The Black Keys: A Big Record Deal Can Destroy You

[@TheTimClay]

Dope that you interviewed these guys. Interview some more musicians/bands. 🤙

[@decadesofsegregation9677]

Tim Clay I agree - this & the billy corgan one are enlightening for musicians

[@dennisjr77]

He has Maynard (didn’t talk much about tool and the music though) but the billy corgan interview was great!

[@josuastangl7140]

James Hetfield was also on, was great even tho they spent an hour talking about bees😂

[@pcbacklash_3261]

Shirley Manson (Garbage) was on a couple years back, and that was a very interesting interview. An AWESOME Scottish accent, by the way.

[@MarlonAnthony]

It's fascinating and valuable warts and all insight into the underbelly of the music industry

[@ScottishScott2024]

I love it when Joe gets musicians on who give an insight into the 'behind the scenes' stuff. The Shirley Manson and Steve Tyler episodes are very interesting. More musicians and Bill Burr please

[@edpin00]

Scott McNair Trent Reznor would be great in this podcast.

[@ScottishScott2024]

@@edpin00 Yes Ed. Imagine the things he could talk about with all the shit he went through with TVT Records. Personally, i would love to hear what messed up his working relationship with Clint Mansell (of Pop Will Eat Itself). There's an idea - get Clint Mansell on. That guy knows how to score a movie.

[@wilsonrutherford7519]

The billy corgan episode is great too if you havent seen it

[@murderinc.hunting7686]

This is so spot on. As a former musician, I still remember all the bands we played with that had ANY success telling us "whatever you do, don't sign a deal! They'll just put you up against 20 other bands just like you and shelve all of you." Joke was on them, we weren't that successful anyway lol

[@GhostradamusX]

lol I hear ya

[@alluringbliss4165]

So it's a method to kill the competition , me thinks. Sign as many and shelf them for a decade.

[@Skyler-Blucifer]

This interview made me fall in love with these guys again, but for far more than just their music. MAD RESPECT. These guys ARE rock’n’roll.

[@missioncodez]

So much better since they got rid of Fergie....

[@johnmclane8760]

LMFAO

[@quietbunny5627]

Dood !!! 😂🤣🤣🤣

[@sambelyea678]

Best comment winner goes to..

[@Dominick_Francione]

A Geek of One Blahahahaha!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@rockboi91]

😅😂🤣😂😅😂🤣

[@TheAmodeo21]

Jerry Seinfeld would say NBC executives would tell him things to change because they thought it would be funnier. It's the same crap in all of these industries.

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Futurama said that Fox would tell them to up the stakes or what is at stake in this episode. Stakes aren't high enough! Can you make this sci-fi cartoon less sci-fi and just keep it in New York... but the world's entire destruction is at stake?

[@jms980]

Rob Zombie on the podcast said the same thing about the executives when he was making Halloween.

[@jiggaflo1]

This is why the Internet is great. Investment plus marketing equals creative independence. You can make more money with less fans/clients/viewers doing things by yourself. Just takes a bit longer and requires perseverance

[@acfosterpost]

@@jiggaflo1 Ryan Leslie crunched the numbers and came to the same conclusion.

[@jamietodd2560]

People trying to justify their own jobs. It's all one giant hedge. If something succeeds it's because of their input, if it fails it's because their input wasn't properly followed, and on to the next project.

[@ivyking4149]

As Dave Chapelle said: It's the game, and I'm not playing it their way.

[@yaboi6013]

Gotta love that Dan laughs his ass of at w/e Patrick says. These guys real bros

[@TraumaAD]

hahahaha i always noticed that in various interviews. Pat will be just trolling in an interview and Dan is dying..

[@j2times2006]

Because a guy laughed at another guy's statements? Are you high or something? Get it together will ya

[@tezzrterry7485]

Even though Dan must have heard it many times before.

[@neilcash8040]

I’d listen to this guy all day - so refreshing

[@60zeller]

Interesting how this band works. One guy writes the music the other guy does all the talking during interviews

[@MakerInMotion]

It doesn't seem like he's hogging the spotlight or anything though. I think he's just more of an extrovert. It's a lot like Penn and Teller. Penn admits openly that Teller is the better magician and designs most of the tricks, but their whole gimmick is he's the silent one and he's fine with it.

[@BloodNAshez]

@@MakerInMotion great point. not everyone wants the spotlight or tolerates being a spokesperson.

[@Zappappappappa]

Dan is extremely shy and awkward, a lot of great musicians are like that and they let their music speak for themselves.

[@KingCooperProjects]

It seems like one guy’s the creative, one guy’s the business. This is not uncommon. Business types are more chatty in my experience.

[@Kimock7Autism]

I have found over the years when the lead singer in a band get's a lot of the attention on stage as the lead singer and often leader in the band, during interviews off stage other band members will be given the opportunity to lead in interviews. Kind of an exchange of respect.

[@jacksams1011]

I'm a "musician" from Canton Ohio, 10 miles from Akron, I love seeing how humble these guys are! Yes, Ohio is a very special, and inspiring place! Its beautiful here!

[@amcrmd]

if you play music and you love what you do, you’re a god damn musician my friend. no quotations needed.

[@Sean_Plays_Guitar]

The first time I jammed with a drummer, we sat down, smoked two joints while listening to Thickfreakness in it’s entirety, and then we feebly attempted to recreate its spirit. I still have the cassettes from that jam session. ❤️

[@QuicksandHUM]

Weird thing about getting a record deal is that it can mess with your head on a number of levels. We were popular locally, generated buzz on tour, then when we got signed they acted like they had to "fix" us. We were good enough to sell out clubs and get signed, but then all of a sudden they acted like we weren't quite good enough. Lots of attempted tinkering. Lots of hurry up and wait. The whole experience was bizarre. That said, many people get their deal and take off like a rocket. I have friends that won the musical lottery. Like anything, there are a ton of variables, and your mileage may vary. For us, the most fun we had was being independent and doing what we wanted when we wanted. The deal was cancerous for us, and we died a slow death.

[@bernieguwop2448]

if you’re expecting someone to ask who you are its not gonna happen

[@rasheemthebestfirstone3274]

@@bernieguwop2448 he should tell us who he is tho

[@QuicksandHUM]

@@bernieguwop2448 Why would I care? What would sharing my name or band do since I stated that we didn't make it nationally.

[@Scootrmacl]

Excuse the other comments under this, I personally appreciate the insight regardless of how big or small your band was.

[@mannyvelo]

Amazing insight. Thank you for that.

[@williamz7011]

I’d love to see a Dave Grohl interview. Make it happen!

[@cantina2425]

William Z yuck more like Ty Segall

[@TheBlueprintsOrlando]

Yes

[@joeschianodicola1810]

YESS!!!

[@3LionsCoaching]

Please make this happen.. Dave Grohl gets interviewed a lot but it’s all the same, boring, obvious stuff. Get deep with him!

[@michaelscott-joynt3215]

That's not a bad idea, because I've never been impressed. Could be interesting to see how unique and insightful he can be. On the other hand, he headlined a concert along with other A-list music industry prostitutes to benefit Biden-Harris campaign, so that doesn't help to suggest that Dave is smarter and more interesting than his fans.

[@owenkenney1708]

im gonna start using pepperdine dudes as an insult now

[@dancingwithdavetalesfromth6136]

I know guys that got signed to a major label only because the label didn’t want them as competitors and as usual got shelved.

[@dennisjr77]

Yep! Heard of that too!

[@mooreoftre]

Damn never heard of that

[@humanoidbastard673]

Daaamn

[@fritzd84]

Dancing with Dave tales from the Strip Harden happens all the time. More than people know.

[@christopherhickman3579]

That’s evil....

[@unrealeck]

Really like these guys' music. Haven't heard them talk other than briefly during a live radio set.

[@mocoyotzi11]

One of the most famous albums that has been shelved, i think, is "...For the Whole World to See" by a band called 'Death' back in 1975 in Detroit. It didn't get released until 2009, and they have since been regarded as 'proto-punk', creating a punk sound before big wave of bunks banks in the late 70s and early 80s. Solid album, they have an amazing sound, you guys should check it out !! Its on KZbin !

[@HotStrange]

Was listening to this just a few days ago. It’s great!

[@derfgerps4016]

Moses Sanchez that is a great fucking record lord.

[@MajesticDemonLord]

I read this comment, thinking it was about some un-released stuff from Chuck Shuldiner, but it's not the Death that I'm familiar with.

[@Erin31499]

Love Death

[@andreborges3849]

It’s on Spotify as well. Great band really.

[@Xibit]

As an artist this actually makes the music industry seem much more terrifying than I thought

[@Guppusmaximus]

If you're interested in making music just for industry recognition then you should choose another job.

[@Xibit]

Guppusmaximus well that’s not the reason I’m passionate for music, but it’s not unreasonable to wanna be in the industry one day.

[@Guppusmaximus]

@@Xibit Certainly not unreasonable. However, the industry is and always has been the reason why artists can't make a decent wage (from lopsided deals to distribution monopolies). It's probably good for people who don't have a real vision.

[@mrrooster4876]

It's always been like this and more. The leave a lot out. I suggest you read the book Confessions Of A Record Producer by Moses Avalon

[@josuastangl7140]

@@mja1742 the industry has changed, labels are almost irrelevant and you can do almost everything on your own.

[@MajesticDemonLord]

Not a fan of their music, but it's really interesting hearing them talk about scummy Music Industry types...

[@ImTheBlackJesus]

Joe "Let's Raid Warner Bros Vaults, They Can't Stop All of Us" Rogan

[@Rosterized]

there must be hundreds of hidden gems just sitting in some music vaults that maybe 5% of them will ever see the light of day, such a shame

[@mflugo9082]

True like all of madlibs music.

[@djcj]

This aged well 🙈

[@rzawistowski33]

More productive than raiding the capital, in this digital age just effing release/liscence everything to streaming services and make billions

[@0b3dead50]

theres something about that look he gives joe when he says “the change of LA is something they’re trying to actively avoid” that says alot

[@rosemorningstar5368]

This reminds me of the plot to the movie/play The Producers. They (the producers) realize they can make more money on a flop than a hit because they can just claim it as a loss and keep all the money they made from it.

[@Indiboy500]

I love the topic of small city music bubbles. Right now (from the perspective of musical "art") it seems like central Illinois' scenes are crushing Chicago's. I mean, you wouldn't be able to tell that from social media numbers but the corn fields are just overflowing with high caliber musicians. And beyond the raw talent factor, the breadth/variety is outstanding as well. "It plays in Peoria" might be a phrase we rediscover again soon!

[@cursedfakenewscfn967]

I hear Minneapolis as well

[@thelastmanonearth2631]

@@cursedfakenewscfn967 - quietly the best live music city in the country. Just don't go in the winter time!!

[@danielmeyers8943]

Please interview Chino Moreno of Deftones

[@bfra881]

Awesome that you had them on. These guys are the same age and graduated the same year in a school in Akron down the street from my school.

[@TheAcenightcreeper]

B Fra cool story bro...did you guys used to party together in some guys basement too and you told them the story about a breakup, and then you heard their album and they wrote about it...and then they called you later to thank you too?

[@TIBVR]

Michael, calm down dude

[@TheAcenightcreeper]

AcidBro im perfectly calm, lot calmer than you dude...

[@HotStrange]

Michael lmao nice.

[@TIBVR]

Michael , you’re trying to hard dude. Kinda embarrassing

[@BloodFireDoom]

Patrick is clearly the lawyer of the band

[@animedreammachine7123]

In all honesty, for Joes podcast I usually listen half way and finish later or not at all, but I couldn’t put this one down.

[@gebeleixis]

You just described my very exact feelings! thank u.

[@charlieparker7159]

Robert Quine was the shit. His work on the Blank Generation album is fantastic

[@Pomeray8]

Charlie Parker seriously one of the greats! glad to hear his name put out there

[@DinnerBells]

His VU tapes are solid too.

[@dmarshy]

I love that they jinx themselves on "Wizard" describing Tchad Blake. Then Dan "He lives in Wales...'

[@rikky383]

LA seems to gravitate toward punk. Lots of notable punk bands come to mind but not many within the last 20 years. Come to think of it, not many notable rock bands have emerged from anywhere within the last 20 years. There are just too many options for any one band to get super huge. Plus all the young kids have been duped into listening to terrible rap music.. while us older dudes got bigger things to worry about than discovering new rock bands

[@anthonygreen6219]

Rick Beato has touched on this subject. He has some great insight into the scene.

[@thegoodsamaritan112]

could u link the video please?

[@stezenast5878]

Rick Beato is amazing for all the instruction he puts out

[@wheelingfree]

Wish I could hear Dan speak for more than 5 seconds at a time

[@rickc2102]

See: Joe Rogan Experience #789.

[@Infametheus]

Go see the Black Keys live

[@worthplaner3701]

Can’t imagine how much Joe loved hearing “even though we were on the outside we were on the inside” 6:00

[@jeremyhopkins646]

It's funny to hear them talk about that change, because I think it was pretty evident after Brothers.

[@Guppusmaximus]

Don't forget the Florida Death Metal scene. Pretty much established the genre.

[@Guaguadeath]

And in Michigan

[@Doomreb]

RIP Chuck Schuldiner

[@randolfo1265]

Isn't there a Florida Death Metal scene in every state?

[@hdlight]

Love this. So much of it relates to all artists across many mediums. Thanks dudes!

[@danweir]

I knew about Ralph Carney, was lucky enough to work w him. But Robert Quine? Jesus... the dude's a legend. How weird that their only connection to the record industry were these two musical geniuses.

[@CroTube5000]

Very cool about Robert Quine. He was beyond amazing with Lloyd Cole as well.

[@Day-ZDuke]

What Patrick is describing as the best place to be “outside but still inside” the industry, is what Griselda Records (Westside Gunn, Conway, & Benny the Butcher) are finessing right now....major label deal with Shady Records, management from RocNation, yet still have full control to release any music they want under their own label, control & sell their own merch, do their own shows, etc. Almost unheard of in hip-hop. But the organic movement they created was so strong, they had the leverage to do it

[@messierultra]

Thats what Logic was doing when he first got signed to Def Jam through his label Visionary, that organic movement is what's gonna help artists stay around in the long run too.

[@noneofyourbusiness1114]

Aye GXFR!!

[@wilsonrutherford7519]

Patrick "We learned this shit years ago" Carney

[@Hatipcengiz]

Thumbnail looks like Joe is interviewing Austin Powers

[@JFlovesjesus]

BAHAHAHAAAHAHAA, it really does

[@rickc2102]

Looks more like Austin Powers' dad.

[@Rockesb888]

😂😂 yeahhh baby, yeahh

[@GLPitt1]

Allow myself to introduce....my self...

[@usernotfound904]

Joe “I don’t ever read the comments I just know every last thing the fans say about me” Rogan

[@kilalawak70]

Joe is a twitter guy not a youtube guy.

[@DTog1]

@@kilalawak70 everyone watches youtube don't kid yourself

[@karendarlingartist]

This interview is an eye opener. You guys missed out with the Sheep Dogs down there too btw.....they’re awesome 🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@DJBuglip]

Brilliant summation of the biz, man, I'm gonna bookmark this to point people with questions at.

[@ChrisConwayinthestudio]

I enjoyed this segment very much. Being a mix engineer for 25 years and having gone through that crap I can relate. When marketing guys start asking you to change sn sounds and cake shit with more reverb it's time to pull the plug. And my young clients ask me why I don't like to do major label gigs that often anymore.

[@deadnazisaregoodnazis5664]

There was a time when i felt like these guys were making songs about my life lol like they somehow had a crystal ball that spied through time and space and for some damn reason fixated on me and then just wrote songs about what they saw.

[@joelmiddaugh8229]

Another artist from Akron, named Joseph Arthur, has a line in a song that goes, "there's nothing to do in the Midwest but dream..." Lotta talent outta Akron.

[@billyhughes9776]

That story about the band the Sheep Dogs (I've seen them live,....amazingly good band), TChad Blake mixing, hihat too loud,..etc,.....ha...just incredible.

[@skafaced102]

Wait... they got paid $50 for their first gig? The early 2000s were better for live shows eh? $50 is better than drink tickets and free pizza.

[@andreborges3849]

First show in New York

[@skafaced102]

@@andreborges3849 lol... yea my first shows in NYC were all drink tickets or pizza. Honestly all of them were always that.

[@demogog3449]

There first gig actually netted them 10 dollars.

[@gruffalobill4812]

Watched them in Manchester few years back, not knowing much about them... absolutely brilliant, had a great time and will go down as one of the better gigs I've been to 👍

[@zzRider]

4:45 I find it fascinating the Sparks, from LA, never made it in the US, but internationally they had hits. They are a great band.

[@mjkrbjcw]

Tommy Kelly it’s like the English band Bush were big in America but unknown in England , Hendrix made it big in England way before Americans realised who he was

[@monksally]

I didn’t realize their connection to Robert Quine. That dude was fuckin’ awesome.

[@RolandDuke]

monksally I know!! Was a unique guitar player man!!

[@saturatedneowax]

I’m was like, “where have I heard the name Robert Quine?” and when he said Lou Reed my mind went oh yeah Quine tapes

[@blindspotspotter.2352]

Klonopin and Xanax are similar in both formulation and effect. Ive seen folks working their way off benzos....not a pretty sight. That road is long and difficut. Best of luck to Mr. Peterson.

[@kcdakrt]

wrong video bud

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

This is why I stay away from weed and only smoke beer

[@simontaneous]

This makes me think of the whole Wilco situation with Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, documented in the "I'm Trying to Break Your Heart". Execs coming in with all the know how on what makes a good record, and trying to get them to change everything. Thankfully they had the ability to do exactly what they wanted... aaaaaand Warner ended up essentially paying twice and releasing it as it was.

[@AgainstCronyCapitalsm]

His point about LA (and NY) really is right.

[@shanenelson5811]

Did anyone else catch where he said "Go to L.A. like Devo did, and then things change. Like we wanted to avoid doing that." You mean like selling your soul? Yep. That shit is real.

[@seffers4788]

Selling your soul is just selling out. It’s a thing in every part of society. A lot of small minds think it’s demonic or some shit.

[@unknownfilmmaker777]

11:29 I did that with song I wrote for a TV spot. Made several versions and made the last one the same as the first one (the one I wanted) and when the agency finally heard it they said, "Yes! That's the one!"

[@unknownfilmmaker777]

I've heard several stories like this. It's almost like a placebo effect for various expectations people have.

[@hamsandwichson]

Penn and Teller vibes 😃

[@ryanjohnson985]

You have one of the best usernames around!

[@hamsandwichson]

@@ryanjohnson985 aw thanks Ryan! Love, Ham.

[@chrisstevens8474]

I could listen to him talk all day.

[@theronhayden4671]

Never seen an interview with these guys....I think I like them.

[@dkmrap1]

The Black Keys really have an album with the Cool Kids that no one will ever get to hear

[@asazinator]

holy shit I need that

[@localnewsexchange870]

Hi Davino, could they recreate it in an unplugged type setting? I have a solution for distribution

[@headlesssoldier]

What the guy says about A&R Guy is true. I personally experienced it. Also about shelving records? Happened all time? Happened to my friends band on Atlantic. The thing you found out about the old biz was that there is a handful of talented people, and the rest are flotsam .

[@giggiesurge]

True. They hire their kids to find something cool and catch them like Pokémon. Weird game.

[@joeym3425]

I feel like every young aspiring artist should watch this.

[@lilypoon1175]

I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT MICHELLE BRANCH.

[@evanpearce1015]

this is sooooo TRUE, It happened to Ghost Town, created in Hollywood... label tweaking the whole third album into plastic, than dropped... the best is Atlantic keeps my first album I did all the engineering on my laptop and still gets 100,000 of plays every month

[@Watchdogger]

15 Pepperdine comms grads downvoted this

[@youngders574]

NEED another episode with Dan & Pat

[@mjwaldrep]

Robert Quine is an amazing guitar player! I love his work on Lloyd Cole's albums.

[@guitarlusteuphoria4507]

Oh, Dan does talk. It's like Penn and Teller. "Pepperdine Dude"......CLASSIC!" " THINK THE HIGH HAT IS TOO LOUD..." TRULY LOL.

[@wowblazeitm]

He starts to talk about the bad deal at 5:00

[@kylec2761]

Thx bro

[@dataslagter6713]

Thanks Joe, I somehow missed this band and now it's on repeat

[@jomocheatham]

Artists, listen and learn. Lovevthe Black Keys, and great info, but you'd almost forget that there was a third guy in the room.

[@michaelpietrangelo664]

IMO the best J. Rogan interview I’ve heard/seen.

[@stevenmiller7747]

Is this the only J. Rogan you’ve ever heard/seen?

[@Pariah_Larry]

I would love a Tom waits interview

[@metzyahrosenstein4827]

My man married to that girl that sings that Everywhere song? That's weirdly full circle hearing her and the keys back to back on the radio then finding that out.

[@ericstoecker2096]

So much truth in everything he is saying!!

[@christianchance5958]

Had no idea Patrick was this funny and level-headed and likable...

[@moisescampos5216]

The Black Keys are really enjoyable to listen to. KEEP ROCKIN ON BOYZ🤘🤘

[@Solitaryman70]

I don’t know why but I have a MAN-CRUSH for the Black-Keys, 😝, funny thing is; I never heard of them until this Joe Rogan Broadcast. 👍🏼😎👍🏼

[@JohnSmith-tz7iy]

Super intelligent, insightful interview

[@ballzack4866]

You can't manufacture talent. The Black Keys are a natural phenomenon.

[@giggiesurge]

Well said

[@bigbhoy7363]

Does anyone think record labels shelve records then as soon as an artist dies the label turns around and asks how they can sell it?

[@slycooper4067]

Big Bhoy opposite when the band makes it big on their own or another label. That’s when they release the “lost songs” compilation and fuck the band out of the royalties cause they own the shelved record

[@adrianmcleod3067]

Perfect time to make a movie based on a true story.

[@xaeoxic7328]

There really is something special about akron, had a soccer game there all the way from Newark. The field had a giant hump 2 feet taller than the rest of the field going longways through the middle. And the goals had square posts. At the time I was a 5'5 110lb little dude, and their 6'1 250 pound tank plowed me into the bleachers. Best game of my life

[@stormbringercoming8105]

Anybody trying to make it in the BIZ, listen up. DIY The only way to go.

[@3EBstudio]

Applies to all start up and let the offers come to you , definitely agree.

[@maxbrazil3712]

"some Pepperdine dude...." The truth cuts deep, lethally deep. Prince rejected a lot of offers until he got complete control of his music. Sounds like these guys are just as smart.

[@markschmidt908]

As former bar band musician who rubbed shoulders with music industry " geniuses", he is exactly right...I LOVED playing and singing but the business end of it is like a sharp stick in the eye...IF you are a misician, be aware of this...NO ONE is on your side.

[@ronmercer7766]

Robert Quine and Ralph Carney. Heavy heavy cats.

[@proper_noun436]

Greetings from Akron. My favorite teacher went to Firestone with you, said you were pretty chill.

[@isaacdodson1565]

Joe!!! Please interview John Mayer!!

[@Scottni2]

excellent conversation here, very insightful

[@jonathanhughes8679]

A true artist has to be connected to something real.

[@aquaIungg]

Dangermouse! Totally changed this bands success with "Brothers" Responsible for other great acts like Gnarls Barkley & Broken Bells.

[@bobzuruncle8424]

All those bands play “commercial jingle” music. Any tune you’d play for me from those bands make me visualize a Nissan stanza commercial.

[@aquaIungg]

@@bobzuruncle8424 "Commercial jingle" music that made them successful nonetheless.

[@nicolassayada9982]

Really enlightening!

[@RaquelFoster]

That hi-hat controversy certainly created a lot of resentment for Pepperdine! 😄

[@BillNeilan]

It’s like finding out how sausage is made :(

[@MrBluntz]

Explain :3

[@aldinyod]

@@MrBluntz sausage is delicious but the process is gross and disturbing.. Bill here is basically saying the smoke and mirrors of the label industry is similar to the dissatisfaction of finding out the process of making sausages lol

[@EzE33]

"if you can spend the time, get the time"

[@shmaknapublar]

Patty Griffin also fell victim to a large label taking her work and shelving it. And that was a record produced by the legendary Daniel Lanois. Two amazing artists whose work was simply tossed aside.

[@brycewalker6110]

You should try your hand at getting david gilmour on the podcast. I could see it potentially being cool ✌🏻

[@Victor.Spoils]

is this also the real industry meaning behind the "needs more cowbell" skit?