CORRECTION. The Matek SAM8Q has an on board 3.3v regulator. It is designed to be powered from 5v power. Mine appears to be working. But you should solder the GPS power to a 5v pad not the 3.3v pad like I did.
@FreeDrone-n9w3 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me whats the quad version for 4s lipos? thank you! in get Fpv only see KV 28000 for 4"
@alexspera31163 жыл бұрын
*Flashbacks to putting the RDQ M8N on 5v*
@GetFPV3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your excellent overview and build guide Joshua! Hope everyone enjoys this DIY kit as much as we do!!
@michaelwblade3 жыл бұрын
I’m actually building mine now woohoo
@BigAlFPV173 жыл бұрын
Just about finished with mine
@MrDrivesafe3 жыл бұрын
Any idea when spare frame parts will be available?
@adrianrenner25743 жыл бұрын
i really enjoy your content, but i think a short flight with the new build quad would contribute these videos very well
@artply3 жыл бұрын
I built the QAV-s mini 4" a few months ago when the frame first came out. I'm using Dave-C 1404 2750kv and a JHEMCU ghf420 f//c. using vista with nebula pro and I love how this thing flies. it is a fantastic sub 250 build. great video Joshua Keep'em coming
@GabrielPass3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing out the weight. sub 250 is an important deciding point.
@jackmaddox49603 жыл бұрын
Take about a foot of dental floss, wrap it a couple of times around the middle part of the gummy, the skinny part, then feed both ends of the floss thru the hole in the FC. Get the gummy started in the hole, then carefully pull the floss thru, it will perfectly pull it into the hole. Then just unwrap the floss and repeat 3 more times! Works like a charm, and I've saved myself a LOT of grief since I learned that one...
@rcpete70553 жыл бұрын
I've built over 50 quads since 2017 😀 and everytime is just like the first it never gets dull and is always exciting😜 thanks Joshua 🤘🇬🇧 I split my time&funds between Scale trucks, eflite planes and drones.. P. S have the Indians been round your way? Because they scalped you pretty good 😀💛
@baggszilla3 жыл бұрын
I want those motors now! But the only way to get them is to buy the FPVCrate. And removing the screw is really the best way to install the Vista antenna. If you try to leave the screw in and swing the metal holder it's a pain to get the pin in the hole. Thanks JB!
@AndyPorter793 жыл бұрын
To instal gummies easier, do the floss trick. Take a length of floss, wrap around the gummy twice then put the ends of the floss through the hole and pull. It'll insert the gummy. Then remove the floss.
@Bryan-tm6kd2 жыл бұрын
I saw another video. To install those rubber standoffs you can tie a piece of floss around it, and then just pull it through. I have not tried this method but it looked pretty convenient.
@Rene200Y3 жыл бұрын
Where was the maiden flight? 😄 Thats the most satisfying part of building a quad and you should show it! 🤩
@hubieh33743 жыл бұрын
Watching you install that gummy was pushing my anxiety button something fierce!!
@AndyPorter793 жыл бұрын
someone has gotta show him how to do the floss trick. Take a length of floss, wrap around the gummy twice then put the ends of the floss through the hole and pull. It'll insert the gummy. Then remove the floss.
@minkorrh3 жыл бұрын
@@AndyPorter79 I could have used that trick while I was busy destroying the antenna grommets on my Chameleon
@lezartvert3 жыл бұрын
What kind if Man are you Joshua ??? I discover FPV in may last year...and next i discover you ! What a amazing story the hobbys FPV ! Thanks a lot from a little frenchi 👍👍👍 🦎✌️🎈
@vinanderson25353 жыл бұрын
Nice. My 4" Roma running 4s 18650 is the best fun for long range. Bought it as a bnf complete but I've completely rebuilt it over the past few weeks.
@Interceptor30003 жыл бұрын
I plan to do something like that with my 5" roma. Do you use 3 or 2 blade props?
@vinanderson25353 жыл бұрын
@@Interceptor3000 currently running two blades but I've been looking at going higher... Especially after Nurks video of 8 blade props 😂
@Interceptor30003 жыл бұрын
@@vinanderson2535 yes, those sound amasing.
@vinanderson25353 жыл бұрын
@@Interceptor3000 I'm just getting started but if you want to see I'm tehmagicnumber on ig
@jlarson423 жыл бұрын
You have the best build videos. Not even building this and I still watched. 🤓
@minkorrh Жыл бұрын
Tip......if using lead-free solder, crank your iron up about 20C higher, and use gobs of flux. Stuff is a pain. I never use it but some may have to.
@ZtowhyA3 жыл бұрын
my fav builder.
@crashflowfpv48413 жыл бұрын
Ahhh another build video!! Can’t wait to be able to start my first one!
@FLMan1803 жыл бұрын
Build it dude! I build my first one 2 moths ago watching JB it was a tyro 119 I been ripping ever since !
@crashflowfpv48413 жыл бұрын
I’m getting a list of parts together now that I’m hearing good things about, going to start ordering a part a week or somthing until it’s all here on the bench haha
@Moonsauc33 жыл бұрын
@@crashflowfpv4841 try and keep it simple. For your first build it's best to pick a kit with pre-determined components. And follow a JB tutorial down to the pennies. Or be absolutely sure your fc and esc are compatible/repinnable and that you know how to do all that. Personally chose JBs xilo build and there was still quite a bit of a learning curve. (frsky was the biggest) but i have been amazed of the performance and durability.
@crashflowfpv48413 жыл бұрын
@@Moonsauc3 thanks brother I appreciate the input!, it’s funny that 6 months ago I had never flown a quad of any sorts, ended up getting hooked after picking up a nano drone from target haha, I progressed through the toy grade drones pretty quick to my bugs 3, that was my first brushless motor drone. After awhile I was fighting stability mode because I wanted to dive and turn sharper, thats when I picked up my tinyhawk 2 and learned to fly acro!!, about a week or two later I got the freestyle 2, works great around the house but, Nowadays I’m flying my 6s PNP diatone f5 Roma for ripping and my flywoo explorer for just cruising around. But there’s always something different I would have done to these builds, that’s why I want to build my own and make it just how I’d like it!
@crashflowfpv48413 жыл бұрын
@@FLMan180 hows that 119 holding up?, I actually considered that as my first build but was talked out of it.
@Boostedsn959922 жыл бұрын
Great video very detail for new builders!!!!
@markcloudchaser8743 жыл бұрын
I'm not doing any part, But I do love to learn from you JB so Good Job on that, i saw NURK flying 20mins on the baby hawk 2 HD... awesome. I'm still waiting to pick my first racing quad.💯
@fleabiter3 жыл бұрын
Tip from me (noob)... dont try to over tighten that vista screw once you have attached the antenna. It strips the thread really easy.
@parker1ray3 жыл бұрын
I always add flux with a pen to every solder joint!
@toboldygo58232 жыл бұрын
Joshua Bardwell composes or build’s his drones the way Shakespeare composed a story, Poetry. Thank you Joshua. You explain everything clearly 😌👍🏻✨ 🦅 When it comes to entertaining Ken is in the building🕺🏼🤴🏻🥴😎👍🏻
@garrettglass88543 жыл бұрын
Sharing is tough. Thanks for sharing.
@coreyh.35573 жыл бұрын
A good way to mount the receiver is to use Velcro cut to size that way you don't need a zip tie or the tape. I do this with all my builds but either way works.
@KCQuadTronX Жыл бұрын
lhank you for another great build video I am learning sso so much more
@Bill148863 жыл бұрын
Great video, definitely thinking about buying the new DJI FPV drone and upgrading my freestyle quads to HD. One step at a time. Then build my 4th QUADCOPTER WITH DJI HD . The future plan is in the making. Thanks for the awesome videos
@MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful build, Joshua! Really nice! 😃 Looking forward to the maiden flight! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@phildawe71723 жыл бұрын
we appreciate your legacy, deadcat
@ftank603_fpv73 жыл бұрын
Well I got my DSMX receiver to work once I bought a new 4 pin connector and used the tx pad and proper SRXL2 setting. Thanks for the help on that. Unfortunately when I went to push the antenna onto the vtx the side pushed out of the mounting board and it broke I can’t get power out of it. I ordered a new one. I may try this one without the mounting board. My first build, it’s not going smooth at all.
@blakewallo22013 жыл бұрын
Waiting for that updated ultimate freestyle build video before I buy a BNF!
@ChadKovac3 жыл бұрын
I could, but then I'd end up setting it free like I did my Tinyhawk II. Good luck out there little fella.
@Rene200Y3 жыл бұрын
Where has it landed? 😄
@slowvova3 жыл бұрын
If you add some flux on wires you will get better infusion. Don't mean to be rude or something. Just a tip
@Charles-Darwin3 жыл бұрын
Great video this time. It almost has an asmr feel to it. Either way, it was at a good pace and in depth 👍
@MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын
Hey Joshua... The guy with the dead cat quad... Was he relative to Erwin Schrödinger? He must've been. I can't believe anyone else would do that. 😐
@friendlyfireentertainment3 жыл бұрын
But, then wouldn't the cat technically still be alive when it is flying around? Lol
@MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын
@@friendlyfireentertainment No, actually he would be both dead and alive. 😕
@silverhammer19923 жыл бұрын
The explenation of "deadcat" could not have been more enlightening AND disturbing at the same time 🙈
@zoltan97603 жыл бұрын
Right! How do you accidentally taxidermy your cat? Sounds like a prodigy to me?
@noforyoutubepremium31083 жыл бұрын
No Shit! 😖
@spearshaker79743 жыл бұрын
Now this poor cat who just wanted to die had to be immortalized as dead cat flying.
@wrstew12723 жыл бұрын
Saw the video when it came out. Now I love my cat, but when he gets to his expire date, I am going to respectfully place him in the the cat burial ground in the back yard.
@blackterminal3 жыл бұрын
@@wrstew1272 he's not going to fly?
@Pilot_Films3 жыл бұрын
Nice build Joshua!
@sailingminx61993 жыл бұрын
The bloody gummys are the hardest part to the build. So when are you going to release a JB frame would be interesting to see what you come up with
@wippo763 жыл бұрын
Nice build Joshua But come on that red tape....:( :( looking forward to the maiden and curious how long it flies
@MadDragon753 жыл бұрын
I was looking at your BYO kit from RDQ but I can't tell if my lite radio 2 receiver will work with it. That's the only reason I didn't. (Yes, I used the link in the description.)
@Afiso3 жыл бұрын
I'm going for the 3D print quad
@MadDragon753 жыл бұрын
He loved that cat.
@Vanblade16923 жыл бұрын
Have you had a chance to review the flight, interested to see how this flies and if there is any good endurance possible - I was been following your 4” shoot out and would be good to see how it compares against iflight quad.
@bluhammer062 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason I never see quads using the DJI air unit VTX? I have them to use and like the built in DVR. I plan on using Crossfire.
@hongk0ngfu3y3 жыл бұрын
eagerly awaiting a range test
@tmacnuke3 жыл бұрын
I recently purchased this kit but I’m have an issue. I’m trying to set it up to use the cadix vista for video tx and a radio master tx16s remote. I have dji goggles v2. Can’t get crossfire or frsky xm plus mini to work. It’s probably in betaflight if I had to guess but I just don’t have enough experience to figure it out. I can get the v2 goggles to pare but the receivers never pair to my 16s.
@shagam003 жыл бұрын
Which would be “better” for a noob...the BabyHawk II HD BNF or this kit for a 4”?
@shagam003 жыл бұрын
The price is nearly identical...I know one is 3.5” and the other is 4”...and the kit has GPS where the BNF leaves GPS out. Any opinions on the other components that would push me one way or the other?
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
The question is whether you want to build it yourself or not. I think building your own quad is the best way to learn how to repair it. Otherwise, once it breaks you're just buying a new one.
@shagam003 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell that’s fair. Thanks for the response!
@xymaryai82833 жыл бұрын
@@shagam00 for the first time I'd recommend buying instead of building, then learning to take it apart and repair it. it teaches you a lot without banging your head trying to figure out what you're missing or why components keep smoking ^-^
@CharlyDuesentrieb3 жыл бұрын
One comment about BetaFpv products, both complete drones and just electronic components: Keep in mind that their product life cycle is very short and quite soon you won't find documentation for an outdated product on their site any longer. So download any documentation for your product as soon as you have bought it to be on the safe side to be able to maintain it later.
@noforyoutubepremium31083 жыл бұрын
I found that to be the case with a lot of products. Here's what I do: I have a folder on my PC named "RC STUFF". In it a have sub folders for all of the main products I purchase. If I bought this quad, I'd go to the link JB supplies and I'd use the screen shot feature in Windows (snip) and grab a picture of every picture on the site. Also, if all of the included parts. I also find the pin out for the FC, ESC, VTX, etc and snip pics of each of those. Any other wiring or pin outs get pics and are saved in this folder. Then, 2 years from now, when all that is hard or impossible to find, I have EVERYTHING! Simple to find too. Need to rebuild, all the pin outs are there! Just don't wait long to do this and don't forget because it's so easy with this info and pics, but so hard when you can't find anything anymore! 🤔😎🤘
@brookelevin3243 жыл бұрын
What batteries does this take? Recommendations? How do you test that the connections are good before you put the top of the frame on?
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZfQYWigbKt3i8k
@stoiczfpv3 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to buy two extra rear arms and place in front for a true-x? Flies really good with dead cat tho!
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
You can just buy it in an x configuration. They sell both.
@orangure3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always ... no flight footage to see how it flies ? “Should I buy it ....?”
@carlperkins18123 жыл бұрын
Do you think it would even be on the channel if it flew badly? Of course how a quad flies is down to who is moving the sticks really.
@explodingevo3 жыл бұрын
Not a review, he's building stuff he got and affiliate links generate money. If a review doesn't come out, then probably wouldn't show very well in comparison to other choices in this category.
@rgilroy19093 жыл бұрын
is this compatible unit with the new DJI V2 goggle and controller?
@Interceptor30003 жыл бұрын
the digital version (caddx) is compatible to the googles v2. I dont know about the new DJI controller, the old one will work.
@3gypt1an3 жыл бұрын
12:30 .. just add a dab of flux paste to the pad and that solder would flow deep into it all!
@henryknox45113 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you took the impulse rc frames off your knowitall page, I bought a reverb using that as a reference 3~ years ago and STILL haven't managed to even break an arm.
@Freak0id3 жыл бұрын
Any idea of the flight time? Always good to know for a long distance quad.
@travot3k3 жыл бұрын
I placed an order for one of these today, and I noticed on the getfpv product page, it says that the analog 4 inch version comes with a TBS Unify EVO. Can you confirm whether it actually comes with the EVO or the Unify nano? Thanks for the build vid as well.
@rickybritton72123 жыл бұрын
Thank you Brother, your awsome, to take your valuable time and effort to help everyone, is off the Hook Cool, That's what makes you invaluable. Sincerely your freind from Mo Rick and God bless you and your family and are Great Country
@richardwebb87293 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video.
@timj58473 жыл бұрын
Josh when are you releasing your latest ultimate freestyles build video's?!
@509FUN3 жыл бұрын
What motors would be ideal for the tri blade 4” prop? Wouldn’t that be too much prop for the 1404 motor?
@claymclendon3 жыл бұрын
What’s the weight with the Vista setup? GetFPV site says 160g, but I would love to hear confirmation. Also are the arms thicker than the Explorer LR?
@beargrillz6133 жыл бұрын
i got the same fc on my beta 95x v3. why do you use dshot 300? i have it on dshot 600 and it works perfect. some thing that i don't see here? thx for all your great vids!
@ttonAb23 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the insta360 go2, I was hoping for a video from you on this?
@Gbmaster1373 жыл бұрын
So, is the 4" a freestyle or a long range? Cause the frame style is the one commonly used on long range, but it's being called freestyle on the product site
@QuadMcFlyFlies3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's kind of weird. I'd say it's a long range for sure. The arms are thin and light, not really tough for a 4". The 3" is more a freestyle, and my guess is they just copied the title over and didn't really think about it.
@blackterminal3 жыл бұрын
Leaded soldier is the best.
@Girtthquake3 жыл бұрын
Are capacitors not needed for HD setups?
@chrisyoung80623 жыл бұрын
Was there a maiden flight somewhere that I missed?
@MrMartinRome3 жыл бұрын
Is this a better value than just buying the parts? Can you order it without a receiver and without the Vista (I might want to move a Vista from another quad)?
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
You should email customer service to ask if you can get a no-Vista version. I bet they could sell you a box without one.
@MrMartinRome3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, but it would be more effective if you would ask them.
@Clif_Brown3 жыл бұрын
Nice video!
@gyfflyl59493 жыл бұрын
I‘m about to build my first drone... what would you recommend me? (Money dosn‘t matter) So i just want to say that i don‘t want a cheap quad or a very tiny quad
@Jaloman903 жыл бұрын
Build a cheap quad first, crash the fuck out of it while learing to fly, then move on to something else once you learned the basics. You'll also get a better idea what you really want and how to best spend your money.
@johnnytech03093 жыл бұрын
The cidora is a hell of a first quad. Although you do need to buy a decent charger and a few 4s packs Also if you dont have a transmitter you should get one first. This hobby can be pretty expencive to start in but theres always people to help
@noforyoutubepremium31083 жыл бұрын
What is the all up weight of the Digital 3", ready to fly, with everything but the battery?
@cowboyfpv24643 жыл бұрын
Hahaha don't bend down that's all my 3inch props do 🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌
@windybuns29293 жыл бұрын
I put on a 4s liion battery and smoked a motor. Not sure what happened. It flew ok the first few flights. This should be able to handle a 4s no problem.
@hickscorp2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to find a longrabge kit lime this one? I use DJI googles and tracer. It seems discontinued...
@blackterminal3 жыл бұрын
Are there cheaper 4 inch frames?
@joelewandowski82323 жыл бұрын
Nice solder joints . I can see it's not your first rodeo.
@parker1ray3 жыл бұрын
I would love to convert my 30 racing quads to digital, but do not want to part with the three grand! Hopefully someone will come out with goggles that don't cost so darn much!
@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf3 жыл бұрын
Hi Joshua, do you know where I could buy one of those GPS mounts ?
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
That exact one only seems to be available for this kit on fpvcrate. I can't find it individually.
@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell That's a shame, but thank you for checking
@crgamer38393 жыл бұрын
Hii Love your videos
@ftank603_fpv73 жыл бұрын
I had a few bumps in the road, but I finally finished the drone. Yesterday when I plugged everything in, I noticed things had a pinkish tint to them. When I took the drone out to fly, the image is really clear. My problem is grass trees pretty much half of the things I look at are pink , have a pinkish tone . I’ve gone over all my soldered connections, and camera settings. I do not see where the problem is coming from. Any ideas? Thank you so much
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a camera issue. I would ask FPV crate support about it.
@infosec18123 жыл бұрын
I want to make a Back To The Future DeLorean drone.
@claude7363 жыл бұрын
Hey I just bought this set and I'm still wondering what kind of batteries I should be using. I'm still pretty new to building and stuff so if someone could help me out, that would be great!
@509FUN3 жыл бұрын
Dude I have a basher build that literally has my crsf nano rx hot glued to the top of the fc
@divingfalconfpv46023 жыл бұрын
So running 6S?
@keepfly57712 жыл бұрын
Funny I was just thinking about how the dead cat guy should re do it with a "proper" DC layout. But the lore update has me confused now. Horse ahead of the cart situation here...
@kray973 жыл бұрын
I remember the taxidermy cat copter. I thought it was grotesque.
@TbbDroneTechCybervibes3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@lukasmohr973 жыл бұрын
1h review lets gooooo
@B3NSipodtouch3 жыл бұрын
Kinda pricey?
@zahimo2 жыл бұрын
Joshua, do you have a tutorial on how to build a cute baby like yours ? i will subscribe ...
@ftank603_fpv73 жыл бұрын
Im building the 4” kit, I have tried two different dsmx receivers. Neither worked, they bound but nothing in the receiver tab. I am looking at the dsmx configuration on the beta fpv website for the FC. They tell you to use the wires 2,3,4 from the connector. If you look at the breakdown of the flight controller number two is an RX not a TX pad. Wondering if that’s my problem? I need to use wires 1,3,4. Also it said to use Spektrum 2048, the receiver instructions (4065) say to use SRLX2. Any help appreciated. Im stuck !!
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
DSM receiver goes to rx. Did you solder the solder bridge? But srxl2 receiver goes to rx not rx. And you have to type set serialrx_halfduplex = on save In the CLI
@ftank603_fpv73 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell it’s the Spektrum 4650 receiver so I would need to use the TX pin correct ? The diagram shows it coming from the RX pin which is how I did it. Also I did solder the bridge and I typed that command in the CLI - nothing. My problem is I can’t try it with the other wire from tx instead of the rx as I cut it off. The diagram showed it as not needed. Can you help me find the correct 4pin connector to replace it ?
@jaxonfpv3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah I wanna 3d print a frame I can make a 18650 1s long range setup
@PhelixHerrArse3 жыл бұрын
Been watching you put gummys in boards wrong for years now...do the DENTAL FLOSS method! Make your life easier!
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
Dental floss is a pain in the ass. I don't even have string floss in the house. There's nothing wrong with the way I do it and it uses tools that I have right next to me on the bench.
@saurabhvaishkiyar14073 жыл бұрын
Hey i want to enable all the pin from 5 to 8 for aux channel in naze32 f3 using betaflight how can i do it?basically i want to use 4 servo but in my board at pin 7 only it is available (servo tilt).
@ItzSkullii3 жыл бұрын
Where can I get that tee?
@moek3 жыл бұрын
The 4inch “long range” is priced at $339 and you have to build it.... The other Bind N Fly brands are selling for cheaper and come pre-built! Not that building is a big deal but you have to put a value on everything..
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
The ability to build this yourself is a benefit. If you don't value it definitely get a bind n fly. The point is that you want to learn by doing.
@Pijawek3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell or buy all the parts separatly, build tlit yourself and still save a lot of money.
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
Do the math.... Frame is $45. FC is $62. Motors are about $60 for a set. You're already at $167 before you then add a Nebula for $150. Now you're at $317. Plus $30 for the GPS = $347. Plus three sets of props $12. Plus an extra-long XT30 pigtail. Plus a bunch of spare screws, heat shrink and zip ties. $339 for the kit is a discount, as it should be.
@charliejenkins79773 жыл бұрын
Can I have digital but then also put a different receiver? Pls help
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can. I build this quad with TBS Tracer.
@thfpv49743 жыл бұрын
Iv been through 2 fc both went up in smoke i have a smoke stopper that works..iv watched this vid 20 times and can't figure out what's going on ??????
@chrisyoung80623 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know the all up weight of this?
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
About 260g with an 850 mAh 4s.
@chrisyoung80623 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell That's close enough for government work.
@mrstubbs12273 жыл бұрын
That's the kwad I just built
@mrstubbs12273 жыл бұрын
But not in HD I made mine with all the tiny trainer parts
@friendlyfireentertainment3 жыл бұрын
LOL! I always wondered why it was called dead cat...
@mariossofokleous60753 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain to me why people design deadcat-style frames when you can build a true-x frame without the props in view like the HGLRC Sector 150.
@QuadMcFlyFlies3 жыл бұрын
Weight would be the primary reason. The only way you can get in the target weight range with a 4" quad without props in view us this type of geometry. You're looking at about 1/3 less total carbon compared to something like the sector 150. The sector 150 is also 3" not 4" like this one. That extra inch on the props makes a big difference. Basically on these smaller quads, if you want decent flight time you have to go as light as possible.