I made Flick Stick -- How's Steam's Beta Implementation?

I'm Jibb Smart and I'm thrilled to see Flick Stick in the beta version of Steam. Being in beta, it's probably not final, but here's my impression of it so far, and how I feel about Steam now having a feature that has been exclusive to JoyShockMapper for so long.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:08 Steam's settings explained
03:01 Calibrating in Portal
03:45 Flicking problems explained
04:48 Why doesn't JSM have this problem?
06:27 Other issues
07:35 Feedback, please!
08:00 I don't know how Steam works
08:35 JSM and Steam are friends
09:39 Thanks for being in touch!
JoyShockMapper: github.com/JibbSmart/JoyShock...
GyroWiki: gyrowiki.jibbsmart.com/
GyroWiki's Flick Stick implementation guide: gyrowiki.jibbsmart.com/blog:go...
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[@Mennenth]

Seems they listened! new beta dropped about 10 minutes ago as of the time of this posting Steam Input Fixed some Flick Stick settings not showing up for trackpads Added an Outer Ring binding slot and rotation setting to Flick Stick Added Flick Stick template configurations for PS4 and Nintendo Switch controllers *Replaced the Game Frame Rate setting in Flick Stick with adjustable duration* that last one being the big one

[@JibbSmartGD]

Awesome! Thanks for being so quick to share the news!

[@JibbSmartGD]

I just wanna quickly note for everyone that my video probably didn't impact the changes, as they'd been looking for feedback for a while and my video came out only a day and a half before the update.

[@wile123456]

They also fixed the mouse delta, so now that issue is no longer present, this is good for any steam input

[@pratikkore7947]

Hey,@@JibbSmartGD can I use JSM to remap the controller's gyro to the sticks(for racers)? I recently came across your creation while trying to use android devices as gyro controllers for PC FPS (I know it's a stretch, but you can imagine why I wanted to). So after watching all your videos I've ordered a DS4 even though I've never tried a controller, I hope the wireless support will be sorted soon 😃. I'm just a casual player in FPS but more interested in racers. I know steam could do that remapping for me but JSM is more tunable so I'd prefer to use that.Thanks to you I'll finally drive (virtual) cars full analog on my PC sooner(without a steering wheel setup)

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi :) JSM currently can't output as a controller -- only as keyboard and mouse. I'm hoping to improve this in future, but can't say how soon that will be

[@KevinCow]

Man, it's crazy that the company focused on PC where gamepads are optional is supporting gyro aiming more than the companies focused on consoles where gamepads are the standard input. Next it would be nice if Valve would encourage devs to let mouse and gamepad be used simultaneously so these features could be utilized more easily.

[@amesoeurs]

It's remarkable that PS4 devs pretty much ignored gyro this gen. And MS have completely ignored it with their new console. The only ones actually pushing it are Nintendo.

[@EpsilonRosePersonal]

@@amesoeurs Even Nintendo games have questionable and spotty gyro implementations, though I think I'm more annoyed by their spotty touch control implementations. Why can't I use my Switch's touch screen to control menus in first party switch games?

[@84warhead]

@@EpsilonRosePersonal you can use the touch screen to make levels in Mario Maker 2 last I checked, haven't really checked elsewhere though.

[@Some-guy-on-the-internet]

@@84warhead That's because if they didn't, it would upset those who played the original Mario Maker on Wii U. Pretty much all of their other first party games don't support touch based menu navigation. The only people who are using it are indie developers.

[@bland9876]

@@EpsilonRosePersonal "what touchscreen?" - nintendo

[@RambleCan]

I'm just sitting here jealous of that controller overlay...

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'll make it available to you (and everyone) eventually!

[@jeddunkxyz]

@@JibbSmartGD based. would you be able to do one for the steam controller? I know it does input a bit different compared to every other gamepad. (Also there is one program already out there but it's not in 3d.)

[@shoego]

This is great news! Congratulations! I hope we tweeting devs, posting in forums, etc, helps this reach more platforms. I will be trying steam's implementation later today!

[@crcruz3]

Hello. How do you assign a button to re center the view? I was trying to use flick stick and gyro in Remnant From the Ashes over the weekend and couldn’t find a way to do it. I’m big fan of gyro controllers (Switch, 3DS, etc.) Thank you for doing this, it’s great.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I do hope to do one for the Steam Controller in future :)

[@Neoxon619]

It's honestly amazing that they did this. Steam's Flick Stick still has room for improvement, but hopefully this is the first step towards more games adding gyro & flick stick to their games.

[@xpeterson]

Congrats! Looks like you’re making a difference

[@JibbSmartGD]

I hope so!

[@HenrikMyrhaug]

It’s so awesome that Steam now has flick stick! Hopefully Steam mentioning you will help people discover your KZbin channel, and help spread the knowledge about good controller aiming. I really hope other companies add flick- stick as an option to their games/ game launchers. I am really glad this has finally happened, and am looking forward to see how controller aiming develops further. Keep up the good work!

[@JibbSmartGD]

I hope so too :) Thanks for sharing in my excitement!

[@realchiknuggets]

yeah, I only know about him from that Steam tooltip and I think I'm far from the only one so props to them for adding that

[@Sebbir]

Holy shit this is great news. Congratulations mate! You are doing great work

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thank you :)

[@ShadierMars944]

I've been waiting for you or RambleTan to make a video covering this! Congratulations

[@RambleCan]

I knew others would be able to give it far better service than me, I haven't used a stick for camera control in about 5 yrs.

[@betchaos7383]

this is so cool! this is what ive been waiting for. full analog control with joyshock mapper was a bit to technical for me, and controller button prompts are really nice to have. i cant wait to try this out!

[@abbacac]

I think that flick stick could become the norm when it comes to vr camera controls. It could implement the comfort of snap turn while allowing you to smooth turn afterwards for more precise angles, any other movement could be done irl.

[@WavePattern42]

Steam seems to handle ALL Gyros with a 16:9 ratio, Track pads with mouse input however are perfectly 1:1. To make X&Y equal for the Gyro, Y needs to be 77.77% higher than X. The only way to fix this in Steam is to set the Vertical Scale to .890 which results in a 78% increase. I do wish Steam notices this problem and fixes it, as it is giving me mild OCD.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for breaking down the maths on that. It's a tricky one, because a lot of players will be relying on it working the way it already works, even though it doesn't make sense. But I do agree it should be fixed somehow.

[@WavePattern42]

@@JibbSmartGD No problem. I imagine they must have chose this weird ratio for "desktop comfort". I only have a 16:9 monitor, so I haven't been able to test if a 4:3, 16:10, or 21:9 (Ultra Wide) changes the sensitivity ratio. Although, changing Windows Display Resolution doesn't affect the ratio at all. Steam rounds it's numbers in the VDF file, which is why I settled on .890 for 78%, with the other option being .885 for 77%.

[@EpsilonRosePersonal]

@@WavePattern42 I wonder if they're doing it for compatibility reasons, to make sharing configs easier?

[@WavePattern42]

@@EpsilonRosePersonal I think that might be it. I noticed that Steam scales sensitivity so it's same on different Monitor Resolutions with the same 16:9 Ratio (720, 1080, 1440, 4k). Think of 1:1 sensitivity as a Square, Steam takes that and scales it the in same way that Windows scales a Square Wallpaper when set to Stretch. This distorts the Image, or in our case Sensitivity, vertically to fit on the screen. What Steam should do is use a horizontal based method of scaling, or what Windows calls Fill. This still scales to other resolutions, while also preserving a perfect 1:1 ratio.

[@machimarmol]

congratulations!!!! Happy for you and for me!!

[@JibbSmartGD]

🎉

[@jayrossi4684]

you made it man big respect. Thank you for introducing me to gyroscope no going back to normal sticks now

[@MrHics]

This is finally gonna change steam remote play bigtime! Congrats on the props from Valve and I'm excited to see where U take joyshockmapper in the future.

[@MadTofan]

Thank you for creating this method of using our controllers! I am really enjoying flick stick but I can't stand the speed of turning too fast so I cranked flick time to 0.5. So far my game experience has been a blast with it and hopefully will start sharing my config in the gyro wiki soon

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for sharing! I experimented with 0.2 for a little bit but found it felt slow to me, but everyone's different. I'm glad you found a setting you like :) Looking forward to seeing your config on GyroWiki!

[@hetashar6509]

Just Thank You.

[@chiuuuuuuuuuu]

This is amazing. I got a dualsense over xbox controller for PC because of great developer like you. Now imagine having this wirelessly.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'm so glad you like it :) It should work wirelessly, too

[@cheddar07]

This is awesome! I have used your software. but in all honestly I would rather just use steam as it's one less thing to deal with. But thank you so much for all your work so glad that Valve gave you credit that's awesome!

[@teneesh3376]

I would like a video explaining why JoyShockMapper has better gyro aiming then Steam Input. I've commented to you and you do keep saying that JoyShockMapper has better gyro aiming. Though I can't feel a difference, I would like to see the difference. But props to you for replying back quickly to nearly all of my comments.

[@JibbSmartGD]

The difference in feel is usually pretty subtle. The biggest difference is the settings available in JoyShockMapper. Thanks for commenting and sharing your perspective :)

[@schwipsy]

This is going to make it really accesible. Really good news. A shame that still some games either get controller input or mouse input so mixing them doesnt work as well

[@LauroAbreu]

This feature is already in the stable Steam client! i'm so happy devs are looking more and more at gyro controlls and i really do hope that Sony starts pushing this on the PS5 just like Nintendo is doing with the Switch. I still think Flick Stick is going to take some time to really get mainstream, but just to think gyro is being more used is already a win! Now we only need Microsoft to listen to us

[@stanleybowman-hood6194]

Great job hope this gets to Xbox, Sony and Nintendo

[@MrWillypanda88]

funny thing is, gyro aiming is actually part of Nintendo for quite some times, Splatoon uses gyro for aiming, they don't use flick stick though. Ironic since Sony has been sitting on Gyro since the launch of PS4 and never thought about using it for their FPSes, Microsoft are even worse, just straight up aim-assist.

[@jkouw]

@@MrWillypanda88 Sony has actually had Gyro since the SixAxis DS3 on the PS3 and they still have done nothing with it lol

[@MrWillypanda88]

@@jkouw What????? I have DS3 stuck on my PC for years, used it to play lots of games, I didn't know it got Gyro, and now I already sold my PC (moving overseas soon) Goddamn!!!!

[@kilililian1439]

@@MrWillypanda88 I know I'm a little late but in theory there is somethin kind of similar to flick stick in Splatoon. It's way less effective (and possibly not realistically usable in a lot of situations) but since you can reset the camera by pressing Y you can use your left stick to turn the character in any direction and then press Y. It's always gonna be a bit slower than flick stick since it requires the extra input and doesn't work while shooting but it's at least somewhat close

[@thatguysix-]

@@MrWillypanda88 wym just straight aim assist its the same with sony

[@GuyManley]

Been watching you for a while, I noticed flick stick was just a drop down in the steam controller API. It makes me so happy. I'm making DS4 mappings for Doom 2016 and Black Mesa. If they turn out decent I'll export them to the steam community. Cheers!

[@corneliusmeiring8715]

I love this idea of using jour axis of the controller for aiming and other stiff because on my ps4 I play Grand Trusmo sport by using the axis of my controller as my wheel and I loved it and I hope that more games had this option because it is cool.

[@karmabasedj8184]

You deserve this man. Really good work. I hope Valve is paying you for using your ideas. And btw my gyro gaming experience with my thirdparty Gamesir controller+joyshockmapper has been crazy good! Being a PC gamer, gyro aiming has given me more immersion although I am still getting used to the concept of flick stick haha! Finally I am also using gyro aiming as a virtual yoke for xplane 11! Long story short, you have opened up a whole new world with Joyshockmapper!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Can't get paid for the idea, but it was very kind of them to mention me in the description :) I'm glad you see gyro aiming as as much of a game-changer as I do!

[@karmabasedj8184]

Ah man hope they sign a deal with you! And yes gyro aiming is revolutionary. Not sure why this isnt mainstream yet

[@muizzsiddique]

Hey congrats man!

[@skrmpf1]

They added a similar feature to the steam controller. Mouse delta, with the intent of moving the mouse for example 180 degrees. Stick flip is superior imho but it looks like steam is thinking in terms of flicks in combinations with gyro. Well done sir!

[@robertnuttall9332]

Bro this is so cool haha. I wonder if they'll do joycon support in honor of you xD

[@JibbSmartGD]

Haha! I'm sure there are plenty of people asking for Joy-Con support :) It wouldn't have anything to do with me

[@batvdog6129]

I finally built my own PC. Coming from a controller one thing I notice is my pinky really don't love the Shift and Ctrl key. When I first played around with Gyro I was in love. Now I can see it makes my life a little bit easier coming from console.

[@fasihzubair481]

yeah my pinky hurts if i use ctrl so i use space for crouch in most games and scrollwheel or side mouse button to jump

[@EtraGames]

Congratulations!

[@RapidSting]

I'm really excited that Valve implemented flick stick into Steam! More options for controls is always a good thing. Unfortunately for me, I'm already a bit too comfortable with my use of the right stick for high sensitivity mouse input with reduced vertical sensitivity. I recognize the advantages of flick stick but I've already made my method second nature at this point.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for your comment. I appreciate people like you who are excited for more options even if they're not going to use them :)

[@RapidSting]

@@JibbSmartGD I'm not gonna lie, I actually tried. It's really freaking cool! It's not my cup of tea but I am really happy to see that Valve is expanding Steam Input even further; especially with your influence. Cheers brother.

[@dontpokethebear3893]

FINALLY

[@JibbSmartGD]

Right? I thought they'd forgotten! I mean, I'm sure there's plenty going on internally we don't see, but from the outside it feels like a long time.

[@MelvaCross]

I'm so happy that gyro aiming and features that improve controller aiming are getting more recognition and becoming more popular. Hopefully, with the new console generation (especially with the DualSense) and Steam's acceptance of alternatives to conventional input methods, controller players can eventually play games efficiently without having to rely on third-party software.

[@fulviorock]

Wow, well done

[@kayiskoi]

You can probably use a sensitivity converter like mouse-sensitivity to skip the sensitivity tuning process, but this ignores that some games have forced smoothing/acceleration, like quite a few older games for example.

[@amirredzuan88]

what a huge gift from you to the gamers out there who want to use gyro on DS4. Just a suggestion, maybe you could create a mini software where user can map buttons and adjust sensitivities by sliders and it converts it into a JSM config file. would be very useful for non-programmers.

[@radzloko]

Really cool! Im using a 8bitdo sn30 pro+ in Switch mode and works just fine!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Glad to hear it :)

[@fernandoportal5422]

nice this is gonna get even more amazing

[@teehundeart]

Really happy that your input method is getting the recognition it deserves. Are you by any chance also in contact with game developers on console?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'm in touch with some console developers, but they can't tell me anything that hasn't been announced publicly yet, so I can only hope they're working on some of this stuff themselves.

[@fruitpunk]

very cool! im trying to learn flick stick rn for csgo on the steamdeck

[@gerrytheleper6604]

Can anyone share a working steam controller profile link for this? I just tried it on L4D2 but it keeps snapping direction continuously. E.g. If I move my stick to the right and hold it, it'll flick 90 to the right (correct) but continue to flick 90 degrees to the right every few seconds.

[@kayzermods]

Thanks for your work. As a pc first gamer this really brings me some valuable couch gaming options? Are you planning some anti drift feature? If not maybe I could look into it as I worked as a software engineer in the past.

[@KevinCow]

I've found that the best way to deal with drift is to just hold the controller still for a moment, and it'll settle down after a few seconds. I imagine any software solution that attempts to counteract the drift would run the risk of interfering with normal operation.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I've been meaning to look into some auto-calibration for a while. Like Kevin says, auto-calibration solutions can be unreliable and interfere with your aiming when trying to make fine movements. This really takes away from the precision in Switch games, so I encourage developers to have a manual calibration option, too.

[@michaelstrafford6645]

hi I've got steam and i couldn't find the flick stick option so i then installed the beta and i still don't have the flick stick option in steam has it been removed ? I've found it under stick controls i was looking in the wrong place in the gyro menus .

[@115zombies935]

It should be available in normal steam. It’s shortened to FS

[@nanopino]

Seeing this new option in steam brought me here. This is a pretty awesome control setup and I'm testing it out on an mmorpg where I don't have much pressure. Where do we submit issues with steam's implementation? I'm trying it out in FF14 but I need it to input right mouse click when flicking to move the view which steam allows but it gets locked on inputting right click even when not flicking.

[@nanopi]

before today's update: tried on Half-Life 2. flick stick sensitivity 0.7 for in-game sensitivity 3 seems to line up with moving the stick in a full circle around the outer edge. but it undershoots if I move the stick slowly and overshoots if I move the stick quickly. flicks are really messed up though, move stick to the right, I get a 4:30 turn instead of a 3:00 turn

[@nanopi]

with today's update: 90 degree turns works better now. game framerate replaced with flick duration, max 250ms. flicks seem to be instant/1frame.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for the comparison. I really thought that flick duration would work like FLICK_TIME in JSM, but at least it appears to fix the problem they were having :)

[@dusktowardsdawn]

I have always liked using controllers for playing games, but all I have had are an Xbox 360 controller and an Xbox One controller, which, as we know, aren't that great for precise aiming. Watching your videos made me want to get a Dualshock 4, and now that I have gotten one, and have played around with Steam Input's gyro and flick stick in some games (those being Risk of Rain 2, Left 4 Dead 2, and a tiny bit of CSGO), I can say that it's so comfortable to play like this, and now I pretty much prefer to play with my Dualshock 4 over the mouse and keyboard. I love it so much.

[@AlbertoMercerRoman9]

I'm so confused right now. I don't know where to find options to apply flick stick/gyro. Can someone help?

[@pastarhythm2762]

It's awesome that Steam is adding this! Now that they're doing it, more developers might take note. How does it feel to know that you're revolutionizing gaming? The only sure-fire solution to the problems presented by Steam and JSM's flick stick is for developers to natively support it in their games. Until then, though, JSM does a great job. JSM's gyro controls feel incredible!

[@Thornskade]

It'll probably stay isolated within the community and Valve. Many developers, but also Sony, MS and Nintendo are pretty tone-deaf.

[@pastarhythm2762]

​@@Thornskade We'll see what happens with Flick Stick. It might take a while for that to come. Gyro aiming in general though is getting increasingly utilized, though!

[@Thornskade]

@@pastarhythm2762 Is it? Sony has had Gyro in their PS3 controllers and neither they nor any other developer ever used it. They're 14 years late.

[@pastarhythm2762]

@@Thornskade The gyro in the PS3 controllers was very imprecise. It was good for shaking the controller, maybe frustrating motion gimmicks, and that's about it. It wasn't fit for aiming. Modern gyro is much better for precise things like aiming, and while it's taking a while for devs to realize its potential, it's happening! The majority of shooters on Switch support gyro. The Last of Us II recently got an update supporting it. Steam is supporting it pretty much as well as they can. I think there's serious potential that gyro could become standardized.

[@danielwilliams3161]

I'm really happy that this is a thing it really shows that you know it actually your work really is something just saying first Linus now steam what are the odds of that but anyway I do hope more games especially on the PS5 side they do agile to their games not flick just giro to reason why why is because obviously I will be perfect I never see everyone information of gyro controllers in games are different but yes I would love flick stick to be employed in PS5 games as well but because they might basically butcher it and not give it the love and attention it needs I don't think I will trust it but the giro that's fine that's simple kind of people still can't do it but I will be simple enough for them to implement in games but the flick stick I don't know like Nintendo's version of what games are on Nintendo that have this the type of a flick stick because it's not exactly flixstik it's just you can basically moved left and right and enjoy with Amy but it roughly is half of what you've done 100 coffee shop I'm waiting for the update now but I would like I can't wait to try it because I've been trying to get it working on my thingy but because I don't own any official controller I can't really do it it so so yeah I'm glad steam funny used it because now I can use obviously I'm not basically getting the full advantage of it because you know Steam and it seems implementation but you know it's still in beta and it's going to get better as you know yeah yeah so thanks again and keep up up

[@HenrikMyrhaug]

Can you please add some punctuation and paragraphs? Your comment is difficult to read...

[@Rafael57YT]

Thank you so much for this, it's insane how Playstation has such amazing controllers, and they still don't give a damn about their own gyro support

[@xXthiagosilva7]

Hey!! Could you make a configuration that works in racing games? I tried to make on EuroTruck, but I couldn't. I searched the wiki for some racing game setup, but I couldn't find

[@JibbSmartGD]

At the moment JoyShockMapper isn't really useful for racing games -- it doesn't offer gyro steering. It's mostly intended for gyro as a mouse, but in future I'd like to make gyro steering possible. I think it should be possible already with Steam, but I haven't tried it myself.

[@crcruz3]

This is just great. I love using gyro and flick stick. Is there a way to assign re Center view to a button?? Congrats, keep up the good work.

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks :) As far as I know, Steam doesn't have such an option. JoyShockMapper doesn't yet, but I'm looking into a kinda hacky solution in the near-ish future. Generally, I encourage players to just have a "gyro off" button instead of a re-centre button. We don't have a re-centre button when using the mouse, even though the mouse sometimes needs to be "disabled" (lifted off the mousepad) and re-centred manually, and that actually works really well. It lets players reposition even if their point of interest is above or below the player instead of centred on the horizon. It's also more useful for horizontal repositioning without having to counter-turn with the stick.

[@crcruz3]

@@JibbSmartGD Thank you for the answer, I'll try that.

[@Clara_Page]

I don't use Gyro aiming but I love the idea of this control scheme..... fingers crossed Sony & Nintendo implement this into there button remapping settings ... or that devs start implementing it in there games (even better as it would require no fine tuning)

[@JibbSmartGD]

Seeing native support for this in games would be amazing! And as a remapping option, too, but that could be really hard because games do all sorts of weird stuff to stick input before it turns into an in-game rotation

[@diamondbii8165]

Hi I’ve been looking into this for tf2 but I can’t seem to get the flick stick to go all the way 180 when I flick down, why is this, how do I fix this?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Do you maybe need to set your in game sensitivity higher? It's hard to say. Could also be that your down-flick is off. I haven't spent much time with Steam's flick stick settings, so I don't really know

[@lnfiniteFlow11700]

I think some form of 2d motion aim is needed for controllers and mice something that senses actual movement on a 2d scale instead of tilt. What do you think about that?

[@eilois]

I'm using DS4 Windows for gyro steering on rFactor 2, but it actually map gyro into left stick movement and not direct input to the game. But flick stick might be an option now. Still, i'm dying to have those 3D JoyShockOverlay you mentioned before. Even it got removed from your wiki main page, i'm afraid it would not get released any time soon

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! I don't think anything got removed from GyroWiki. I am still working on it, but videos and JoyShockMapper have been the priority lately.

[@onepieceofbbq6357]

I set up flick stick and I'm trying use the "snap mode" setting for my dualshock ps4 controller on steam input yet everytime I change it it sets it back to "no snap" when I want it to go to "half snap". Do you know how I can fix this? It's perfectly fine if you don't.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I think it's a known bug in current versions of Steam? Not 100% sure, though

[@ja52ng74]

When I enable gyro on Valve's games I always get a gyro drift that drags my cursor to the left and down. How can this be fixed?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I think if you put the controller down and go in and out of the configuration settings that might prompt it to recalibrate? I haven't used Steam's gyro much since making JSM, so I'm not sure.

[@NastyStacks]

is it possible for gyro to be a bigger joystick? with mouse precision but once mouse hits sphere/rect aim continues infinite

[@JibbSmartGD]

JoyShockMapper doesn't do this, but yes, this should work. I think unfortunately it'd work best with pitch and *roll* (not yaw), since the accelerometer can give us the gravity vector and cancel out drift, while drift in yaw is unavoidable. For most players, I believe pitch and *yaw* is more natural because of its similarity to using a remote or Wiimote.

[@kbutta01]

How do i find this feature in steam? I want this to be the ps5 standard of aiming for battlefield 2042

[@theofficialgman]

Big fan of our joyshockmapper (I just started using it though). Is there any way to implement different horizontal vs vertical mouse sensitivity for the right stick. For example: disable the right stick vertical axis and let the horizontal axis act as a regular mouse to emulate the way splatoon 2 works (trying to up my aim)? Flick stick is sick though but it just isn't in splatoon 2 and that's what I'm trying to train for.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'm afraid there's so option for that yet, but it's on the to-do list :)

[@theofficialgman]

Gyro Gaming thanks for the response! Great work anyway!

[@theofficialgman]

@@JibbSmartGD I actually went ahead and implemented it in the current source and made a pull request (under theofficialgman).

[@JibbSmartGD]

Oh nice! Thanks for that! I'll have a look

[@User71956]

I really want more devs that make ports to PS4 implement gyro aiming. I find myself wanting to go back to consoles, but I've gotten so use to gyro aiming in shooters that going back to consoles and only using sticks is like going back to using the d-pad for movement in 3D games. Not to mention aim assist feels like the game is playing itself for you.

[@MrHics]

I was linked here from that commenter on the new Linus Tech Tips Xbox controller vid

[@MrHics]

Starred and subbed. here was your mention: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGeYmmeGfdF6htU&lc=UgxJ9VYHAsv2FRIYC2l4AaABAg.9EuonmM0_8M9EwGPvebCBW

[@JibbSmartGD]

Thanks for letting me know!

[@fakedeltatime]

I personally couldn't get Steam's flicking working at all, but at least the rotation works, which I find is still better than aiming with a traditional controller configuration.

[@yusofplayed]

Hey Jibb, I messaged you on twitter seeking to speak and interview you if possible! Thank you for your work and hope we can speak soon!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Replied on Twitter. Thanks for reaching out!

[@LuckyLeprechaun100]

im late to this vide but seeing as its the most recent ill ask here: is there a way with joyshock mapper to make it emulate an xbox controller

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! Not yet, but hopefully in the near future. I've done research into what the best way forward is, but have a couple of other things ahead of it on the todo list.

[@ehiffi8253]

I really liked an idea to move camera with gyro, but I prefer to use stick for more long movements, but for quick I Wana use flip stick. I first saw in steam controller trailer, player quickly pulled stick down and camera did 180°, I went amazed. After watching your video's I will try to use ds4 fully with flip and gyro. Will see for results

[@silver87hun]

It work if the game not include my steam game library but steam running in background?

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's been a while since I've done it through Steam, but I think you can add non-Steam games to your Steam library and then use Steam's controller configuration

[@michaelstrafford6645]

Hi gibb What's your thoughts on the XIM NEXUS Motion Controller coming out later this year?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Looks awesome! I hope it works really well. I skipped the Xbox One and PS4 because I wouldn't be able to use JoyShockMapper with them and not enough PS4 games have decent gyro controls. Having something like that to put good controls in console games would be amazing

[@threemothsETC]

i feel that if gyro is always enabled (which flick stick is) rather than activated by a button press (as in, hold down LT to activate gyro), then the gyro is liable to desync with your controls after a while of playing, and drift or like shift over. how is this handled on a flick stick mapping in a game where you dont have a controller button to spare for recalibration?

[@threemothsETC]

to clarify, i've read some other comments on this video where you said that you have a button mapped to disable gyro so you can readjust your controller. in a game in which all buttons are used, and none can be spared, is flick stick going to be less effective for this reason?

[@JibbSmartGD]

For most games, there's usually a button that can be combined with "gyro off". For example, almost every shooter on console these days has a button that you can tap for reload and hold for interact (open doors, press buttons, etc). The same can work with another button -- tap to melee attack, toggle crouch, throw grenade, or whatever; hold to disable the gyro. This is what I do in most of my configs if there isn't room. A backup option is to have gyro be disabled while the flick stick is tilted, but I'd consider that a last resort.

[@set-theory]

Do you lot find that with gyro you end up looking too far up or too far down and have to correct the vertical positioning of your controller frequently? I've had flick stick at the back of my mind for a couple months ever since I saw a video about the life and death of the steam controller. (The very same video informed me that (a) gyro exists and (b) my steam controller what I'd owned for 2 years had it). Seeing flick stick on Steam was cool and I tried it out with doom to decent effect (most of my problems stemmed from being completely un-used to using a controller, so this doesn't really reflect on the control scheme, and motion sickness from very fast turns). My major issue was that after a fight I'd end up holding my controller in an uncomfortable, weird angle and then had to figure out how I'd get my character to look straight while getting my controller into a neutral position. The steam solution of only using gyro while your thumb is on the right joystick is great for joystick + gyro, but doesn't work as well for flick stick because it's hard to rest your thumb on the stick and not accidentally turn too far. A "make the character look to 0 degrees vertically" button wouldn't go amiss, but that would have to be built into the game itself. I want to know if this is something other people feel, or if it's a problem that I'll quickly get over. Or even if it's a problem with my hardware, perhaps my gyro is damaged and has too much vertical velocity. Any anecdotes or advice would be much appreciated.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I personally always make sure I have a button that disables the gyro when it's held. That means I can always reposition the controller without messing with my view. It's basically the same as how we use a mouse -- if we get to the edge of the mousepad or we anticipate needing more room, we lift the mouse up (temporarily disabling it) and reposition it. I'll usually combine this with another button -- for example, tap Circle to crouch, hold circle to disable the gyro. It can be cumbersome at first (as is using a mouse for the very first time), but as you get used to it, just like with mouse, you'll get into the habit of repositioning without even thinking about it at opportune moments -- while reloading, during a break in the action, etc.

[@set-theory]

@@JibbSmartGD I'll try that out, thanks for the advice!

[@tobiasjenchen4647]

I discovered your channel and your work only a few days ago. It is kind of exciting to see this concept of absolut input, that is flick stick, be implemented on a major platform so soon after being made aware of it. After a bit of research (searching y-positioning on KZbin leads to the earliest example), I found out that soon after Splatoons release in 2015 players figured something similar to flick stick out. The recenter function works of off the direction your character is facing, which is controlled by the right analog stick. So if you turn your character and press the Y button to recenter it acts as the flick stick in that case. Not as elegant or as universally applicable, but there nonetheless. I also can't make my JoyCons work properly. They seem to update both analog and gyro input far slower than in your demonstrations. It is especially wierd, since the Pro Controller works perfectly fine. Any idea why that could be?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Flick stick was kinda inspired by Splatoon's y-positioning :) With the Joy-Cons, is that using Steam or JoyShockMapper? My understanding is that Steam doesn't support the Joy-Cons properly yet

[@tobiasjenchen4647]

@@JibbSmartGD JoyShockMapper, Steam does not even recognize them. Could just be my luck with laptops. The first one could not even run Steam, the second one literally had a fake wireless card and a faulty hard drive and my most recent one kept randomly crashing due to a registry edit to use the < key on the keyboard properly interfering with the newest Windows update. Who knows what else is wrong.

[@JibbSmartGD]

@@tobiasjenchen4647 I'm surprised JSM doesn't recognise them. Are they official?

[@tobiasjenchen4647]

@@JibbSmartGD Only Steam does not recognize JoyCons. JoyShockMapper does, but they update slowly. One pair came with the Switch and the second pair was bought seperatly at retail. They work fine with the console, outside of some known fixable issues like analog drift and shorter wireless range on the left one, because the antenna is directly integrated in the circuit board.

[@JibbSmartGD]

@@tobiasjenchen4647 Oh, gotcha. On some computers I've found the bluetooth isn't fast enough to keep up with both Joy-Cons at the same time, unfortunately :(

[@KevinGeneFeldman]

Can you explain how you get to this screen? I can't find any way to turn on flick stick.

[@JibbSmartGD]

You need to opt into Steam's beta. In the Controller Configurator you'll find "Flick Stick" as an option when customising a stick input

[@karmabasedj8184]

Quick question: For gyro aiming in a 3d game do you recommend using Real World Calibration or Gyro Sensitivity options to increase or decrease freedom of aiming without loss in smoothness?

[@JibbSmartGD]

I generally recommend not changing Real World Calibration once it's correct. A correct RWC and In Game Sens should mean your Gyro Sens options use real world values -- 1 for 1:1 turning, etc. Correct RWC and In Game Sens means flick stick will work correctly, too. Gyro Sens can then be changed as needed without messing with flick stick. I'm guessing by "without loss of smoothness" you mean due to whatever rounding is happening in all the calculations. I think the best solution there is for your actual in game sensitivity to be very low, as this means the smallest possible mouse movement translates to a very small in game turn

[@karmabasedj8184]

@@JibbSmartGD Gotcha makes sense. Thanks, really appreciate it! One last question for now: How to toggle between GYRO_ON and GYRO_OFF using one button? I like to keep gyro enabled for my 3rd person games and then disable it on certain occassions. For eg in GTA 5, I like gyro aiming during free roam as well as as while aiming, but I like to keep it turned off when driving. I can't seem to make this work for the last couple of hours. Steam has what I am looking for : gyro toggle or on/off button but I like your gyro implementation more than Steam so I really want this to work with Joyshockmapper

[@JibbSmartGD]

The latest release of JoyShockMapper doesn't have toggling, but Nicolas has added it in the next version, which we're still testing.

[@karmabasedj8184]

@@JibbSmartGD Gotcha...thanks!

[@MikeAngel06]

I'm new to all of this, whenever I go to BIG PICTURE controller settings and look for Flick Stick... I don't seen any option that says GAMEPAD WITH CAMERA OPTIONS like in the video.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I think it's still only in beta, so you have to opt in to the beta version of Steam to try it out

[@MikeAngel06]

@@JibbSmartGD I see it now. Thank you!

[@aransahebi7162]

I finally got JSM to work with my joycons! I just wish there was a way to disable flick stick as it's not my cup of tea though

[@JibbSmartGD]

You can disable flick stick :) Just set RIGHT_STICK_MODE = AIM

[@celkou]

i cant seems to find the flick stick option in gyro even updating steam to beta, am i missing something?

[@JibbSmartGD]

The flick stick option is in stick, not gyro :)

[@celkou]

@@JibbSmartGD oh right damn, i look like an idiot realizing that, anyway thanks for all your works!

[@IISilverSoul24II]

Is that controller overlay somewhere to download?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Not yet. I'm still working on it. Glad you like it!

[@EyeQue62]

I like the cut of your jib, Jibb ;)

[@JibbSmartGD]

Haha, thanks

[@115zombies935]

Hey, what are your thoughts on acceleration with gyro aiming? I’ve always heard that acceleration is bad for mouse aiming as it means you can’t build proper muscle memory, is this different with gyro aiming?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Hi! Acceleration is useful when the player doesn't have much room to move their mouse. It's the same with gyro -- it can be a good way to get more range and still keep the precision of a lower sensitivity. It also depends on the implementation. Most don't have a cap, which is why building muscle memory for flicks is so hard. A cap means you can still have consistency with reasonably fast movements and build muscle memory no sweat

[@115zombies935]

@@JibbSmartGD Thank you! Would you happen to know if steam’s implementation of gyro acceleration has a cap? I know in JSM you have tons of options to be able to set yourself, but in steam there only seems to be low medium and high settings with no other advanced options.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I don't know of any other acceleration settings for Steam's gyro, I'm afraid. No cap option as far as I know

[@orderlyhippo1569]

This is cool and all, but there should be an option for flick in ALL directions. It would feel like a trckpad. When stick flicked and released (detects snap to center), the mouse would drift in direction of flick! Then the stick could be used as a normal joystick mouse or 1:1 style mouse the rest of the time.

[@mattlee12]

The firearm recoil gradually raises the gyro aim point. If I don't use the Y axis of the R stick, my wrist will bend forward or my character will see the ceiling. Doom and Portal both have zero recoil so it's ok, but are there any issues like this when playing other fps games?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Most mouse-aim games are pretty light on the recoil. Console games like to do it because sticks can keep countering it forever without having to reposition, and aim assist makes it relatively easy to manage. When played with JSM on PC, Overwatch has some recoil but counters it automatically (maybe requires some fiddling with the settings). CSGO's recoil works by offsetting from the crosshair rather than constantly pitching the camera, so it's manageable. Quake doesn't have recoil. I didn't have issues with Apex Legends, CoD Warzone, Crysis, Halo, Shadow Warrior 2, Destiny 2, Superhot, Serious Sam 3, Devil Daggers... pretty much anything I've tried has had either no recoil or only a manageable amount.

[@mattlee12]

@@JibbSmartGD awesome, thanks!

[@JibbSmartGD]

No worries! I forgot to say it's a great question. Thanks for bringing attention to the recoil issue. Recoil can be a really big deal in some console games, and that could have big implications for how gyro and flick stick might be added to those games.

[@HeadShoht]

Please do a video comparing joyshockmappers gyro implementation vs steams! I use motion controls to play most of the time and would like to know which solution is better

[@JibbSmartGD]

Steam's gyro controls are good -- better than I've seen in any game natively. JoyShockMapper offers mostly even better options: natural sensitivity scale, better smoothing (so it doesn't add any input lag to almost all movements), better acceleration options, and better deadzone options. One advantage Steam has is its nicer interface. And very recently, Steam added the option for automatic gyro calibration. If you frequently need to recalibrate your gyro (like, multiple times in one play session), this is a great option to have, and it's something JoyShockMapper doesn't have. If your controller doesn't need recalibrating very frequently, manual calibration offers more reliability and precision.

[@80sJoel]

YES

[@HalfBlindProductions]

this is so good! is anyone having it where the controls lock up for a second after each 180 flick? I'm using this in master chief collection so I can stop having to deal with not being able to turn fast enough

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'm afraid I haven't encountered this. Are you using a mixed config (some inputs mapped to controller, some to mouse)?

[@HalfBlindProductions]

@@JibbSmartGD I'm trying to control my keyboard and mouse using my controller. there's a chance I didn't bind something right. but I do know that halo MCC doesn't let you switch controls mid-game anymore if it's online. I should test it online and see if the problem persists.

[@wile123456]

Using a steam controller I can't possibly get the flicks right at the same time with rotation. I prioritize flicks more than rotation when calibrating. It also lacks setting the button to anything and there is no haptic feedback available

[@rogermorse_]

Hello. I am using flick stick with Alan Wake and a Nacon controller. Everything seems to work fine. I have always been a Steam controller supporter but the horrible polling rate of the gyro (easily noticeable above 60fps) makes me want to ditch it. That is why now I will be using a PS4 dual stick controller (they have better gyroscope) and your flick stick comes really in handy for shooters, especially because there is NO touch sensor on which to bind "activate gyro" (no touch sensor on the right analog stick and no right touchpad like steam controller has). Flick Stick kind of makes things easier with this hardware limitation (of not having a touchpad or a touch bind to assign to it). Just a simple question: if Flick Stick is using mouse joystick as an input, why is there stutter in 360 camera panning? Alan Wake is completely smooth (100fps steady). If I use Flick Stick on RDR2 though, there is some micro stutter while turning and I don't understand why. Mouse Joystick input camera is completely smooth, but flick stick rotation gives a lot of stutter, no matter how much smoothing I set to it. These are the only 2 games I tried with flick stick (same controller) so can't compare to others.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I'm glad you're enjoying flick stick! Hmm... I don't know much about Steam's smoothing. I'm surprised to hear it's not helping.

[@teneesh3376]

Does make my work on a JoyShockMapper profile for Vanquish pointless. Couldn't upload it to gyrowiki either way. Can't make a profile for the wiki. The email for confirmation won't send

[@JibbSmartGD]

Sorry to hear GyroWiki registration wasn't working for you. Did you check your spam folder?

[@teneesh3376]

@@JibbSmartGD yeah. Still nothing

[@teneesh3376]

@@JibbSmartGD if I reply for the code I used for Vanquish, can you upload it?

[@danielwilliams3161]

Is there a way to convert Nintendo switch Gyro controllers to steams Gyro controllers

[@maxpayenvenic6029]

Does flick stick is still a feature in steam beta ? Because I can't find it in style of input options.

[@JibbSmartGD]

I think it is still in beta

[@LBEvideo]

Can I play with flick stick in COD modern warfare 2020 on PC??

[@JibbSmartGD]

I think that should work. I've played some Warzone with flick stick using JSM.

[@salikabbasi5448]

Should be called Jibb stick!

[@JibbSmartGD]

😆

[@thegrimreaper7]

Can you try making a video for the stalker games? Your videos got me to buy a ds4 controller haha. I can't wait to try this out!

[@JibbSmartGD]

Stalker's one of those games that I've heard such good things about but never played. I'll have to finally check it out!

[@orderlyhippo1569]

I’m really wish there was a flick stick “axis” option so u can set the flick to move vertically instead of horizontal :(

[@semago8840]

What program do you use to make the controller models in the left of the screen?

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's my own program, called JoyShockOverlay, which isn't public yet, but I'm working on it :)

[@remsalt3882]

What program DO YOU use to show your controller on screen

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's a program I'm working on called JoyShockOverlay. It's not ready for release yet, but it works well enough for my videos :)

[@ShivaM-dc4xe]

can i use this with third party controllers having gyro input ?

[@JibbSmartGD]

Some controllers just pretend they're a Switch Pro and work just fine. Some communicate differently (such as PowerA controllers) and won't work at all. I don't know for sure which ones work and which don't, but the gyro gaming discord has lots of people using different controllers and you could ask there

[@ShivaM-dc4xe]

@@JibbSmartGD i have been thinking about what to buy and i guess the ds4 is the best for me . Thanks for replying !!!

[@JibbSmartGD]

No problem :)

[@yourdecentralizedreminder5623]

How did you put 3D control on video

[@JibbSmartGD]

It's my own program called JoyShockOverlay. I'm still working on it, but it works well enough for my own videos

[@yourdecentralizedreminder5623]

Gyro Gaming if there is way to use mobile gyroscope its will crazy for stream or also mobile support mobile have 100hz gyroscope sensors

[@curtislewis8838]

Is it possible to put the gyro config on something like a Cronus max or strike pack to use this on console

[@curtislewis8838]

I was also tried this on my laptop I got to the step when you open up joystick mapper to test inputs all buttons worked by gyro didn’t I also tried to play krunker which is the game I wanted to use this for

[@JibbSmartGD]

Gyro isn't on my default. Did you enter the command GYRO_SENS = 1 before checking for mouse movement?

[@Somtric]

Awesome