Liberal Christians vs Conservative Christians | Middle Ground

[@oliviak9978]

I can’t believe Jubilee filmed my family getting together for the holidays

[@beccareid4816]

lmao

[@annabortion7394]

PLEASEEEEE LMAOOO

[@RoseColoredGlasses]

Hahaha yessss

[@breanna1346]

Hahaha

[@thespeedster7700]

😅

[@katiesbothers]

"People in the church hurt you, not God." - Oof that struck a chord.

[@HoodedSpidey]

For arguments sake, humans hurt you outside the church too. As an omnipotent being, is God hurting you by not preventing your harm?

[@masochistic_lele4414]

I just feel the building doesn’t matter. It’s the relationship with god.

[@Hello-qf3fd]

@@HoodedSpidey The simple answer is that God gave us free will. That means we as humans can use that free will to do harm or to do good. We just can't _blame_ God for our actions because we have autonomy.

[@elysian8823]

righty

[@Dina-vy7we]

@@Hello-qf3fd exactly

[@alicethemadrabbit1842]

"Oh, he's gay... What a twist!" "Oh, she's gay... What a twist!" "Oh, he's gay too?? What a twist!"

[@Melissa-gh6wg]

LMFAO FACTS

[@ChonosTack]

The black conservative gay guy is interesting, but also really sad.

[@DeSeannMaye]

ChonosTack yeah it’s another way of how religion kind of blackmails you as in either you live in a box your whole life or you go to hell. That sounds like blackmail to me

[@unda2147]

Spoiler alert?!?!??

[@sharonolatunbosun7098]

@@DeSeannMaye true

[@elijahdaves1305]

"If we take the Bible literally, everyone in this room is sinning." Um...yes. That's literally the whole point.

[@caliblur1038]

😂😂 fax

[@cagedguitarist1208]

Preach!

[@crespeakslife]

The whole point!!!

[@telisharansome2920]

exactly what I said lol

[@QuackersMcCrackers]

Yeah, I'm as athiest as they come but even *I* knew that.

[@buttercruffie]

im not religious but im kinda lowkey impressed at how they can memorize and just reference random verses

[@Godzilladad]

You would too, if you read the Bible every day

[@hannah.liu.04]

@Kaleela Edwards john 3:16 be like

[@yes2542]

It’s a lot easier than it seems. Especially when the same verses are preached week after week

[@berkozkan3922]

Just looks like someone wasting precious time bruh

[@mooominpapa]

@@Godzilladad I've read my own holy book several times from a young age, I cannot recite verses 😭 Btw I've never stopped reading it, I read like three or so pages every day of the working week (so not weekends) I've been doing this since I was 12

[@rashidalhassoun8368]

this is probably the only channel on youtube where sensitive topics like this can be discussed without world war three happening

[@ihavenousername6340]

The comments may have to disagree with that World war three part

[@lovernotafighter6942]

true but then the comment section can get messy.

[@fos1451]

You forgot to read the comment buddy?

[@kelz4965]

Except the vegan and flat earthers Then yes

[@myaschultheis3004]

agreed 😂

[@rodelremolana1155]

I can imagine them taking a shower, regretting about the arguments they could have said

[@nataly4426]

THISSS!

[@erenjaeger1738]

@@nataly4426 ur pfp say it all. "PERIOD"

[@manualLaborer]

or maybe they brought a mic to drop, but didn't say anything cool enough

[@HiHello-cw9vc]

IKRR

[@nataly4426]

@@erenjaeger1738 PURRR LMFAOAO

[@soy.ingrid]

“That’s a lot of self-control” the fruit of the Spirit is self-control 😂

[@taonanosihlez5268]

thats what i thought as well😂, like we are meant to bear the fruits of the Spirit

[@kadianedobor1715]

Nothing wrong with complimenting that in a brethren.

[@Drowning_Girl]

Excellent observation.

[@len-1768]

​@@taonanosihlez5268*fruit. If it's fruits, we'll end up cherry-picking which traits to have and which ones to reject. We need all nine traits together.

[@MargaretCutt-um8iq]

exactly, and part of being Christian is being able to live beyond self. We fail but must strive to do better.

[@sirTina]

Ciara was just like “homosexuality is a sin” and then Curt was like “so anyways my husband and I” I’m dead asf 😭😂 Edit: I do not indorse any kind of homophobia or discrimination of the LGBTQ+ community. Keep your hateful comments to yourself.

[@lavieenrose5334]

My guy was so eloquent

[@emmanuelaadebisi5743]

We have to stan

[@lapislazuli3793]

@@emmanuelaadebisi5743 no thanks

[@stefvnbrssl8601]

@@lapislazuli3793 lol why not

[@lapislazuli3793]

@@stefvnbrssl8601 cause its not good to ignore sins lol

[@Munenejr]

I’m Christian, been most of my life. The real question is how do people memorize verses so well. Do they just walk around reciting them ?

[@reichan8363]

Could be. You can also do it if you choose to memorize them.

[@adreannasears994]

I just read them over and over and pray about memorization.

[@adreannasears994]

@@n.g.l. reciting yes, but it does take personal disciple to actually memorize them. I have a difficult time reciting if I haven’t made any effort to memorize

[@GR-dw9nm]

@@reichan8363 When you want to force an agenda you tend to vomit the same nonsense over and over.

[@Ransom747]

Ikr!!! I think it would be really cool to know verses like that. Knowing what verse to say at what moment would be really cool.

[@gracienorris7775]

“it was the people who hurt you in the church not God” wow that really hit me

[@xadielplasencia3674]

The people are the only ones there, so... Who did you expect?

[@carsonbrooks1326]

@@xadielplasencia3674 ok man, if people want to believe that way, let them

[@saigie3908]

I loved that quote. Ppl need to stop holding God to a human standard

[@xadielplasencia3674]

@@carsonbrooks1326 I agree, till that starts affecting me.

[@carsonbrooks1326]

@@xadielplasencia3674 the second it affected you was when you clicked on this video and the moment you started typing in the comments.

[@Kevin-e6n6i]

It’s crazy how true the Bible is when it says ‘Many will come to me and say “Lord, Lord, did we not cast out demons in your name?’ And I will say ‘Depart from me, you evil doers”. It’s sad 😞 but it’s true.

[@jonathananderson699]

Just proving that this book is filled with lies because it wants people to constantly never know where they stand and to live in fear

[@jorgealbertobruno10]

I was thinking about the same verse towards the end of this video.

[@drfenderfunk]

…Like the people who care more about supporting and glorifying an unrepentant, adulterous criminal and bullying liberals than they do following Christ and His teachings. They will be held accountable just as much as you (likely, going off your statement) think progressives will.

[@itsjustPiwoah]

YESS EXACTLYY

[@ariellaccorrea]

i wish this was longer episode bc these topics never get discussed like thissss

[@ariellak5088]

someone with the same name as me?!

[@maryg9818]

I know right? as a conservative Christian I don't see this kind of good discussion often

[@Vic-hc4rr]

@@maryg9818 Exactly!! You can't find this stuff anywhere anymore

[@skeleton5459]

same!! i love the way they are discussing things properly. i've never seen an episode where the people discuss things like this.

[@LeahMarieyt]

Part 2!!

[@nick-andrewvath5045]

They pull out Bible verses like it's a rap battle

[@daisylovers3655]

As they should.

[@CJXcars]

@@daisylovers3655 yes sir.

[@kevinfernandez1929]

@@daisylovers3655 amen

[@tshetij]

🤣🤣🤣

[@deninpaul7509]

Im wheeezingg 😂😂

[@SmartistaBeauty]

I read the title and said oooo this finna be a tussle

[@carolinemm9478]

Bri me too 🤭

[@ash4486]

Right 😭

[@mimihitmewithaspatulaandca3677]

Facts

[@lelasharp1144]

Exactly 💀💀I kept commenting fact checking the things the conservative Christians where saying

[@inokerogoyawa]

A tussle !! LOL

[@wham1984]

I’m so glad Angel and Jason are standing firm and speaking truth! Excited to meet them one day

[@rangariraikunedzimwe2780]

They're NOT! They are terrified of the LGBTQ community 🏃‍♂️💨💨

[@Xxx-ei6ff]

The black Jeffrey Dahmer is annoying

[@Dan-jp8jr]

​@@Xxx-ei6ffwhy

[@kailah7812]

@@Xxx-ei6ff😂😂😂

[@toddyboi7898]

Amen

[@anastasiareid3333]

As a black student who attends private school, I would love to see black private school kids vs. black public school students, I think that would be interesting and a great experience

[@ericanation2458]

Love this idea!!

[@anastasiareid3333]

@@ericanation2458 thank youuuu+

[@kemidada6371]

YESS!! Or African Americans versus people who grew up in Africa

[@Dude-dx5ns]

@Tiarra How??

[@goggle2233]

@@Dude-dx5ns both side look down each other a lot so it may be hard but I do want to see it

[@hellriser__]

LMAO ciara saying "i can't say you're going to hell because i don't know your relationship with god" compared to the other conservative dude who straight said "no offense you're going to hell"

[@drhemaword]

And he is if he's living in sin....... Duhhhhhhh

[@gladiator8325]

It’s easy to determine if someone’s heading to hell by their doctrine

[@TheWeekndsFan]

@@drhemaword Wdym Yes living in sin?

[@panacea26947]

You can't be progressive and christian at the same time lmao

[@user-gh5hu8mh2q]

@@panacea26947 YES!

[@myaruth6010]

“People in the church hurt you, not God” is the best line because people don’t realize this and it hurts them more than anything. Edit: I said this because I know people who questioned their faith because of how the people of the church acted towards them and others.

[@yaelfox2906]

I got chills

[@blackarchon8778]

Thats why you should leave the church.

[@TornadoeJoe]

@@blackarchon8778 That's the furthest thing from the truth.

[@Lebronwski]

@@frogpoop397 you shouldn’t leave because of the ppl. You should leave if the doctrines false or hateful

[@evas1463]

Very true!! Religion is mostly about finding hope in someone greater than us and having a community but people seem to forget that, which is why we have those religious wars and people baptizing others and tearing them down, just because they want their religion to justify their own racism/homophobia or hate in general, when it really doesn't!!

[@robertmagnificent9815]

Calling yourself a Christian and comfortably living is sin is wild work

[@donavinhill31]

this ☝🏼

[@vicentemendez5529]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@manga-1173]

Crazy how 90% of christians are like that.

[@mariougarte6620]

@@manga-1173you mean 100 percent of the population lol Christian or not Christian we’re all sinners.

[@manga-1173]

@ Yeah but only Kkkhristians claim to be loving people while being the exact opposite.

[@ChristianRobertPeterson]

These dudes spitting versus like it’s a rap battle

[@BLJ023]

Ok!!... I'm over here like.." Oh no he didn't ", "you better say that", "finish him" lol.

[@pjschaaf414]

💀

[@pauljones6629]

😂😂😂😂

[@ziggystardust2435]

@Luke Monsensey yes there was...? lol

[@LeeKnowsCatss]

Bible study is like that at my church lol

[@ElmoTinker]

I appreciated the texts referenced from scripture being displayed

[@lotus9865]

Thank you for letting us know.

[@-Bloomingtales]

Definitely!

[@edelylora7172]

Same!!

[@evamae4934]

yep!

[@sunnybugz]

"homosexuals, transgenders, and people who break the speed limit" ah yes, the htpwbtsl community

[@joshmeadows4067]

How is this not the top comment I'M DEAD hahahahaha

[@imawesomepersonDERP]

LMAO

[@booorue4876]

I don't appreciate how hard this made me laugh.

[@veronievicky]

this comment wins on so many levels XD

[@ChicoCabra]

@@joshmeadows4067 Agreed

[@EdwardDanilyuk]

Her discounting the word because Paul was the author is exactly the problem. Wait until she finds out almost 25% of the New Testament is written by Paul.

[@carloshinojosa9824]

idk how these people remember verses lol. All I learned in Catholic School: God is good all the time; all the time, God is good.

[@hzlkelly]

Because you don't read the Bible for yourself.

[@skappy8307]

samee cuz i don’t have time to memorize the Bible i would rather do something productive

[@lotus8650]

a lot of people “know” verses only to argue their point.

[@arrow2589]

It starts when you're a kid and years and years of brainwashing later it's pretty well indoctrinated

[@carloshinojosa9824]

@@skappy8307 lol, like breathing

[@ashleycouch9084]

“God did not hurt me, it was the people in the church who hurt me”. Love this so much

[@brendonbuffaloe8830]

I’m sorry that you love that statement. It’s very sad that that happened to you. The church is meant to be encouraging and comforting to its members, so I question whether or not the church you went to is built on Christ.

[@c.l.4883]

@@brendonbuffaloe8830 many are actually not and that’s a tough pill to swallow for many.

[@brendonbuffaloe8830]

@@c.l.4883 I agree. But know that they do not represent what Christianity is supposed to be

[@c.l.4883]

@@brendonbuffaloe8830 indeed

[@lynnryan3727]

@@brendonbuffaloe8830 the church hurts a lot of people sadly, and while I resonated with that statement, personally I came to that realization too late. They hurt me in such a deep and personal way that i don't think I'll ever feel comfortable associating myself with anything that has an Abrahamic label. And there are more and more people every day who come to that conclusion. It sucks, but i feel more at peace with myself today without Christianity than i ever did with it, and i will never give that up for what's equivalent to an abusive family again.

[@acidmizer]

as a non-religious person, this was rather interesting.

[@nicholasgee9127]

It is misleading.

[@vincenzorutigliano5435]

It's just American protestants fighting over what does it mean to be protestant

[@natesalinas3736]

@@vincenzorutigliano5435 Progressive Christianity is like a Doctor telling you that you can drink a 2 liter of Soda a day, and you will still be Healthy. Because it makes you feel good. Oh but make sure you get your carrots in too.

[@jackryan7357]

same ol

[@vincenzorutigliano5435]

@@natesalinas3736 Protestantism is the first step down to atheism.

[@lamis5348]

Watching as a non American, I think half the problem is there has been a mixture with faith and politics.

[@N3CR0_C0RP0]

Watching this as a Catholic is a very different experience

[@ranYRMOM]

so true

[@jessebartunek3195]

Wow, as an American Protestant that is converting to Catholicism I see this so different now than I would have a few years ago.

[@drfenderfunk]

Which continent are you from? I'm asking out of curiosity, because Europeans, Africans, South Americans, and Asians would all take very different things from this I presume.

[@SamwiseKimchee]

Why do you see this differently as a Catholic? ​@@N3CR0_C0RP0

[@fd6864]

"homosexuals, transgenders, people who break the speed limit..." when i tell you i screamed aloud

[@cookie508]

RIGHT!!! my jaw dropped

[@lacybarrier4439]

Yelling at screen like it’s a football game

[@thefantastictwo1356]

@@lacybarrier4439 TOTALLY HAHA

[@andrewstewart8798]

this guy hasnt seen northern utah highways

[@tobiasgross6899]

literallay

[@fishels3895]

Do conservative atheists vs liberal Christians lol

[@theglutton1815]

I’ve meet those lol

[@hazel6323]

I would pay so much to see that.

[@chriscraig6353]

Wait no cus that would be so crazy but yes let's do it

[@dariusd2003]

Wow that's an interesting dynamic. I'd be curious what each camp believes and how they defend their viewpoints.

[@brandontrammel4581]

I'm liberal Christian or progressive

[@stefano215]

They were trading bible verses like it’s a rap battle 😩

[@prodby.kansha]

🤣

[@inactivetiffany3772]

Bars 😂

[@eaglementality1204]

So I watched the one with conservative/liberal Muslims…. Comment section: I love how he knows the Quran and is able to recite it . Wish I knew (and could quote) the Bible the same Christians do the same: Oh, you’re weaponizing the scriptures against people and using them like rap battles

[@caligurl8770]

Yeah 😅

[@bluebellbeatnik4945]

they need to do a hamilton musical of this

[@Miyykael]

Omg that line "I have desires and Inclinations to follow the voice of the Lord!" That sent me what a line

[@j.keshie]

Such a great way to put it

[@corylcain]

Didn't answer the question. Suppression isn't the same

[@kuroro8435]

lol, he was simply trying to dodge the question.

[@camilledeadwiler7266]

I find it weird that the question asked “Would Jesus protest” and people explained why they didn’t protest... the question didn’t ask what y’all would or did do

[@SailorAnthy]

Thank You! I came to the comments looking for this

[@_chade]

You bring up a very good point, which essentially is the basis of religion: ONE’S own beliefs and interpretations that are then put on Jesus.

[@nikolatheme5572]

Ikr, personaly I don't believe in god but if I did I would want to believe that he would. Because I would only want to believe in kind God that wants to help people.

[@enigmatic9118]

Mind you, I'm not a christian, but I was born and raised one. Their responses to that question seem based on the fact they view Jesus as within them, and that Jesus is many things. If they did not participate, then Jesus would not participate, but they also explained why. Once again, I do not hold these beliefs, but I do want to help explain where they are coming from.

[@my_cousin_mose9782]

I thought it was odd too. I bet that was all edited out. I could be wrong but it seems more likely than them skirting around the question like that.

[@imalwayspanicking]

“People in the church hurt you, not God.” THAT. I love that.

[@kovanashae1762]

They use god to hurt you so I see where they’re coming from as a Christian.

[@Eddie-oy6hv]

AMennnn!!!!💛💛💛💛

[@tinybubs6145]

Curt is my new favorite person

[@charl7346]

@@kovanashae1762 You know who else was hurt by religious people? Jesus. He was killed by them. He didn't blame God for the things men did to him.

[@KenWBO]

Now that I think about it. That’s a key point many people don’t seem to realize...

[@arcyknows]

“You already have an agenda & your trying to fit the Bible into that agenda instead of accepting the Gospel for what it is.” Perfectly said.

[@sallygirl1012]

My agenda came after I started reading the Bible. How can you follow something that contradicts itself consistently. The Bible is full of human sin.

[@cetsy2023]

How?

[@w4rsh1p]

And what it is is a hateful violent disturbing book that we know cannot be true.

[@christopherpearson2116]

Well, it endorses (for life, too) slavery, for one... Also, captive brides... in several cases. And as for how... censuses... are handled: In 2 Samuel 24...? Odd. Macabre.@@cetsy2023

[@MCKingM4RTIN]

@@sallygirl1012there are no contradictions

[@EMBEEAY]

There’s one thing that everyone should know about Christianity above all: any person who claims to follow the lord but is hateful and uses the word to excuse his hate is NOT practicing Christianity. The Bible actually *warns* you of these types many, many, times. Period.

[@nicholasgee9127]

Telling the truth is not hate, you know Jesus was hated and warned his followers that the world will hate them too.

[@JonathanAnthonyAltieri]

@@nicholasgee9127 Telling the truth? Whose truth? Hate is hate. Bigotry is hate. God of the Bible is hate.

[@adriana12995]

@@JonathanAnthonyAltieri Satan is very happy with your comment

[@Musickt196]

@@nicholasgee9127 Jesus was talking about people who are genuinely persecuted for their religion, such as the Christians being murdered in the Middle East simply for being Christian. He wasn't talking about those who are assholes to everyone and use the Bible to justify their anger and hatred. And this is coming from a religious person.

[@Musickt196]

@@nicholasgee9127 you obviously have never met a hateful religious person. I have a horrible one in my life right now, it is actually because of this person that I am struggling with my faith. I never understood toxic religion until I actually met one.

[@gilliandoplemore9357]

This is not Liberal Christians vs. Republican Christians, it is Progressive Christians vs. Conservative Christians. There is a difference that does not relate directly to politics.

[@christophermorillo369]

i mean it does relate directly to politics which is why they talk about various policy (abortion, marriage) and why 2/3 conservative Christians and 0/3 progressive Christians said republicans were more Christ-like.

[@walker7155]

how does this not relate to politics when all they talk about is politics?

[@gilliandoplemore9357]

@@christophermorillo369 Maybe in the context of this video, but in general it’s bigger than politics. There’s a different that goes beyond parties.

[@gilliandoplemore9357]

@@walker7155 maybe in the context of this video, but overall, there is more to it.

[@walker7155]

@@gilliandoplemore9357 maybe they don’t talk about issues you feel they should talk about, but the video is based on their individual association with either republican, or libertarian.

[@mariayustitia4598]

respect to these people for not shouting at each other's faces when they're discussing... especially the blonde woman, wise behaviour at its finest.

[@shawnadavis1130]

Christianity at its finest...

[@rockfacts3235]

Brenda is amazing!

[@teaguecogdill1473]

Brenda is a class act.

[@samantha-lx8nh]

nah i feel like brenda was too judgemental

[@urmom44751]

we stan Brenda, if that was me i would've been yelling within the first 10 minutes lol

[@DJ_Orangutan]

Angel and Jason being the only ones able to quote scripture says everything.

[@Ni-wl9uh]

What about the mysoginystic verses in the bible?

[@obedmartinez5825]

💯💯💯

[@Djr127]

@@Ni-wl9uhwhich ones?

[@pythondrink]

​@@Djr127hang on

[@GottesgrosszuegigeGnade]

​​@@pythondrink ​@Ni-wl9uh when are they coming? There are non

[@fysical7643]

bro these people memorized the bible, I can't even remember what I had for dinner

[@Eanna0228]

Right 😭😭

[@benborja3200]

lol

[@alainaholycross6586]

and that's being a pastor and being deticated to the Lord :D

[@emiliezylstra6589]

Bruh same

[@alainaholycross6586]

@Filcher Gravesly Not a waste of time if you knew where you were goin when you die... and it ain't heaven (for now) and it ain't staying put in the ground. It breaks my heart to know there are so many (like you) people that don't and haven't come to realize what they're missing out on when they should go to the kingdom of God! :( :( bless your soul..

[@richardlew3667]

To my fellow Americans. God is not a Republican nor is He a Democrat because He is not an American!

[@fionafiona1146]

It's depressing to see you struggle with the two party system over 70 years after approving Fashisem retardend pluralistic more representative systems and having security reports on them.

[@declangorman4290]

idk about god but Jesus was definitely a socialist, if not a communist

[@independent_bully_maguire9320]

yep.

[@independent_bully_maguire9320]

@@declangorman4290 nope he would probably be Libertarian.

[@fionafiona1146]

@@independent_bully_maguire9320 the whole "follow the law (of the land, temple and being subservient)" parts do not fit that. Not to mention the "give and your will receive".

[@Marilynefc]

“The people in the church hurt me. God did not hurt me” 🥺❤️

[@Pseudynom]

The only way to stop a bad guy with a god is a good guy with a god.

[@DanLuxe]

Atheist here. Same. That got me.

[@elijahtrent21]

Praise God

[@wiswc]

Can we ban emojis already?!

[@cocoajames5]

right. i feel like people group the members of the church with God themselves and it ruins the message. that's why a lot of people that have met bad christians end up hating God and the religion itself and not the people. 😔

[@Pollyanna4123]

This was the most calm and respectful middle ground I’ve watched😂

[@brianag1175]

❤christains❤

[@NathanBlackberry]

🙏😊❤️✝️

[@FrancisDomingoJr]

Anyone else craving for more topics to be discussed with liberal and conservative Christians? This was so good and very insightful!

[@tpawesomeness2526]

Yes, I do fear the concepts that the "Liberals" brought up. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to know that all scripture is good for teaching and applying. Who is to say that Paul was not speaking God's word but a well-known prophet like Elijah wasn't. This narrative gives others looking to explore Christianity as a whole further doubt into the validity of the bible. Jesus talked about keeping His children out of the kingdom of heaven, and His punishment for those people is going to be quite unpleasant. See Luke 17:2

[@TheJacobiedwards]

@@tpawesomeness2526 being a Christian is an active choice. There are so many lost texts in Christians due to the denouncement of Judaism by the Protestant/Catholic church, King James, and just overall colonialism. So in other words it’s an incomplete text. That doesn’t remove the validity but the fact that you are absorbing an incomplete text, and only including the Old Testament for personal convenience goes against the core of Christianity. It’s ideology and faith not law, so there’s room for interpretation and context.

[@Keyumiz]

Yes, definitely.

[@profile1172]

@@TheJacobiedwards What lost texts are there? You seem to fail to realize that Christians are different than Jews not from "overall colonialism" but the fact we see Jesus as God in the flesh and the Jews don't. There is a reason why KJV is used most by both Cath/Protest and by people with degrees in theology. We include the Old Testament but how does that go against core beliefs? Being Christian has laws on it. You ever heard of a thing called the 10 Commandments? There is no room for interpretation if God says sin is bad.

[@tpawesomeness2526]

@@TheJacobiedwards I was not saying there was no room for interpretation. Rather it is good that we gather together and have meaningful discussions about God's word. I also meant that others outside the faith would question the validity(I never said they were right to do so). I simply meant if we as Christians decide that we are going to see one part of the Bible as an opinion and not the word of God then who are we to call the Bible God's holy word. We should take all scripture into account and let it divide right from wrong in our lives. This includes taking into account the words of God's servant Paul.

[@carter9608]

angel seems like the kinda dude who would tell me that 'i can still be saved' while patting my shoulder and smiling

[@spookyho5994]

hahaha yes

[@kafkaesqueangel]

i cant tell if this is for or not for angel 0-0

[@_cherrychi_]

@@kafkaesqueangel LOL

[@Lebronwski]

Everyone deserves hell and we all need saving

[@pippi2285]

@@Lebronwski good thing hell doesn’t exist

[@rachelrose4124]

i really wish jubilee could release the full conversation, or at least the complete answers each person gave to the statements, because on brenda’s channel she and curt revealed that the conversation had been THREE HOURS long! i feel like so many people would be interested in hearing more of this conversation! if an uncut video is impossible, maybe like some bonus moments in the conversation that didn’t make the cut for this original video? who also wants to see more from this conversation?

[@TotalHuman]

I would br interested

[@BambiIves]

Jubilee probably didn't wanna have people clicking off for the video for being too long. That's why they cut so much of the conversation

[@joseespino4121]

@@BambiIves right , but there should be a link to the full conversation

[@lonedolo644]

@@joseespino4121 Big ass Faxx. They should have a separate account with the full fledge topic discussions.

[@Laura-vv6wo]

Me definitely!

[@TheJayKellz]

To be honest this conversation could have been alot longer with more biblical context underlining each major discourse

[@Jojo_Ojo_14]

Angel said “as Americans, you all have rights” after Olivia said she wasn’t American.

[@eriley7809]

I noticed that too. I really hope it was editing or he just didn’t think of how that sounded.

[@lerulara]

I think he forgot, after she said it I forgot as well until you mentioned it, I mean she just seems like such a sweet girl and with the way she speaks she doesn't sound like from another country.

[@floritahhh]

OMG TRUE like why would he even say "as Americans" are other nationalities....not included...?

[@Wintermute01001]

There's a really weird conflation with Christianity and American nationalism among conservative Americans.

[@beigemeoli7016]

I don’t think he meant it against her I think he is leaning towards people who live in America weather you were born in a different country or not yk? Cuz I see anyone who lives in America as American

[@kaitllynmcnerney8364]

“People in the church hurt you, not God.”

[@sxmone2018]

God made those people that hurt you

[@glodimvovi2345]

@@sxmone2018 he didn’t make them hurt anyone people have free will they chose to hurt

[@jasminemurillo903]

Saucy Buckets32 god made those people have the free will to choose so yes god made those people hurt you.

[@glodimvovi2345]

@@jasminemurillo903 he didn’t make them to hurt, he made people and gave them the option to choose. If they choose to hurt, they chose to hurt, if they choose to do good they chose to do good

[@Freaky_Productions]

@@sxmone2018 more like satan

[@Ian-bt8dz]

These are conservative Christians from California, do a casting call in Kentucky and the video will be a lot more interesting.

[@rileyanderson9896]

HAHA YES. I was thinking the same thing

[@jaedyncampbell7516]

omg yes. the conservative christians in this video would probably be considered progressive here in kentucky

[@therealyungjayz]

Anyone in the Bible Belt really

[@TheSurrealist.]

Get some Texans in there and they’d just throwing fists while getting drunk.

[@1mortalados63]

@@jaedyncampbell7516 Exactly

[@E.j-]

Yall need to put Cliff Knetchle in one of these😂

[@Estherokuwa]

Frrr

[@UnKnown-hx2bg]

And Sam Shamoun

[@hayleecookkk]

And his son 😭

[@velikan9662]

@@UnKnown-hx2bgGodlogic too

[@GalaxyCatPlays]

David lynn too

[@kashcow]

When he said “I had homosexual inclinations” when I tell u, I have never screamed “IK IT” so loud.

[@daddylonglegs3420]

hun, with those glasses we been knew 💀

[@norapeace6526]

@@daddylonglegs3420 HOW???? Teach me your ways 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂

[@lilyfeist3841]

Low key just want to give him a hug and tell him it’s okay to be gay...

[@DizGaAlcam]

@@norapeace6526 its called gaydar

[@norapeace6526]

@@DizGaAlcam I know what it’s called.. I’m trying to improve mine 😅

[@nono-mu9rw]

how do they quote the bible like that when I can't even remember song lyrics

[@brookepettenati3323]

right 😭😭

[@hydrolito]

Jesus loves me this I know because the bible tells me so, little ones to he belong they are weak but he is strong. yes Jesus loves me, yes Jesus loves me the bible tells me so. I remember that from when I was a child. Although no longer claim to believe in any god.

[@marcilk7534]

They work at memorizing it. I have difficulty memorizing too.

[@mollie-maiellmer6607]

Bible*

[@clarissafairchild16]

I can quote one verse and that's it. And that's bc it was drilled into my head during bible study in third grade...I'm now in 9th grade and agnostic

[@nidamerchant1935]

progressive vs conservative muslims would be such a good topic

[@zhcultivator]

Sunnis vs Shia muslims would be very interesting to see tbh

[@danabarakat1816]

nope. Conservative Muslims stand by what they believe in regardless. You cannot sway their opinions nor can you have a simple conversation about differing views. That's MY experience being born Muslim and no longer identifying with Islam in my community. The majority of conservative Muslims believe they are one hundred percent correct in every idea that they have been taught and even discussing different ideas/views is regarded as sinful. Not much of a discussion would ever happen (in my opinion).

[@danabarakat1816]

@@zhcultivator I highly doubt it would be civil though.

[@zhcultivator]

@@danabarakat1816 Ok I would still like to see it though regardless lol

[@danabarakat1816]

@@zhcultivator I mean, it would most likely be a lot of bickering, yelling, and arguing and people constantly interrupting one another... just what I picture, lol. I mean in my Muslim community people get in actual fights about religion and it's just so unhealthy, but if that's what you want to watch... lol.

[@lukefantini9770]

Angel is an absolute LION of the Lord. So inspiring to see his resolve, I hope he continues and praying for his success.

[@katiebells8024]

The girl made a really good point about divorce vs homosexuality that no one countered.

[@greenergrass4060]

Yeah, youre right. I think because Divorce is a "one-time" sin. Whilst homosexual relations last Long-term , and therefore become "lifestyles".

[@amartinez589]

@katiebells the Bible explicitly states that God hates divorce, Malachi 2:16. If someone was divorced prior to becoming a Christian they are not going to be excluded from service. If someone was practicing homosexuality prior to becoming Christian they should not be excluded either. But no one can claim to be a Christian and also practice homosexuality. They also cannot claim to be Christian and desire divorce.

[@greenergrass4060]

@@amartinez589 what are your thoughts on Annulment? Or legal, state-appointed marriage?

[@poocrayon4588]

Most no fault divorces would be a sin in Gods eyes. But I guess it was Eve that ate the apple and women do initiate 85% of divorce and feminists were the ones that fought for no fault divorce so its no surprise

[@jermerygrug3090]

@@greenergrass4060 I was just about to say this good onya mate

[@someonee5084]

Her saying being gay is a sin and him immediately afterwards saying he's gay is weirly hilarious and sad.

[@weirdlanguageguy]

having gay tendancies, or tendancies towards anything believed to be wrong, isnt a sin. Engaging in those things are

[@kamusta3446]

@@weirdlanguageguy So your saying Heterosexuals can marry, adopt kids, make love. while Homosexuals just stand there like a statue? What the actual hell is wrong with your brain?

[@jadenphilander8799]

@@kamusta3446 So when I have an impulse to drink, it is a natural impulse but to act on it and get drunk is a sin. So the life of a christian, muslim, jew is also about trying to control your impulses.

[@kamusta3446]

@@jadenphilander8799 So your saying not to treat LGBT people as equal? what is also wrong with your brain?

[@dalsegno7001]

@@kamusta3446 oof, that struck your nerve didn’t it? 💀💀

[@Anitatata]

Olivia made a really good point "why are divorced people allowed to serve?" We have to hand it to her, they chose to take a vow in the house of the Lord and then choose to break it while LGBTQ+ people didn't get any choice.

[@jahdielheywood5277]

Divorce has conditions that Jesus allowed. If the partner is unfaithful then they have broken the covenant and are no longer under the rules that bind the marriage.

[@Anitatata]

@@jahdielheywood5277 only if your spouse cheated you but that's not usually the case

[@jahdielheywood5277]

@@Anitatata Well i'm not American so i'm not sure why it happens because y'all just really weird over there

[@blackphillip4424]

@@jahdielheywood5277 Christianity is just really weird everywhere

[@jahdielheywood5277]

@@blackphillip4424 nahh your perception of it is weird

[@chryztyn24q]

I love how free, unbiased and unafraid discussions of very sensitive topics are in Jubilee in it’s entirety not just on this video 🙏🙌🎉

[@Honeycoupe]

"Born again Christians vs Ex-Christians" would be a great episode.

[@SeekingtruthwithGrace]

💯 … just waiting for that

[@realtalkwithphil]

Yup

[@marsjokes]

Still waiting

[@marsjokes]

It would be interesting to have @Gothix on the Born Again side too

[@Honeycoupe]

@@marsjokes and @Jaclyn on the Ex Christians side.

[@hollsmarija2880]

I would have loved to see other topics discussed, like divorce, drinking, music, denominations, topics of sexuality and pro-life are always put up on a pedestal and talked about widely.

[@johnnyhandel4085]

Sure that would be interesting, but those topics are “on a pedestal” because they are important and effecting people on a much larger scale

[@Leah-Stan]

@@johnnyhandel4085 How is music effecting people 🤔

[@Eloweh]

Ya there should be a part 2

[@v.k5417]

Divorce is accepted a lot more in Protestantism, this show is in America, so Protestants would be fine. Drinking is frowned upon by Baptists. Basically these topics that you stated depend more on denomination rather than Conservatism/Liberalism [In Christianity]

[@johnnyhandel4085]

Monty Mole would you care to re-read mine or the the OPs comment?

[@cranesonice6566]

“I probably wouldn’t have said it as curt” Next speaker: Curt

[@alterrihenri110]

Curt was on the Jesse lee Peterson show

[@LivinwithPat]

wdym

[@bettyjosebetty8302]

I'm not a native English speaker and was so confused

[@honestfriend767]

I think he meant to say Jason.

[@breakfastradish5331]

I SAW THAT AND LAUGHED

[@justarandomweeb4234]

20:02 I believe that when you’re able to straight up say that you don’t believe certain parts of the Bible then you have a big issue

[@Megalaglag]

Yup, she is a heretic

[@Estherokuwa]

That’s craaaaaazy

[@originalslicey]

I don't know who all needs to hear this, but THE BIBLE IS NOT LITERAL.

[@UrMom-jq8my]

@@originalslicey Of course most parts aren't, but that doesn't take away its absolute credibility.

[@Kevintendo]

Many Christians believe lots of the Bible is metaphorical, allegorical, etc.. 7 days of creation, anyone?

[@EpicBURN321]

Would be interesting to see Liberal Muslims vs Conservative Muslims

[@Kyrgyz420]

It would be the biggest fight ever

[@hishamharis9371]

Truee..

[@hishamharis9371]

Yeah! Many of them. It depends upon their respective countries I may say.

[@hishamharis9371]

Like muslims in developed countries are chill.. uae for example. And muslims from multicultural countries like India are most likely liberals

[@hishamharis9371]

That's true... Moreover social media tends to polarise everyone's views.. so a conservative continues to be conservative and a liberal will have his feed filled with posts in favour of his own ideology. It's important for one to have a friend circle of various cultures and religions.

[@JJ-fi2no]

“I can’t forget what the Bible says to be more accepting of people.” But the Bible isn’t against being more accepting. Jesus literally prioritized the outcasts of society, those neglected or socially ostracized when he first came to Earth (poor, sick, disabled people, tax collectors, etc.). Jesus was criticized for his level of acceptance. If you’re going to try to spread God’s words but with discriminatory lenses and/or practices you’ll never actually accomplish what you’re trying to do and you’re actually going against what God wanted. Edit: Thank you for all the likes! Also, to anyone who’s had negative experiences with a church, I’m so sorry! There are Christians that genuinely try to unlearn the discrimination we were taught when we were younger and hopefully the younger generations of Christians become more progressive.

[@kiamartin3704]

I agree. But he also casted out the evil that was within them before allowing them to follow him around. He did party with demons. He accepted them to heal them and love them. He didn’t accept the sin.

[@JJ-fi2no]

@@kiamartin3704 Poverty and being infected with disease aren’t sins though. And the people with disabilities he healed like those who were blind only had to believe he could actually heal them and they would be healed upon touching his robes. In other words, their faith in him was key. There was no “extra step” beyond faith. Also, forgiveness isn’t earned, it’s freely given (though again, poverty and disease aren’t sins themselves, what sin are you referring when you say he didn’t accept the sin?).

[@kiamartin3704]

@@JJ-fi2no Oh? If you’re not talking about sins then you’re argument about acceptance is not the same. Also having faith in him is the first most important step, but so is listening to his word after that. After you become his child, you will listen to his teaching through the bible.

[@cloberlobster2276]

@@kiamartin3704 I can smell the discrimination, it reeks off of you.

[@GeraldGenics]

Yes God talks about accepting people, but not to accept their sins that they commit. I will love every single person I come across, but it’s also my calling to warn them about the sin they are committing

[@Rosalie450]

This episode showed that you don’t need to raise your voice or your temper to have a powerful voice! I felt like Brenda and Curt were very strong speakers without being aggressive

[@habenwoldemelak4507]

Yes to the first part but no to the second it’s just cause u agreee with them, they had no points

[@Densoro]

@@habenwoldemelak4507 They literally dissected the changes in translation over the years. ‘Man shall not lie with man’ was originally ‘with boy.’ This undercuts every presupposition of the clobber verses.

[@habenwoldemelak4507]

@@Densoro it’s been debunked go search it again

[@jasonmartinez7667]

Nah *Brenda*

[@jinjunliu2401]

I do agree with Yonko here. That when you agree with someone, you'll see them in a better light and focus more on them in a positive way. For me, I didn't have anyone really stand out because I agree partially with both sides' arguments

[@AllieCoco]

Jason and Angel are literally my fav people on this whole interview… not only where they giving proper scriptures but they were also patient, calm and kind as well!

[@jared3235]

I’m amazed of everyone’s ability to articulate their beliefs. That’s what I want to do. Not convince others of what I believe but simply articulate what I believe.

[@maliah2992]

The best way to do that is to say, "im not trying to change your opinion, but since we're on the topic, and you got to share how you felt, I'd like the same opportunity to do so."

[@jared3235]

@CanUDraw As a Christian I believe it’s important to preach the good news of Gods kingdom. Not everyone cares to listen and that’s their prerogative. But for those that are intrigued I wish I was able to express myself in an articulate and confident way.

[@tinybubs6145]

@@jared3235 Preach

[@عبدالعزيزعبدالله-ط7م]

(33) Indeed, Allāh chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of ʿImrān over the worlds(34) Descendants, some of them from others. And Allāh is Hearing and Knowing. (35) [Mention, O Muḥammad], when the wife of ʿImrān said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing." delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allāh was most knowing of what she delivered, and the male is not like the female. "And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allāh]." accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, "O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?" She said, "It is from Allāh. Indeed, Allāh provides for whom He wills without account." (38) At that, Zechariah called upon his Lord, saying, "My Lord, grant me from Yourself a good offspring. Indeed, You are the Hearer of supplication." (39) So the angels called him while he was standing in prayer in the chamber, "Indeed, Allāh gives you good tidings of John, confirming a word[123] from Allāh and [who will be] honorable, abstaining [from women], and a prophet from among the righteous. (40) He said, "My Lord, how will I have a boy when I have reached old age and my wife is barren?" He [the angel] said, "Such is Allāh; He does what He wills. (41) He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not [be able to] speak to the people for three days except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and exalt [Him with praise] in the evening and the morning. (42) And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allāh has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds (43) O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]." (44) That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muḥammad]. And you were not with them when they cast their pens[124] as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed. (45) [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allāh gives you good tidings of a word[125] from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allāh]. (46) He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous." (47) She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allāh; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. (48) And He will teach him writing and wisdom[126] and the Torah and the Gospel messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allāh. And I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allāh. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. (50) And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allāh and obey me. (51) Indeed, Allāh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path.'" (52) But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allāh?" The disciples said, "We are supporters for Allāh. We have believed in Allāh and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. (53) Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger [i.e., Jesus], so register us among the witnesses [to truth]." (54) And they [i.e., the disbelievers] planned, but Allāh planned. And Allāh is the best of planners. Allāh said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify [i.e., free] you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allāh alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. (56) And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers

[@robocop6573]

if you are good at articulating then you could convince others easily

[@Max-lx2vx]

i feel really bad for Curt in the lgbtq talking part there just saying how gay people won’t go to heaven and stuff and he’s here like:🧍‍♂️

[@ilovejesus77888]

well he has to hear it. It hurts but it’s a warning so he doesn’t go there. Someone had to say it

[@Max-lx2vx]

@@ilovejesus77888 he’s not gonna go to hell for being gay

[@gabbyalarcon305]

@Bruno Menezes why?

[@Max-lx2vx]

@Bruno Menezes no he won’t

[@ilovejesus77888]

@@Max-lx2vx I can guarantee that you really have no knowledge of what it is to follow Christ . He’s a compromised Christian. That’s the progressive clan. They want to follow Christ but there’s parts that they don’t want to let go, so they compromise and call it progressive Christianity. In other words..foolishness. So I don’t blame you for thinking that way. Take care.

[@katanatomo5037]

Curt is such a sweetheart. We need more people like him. And I'm saying that as a muslim tho. He is sooo respectful, hateless, understandable and calm. If his lastname is :Harmony ... I wouldn't even be surprised ahhaahha

[@biancham]

I called curt out as a pastor before he even said he was one. Certain pastors have an air about them that is so inviting, kind, and warm. My pastor is one of those people and the fact that many people believe she shouldn’t be a pastor because she’s a woman, is insane. She is a huge reason I have the relationship I do with god. Jesus said the biggest rule is loving thy neighbor and any church or “Christian” who teaches otherwise, is not Christian.

[@bdrummmm]

If he had been on the conservative side you would’ve talked about how much he was naturally uninviting 🙄

[@atinigga9077]

what your whlte---doing here

[@Doulos.Romans8.34]

Its funny but sad that some people aren't going to see the irony in your comment.

[@sebces2576]

@@bdrummmm if he’d been conservative you’d have called him “one of the good ones”

[@iem123]

Great to see Angel and Jason being both respectful to the progressive “Christians” but also being very firm in their stance on the bible being completely true. You can’t call yourself a Christian and turn around and disregard large parts of what he’s said and they were respectful but firm about that fact

[@yennifercortez6961]

Amen

[@historysyourbestfriend5500]

Neither can the “conservative” Christians. They don’t follow Christianity to the T either so what they’re not Christian? Don’t begin w that.

[@joeyangel69]

“I had to go to counseling bc of what the church did to me and it took the counselor who wasn’t Christian to help me see that God didn’t hurt me, the church hurt me” 😳😳 I need therapy LOOOOL

[@Swttpea]

Churches push ppl away more often then they think. It’s incredibly sad.

[@oifelixheresyourramen6107]

Even my pastor says religion won't heal you, God will

[@-----------g-]

You look gender soluble.

[@lemadraws9751]

I’m just curious do you mind explaining (doesn’t have to be in detail) what the church did to you? What can we fix? What did they do wrong, and I’m so sorry that happened to you.

[@iliketurtles4359]

@@lemadraws9751 she quoted a guy in the video

[@mariag2545]

The black worship leader guy looks like he’s straight outta the 70s edit: omg this got a lot of like hahaha

[@tricktrapper]

man I feel so bad for that dude. He's throwing a major life experience away because of one line in a 2,000 year old book that was mistranslated three hundred years ago. nah son be you

[@emmajoygray7239]

@@tricktrapper he hates himself so much :(

[@snoopythedoge5639]

@@tricktrapper the bible speaks against homosexuality in many different parts of the Bible, so it was not just a mistranslated word. (For example, Leviticus and some of Paul's writings. I dont remember the specific verses tho) God bless.

[@atrixsauza2068]

@@snoopythedoge5639 that does not mean the book is good. It is still outdated as it was made by ignorant men after all

[@ChrisSmith-pe4tf]

@@emmajoygray7239 no he doesn’t, he will get his eternal reward

[@colerolan6538]

Following God is not about “doing what we can to get to heaven” for we are saved by grace through faith, not works

[@mayaday5525]

i totally agree, this is very well said

[@jennygump813h2]

Amen!!

[@ange949]

That said, shouldn't the threat of hell be eliminated completely then? I mean jesus died in the bible for sins to be forgiven so the entire concept of hell should have been done away with in the new testament and then technically god doesn't believe in punishing the sinners if they're rewarded for JUST believing in him then? And is he really all powerful if he allows sin to happen? Or is the devil his accomplice in that regard? Christianity leaves no room for logical and critical thinking, just blind faith on zero evidence. Ugh

[@bespectacledheroine7292]

@@ange949 I agree with you that religion simply asks for too much and offers too little in return, and I’ve asked myself the “why does hell even exist?” question many times, but to be completely fair on one thing here, “allowing sin to happen” is a simplified view on how that works. What Christians believe is, God imbued everyone with free will, to make our own mistakes. This is a major reason they’re all pro God and this is one part of the religion I like. I don’t so much like how the suffering of a given sin isn’t mitigated for the benefit of the innocent and the promise of the sweet relief of the pearly gates is all the reassurance humans are meant to be afforded, but the actual system for sinning and sinners themselves does make a sort of air tight sense. Again, except the hell thing you pointed out. If damnation can be bypassed as simply as believing in Christ, it’s sort of rendered null and void isn’t it? The only reason it’d be kept around is to punish nonbelievers such as ourselves, or more accurately I guess, anyone who doesn’t accept God and Jesus and whatever else into their hearts upon their death. I can’t help but think that’s like, way harsh? But what do I know? I’m a filthy heathen.

[@masonlecordier]

But... literally the last chapter of the bible talks about who will make it into heaven and who won't. Revelation 22:14-15 (written after the death of Jesus)

[@bvumazonke]

Jason and Angel ATE

[@khunli7]

PERIOD, THEY SECURED THE BAGGG

[@TZ19999]

Lmao no. Seek help.

[@IbelieveinGod483]

​@@TZ19999We found our help. You haven't.

[@budgereeshcmudgeree5364]

The amount of people commenting this is insaneeee like are u okay? Are u genuinely ok?

[@w1ld.4t.h3art]

ate what exactly'? except from hate obv

[@daniescobarm]

I literally CACKLED at “people who break the speed limit” y’all are too much

[@nino-wm1km]

same that was too funny 😭

[@ashton4950]

the Bible notes breaking any law of the land as a sin! any law big or small is applicable to this verse that’s where they’re getting it from!

[@steezbuscemi]

I needed to click of after that, my goodness

[@mattspyro]

@@ashton4950 exactly yet another reason the bible is a joke. All these religions based on literal text is so silly

[@delancey3181]

Cálmate imbecil

[@doctor1alex]

Christians should never be defined by by politics but should definitely care about politics.

[@crt1978]

Good point

[@eliesh3833]

Agreed. There's nothing wrong with having political beliefs whilst being a person of faith, as long as those two things remain separate.

[@DudeImWayBetter]

@@eliesh3833 Completely disagree if you are to have political opinions they should come from a kingdom / Bible perspective. Not a worldly one.

[@eliesh3833]

@@DudeImWayBetter What does that even mean? Politics themselves are a worldly thing. That's why faith should be separate from political belief. If you base your faith entirely on politics, then it seems like you're believing in God for the wrong reasons. There's actually a verse that may support this. *Mark 12:17* "Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him." You may advocate whatever political beliefs that you want to, as long as your faith in God does not become intertwined with these things. Your spiritual faith should not be placed in people or material things, only in God. And if anything, I feel that being politically unbiased whilst supporting aspects of both sides is more Christ-like then just being one or the other. Both sides hold biblical values just as they both hold values that are unbiblical. Frankly, I don't think either political side is the "biblical" one. They're both just political ideologies that conflict one other in a myriad of ways.

[@DudeImWayBetter]

@@eliesh3833 nothing should be seperate from the kingdom / faith. If you have a belief that isn't first filtered through the Bible than what's the point of the Bible / your faith in the first place.

[@RoninDurey]

when the conservative told everyone he was lowkey gay OOP... THIS EPISODE IS CRAZYYYYYYY

[@alexcarlton4172]

He's totally closeted, the deniers are usually gay ooh LMAOO

[@woah7066]

I deadass lost it

[@roberthernandez5334]

Lmaoooo, I knew it too, I was like, homie is gay, I’m so sad for him

[@ebonyy5248]

@@roberthernandez5334 why are u sad for him?

[@MsAqaqSwsw]

I’m a same-sex attracted to Christian and I found deliverance and freedom and joy and peace that everyone searches for through Jesus. It’s very so possible that he will be just fine if he keeps his faith in God. 🤗

[@Fred-wy7bt]

“The Bible is not a sex manual” Lady there’s an entire book called the Song of Songs addressing sex.

[@emilyli3393]

I mean it’s a long long love poem not really sex specifically

[@ashleyhernandez2450]

if only the presidential debates were this civil

[@minor7805]

I didn't watch all the past debates but im pretty sure it was just the 2020 debate that was bad

[@juliakay7446]

Minor The first debate wasn't respectful at all, mostly from President Trump, but still from both parties. The second one, however, was much more enjoyable to watch as they respected each other.

[@gracedicken8708]

But then they wouldn’t be so funny!!!!!!😂

[@punishedkim8830]

@@juliakay7446 why would traitor Biden deserve respect

[@juliakay7446]

Punished Kim I think that Joe Biden is the worst person to be president. I support Donald Trump, but I think that it's clear to see that he was not respectful in the first debate. Having a civilized debate instead of a heated argument would ultimately be more beneficial to everyone, and the first debate simply wasn't that. As far as why Joe Biden deserves respect, personally, I don't think he does. He is a racist liar who can't give a five minute speech without a teleprompter. Why would he deserve my respect? He doesn't.

[@AbuLuLu313]

I would really love to see a group of three discuss. Conservative Jews - Conservative Muslims - Conservative Christians. That would be really interesting.

[@Potnoodle123]

They'd be suprised how similarly we think lol

[@south7132]

We think extremely similarity when it comes to politics but a discussion between theology regarding the abrahamic religions would be very interesting...

[@coffeemetro]

I mean, there's bound to be some overlap with the abrahamic religions. What I'd like to see though is Conservative Muslims speaking to Liberal Muslims, I'd like to see some of the misogynistic and homophobic muslims have their eyes opened to see that you've got to love people, no matter who they are.

[@shockhouser3171]

Oh yea

[@duchessoftheprairie]

@@coffeemetro they already did it. it was hard for me to go through with some people against my identity, but ..... yeah.

[@vivyvocalist723]

I'm so glad they got rid of the flat earther Christians and finally brought thoughtful people on here. Well done

[@devincanada9523]

AMEN!

[@edenswaterislife9214]

The messiah is a Hebrew Israelite not a Roman Christian. It speaks this throughout the entire Bible. His name was changed. Hallelujah means Praise Ye Yah seek or sleep

[@faoink]

@@edenswaterislife9214 you, to summarize your beliefs, think white ppl due to their ancestors will burn in hell because you think that the slave master's children will burn. You think unless they accept that are lower than us (your version of the covenant only ) they will burn in hell. If they accept the covenant they will be slaves to us black ppl. This ideology is harmful so no. Even as a black person I don't believe the Messiah has such a wicked narrative.

[@paulinejulien9191]

As someone coming from a European country where atheism is the norm and religion is the exception, I actually find this fascinating to watch.

[@TimeWillShell]

Thoughts from an independent Christian: Gentle reminder that Jesus was not an American and never identified with any political parties in His own time, please do not try to limit people’s access to God based on their party. Gentle reminder that we are called to identify first with Christ and that self-control is a gift of the Holy Spirit that has no expiration or limitation. Gentle reminder that you are loved fully by love. God is love by his very nature. Strive to love like Him first and seek His love above anything else.

[@aa-zq2fr]

agreed! in my opinion, neither party embodies christianity and we shouldn't expect them to. telling young christians they should be R/D to be "more christian" is a disservice, i hope to see more independent christians in politics :)

[@berkozkan3922]

That’s a fair point. US Christianity comes with freedom to act by default bc those are American vlaues

[@TimeWillShell]

​@@berkozkan3922 It's wonderful that living in America we have the freedom to live our faith without threat! However, true freedom comes from Christ, not the government and I want to respond to that freedom first. "So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." - John 8:36 "For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another." - Galatians 5:13

[@berkozkan3922]

@@TimeWillShell cool

[@AmeNgwako]

Amen

[@brisk362]

I love how respectful everyone was despite their differences. This was a really good one!

[@lvjonjon215]

YES 💯

[@madmike4061]

i do not agree. the conservatives were very disrespectful. their delivery was respectful, but you cannot believe someone is going to rot in hell based on how they were born and still be respectful.

[@xaxis9229]

I think it was respectful but Jason got super disrespectful at the end. It was kinda sad

[@CJan65]

@@xaxis9229 dude was being honest.

[@jltplease]

Respectful? The progressive christians were totally taking jabs

[@alyssagggghik]

The thing that kills me about the “trust God” with the high risk pregnancy is like you aren’t talking about spreading an idea within a Christian community you’re talking about enacting a law on an entire nation that has no national religion.

[@tinybubs6145]

Preach man

[@mengetidlamini1180]

I fully agree with this

[@brainwashedliberals]

It's like taking your hand off the wheel while driving and saying 'trust God'.

[@khanyitshangela642]

Thank you. At least somebody spoke the truth for once. Preach

[@lu-gc7gm]

this

[@shanereignz8662]

Jason was on point. I thought i was progressive until i heard this conversation. I disagreed with most if not all the statements. This was insightful and thought provoking❤

[@PreachTh3Truth]

Hello! I am a conservative Christian too! Two questions: how are you doing today? What points did you find yourself disagreeing with for either side?

[@TamiTribbiani-z8p]

Progressive Christians accept anything and everything in their church.

[@jerrypresley1234]

“So you allow historical context for some parts of the Bible, but not others, that’s not fair” is a quick sum up of a quote that was said in this video. So many Christians need to realize they do this all the time when they talk about the Bible.

[@Rosecloudlyrics]

It was a very uneducated response

[@unratutox1543]

@@Rosecloudlyrics How so? Christians use hermeneutics whenever they don't like the literal content of the bible and take the bible literally whenever it serves their biases. That's just arbitrary and Brenda is right to call that out.

[@rudymurillo9334]

Romans and 1 Corinthians transcend historical context. Paul is teaching Christian doctrines not helping people get through a phase.

[@lead6186]

@@rudymurillo9334 It's not a phase, fyi.

[@cassyvjlee5925]

@@rudymurillo9334 this is not isolated to matters of the LGBT. Historical context is often applied on some parts of the Bible and completely ignored in others. This has been my experience growing up as a PK

[@jamesselmer]

As a christian, I would just like to say thankyou for representing the spectrum of Christian belief in this video. Often on social media, Christians are portrayed in a very narrow way. So seeing this is refreshing

[@l.anii__]

yup! God bless btw

[@chynnadoll99]

Me 2 I’m Christian too!

[@xXlilmehakXx]

Yes 🙌🏼

[@evanicolesantos6734]

Totally

[@juliej8980]

@electric chair how do you know that? as represented in this video there are conservative christians but progressive christians with open minds exist

[@pradyundevarakonda6849]

Please make a Middle Ground video on Abrahamic Religions(like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) Vs Non- Abrahamic Religions(like Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism)

[@blakedegner1863]

Fantastic Idea but I disagree, the line is built for two sides of the same coin, where this is more two coins clashing, just to see them clash. Not trying to oppose, just my opinion!

[@isabelhoch3713]

*Judaism and yes I agree

[@kekbin1697]

Gonna be a bloodbath.

[@badtaco14]

Buddhism isn't usually considered a religion, Hindu/Sikhs are omnistic. Really what you're gonna be having here is a bunch of incredibly wise philosophical discussion, my guess is that if the Christian is progressive he will probably be open to thought. The only true clash is going to be between the Jewish (depending on which sect of Judaism it is) and the Islamic follower.

[@floritahhh]

i think they did that already? i might be wrong but i remember watching something like that

[@Ebunmatthews]

Wow, I think talks like this should be held often... It's beautiful to behold... It's so not aggressive, the answers came in softly, and gentle. And every bit of it came out nice. Thank you

[@ntsikangeleza8218]

The plot twist of the guy in the glasses coming out... Hectic

[@bluesolace9052]

Can't tell if I should be happy for him and celebrate him or be saddened with him and wish he came to terms with himself in a different manner

[@atlf3357]

It was so hard to watch

[@RawNoLimits]

Definitely was not expecting that

[@piggy5057]

I’m crying rn, he’s not accepting himself because of old scriptures that tell him how to live

[@risingdoom]

@@piggy5057 he chose to follow it so...

[@brandongray5043]

I will always believe that the main issue in the church right now (at least in America) is that they view the bible through their political views and not their political views through the bible. That is very apparent in this video from both sides.

[@emnoellenm]

THIS^^^^

[@tiffany7522]

I appreciate this comment soooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@JADiaz10]

Bruh I see that for conservatives but not progressives. Before I got into politics or knew what left or right was, I looked for whatever politician who seemed closest to Jesus based on their policies/morals. Bernie Sanders happened to be that guy. So I happen to lean left more often than not because I found my political views thru the Bible.

[@MBison-im2qy]

You need your brain checked. Liberals hate the Bible like a vampire to a cross.

[@brandongray5043]

@@MBison-im2qy I'll make sure to get my brain checked then based off your evidence that liberals are obviously vampires.

[@owenhasler7590]

“People who break the speed limit” Wait a damn minute...

[@drhemaword]

breaking the speed limit can't be compared to living in habitual sin.

[@PepsighCO]

I think it was a joke. Granted the bible does say just because we are christians we aren above the law (whether it means gods law or earthly law idk)

[@saturn915]

*Cue the gays can't drive jokes*

[@exploitation_restoration]

seems like billie eilish is bouta be in some hot water [for reference if you didnt get it billie was in an interview and stated she goes 120 on the freeway. F]

[@kamsav6750]

@@drhemaword I mean. It’s putting LIBES IN DANGER god said respect the government

[@shannonhaworth2098]

It is HARD watching people justify sin so blatantly 😢

[@kap849]

And so passionately too while claiming to be Christians 😭. It's heartbreaking.

[@evontheone]

tell me about it 🥲

[@ryanlindback9393]

It’s so sad.. pray for them..

[@VasatiBrown]

So true!!! They even twisted what the Bible says. Lol

[@PatrickThreewit]

"sin" is a word only in Christianity.

[@creamymarshmxllow2830]

I don’t want to be nice to others to avoid going to hell. I want to be nice to others because I genuinely want to be a decent human being.

[@honey-fo6ro]

Jesus wasn’t nice because He didn’t want to go to hell. He was nice because He was, indeed, genuinely a nice person who never did anything wrong to anybody. In fact, His kindness was just the tip of the iceberg. He was and is SO much more than that, so having faith is about so much more than just being nice.

[@yeehaw24]

You missed the point.... we can’t go to heaven just because we force ourselves to be nice. You have to genuinely want to do it. I didn’t help kids in 6th grade with suicide and cutting themselves to make me look good and take me to Heaven. I did it because I wanted them to go to Heaven. You missed something.

[@roguedaskill]

Sounds like you're a Christian then.

[@shomshomni2314]

But here's the thing it is not our works that lead us to heaven, it is our faith in Jesus Christ. Christians just do the works because God is working through us but Jesus has already done the work and paid for us to be a part of His family with His blood. We are saved by grace not by works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8

[@Miriam-xd6wp]

@@yeehaw24 people suffering from self harm will still go to heaven

[@mirelarujovic7058]

When they all started discussing verses it felt like some epic anime spell casting fight

[@alicemc1119]

this comment made my day

[@mirelarujovic7058]

@@alicemc1119 I'm glad 🥺❤

[@okl2211]

It was as looking at me+my friend against our jws friends. 🤣

[@moistapple]

For real like that’s dedication. That’s a great way to describe it😂👏

[@marialindell9874]

YES

[@juliacosta5472]

honestly some christians just choose the parts of the bible they want to believe. In both sides

[@jesusislord3050]

They shouldn’t

[@Ejiro__Kirishima]

I personally prefer the Christians that don’t explain hatespeech with the Bible.

[@beiimnida3266]

True. You really need to look for the right one and thank God I did

[@Keesha_Hardy]

@@Ejiro__Kirishima How are there hateful parts to the Bible?

[@christianlittle4303]

@@Ejiro__Kirishima um no if your a Christian you listen to all parts of the Bible not just what you want to here, being a Christian and not listening to the Bible would b Heresy

[@juliuspleaser4675]

The form of slavery referred to in The Bible wasn’t the kind you enter unwillingly. It was the last and only protection from destitution many people had. They often would suffer some misfortune and get hired for x amount of time until they were sorted. It was actually closer to a labor-based social protection program than chattel slavery.

[@christopherpearson2116]

You are, sadly... less than fully honest, in several respects, @juliuspleaser4675 . Many read, Leviticus 25:46... And do not come to the same conclusions that you do, on this topic so far. Same, for Exodus 21:20. Words like 'bequeath' and 'for life', begin to give some potential clues, for example.

[@Beefy_McWhatnow]

Yes, there were varying levels of slavery but people defaulting to debt slavery entered unwillingly. No one wants to go through that. The Romans also did have chattel slavery

[@smidvargthegreat9004]

regardless of what the other two guys in the comments are saying kudos to you for knowing that. I was wondering If anyone in this comments section would mention that. most people imagine the cotton fields when they hear the word slavery but that wasn't what the bible talks about at all.

[@shul6495]

Brenda is great at listening and then kindly, but firmly stating her case or rebutting others’ points. I hope I can be as effective of a communicator as her one day.

[@Josh-eh5kj]

she may be a good communicator but she made a lot of wrong remarks such as presenting the literal translation of the bible being used for segregation while the problem was the opposite "people using the bible for politics" which she is in support of. I am just stating good communication skill might be good but it means nothing with out a logically presented argument.

[@poocrayon4588]

Shes full of it. But she is an effective charlatan who knows what appeals to dopey young women (cos she is one) - Ill give her that.

[@christophersmith7850]

@@poocrayon4588 your name is “fart mouth dong dong” and you have the nerve to come for her legitimacy 💀

[@poocrayon4588]

@@christophersmith7850 Legitimacy has nothing to do with it, her arguments are just wrong and twist every legit conception of Christianity far beyond breaking point. Its like she became a woke liberal 1st then tried to think how to twist every aspect of Christianity to support that without a care for reality. Its clear her woke liberalism informs her Christianity and not the other way around. My name makes no difference Im not wrong - People mocked Jesus for saying he was the Son of God and preaching the word - they even killed him for it, they killed Paul for similar - they werent taken seriously but they were right - just like Im right about Brenda and you know it.

[@MartialArtsCat101]

@@poocrayon4588 every christian warps christianity to what their values are. Faith doesn’t inform character, it’s the other way around, no matter the political inclination. It’s impossible to reconcile abrahamic religions with modern day society. Otherwise one look at the old testament would go against everything both liberals and conservatives and everyone in between believe in. The most “legit conception” of christianity is not the version we preach today and there’s a reason for that - when was the last time you’ve seen someone living by the literal written values? Where God condoned slavery, concubinage, forced miscarriage for adulterers? Your point is moot.