JoyShockMapper 2: Motion Stick, Gyro Trackball, Binding Modifiers...

[@ananon5771]

>Tfw a Random guy made a controller mapper thats better than paid programs. In all seriousness,JSM is so cool

[@JibbSmartGD]

Not just one guy, though, to be fair

[@milkcube7396]

@@JibbSmartGD well thank all of you. For making my gaming life that much more enjoyable, lol

[@EtraGames]

The gyro trackball seems like the most interesting feature I'm looking forward to experiementing with, but at this point it looks like the tools seems to have everything it could possibly need! Congrats Jibb!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Much appreciated, Etra! While I normally say gyro controls are easier to implement than people think, the trackball was the opposite -- can't just use the raw velocity when the user pressed the button, because the button press itself tends to bump the controller, and then you end up making the bump worse by using that velocity. I'm pleased with how it feels now, though :)

[@DaraulHarris]

I don't even have a controller, but your videos are informative and I find them entertaining somehow. Keep up the good work!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks, will do!

[@Sebbir]

I really hope we are going to see more gyro related stuff with the next generation of consoles. Although my hopes are not high. I just want joyshockmapper on PS5 so bad!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Haha, wouldn't it be awesome to be able to inject these controls into any PS5 game?

[@Willie6785]

Tell me about it. Gyro is awesome, and makes aiming on controllers that much better, especially when comparing analog stick to kb + m. Too bad few games have it implemented, not to mention the (wrongly) bad impression most people have of it.

[@jackfrostgamer77stein46]

well, I use a ps5 controller so if you just want to use a ps5 dualsense controller you can.

[@stanleybowman-hood6194]

@@JibbSmartGD if Xbox had gyro and how easy it is to mod I reckon it could be ported to console

[@MrRonski]

Remeber when DICE refused to add motion controls to bf4 because they were a gimmick? And then proceeded adding motion controls in a way that doesnt affect gameplay (aka gimmicky way) If bf4 would have supported full motion controls. 90% of the shooters today would have the support nowdays...

[@saschathesas7628]

Man, I started looking on the internet for a way to use gyro aiming in any game. Nintendo made my fell in love with it so today I was looking in how to make it work for any game on PC. And boy, did not expect to find this. Not only do I have an answer for my problem but it's so good to see someone looking to bring controller play to the next level. Your flick stick really has potential and can't wait to try it out myself after figuring out the program. Sincerely, still can't believe the wealth I just found while looking for much yet. Keep up the good work! Once I figured this out gonna try to make a configuration for rage 2! :)

[@cmnweb]

Nice, i use your software with my 8bitdo controller and now love to play in my pc, greetings from Mexico.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Glad to hear it, thanks :)

[@Neoxon619]

After playing Overwatch on Switch, its gyro implementation felt weird & needed a ton of tweaking. If only it was more like JSM & just treated it like a mouse. Still, the config swap option will be a godsend for some games.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I got the Switch version on sale so I could see how it plays, but hear it falls so far short of its potential :( I haven't looked in a while, but from what I've seen, threads on the Overwatch forum about better gyro controls don't get much traction. Maybe the tide will turn, though?

[@stoopidhaters]

I don't like the Gyro Controls on Call of Juarez for Switch. I actually do better without it even with Aim Assist turned off. What about Crysis Remastered?

[@kadebass6187]

in an update a while ago back naughty dog added motion controls aka gyro aiming as a option to last of us part 2 also you should try mapping the touchpad as a scroll wheel or as a specific swipe as an action (whether it be a half swipe, a full swipe, a swipe on a certain area specifically, an up swipe, down swipe, left swipe, or right swipe) for weapon swapping as to avoid weapon wheels

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for the info! I've been keen to check it out, but I don't have a PlayStation

[@directedinput]

Really cool updates! The 'Gyro Trackball' mode is something that I feel will lead Gyro players to eventually using a technique called 'Racheting', which is something I and other users of the Razer Hydra (an old PC motion controller from 2010) use as a solution to the centering/repositioning issue with motion controls. Racheting is basically using a button to enable the input, and releasing it when you want to re-center. It's really natural and I found it to be the best way to use motion controls. If you want an example you can check my channel as I've been using the Hydra that way for 6+ years and have a lot of videos there using that method.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I haven't heard the term "ratcheting" much, but yeah, in practice that's what I advocate for rather than a "reset" button :) gyrowiki.jibbsmart.com/blog:good-gyro-controls-part-1:the-gyro-is-a-mouse#toc10 I know at least one JSM user has the right stick mapped to other in-game functions, so ratcheting is literally the only way to control the camera. I'll check out your channel -- I've been curious about the Razer Hydra for a while!

[@spoygg]

@@JibbSmartGD Great post, it's funny how it's hard for people to see how gyro is very similar to using a mouse.

[@jweesm4287]

the doom weapon switch tell how developers are really geniuses. the wey you made the weapon wheel and the switching if just jaw dropping for me I've been really thinking of a wey to weapon switch for controllers with the limited buttons and your solution is just genius

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for the kind words :)

[@grisdebouille1196]

JoyShockMapper 3+ is here !! thank you for your work !

[@JibbSmartGD]

It is! I'll make a video about it before long, but haven't been able to due to renovations in my house. I was less involved in the 3 update, but I'll talk about that in the video :)

[@walkerx1813]

I've actually wanted something like gyro trackball with the steam controller, that's awesome

[@peteryt357]

Even though I love the Xbox Controllers, I wish they have motion/gyro controls (or at least have an accessory for it) as I would love to use the Flick Stick control scheme on Xbox One and PC with the Xbox Controller. I would even think people wouldn't be as critical on the Series X/S Controller if they only added Motion/Gyro Controls and allowed this style of aiming on the console and their games, giving it a bit of a next gen feel.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I think they might have to add an accessory in future if gyro aiming takes off on PS5.

[@VeryCabbage]

Hey Jibb! I just started using Flick Stick on my Dualsense controller in Destiny 2 on PC yesterday, and I see a ton of potential in it, but am currently struggling a lot, especially with tracking in close-range engagements. I'm mainly a PvP player. I'd love to see you optimize for Destiny 2! Whatever you do, thanks for making this awesome tool, and keep up the good work!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi Cabbage! Sorry I missed this comment. It was marked as spam for some reason, but it's clearly not. Close range can get really chaotic. If you play with a high gyro sensitivity, it could be good to rely on that more. It's really to be aiming two ways at the same time, in my opinion -- whether it's flick stick + gyro or standard stick + gyro. Practice does make a big difference, though. I think I have D2 installed, but haven't played it since before I released JSM 1. There are some people in the discord who play it, and might have some hot tips :)

[@lnfiniteFlow11700]

I just read a engineering article about gyroscopes and they can sense actual motion I don't know the science but they can sense more than just tilt and I would like to see a 2d motion gyro become standard for all input devices.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Do you have a link to that article? I'd be interested to read it

[@lnfiniteFlow11700]

@@JibbSmartGD Rip never mind I looked at it again and it was still tilt, I just want true motion sensors but I don't know what they are called

[@lnfiniteFlow11700]

@@JibbSmartGD kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4LOnHt-q9ShadE

[@lnfiniteFlow11700]

I want something like this

[@Refreshment01]

i see this project has become something you take seriously. Good work. Some observations/suggestions: @2:54. kind of know the answer & at the risk of sounding dumb, but why not try to track the DS4 light bar with a webcam? Besides obvious possibilities at the least gyro drifting would be minimized. But maybe is just too much work for little gain? Speaking in general, it seems DS4 should be the sort of "defacto" controller to support, since it's features are the most suited for this type of aiming (steam controller aside). i've been saying for years that controllers need to include grips, specially if using Gyro aiming, so the thumb is always resting on the stick. The DS4 while optionally is the only 2 handed controller (again steam con aside) that has them. Well & also not counting split Joycons, since people just don't like them. @3:37 This exactly is were split joycons/controllers have an advantage. You can use the left Joycon to control the leaning while you control aiming with the right hand. The setup works perfectly >;D

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi Etrigan! From what I hear, tracking the DS4's light is a good solution. I usually focus on solutions that are useful for as many people as possible, though, and a lot of people don't play with a camera. I'd be interested to explore it myself in future. On your point about split Joy-Cons for lean bindings, that's a good observation! It's actually precisely why I made it so you can have gyro only work with one controller and lean bindings / motion stick only work with the other in JSM 2 :)

[@Refreshment01]

@@JibbSmartGD Thx for the time to reply. A thing i've wonder for years & since you are into interface exp, maybe you have an opinion, basically a Virtual Joystick implementation: Say take the L Joycon (with strap) vertically with the thumb resting on ZL/L buttons, index & ring fingers on SL/RL (ARMS like setup) now the HD Rumble is used to give directional & intensity cues depending on how much the Virtual Joystick is leaned. Do you think it would be close enough to thumbstick for most action 3D games navigation like 1st/3rd person shooters? In regards to this since actuators are getting smaller/faster i think within a couple of years down the line a weight distribution system inside motion controllers would be possible, so much of the feedback advantages of the thumbsticks would be minimized.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I think that could work pretty well. I was pleasantly surprised by how good motion stick feels. JSM doesn't yet support holding the Joy-Con the way you describe, but I think it's a good idea.

[@crystal_royal3405]

Wow that wAs rEallY CoOL

[@gaboqv]

it's awesome you are putting all this effort in a free app, i have always been into alternative ways to use the computer and game, i have to confess i got flamed in a lobby in overwatch because it was a lot more confusing than you made it look in the videos, but i will keep on practicing, i always wanted the steam controller for its customization and gyro abilites, happy to see i can get a pinch of that and even more with thie free tool !

[@sharky2606]

you are criminally under viewed

[@EnterpriseKnight]

Can you make more videos playing with the switch Joycons? I think that having two joypads detached from each other is easier to learn, but I have no way of knowing how it would be without buying one.

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's tricky because my bluetooth doesn't always have a good connection with them, in which case one or both of the controllers become really laggy. When I don't have that problem, I still prefer a two-handed controller. I talked a bit about why in my Crysis video if you wanna check that out

[@threemothsETC]

pretty cool. im thinking about how gyro aiming was essentially just on the 1 axis before, but with these lean binding options, its starting to branch into multiple axes. makes me think about using a ds4 for skyward sword if we are able to move it at any angle.

[@jobro3629]

Hey man I just heard of this and I've already watched most of your videos haha. I've been playing the new game Spellbreak a lot and I'm going to try to get JSM implemented this weekend. They are actually just about to release Gyro controls natively but I'm not sure what kind of features they will have. I was wondering what you thought about using Flickstick in this game because there is a TON of vertical movement in it. I'm worried about not being able to transition enough.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! I'm glad you're finding my videos interesting :D I haven't played Spellbreak yet, but I reckon it'd work well, just from my experience playing Quake with gyro and flick stick. I think Quake is maybe not quite as vertical as Spellbreak, but it's up there. Probably helps to play with a higher gyro sensitivity.

[@DavAndrus]

Clicking stuff in menus has always been the worse part of gyro controls for me. Definitely going to try something similar to what you did in the double click example.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Yeah, it's the perfect (and rare) example of something that's easy with mouse but difficult with gyro.

[@teneesh3376]

Anyway you can support the 8bitdo sn30 pro + so that you can use every feature on it? With how it works right now, putting it in different modes excludes a few features from each other So putting it in xinput mode lets you use the analog triggers, but doesn't allow you to use the gyro or capture button Putting it in dinput let's you use the gyro and capture button, but it can't detect different degrees of pull from the triggers Might sound weird. But I have it where in some games, I bind the gyro to when I press the triggee half way. It's to make sure that I can still use it without the game freaking out

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for the info. I think of the third party controllers, 8bitdo would be a high priority, given how popular it is. It's on the list of things to do, but I wouldn't expect it soon.

[@teneesh3376]

@@JibbSmartGD that's fair. I did talk to 8bitdo about it, and they haven't tried to fix it. Didn't expect them to. But their customer support is really good. They would reply to you in the same in around 5 hours maximum if they have to say something. Though the usually reply in around an hour or so

[@JibbSmartGD]

That's really cool :)

[@unintelgen2510]

[EDIT] OK, there's compile issues on current builds on Linux and there's no way to map back to button inputs-- I am just going to go back to Steam Inputs and quietly wait in the shadows until such a time that it is deemed necessary. Again, thank you for your hard work (and the contributors too!) and I can't wait to see this fully fledged out someday. Hey, quick question... Would this be good and or work on a fightstick? I forget what the configuration/input method is exactly, but mine has X/D-inputs and Nintendo Switch (but I typically use a 'generic' option, highlighted purple instead of the usual red for Switch) I have a game I play with held /toggle modifiers on Steam input, and I'd like to switch- as long as there's no additional input lag (or same as Steam, which I don't even know if there is) Second, cause you don't provide binaries... how hard is it to compile and run through commands on Linux? I skimmed the Github and didn't notice Linux instructions beyond compiling. I can compile it just fine, I just didn't get a chance to read the documentation (Edit: just saw there's an AUR pkgbuild, prob gonna try to work with that- I can prob get it working without anyway) Sorry if that was a little long, and thank you for the great work you're doing! I'm gonna adapt to the flick stick + motion method for my DOOM runs, but I might just supplement this application for my button mappings going forward, at least the more complicated ones anyway

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi :) Unfortunately, I haven't done any of the Linux stuff myself. Someone helped out with that a while back, but the active developers right now only use Windows. JSM currently can't output as a controller, which is currently a little limiting. I sometimes use JSM and Steam at the same time (Steam for mapping to controller, JSM for gyro + flick stick), but I want to make it all possible in JSM in future.

[@grisdebouille1196]

are you going to try the gyroscope of the dualsense ?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I will, as soon as I can get my hands on it :)

[@JibbSmartGD]

@@dengrom6611 I have preordered it here, but it won't be out until the PS5 is out here (November 12th)

[@theeggdover1243]

Dis guy a saint

[@abhinavajith92]

It'd be great if this supports racing games as well! I'm waiting 😁

[@JibbSmartGD]

I've got plans to better support racing games in future :)

[@Jamesssssssssssssss]

Perfect ! Thank you

[@Blameable438]

I really like that controller overlay, are you going to release it?

[@JibbSmartGD]

One day! Working on it here and there. Don't have a lot of time lately, which is also why I haven't put up a new video in a while.

[@ein1742]

When are we getting the xbox controller + adapter gyro video?

[@batman-gz1ed]

It doesn't have gyro.

[@ein1742]

@@batman-gz1ed Yeah but there is a unofficial adapter that adds it, and Jib said in one of his posts, that he's going to do a video on it

[@Mik-kv8xx]

@@ein1742 how much do these adapters cost?

[@batman-gz1ed]

@@ein1742 really could you provide the link for gyro attachment..

[@ein1742]

@@batman-gz1ed www.amazon.com/Controller-Nintendo-Wireless-Rechargeable-PlayStation-4/dp/B0794VJ18B/ref=sr_1_2?crid=ADIXPS08Y0VJ&dchild=1&keywords=brook+x+one+adapter&qid=1603127851&sprefix=brook+x+one+%2Caps%2C320&sr=8-2

[@kadebass6187]

hey (I know I'm making a lot of comments here you can just refer me to another means of messaging you if you want) you should map turning off gyro onto the L2 or R2 button(s) and making it so it changes your sensitivity on the fly depending on how hard you press and with a full press disabling gyro also with an inversion option on this as well (not pressing the L2 or R2 button disabling it requiring you to press it down all the way) this as an option for people who may prefer it that way. I do believe this will reduce the necessity of flick stick however not entirely this could allow for the stick to be simply used as a 180` rotation and make room for addition inputs for the left, right, and forwards angle on the stick. I could see a (minor) problem with this involving games like GTAV with driving but I don't see it being that big of an issue unless something else comes up that I didn't realize

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! I've experimented with varying sensitivity on the fly in the past. I think it could be pretty cool with some practice, but usually some good acceleration settings do the trick. There are ways to experiment with this kinda thing a little, but no way yet to have full analog control over your sensitivity with the triggers.

[@kadebass6187]

@@JibbSmartGD yeah I was thinking this because of long range precision whilst still maintaining high sensitivity (with full control over said sensitivity; because muscle memory and not wanting to throw it off as many pros on M&KB prefer no mouse acceleration which is similar) and people who do have problems with shaky hands. However more specifically to give the disable gyro for recalibration more purpose than just recalibration

[@salikabbasi5448]

Jibbstick! Jibbstick! Jibbstick!

[@omnicrutch]

I would love a gyro converter on console, but for now the only reliable way to get gyro on console is with a laptop, and a mouse and keyboard converter. So it seems the first step would be to make a gyro to mouse usb converter. ...and then use a mouse and keyboard converter to do the rest. but trying to explain that to most people usually stops dead at the unbelievable amount of irony...but its a start. Any plans on usb hardware? I've asked for gyro on bungie and ubisoft forums, but have been met with the same "its not our fault u don't game on computer..." mentality.

[@JibbSmartGD]

No plans for hardware from me, but in future I'd like to explore maybe doing it through PlayStation or Xbox's remote play

[@kadebass6187]

you guys (unless it’s just one) should form an “e-sports” team to create interest I think that would be absolutely perfect because people are going to ask things like “is it cheating” without understanding (forcing people to look into it) and “how is this possible”. as crazy of an idea as this sounds it shouldn’t be off the table

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's just me doing these videos, and I have neither the time nor skill to be really competitive, but there are other gyro-users on KZbin playing with far more skill out there :)

[@kadebass6187]

@@JibbSmartGD i’m just throwing the idea out there since the name “Gyro Gaming” sounds not to far from something like an esports team

[@germansani6075]

Hi. I hope that's an adequate place for this: So, if someone would like to have Gyro-Controls with the Wiimote I wrote a script that's working like the Joyshock Mapper which is available on the Freepie Forums. So as long as there's no support for it in the Joyshock Mapper that would be at least something. It's close to the same thing but I'm by far not as talented as JibbSmart so e.g. there's a Snap-Stick instead of a Flick-Stick-Option. But it's working alright I think. :)

[@JibbSmartGD]

You can share that here, for sure! Also on the Gyro Gaming discord, if you want

[@germansani6075]

@@JibbSmartGD Okay just did. Thank you :)

[@bibabutzemann5661]

nice work. Valve should give you a job for the new steam controller

[@JibbSmartGD]

Haha, thanks!

[@dananon2112]

Have you thought about using the steam controller instead of a playstation controller? I bet you'd make some interesting profiles with the steam controllers capabilities.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I like the Steam Controller, but one of my goals with this channel that sets it apart from channels that use the Steam Controller is that I'm trying to change how games are played with current consoles and "standard" controllers. More than 100 million players already have everything they need to enjoy the same games more, except that games aren't enabling them to do that. I'd like to think I could do interesting things with the Steam Controller, and I'm glad you think so, too :) But there are already folks like @RambleTan and @CriticalInput doing cool stuff there with much more experience with that controller, so I'll leave it to them for now.

[@MadTofan]

The controller model interface on these videos are amazing. Is there any way we can have those as well?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'm glad you like it! I hope to release the overlay at some point, but it's still not ready, I'm afraid

[@vtvitibttboybobtottbo]

I tried yesterday JoyShockMapper. As soon as I started it, my DualShock controller adaptive triggers switched to the maximum tension for some reason.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I don't recall the details, but JSM has some settings for controlling the adaptive triggers. There should be some more info in the README

[@DatSimple]

i wish i could have more control over my movement velocity

[@JibbSmartGD]

Yeah, it's kinda up to the game unfortunately. If they mix gamepad and mouse inputs properly, you can have JSM output as a gamepad and a mouse at the same time

[@DatSimple]

@@JibbSmartGD i think a UI for JSM would be cool, and also a fine tuner function for gyro and stick control; rounding up your settings and allowing you to tune it to your liking. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II has a ton of gyro configurations in their options, i think of it as i type this.

[@watercat1248]

that sound amazing to tell the truth i don't know haw all this stuff works but i thig is grate for the people the want to play with controller's

[@grisdebouille1196]

sorry if I missed something my English is bad. Is there a way to keep analog movements from left stick while it's emulates wasd ? Some keypads like Azeron gaming keypad or logitech G13 have analog stick. so I wonder if I can combine the best of both worlds. analog movements and mouse precision with my ps4 controller. Naughty Dog have updated The last of us part 2 to make it playable with the gyroscope on ps4. It is really good news for me that developers are interested in this technology. Unfortunately they did not succeed in making the experience really precise. I think your cooperation could help them make the experience better. Keep going because your work can really make gaming evolve in the right way.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! JoyShockMapper doesn't yet have a way to output as a gamepad, but Steam does. This will only work for games that are able to combine controller, mouse, and keyboard input at the same time. For games like that, I'll often have a Steam config that only enables the left stick and do the rest with JoyShockMapper. It's disappointing to hear TLOU2's gyro aiming isn't very good. I'd love to help them with a better solution, but it's very hard to get in touch with developers you don't already know. Thanks for the encouraging words :)

[@Mloader-]

this is making me want a 8bitdo controller lol

[@jurbagarga1410]

ineed help with joyshockmapper while using the dualsense the dualsense works but flick stick doesnt work and the triggers have annoying amount of adaptive trigger so it feels annoying how can i turn adaptive triggers off on joyshockmapper

[@drobiIIka]

hi! any ideas how to make setup for racing games? steering with gyro, and speed up \ down with analog bumpers as it is in normal way? gyro works ok in nintendo racing game as Mario kart. would be great to make it working in pc games as dirt rally or project cars or same.

[@tuloddulodmld9659]

How to know if the controller has a gyro? Do all ps4 or ds4 support gyro? Sorry for my English.

[@JibbSmartGD]

All official DualShock 4 should have gyro. Some unofficial controllers will and some won't, and I'm not sure which ones will work

[@iver1343]

I experience like too shaky gyro. Is it what I should get used to or I need to adjust some settings? I have all default + csgo config.

[@JibbSmartGD]

How you sit/stand with the controller (resting your elbows) can help. Good smoothing settings can make it less shaky when you're trying to keep it steady (JSM's smoothing settings let you apply smoothing only when the controller is turning below a velocity threshold). Choosing the right sensitivity settings can help. And, of course, practice can make a big difference, too :)

[@iver1343]

@@JibbSmartGD Thanks for the reply!

[@321gametime5]

What controller do you think is the best to use with Gyro (i.e. SC, SPC, DS4, DS5)?

[@JibbSmartGD]

They're all really good for gyro aiming. Some people have stronger opinions, but I think the most important questions are what layout do you like, what other features do you want, etc. I almost exclusively use my DS4 since I got the back button attachment for it.

[@115zombies935]

@@JibbSmartGD Is there any noticeable differences in the gyros themselves in any of the controllers? Different polling rates, or more precise perhaps? I think the polling rate on the dualsense can be overclocked to some absurdly higher values but I don’t know if that also applies to the polling rate.

[@kfcoreodomino1495]

Quick question, can you use gyroscope like a vr light gun? It's kinda like your using your arms to move your mouse rather than your wrist to move your mouse.

[@JibbSmartGD]

There's no knowing exactly what you're pointing the controller at, but there are similarities to VR aiming :)

[@TheSelfAwareIndianEmpath]

Does you app support the latest PS5 dualsense controller?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Yep!

[@stoopidhaters]

Are you looking forward to the DualSense Controller?

[@JibbSmartGD]

For sure! Can't wait to get my hands on it!

[@Kenny2100vn]

@@JibbSmartGD Can you send and Email to Phil Spencer implementing Gyro into the Xbone Series Controller?

[@AppleGreenmusic]

Is it possible to use gyro trackballing when using a gyro hold button? As in gyro works when I'm holding the button and when I let go it trackballs until I turn gyro back on? In the video I saw you do this with a button that disables gyro on hold.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Yep, there's a GYRO_TRACKBALL option. Look it up in the README :)

[@hestongross3617]

I want to be able to turn my left stick into aiming mode when Y or North (N) is pressed, then back to AWSD when it is not being pressed. Any tips?

[@JibbSmartGD]

N,LEFT_STICK_MODE = AIM That should do it

[@memezoffuckery3207]

Are there any commands I can look into your program, so I can refine my joystick movement in game? I know the basic “STICK_SENS” command and the “STICK_POWER” command, but I’m looking for something similar to this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaWleXSog5iEjZIm45s I play on “RIGHT_STICK_MODE = AIM” so I don’t know whether people (who use or improve your program) mostly focus on improving flick stick mode rather than traditional.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Good question! It's worth checking out the README. You can change the STICK_ACCELERATION_RATE to have the sensitivity increase while the stick is at full tilt, STICK_ACCELERATION_CAP to limit how high it can accelerate to, and set LEFT/RIGHT_STICK_DEADZONE_INNER/OUTER. This should cover most of the options games normally provide. Some games also usually warp the input direction to be closer to the nearest axis -- they tend not to expose this option to users, and we don't have a way to do that in JSM yet. Also, some games provide a "damping" option, where stick sensitivity ramps up from 0 or a smaller value to begin with. We don't have that option yet either. These are options I've been meaning to explore for a while, but haven't been a high priority. Flick stick hasn't changed much since before version 1.0, because it's intrinsically much simpler than traditional stick aiming, which needs a lot of work to try and keep up with the needs of regular gameplay.

[@greenleaf1635]

I have just discovered your channel and this magnificent tool of yours. I have always been gaming with mouse and keyboard and now I only use ps4 controllers for gaming. Is it possible maybe with joyshockmapper to lock the pitch control of the gyro to the camera control for looking up and down? I believe this way the camera angle won't change if you look too far up or down. I hope you will reply because at this moment this is bothering me the most with gyro gaming.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! I'm glad you're enjoying it :) Unfortunately JoyShockMapper can't know the in-game camera pitch, and so it can't lock real world pitch and camera pitch together. I think it's better to think of it as a mouse, anyway, with all the benefits that has -- customisable sensitivity, being a big one

[@greenleaf1635]

@@JibbSmartGD Ah ok too bad but thanks for your reply!

[@MatheusLima-pd8zw]

It is possible to use JSM with Steam Controller or the controller is bound to the Steam Imput system? I love the pads on steam controller and the positioning of them, but the steam imput for some things are at best gimicky...

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's not supported yet, but could be in the near future. There are other tools that to support the SC, like reWASD and GloSC

[@MatheusLima-pd8zw]

@@JibbSmartGD Thats very good to know, man! I think that the way JSM handles mouse movement is just way better than steam imput. Its near impossible to make their own implementation of flickstick work as intended and its very hard to set exact values on those sliders. Also, about ps5 and xbox series consoles, are you planing to rush on them or this isn't a priority for you? Just out of curiosity.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Since I have a powerful PC, I don't see any benefit to getting an Xbox Series X, especially since there's no sign they have gyro. I skipped the PS4 because PlayStation because I can't reasonably expect to have a good experience with games that would play better with gyro (almost all of their first-party exclusives?), but if things change, I'd like to get a PS5. No rush for me. How about you?

[@MatheusLima-pd8zw]

@@JibbSmartGD i was talking more about controller integration with JSM. The ps5 have some neat features specialy with the adaptative triggers... But about the consoles i also think the PC is better for me. Those things are quite expensive here were i live so PC is the way to go. I'm saving up for a nee build bc mine is at least 5yo entry level machine... I5 3330 gtx 960... Lol i was lucky to get my hands on the steam controller. My cousin bougt one as gift when he was in USA... I think that this is why i like it so much. Lol

[@MatheusLima-pd8zw]

Also, nice to have a chat. Keep up with the good work at JSM. Steam already aknowledge your work more or less, so i hope sony and microsoft follow soon after. :D keep it up!

[@watercat1248]

Gyro gameming what are you thing about the dual seans controller (the ps5 controller)?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I like the DualSense. I've used it a bit with JSM to play Prodeus and Fortnite, and I like the way it feels. The stick wells are really smooth, which noticeably improves the feel of flick stick

[@watercat1248]

@@JibbSmartGD ok

[@TheOliverz121]

hi, just wondering a couple things. is there a way to get Joyshockmapper on the steam deck while its running through windows. or is there an easier way to calibrate it when using steam's version of it?

[@JibbSmartGD]

JoyShockMapper doesn't know how to read inputs from the Steam Deck itself, so probably not. This video has some helpful tips for calibrating flick stick on Deck: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXK5mYuwbpKjgc0

[@pikle3326]

I followed the quick-guide and have JoyShockMapper running, detecting my DS4 controller as well as all and any inputs from said controller (displaying in the JSM window) but the mouse simply does not move. Am I missing something? It seems to work fine for everyone else who has tried it

[@JibbSmartGD]

Gyro sensitivity is 0 by default. Did you set it to something else? Eg: GYRO_SENS = 1 Also, DS4 bluetooth gyro doesn't work with JSM for some people. I'm working on a solution, but it's difficult for me to figure out the exact cause since I haven't had this problem with any of my DS4s on either of my computers.

[@pikle3326]

@@JibbSmartGD Thanks for such a quick reply, I had indeed missed this and my gyro_sens was still set to 0. Changing this allowed me to control my desktop using the ds4 as if it were a mouse. I was still unable to get any other inputs working in game however until I realised I was switching over from using a controller which meant..... I'd already setup my controllers to work with my pc, those setting were telling the pc that the device was a controller and definitely not a mouse and keyboard. Hopefully this helps, just in case someone else is having similar problems getting started. Thankyou for making this! It's crazy how well it works. I think it's going to take a significant amount of time for me to adjust to using gyro for playing FPS

[@ade5324]

hello, im commenting way too late, but what controller exactly are you using in this video? and most importantly what controller with gyro aiming do you recommend?

[@ade5324]

on nvm its ds4 controler.. im stupid. would you recommend it tho?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Not stupid :) I really like the DS4, and I do recommend it. The DualSense is nice, too, but much more expensive, hasn't been around long enough to be properly durability tested, and for now its fancier features aren't used by JoyShockMapper (adaptive triggers, haptics). However, I do like its super smooth stick wells. I'm waiting for my back button adapter for the DualShock 4 to arrive, and I anticipate that'll make it indisputably my favourite controller.

[@LauroAbreu]

that is so coooool! is there any GUI in JoyuShockMapper? i feel like i would be more confortable messing with if in a GUI than with text

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks :) No GUI yet, I'm afraid. For now, we figure it's so much easier to add new options without having to think about all the GUI related stuff. This means we can add more features more quickly. It'd be very easy to make a separate GUI app that reads configs and sends commands to JSM, but no one has done it yet.

[@tomholt1080]

Is it possible to use this on an xbox elite controller. I really just want the ability to quick swap between weapons, in Doom Eternal, on the elite controller. I play on PC. I you doing it on the Dualshock and it looked really cool!

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'd like to add support for XInput devices like that, but haven't done it yet, I'm afraid. Maybe if enough people ask the developers they'll add the option to the game?

[@yeeeaaboiii7838]

Is gyro aiming good with the ps5 controller and what controller would you recomand for first person shooter games?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I like it, but it's also very expensive. I think the DualShock 4 is mostly as good and much cheaper, so that's probably still my recommendation

[@memezoffuckery3207]

I wanna make it to where I can toggle on and off the Gyro, by pressing both "L2" and "R3" together. Any suggestions?

[@JibbSmartGD]

One way to do toggles is to load a new config that changes your bindings. For example: ZL+R3 = "EnableGyro.txt" So if you have a file like "EnableGyro.txt" like this: ZL+R3 = "DisableGyro.txt" GYRO_OFF = NONE And a "DisableGyro.txt" file that disables gyro and switches back

[@memezoffuckery3207]

@@JibbSmartGD Thank you for the advise, it really help me resolve the issue. Though unfortunately I have another problem. I’m trying to equate this button press: “R3,R3 = ????” to a mouse movement. I can’t find the option to do that, and I wondering whether there’s an option for it in the program. Here’s a quick video, displaying what I’m looking for: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3nEh5iVfK9_pJo

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! We don't yet have a way to map a button input to a mouse movement. It's in the to-do list, though!

[@germansani6075]

Hi, thanks for all your videos, the program and the ideas behind them. With this help I could finally make a Freepie-Script for Gyro Aiming with my Wiimote. I just hadn't thought about the gyro as a mouse "^^ But I'm very curious how you managed to make that motion stick so smooth. At my best I can only do the trick with the accelerometers but they're a bit shacky. How did you solve that if I may ask so I could maybe find a way to code that into another Freepie-Script? :) Or do you maybe even plan to add Wiimotes & Nunchuck at some point? Anyway thanks for all the great work your doing. :)

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! I'm so glad you've been able to do cool things with Freepie, and that my work has been helpful :) Do you have the MotionPlus attachment for your Wiimote? It provides gyro. My motion stick combines gyro and accelerometer to get a more reliable gravity vector. If you only have accelerometer (like a Wiimote without the MotionPlus attachment), I think there's no way to reliably separate acceleration due to gravity from other acceleration. Wiimote support would be very cool :) I don't have one myself, but it's always possible. If someone added support in SDL2, that'd work in JoyShockMapper, since that's the controller library it uses now.

[@michaelstrafford6645]

Hi jibb Do you think there's a way to get joyshockmapper to work with ps5 remote play on pc I've tried but can't get it to hook into the remote play thanks

[@JibbSmartGD]

Not with JoyShockMapper (for now). It can output as a DualShock 4, but it doesn't yet convert gyro to stick, which is what you'd need to do that. I think DS4Windows and/or reWASD should be able to do it, though.

[@Nougator]

Which software do you use for showing the controller on the screen?

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's my own program called JoyShockOverlay, and it's not ready for others yet, but I'm working on it :)

[@Nougator]

@@JibbSmartGD Thx and while here, you should create a discord server to share config and etc...

[@DelbyDank]

Double double click is interesting I’ve created that in steam input before. By the way how do I get that controller overlay?

[@JibbSmartGD]

The overlay isn't public yet, I'm afraid. I'm working on it myself

[@DelbyDank]

@@JibbSmartGD Well I would surely love to beta test it

[@teneesh3376]

I wonder if there is a job in game development for someone coming up with new ways to control a game. I know I would pay you to do some consulting on new ways to control a game I would make, if that makes sense

[@JibbSmartGD]

I have done that kind of consulting work and may do more in future :)

[@ItsBoyRed]

does the Sony DualSense controller have a gyro that functions for pc use? Very nice update.

[@JibbSmartGD]

It sure does! Just today I released JSM 2.1, which adds DualSense support. Wired only for now, as that's much simpler than Bluetooth.

[@ItsBoyRed]

@@JibbSmartGD How does the gyro feel compared to the ohter controllers? im really thinking about getting one to spare my SC as much as possible :D

[@JibbSmartGD]

I haven't spent much time with it yet, but haven't noticed any difference from the DualShock 4's gyro

[@Paplock]

Can you do tutorial for controller 8Bitdo SN 30 PRO? Like flick stick and gyroscope mode settings.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I don't have that controller, I'm afraid. Should work the same as Switch Pro Controller, DualShock 4, and DualSense, though

[@Paplock]

@@JibbSmartGD Thanks for answer :)

[@JibbSmartGD]

No worries :)

[@1kdelta715]

Hey is there a way to have one input do to outputs For fortnite i want to pull out and place builds at the same time on ps4

[@JibbSmartGD]

Yeah, you can have any number of simultaneous outputs. For example: E = LSHIFT\ R\

[@francnoirs6090]

Awesome!

[@inayatnasseri8929]

Will JSM support the Dualsense controller soon?

[@JibbSmartGD]

It already does if you're just connecting by USB

[@115zombies935]

Hey, how is the gyro on the dual sense controller compared to the DS4?

[@JibbSmartGD]

My first impression was that it's pretty good, but I haven't spent much time with it. I'd like to, but I've had my hands full with a new baby :)

[@HenrikMyrhaug]

Does this mean I will be able to map a controller so that I walk when slightly tilting the movement stick and run when tilting it all the way?

[@JibbSmartGD]

That should already be possible with the LRING binding, I think?

[@maza511]

Hi, how do you do 3D overlay gamepad on video?

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's a program I'm still working on called JoyShockOverlay. It's not publically available yet, though

[@A4k2i0]

Will this work with the new PS5 DualSense controller on PC?

[@JibbSmartGD]

It already works wired, and Bluetooth support will hopefully come later :)

[@manedust6949]

Hi friend . help me please . i want to play geforce now with gamepad but it doesn't have gyroscope. Can I somehow connect a gyroscope with an android along with a gamepad. Hello from Russia

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! I don't know much about playing with mobile, I'm afraid.

[@lucaB88]

Works with stadia on chrome?

[@user-ym1pw8nu7t]

Man this is completelynincredible !! Its my last chance to play fortnite on gyro not on 30 fps !! I literally cannoy use kbm nor sticks only damn !! Unfortunately I followed every step of your video Quick syart and the fortnite file chorded 1,4 does not work at whole when loaded as a txt in JSM it says nothing i only get true or false inputs in the console commands and when loading the game it does not even recognize the controller thats unfortunate cuz steam gyro is really ass when choosing Mouse as Joystick . Mouse only gyro in Steam options is actually pretty fine but it will not let me build with my controller do you have any idea why ? Also if you could save my life is there anyway to have mouse gyro input but with regular controller binds in fortnite ?? Thx bruh i owe u one

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! Thanks for reaching out :) I haven't played Fortnite in a few weeks, but it should work just the same in build mode as it does in menus. You can have JSM or Steam just handle gyro while everything else works as normal, but if you want to use flick stick you'll have to map everything else, too, because there's no way to disable Fortnite's built-in stick aiming except to disable controller input altogether. If the config isn't loading you might have to manually type in the path relative to JoyShockMapper.exe. Eg: GyroConfigs/Fortnite.txt

[@user-ym1pw8nu7t]

@@JibbSmartGD Thanks man ! Actually it did not work bc my pro controller was plugged in usb not bluetooth now it works just fine the problem being i cannot move my character the joystick doesnt respond also the gyro is in yaw not in roll and also all my binds are messed up like R1 is shooting although in everygame in has always been R2 is there a way to enable roll gyro mode on and also to keep usual build pro binds but use mouse input for gyro jibb ? Im really confused your software works way better than steam engine because steam doesnot allow Mouse input it allows only Mouse as Joystick input which deactivate flick shots gyro !! i dont know how to change all these settings to make it work is there any chance to config any bind the way we want with JSM also enable roll gyro and also make joysticks actually move the character ? Thx for your help

[@JibbSmartGD]

You can set the controls to whatever you want by editing the config :) I like to shoot with R1 instead of R2 because it's better positioned for keeping the controller steady and, on a DualShock 4, much more responsive than using a trigger. But you can swap them by swapping the R and ZR mappings in the config. You can also change the axes. The current defaults are best for most people (yaw = yaw makes the most sense) but you can use roll if you want with: MOUSE_X_FROM_GYRO_AXIS = Z All the different things you can do are listed and explained in the README. I don't know of a way to use Pro Builder, since there's no way to use it on keyboard and JSM can only map to keyboard and mouse.

[@danqarious4733]

This gonna work with ds5's (ps4)?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Yep, already does

[@memezoffuckery3207]

Hey Gyro Gaming, if you see this comment I just want to tell you that I've discovered a way to use your program wirelessly with the Dualshock 4 controller. All I did was just install *reWASD* into both my PC and laptop, and they both started to work wirelessly every time I start the JoyShockMapper application. I start moving my controller when the USB wire isn't connected, and JoyShockMapper starts picking up movement signals. I don't know what reWASD did to both of my computers, but even when the reWASD appilcation is not running (when I check my task manager) it still allows me to use your application you've created wirelessly. Even after the 15 day trail ends. (Because you have to pay in order to have reWASD forever). (Edit) I discovered this in the 2.1.0 version of JoyShockMapper, so this might just be useless information.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for the heads-up! I'd heard here and there that it could be fixed by using reWASD or Steam at the time of connection, because they were correctly enabling the gyro on wireless controllers. The latest version of JoyShockMapper (2.2) has this fixed, so wireless PlayStation controllers (DualShock 4 and DualSense) should work properly now (although some people have reported they had to restart JSM or use the command RECONNECT_CONTROLLERS to make it work after the first attempt).

[@rodrigomendes3327]

Really good stuff. Sadly it's really hard to understand how edit .txt file to make temporary/dynamic comands works. It's genious, but sadly I didnt get anything from the video =/

[@JibbSmartGD]

Every txt file is just a bunch of commands that are run one after the other. You can make it so that a command is run at the press of a button by binding it to a button in quotes. For example: N = "RIGHT_STICK_MODE = AIM" means when you press the North face button (triangle on a DS4), the command "RIGHT_STICK_MODE = AIM" will be entered into JoyShockMapper, setting your right stick to traditional aiming. I'm pretty sure any legal command at all can be put in quotes to be run later, and this includes loading a file. I hope that helps you get started!

[@rodrigomendes3327]

​@@JibbSmartGD Thanks for your effort to explain it for a dumb person lol I will give a try, because these dynamic commands looks to be the game changer for gyro gaming.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Happy to help! It's not obvious, so you're probably not dumb ;)

[@IceBreak23]

you can use on steam as Desktop controller, if you use as keyboard buttons and gyro for mouse works really well, it's really easy

[@rodrigomendes3327]

@@JibbSmartGD Is it possible to have [] as a command and L1+[] as another command?

[@derspy1642]

can you get it to work with minecraft?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I have played Minecraft with it a long time ago, but don't know if I'll make a video of it

[@catfree]

PSMove support please?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'm afraid I won't be adding PSMove support. I don't know much about it. But it's open source, so it's possible someone else could.

[@catfree]

@@JibbSmartGD There are several other programs that achieve mouse emulation but its not using the Gyroscope :( it instead relies on the positional tracking camera

[@JibbSmartGD]

Ah, right. That's a pity

[@catfree]

@@JibbSmartGD I'm clueless when it comes to programming (though I am trying to learn C++ atm) But maybe you could do something with PSMoveService?

[@MrM0saic]

Need this for android

[@jdawgzim]

Could this scripting get me banned in multiplayer games?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I haven't heard of this happening to anyone. A lot of people rely on this and tools like it for almost all their gaming, but I can't make any guarantees

[@memezoffuckery3207]

I've decided on downloading the latest version of JoyShockMapper on my computer, and my anti-virus software apparently decided to delete files "SDL2.dll" and the JoyShockMapper Application (version 3.1.1) off my folder once I've extracted them. And I was just wondering whether you could give me some level of explanation as to what "thing" in these files could be making my anti-virus software act paranoid before proceeding. I'm obviously not an expert in coding stuff, but I'd at least like to look into some of these programs I'm installing into my computer.

[@JibbSmartGD]

SDL2 is used for reading from controllers. A lot of games use it for a lot more than that -- it's a cross-platform library that lets you use the same code on different platforms. The JoyShockMapper application itself shouldn't be doing anything scary, and I suspect your antivirus was just like, "Oh no! These were downloaded from the internet! Watch out!" I can understand your concern, but I can't make guarantees about it myself. If you got it from github.com/Electronicks/JoyShockMapper then it should be the same one I'm using, though.

[@memezoffuckery3207]

@@JibbSmartGD Question: How do I change the brightness and color of my PS4 lightbar? I've just installed the latest version of JSM and I'm looking for a dark blue lightbar option.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Try: LIGHT_BAR = x00004d Though it'll be a "dim" blue rather than dark, I think. You can try a colour picker here to find something you like, and replace that 6-digit number with whatever you see in the "HEX" section on this link: www.google.com/search?q=color+picker

[@memezoffuckery3207]

@@JibbSmartGD I’m having a hard time trying to increase button holding time to at least 3 seconds. I tired this command and its still too fast: HOLD_PRESS_TIME = 3000

[@AlzeEdu]

does jsm work with dualshock 3?

[@JibbSmartGD]

It doesn't yet, and if what I've heard about the DS3's gyro is true (very imprecise), it might not be worth doing. I don't have one of my own to try work on it, but this request does come up occasionally

[@patormovies]

Dude, you are my last hope, I cant think on someone better than u to help me with this, i hope you can help me: Im trying to get gyro with aim assist in all of my pc games, I can enable Gyro in all games, but with no aim assist by using the desktop config on steam, so far I can only get Gyro with aim assist in a good way on the steam imput mapper by configuring the gyro as a mouse joystick, but of course this only works with steam games, to get the same results in no steam games, I try using reWASD but the stick mouse options on the program are really underwelming compared to the steam imput ones, and the results are terrible. I need -1: find a way to make steam imput work on non steam games (epic games or blizzard) or -2:find a mapping program that allow me to configure mouse joystick as good as steam imput Hope you can help me, thanks :)

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! You can add any non-Steam game to your Steam library and it will work with Steam's input configurator. Even games that use another launcher -- before I made JoyShockMapper I used Steam to play Overwatch with gyro.

[@bloodthirstydeitysht9244]

This exists on steam why are you devoting so much time to something we already have

[@JibbSmartGD]

Like flick stick, there are other options that JoyShockMapper has first, and I hope tools like Steam follow suit. It's also handy for those that don't want to customise their settings through the Steam Overlay (which can be really inconvenient for non-Steam games) or to use Joy-Cons.

[@suryasolomon4643]

How can I connect my Gamesir G4 pro to PC using JSM? Via bluetooth and wired connections, JSM says I'm not connected

[@JibbSmartGD]

I haven't tried it myself. Is it in Switch mode when it's connected to PC?

[@suryasolomon4643]

@@JibbSmartGD I've managed to connect it via Bluetooth and JSM recognises it as a switch controller, but I'm not able to play games with it. I've tried aimlab using apex legends' config from gyrowiki (since I was too lazy to make a config myself) but none of the buttons/gyro works

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hmm. Sometimes you need to run it in admin mode if the game isn't responding to it. Can you confirm that JSM itself is responding to inputs? It should say when a button is pressed or released

[@suryasolomon4643]

@@JibbSmartGD JSM is not responding to inputs. I'll try opening it in admin. Thank you so much for taking time off work to reply to me I really appreciate it

[@JibbSmartGD]

Not a problem! It may be that it just won't work with JSM for now :( You could ask in the gyro gaming discord if anyone else uses the same controller with JSM (there's an invite link in the description on most of my videos)