Jubilee Invites The WORST FEMINISTS POSSIBLE To Form Infuriating Panel

This latest Jubilee panel video is testing my patience...
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0:00 Teaser / Intro
0:40 Video begins
6:06 PETRI DISH CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE
13:59 Complete and utter brainrot
18:34 The Kim Kardashian question
28:18 Why arguing with conservatives is so painful
34:39 "I'm a feminist. EXCEPT FOR HER."
42:39 Post-Jubilee Video Thoughts / Blaire White
#feminism #jubilee

[@dontpickonme]

"Do you support a woman's right to choose?" "No, I think we need to celebrate a woman's ability to make her own choices."

[@améliehester6996]

Actual negative brain cell moment lmao

[@forgottenredemption4970]

You broke my brain trying to understand these mental gymnastics they try to do.

[@supremecalamitas342]

@Rocket oh I get it cause ur profiles a troll face

[@sheba021]

Do all Leftists think the same? Let's ask Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro.

[@doepicshizzle6465]

Glenn Fashwald would define them as socialists.

[@sheba021]

@@doepicshizzle6465 They are all leftists, you see, they just disagree with the mainstream leftist narrative.

[@tos100returns]

Those guys think that Democrats, Leftists, and Liberals are all the same. Like how Socialism and Communism is the same thing to them. Of course, I'm being charitable in suggesting that they think.

[@relaxingsounds1386]

@@doepicshizzle6465 the fact that people like you think Glen Greenwald is a fascist really does convince me that you get your entire worldview from tiktok.

[@ashfox7498]

"So I see all of the wealthy, successful, and older people with life experience think leftists think the same while a black guy who couldn't even afford to go to college, a latino nursing student, a youtuber called Vaush, and a cop disgree that all leftists think the same.. you know that really says something about how smart people think all leftists think the sa- oh no the cop doesn't agree he's just kneeling on the black guy's neck"

[@t0bb00]

Jubilee: We're looking for feminists. These women: Well, as a woman... Jubilee: Say no more.

[@NIN0ID]

underrated comment

[@christianlima1993]

Fact dont they know all feminist have to be of one mind like a religious ideology. 🤡

[@palmtrecoconut6372]

@@christianlima1993 ur mom

[@firstwavenegativity6379]

Now we need a "Do all anti-racist activists think the same?" where half of them are black conservatives and the other half are white progressives, that would be so fucking funny

[@dorarandom7870]

And the majority of the white progressives wouldn't even dare to debate with black people because they don't wanna seem racist. A black conservative would just say the most insane shit and the white progressive, probably liberal, would just change the lane and apologise for disagreeing and being white. I'm over exaggerating but that would be hilarious.

[@TheEpicGene15]

@@dorarandom7870 God jubilee would be done for the next day if that happened but my god that would be so funny Black conservatives: slavery wasnt that bad White liberals: oh my god you are so right african king/queen speak your truth ✊

[@TheHeavyshadow]

Of course, the black conservatives would be somewhat-famous people who already have experience debating or at least listing talking points, while the white progressives are just some random people someone at Jubilee scooped up from the street.

[@dorarandom7870]

@@TheHeavyshadow The camera turns from the white progressive that they probably picked up from the near by Starbucks to the other side and it focuses on fuc*ing Candace Owens. Jubilee would definitely do it tho.

[@prod.royalsg1630]

That’s a horrible hypothetical. Like being white and also anti-racist somehow makes your perspective and position disagreeable enough to be compatible with a group of genuine oxymorons. Fucking dolt.

[@andreisidro6544]

Conservatives be like "feminism is when a woman is able to have two jobs and still make time to cook dinner because her husband is too busy making conspiracy theory videos inside his truck"

[@johannaweichsel3602]

Don't forget doing 99% of the childcare!

[@kayasia8916]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@captaintorch1238]

No one still ever explained to me how jk Rowling is transphobic , what did she say that's so "toxic " for trans people ? Seriously Im curious , is stating biology really too toxic for trans people?? We can't even discuss science now ? Dafuq happened to the left. Jk Rowling didn't say trans people didn't deserve any rights or anything else

[@ferrisbueller9991]

The house husband fantasy! Unlike women, men can't start the relationship advertising this identity. To save that for later.

[@Nina-cd6uw]

This made me snort out my tea lol

[@matthewgagnon9426]

Feminism is when women exist. That's the level of discourse this Jubilee panel was on, just yikes.

[@digitalcyclone7218]

feminism is when trans bad actually

[@CaptainWoggy]

Feminism is when woman have job and says words.

[@SA-mo3hq]

Feminism is when spermed

[@dorarandom7870]

I think that they make that conclusion because if you're a woman in a high position, why would you be against that privilege? If you were against it, you would have to stop being in that position. That's the thought process, but it's not really true. They don't see themselves as a part of the marginalized group anymore, they feel entitled to the rights they were given. I know it's the thought process because I had it for a while. Of course, I have been proven wrong by so called "feminists", who think feminism isn't needed anymore. It has gotten worse since the whole terf thing. When people stop being oppressed and escape the unfortunate position, it's surprising how quickly they can step in the role of an oppressor. It doesn't always happen, but it does.

[@verager2493]

Jubilee continues to be an op

[@SA-mo3hq]

"Amy Cony Barrett is the ultimate feminist" Oh, so this is what it's like to feel your soul die.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

I'm only at 8:40, please tell me that's not a genuine quote from this video.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 I assume you've already heard it sometime in the last seven months, but if you haven't, I have some bad news...

[@ThreeeDboyin3D]

Bringing Pro-life Barbie into a group of feminists is like bringing Richard Spencer into a group of socialists cause he’s a National Socialist

[@dorarandom7870]

I find her name so funny because wasn't it always a thing that Barbies are hurtful to young girls? I feel like even terfs would agree with that. They represent an unrealistic image of what a woman should be and gets sold to kids. It's pretty mainstream feminists idea I think. Even the company acknowledges it. It's just so ironic that a person who calls themselves a Barbie is a feminist.

[@DesolatedChild018]

I would actually like that panel, just to demonstrate by contrast once and for all that n*zis aren’t socialists… But knowing Jubilee they would bring tankie tier people who would not only give a pass to the NatSocs (who would be acting disingenuously and bad faith as always) but even pull the “maybe you guys have a point”. But IDK, maybe the point of this panel was to kill the idea that these conservative women who are appropriating the terminology and lingo of progressive movements are actually feminists. I suppose we will see on effect basis.

[@relaxingsounds1386]

No it's not, but kudos for the 'muh nahzees' approach lol!!

[@marioandloveyaplushmasters3374]

I mean spencer doesn’t mind socialism given how his goal is far right culture war politics rather than capitalism.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

ZING. Nailed it.

[@Fatman221]

I swear when the terf in the yellow hoodie was saying that "Feminists should embrace the freedom of choice" while disagreeing feminists should be pro-choice Vaush froze so hard and was so still I thought his camera crashed or something.

[@flyingdumpling5204]

Freedom of choice is only good when it's a "good" choice, I guess...

[@sataniccabal4276]

Why does your name sound very familiar?

[@Fatman221]

@@sataniccabal4276 Dale Gribble from King of the Hills online/alternate persona he uses so he doesn't end up "In the system".

[@IMelkor42]

It's the same as the intolerance paradox. 'You have to tolerate my intolerance' 'You have to respect my choice to not want people to have a choice'

[@christianlima1993]

You people are little kids if you’re a feminist you have to agree biology men are women and you can only be pro choice. This is why most me aren’t feminist this is mind control.

[@astrocosmicalDude]

Leon was the only reason my mind was kept sane during that jubilee video. A true king, the man is.

[@doperagu8471]

💯

[@jwomackandcheese73]

SAME, MY GOD THIS VIDEO WAS HARD TO WATCH. The men in this video were more feminist than any of the women here... which is never a phrase I thought I'd say...

[@CaptainWoggy]

Basically every time Leon started talking I was yelling "WHAT A KING" at my computer monitor like some kind of loon.

[@christianlima1993]

This is why most men aren’t feminist a video about ‘womens rights’ turned into trans rights. And the two real women are the ones getting hate. This is comedy.

[@doobieddooo]

This channel is anti-feminist. He literally call a woman in the video a b*tch. This channel is pure misogyny.

[@dizehjvegnomis]

"anal sex is the most egalitarian sex" truly a transcendent moment in human history

[@idsavo]

Even as a penis owner, I laughed but didn't agree. It doesn't seem equal for a person with a vagina.

[@kingghoul2324]

Imagine forgetting oral

[@dizehjvegnomis]

@@kingghoul2324 omg🙀

[@dizehjvegnomis]

@Empty Eye i love this mindset. you pervert😁

[@dizehjvegnomis]

@@idsavo but the lulz! ...i know

[@sandshark2]

The pro-life woman was totally brought up the idea “feminism is when women are when they are the exact stereotype of women society dictates, and should be strengthened” and she just has never thought otherwise

[@sandshark2]

Its like a “black activist” saying being BLM is about enforcing police supremacy to help black people learn to not be criminals when they grow up. Its just pure, intentional conservative propaganda

[@sataniccabal4276]

I doubt she put much thought into anything, really.

[@DevinMacGregor]

She may be conflating femininity with feminism. I think that is how some or maybe a lot of Christian Conservative women see it. They will not put on a pant suit but a skirt suit is fine. Maybe that last line is not a great point because I cannot remember if Thatcher ever wore pant suits. I know as first lady, Hillary took flak. But yes, having babies, cooking and cleaning to her are probably her idea of feminism. Bad house cleaning would be anti feminist.

[@WhichDoctor1]

The epitome of gaslighting girlboss

[@lil_weasel219]

thats more or less "cultural feminism" which is a very old branch of "feminism" and pretty much just consists of worshipping gender roles.

[@lovelylesbian5135]

I hate how they identify being a woman as things women suffer from (ex. Being SA, menstrual pain, birth pain, misogyny etc) because to identify as only suffering is weird and really degrades a lot of women to just experiencing pain

[@hoathanatos6179]

Yeah and it's completely arbitrary and lacking in intersectional analysis. Poor black women have very different struggles in life than a middle class white woman; does that mean that the middle class white woman is less of a woman for lacking the struggles of women of colour?

[@laurenwalker1048]

Right!! The experience of “womanhood” is so complex it can’t just be summed up to suffering. There are so many amazing parts of being a woman too!

[@livewellwitheds6885]

yeah this line also often leaves out trans and intersex women [who can't have periods or give birth] as well as trans men [as a trans guy, my period or period pain doesn't make me a "woman"]

[@livewellwitheds6885]

@@laurenwalker1048 this is why I don't get/hate when people say trans women arent/can't be women because they weren't "raised as" a girl/don't have the "lived experience" we do a lived experience as the gender we say we are, its just not the same as cis people!

[@ksdtsubfil6840]

The weird part to me is that they seem to lean to the idea that womanhood (which they equate to being a bio female) is an inescapable prison which is based entirely on having a womb, but when the men point out that to them being women is about having the ability to give birth, they retort that it is reducing women to their ovaries. Hold on, this whole operation was your idea.

[@Shoe0nHead]

“feminism is when women.”

[@TribuneAquila]

Feminism is when not men

[@KairoStark]

SOOOOOI

[@collindelange5344]

Feminism is when birth

[@sleepyhead8681]

Hearing conservitive "feminist" use progressive language was frustrating. This stuff is effective on Some normies. I thought Ron Paul was progressive on drugs and war but didn't know how bad he was on every other issue or left libertarians existed.

[@mattwong5403]

Conservative "feminists" are feminists in the same way that Jimmy Dore is a "progressive" whose top candidates are Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard

[@Kevo6492]

@@Ass_of_Amalek I was interested in Ron Paul until that non answer at the debate concerning if uninsured people should die. Crowd also cheering at the thought the uninsured should die really made me ponder things.

[@KairoStark]

Its not just effective on normies: conservatives have realized that they can idpol bash lefties into submission whenever they need it. They just need a mouthpiece that can be "identified" as an opressed minority and we drop like flies.

[@Flatcetera]

They’re appropriating the aesthetics to seem more palatable, like every successful conservative does. This is the one thing I think we on the left need to get on, specially online, because it’s really fucking sad to see the conservative numbers rising.

[@2chin4u]

I was so confused when I watched the intro lol

[@andrewhedstrom4113]

the pro-life feminist in the blue is driving me crazy. I hate the little grin every time she talks. I feel like she's talking down to everyone

[@johannaweichsel3602]

Smug AF

[@SA-mo3hq]

STEPFORD PROTOCOL ACTIVATED. INITIATING OPERATION BROODMARE.

[@JulienNix]

While also being the stupidest of the bunch

[@prisma6799]

I bet shapiro likes her

[@xanosghoul]

Gotta love the double think of "trans women are just stereotyping women because they wear dresses and makeup!" And then thinking that Kim Kardashian is a girlboss feminist.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Facts

[@Kittsim]

Everyone knows being woman is just when have vagina. Because that’s not boiling down people to their genitalia.

[@Nerobyrne]

"What makes one a woman" is actually a really interesting and nuanced discussion. Especially because trans people often want to transition, not just for other people's perception but for their own as well. This goes into psychology and biology, and is absolutely not a discussion Jubilee is fit to have.

[@relaxingsounds1386]

On the other hand, dudes claiming to be 'transgender' because muh gender is just a social construct, and then presenting as the most stereotypical examples of a female social construct, is kind of funny.

[@relaxingsounds1386]

@@Kittsim a person born with a vagina is a biological female. That's just basic human biology.

[@almosthelpless9374]

The cisgender women are bad feminists. Jubilee knows what they're doing. They pick these people on purpose. Also, Leon is a Chad. He projects confidence and at the same time induces empathy in me when I listen to him. He just wants people to be understanding of each other and their gender identities.

[@xenosbreed]

Oh they knew 100% what they were doing by picking the women to be the conservatives on the panel to make it look like men explaining feminism to women.

[@tigerguy529]

yeah. If they had, like, 1 terf I could be like "ok, they're trying to include the whole spectrum (haha)", but the fact that all 3 women were terfs and the 3 men were real feminists simply CANNOT be a mistake.

[@doperagu8471]

Yeah Leon was the real MVP 🤩

[@tomribei]

I'm not sure it's intentional. Jubilee strikes me basically like a student project with naive and innocent right out of college workers, who value the idea of difference of ideas more than actual understanding them. It's why I think they invite such unqualified people to talk about serious issues such as Palestine, while not inviting serious journalists, professors or media figures with knowledge on the issues. To sum it up, I think they don't know any better and try to get easy contacts with people with a decent following, which was the case with the two "feminist" right wingers. Also, don't forget they produce videos of ranking by attractiveness while doing these things, I think it speaks to what I wrote above.

[@sebastianlavallee706]

They're not bad feminists. They just aren't feminists. But as someone else was pointing out: we're actually in a good spot, when even reactionaries like them think "feminist" is a positive label and something they want to call themselves.

[@nicholasemmendorfer8748]

Why does every conservative argument feel like they’re talking past you to some imaginary argument you didn’t make

[@Ray-xr3gj]

Easier to win, also I believe a lot of disagreements arise from fundamental misconceptions/misunderstandings (often intentional ones) + cultural and social needs rather than an actual clash of morals

[@82892869hi]

It’s the OANN Newsmax Fox conditioning kicking in where they think every political opponent is an evil caricature (they’re evil because they’re evil!), whereas normal people can at least understand the opposition

[@paleemperor5379]

Because that's what they're doing.

[@relaxingsounds1386]

Why do so many of you people pretend that men can be women?

[@82892869hi]

@@relaxingsounds1386 because science agrees with us that transgender people exist? I mean ancient filipino, indian, scandinavian, mediterranean, north american, south american etc. cultures all had transgender people in them and many of them were 100% accepted in their communities. The better question is, why are you so focused on this? Is it because this is the main culture war that the right wing is fighting so they can get poor idiots fighting for policies that will hurt them because the other side are evil and want to trans your gener?

[@ilovebooksandmycats669]

i find it weird they found all conservatives for the women and they found more progressive men

[@jessf7341]

Yeah I feel like maybe they did it to make the progressive ideas look bad. Based on gender, the progressive ideas are stated with less authority (within the context of the video)

[@ilovebooksandmycats669]

@@jessf7341 yeah that’s what i was thinking, it’s definitely weird

[@dinosaysrawr]

This was one case where I was 100% on board with mansplaining. Mansplain 'em harder, daddies!

[@blairemusic-ws7hh]

@@dinosaysrawrthere’s no such thing as “mainsplaining”

[@muffin_____]

We need Leon on here ASAP. Them and the two guys were the only actual feminists on there... these conservative "feminists" literally have 3 brain cells

[@xenosbreed]

Oh yea, I think the guy in the hoodie was a somewhat typical male feminist who agrees with the broad strokes but hasn't looked into it, the other guy seemed to have an actually ideological understanding of feminism and why its good to back up the points but had a hard time articulating them, but then Leon knocked it out of the park cause you know that guy has had to defend himself against TERFS in the past.

[@christianlima1993]

@@xenosbreed I love how feminism has become a religious ideology.

[@BroJo676]

Of course men have a better understanding of what it feels like to be a women than people who actually go through women hood on a daily basis, with the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[@christianlima1993]

@@BroJo676 you’re wrong ‘trans women’ are more women than ‘women’. 😂

[@BroJo676]

@@christianlima1993 Please, tell me you're joking.

[@tequilasunset8628]

Grace’s top has done more to harm women’s rights than all trans women combined. Negative drip.

[@JeepnHeel]

Disagree. Feminism is when no shirt sleeve. Wait -- feminism is when all shirt sleeve?

[@axelignis3488]

No one tell the barbie feminist that when she buys products she doesn't directly pay the people who made these products

[@eoghan.5003]

"feminism is when you're a woman" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

[@embrikchloraker8186]

It was incredibly frustrating to see Amy Coney Barrett being lauded as a feminist. She has done more to harm feminism than the men in this video.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@embrikchloraker8186 There are few women who have done more harm to feminism than Any Corny Parrot.

[@Colourfullauriecake]

"To try to deny basic biological facts, we all learned this in highschool" ...Ma'am, in highschool I learned Pluto was a planet. Scientific knowledge gets updated as more is learned.

[@rainkidwell2467]

Oh, go with dinosaurs and feathers instead.. Pluto is a planet again, as of early 2022. The debate never fucking stops..

[@EmilyDickmesome]

Pluto will always be a planet to me 🥺

[@HiAdrian]

​@@EmilyDickmesome So what you're saying is you're not a Trans-Neptunian Exclusionary Astronomer?

[@SteveEwe]

"We all learned this in highschool" "Your education is not complete. There's more."

[@tiryaclearsong421]

@@EmilyDickmesome It makes the "my very enthusiastic mother just served us nine pizzas" work if Pluto is a planet. But... there are a lot of trans-Neptunian objects in the Kuiper belt that qualify as planets just as much as Pluto.

[@tos100returns]

I was pro-choice until I saw this video. Now I am pro-abortion. Everybody should get one, and everybody should BE one.

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

I like how "feminists" isn't in quotes in the thumbnail and title to signify irony. They really aren't feminists in the slightest lol. So much of what they said is what feminism goes against.

[@Kaanfight]

Yeah there was a great article by Judith Butler about rethinking what it means to be a woman, I’d recommend it

[@acutecloudd7970]

They are feminist. This is what this group represents

[@RajShekhar-jy2zi]

@@hwiatslgeord2887 it's the same issue in feminism everywhere. In india you have feminists who don't acknowledge their caste privilege . And its very very important because backward castes are still so left behind in India.

[@brokenguardianangel8575]

@@hwiatslgeord2887 I just don't identify as a feminist bc the movement is completely shit. A lot of feminist try to bring women up by dragging men down. Just because men were dicks to women doesn't mean we can or should be dicks to them now. I am an egalitarian. Basically the same as a feminist jut doesn't have a gender bias and doesn't get a bad wrap bc idiots identify as the same thing I also domt think feminism is really needed in the western countries. Well, before the abortion ban thing happened. I just dont see that many problems that feminism can help with.

[@schwann145]

Hey, it's our old friend, No True Scotsman

[@SarahRoseCO10]

"I'm going to make myself real big bc I'm not a feminist and I love taking up space in women's spaces" lol I love it

[@dantealighieri8403]

"Amy is a feminist because she shows you don't have to choose between a family and a job" I'm sorry sis, this isn't 12th century Europe! Women have been balancing work life/family life for a long time at this point what a dumb standard. She should just be honest and say 'I think Amy is a feminist cause girl boss gaslight gatekeep yasssss qween"

[@rishabhanand4973]

and also, in america, a lot of women do have to choose. Of course there are some who fall through the cracks and pull off both. But those are the exceptions

[@SA-mo3hq]

Feminisms is when spermed, but also work

[@cristianoreddevil9736]

If they have been "balancing" their life, we wouldnt have 50% divorce rate and below replacement birth rate. It clearly shows that is a major failure and rarely does it work on a grand scale.

[@mizel101]

especially since mrs barbie would have it so they literally can't choose

[@tobiaseliot4716]

Leon is about to snap LMAO. bro is literally cracking his knuckles 💀💀

[@isabellabello]

ong

[@tomererlich9569]

I love that the pro life barbie affirms the gender of the trans man while trying to make a point that trans people arent real

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Yeah, she opens with "all the men are on that side", moves on to "being a woman is chromosomal", then just gets bodied by reality's leftist bias and doesn't even try to address it.

[@tyger5645]

Leon is unimaginably based. Complete Chad in every way.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

He's the only one of the six I'd want to hang out with.

[@levichiika]

although leon definitely held his own weight as far as pushing back against the terfy talking points, i couldn't help but feel terrible for him all the same.

[@Allison_Hart]

"I believe that everyone should be compensated for their labor" - I'd bet my life she thinks $7.50/hr is enough however 😂

[@Nerobyrne]

I'll make it even more so woke: I don't believe people should be compensated for other people's labor 😎

[@normandy2501]

@@Nerobyrne So everyone works for their own business pretty much? Would that mean everyone would have to either learn their own skills as they need them, or hire individuals off Fiver as they need them? It just sounds like that would eliminate the idea of a traditional W-2 job and make every job a gig job between individual people that need particular things.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@normandy2501 no, I mean nobody should get to own the labor of other people. 500 people all working at a business together doesn't mean one person owns someone else's work.

[@l.3ok]

@@Nerobyrne like... social ownership of the means of production? based 😎

[@relaxingsounds1386]

Never mind that 'progressives' believe that $15/hr is a living wage.

[@LovedandTheLover]

So we learned today that men are better at being feminist than women. Let's take that W boys, it's a wrap lol

[@strongbone9471]

20:41 "Being a woman is more than just wearing a dress. Being a woman is about 2 letters"

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Wonder how they account for intersex people and chromosomal disorders.

[@rosestrohm7986]

Its fitting that his name is Leon cause this dude is a fuckin CHAMPION

[@Kittsim]

Is… that a pokemon reference?

[@rosestrohm7986]

@@Kittsim yes lol

[@Kittsim]

@@rosestrohm7986 based

[@flexibleskedule]

The irony of using progressive language to legitimize outdated traditionalism hurts my stomach.

[@JeremiahShaferSimulacra]

Also, Leon looked like he was ready to punch someone.

[@MatthewFutrell]

Also just imagining Vaush on any Jubilee panel is both hilarious and something I feel that would never happen.

[@davidbrobinson1995]

He was supposed to be on one, but they scrapped it due to others being unvaxxed. They were gonna debate about Qanon I think.

[@MatthewFutrell]

Damn, that would have been fun to watch

[@davidbrobinson1995]

I wonder what his approach would've been. Would it be like his Charlie Kirk Debate where he's just having fun and not buying the bait, ending on good enough terms OR like any Conservative debate where gets a few more dunks in with his assertive personality?

[@MatthewFutrell]

@@davidbrobinson1995 That one debate he had on that TV show looking format with the black guy who was weird an unhinged was great too, the one where he kept looking at the Camera and faux flirting with the guy because he was homophobic and trans-phobic to cringe levels. Even calling vaush evil. Those idiots aren't prepared for Vaush on their best day.

[@mkra7769]

"People who disagree with all modern-day feminist points should still be able to call themselves feminists, otherwise feminism is exclusionary" Said the woman who thinks feminism shouldn't accept or fight for trans rights

[@laurenwalker1048]

What does she think feminism is? Does she think it’s like a club that anyone can join no matter what their beliefs are? Because it’s not. I hate to be a gatekeeper, but if your idea of feminism is “I’m a woman so I’m allowed to call myself a feminist, even though I don’t agree with anything in the ideology” you’re just not a feminist.

[@mkra7769]

​@@laurenwalker1048 She probably thinks that liking conservative women in positions of power is enough for her to call herself a feminist =P

[@laurenwalker1048]

@@mkra7769 lol like any coney Barrett. The queen of all things feminism 😂😂 where to they find these people?

[@MinecraftKid120]

They shouldn’t . Thats not their fight.

[@laurenwalker1048]

@@MinecraftKid120 what do you mean? Of course it’s their fight. As feminists it’s all of our fight.

[@conure]

all hail King Leon the Destroyer of Transphobes

[@conure]

also stealing my content again i see 🤭

[@DR-nh6oo]

The shame around menstruation, and of course poverty, means we probably don’t hear from most who cannot afford sanitary products.

[@relaxingsounds1386]

What shame around menstruation? lol!! We're not living in the middle ages.

[@Nyanx4]

@@relaxingsounds1386 Sounds like you live in a good area where you don't have to deal with it. I can assure you that in many places, that shit is still alive and kicking.

[@DR-nh6oo]

Relaxing Sounds You might not be, lol, so have a good laugh while you can. Plenty of women suffer from being shamed by medieval attitudes, even in the west, but of course often when religion is involved. Enjoy your privileges, and do not take them for granted, society does not always progress, often it is forced to regress, knowledge can be lost and superstitions rule, it is pretty obvious this is happening now, in part at least from those projecting their disgust all over social media.

[@jeanstark8425]

@@relaxingsounds1386 Why are you in every comment thread, trolling? You ok? Need a hug?

[@MatthewFutrell]

Girlboss does not a feminist make.

[@coolfool183]

“This is basic, biological science. We learned this in high school” you probably also learned that atoms are a distinct nucleus with electrons orbiting around it or that population growth can be tracked with exponential functions. High school science has a tendency to oversimplify, often to the extent of simply being wrong

[@AzafTazarden]

I love how conservatives go "It's denying biological facts" and then proceed to deny biological facts about epidemiology. That and the fact that they assume their high school level understanding of biology is more valid than modern scientific consensus.

[@Lauren-zg9zo]

Shark3ozero did a great react to this too. He went nuts at the Amy Coney Barrett part. NUTS

[@Gloomdrake]

As he should

[@sleepyhead8681]

The consevitives calling her pawg, mommy and A milf like they were qualifications was something... If you didn't see it I'm jealous.

[@Lauren-zg9zo]

@@Gloomdrake yup. I was surprised Vaush didn’t freak out more

[@ryankramer8779]

Oh my god, I have to watch it now 😂

[@Kevo6492]

Some people like Xan are saying we’re living in 2015 again, and while I can see that somewhat, I think this video just proves the opposite. Just because there’s similarities between now and 2015, that doesn’t mean the current dynamic is parallel. In 2015 no conservative or alt right woman would call themselves a feminist. Now, I think even Lauren Southern would call herself one, or at least argue what conservative women advocate for is a true sort of feminism. That’s a different dynamic and thus needs to be addressed with different arguments.

[@zengara11]

Yeah, whoever said the whole 2015 have missed the plot. This whole idea behind "let us go back to traditionalism" happened in the Ottoman empire, roman empire, every single empire that fell. The idea is to claim to go back to when it was good, but instead going forward to a space that never existed. As an example, people will speak about how getting a house was so simple and easy, but they are not going to make it hard to flip houses meanwhile increase taxes for the rich between 70-90%. All they are going to do, is make the poor suffer further and claim that is what they did back then. Or in this instance, traditionalism would mean more middle eastern/India regarding relationships. If you are a man ur fcked, woman ur fcked. If you are super rich, you should be golden though., but after some time, your next generation will be fcked as well.

[@KairoStark]

Politically speaking, we are there. The difference is that now conservatives know that to shut us up they only have to idpol us into submission.

[@davidpaul6290]

Maybe towards them, but not towards Jubilee. The very existence of channels like Jubilee, or Cut, presenting bigots as progressives (or vice versa in Cut’s case), is very reminiscent of old Buzzfeed. Also, you know there have been majority group reactionaries presenting themselves as egalitarians, or as minority groups since forever, right?

[@brightsalot]

Can’t wait to see a conversation with Leon!!!!!!! He was the only one on the panel that was 100% free of brain worms. I can’t get enough of him!

[@wolfythewolf9691]

Bless Leon and no one else here. This whole event was brainrot given form.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@Sugarman96 Yeah, he did pretty good for someone who seems to be arguing off the cuff, for sure. He hit some of the landmines, but overall projected the right message.

[@DerrickDeitz]

Deliberate propaganda is more like it. It's not like jubilee couldn't have found left wing feminists because MOST FEMINISTS ARE LEFT WING ARE HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF TRANS WOMEN

[@dylps7934]

This is how Jubilee harms discourse, by having randos parroting the most surface level, reductive, and inarticulate talking points. Not to mention platforming some pretty terrible people and then putting them on the same level playing field as if they are equal and counteracting forces within discussion. Jubilee needs to step up its game if it truly wants to do good.

[@Skiltra]

i remember that video, i saw comments saying the men were more feminist than the women, there were a lot of woman also saying how these woman are not real feminists on that video

[@Lamsus854]

Leon coming out at a trans man after the girls said “look there’s all men on that side” was such a fucking own

[@angelineameloot1331]

Conservative women v liberal men

[@nervousbreakdown711]

Leon spent the entire video trying not to beat down someone

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Sigma male energy! I wonder if TERFs would classify that as male violence.

[@aqwdemonmaster]

Hey Vaush...THANK YOU for pointing out the dishonesty in the disability argument that pro lifers love to use so much. I'm an activist in the disabled community and that talking point aggravates the hell out of me.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

I'm an autistic, mentally ill antinatalist, too. It sucks when you say you oppose all human reproduction across the board and get accused of ableism.

[@user-eu9bi1ql4z]

Everyone should be paid for their labor but I’m republican. I can’t believe she thinks if period things were free that equals people NOT getting paid for their work??

[@AlienZizi]

that was a reaachh 😩 i dont like just insulting people but she came off as a full on idiot with that one

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Rand Paul: Universal healthcare is slavery! They're so fucking bad faith and disingenuous.

[@sasandbernard7862]

Poor Leon. Not only did his presence raise the average IQ in the room by 50 points, but Jubilee brought him in to be the token trans person to deal with transphobia. Despite talking to brainlets, however, he managed to sound pretty coherent, good on him.

[@Chronix-]

28:15 ahh...the old conservative argument that "freedom to opress others is freedom". She said it in the most idiotic way possible as well! To use a "choice argument" to argue against choice without irony is just amazing in it's lack of self-awareness. I dropped my controller so i could palm my face. 😵😵🤯🤯

[@Allison_Hart]

"People on the left, even if they're absolute fucking brainlets, don't need IKEA-style assembly instructions when they make their grilled cheese sandwiches" Me: so do I take the wrapper off first or

[@douglaslangley9251]

No thats just the rind, its perfectly edible

[@KairoStark]

Would advice to do so, but maybe you like it the other way.

[@user-cw3yc3yk3h]

Now I could be wrong, but I don’t think “going through that awkward phase when you’re 13” is something exclusively cis girls experience

[@normtrooper4392]

My favourite part was when the women were all wrong about the trans issue. That was very funny

[@cayladodd9216]

Does anyone else find it ironic that she pointed at Leon in the other man and said the men go on that side? At the very same time she standing on the side of saying trans women aren’t women she addressed a trans man as a man. It was convenient for her to use him being a man to push her narrative that trans women aren’t women

[@KairoStark]

It's the Schrodinger male. (final evolution of the sigma male, no one @ me). Its male enough to be anti-feminism but not male enough to make trans identity valid. Nah, who am I kidding, I'm trying to find consistency on their soupbrained takes, we all know there's nothing there.

[@tobiaseliot4716]

I'm so tired of the TERF take on trans women. like it's old, it's boring, it's stale. move on.

[@vl8584]

It's pretty logical and rational to be honest.

[@giannipiccioni8411]

@@vl8584 illogical, irrational

[@tobiaseliot4716]

@@vl8584 I can understand why you think that because on the surface it is. however, if you look more closely, it becomes circular logic. like in this video, as the TERFs attempt to define "woman," they get all tangled up. first, they try to say that being a woman is having periods. but there are cisgender women who don't have periods. there are cis women who don't have all kinds of expected biological functions. it's very difficult to create a definition of woman that doesn't exclude some group. even if you go strictly by chromosomes, intersex people exist. human beings are not nearly as binary as TERFs make us out to be. if you go by experiences, again, you get lost. there is no social, emotional, or economic experience that is universal to all women. you could try to define it by systemic oppression, but trans women also experience systemic oppression related to misogyny and the patriarchy. and anyways, do women really want their "womanness" to be defined by pain and struggle? so essentially, TERF logic is a dead end both ideologically and scientifically. hope this helped!

[@brownbear112]

I think those two girls really think they stood their grounds today. This video killed me in more ways than one. Vaush is real one for sitting through this.

[@SA-mo3hq]

We are united in the psychic damage we all took. It was a reverse spirit bomb.

[@HobGungan]

I am shocked - shocked! - to find a distinct lack of feminists on this feminist panel.

[@PuppetsByPalmieri]

Leon killed it. Also anti choice Barbie has robot gestures.

[@SA-mo3hq]

Stepford Wife needs to download some update patches ASAP

[@kamilliasaylor1000]

Lol "I have never heard of women not being able to afford tampons" is a level of either privilege or denialism I find hard to wrap my head around. I was homeless, and at times literally had to collect pennies and nickels to buy a pack of ramen. Sometimes I had to wear tampons way longer than was convenient or comfortable or useful, like it isn't a hard thing to imagine being the case at all. What the fuck.

[@unclefa4416]

There's no such thing as conservative feminism

[@rebootcomputa]

When men believe trans women are women over terf women makes me proud to be alive.

[@angelineameloot1331]

God I’d love to see vaush on jubilee

[@utubepunk]

Wasn't he supposed to be?

[@angelineameloot1331]

@@utubepunk yeah

[@havefaith4382]

@@angelineameloot1331 ig they realized with vaush the panel would have had too much soy

[@SA-mo3hq]

It'd be a "Please stop, he's already dead!" movement

[@PatheticApathetic]

23:10 This is a way better argument than anything any of the guys said. Lol pro-life Barbie’s like “all the men are on that side” and this dude in his head is like “yes I am.”

[@lucidity1]

the first question they ask is "Can men be feminists?" later they ask the one question that is a litmus test to find out who is really a feminist "Are trans women, women?" only the 3 men pass that litmus test so, I guess you have your answer to the first question then... you don't get to pick and choose who are women when you fight for women's rights!

[@chantaltestman6916]

I feel for Leon because the room was full of bystanders and conservatives wearing the name tag of feminist and disagreeing everything that is feminism.

[@shamarfortune8154]

are there any female streamers who reacted to this Jubilee video? I want to get another perspective on the topics discussed in the conversation.

[@everythingsfine1395]

Hasanabi , he’s done it right

[@bestrafung2754]

I love how the men were better feminists than the women lol

[@fen1x_64]

Leon is the biggest chad to have walked the Earth. He walks into a room and Can You Feel My Heart immediately starts playing full blast. God I fucking love this dude. All the "feminist" women made me lose braincells

[@saininj]

We need a Debate Bro Jubilee panel.

[@davidbrobinson1995]

Debate Bro vs Video Essayist panel

[@Dan-el3cv]

I love jubilee but I feel like they give me serious brain damage

[@camilamachado006]

I think it's funny how they put menstruating in their definition of womanhood but at the same time oppose women having free access to it

[@ironickrempt]

Third time seeing a reaction to this Jubilee, still one of the most headache inducing pieces of internet content I have seen in a long time.

[@ryksdavies]

I like how Vaush has been getting more and more pessimistic lately. Maybe he needs a chat with Dr K

[@wigbig6192]

Dr K seems kind of dodgy. Idk about that

[@wigbig6192]

@@mariomario1462 who?

[@wickedarctiinae4132]

@@wigbig6192 dodgy how?

[@KingdomJake]

@@mariomario1462 dr k is a literal scam artist tho

[@peepeepoopoo2535]

Oof

[@Sabrina0s]

I hate the "conversation" when it's actually just people trying to convince others that they deserve human rights.

[@rockassassin64]

Every time they cut to Leon's face when one of the terfs are talking it's amazing. He's doing God's work

[@goblininabubblebath7154]

the guy in the “men can be feminists too” hoodie really came in expecting to side with the ladies, and it just didn’t go at all like he planned 💀💀

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Liberal idpol strikes again. He should probably spend some time in intersectional spaces.

[@aeway_]

Hey Vaush, just know that we don't mind you taking a break if it helps you destress. Sometimes it's all one needs :)

[@tyler11215]

“The man, the myth, the legend, Kyle rittenhouse” I’m crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kreynolds6034]

Leon was the only thing in the entire video holding the threads of my sanity together

[@AzafTazarden]

"Saying a feminist has to be pro-choice is anti-feminist" that's some all lives matter kind of bullshit. Like "Oh, so you think I can't be a feminist while advocating against women's rights? That is so anti-feminist of you."

[@ArielVHarloff]

I feel like there's one singular feminist on this panel who actually thought through their positions and it's Leon (or at least they're the most eloquent about it) Also when the Barbie went on her thing about trans women Leon looked like they were getting ready to smack smb judging by their expression. I bet they didn't come to that panel prepared to be faced with half a room of anti trans cis women... I do appreciate the male presenting people being "better" feminists here

[@oliverg.1537]

Leon carried this entire pannel holy shit. Well 👏 Done 👏

[@tequilasunset8628]

Leon the King of Kings.

[@studi0651]

this is the fucking worst jubilee video and I'm glad I'm able to witness this trainwreck

[@ThatVeganWhiteRose]

I’ve slowly been losing my faith in Jubilee and this was the last straw.

[@aegisScale]

I genuinely want to know what the fuck happened to get this hell panel. That poor trans man did not deserve this.

[@karilynn9711]

"What makes you a man?" You must be swift as a coursing river, With all the force of a great typhoon, With all the strength of a raging fire, And mysterious as the dark side of the moon.

[@Univirsul]

My rebuttal to the "biological facts" crowd would be to ask them what chromosome their identity is on.

[@leahmarie3665]

The timestamps are always great lmfao. “Complete and utter brain rot” it certainly was. This was painful to watch

[@Username-ox7ij]

This has to be on purpose to stir up controversy. I’m going conspiracy theorist mode.

[@AlienZizi]

ive been thinking this for a while. it gets attention, thats what matters to companies.

[@Hekinsieden]

"Real Women have to face their awkward periods when they 13, Men just don't know that 'SPERIENCE!" "Also wut pandemic of woahmen bleeding or something? Never heard of it."

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Sure don't see any TERFs having fundraising drives for period banks!