The Black Keys: Do Bands Need Record Labels Anymore?

Taken from JRE #1354 w/The Black Keys: • Joe Rogan Experience #...

[@hyacinth1320]

I wish more people would talk about the behind the scenes stuff about industries.

[@WadeLucas]

true - but as soon as they do they would probably be blacklisted lol

[@SvenDzahov]

It's shady as fuck, got signed to even a small start up label, took 40% of my debut and essentially did nothing, I still paid for the google ads, posters, billboards, funded shows. ect, and this is an indie label, imagine the big ones

[@stateofblitz]

@@SvenDzahov yeah my friend signed to a small label and they literally did nothing. Just occasionally gave them free weed.

[@olas591]

I second that mi amigo

[@blastofo]

A lot of people aren't geeks like us.

[@TheJDeuce]

"Industry rule number 4080, record company people are shadyyy!"-Q-Tip

[@brandonlara5375]

It's actually "Industry rule #4080". Just a heads up!!!!!

[@kmasonsos]

Brandon Lara sane thing

[@TheJDeuce]

@@brandonlara5375 I stand corrected!

[@lowejc79]

Its not their fault. Its the crack.

[@hellohell77]

Isn't it also industry rule numbers 1-4079?

[@mimaonfire]

The music industry seems to have changed over the years. I used to get excited about new music but now, I find it just isn't the same. I know there's great music out there but it's up to fans to find it since labels seem to mainly focus on the latest, cutest (and usually youngest) pop stars. The industry is starting to feel like the fast-food version of music. It's very sad because I know there are so many authentic and talented artists that have the power to entertain and move people but labels don't seem to care.

[@01What10]

I've noticed that too. I feel like I used to hear about good new bands, or discover great bands that went under my radar much more often. With the internet and how our society communicates now, you would think we would hear about more of these great bands more often. But All I ever hear about is the pepole like you are talking about. Mostly new pop music that all kind of sounds the same. All the singers are auto tuned, and the songs are so highly produced there is no soul in them. It just isn't the same, you are 100% correct.

[@mimaonfire]

@@01What10 I completely agree! It's interesting too because when I was a kid, I listened to a lot of classic rock from before my time (The Doors, The Beatles etc) but now, I notice a lot of younger people aren't at all familiar with music that isn't from the here and now. And I'm not talking about obscure bands but musicians that made music history. It's very disheartening.

[@Jake-gz6pw]

@@mimaonfire that old music made us think. Some of this new shit brainwashes people.

[@mikeygrayness]

the music industry has always been corrupt

[@shimes424]

Same story I heard 20 years ago listening to Chumbawumba's "Thumpthumper" or thumpthumping, can't remember. Difference is there's so many more outlets to discover new music, but most people stick with their Top40 FM stations in the car and listen to whatever plays at the bar.

[@joesmith332]

Joe "Just start your own podcast and become a millionaire like me" Rogan

[@Christopher-md7tf]

I think they already are millionaires 😜

[@Deejay27]

Pretty sure he was a millionaire before he started the podcast too.

[@wes4192]

You guys realize that 'millionaire' now means owns a nice house. 25 years ago it meant rich. In 25 more years it might mean owns a new car.

[@wes4192]

@D G You get my point though. It doesn't mean what it used to mean. I didn't mean to be a jerk, just provacative

[@cheese4746]

@@wes4192 I'll go to venezuela

[@adamkane9340]

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Truth!

[@matturner6890]

Credit Hunter yo

[@ZBot47]

Patrick Carney is a natural. Honest and funny AF. I'd support THAT podcast.

[@anakarina6639]

Joe was so motherly on this one, like a mom that tries to cheer up their kids after a rough day at school

[@masdonkey]

Vulfpeck model. No label, self produce, self promote, play 5 well placed shows a year, sell out Madison Square Garden

[@shadygroves8252]

Mas Donkey very true. It’s inspiring. It doesn’t work that way for everyone though. It’s not easy for ANYONE but some people have great songs, tour endlessly, promote a lot... but nothing ever happens

[@kylepolhemus781]

Mas Donkey msg Saturday baby- vulfpeck & fearless flyers 🙌🏼

[@Sancha_sanchez_in3D]

shawn100011 it’s a really great band check out 16 12 and funky duck

[@jasonwilliams7344]

shawn100011 It’s a Russian pack of wolves

[@miloo4875]

@@Sancha_sanchez_in3D went to check out both songs and singer has a great voice...very funky. 👍🏽

[@prmonster]

I'd listen to a Black Keys podcast

[@Microtonal_Cats]

The Ramones went gold, but it took 38 years and 3 of them were ten years dead when it happened. But what Patrick Carney says about influential bands never selling many records is still correct.

[@davidp252]

I would watch that new podcast. Daily.

[@takuansoho5440]

Me too. It would have to be better than pitchfork.

[@grubbybum3614]

Musicians are different to comics, many of them are shit at conversation.

[@tiredsentinel1724]

Grubby bum But they all have a story to tell. At least the song writers do.

[@fanieldox]

@@grubbybum3614 Thats not true at all. Lots of them are great conversationalists because working in a band requires so much communication compared to a comic sitting writing jokes on their own

[@grubbybum3614]

@@fanieldox well I said "many", not all obviously the singers are good. I find drummers are particularly quiet people.

[@devinmichaelroberts9954]

My buddies and I growing up all were in bands, one was called Acceptance, we played with them all the time.. They got signed to a major label, toured with yellowcard, greenday etc. and we were all stoked for them. A few years later the album came out but the major didn't do any press for it or anything so it fell on deaf ears. They were then shelved so the band was forced to break up because they legally couldn't leave the label. This is what labels do. It's fucking insane. I saw the lead singer about 5 years later and he was married working a normal job.

[@MagicPants647]

Damn no way?! I used to listen to Acceptance back in middle school. They had some great catchy songs. Had no idea that happened to them. Always wondered what happened. Do they still play music?

[@El6Magico6Arlequin6]

ironic that they couldnt simply accept the conditions of their contract and broke up

[@devinmichaelroberts9954]

@@MagicPants647 They reunited around that time a couple years ago too but it didnt go well obviously.. too old now. That wasnt the only band in my circle too, we played with Gatsbys American Dream and i was great friends with those guys, also toured with finch on drive thru records and a static lullaby. All of those bands were screwed eventually. Gatsbys was maybe the only one that did it right and never went major or tried to. So for a decade I was clinically depressed because all my friends from highschool and around me's bands were getting deals but we just couldnt seem to break through even though we had a good following. Now looking back im so grateful we didnt get signed and i gave up on that dream because i look at those guys who had that taste of success but now all of them are working minimum wage jobs largely and even more depressed beacuse they got a taste of the success and fame and it wasnt taken away from them. I wouldnt have survived that. Glad i failed at the start because i put time into building an art career instead that doesnt have the drama of the music industry. Galleries are better!

[@ahmedzii2526]

here we go again. rogan trying to convince celebrities to do podcast. cracks me up everytime

[@numberrunner3133]

Lol. And then trying to compare it's success to that of some average dude starting a podcast. They're not even close.

[@MDSMAZa]

Ahmed Zii a podcast is always the answer..or stem cell therapy

[@ptahrelayankh8253]

+Joe Also doesn't read the comments and I bet you know why. I'll give you a hint Negativity,and if neal can have a podcast anyone can.

[@ahmedzii2526]

i bet cancer can have a podcast too to explain why it exists.future news: podcast cures cancer!!

[@jaydenrock]

This might be the only time I agree with Joe about that. I could care less about The Black Keys music (I prefer Black Metal) but they are interesting guys.

[@Matthew-ez4ze]

Joe's idea about Dan and Pat starting a podcast with the structure of helping new bands would be brilliant.

[@heroblok6]

Id listen to it for sure 👍

[@stevenangel8235]

^^^ Or a non-profit like he also mentioned

[@robsteuber3792]

Hmm i think it's a great Idea. But.... What if it gets very populair and bands have to get in line to even being heard or get feed back. You need a team to do that and that will cost money. You end up just the same way. But i like the Idea.

[@JoseFlores-ne1pc]

The problem isn’t exposure, sure you can get someone more streams and even some fans, the problem is that labels contractually bind artists to ridiculous stipulations. His point about the Ramones met Joe with deaf ears - it is ridiculous that good art is being shelved, limited, or abused by people who have zero fucking clue about music.

[@podcastparlor4128]

Didnt even respond to the email. Warner’s and others- What a bunch of overpaid under qualified clowns

[@jerrypark7005]

I produce electronic music and Someone from Warners hit me up through email. We were in full conversation and one day just poof! fully ghosted me. Also his replies would take like 1 week every time. So a basic conversation that could take 5 minutes would take 7 weeks because of his slow replies, only for him to ghost me at the end. So rude.

[@humanheapotrash9898]

Jerry Park well electronic music is for fucking tools

[@cstubbssubs7746]

Electronic music elements are in everything you dumbass

[@cstubbssubs7746]

Yes, of course I have. But not everything is Led Zeppelin, grandpa. You mean to imply that synthesizers aren’t instruments? And that synths haven’t been enhancing all kinds of music for half a century now? If that’s the case, you aren’t worth responding to past this point.

[@r3d5ive87]

One day they’ll check their spam and find it.

[@billyonthewheels75]

Everybody who is interested in making music should watch this Black Keys interview and soak it up. Then watch it two more times, then go make music, the music you want to make. And that podcast would be the greatest thing to happen to folkswho are probably sitting out there wanting.....

[@genesiskeglar6372]

That’s actually not bad advice. A lot of commenters are railing against Joe because of this seemingly “generic” advice, but it actually is a new avenue for exposing your work to a larger audience these days.

[@ZalonDK]

@@genesiskeglar6372 Isn't that exactly what the "soundcloud rappers" do tho?

[@genesiskeglar6372]

ZalonDK I honestly don’t know. Maybe so. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad avenue, though. Or does it?

[@ZalonDK]

@@genesiskeglar6372 No, I think that is the way to get recognition for your work, just get it out there. It was just that in the podcast, he is raging against the labels picking up "soundcloud rappers" with 15million plays getting record deals :D

[@mattsteinfeld]

There are a lot of podcasts like that, especially for singer/songwriters

[@sm1ofakind]

Joe's got a great idea. The Black Keys are so interesting to listen to. Thumbs up!

[@videogalore]

Saw them play live in the UK years ago, I'd never heard of them before a friend invited me along and I was genuinely shocked at the wall of sound made by just two people. It was one of my favourite gigs, such talent! I can only imagine that van routine though, day in day out, just enough to do the same again in a few days time.

[@josephfish3353]

I'm surprised indie labels haven't caught on to doing daily podcasts to showcase new bands. Say the band members record albums out of pocket and they keep the royalties, the label keeps earnings from the podcast and they can set up a tour according to how popular the podcast is then keep a large percentage of those profits. Artists get the rest. They don't need to lug around heavy old vintage gear. A Kemper and electronic drum set work fine. Save the real gear for recording and special events. But what do I know

[@JayZombie1216]

That's a decent idea. But lugging around old gear is how they get their tone. It's something super important. Nobody is gonna use a 200$ amplifier at a gig when they have a 1,000$ 1962 Baseman at home..so.

[@josephfish3353]

@@JayZombie1216 don't get me wrong I have 3 amps all tube. I understand the desire to play them exclusively but, with all the technicalities of playing live I don't see why a label can't loan out a digital interface for most gigs and run everything through the PA. Most people can't tell a difference live anyway and you risk it getting broke or stolen.

[@JayZombie1216]

@@josephfish3353 that's true, I get that. I honestly think the only bands I could tell their tone on stage were A7X, Social D Aerosmith and Metallica. The others are all just distorted cackle lol Every other band

[@CorbCorbin]

Bands don’t do it, but there are podcasts that play a full set list of new music and talk about it.

[@CorbCorbin]

Joseph Fish Labels used to pay for the manager to rent whatever needed equipment for the gig. I envy players who can’t hear a difference, or just aren’t bothered by it. I can use just about any fully working tube amp, and a few Solid States, to get a sound I’m happy playing a gig with. Line in just makes everyone’s job easier, except the actual guitarist. 😆

[@danielwofford275]

"When you make a record your really proud of and no one fucking hears it and no one that works with you even responds to an email about it you have to find THAT SPACE WHERE YOU DONT WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY"-Sincerely Pat

[@Microtonal_Cats]

My band Bomb was dropped by Warner Brothers after one album, in 1991. They didn't even tell us we were dropped. Our manager heard it through the grapevine.

[@Questioneverythingx]

That was a great idea for them to make their own shit with podcasts. I'd listen to it everyday

[@runegeezy]

Never ever ever listened to Black Keys before but as a musician, I love listening to Carney talk. I could listen to him all day.

[@kasares17]

Joe is spot on, I would listen to Pat and Dan.

[@mp4-27d2]

I went to a music school and the teachers were all the time telling us how the industry was straight up, looking out for the artists and stuff. I never believed them only because of all the musicians, like the Black Keys, that say the opposite. They do need a podcast, I think that is a really good idea!

[@billyhughes9776]

Patrick is so angry,....I love it.

[@viniciuspriori]

Joe "Dude just start a podcast " rOGAN

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

Actually good advice for once.

[@timsharkey5794]

"My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was much less competition there." Indira Gandhi

[@genuinelyjag]

That's a nice quote, but Indira Gandhi was a nut job.

[@srividyarao7820]

Tim Sharkey if you knew anything about her and her family (then and now) you wouldn’t quote her.

[@hammill444]

Labels are interested in making money. They always were and still do today. However, back in the day, A &R people were concerned with signing artists to make money---- but also coveted quality.

[@kevinrixmusic]

A Black Keys podcast would be amazing! I love epic rants about todays music business and would love to hear these bands they're producing.

[@aledclifford1618]

My band do it completely independently, we turned down labels for this very reason. We don’t make music that sells out stadiums or huge clubs even, ha. But at least we don’t need to compromise & keep it all fun. This podcast was a park behind the curtain

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

The music industry is corrupted no doubt. And it is dying because the mystery is gone. Not long ago, when technology wasn't over reproducing every single bit of music available on our audio/iphone and computers, there was something called subtlety, which was minimal, through advertisement. Sometimes all it would take is one photo, whether it was letting the music do the talking, or something that would start a trend, and caught your attention. Marketing was minimal and yet it effective, and still worked. Not only was the music innovative, but it was ahead of the times, and was created by the actual artist. It was left to the imaginations of the youth, but still appealed to the masses. The whole process of being interested in an artists or groups music was about earning money, or waiting for an occasion to be able to go purchase the music, and or go see a performance. It was never instantaneous. Sometimes it would take several hours/ days to hear the artist come on the radio, or television. Or a monthly trek to the magazine stand to learn of any information pertaining to your interests. It was an experience that helped build your enthusiasm for that particular artist or music genre, hence, the passion/mystery. Which is all but gone now, thanks to technology. Don't get me wrong, the fact that we can instantaneously binge on whatever our hearts desire, even getting back into a specific music genre for several weeks/months at a time, is amazing. But ultimately, in the long run, the huge fix we may get out of it, can allow us to overdose on it, and can keep us away from actually buying the music or needing to go buy tickets to see them play, and ultimately support them. Apparently, the tradeoff is ultimately killing what the industry used to be. The way it was before is what made the industry strong. In just about every aspect. What they are doing now, for the most part, is crippling the future of the industry.

[@harvey2609]

Joe had the answer but the Black Key didn't really want to listen.

[@everettfanor1989]

Maybe a podcast isnt their thing. Not everyone wants a podcast. These guys are chill and just wanna make music

[@pageperpage]

Had an answer. It's a good one, but not the only answer.

[@vaticpillars]

Also musicians hate helping other musicians.

[@miloo4875]

The podcast thing or the why do you need label question? He asked the latter over and over and they coudnt explain why they need a record label anymore.

[@Idasla]

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[@cherrypickerguitars]

Great interview guys! I’m nearly 62. I started in the “biz” running errands, wrapping cables, labeling cables, wrapping cables some more, etc at a couple of early “24” track studios in Toronto in 1975. I’ve done everything from performing, managing, agent work, publicist work, club owner/operator, festival owner/operator, public radio show host, etc, etc. The music biz is dead, from my view. Mainly because I can no longer figure it out! By 2010 I couldn’t keep up with the pace of change, and as a manager at that point, I could no longer successfully perform for my clients/bands what I was supposed to be performing/providing. I loved the days of the “ big labels” because I understood the process. I managed to work thru ALL the changes - except for the file share/download issues. When your work becomes valueless, how to you eat? How do you carry on? Guess I’m just too old! Peace

[@lobos9182]

Can you recommend a book or course where i can learn about managing, agent and publicist work?

[@IvI4rt1n14]

What my guy was trying y say is: tug label helps with finacial relief with marketing, and tour cost. Like tour buses, hotels and production cost.

[@dananorth895]

Love REAL PEOPLE who are just down to earth! No ego, no pretext, no agenda, NO BULLSHIT! Just tell it like it is......great interview!👍

[@omega1231]

To make it without a record label you need someone who can do sound engineering, someone who can do PR (sadly, especially social media) and an agent Somehow you have to find that outside of the labels, that not only employ most of the professionals, but also have set the pricing bar so high by paying these people a lot of money, so in effect you need atleast atleast 2/3 of the aforementioned *inside the band* you need to not only find good musicians, but musicians that are good at something other than music. That's of course not mentioning that you need the equipment for recording aswell. Musicians that are good sound engineers are the most common by far, but it's very rare to find musicians that are good at selling themselves - the whole nature of being a creative doesn't lend itself to being a business man - the big benefit of a label is the fact that they supply all of the above, so that the musician can focus on just being a musician. It's just sad that the labels doesn't care about the quality of the musician as much as they care about their physical appearance, which in the end in the vastness of customers will sell more because music is not a meritocracy.

[@marcoflo6702]

What was it about Metallica's therapists? Joe kinda changed the subject immediately

[@Huelogy]

Their therapists are satanists

[@r3d5ive87]

Their therapists gave me the creeps and reminded me a little of the guy that made things worse for Brian Wilson

[@heroblok6]

He was trying to get them to use their "feelings" lol and James was ready to lose his shit🤬😤

[@bradenclark1477]

People who have good odds of making money are getting signed. Sounds about right.

[@NotABotok]

Braden Clark labels are a business not a charity

[@bradenclark1477]

@@NotABotok heard that!

[@bradenclark1477]

@@NotABotok I wasn't saying it was a bad thing at all.

[@NotABotok]

Braden Clark fair enough

[@gstylez0107]

Yup

[@fauxmason]

I've watch a shit ton of these snippets from this episode and I have so much more respect from patrick after this. I love how he's the more talkative one and then dan has all the lyrics in the songs it's cool

[@j.cheeverloophole9029]

Fascinating to hear a band discussion all their albums and fame over almost 20 years......that I've honestly never heard of here in Europe.

[@transporterIII]

newsflash!: corporations are anti-human

[@josephjohnphillips2535]

ONE good way that I heard SZA and 21 Savage used was to stay independent for a few years and build an organic fanbase online. Then, when labels come crawling, you can leverage your online following to get a better record deal. So guys like Lil Nas X, Lil Tecca (I listen to a lot of rap), ideally shouldn't sign deals based off the success of Old Town Road and Ransom, they should hold off till they are proven to be successful songwriters and get good tour figures. Look at Lil Pump, a handful of hot songs, gets signed and his album Harvard Dropout is a flop. His career is probably relying on his next songs being a hit or he is done.

[@papichefitup]

Sza was not independent she had tde records behind her

[@josephjohnphillips2535]

@@papichefitup as I'm sure you are aware, TDE is an independent label. Before she released CTRL, she signed a deal with RCA, a major label under Sony Music Group. That's about as far as my knowledge goes. Whether she signed a 360 or distribution I'm not sure. I think Joey Badass says he is independent, but he has a distribution deal with a New York label (not sure which one)

[@papichefitup]

@@josephjohnphillips2535 there independent but they have alot of resources to put behind her

[@josephjohnphillips2535]

@@papichefitup and it shows in her early work. The point I was trying to make was that if you sign to a label based off one hit you are under their creative control, and probably not actually getting that good a financial deal. If you wait till you have a fandom, a proving following that will buy your material and merch, then you can leverage a better deal. I heard sza and 21 got a 60/40 split with their labels. That's all I was saying

[@ConnorWaldo]

Russ did the same thing and says that's what you should do too.

[@scottsnares2789]

I love the Black Keys!!! Listening to Joe Rogan, a Fear Factor Host, attempting to subliminally persuade great artists to affect the change they seek and want in an industry corrupt by the rich and elite, instead of griping about it and waiting on a solution from someone else, is extremely satisfying. Kudos, dudes!!!

[@RareStuffArchive]

Joe "You should start a podcast" Rogan

[@iBullyDemons]

Joe Rogans idea of Pat and Dan having a podcast is genius. They need to get on that

[@jordansaintemarie]

I’m so sick of joe speaking with authority on topics he doesn’t grasp

[@lto7668]

@IAMTHE WALRUS seriously

[@rdklarnet4120]

“The problem is no one is investing in real bands” He’s right, and not even scratching the surface of the issue. Music is no longer valued economically...it’s like air, and water, and dirt...essential for life, but not worth investing in. Shoot, a sideman in the 70’s was stoked to get paid $75 for a gig, And today 40 years later it’s the same deal.... I’ve been performing since 1995, and recently got paid $26 for three hours of badass music. I’ll play for free because I love it, but I gotta eat too. Society is spoiled, and ungrateful. The genuine individual who cares, and wants to participate, is powerless, and ignored by mass media

[@fivebyfivesound]

TheRoyalSun Music I hear you on the regression of actual pay for playing! Less pay and fewer opportunities, depending on where you are, etc. But I think the economics have shifted, rather than the commodity of music no longer being viable all together. ...a question of how do we as artists adjust our mindset and strategies of making money from our music. The landscape has changed dramatically, and it’s a very challenging shift, especially for those of us who are pre-“millennials” 🌊

[@attentionlabel]

The myth of Sisyphus at the end... Very apt analogy

[@unabashedindividualist6232]

Joe’s trying to say that folks like Fantano have the power to literally shine a spotlight on an unheard of artist. Pat and Dan could do the same thing. You don’t need millions of dollars worth of promotion and marketing to reach an audience.

[@clubberlang110]

This goes deeper than what they are saying... Gone are the days of tons of different music to choose from. I grew up in the 80's and within each genre of music there were like 5 to 6 sub genres. Rock and Roll alone had regular rock, hard rock, heavy metal, thrash metal, grunge, hair metal and pop to a degree. There was also New Wave, Punk, Techno etc. RnB/Rap was the same way. Kids today would rather listen to mumble rap and Taylor Swift!

[@rpvisual6192]

There are no dead genres in music today and in fact are more sub genres than ever before. If you're listening to the radio, which is just major labels selling whats trendy, then yes music today is pretty terrible. On top of that the radio has been playing the same music for 20/30 years now and is so stale. You need to search on KZbin, Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora etc mostly thru playlists and genre streams to find some very talented and unique artists.In fact music and the state of the music industry as a whole is better than its ever been, you're just using the old platform that lost relevance a while ago.

[@nickramey5733]

Joe! Interview the Maine!! They left warner and made their own label!!!! Super cool dudes and they were like 25 when they did it!

[@shivang15]

We need another album like turn blue. Especially the song weight of love- it is so epic

[@seacave853]

the problem with music business is no one wants to actually help anyone do anything

[@RealHomeRecording]

I do!

[@yankydoodlepaddy613]

99.9% artists have no creative talent & should get a real job or stick to street performing.

[@seacave853]

Yanky Doodle Paddy, you’re obviously not an artist.

[@yankydoodlepaddy613]

@@seacave853 if being an artist means having no talent

[@seacave853]

Yanky Doodle Paddy well that makes no sense. I can see someone thinking this bc they are skimming the outside if something, or they’re jaded bc they suck, but on the inside, there’s a whole lot of talent you’ve never heard bc they have no helping hand, money, social skills, etc... not lack of talent.

[@Tremor1776]

4:20 and the brilliance shines!

[@user-rw8zj1td9v]

Joe is onto something. Genius

[@EdwardOberon]

Yes. Because they sort out everything you don't want to do.

[@naughtydawg2032]

If I got sent a black keys album I'd ignore it too.

[@johnchase4408]

Yep

[@meweaz3]

Psychotic Girl saved my life when it came out

[@cheetahgoldenfire]

Dude I would subscribe anyday to listen to him talk about the record industry and what goes on behind the scenes and to listen to good new bands with good music. I never know when good music comes out.

[@erickauffman6934]

I love how Pat said "Tweet at Mark Zuckerberg." The creator of Facebook....

[@ArnoldLayne92]

Eric Kauffman Im pretty sure that it’s a Kanye reference

[@danielstoddart]

Pat should definitely have a podcast where he just plays music and talks exactly in the style that he's doing here in this episode.

[@dfwherbie8814]

Thé Black Keys does a lot for newer artists. It’s dope. Them and Jack White. Both groups down in Nashville. Joe rogan gave a great idea about the podcast

[@ceplio]

100 years ago ben selvin had like 25 pseudonyms so he could record on 10 different record labels

[@scottmcfadyen293]

The great Robert Fripp of King Crimson wrote in the liner notes of one of the re-releases(i think it was Red) that when you treat music like an assembly line like making biscuits, you no longer care about the art(paraphrased). the industry no longer cares about the artists or the art and it is time to make music about the love of the art and the audience will find it and support it. i was supporting Pledge Music to help artists directly, and it has gone under. we need more of this kind of grassroots support for the love of the art. music is a window of the soul that should never be forced closed !

[@travisvanalst4698]

The problem is, is that a major player in the industry needs to do it. There’s so many channels on YT that promote new great music and talk about ups and downs of the industry. But it will never catch on in the system because no one of real importance will do it.

[@hunterprice3133]

That music podcast’s my idea, hands off

[@PatFlanigan]

Fuuuck so much truth in this! Especially around 10:00. As a guy who makes records no one really listens to, this hits home!

[@pastorlandon]

3:32 - wait what ? dan is there too ?

[@JGAbstract]

Every clip I've watched is just the glasses guy talking.

[@kendrickseeber8706]

Juan Gutierrez put some respek on Pat’s name.

[@monsterofrock01]

Beard guy could talk a bit more. Lmao

[@El6Magico6Arlequin6]

@@monsterofrock01 beard guy sings, glasses guy talks. that's in their contract. that's why they're ANGSTY

[@mattmurray517]

Alex Trinidad bears guy is stoned as shit

[@tontaelli]

4:24 is some of the most inspiring shit I've ever seen. This to me shows what kind of a human that Joe Rogan is. I see you man. You care. He sees a way out of the quagmire of bullshit, he sees that Pat is a force of nature. Fucking Beautiful. Wow, this is one of those moments where there's some light coming out of the cess pit of the internet.

[@stevelatour7886]

I was really hoping to learn something in this clip. When billy corgan was on the show, I felt like I learned a lot about the music industry. This guy is just complaining

[@jimmneedle]

yeah, I also feel like Joe didn't retain any of the knowledge Billy shared. He tried to do the why are labels needed with Billy and Billy fully explained what they are needed for.

[@farii202]

Dudes voice belongs on home movies

[@BZ-db1ro]

JRE #1354: The Patrick Carney Chicken Sandwich Experience

[@salicemarie6928]

Best content detailing the reality of the music industry, thanks to BK and Mr. Rogan for this

[@christophervan9634]

Sorry, but making a record and pressing it is NOT 10k, my band did it for well under 3k (that includes studio time in a fairly nice studio). You just have to really plan out where you are spending your money and do everything yourself.

[@VoluptuousVinyl]

Look at Jack White, that guy releases all his own music, produces and releases music for other artists and now has his own vinyl pressing plant where he presses his own records. He is fully self sufficient and he's raking it in, it can be done. Joe should have Jack White on, these guys (or just Pat) seem bent on complaining and not actually doing anything about it. We all know the music industry is a leech, nothing new.

[@assassinave]

Only so many hours in a day between playing shows, producing others records, taking care of your family.

[@bongwelll]

You gotta carve your own path and not expect anything at all to happen.

[@LSWTH]

"One must imagine Sispyphus happy." - AB

[@mojo9291]

Dan is exactly right. Spoken like a true musician.

[@rol_saave]

The major labels are half of the problem the other part are the promoters and venues...

[@matthewl4969]

A Day to Remember went from a bad deal at Victory Records where they won a lawsuit. They released one or two albums on a major label, I believe. And now their independent on their own label and doing just fine.

[@kaneogier7509]

I would listen to that podcast religiously.

[@animalblack8482]

Excellent. Needed to hear this

[@chachifeere]

I remember when MJ made all those comments about soney music

[@russianbear6384]

Switched to being in a wedding and function band. Much happier and earning more money

[@stevenL4U]

Go listen to their song “The Flame” It’s fucking perfection

[@lorimiller9056]

I just listened to Rick Beato's latest about how soon AI is going to write all the songs, no one will play instruments, and voices are all autotuned.

[@unknownsoldier452]

King Gizzard is an example of how to operate outside the mainstream.

[@jacobwolff6350]

Pat is incredibly intelligent, insightful, informative and entertaining. Love the idea of the "Pat and Dan" show.

[@KevinHackett]

Dude, I would listen to the SHIT out of Pat and Dan on the road! This was one of if not my favorite JRE of all time. Loved the insight on the music industry and the shit talking 💘

[@ihatezgoogle6264]

Joe "get paid 100 million dollars from Spotify and still have ads on your podcast" Rogan

[@haywoodjblome4768]

He has a contract with Spotify. Of course there's still ads, Spotify has got to make some money back

[@tonyDa2Lo]

I didnt think i could love the black keys more than I do but got damn! ❤

[@newpolarities]

This is such reliefing information!

[@BassManDan1018]

Pat: after twenty years of generating wealth for a company as well as myself, I really feel like it’s important to have my output valued by those who are also profiting. Furthermore, we need to make art a valued commodity again so artist don’t have to live in poverty in order to create. Joe Rogan: just start a podcast bro

[@dcrea9416]

I couldn't imagine the pressure of doing a huge major label debut or even like a sophmore album after a big record. There is hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line that the artist is on the hook for if it doesn't appeal to the masses. Whether an album is successful or not, a major label has the artist by the balls.

[@scottefarmer1495]

Black Keys Podcast! I'm in ! That was brilliant. Finally SOMEONE TALKING REAL about whats left of the music industry.

[@dannyjr7997]

Y'all are great. 💘

[@yourejovian]

A year into covid, I wonder how this conversation would be different..

[@seanmcbee]

Patrick Carney is very entertaining to listen to. He is real as fuck. A++ Great guests!!! Have them on again down the road!!