Sony XPERIA 1IV vs vivo X80 Pro: Camera Comparison!

TEAM SGG PATREON / somegadgetguy X80 Pro vs XPERIA 1IV camera showdown! Two of the best camera centric phones of the year, and they couldn't be more different if they tried. Sony and vivo deliver excellent results! Let's look at the strengths and weaknesses of each phone, and see which might be the right fit for you!
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[@farishanafiah8461]

Vivo gives you the best functionality in point-and-shoot mode, not forgetting the gimbal stabilization, but the Sony gives you way more freedom when shooting in Manual mode. While I am definitely leaning towards the Sony, I really cannot ignore just how brilliant that Vivo is.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Exactly. One is a proper pure camera, the other is a tech showcase for processing.

[@mehedyhasan2314]

Price also half of 1 IV

[@farishanafiah8461]

@@mehedyhasan2314 Not in my country. The X80 Pro and the Xperia 1 IV are only separated by MYR 1,100, which is roughly about $280.

[@farishanafiah8461]

@@basicallytroll2705 Jokes on you, Sony started selling their phones back in my country in 2020 and it still garner huge demand.

[@chovnyk_pluve]

@@SomeGadgetGuy sometimes this heavy processing really makes me mad. I took a shot with this phone and tried to disable all the options to replicate the look from viewfinder. And just couldn't. Now I think that I could have use ultraHD or raw modes, but It's sad that I can't turn this HDR at least a bit off.

[@machtschnell7452]

Sony is "radically different" in cell phone photography by using glass lenses exclusively.

[@Roomer645]

glass or not, it doesn't show on the Sony .... Results is what counts ! The remaining is for nerds, losers and geeks.

[@avronaut]

As a trained photographer, I prefer the Sony. I also find it much more elegant in design than the Vivo. Nevertheless, I have to say that the Vivo's image processing is ingenious. If you're honest, you have to admit that in many situations it probably takes better pictures than a skilled photographer can with the Sony.

[@farishanafiah8461]

Basically, it's point-and-shoot or going all Manual.

[@dmanjra]

My Sony XZ Premium (which I sold a while ago), still created better photos than any of the current devices I am using. Video too.

[@johnroyvincent]

Yes to this. So different philosophy. Photography is subjective. Point and shoot goes to Vivo (I'm very amazed with vivo's tech right now) Manual mode and skills goes to Sony (having a portable dslr - like quality photos)

[@MovieLoverK]

And you don't need to be skilled one if you're using Vivo... Vivo simplifies everything

[@farishanafiah8461]

@@MovieLoverK If you really don't want to be skilled and let the software do the job, you should be looking at Google Pixel instead.

[@adam.adventurenz]

Found your channel recently but really loving the fresh and honest reviews! Really helpful to make actual decisions about what's right for me while I hunt for my next phone. Peace brother! ✌️

[@GlenroyJames]

Was waiting patiently for you to do this comparison. Thanks!

[@bilalramadan]

I’m always enjoying every single video you share and discussion your experience with us whatever was the subject or the brand so I’m not going to skip this video by any reason since is my 2 favorite smartphones in 2022😘

[@superflo807]

i was at the mall last night, and try the camera of vivo x80 pro..................... its so wicked, im going to buy this monster next week

[@Serpream]

Brilliant video. Been checking every other day to see if these phones got compared by someone competent. Has made me feel even more excited for my Sony Xperia 1 IV to arrive.

[@SonyEnthusiast]

Great comparison 👍. Watched on my Sony Xperia 1 III 😃

[@BrianGlaze]

This is the type of content I love to see! I feel like I'm in a camera theory class lol

[@AverageDadOfficial]

Great content! totally on the same page with your humour and views. I have the Vivo arriving tomorrow

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Congrats on that new phone! The vivo has been rocking my socks!

[@AlexQIT]

Now that's some high quality content. I see Vivo X80 pro as my next phone.

[@jamspassion6412]

Well done and clearly explained.

[@blackdynamite9940]

I love the Vivo X80 Pro those camera results look fantastic and its probably a great performer as a smartphone too. But since I'm a Sony fanboi and i had the original Xperia 1 and now im typing this on my 1iii. i must say i can't wait to get my hands on the 1M5 next year. Most of the time i keep a phone for at least 2 years before upgrading. These are exciting smartphone times indeed! Great review! Its so refreshing you are the go to guy if you really want some in depth, useful and actual real life info about phones! Keep up te good work! Keep em coming we be watching 👀!

[@stanislasflipo7214]

Imagine if the IV had variable zoom 85-135 😶 I would start saving right away

[@bhoomibisineer5792]

@@stanislasflipo7214 we don't know what's coming up yet, especially when they gave a statement that smartphone camera could take over dslr..maybe they are onto another pro model ..?should wait though

[@imelo54john88]

Best information I've got in this video.

[@Dia1Up]

I usually go for phones with cameras that are the least over exposed or over saturated. Most are ok in bright light, but in low light usually over expose like crazy because "brighter is better". Yes, exposure slider yes I get it. But sometimes I just want to open the camera and take a picture. Typically the exposure slider resets every single time, and on some phones is hidden behind menus, or only pops up "contextually"

[@delicrux]

Awesome video any chance we might see something like this with ZTE axon im really impressed by that things photos.. When they do work lol

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I definitely have some things planned for that Axon...

[@aljosacebokli]

ooooh what's happening here! *edit; it really seems to me that Sony is sacrificing larger sensor size for more consistency and responsiveness across all three sensors, and while I'd be hard-pressed to pick Xperia over something like a Vivo or Xiaomi ultra if I wanted photos for professional use, I can see the logic in Sony's approach and can appreciate it. They are the piggy that is building their house with brick. Once they perfect their mechanical lens hardware they just might be the first smartphone manufacturer to offer one single massive sensor for all focal lengths commonly found on phones today.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's a strong strategy for sure.

[@OmarSS87]

No. Sony does not want 1iv to match pro-i quality. Also larger sensor is slower, sony would need more tech to overcome this. That costs money, good money.

[@peterdejong5456]

Maybe not. The 2013 Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom already did that. Then came the phones with lots of dedicated sensors with each a different and fixed focal length. The intermediate focal lenghts are covered by digital zoom, but this gives different perspective and bokeh.The obvious advantage of a large continuous optical zoom is more dynamic shots when filming and perfect framing with full optical quality.

[@farishanafiah8461]

@@OmarSS87 I doubt it since Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 has a more advanced ISP than Snapdragon 888.

[@michaelpenn9621]

@@farishanafiah8461 this the,.

[@DaniilIshchenko76]

Loved the review. Loved the humor, dude!

[@MobileFilmmaking]

That Vivo is quite impressive. I was expecting the Sony to blow it away. I was pleasantly surprised

[@victorrumyantsev3718]

Unfortunately Xperia blows away only with ridiculous price for what it offers and completely empty box. Having Xperia 1 III already I see no single reason for the upgrade.

[@farishanafiah8461]

@@victorrumyantsev3718 Everyone is giving empty box these days, so that's where we are.

[@malaysiadentist4637]

this is an amazing review!

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

😊👍

[@goemboeck]

Good stuff, thank you for the comparison. I'm more of "old-school" myself, I like to create a photo instead of snapping a pic. I personally go with Sony's phones but Vivo seems to have a good thing going on.

[@thatdude7170]

What I like about the Vivo philosophy is that it's flexible enough to let you pick your approach. If you wanna do simple hdr point and shoot, you can do it. If you want to get the absolute best the hardware is capable of, it has super raw. If you want fun but more casual stuff like portrait mode, etc., it's one of the best at that game. As much as I appreciate Sony's strengths such as its beastly burst speed and 4k 120fps, I can't help but notice that with three different camera apps, it's still essentially forcing you into the workflow it prefers you to use, rather than just give you different options in the same manner as Vivo, and the fact that Sony's camera 2 api support for third party apps has historically not been the greatest doesn't exactly help this. With better Camera 2 Api support, you can opt for stuff like GCam, Mcpro24fps, Filmic Pro, Open Camera, etc., and get great flexibility, which is honestly something that isn't brought up nearly as much as it should be.

[@marcoe1400]

Now that you mention camera2api ... Was that mentioned in the video? Are you absolutely sure that the Vivo does have full support? I remember reading that the Vivo cup pro e.g. had problems with the gimbal stabilization and apps like filmicpro.

[@lovemademan]

If Sony will add computational surely will win in every aspect and its price tag really does the job. So Sony, hear this amazing guy, computational is a must!

[@lovemademan]

@@basicallytroll2705 the problem is solved. Troll somewhere else!

[@gustavogiacominpinho3987]

Great video, thanks! Though it would also be nice to see a comparison with the Sony Pro-I, as that one (albeit considerably pricier) is indeed "THE camera phone" Sony made this year.

[@dujankees]

Thank you for this review Juan! Hope you could also compare Axon 40 Ultra's camera with either a Pixel 6 Pro, Iphone 13 Pro or any of these top camera phones. I just love Axon's 35mm main camera - I think this is the best focal length for a primary camera

[@victorrumyantsev3718]

Axon 40 Ultra Vs Vivo X80 Pro camera battle would be nice to see. Sony's two year old sensors are inadequate and boring.

[@machtschnell7452]

@@victorrumyantsev3718 Says who? They are not decaying you realize?

[@farishanafiah8461]

@@victorrumyantsev3718 Apple use the same sensor for three years, and yet no one complained. 🤷

[@isaquesperandio162]

A fun and detailed comparison of the cameras... it's like learning while playing watching you talk about these smartphones... I really enjoy your work my friend... congratulations! Seeing your presentation of the Vivo X80, it reminded me of another comparison of it against the S22 Ultra, which took a beating... and although I didn't really like the changes from the X70 to the X80, it doesn't even compare to what Samsung did covering the S21 Ultra and bringing a device from the Note series named "S", with several downgrades... I'll explain better the reason for my indignation... This year I was very angry with the result of the flagships launched so far in terms of camera, especially with Samsung, because I have a S21 Ultra, I think it was the best in terms of photography last year, and after seeing dozens of comparisons this year, I decided to stick to comparing it with the S22 Ultra itself, and such was my disappointment to be able to prove the DOWNGRADE (the CAPADA) that Samsung made in the S22 camera in several aspects, mainly in terms of details of the photos and blurs sides, and because of that I took advantage of my channel to leave a comparison showing the INFERIORITY of the Ultra, S22 in relation to the S21, with overwhelming EVIDENCE... there and opining if you agree with what I show there in the photos or if you have a different opinion. The cover was general from the manufacturers in their flags, and with that Samsung also kept quiet waiting for the S23 Ultra. Finally, I don't know if it would be within your reach to make a comparison of the S22 Ultra with the S21 Ultra in terms of photography mainly... I believe it would be very successful if you with both devices could prove the things I showed there on my channel. A big hug and congratulations again!

[@RedstoneinventeArmoredGuy]

Vivo + Sony = God of Camera Phones

[@OmarSS87]

Juan, pericope has crop like mark 2. It has 40mp 1/1.74" used in the past by huawei

[@comeandlaughcomedy]

Mr Juan please, where does LG V50 falls in between the manual modes of these two phones? Please, help us out with a video. God bless you for all the effort put into this great work.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

In terms of the app and the controls, the V50 is still top tier. It's also maybe still my favorite for audio, both for the mics on board, but also for how audio is controlled in the app. Where the v50 is obviously falling behind is on sensor size. It's still a VERY capable performer today. Even for shooting 4K60.

[@comeandlaughcomedy]

@@SomeGadgetGuy Thank you so much. Your reply means a lot. I love your reviews more than any one else because of its unbiased nature. Well, V50 still rocks in 2022. I think the output for video quality, especially daylight shooting, wouldn't be dramatically different. Thanks again.

[@1mlb704]

Man I love these camera comparison and deep dive videos! I'm all about the Sony approach, I prefer the more "authentic" experience and output. I recently vacationed in the Ouray, Colorado area and took a ton of photos in the mountains with my Xperia 1 III. I had fun playing around with the manual controls and got some really incredible shots. I almost brought my Canon with me for the trip but honestly didn't miss it, this thing was that good for landscape photography.

[@ArminHirmer]

Its tricky. But I usually go out with a camera, be it Sony RX1 or Leica Q2, my phone should do what the cameras cant do. In this case what the Vivo can offer. Interesting stuff for sure

[@dmanjra]

Thanks for the review. I was considering a Vivo, but had heard that their software updates were not as regular as some other brands (security/bug fixes etc). Can you shine some light on whether this is true or not?

[@jamesfauzan4246]

I'm not sure about other models, but my 2020 $350-400 Vivo V20 has been consistently getting updates the past 2 years. Although I still think Samsung is the way to go if you want the most updates

[@solaceinshelling6552]

Juan, I need that t-shirt! 😀

[@killuazenitsu]

Totally agree that it's silly to use numbers to rate which phone has better or the best camera system. It's only possible to rate individual aspects (e.g. at 5x mag, which image is sharper). and not the whole camera system. Most of the flagship phones have great cam systems nowadays.

[@1sonjohn44]

Juan, do you have heating issues when shooting video and photos? Some reviewers are stating this is a issue

[@syamq84]

5:29 I love this photo of Juan so much.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Those were fun to shoot. Phone on a tripod and me yelling "cheese" to catch the voice shutter 😊

[@seahweche7639]

thumb up to your video...good one!👍👍

[@joisaacs3351]

I'm definitely in the right place. Love it!

[@chrisogrady28]

Do you know if that optical zoom can be actuated while cropped? As in, do you get separate controls for digital and optical zooming? It would be extremely useful to be cropped into a 1080p crop of the sensor, and then be able to smoothly zoom between the focal lengths of the tele.

[@hollowman7381]

I am really bad at photography BUT I learn alot from your content.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

LOL If you care about improving, then you don't suck. People who are REALLY bad at photography don't care about growing.

[@Granturion]

As soon as the vivo drops here i am ordering it. love all the options

[@mackyroni]

How are the heating issues with the xperia for you? I'm really leaning to the xperia for a replacement for the lgv35. The vivo looks good though...and now there's the xioami 12s ultra.

[@ingridkollmer6102]

Loved this review. It is just amazing what photo and video capabilities phones have these days.TheX80pro is a tool...a very capable tool...and it´s your turn as a photographer to use it to it's limits.And it is a real joy to use when you mastered some basic rules and got accustomed to its menus. And if you don't want to learn them: its pretty intuitive without having a manual.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Totally agree. THe app is intimidating, but even if someone only ever pushes the shutter button, it's still a VERY capable camera.

[@ingridkollmer6102]

@@SomeGadgetGuy Did my first video today...and I guess this was beginners luck.I did not quite see what I was doing(as it was against the sun and the screen in full sun is kinda not very visible)got to the slomo menu...pushed record and maybe you want to watch on my channel what I got! I would be pleased if you visit.

[@Kayzef2003]

Holy smokes those are the best night modes I've ever seen.

[@Sagea]

Trying to decide between these two, moving from an s21+ thats pretty beat up from ranch life and hiking etc. I live in a dark skies community so the x80's night mode seems super great..... I'm so conflicted tho the Sony seems great with the true optical zoom, and alpha like camera menu

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

The vivo will probably be a little more familiar compared to your samsung. Sony is WAY more camera-like. It's a MAJOR bummer that Samsung doesn't make the Active any more. That would have been better for ranch life.

[@sonar545]

what do u think about using 3rd party camera app on Sony xperia? for night mode for example: do u think we can get as bright photos as the vivo??

[@GreasyFox]

Yo dude, did you experience any overheating with the Xperia 1 IV when shooting high res photos or videos, namely 4k 120fps content? Apparently other users have reported it occurred quite frequently when they are performing heavy workloads.

[@Manatee360Phototography]

First time watching and I noticed you live in a neighborhood that I used to deliver papers to. Also love the shot of the stream next to marmalade cafe. T.O.

[@benleonheart]

great video, Juan! Also >popular >Pixel Never thought i'd see those two words in the same sentence 😁 That said, Pixel best for me

[@hassanawodi5888]

I'm really tempted to get the Vivo

[@chrislopez1918]

🤣 that 7 min mark about night mode was hilarious 😂

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Couldn't keep that bottled up...

[@pingu8978]

And I keep on telling people, these type of smartphones are closing in the gap between DSLRs cameras

[@johnspathopoulos1432]

You said it all! I couldn't agree more with your review. The thing is that if I want to shoot like I would do with a dedicated camera I would take the camera and the tripod with me and not a smartphone. So I am closer to Vivo's approach. Actually I use a Nikon Coolpix P1000 for longer focal lengths and I "steal" my wife's X80 Pro for brighter and wider images to my photographic adventures into my pocket! It's a great combo for me personally. I like the continous optical zoom of the 1 IV but there are limitations that comes out from the compact size of a smartphone. If Sony decides,one day , to put a 1" sensor to its flagship phone with their professional mentality they will create the king of the flagships forever. And no. It does not already exists. The X-Pro I does not take advantage of the whole surface of its sensor. Last but not least the stability of the X80 Pro is amazing! You don't need a tripod,even at night,even at long exposures!

[@joaofigueiredo3597]

Did you had any overheat issues on the xperia?

[@hernindio99]

6:39 😂😂😂😂 this is gold slap

[@japkoslav]

TBH, I would pick Vivo over Sony every time. Simply because Vivo is more flexible and more usable when you do not have a time to prepare the scene. For me, shooting "professional" photo on a phone sounds like heresy :) but shooting a photo of my kids on a trampoline? I would pick Vivo for sure.

[@thesuppcollector]

Hey Juan, knowing that you (like myself) are an LG fan, what do you think would be a good successor to the V60? The two phones in this video have my interest but I haven't used anything other than a V series since 2017.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

There isn't one. If you really used all the parts of a v60, any other phone will be a downgrade in some way.

[@thesuppcollector]

@@SomeGadgetGuy the harsh truth honestly. Even as someone who doesn't use the dual screen case all that often, I still can't find a phone with features that stack up

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I tried to warn folks. 😥

[@thesuppcollector]

@@SomeGadgetGuy I tried to do my part as well, taking amazing pictures and video and advertising the phone I was using, from the V20 through the V60. Looks like I'll just get the battery replaced in my V60 and keep on rocking it.

[@theSFCchannel]

This is a great overview of the philosophies of both phones. Thank you for being so fair and honest.

[@ARMIN8555]

Computational photography is killing "photography" I didn't know that VIVO also got into "computational raw", all those things are garbage (EXPERT RAW, PRO RAW, RAW +) the photos look like paint and with artificial textures, I'm not against artificial intelligence for automatic photos, but that artificial intelligence is already inserted in the DNG files is anything, that is not RAW under any point of view, I do not understand the stupidity of rescaling a dng file to 12 mpx (all they do) computational photography is killing true photography and the only thing they achieve with so much AI is to move away from natural photographs making it more and more artificial, excessive sharpness and noise reduction

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Or don't use it? I don't have a lot of patience for folks who gatekeep. It's not functionally much different than bracketing a series of exposures, and when cameras perform a sustained longer exposure than necessary to reduce noise. My 7D did that 12 years ago. Phones today just do it better.

[@ARMIN8555]

@@SomeGadgetGuy I don't use it because it seems really crap to me, Galaxy S22 ultra, I prefer to use the raw stock a thousand times, at least it doesn't look as artificial as the expert raw files, I wish the current devices would leave an uncompressed DNG output for the user decide in post processing, what to remove and what not to remove, these files are already sharpened and with noise reduction and with a compressed output in 12mp (pixel binning) of RAW they only have the extension, I would like to test some DNG of the VIVO of the review Do you think you can share any? I also tried Apple's PRORAW and it's even worse than Samsung's expert raw, when you finish developing a dng the result is a super artificial photograph and that's something that bothers me a lot, shooting raw is supposed to avoid all the post automatic processing and to be able to have a more natural photograph.

[@Dia1Up]

Uh, yeah the 1" sensor might be huge, but think of the Xperia Pro, 1" sensor but can't use the whole thing

[@sosiehtesaus2652]

that's true, but the individual pixels are the same size as in the RX100. I love the Pro i and don't know anything comparable.Of course, this is not a Nightmode software device. it's a camera

[@mohsinkhan845]

Can you also add nokia 9 to this comparison? All of then have good raw outputs, it will be interesting to see if these new phones can beat nokia.

[@fritzkabeano1969]

Does vivo make security cameras?? I see a HUGE market for them........

[@johncaban4310]

You the man. Tell it like it is and not paid off like other KZbinrs.

[@naveenbalineni235]

Lol @ the humour around 7.00 min mark 😂😂😂

[@Marlon_J]

Shots at night should be bright, right? Shut up!! 😂😂😂

[@Athrunwong]

Depends on what you need, for me I would pick the Vivo. Take it out from the pocket, snap and go.

[@curiocritters]

Loved the commentary, Juan! Guess the X80 Pro's on my list, after all. Excelsior!

[@debojyoticable]

First one I guess..glad to be connected

[@ahmedbebars6844]

I wish we could collapse the right panel on the 1IV after we're done with the settings so we could have a bigger viewfinder. I don't want a bunch of settings there when I'm taking a shot. That would come in handy especially when tracking fast moving subjects across the frame. Sony, if you're listening...

[@damokerbs5856]

I think the reason for that is the Sony tries close to give you that camera look and feel.

[@fcbcule12]

will there be proper 5g support for the sony in the u. s

[@davidvillatoro3688]

Its crazy, im so used to the Sony photo Pro mode adjusting shutter, iso, etc i cringe when i have to use a REGULAR Camera app on my sony or any other phone, it just doesnt feel like im using a camera

[@faizan.gamerz.prince79]

Great comparison jaun Vivo rocks

[@shrimperlincs3395]

Vivo - Give us a Micro SD or 1TB of storage. 512gb will be filled in a year with 4k 60fps video.

[@hassanawodi5888]

Between the two, which will you recommend? It's too close!

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Oh man. I really want both LOL...

[@bobcoco6047]

Best reviews/comparisons on the subject, as Always ! If I didn't get the V60 for a bargain, & if the $$ of the Xperia were + on my budget relatively, it'd be my next pick! 🤩 Vivo has been doing some amazing stuff with their recent models, & push forward what smartphones can technically achieve, in both the normy auto field (which I'm not despising at all in itself of course, I'm part of it in many occasions actually) & the the + specific / pro / performance field, where Sony is known to focus on the pro side + exclusively. It's unsurprisingly depressing how the "aVeRaGe ConSuMerzz" advocates have driving the community & market for years, by systematically despising + subtile quality, for the superficial in-your-face tricks & gimmicks, in a sort of holistic fast-food fashion. That's basically the world we seem to live in, to many extent...

[@richswazebarraquias3664]

The best about vivo is when i go to party. I can take shot of my friend without flash and very accurate photos i swear

[@rusikbarramok7461]

Nice comments

[@sidersproductions941]

Disappointed me in the first 20 seconds because you didn't shoot side by side comparing and in conclusion convincing me to buy either an Ultra or Pro Max. I want to know which one is gooder!!😂😂🤣

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

"PLOT TWIST! I made this video just to point out how even though they never win in blind camera comparisons, only Samsung and Apple can ever be WORTH ITS for the monies!"

[@avronaut]

I don't want this side by side comparison. I already ordered the Sony 😉

[@encourageyou8124]

So which phone are you currently using as your daily driver? Vivo or something else?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I'm ALL OVER the place right now. Been bouncing between the vivo, the axon, the TCL Stylus, and the Honor. 😬

[@thepuremotivemovement]

Finally someone who stood up to users complaining about the Night Mode!

[@namelesssnitchy]

one of the highest ceo's of sony said computational power is the future for photography. this promises a lot good in the future of sony

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's where the money is. Canon thinks the ENTIRE camera market could crash to 5 million new camera body sales per year across ALL brands. Sony's CEO was spot on that innovation and investment needs to happen on phones first.

[@yum3bro]

realme gt neo 3 review pls!!

[@IronKore]

How about the Axon x40?

[@kingchefren7238]

Sir you forgot to use shutter speed in Sony. Go to camera manual mode and set the shutter speed up to 30" and you'll get daylight pictures even at midnight trust me

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Not hand held you wont. And if you set the vivo to a 30 second shutter, it has roughly a stop and a half advantage comparing sensor size and aperture. A 15 second vivo exposure would look pretty close to the sony's 30 second.

[@GroundedTech]

I just want both of these phones tbh 😂

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I know that feel.

[@nikytamayo]

Hey, I would like SOME control over the default settings on my night mode, but yeah, press too select focus, slide for exposure, shoot... it's not that hard. Still gobsmacked by Sony giving us 4k120 on ALL sensors, but the small main really does hurt in low light compared to the big boys. Wonder if it's the most likely choice for shooting actual cinematics in Android right now. Vivo looks great! But with computational photography, looks like it's improvement by degrees at this point. Just have to wait for the hardware to catch up all the way to mirrorless cameras. But at this point, shouldn't they be looking to put these great new sensors in a new generation of point and sloots? Maybe along with the chips and software? Imagine a $400 point and shoot with 1/1.3" smartphone megapickles instead of the same old 1/2.3" sensor and computational stacking paired with decent optics and the ability to download aftermarket shooting apps via wifi? I'd buy one. ----- Better watch how much shade you're throwing there, you might cause a new Ice Age! Lol. Loving the snark and enthusiasm!

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I'm here to cool it off a little 😅

[@machtschnell7452]

Uh, cellphone cameras have always been mirrorless.

[@nikytamayo]

@@machtschnell7452 while true, "mirrorless" isn't a term we use for cameras that don't have a physical shutter. Otherwise we'd be calling all camcorders and cheap point and shoot cameras mirrorless as well.

[@nidaimedono77]

The "shut up" ended me.... 🤣🤣

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I wrote a script about this dumb idea on night modes, and I had to cancel that video because it just kept getting meaner and meaner. A TINY slice of a taste of that video ended up here.

[@LoveKA4]

I need to shoot in low light only when I leave some party at night with friends and we want to capture the end of our trip. But night mode can't do good enough picture in this way. If I have something looking good in the night, I will not use night mode, because I don't need it to be bright. So why do I have to have it in my phone? Believe me, I am owner of Huawei Mate 20 pro, and I want to get back to my lovely Sony, and I will do it soon.

[@virgilthemob1242]

The Vivo is definitely hella impressive. An actual masterclass in computational photography with some very respectable hardware to match. But I feel like Sony built a more versatile and solid pack with enormous potential if the software keeps getting updated. As an afterthought it might not quite reach the same heights as the Vivo in terms of processing, but it can come damn close while still retaining its strengths.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's exactly the fight I'm here for. The best camera like versus the smartest phone photog. It's GOOD times.

[@loonation2185]

Hoping for vivo to revive their xplay series

[@kenmastersmaster]

Crazy good camera on that vivo can't wait to see it head 2 head against the Xiaomi 12 ultra... I'm still on the v60 and blown away by 1/1.7" sensors. These 1 inch sensors look like game changers

[@xemphim6412]

Sony 10iv have the night mode wonder if they will update add it to Xperia 1iv. It's missing so much

[@johncaban4310]

I was told that you can't use Vivo X80 Pro on AT&T and cricket because they will whitelist it. So what network are you using it on? T-Mobile?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

T-Mo. I gave up on ATT a while ago.

[@johncaban4310]

@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks for the reply back. I appreciate it. Does it work well with T-Mobile? Was thinking of switching from cricket wireless to that just for this phone because it looks so cool. Been using Pixel phones since the Nexus 6P and I think it's time for a change

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

The bummer is 5G. In the USA 5G is being used as a carrier lock in method. No consistency, and no one phone currently can support all the bands. The LTE coverage in my neighborhood was good enough that I could use it, but you'll want to look up your area and see if an import will cover your needs.

[@johncaban4310]

@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks

[@lovemademan]

If Sony will add computational surely will win in every aspect and its price tag really does the job. So Sony, hear this amazing guy, computational is a must!

[@ceecee130x]

Xperia - work, tool. X80 - fun, tech. Both are great design outcomes for different use cases. Both design/engineering teams are at the top of their game. They are just playing different sports for different audiences.

[@MacBjorn]

Wondering how many dozens of phones have sold

[@nightjackson92]

As an Owner of Sony phone, i have to honest even i'm impressed by Vivo photo, if i would like to get a new phone, i would still go with Sony. Once you have used to Sony photography Pro camera interface, you can't turned back, although X80 Pro do produce such Pro level image, the UI of using it still suck and doesn't give you a Pro feeling despite the image quality it can produce, and to be honest, i really hate it, especially when you're try to play around the setting for night/astrophotogarpy, it's just a mess.

[@_observado]

I love vivo night mode I wish Samsung and Apple catch up with them, as of now I can't get nowhere near a phone from them here

[@argacc20417]

Those vivo bokeh is so good

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's real pretty.

[@davidburns8113]

Starting fights I see! But can I out parody the comments?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Considering the handful of "purists" in these comments, probably not? 😅