Best Cinewhoop | Taycan vs. Bumblebee vs. Squirt vs. Kopis | PART 1

[@clementthoo]

This review/comparison came out at just the right time for me. I've started my fpv journey about a month ago. Got the jumper t16 plus, fat shark hdo2 (no receiver module yet, waiting for restock of RapidFire) and I've been practicing for about 2 weeks on various simulators. I'm at the stage now where i can reliable complete the FreeRider carpark scene. So I'm ready to move on to the real thing. Was considering the TinyHawk S as an intermediate step before graduating to a 3" CineWhoop. So thanks a bunch JB. Your videos have been a huge influence on my journey.

[@MaxBeamer]

These shootout vids you make are my favorite for sure I know they’re probably a pain but it is v appreciated!

[@JakeSloan]

I got my iflight bumblebee and have been having a blast with it, however their stock filter settings were making the motor HOT so Ive been adding more filtering and testing. I look forward to seeing your setup video on the bumblebee. I'm curious to see how close my settings end up with yours lol Cheers from Alaska and thanks!

[@DanRichardsonTV]

Jeez, is there anything you don't know about fpv? You're a fountain of knowledge, great info! Ordered my Diatone and now watching video's that tell me I made the right decision 😂

[@ViruDroon]

Best intro ever 🤣🤣🤣

[@AbdulAleemShekhani]

And I love how you hugged them again at the end :D

[@davet2563]

The flare on the ducts actually creates an airfoil when that section of the duct "leans" into the direction of travel, this produces more lift on that side of the duct and will help level out the entire quad. It is essentially a mechanical self-leveling system.

[@TheDstizzle]

Awesome! I've been waiting for these videos before I buy a cinewhoop. Excellent analysis so far.

[@nikfpv3456]

I assume you've already shot these episodes but one thing im curious about is noise. I know this class is very loud because of the ducts and it would be great to know which of these is quietest, especially because they are often flown near people. Thanks!

[@XZLR8N]

Looks like you need someone to take a cinewhoop or 2 off your hands...

[@Zeesneakyninja]

XZLR8N I’ll take one too lol

[@jumpalottahigh]

Well, I mean if you're handing them out, sure, count me in for a cinewhoop

[@papagameing1057]

Yo let me get in on this deal

[@konkor9940]

i'll take one

[@DamianE-2007]

I'm 40 sec in and this is already one of my favorite JB videos

[@neilfpv]

It's great that you talked about "analog in a multipath environment". That just tells me I really should buy DJI goggles. Thanks a lot! You are awesome Joshua! :)

[@Philberton]

Thanks for reviewing these. Few things I'd be particularly interested in in the next few videos if there's a chance: - how much of a pain will it be to install a FrSky receiver? - to what extent can they still do freestyle/acro stuff? - are these worth pursuing over a 5"? (do you lose out too much on flight time?) - last and least -- do the ducts actually work? I feel a purchase coming on...

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The ducts are scientifically proven to work. Andy Shen has published his test results on how he designed his ducts, and he's not the first to explore the idea. Of all of these guys, his is the only one I'm sure actually put some R&D into thrust testing the ducts, vs. just doing something that looks good.

[@casualsuspect]

Phil Edwards did you ever get answers to these questions? I have the same questions.

[@toastedmangoflight]

Love your content Joshua...Not sure if this would be considered as a vlog to talk about, but would it be possible to do a prop noise test on maybe the decibels on these cinewhoops? I'm thinking on maybe a test to see what company has the lower decibels when it comes to flying these around. I hope I made sense. Thank you!

[@julien.f2042]

Fantastic! Exactly the videos I'm looking for right now! Can't wait for the next one!!!

[@Dcscockpit]

Completely unrelated but....you know we all joined all these channels (not specifically yours) to watch all these excellent pilots fly, now I struggle to find any flight videos from you guys, when I see one come up I’m so excited to watch it, everyone has moved to reviewing and pushing products and we miss all the flying, I know it’s how you make a living but...

[@JoshuaBardwell]

My last flight video was 1 week ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6HJhpV3bdOmiqc The previous one was 1 week before that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3Kcp52PZtVjaLM There are also always flight edits in my vlogs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z53anH6pYrSLiq8 Enjoy!

[@anthonyshort8957]

So much insight and useful information in one video. Thank you for this.

[@quadspeedfpv]

I’m with you josh I love my cinewhoops thank you for the side by side.

[@jacobwahaba8043]

Thanks JB! Probably no time for this round but can you take a look at the iflight megabee As well. I think it’s significantly lighter than them all plus has those flared ducts.. I think it needs to be considered in its own light instead of taking I flights word that the bumblebee is just an improved version of it! I’ll leave my shopping cart empty for now lol. Thanks again!! You’re the man!

[@JoshuaBardwell]

iFlight elected to send the Bumblebee for this roundup.

[@jacobwahaba8043]

Joshua Bardwell haha ya I figured! maybe next round! Idk why I'm so drone to it haha

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic, Joshua! Looking forward to the next videos! 😃 Yeah... Maybe I get or build one... 😬

[@peregrinussolutionsllc6010]

Another great video as usual! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

[@raymondwilliams6878]

I am literally ordering my frame within the week...have everything else ready to go to build my own! This helped confirmed my decision! Thanks!

[@Pile_of_carbon]

7:00 I'm guessing PETG. I doubt PLA could bend like that without breaking or deforming. PETG is almost as tough as ABS, but much less toxic, less warping and prints at a lower temperature. It's my material of choice for functional parts.

[@djSpinege]

Funny to think we've been playing around with ducted quads for around 5 years now but it never took off until now. first video i saw explaining in great detail how the duct acts like a wing was on RcModelReviews video "How ducting a propeller increases efficiency and thrust".

[@Skankhunt-42-]

Good start to the review. I agree with everything except using a throttle cap. Doing that you're at the point where you may as well just use a 1408. But, I have built a megabee, bumblebee and taycan all with tmotors, f7's and DJI and I can easily get 6-8 mins of cruising with a 1400mah battery so I wouldn't consider them to be crazy battery hungry.

[@TheDroneNerd]

Dale Pattison what size motors do you use on yours?

[@Skankhunt-42-]

@@TheDroneNerd 1507

[@Skankhunt-42-]

Tmotor cinematics on all

[@outboxfpv4360]

Hi sir is it safe keeping the usb angle connector in the FC all the time?

[@DamianE-2007]

Does a tiny whoop have any advantages for making cinematic style footage over a 5" when space isn't an issue? I run my 5" at 20 degrees and the only reason I can think of to invest in a cinewhoop is to fly near people. What am I missing?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

To fly near people. That's a good reason don't you think? When flying in tight areas and you bump the wall, you don't damage the wall, and you don't crash.

[@dronestatenl6336]

The best intro ever 🤣🔥💪🏾 I was waiting for this video

[@dennysusilo1474]

Hi JB,.. please review the level of sound produced by each Cinewhoop. Thanks

[@itzdr3z1l]

Where’s the spreadsheet link you mentioned regarding the comparison specs?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Ah crap. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QDlIwijbKUNgGUILegM5RKBKSuZo6tHry8HJvBXhkGw/edit?usp=sharing

[@AladdinElSherbiny7]

Great vid always learning from you! Waiting for my taycan still, bad timing to order from China lol, also got the 6s model so hopefully this would make a difference as i want it to have a bit of freestyle

[@rodriguezperalta3212]

Your videos are a must to watch for anyone in the hobby. I am new to it and I am looking for a 3" cinewhoop with HD camera (4k Hybrid) and GoPro mount. I would love to try the DJI system but it is just too expensive to start with. So is there any BNF you recommend. What about cinequeen, but I am not sure if it can hold a GoPro. Or would it be better to build my own?

[@djdubz]

joshua for the kopis, just put a hex driver in both screws (top and bottom). then you don't have to grip the standoff to take it off. I'm sure that's what you did, but some might argue that's better, so you don't scratch your standoff (that you can't see lol). awesome vid btw! looking forward to the winner video later this week. oh wanna c flightfootage of these guys too. next video?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Then the bottom screw backs out, and that doesn't help me install the gopro mount. Then what do I do?

[@djdubz]

@@JoshuaBardwell That's a bummer. I don't have one, so maybe not greatest suggestion. But would make sense, I would think? Maybe some turning on both ends of the hexes in oposite directions? or how about once you get the bottom out, use permanent locktite to get it stay put? just some suggestions.

[@alexisevanger7458]

That intro was uncomfortably sensual and I'm here for it.

[@gammagonad1657]

I will have all the parts for my Squirt by tomorrow. 1507 T motors, a choice between an iFlight SuccexD F7 micro 20x20 or a HobbyWing F4 stack w/60amp ESCs. I also have both a spare DJI air unit and I snagged the very last DJI Vista from ReadyMadeRC. I might just go for an “ultralight” HD Squirt. Haven’t made up my mind yet. I already have three sets of ducts printed out(saves me $40 a pop)! I got mad options. Now I just have to make up my mind on what I’m going to use. What would you guys use, from my parts list?

[@satorimystic85]

Me earlier today, "time to pull the trigger on getting a cinewhoop, now to figure out which one..." Liked before watching. Yer psychic

[@nathanfpv3927]

Can you also link where to buy that gopro hero8 mount for diatone taycan? And also i will wait for your next video on how to set it up. Cheers and Thanks Sir 👍👍👍

[@spartan-fpv6936]

Hello Joshua, very cool review cant wait to see what your thoughts overall on these cinewhoops is, very cool.👍🛸

[@charlesc7020]

Thank you for all your vids just watched a 3 year old one saved me alot of time THANKS!!

[@enarramore77]

Great video, can't wait for the flight comparison. I just got into fpv and my first drone is the squirt v2. Previously I been flying dji mavic air, pro and phantoms.

[@AlanzFPV]

Bought the bumblebee in 4s. First flight out of the box hovering indoors motors were too hot to touch afterwards. I did have a 1500 pack on it and a GoPro Hero7 so on the heavy side. Any ideas?

[@7invi]

Need to see the iFlight Megabee in the next cinewhoops test flight video! Other youtube show bumblebee can't do powerloop well especially when it comes down from top but Megabee can do it well. still, consider which cinewhoop i want to buy. been waiting for this videos since long.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

IFlight elected to send bumblebee for this one.

[@archer4922]

Loving the looks of the diatone and the Iflight ones. But out of the 4 I’d take any of them. Lol

[@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf]

You have to test The GEPRC CinePro 4K HD. Not only is it a CineWhoop but you can also fly acro.

[@fpvkabo]

Do you have a link for the right angle usb connector all the guys have laying around, I sure as heck can't find it. Thanks

[@pirchoo]

Finally a comparison I have been waiting for quite some time! Still not sure which one to buy. HolyBro just suffers from design flaws... I would love support ShenDrones, but its too flex comparing to the others and too high-therefore the COG is more off. Dyatone looks cool and smart, but - not a fan of "Mamba" brand, quality, reliability, also looking at it just has waaay to many screws, and that iron cage in the front is just useless weight. So there is the Bumblebee... well... hmm.. maybe that one. Maybe its too yellow :) I would anyway swap their TPU Gopro mounts to be able to fit Hero's default cage, so you could change the angle, or mount something else, like a 360cam on it easily.

[@Prop-A]

Really great comparison video 👍Looking forward to the other vids 🤗 I really want one, and was thinking of building one, but I'm not shure if it is worth building, since the BNF are so low priced. I need more info to make up my mind. I would really love a budget cinewhoop build video from you, with no go pro. Maybe with a flat lens HD camera of some sort. Fish eye is so 2000 imho, and I'm sick of it. Thank you for the awsome content, these videos really help.

[@roystoys3239]

Great vid as usual! Question: are there any Ceniwhoops with barometer/altitude-hold? Since these are more "sport" aircraft than racers, having a stable camera platform would be good -- wouldn't it?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I believe most Holybro FC have baro on board but not 100% sure. In the end, you can always install one if you want, but baro is not very good by itself at holding altitude due to the wild airflow from the props, and GPS won't work indoors. What you really want for indoor stability is an optical flow sensor and sonar.

[@danieldimitri6133]

can a gopro still do analog video out? i think they used to have an adapter that worked on the mini usb port. racers wouldn't use go pros for weight and freestyle guys probably wanted to avoid latency and then the session cams were a thing and people moved away from heros for a while. but i don't see why any of that would be a problem for a cinema drone.

[@Kostamovaara]

Hi JB, I'm kinda interested of Taycan, but do you think Caddx Tarsier would fit in that frame?

[@LittleMissRollerCoaster]

iFlight Bumblebee and Diatone Taycan frames are inspired by this Frame-Concept from France (i think). They have cool videos under KZbin channel Black Bird FPV... gotta give credit to them for the designing of foam ducts! 👍👍👍

[@EnuffsEnuff318]

PETG is a good filament for this application and easier to print than ABS. PLA is susceptible to cracking if used outdoors in the elements including sunlight. Hopefully the mfg would know this.

[@notlewislevine]

PETG is my guess as well. PLA would shatter on the first crash. Could also be Nylon, new nylon filament prints as well as PLA if properly dried

[@BB-mk1er]

I saw some really insane filaments the other day. Cant remember them all, but I saw silicone, nylon, glass nylon, magnetic, carbon fiber, conductive, and more that i cant even remember. A lot of them need stainless steel nozzles to print because of how abrasive the filaments are. Another thing that I saw that was pretty freaking cool was a lil unit that creates and changes colors while printing from a single nozzle. Now, I have no clue how long this has been available, but I just saw it. Its a small computerized box that links to your computer and your slicer. You stick in a few different color filaments and it magically splices colors together in real time to create full color 3D prints from a single nozzle. Super expensive, but neat.

[@MagicFPV]

Hilarious intro 🤣 Very interesting video 👍

[@AbdulAleemShekhani]

Been waiting for this since the livestream!

[@zachmoir]

Another gem from josh

[@bradclarke2770]

really do love the in depth knowledge, thanks again!

[@zefixx6659]

Intro is gold! =O)

[@jarodfpv1099]

Just ordered parts for my 1st 5 inch build and now I want a cinewhoop 🙈

[@Walto86]

Taycan comes with spare part-kit that includes assortment of screws. Example longer screws to hold plate AND gopro mount.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I know but why not just put the screws in the standoffs so I don't have to go digging. Everybody is going to use a GoPro with this.

[@Walto86]

@@JoshuaBardwell That is true. They should put those in at factory. BTW try fiddle your esc/fc wire loom. In my Taycan connector at fc end was so loose that every bump restarted fc. Lucky I found this before maiden flight.

[@beechFPV]

ive bought the taycan. am interested in your setup files!!

[@SimpleMeFPV]

Your awesome Mr. Bardwell. ♥️

[@bewing77]

ABS really isn’t that difficult to print as long as you have a heatbed that can manage the heat and a good enough PSU. TPU is much more difficult IMO. If you want something stiffer than PLA but don’t want to go ABS I can recommend PETG.

[@FilipRadelic]

Re: digital vs analog for cinewhoop - Caddx Vista seems like it might be a great fit for these since you definitely won't be needing the on-board dvr and you save almost 30 grams. We just need to see how much worse it will be in high multi-path environments due to having a single antenna.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You're exactly right.

[@JuanTipay]

Stop it leonard! Nice intro!

[@simoneatough6391]

I'm waiting for the wave of quads with the Caddx vista unit.

[@SevaWeis]

Joshua? what do you think about Flywoo CHASERS?

[@bombetdavid]

Been waiting for this 🐝🐝🐝🐝

[@PortalFPV]

I just LOOOOVE my magnetic usb cable for almost all my devices. But I'm using the Baseus & Wsken brand with the 2 over 3 pins as opposed to what you are using (5 pin straight) because it has a taper to the magnet so there is less fiddling with it

[@HK_Martin]

i just wish there were more cinewhoop frames like - Bee Bumber by Frame concept. beautiful look, sturdy, and foam bumpers.

[@Viveksingh-oe2lh]

Can you please do a Terraplane build and try keeping it as cheap as possible

[@williamdecker3989]

I own an original Shendrones Liberty Ducted Quad! The OG Cinequad.

[@Sniper87t2]

thanks for doing this review Josh. This will definately help making the decision which one to purchase. PS I gave your name as an influencer to DJI when I registered my digital system. hope others did the same and they send you some goodies to test maybe !

[@TheDroneNerd]

Sniper87t2 Joshua can you confirm this ?

[@aviddigi]

Anyone have the link for the Hero 8 housing on the Diatone Taycan? Their site only has the earlier version housing for sale.

[@darrensmith8107]

1408 vs 1507 comes to almost exactly the same stator volume, as well as the Mamba motors are known for being extraordinarily powerful. I would not say the diatone motors are a disadvantage, the are likely more powerful than any of the others.

[@roystoys3239]

Could you please create a video for how to set up BF for maximum stability in cinewhoops? I have several and since none of them have barometer altitude hold, I have trouble with vertical yo-yo'ing when doing hoover shots. Surely there must be a way to deploy the accelerometer in such a way to minimize altitude changes when flying slow or hoovering. Since you're the master of all things BF, perhaps you could create a video called "Cinewhoop Tuning". I, and I'm sure many others, would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! :o)

[@tremorflow3614]

Havent heard of these, I have a GepRC Cine pro with an F7 2hat I love.

[@Asu01]

You can't simply say 1507 is bigger than 1408 based off the first two numbers. One is taller but narrower and one is shorter but wider. According to my calculation, 1507 has 329mm sq stator to magnet surface area whereas 1408 has 351mm sq stator to magnet surface area. This determines efficiency and power a motor can deliver. The taller stator is best at high RPM and since these 3 inches runs at very high RPM, that could be the advantage. These are all theories however, I'll look forward to your test flight to see whatever my claim holds up.

[@Asu01]

21:22

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You're right about the volume.

[@gammagonad1657]

I have a set on a 349. Very powerful and fast, but short battery life. I think the 1507, lower Kv and more torque, is a better option.

[@neilspye]

Joshua, thanks for the super content. Can you tell me what goPro mount you're using on the Diatone? cheers

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's a mount that was provided by Diatone.

[@neilspye]

@@JoshuaBardwell thanks! I've ordered a Taycan a while back so I'll see if I get a gopro mount 🤞

[@DroneSkinz]

Hey JB what about a Cinewhoop Cheater kwad? Wouldn't it be nice?!? Thanks for this shootout sir. A lot of us need a Cine in our arsenal.

[@superflanker07]

Best intro ever

[@joeracemoto]

It looks like they copied the Armattan Bumper Frame. So is the Armattan frame the first Cinewhoop?

[@proximityfpv1722]

wish you compared it to a high end diy.... I want max performance, but nobody helps make sense of that when it comes to cinewoops.

[@far5233]

I've made my own mix with a Taycan frame, Xing 1507 and KakuteF7...

[@leonfroehlich1362]

Should I go for the 4s or 6s Bumblebee? Any experience someone?

[@reel1186]

I'm thinking about 6s

[@thegrafxguy1]

don't see the link for that magnetic cable in the description?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's in the Product Links section.

[@thegrafxguy1]

@@JoshuaBardwell dunno how I missed it, I see it now. Must have scrolled to the drone links and skipped past the USB link. Thanks!

[@sparkyfever808]

Who’s the dude in the video at 20:00???

[@IshamPadron]

I'm guessing with all of the foam around the Tayan and the Bumblebee those are the only ones that float. Next video, see if they actually float. If they do that might be a great selling point if you like to fly over water.

[@Topher2024]

I went with the Megabee DJI setup... Team RED FTW.. good pilots fly without bumpers.=)

[@fcass]

Awesome. I just built one last night for my roommate using a tyro79 kit and a cool frame. It's taunting me on the table bcuz he forgot to buy a Rx. ;)

[@PinchTune]

After many hours of research, earlier this morning I ordered the iFlight frame. Keep in mind, this isn't my first rodeo, I mean cinewhoop. I've been flying a Shendrones Squirt V1 for quite a long time.

[@HeliGav78]

How do I get my t16 to alarm/shout out when quad battery is low?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKnXZ2Vpi6aAe80

[@HeliGav78]

Cheers!

[@Sniper87t2]

also love the intro !

[@zoltangremsperger5361]

my bet on the Diatone as best cinewhoop

[@BubbyFPV]

Caddix tarsier is pretty good, could be used without a gopro

[@ViruDroon]

I got iflight bumblebee. Gopro mount came with longer screws. Just saying.

[@Vohizu]

same here

[@shorty430551]

So I just an add for a knock off DJI mavic Called "Drone X Pro" definitely using footage from the junkyard where Bardwell and Rotor Riot put the quad through the windows.

[@ptuxbury]

From what I understand, the Drone X Pro is basically an Eachine E58 with a fancy marketing video and a price markup.

[@chrissturm5606]

Why no props or nuts on the Taycan for the weight comparison? Could you please post a weight for a set of those props and nuts or update the total Taycan weight.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The spreadsheet has the correct weight. Taycan was shipped without props installed and I hadn't installed them yet.

[@tenten8401]

The intro for the Kopis went pretty quick 1:42

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I tried to keep the intros short to get to the meat.

[@bradleydraifinger]

Any whoops out with the new caddx DJI system?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Beta 95X is the first I know of.

[@gammagonad1657]

Joshua Bardwell I was lucky and snagged a Vista from RMRC(very last one🥳). Seriously thinking about putting it in my Squirt build. With 1507 T motors, it should be pretty nimble.

[@marcomontagner4848]

It’s been a wile I was looking for a bumblebee and I was needing this kind of review so badly! Is it worth it? Thank Josh.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You'll know by the end of the week!

[@marcomontagner4848]

Joshua Bardwell I’m going to learn something else! 😉