned and tubby antennas not going to do to well. I run two magic mushroom antennas and on 25mw works ok and facing the quad.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Just for the record, I did turn around and face the flying area for the 2nd pack. But I wanted to see what would happen in a fair fight.

[@winder6]

@@JoshuaBardwell ya I totally agree with your method of consistency just wanted to let others know the system needs more help

[@winder6]

My bad So sorry for not seeing that you did an excellent job I should pay more attention won't happen again stay safe satay flying best regards

[@technoxtreme178]

One big question goes unanswered. Actually, two questions. 1) Could we upgrade the quality of the analogue camera and only add a gram or two? Might make a difference and still keep all the other advantages it had. 2) Could we PID tune the WalkSnail to see if it could fly better and/or is there such thing as possibly making a naked WalkSnail by removing its "shell"? The DJI is simply too heavy for this size quad and battery life would negate me even wanting to tune it better.

[@winder6]

Good points Nick Burns dose a camera upgrade on his TKS 2" builds upgrade to the caddx baby ratel it adds 2.3 grams I believe not positive check his vid for camera comparison

[@TweakRacer]

Sounds like a performance difference in individual battery packs tested, as small lipos can vary drastically. First place WS is only 2.6g lighter than last place DJI (didn’t mention which camera) with way more video range… on a drone with 65g AUW including 2S 450mAh lipo (didn’t mention using the 750mAh).

[@MikeMulligan34]

Would these little guys be too big to fly in the house? Was thinking a DJI one with prop guards to replace tiny whoop.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It wouldn't be impossible to fly them indoors if you're a good pilot.

[@miguelc7738]

Question, walksnail and fat shark goggles both work with the avatar vtx, correct? Is the vtx transmitting on one of the 40 channels or is it something else. Pondering getting into digital but confused over hd zero and WS an FS goggles and vtx’ s. Which one do you think will be around in the future?

[@nicohansen1196]

I ordered a cinelog v2 o3 and a pair or integra googles. The Firefly 2S Nano Baby 20 HD DJI Wasp is around €290,19 EUR, do you know of any cheaper integra & ELRS compatible rtf drone for me to practice, I kind of want to bridge the gap between the simulator and the cinelog 35 without buying a second pair of googles, as cheap as possible.

[@stingersswarm]

I need more "flingability!!"

[@winder6]

There the garden ripper especially Japanese gardens.with all those cool little trees and tight gaps. Road trip to San Francisco.

[@manski209]

Great video review. JB, what are the best antennas to put on the Eachine EV300O goggles that i purchased for my son today?

[@kabilang.r1148]

Can you make a video about Cetus beta fpv x?

[@MrPablo1996]

Hello! (It's my first drone) I just bought this drone from flywoo, I also bought the generic "DMKR 008PRO" ones and I was flying it today. The signal from the glasses wasn't the best, I'd like to know if it's the drone or just the glasses. The first two batteries were working perfectly, on the third battery it was impossible to fly. I was afraid that the drone was overheating or the glasses were very bad. Do you have any idea what could be happening? Could you recommend another analog goggles that I could buy?

[@RizHassan]

@josh, does analog has CMOS sensor on the camera or CCD? After flying both types, my preference is CCD sensor. What is your take?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

There are very few CCD sensor cameras made any more. I think Sony stopped making CCD sensors a while back. Basically all cameras now are CMOS so that's sort of what we have to live with. The non-WDR CMOS cameras have exceptionally low latency so that's not an issue.

[@RizHassan]

@@JoshuaBardwell just so u know I don’t fly quads or use Beta flight, more of a Ardupilot guy flying wings, but I love your blogs😀

[@johncarold]

Hi Josh, Great video on the difference between the video links on Micros Quads. I just love micros. they've fun to fly, inexpensive to purchase, well they used to be, there's no restitution, but most of all, you can fly almost anywhere, inside or outside, and no one cares. Roto/Rita did a video flying a babito in an airport terminal. Weight has always been an issue, but now that you can get an F.C. with built-in HDZERO, Walksnail, the weight is better. But the DJI version is to much weight with an air unit. for a micro. Which one is best for me. Well that's easy, The Analog is, Thanks again for the video and information about the different video systems for a micro.

[@J2onton]

To the average flyer, I think visual clarity would be prefered to any other flying performance. YOU, can expertly aerobat with a misty and smeared windsceen, but can others? Also, I thought higher prop loading would increase stability, not reduce it. Cheers, nice video.

[@orim8349]

Hi, good comparative video only one thing you forgot to compare and that's the price. I think that's very important too, less you have enough money you don't have to care about it. I'm not willing to pay for DJI one $325 it's too much money for the small tiny drone. It's definitely not worth the money. ln my opinion there is only one winer and that's analog one 👍😎

[@erickiandee4845]

Hi Mr joshua. Im buying radiomaster tx16s elrs. Just want to ask you about the gimbal. Which one better between this two. Option 1: v4.0 Hall sensor with aluminium fascia. Option 2: AGO1 CNC HALL SENSOR.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The ag01 is better but it's more expensive. Just a question if you want to spend the money. It's not necessary. The v4 hall gimbal is also very good.

[@rickmeehan2375]

So what do you think about the 4S Firefly baby I guess that would just be way too heavy

[@Noney8078]

The DJI O3 is 9 grams lighter than the version you tested, am I correct?

[@dangerous8333]

Going with Caddx and ELRS is the best of both worlds since you're saving weight with ELRS being built in.

[@jamessong5838]

How about TBS crossfire Nano RX? Which one do you recommended?

[@amarmot-f2q]

Joshua, what battery size were you using for these tests? 420?

[@scottmclaughlin1410]

Did you use 420 or 480 mah?

[@flake2093]

how are your motors not vissible? just bought one of these and all I see in my goggles is pretty much my 2 motors ....

[@BBuilt55]

Hello Joshua. Im new to Quads but been watching your posts for a while. All my equipment is DJI. I want the little Walksnail. will it bind up to my DJI equipment? Thank You

[@Euwanh85]

very curious to know how you are seeing LQ, I have updated my firmware on hdzero to latest and my elrs module and it is still flashing

[@scu-dub]

Happy Thanksgiving!😁 I was waiting for this vid to come lol I was disappointed in the performance of the hd zero😫 only because that's what I want to go with as far as my first HD gogs....if the output power was better I believe it would've at least been number 2 on JB's list 😁 awesome review ✌🏽

[@winder6]

I think it really needs better antennas on the goggles those stubby antennas and then facing the rong way doesn't help HDzero needs more help than the other HD systems at least for now

[@ProjectFleek]

I'm supposed to be doing things today, but you're very good at leading into next videos, six hours later....

[@andersonncardosotube]

Hello bro! I can use DJI FPV controller?

[@matthewwilken2051]

i have the dji v2 with caddix vista and i have the original fatshark dominators with simple upgrades like power button, antennas.. etc. i guess it really depends on your intentions i like the digital image but lets face it your not looking at all that detail when moving ,like looking out a window in a moving car. if you focus on those details eventually you are going to crash. yes they are somewhat heavier with shorter run times i would tell anyone just getting into fpv to go analog its lighter, cheaper and a good starting point. especially if you want to do long range stuff you almost have to go analog. besides analog has been around longer so they have had more time to perfect it. digital will become better in time im sure, but there are just to many of them out that are {newer} versions, that really are not much better than the first ones.....

[@dangerous8333]

As a photographer and someone that just looks around at scenery a lot, I completely disagree. It's like VHS vs high-definition movies. To use your car analogy, I would compare flying analog to looking out a dirty window. Analog is on its death bed. Digital only needs to solve the latency issues and analog would be done. The weight issue is being worked out as well.

[@matthewwilken2051]

@@dangerous8333.there's no debate that the image looks better digital over analog, i would maybe ask a few racers? most still on analog for obvious latency and speed reasons? i guess it depends how you fly, in other words if i pay too much attention to detail odds are im going to crash more often. so a go pro 5 does a well enough after flight image. i think if i wanted it for photography i would mount a real 35mm digital on a cine lifter or something similar. that's just a whole different style of flying,. because its the sd or saved image that your mostly working with after your done flying, not while im flying it

[@kloudfpv]

Bardwell what Mic do you use?

[@engizmo]

Could the dji one be upgraded to also carry a 2s lion pack? I wonder what flight time you would get out of it when using the 3000mah pack for cruising. Yeah it's a heavy battery. Can it be done?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I think that would be far too much weight.

[@engizmo]

@@JoshuaBardwell thanks. 🙏 Sub 250g 20min+ dji hd Cruising explorers... I'm thinking it's possible with a 2s or 3s builds on a light 3 to 4". Maybe there's no market tho as there's no one making one. 😥

[@ColbyBailey4]

Always a great watch.

[@christopherconkright1317]

I don’t know my Flywoo lens at 75/85 have air on it and fly great for me

[@Thrashaero]

Your house looks almost exactly like the one my parents had in Illinois

[@HeliFlightRCU]

Just want to say thank you, for these wonderful product observations and reviews.

[@bobbafett1971]

What's with the LQ 7:100????

[@nectronx]

like always a Great review ... I think the analog is the best one... just switch to a better analog camera ...

[@fpv_everyday]

I would go for the dji as I already have the goggles v2 .

[@itsallsobothersome4537]

Does the naked vista on a quad that tiny get a sustained 1200mw of power? Or does the power throttle down at some point to prevent overheating?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It only overheats if you stop flying.

[@willpowerfpv3246]

I built a 3-in AOS toothpick with a naked vista, and mine overheats in about 90 seconds if I'm not flying, in 20° C weather. If that helps.

[@steffanjansenvanvuuren3257]

Is it stereoscopic vision? So that you can perceive depth/hight?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

No it isn't.

[@PaulieShortcuts]

I own the dji and just got the analog. Dji came in LHCP, analog in RHCP. Am I missing something here? Do I need to buy new antenna setup?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

DJI V2 standardized on LH. Analog is most commonly RH. You're not using the same antennas for both analog and DJI right, so everything should match up.

[@PaulieShortcuts]

@@JoshuaBardwell I have the tbs fusion installed on the dji goggles, and all my antennas are omni stubby or LHCP patches. Just what I bought since my bubito and whoops had the small tail antennas with no markings-but then I saw the flywoo analog had an R

[@modocfpv6305]

Thank you for taking the effort of this comparison. The weight difference between walksnail, hd zero and dji are the same. So the lower weight of hd zero should still matter and the difference between walksnail and dji should be small but more relevant between hd zero to dji. To me the HD Zero is the clear winner. The advantage of a low latency link really shows. If Hd Zero could close the gap on output power (like 400-500 mA) it would be perfect for this formfactor.

[@KnowThings]

can't agree more...

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Yeah, but now try flying out further than in JB's yard! Oooops! HDZero can't fly any further, as we already saw the RAINBOW FULL SCREEN of death in his yard! lol With their TERRIBLE penetration, not being able to punch themselves out of a paper bag, if JB tried to fly any farther, even on his own property, that HDZero micro would really crap out! It's all in the technology. HDZero is fine if you are a very competitive racer that can feel the 3 - 6 ms of latency over DJI. But it simply doesn't have as advanced tech! Most of us can't feel that one bit! It's the #1 over hyped spec in all of FPV!! That's what Chris Rosser found to be the amount in his latest tests. I don't believe most of us can feel 6 parts out of 1000 parts that make up a single second (6ms)! Think about that and repeat that sentence very slowly. With 1200mw, and crystal clear video, I'd just buy the DJI, make some significant weight savings changes, give it a PID tune done just for the DJI version, and it'd be soooooo much more fun to fly when it weighs the same or less than the HDZero version! I know for a fact I could do it. I have a 75mm carbon fiber framed RIPPER that has a Naked Nebula Pro Nano camera in it and only weighs 38g. Very similar in weight to this analog Flywoo micro, but with 120fps, 810P HD image quality, 1200mw, and PENETRATION that is CraZy! Something HDZero, and their mediocre tech, can only dream of having! 🤔😱🤘

[@KnowThings]

@@KOrnhOliO1 sorry, don't agree. Some of us are very sensitive about latency. I'm not fast racer, but I can feel and don't like it. It makes me more confident to get immediate video and RC response than having the clearest picture.

[@stratos7755]

Can you do a review/test the latest avatar firmware?

[@dabfpv]

Yesterday I had the opportunity to compare Walksnail with dji Goggles 2 and AU3, video stream on Walksnail (in gogles) look a way better for me, but on stock antennas it had a slightly smaller range than dji au3. What I realy like about dji au3 is the DVR, it's great.

[@thefpvyawthority8106]

Build the original toothpick with modern vtx please?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I put a walksnail 1S vTX on the BetaFPV HX115 if that's useful.

[@gus8378]

What about on 3" 50-80g toothpicks?

[@willpowerfpv3246]

I built an 80g (118g auw) AOS T3 with a naked Vista and it's fun as hell. Of course it would fly better around 50 or 60 g, but definitely not an issue if you don't mind sacrificing a bit of performance for an amazing video link.

[@gus8378]

@@willpowerfpv3246 Filip Radelic made a 3" toothpick with a custom frame similar to the FPV Cycle Babytooth frame that was about 45g. He said the wind bounced it around too much so he increased it to 60g dry, and flies it with a 2S 600mah pack. He says that he'd aim for around 75g dry using a 3S pack.

[@gus8378]

@@willpowerfpv3246 I didn't know this frame, very interesting. What battery do you use? How does it fly? What's the flight time?

[@joelcollings5620]

Ive been wanting anouther analog whoop like the trashcan

[@fizihkull]

Shame that the HDZero vtx didn't have more power. I think if that little vtx had more power it would be my top choice.

[@615thAeroSquadron]

Thanks JB....great review!

[@RCDUDEFPV]

Great honest review

[@musicfreak115]

I have the DJI and love it

[@FormerlyDavid]

I'm still learning, and I'm puzzled. Either I misunderstood the terminology, or you didn't include ELRS. Does Flywoo not have that option?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

ELRS is not a video link. It's a control link. All of these four had ELRS ad their control link.

[@FormerlyDavid]

@@JoshuaBardwell Like I said, I'm learning. I think I need a For Dummies book.

[@cliffcurry5264]

that bot grinder shirt nice