A new analog goggle in 2024? Why?! // SKY04X PRO REVIEW

[@bulufish8208]

Some folks don't know how expensive this hobby can be till u get involved. Me and my Amigos still fly analog.

[@andyd5321]

True story, I remember telling myself DJI can’t be that much better than my fat sharks 😂 now I buy vistas like sweets 😂😂

[@mattdena8070]

Took me about 1k just to get started. One thing they don’t understand is the drone ain’t even the expensive part, besides a digital air unit, the drone itself isn’t very costly to build.

[@MCsCreations]

Absolutely. And there are still plenty of good analog products!

[@citytouchstudios1144]

Extremely true but sims will save you lots of money and def don’t jump in blind I haven’t spent much I learned found great teachers and applied it : I was army 10 years no way I’m a keep breaking expensive shit . Yes fpv has the high rate of crashes . But the 4 P’s apply

[@MR-od1bv]

Same here.

[@NikG603FPV]

I still fly analog and love it.

[@M-H433]

So do I,he makes stupid comments sometimes.

[@jeremyboyce1537]

He's just being sarcastic ! Don't be too upset .😊

[@XxSylasxX]

So does just about anyone who races lol

[@dillacorn_linux]

I don't believe analog is going out the door because we all have lives and if you're into the hobby analog is just fine and fun and most importantly affordable. So if you went with an analog setup for your first fpv setup don't feel bad.

[@nfnworldpeace1992]

analog will only die if digital is the cheaper option, and its far from that! my complete setup cost around 300 bucks and that wouldn't even cover just a digital goggle so no analog isnt dead or dying. rulling on old skool fat shark dom 2 and that probably wont change for a year or 2 due to budget reasons

[@EricLaermans]

Analog got better, the analog cameras, the goggles.

[@moehrefpv9277]

yeah i just can not afford digital

[@overdosed51]

Digital is too expensive still. Until air units are 50-60$ I'll be sticking with analog 😂

[@StasysFPV]

@@nfnworldpeace1992 - golden words.

[@TL_RC]

Analog will remain very popular because it is MUCH cheaper per quad, and I can use ANY analog VTX with my analog goggles. Analog VTX's are also so tiny now (TBS Unify Nano), it is so easy to fit them into any build. There are too many digital FPV offerings, and you need to buy into DJI, or Walksnail, HD Zero etc... and you're stuck with them all the way. No one can agree on what digital setup is best, and having multiple digital googles is not a choice for most people... unless you run a successful KZbin channel or are a professional FPV pilot.

[@j3fron]

Analog main point is CHEAP and very efficient Analog will still popular

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

ironically these goggles ain’t cheap😂

[@GK-dd5ci]

​@@user-yk1cw8im4h But you buy goggles once every 3-5 years or more. It's one time investment but you buy VTXs much more often (break, lose, new drone)

[@conorstewart2214]

@@user-yk1cw8im4h these top of the line analogue goggles may not be cheap but they can work with very cheap analogue cameras and VTXs.

[@justinwright82]

$499 as of Jan 2024. I look at not wanting to convert 5+ aircraft to digital all at once, but the ability to convert over time is what sold me.

[@Vaeloron]

I really think that KZbinrs that thrive off of reviews lose touch with the reality of what this hobby actually costs when they are constantly given things or when they can afford to buy new gear as a business expense. Most of us can afford a new set of goggles maybe every couple of years and the difference in cost between a digital and analog drone, at least in my case, can feed me for a couple of weeks. Josh has added a lot to the hobby and many of his tutorials have helped me immensely over the years but as his videos have become more and more about digital FPV I find myself watching less and less. I spent the money and gave HDZero a good try but I have decided to go back to analog due to the added costs and complexity of digital.

[@relo999]

Same here. Complexity isn't even the issue, it's just cost for me. My Skyzones 04X from 3-ish years ago were 400, a given drone of mine is already 100~150 euro doubling the price of a drone and either adding another 200 (or replacement at around 350 on the cheapest) to my goggles is quite frankly crazy. It nearly double the cost of the hobby if I'd go digital on the cheap and it's not like I use particularly budget equipment. Compared to my first setup going digital on the cheap it'd more than triple the cost. I feel increasingly there being a rift between full professional equipment and hobbyist gear while the professional equipment is sold as hobbyist gear.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Frankly, there is just not as much interesting content to make about analog. What is there to say? What has changed? Occasionally a new camera will come out. I reviewed the Foxeer Reaper 2.5W when it released, and the Solo Max. Those were interesting. The new Caddx Ratel Pro looks interesting. But for the most part, very little has changed in analog, and so it's not that interesting to me to make new content about it. The unfortunate reality is that the majority of people in FPV now are using digital. Digital bnf outsell analog by 2:1 or more. The numbers for my beginner build kit are similar. When I did a sub-$200 build video, I used analog (obviously). When I reviewed the Flywoo Baby Nano and the Dragonfly, I included an analog version in the comparison. I have full analog vTX install and setup instructions in my Beginner Build video. There is plenty of analog content on my channel. But the reality is that there are now four main video systems: analog, DJI, Walksnail, and HDZero, and even if you were to weight them by user-base, that means the days when analog got 100% of the air-time are gone.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

@@JoshuaBardwellyou are right on analog marketability. It’s a well established and tested thing that doesn’t need much coverage. The only novel recent stuff I can think of are OpenVTX (where I am actually flashing new firmware on an analog VTX) and MSP control. BNFs and kits are not a good thing to judge the market though. For hobby use; analog systems out ship all digital systems 2:1 If you add the current military bullshit we are shipping an over 4:1 analog system ratio, depending on month.

[@Vaeloron]

@@JoshuaBardwell I apologize if the original remark came off more negative than it seemed. I agree with everything you said about digital. It is hard to find analog content among any of the FPV KZbinrs and it is indeed due to a market shift so regardless of my opinion it is not in the control of the reviewers if there is nothing to review in he analog world. Trying to find analog BNF's is getting harder and harder unfortunately as well so I am finding myself drifting more towards fixed wing FPV at this point. I think if someone wanted to really break the market they would need to offer goggles with both digital and analog built in from the factory and do it at a price point that does not require a second mortgage. If a company could come out with a quality goggle under $300 that could do digital and analog then, aside from selling out instantly, it would change the hobby forever.

[@conorstewart2214]

@@JoshuaBardwell what are you basing your digital BNF being 2:1 vs analogue on? If you are basing it on figures from higher end shops which tend to be more expensive then it isn’t really a fair comparison.

[@planet43]

Your comment, “ I’m old, and bitter about it” got me. You are a great teacher, will be sending you some $ as you have earned it. Thanks.

[@mervinw]

Trying to pick up this hobby, was lurking around during the pandemic and now just coming back in, and i must say, your presentation is still the best. Thank you for these videos

[@gonebdg]

I hope skyzone can collaborate and have a deals with WS and HDZ so they are able to produce proper fpv google for both digital system without leaving the analog.

[@ahodbikes]

Bardwell you may be older than me but you are so full of life and passion that you carry the energy of someone who is way younger. I hope this fire keeps you buzzing for a long time!

[@Vaeloron]

I am actually slowly converting my HDZero fleet back to analog. I have had the HDO2's with the HDZero module for a couple of years now but I am just not happy with the extra weight, cost, and battery usage and the range still just can't seem to touch analog. I also hated dealing with the two separate power cords when I wanted to fly HDZero. I have even put my HDO2's in mothballs in favor of the Fatshark Scout. I think that there are still benefits to analog that may not be able to be overcome. I have some analog VTX's that are literally the size of my thumbnail that use very little power. Even at low transmit powers digital VTX's pull a lot of power for the video processing. The power draw of digital on small drones has a noticeable impact to flight times. My opinion might be different if the HDZero goggles were not so stupidly expensive.

[@pongmaster123]

i've moved back to analog, its just more fun, faster, lighter. goggles on and everything works -> fly

[@CriticoolHit]

idk if analog is going out the door. Indoor 1s flight is best with the analog options for weight savings. when they can get that total package weight + antenna + camera down to under 8 grams analog is still king in certain areas. Also at those ranges the analog footage is near interference free.

[@chin-khaitang5228]

Thanks!

[@ChainsawFPV]

I am still using my SkyZone 03O's from 4 years ago. Bought them brand new as my first pair of FPV goggles, and have never dropped video or had any other issues. Even if analog is down to just whoop pilots, there are enough to justify new goggles like this.

[@musicmaestro88]

I've never flown digital (well - I've never flown a digital system of my own, I've flown some friend's digital stuff). I'm still flying the same analog systems that I flew a jabillion years ago when I started FPVLab (when did I start that forum 2009? 2008?? haha). Still got Lawmate vTxs - haha. I know - I'm a dinosaur. Happy flying!! Sentry

[@JonR35]

Analog still works for me, I have dji goggles but don't love the hobby enough to put HD units on my quads

[@dillacorn_linux]

Analog will continue to be relavant till HD systems get lighter and cheaper. Nothing compares in weight and price and even power efficiency compared to analog. HD Zero is the closest undoubtedly but in most cases analog is just fine for those looking to save nearly $200 on there first initial drone kit purchase.

[@bolpi95]

What kind of antennas should i use if the provided one are not ok?

[@ValleyFPV]

I fly Sky04 goggles plugged into a HDZero 4SMA vrx ground station via a long HDMI cord. I love it. No antennas and batteries on my head.

[@7passu]

Im still rocking the best stuff in FPV. The FatSHark teleporter v3 and CC3D Atom flight controller on a ZMR250 frame. Hasn't gotten any better yet

[@dyno241]

Still fly analog! Absolutely no desire to switch to HD anytime soon

[@SladeAZ]

Analog is not out the door yet, but it may be more known as the "beginner budget" option. I fly pure analog, and all I can afford, but it is great to see more development towards analog users.

[@Jesperkraakman]

What I am missing with digital systems is they are all incompatible, so for example some local people fly dji and I cannot look at their feed when they are flying, which is a aspect I really liked in this hobby. I do have a hdzero vrx bolted on my fatshark now, but there are still two other incompatible systems...

[@JakePickett-mz7lg]

Right with analog you just have to buy any vtx and camera with the guarantee it will work with any analog goggles you have. With digital It can be very very frustrating trying to buy a vtx with your exact brand of goggles, especially when your on a budget. Digital in the end will over come analog but not until they have the same compatibility.

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

feels like sometime in the future some sort of unification is gonna happen. an open source he system that is too good everyone just jumps on it

[@conorstewart2214]

@@user-yk1cw8im4h that’s what needs to happen, either an open standard or a full open source product like ELRS. A good open source product would probably pretty handily beat the rest of the competition, much in the same way that ELRS is.

[@derelictfpv]

​@@user-yk1cw8im4hHdzero is supposed to be that open source system.

[@Outdoorandfpv]

I'm buying these and hooking walk snail. Thanks for the review!

[@StarsAtNight1]

I have mostly foxeer t-rex cams on my uav's. Also the transmitters are really cheap, 15 bucks for 800mw and 30 for 1,6W.

[@michaelburke1310]

haha dude i've been through a lot of cams and vtx's, the t-rex and tank solo are my favs

[@conorstewart2214]

A half decent analogue camera and VTX is much cheaper than an air unit or other digital system.

[@JakePickett-mz7lg]

The 2 things about digital I don't like is there is no compatibility and price point on vtx. When buying a vtx for analog I just have to buy a vtx and not have to worry about what brand I'm buying I can get any period and it will work and there are cheap compared to digital. Digital goggles may have gotten cheaper but vtx and cameras are still very expensive.

[@MarkusRessel]

The DVR recordings of my Skyzone 04X Pro are all dated to 06.06.2018 - is there a way to set a date into the googles to fix this? makes it really hard to sort videos otherwise :(

[@johncarold]

Hi Josh, Great video and review of the Skyzone SKY04X Pro. I am one of those guys who are Analog Forever. I have a pair of Skyzone 03O and I love them. Unfortunately I don't have a income for this Hobby anymore. So im happy with flying in FPV in analog. I just can't afford to pay a extra $150 to $250 for DJI or walksnail. Thanks for the video and information about these goggles.

[@406fpv9]

Thanks for the review. I appreciate all you do for the hobby. $500 is insane for analog goggles nowadays. It's pretty sad when you can buy digital goggles for cheaper than analog. The better lower that price by about $250 to $300 in order to compete.

[@platyfpv]

They're good high end analog goggles, that's why they are expensive. There's no price range choice for Digital so it's hard to compare, but there is definitely some mid end analog goggles at 250-300€

[@FPV_ELIAS]

How to record the DVR ?

[@voltvolt-t6g]

Winter is upon us and I would like to fly my drone indoors. Is analog the way to go? What would you suggest a noob like me do? I have a Dji googles 3 and waiting for my Pavo20 pro from betafpv but they take soooo long and they already lost my package

[@j4ck32]

DJI goggles for over 600€ or Skyzone Cobra X for 230€? I don't think analog is dead...

[@conorstewart2214]

Plus with the analogue goggles you aren’t locked in to buying expensive video systems for your drones and they will work with any analogue system you buy, including the likes of tiny whoops.

[@ericstephany7305]

I have HdZero goggles and am having seroius problems with analog. I get rolling screen and it feels like there is lag, the display image is also horrible. Im not sure what the problem is but other people are having the same problem as me and there seems to be no solution. If you have any suggestions please let me know, I bought these for analog afterall. I use the rapidfire module. Thanks, I really apreciate your videos, def helped me a lot. 🙂

[@WinstonSmith1984]

Is it really true that one shouldn't use linear antennas with those goggles because it has a mix mode? One can use linear on the aircraft and on the goggles put the antennas at right angles to one another. Surely the mix mode will filter out the glitches nicely.

[@wasa7]

Yes I watched until the end 😂 I did work out the fail safe but there is sooooo much more to learn. Thanks for the continued content ❤

[@QSpeedRacer]

So wait walksnail google x have issues? Thought about grtting. Im usong hdzero with walksnail vrx. A lil frotn heavy so they lean forward. Really needs a top strap lol

[@TenebrioDemolitor]

Great review ! one info: what kind of antenna is the long omnidirectional ?

[@d3v-z3r0]

If you came from VR HMDs with 110°+ FOV, the 50/53° feels quite small, however it works out fine :)

[@Mateo_can]

I have problem with my emax tinyhawk 2 freestyle, he blinks 5 times red light and red light turn on and he does’t conect to betaflight

[@alliroggorilla]

i got one and i like it because i can fly cheap analog drones and if i actually wanna upgrade to digital later i can add digital input and have full hd screens.

[@michaelburke1310]

i'm still 100% analog and will be for the foreseeable future, it has unique advantages over any currently available digital system for my purposes, analog will always be king of fpv IMO

[@conorstewart2214]

I think they will still be the most universal until an open standard or open source digital system comes about, similar to what ELRS has done.

[@BodhiGeraci]

Remember when we didn’t have wide screen? NO! Some of you don’t remember when we didn’t have wide screen, because you’re children I’m old. I’m bitter about it I’m dead 😂😂😂 funniest Joshua bardwell quote of all time imho Also, fuck. I’m starting to realise I’m old too… because yeah, I remember CRT tvs…90s kid

[@petrokey]

Is it better then hdzerro with analog module?

[@benjaminwaldenmaier4587]

Well, I just bought these. I really hope they will ROCK. and whats sold me is that I can add a Walksnail VRX later and use that for digital. I really wanted to get the Walksnail Goggles, but I have read too many bad things about them, also Analgo on those is trash, and currently thats all I have.

[@simoneason1152]

Honestly these goggles seem like the perfect upgrade for me. I've flown exclusively analog for 3 years with Skyzone Cobra S (The S *not* the X), and have been wanting to get into walksnail down the line

[@TheDarkstar826]

Im still using analog even tho I have hd. We need both for different scenario.

[@amitshalev7340]

Is the a way for me to add pin risers and a 3d print for the module. And still use quadvesity?

[@revetastogne]

Well, it’s quite unreasonable to put digital vtx on a suicide drone that will explode a tank/moscovite, thus analog is used. Digital is used in bomber drones that drop the explosives and return back to reload.

[@fpfree8821]

Latency is the catch for me. Not saying higher latency isn’t flyable or that I’ve got crazy mad skills but that feeling of telepathy that you get from low latency is the core of my addiction. Like the change from cc3d* to kiss 6 or 7 yrs ago. * is that what it was even called? Been sooo long! Was cc3d clean flight or were they separate things?

[@platyfpv]

This. 100% Agree, Hdzero probably matches that feeling but the downsides of HD are just too much for me right now, price, vtx size, how in 1 year everything goes obsolete, man I love analog

[@TamilMediaTV]

Isn't it Eachine EV 900 gave this option back in 2018 itself?

[@videsat]

Today is the 13th of January. I had a chance to relax all days long till March... Thank you Mr. GoBuyNewStuff! 😂 Now I'm up to work! 😂

[@willpowerfpv3246]

Here's something that might be an interesting note for others that have farsightedness. I've been running the original 04 X for the last 3 years, and I'm a plus 1.75 in both eyes. It says that it's plus two on the far end of the focal adjustment range, except I'm at the very edge of what I can dial in as perfectly in focus. The issue is, as the foam surround begins to deteriorate, the Optics actually get closer to your eyeballs, and then your focal adjustment range becomes lessened. And for me, I do get the corners of the screen chopped off when I'm in perfect focus, because I need the surround to hold the goggles far enough away from my eyes, or else I can't stay in focus. I don't notice it much anymore, but I also can't put OSD elements in the top or bottom corners. These looks great, but I'm not interested in Walksnail, so I think I'm going to upgrade to HDZero goggles, which just happens to go all the way to a +6 focal adjustment. 🙂

[@dieterweik6858]

I dunno Joshua... your last remarks about choosing the Skyzones over the HDZ goggles didn't sound all that compelling. Sounds like I'd still go with HDZ goggles - assuming DJI was out of the question. Otherwise, very thoughtful review. Thanks!

[@bottledg]

If Skyzone made a goggle with built in HDZero and analog it would be awesome.

[@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347]

So is analog just old tech that is past it or is there a range advantage or something? (new to rc & fpv, obvs. lol)

[@norbert9852]

Hi anyobody,can you tell me where can i buy spare parts for skyzone sky04L gogles?I need lcos display for right side.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You would need to contact skyzone directly for this type of repair.

[@yannickmandaba1801]

More seriously. After I break a few more Cetus X VTX C04 cam....and since I bought 2 sets of these (FC Betaflight version)..I have 2 questions: Would you consider the VR03 BetaFPV good enough for what the analog world has to offer in the future? Would you get the first entry price digital one? Also I'm 50.I need glasses to play on mobile phone now... I like the focus adjustment thing... 200 USd seem a good price. PS/ I try to get my son to really try this hard enough (11 years old) to know if he'd like this stuff... We are struggling a bit with analog funky screen it's just horrible sorry to say. And I saw Thompson MO5, Apple 2C, I used to load games on magnetic tape 40 minutes for stupid game...ok? I'm VEEEEEEEERY patient but it took me too long to find out I broke the damn VTX and why is that? BECUAS eWe NEVEr KNwo WHEN THE DAMN CRAP HAs ENOUGh BATTERY AND POWER NOT TO MUCH FOr REMAINING BATTERY and y the tme I chec everyhing....yes...I have to change the battery. YEs I did the Low_Power_disarm stuff..but stilll. I'm suffering ! And it's fun ! But I'm done with analog. I finish to break a few more Cetux Vtx and then I want to know what is the best Drone for Acrobatic video taking where I get good image but can crash the drone without loosing too much moeny. I it the right place? No Forum² Discord I guess..yes...

[@Kondoosan]

I have just received my GoggleX. I want to use my cheap tools for my analogue copters for now. I have soldered cables from my Eachine ROTG02 receiver, from the 4-pin JST connector I take GRD and video to a 3.5mm plug for the GoggleX. The power supply for the ROTG02 comes via OTG USB from my mobile phone. The DVR also runs there. So I have everything from the digital and analogue world.

[@rcrotorfreak]

Joshua since we are in 2024 can you make a new radio what is the best goggles to buy? If money is not a problem?

[@feeltherainforest]

great review as usual, I've just sold off all my O3, thinking to get back to analog whoop and the 04x pro seems like the perfect choice

[@jamesbond-pr5jl]

I know I know but have you done a comparison of the speedy bee module?

[@jdnic1]

C'mon Josh, while I own DJI fpv system, It still can't fit in a tiny palm sized car XD. But the day it would be numbered to me is when they somehow shrunk digital fpv to the size of a normal whoop aio camera.

[@scu-dub]

I have analog gogs and not even top notch ones and I still absolutely love flying fpv I have been in the hobby going on 4 years and still fly the ev800dm....HOWEVER 😏 I really do want to fly in hd....but because I love flying whoops and micros I will always have a set of analog gogs ✌🏼

[@anorangebiker7009]

Hello mates, As DJI has a restriction of 10 Kms ... I am planning to build a 5 inch long range fpv to go 16 Kms (one stretch). Does analog support this much long range or should I go with HDZero or Walksnail ?

[@Vaeloron]

I have done 17km with a 400mw AIO analog camera. Specifically with the ZOHD VC400. In my experience you get way more range at a given power level with analog than you do with digital.

[@anorangebiker7009]

@@Vaeloron can I know what analog goggle are you using brother ? I am new to this hobby. I know cost determines the quality but if it were one to choose whats that you are using ? (Including the antennas for the 17km you have made it)

[@nicolassantibanez182]

Mr Joshua can skyzone pro work with hdzero goggles HDMI output? If yes I get one love 16:9

[@TaseenAli]

Been flying cobrax since the day it came out! And now walksnail with the cobra! This would be a great upgrade! Id say better investment then the new dji goggles.

[@michaelburke1310]

been running my cobra x v2's with a rapidfire for a few years now, solid goggle, plenty of performance

[@TaseenAli]

@@michaelburke1310 yea, i got the v1 rapidfire. Not bad for the price haha. I didn’t even update mine! I just had to re soldier the pint outs once.

[@mcbewild]

i started fpv with HD but am going towards analog from here on out on my builds... i just like it better. very low latency! my Skyzone 04x pro just showed up yesterday and i'm loving them so far! using a bit of battery but i'm still playing with all the settings to slow the drain. I love the fact that you can use 18650's, Lipo's and regular usb battery packs for powering these goggles. from what i been comparing, not all the analog goggles give you that many options.

[@tito9107]

These support high fps for walksnail?

[@CarbonGlassMan]

If there was a way to get the low latency with digital hooking up to analog goggles, I'd love this. Everyone once in a while I fly my tinywhoops and use my analog goggles, but I mostly use analog goggles for the FPV rock crawler I built for inspecting crawl spaces. The Toothless 2 starlight camera does a lot better under a house than the digital systems. As much as I'd like nicer analog goggles than the Sky 03o goggles I have, I can't justify the expense. Regardless, I love watching the reviews.

[@DerFette93]

Check out HD Zero Digital FPV with only 1-2 MS more latency than Analog and also realtivly good low light performance

[@CDRaff]

16:13 Walksnail likely calibrated the image produced by their screens to their camera, whereas Skyzone left the image alone because the user will likely be using them with multiple different systems.

[@conorstewart2214]

Exactly, the sky zone goggles are just set up for generic HDMI input.

[@regular_user]

Digital is superior in terms of quality, yes. But if we will speak about range... Analog is superior (especially with the transmitter drone in the air). 30-40 kilometers without major input/output lag? Easy. But I would choose HDZero Goggle. First of all because of ideas that stands behind it.

[@fcorefpv]

I’m actually thinking on switching back to analog.

[@lxsswxrds249]

Hey,anyone made quadversity on sky 04x pro?how its going?

[@maceliusfpv370]

Cause you just pay for good optics and get to plug whatever receiver or input you want in to them, and backwards compatibility with all your old whoops etc to boot (one less goggle to lug around).

[@BryonGaskin]

One doesn't need Digital on every build. Think bashers and scratch build wings (the FPV market is bigger than just quads). You can go ultra low budget in analog for some builds for video ($10 VTX + $15 camera), there's not even a low budget for digital, just high, and OMG that that is crazy expensive.

[@crownedtruth]

Does anyone know if he wears contacts to use the goggles? Or is it just not bad with the screen so close?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The goggle have adjustable focus.

[@crownedtruth]

Thank you!

[@nevTk-oe9ud]

Question mate, can I use these goggles with the digital add on, and use headtracker ? For a warbird I’m thinking of doing , headtracker mount alrdy done ,3d printed I’m excited digital is just so much clearer for an old fart like me lol 😅

[@kandredfpv]

What, no Walksnail VRX latency test?

[@yoeycrack1]

Please HELP Question I just jumped into FPV with the Avata 2 so I have their DJI Goggles 3 and their DJI their controller but I found out real quick (maybe 10 flights in is your worst crash is when you get cocky) ANYWAY I would really like to start doing my own Builds do you think For the Price to I switch to Analog so i can practice more? To me that sounds counter productive because I already have their goggles and controls so would i be better just buying their O3 flight controller stack that they started selling and just find the cheapest spare parts that means each new build would be at least $230 because that's what they charge you for the all in one stack with camera and antenna makes sense for me to just get that and try to keep the rest of the build under $70, Should I go with option 1 or 2 if you say 1 can you recommend a good radio controller, plus goggles that would be the best bang for your buck but I dont have a lot lol Thank you for your time

[@brandon9689]

As of right now you can't even use the 03 unit with the Goggles 3 if you wanted to. They work with the Avata 2 and like 2 other non FPV drones until DJI decides to update them.

[@rubberonasphalt]

Brandon is correct. You can't use DJI Goggles 3 with DJI O3 air unit anyway. My advice is to get an FPV simulator and practice there first. DJI has a simulator that you can practice with, when you connect your DJI controller to a PC/ Laptop. You can try to learn on a real quad, but you're going to crash... A LOT... Even people who flies DIY drones, practice first in simulators like 'Liftoff' or 'Tryp FPV', so they get better skills in flying

[@yoeycrack1]

@@rubberonasphalt I can see DJI is the future as of right now no other company has every FPV website in the ad showing DJI goggles So I'm parrying its a matter of time I think the ban is slowing it down a little but it should be pushed soon even if they don't come out and start selling their new O4 Air Unit in the Avata 2 (Which from day one IMO they were stupid not to release the O4 at the same time) I acutely found a descend deal on ebay for $400 I got a Hobby Mate d6 charger bran new 10 1300mah 4s batteries along with Frsky(Upgrading to RM Boxer ELRS its in the mail atm) Vortex 250 Pro (Which flys like shit it cant even hover with no wind and im scared to plug it into beta Flight and the Goggles that came with it was Fat Shark Dom V3 Their ok but I saw the Goggles the chargers and battery as the prize I was mainly after the goggles so I can start my own builds now for Hobbies side but Their is no question no Doubt for the MAJORITY of people they can use the Avata 2 and get great FPV fun and shots and if you are really good like me you do dives and SpltS invert all day long lol

[@baggszilla]

Great job JB and SkyZone! Really nice analog goggles!

[@bigbean7273]

i got into fov back in like 2016? 2017? and i kinda left it for a long time due to the costs, now im tryna get back in and everything feels much more complex, but can i ask what are the pros and cons between analog and digital? im still skeptical about digital being high latency, im probably still gonna go with analog because of the price and because im still stuck in the past, but whats digital like against analog?

[@rubberonasphalt]

FPV is not really more complex now, just new stuff that you haven't experienced yet For digital like DJI, the first time you look through the goggles, you're going to say "Wow!". Because the image is so clear and crisp. You can see objects so much more clearly, and color is really beautiful compared to analog. You also don't get image breakups as often on digital. The image clarity is pretty much the main difference between digital and analog and why people like it. I have both, and while I do enjoy digital, I still fly analog. Stick to analog, nothing wrong with that. But if you ever get curious about digital, look on 2nd hand markets for cheaper DJI goggles and VTXs. I see people selling them all the time on Facebook Market, so it won't take long to find a deal if you're patient and keep looking

[@bigbean7273]

@@rubberonasphalt thanks for the reply, my comment is 12 days old, i changed my mind like 10days ago lmao. im going with walksnail, holding out for a bit to see if they fix the goggles x a bit more then im going in. hahaha

[@rubberonasphalt]

@@bigbean7273 no probs brother, enjoy! Just thought I'd help as these comment sections rarely have anyone replying :)

[@bigbean7273]

@@rubberonasphalt aww thanks a lot for being considered mate, im looking to get back into the hobby, so pricey now hahaha, parents arent very happy with me wanting to buy stuff like this, but u too, HAPPY FLYING!!

[@JL-lk2on]

Interesting that you and the other two reviewers I’ve seen go over these state -2 ~ +6 diopter adjustment. However Skyzones website states -6 ~ +2. As a -5.5 this is a big difference! Hopefully Skyzone is correct as I’ve got a pair otw 👍 I was still rocking the EV800D’s and want to go all the way Analog with a side of Walksnail. These seem to be the best game in town for my needs.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's -6. I misspoke.

[@SilverbackSasquatch19xx]

I still fly analog, I like the idea of digital but it’s heavy and analog is still plenty fun and reliable and light and breaking analog is much more affordable to fix

[@pongmaster123]

exactly

[@SilverbackSasquatch19xx]

Also when you have a favorite vtx or multiple quads you’ve put on a certain channel you like it’s just a lot less headache than changing them all over for them to fly worse overall but see better. I would go digital for something specific but I can fly analog for anything

[@pongmaster123]

@@SilverbackSasquatch19xx and its a lot faster and simpler. goggles on the head, power on, fly

[@SilverbackSasquatch19xx]

@@pongmaster123 great point, I love me some analog!

[@steamvogue]

Analog is used in military FPV. you got the point

[@вечная_мерзлота]

I strongly doubt that. it can be easily intercepted.

[@steamvogue]

@@вечная_мерзлота what are you doubting ? All Ukrainian front now uses analog fpv for kamikaze, bombers , planes . Etc . Interception doesn’t matter as it’s useless , everyone can see how drone makes Fmeatball from orcs or exploding ruzzian tanks/vehicles / troops. Thousands of drones daily with analog FPV. Because of that there is lower bands video, non standard bands used . Not to hide but improve distance and expand video capacity .

[@CDRaff]

A digital VTX and camera are the most expensive things on a custom builds and they nearly double the price of a BnF. If you're a KZbinr who is getting stuff handed to them that cost holds no bearing, but to actual real people though... Especially if you are doing risky stuff like long range or bando bashing. Until I can replace a digital VTX and camera for less than $80(the cost of a high end analog VTX and camera) than I'm not going to make the switch. Edit: Also want to remind Bardwell that HD-Zero is open and someone like Skyzone could very well make an external HD-Zero external VRX that is fully compatible with their goggles. Hell Carl could up and decide to revise the external VRX.

[@Vaeloron]

It seems that this money is no object take is pervasive among KZbinrs that are frequently given things to review. This isn't even a specific issue to FPV KZbinrs. I think that for all of the helpful information that Josh provides he has fallen into the same trap where he has lost touch with the true cost of this hobby. Most of us can afford a new pair of goggles maybe every couple of years. It also seems like the difference between an analog and digital BNF is typically around $100 which is a hard pill to swallow.

[@Magneticitist]

It looks like they actually put decent lenses in them this time, which makes it so it's not mostly worthless.

[@fordboyzzzz]

why cant they put head tracker on the flash ones.

[@conorstewart2214]

You said that the HDzero not doing 90 fps on the goggles was due to the standalone receiver not outputting 90 fps, isn’t that something that could be fixed with an updated standalone receiver?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Hypothetically, yes, but HDZero has not given any indication they plan to do that.

[@conorstewart2214]

@@JoshuaBardwell right so the issue isn't with the goggles themselves it is with the HDzero standalone receiver.

[@eastcoast8435]

I would have loved it if you'd also gone over the HDZero receiver modes like you did the walksnail. I get the results would likely be much the same, but you never know.

[@folvo_0076]

I'm starting with this hobby, so my first choice is obviously analog. I think this hobby is still good with analog system.

[@jfriar]

Im staying analog. Ill buy your old stuff on ebay if you like! 😊

[@zachmachina]

Keep in mind the walksnail vrx doesn’t currently output 100fps in racemode. The 100hz screens are therefore really just for standard 100fps walksnail. It’s otherwise completely pointless compared to the 04X V2’s 60hz screen. Having owned both, you’re better off separating out your goggles. Get the 04X V2 for analog. For walksnail, get walksnail goggles. Even the old walksnail goggles which are really cheap now are better than the vrx. And by the time you look at the cost of the vrx and extra cost of the pro, it’s hardly any more expensive to get 2 sets of goggles.

[@MADEWITHROBOTS]

I need to know more about that t-shirt, please

[@TechnicallyTom]

One thing that you don’t mention as an advantage but clearly demonstrate is that paired with the Goggles X, you can have wired audience mode that doesn’t have reduced bit rate like some systems and has the advantage of retransmitted packets. This would give an experience more like what it’s like to actually fly than the real audience mode.

[@pwncity]

I still use skyzones 02x daily. They're great and analog is great on the wallet. Also pretty much the only option for 65/75mm with any usable battery life. Analog is here to stay broski

[@JinKee]

The one thing i like about my skyzone 04x pro goggles is that they boot up instantly when i want to freestyle, while my HD Zero goggles take a few seconds to boot up.

[@shiggzitiz6463]

The price tag though... ive never known an industry like this one where you can release a practically outdated bit of hardware and charge in line with the most recent tech... its frustrating for budget consumers! I struggle to justify the cost to get away from my Sky02s but i desperately want to, its just insane prices whatever route i take.

[@Vaeloron]

I agree. I think that box goggles have developed a stigma due to the market being saturated with low quality offerings but a well made box goggle in the 100 to 200 dollar range can actually be quite good even compared to some of the high end OLED goggles.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Everybody is annoyed that analog FPV goggle price doesn't come down, because the goggles don't change very much for years at a time. But why would the price come down? The micro-display in the goggle is an extremely niche product, usually intended for camera viewfinders. They are bought in extremely small quantities. The OLED micro-display optics module in these goggles probably costs $200-$250 from the manufacturer to Skyzone. I would guess the BOM cost for these goggles to be around $350. So when they sell them for $500, that's actually a pretty reasonable profit margin. As long as cost to manufacture stays high, price to the consumer will stay high. Old tech only gets cheaper when 1) there is a huge surplus of last-gen stuff that has to be gotten rid of, and 2) when manufacturing of the old tech gets cheaper as a result of advancements in manufacturing. Neither of those things are happening with FPV goggles.

[@Vaeloron]

I think part of the problem here is that we lost the middle of the market years ago. There used to be a lot of mid-tier goggles on the market. Now, with a few exceptions, we are finding either trash box goggles from Amazon. Or high end OLED goggles. Now we are at risk of losing the bottom of the market entirely which will keep a lot of fresh blood out of the hobby completely.

[@cwwisk]

Thoughts on Goggles-X?