Are All Cops Bastards? Police vs Criminals | Middle Ground

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0:01 intro
0:26 Cops should not carry guns
12:52 Police violence is blown out of proportion
21:52 Committing a crime is never justified
33:51 Criminals who commit violent felonies don't deserve certain legal rights
34:43 I fear the other side
43:47 Policing is necessary

[@jubilee]

So what are your thoughts on this prompt: Police violence is blown out of proportion. Let us know your thoughts down below 👇

[@BadaBadger]

It isn’t blown out. But this entire episode was both entertaining but felt VERY one sided.

[@devin3955]

It should not have been Cops vs. Criminals. It should’ve just been Cops vs. Citizens. Both these groups are going to have an obvious bias towards the other. Also, it’s more likely that the criminals will be less educated while the cops are more likely to be educated to a certain degree. The only ones I enjoyed from that side was Donna and Bonnie.

[@umaiar]

No, it's not blown out of proportion. Their purpose should be to keep people safe and be role models. Instead, when they commit violence they get protected, fired and re-employed at other departments, and on and on. As it stands now, their job is to lie, intimidate people into compliance, and run a razor thin line on the side of legality. Their job is, by definition, violence. And when they cross that line into illegal behavior, they should be humiliated and hung out to dry. Not protected.

[@MrWestopher]

Media corporations get huge amounts of money from over reporting and over dramatizing many issues, police violence being one of them. It’s as simple as that

[@llPhenomenonll]

yes and no. I can only speak of the things i see in Media since im from Germany and we dont have such Problems. I know many Europeans say that but: Its the Guns fault. Police has to be armed because every citizen can be aswell. How often have you done things like cussing at a loved one because youre in a bad mood? Its the same just aggrevated to way higher level. If you had no Guns you would have not that level of threat that criminals bring. Someone robs a cornerstore with a knife is way easier to take control of than a robber with a Gun. So Yes and No. Police is mad because colleagues getting murdered left and right but so are the communities if a loved one getting killed because some cop has a trigger finger. This chain of violence will not stop if the weapons are so easy to come by-

[@T-Man_865]

Criminals need to take accountability and bad cops need to be held accountable. Period

[@bohannonorr7665]

THIS.

[@ShifuCareaga]

you win the internet and Jubilee today. FINALLY, a smart comment.

[@Kekoa552]

I hate how criminals justify that there shouldn’t be no punishment as well as cops THEY ALL NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE

[@ejwillison2001]

PREACH IT BROTHA!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Diamond-ox9bd]

exactly

[@teeradacka]

The fact that all of the women in the room were raped is horrifying..

[@stpeta17]

@@aClownBaby- sexual harassment is not the same as experiencing a rape though. I would say they are completely different. One is more traumatizing than the other.

[@idab6864]

I know more women who have been raped than I know women who haven't, if that tells you anything

[@anthonymc8361]

OR, not undermining the seriousness of rape, but it could be what they claimed to happen. These days the word rape and assault is just too cheap for me personally.

[@tiffanimcmillian3058]

​@Anthony MC thats kinda fd up. U can tell they werent lying nd 99 percent of ppl dnt lie abt being raped

[@lead6186]

​@@anthonymc8361 excuse me??? Are you for real???

[@neonpyre7469]

I got arrested for nothing, so I refused to answer, but I was doing drugs tho lol what

[@jbucksaduck]

"I WAS ARRESTED FOR NO REASON, COPS BAD"

[@averagezyzzenjoyer5630]

He was arrested for smoking weed. You should try to help that kid and not treat him like a dangerous criminal and abuse him . Yall are confused af

[@neonpyre7469]

@averagezyzzenjoyer5630 you seem to be the one confused blud, I'm just pointing out how slow the guy seems to be with his contradicting statements, don't tell me you're slow too?

[@jbucksaduck]

@@averagezyzzenjoyer5630 Found the criminal.

[@chinBTT]

@@neonpyre7469 dw hes in every reply defending the ignorant mf, hes probaly his brother or smth.

[@djap500]

I feel like the ‘criminals’ didn’t know they agreed that police violence is blown out of proportion😂

[@pendragon7600]

And then they didn't seem to understand the next question either. Like the question was is crime ever justifiable. Idek what they were talking about, it had nothing to do with the question.

[@RakinHoda-yl5es]

@@pendragon7600 Like bro i just watched the first 5 minutes the guy just pointed out civilians owning guns as defense for school shootings so lil bro was saying civilians should have guns but not cops?

[@emmygoldman1065]

I’d LOVE to see an American cops vs Other developed nations’ cops. That’s a conversation that really needs to be addressed bc it is NOT the same here.

[@JeyC_]

Not the same by how?

[@jubilee]

This would be interesting!

[@nicholasm4013]

@@JeyC_ because American cops abuse their power

[@cammymaya3516]

This 100% needs to happen

[@smashrosa8111]

Yeah that could be an intersting conversation because there is a big shift between American police officers and those who aren't.

[@darrenashjames]

Charlie was too immature and too uneducated for a conversation like this but he is an example of the type of people police deal with.

[@keilanscott1098]

No police just suck

[@iplayCoDandBF]

Charlie has a lot of anger and trauma and he's still pretty young. I know you wouldn't get it, Darren.

[@darrenashjames]

@@iplayCoDandBF I've been through plenty of trauma, I just don't live my life as a victim.

[@iplayCoDandBF]

@@darrenashjames yea dude you tell those minorities to just get over it!

[@iplayCoDandBF]

@@darrenashjames whole lot of cooning in this comment section lmao

[@yarioi]

Charlie is extremely unintelligent, and shows how frustrating he is. He just admitted he didn’t serve that much time as the others. I understand how you think cops are all bad people and I used to think that. I’m a criminal Justice major to become a detective and I believe that not all cops are bad. I used to not believe that. They have their own stories, they have their own opinions about cops but if love for these “felons” to actually sit down and have a long conversation with a cop. Truly.

[@ericasvlogs]

holy crap the amount of times the criminals kept interupting the police officers☠☠

[@yarioi]

Ikr, it’s so sad bc they don’t actually care what they say. The criminals have their own projections and hatred and aren’t open to hearing them out.

[@yoonbum4877]

@@yarioiwho do you think gave them those experiences

[@jonathanlopez9401]

​@@yoonbum4877that's not an excuse for them to interrupt them consistently like huh. Both sides have traumas. Their in a well structured area to discuss appropriately. If they have to interrupt rather than listen first then respond, we'll maybe they shouldn't be here if they can't handle this complex discussion.

[@yakzivz1104]

@@yoonbum4877 they did it to themselves. it is not that hard to not break the law.

[@gabeross515]

@@yoonbum4877like getting arrested?

[@user-ne5fz2jo3m]

Uvalde was a TERRIBLE example on the cops behalf considering those cops had guns and still waited outside while children died

[@heathertea2704]

FACTS!!!

[@marioanddj]

but yea Uvalde's response was terrible

[@dsong2006]

what is the probability that #1 there is a civilian or multiple civilians with a gun, #2 he has the balls and the weapon capable of neutralizing the threat and #3 he has the training required to take this threat out without any collateral damage? I agree a lot police departments have handled similar situations horribly, but I still think the odds of ending these type of situations with the least number of casualties is higher when the police show up. Lets get out of emotions and try to rationalize this and rely more on data

[@paradigm7582]

True that was something he clearly didn't consider

[@siiiiiuu7]

Yeah, I get the point he was trying to make. Cops obviously need to be armed around dangerous individuals, but such a bad example to use.

[@beefy45]

How does Jubilee manage to always find someone that is insufferable

[@nexusoflife]

They do it on purpose to create drama and drive up views.

[@alcoholicbunny2649]

Nahhh this guy hella different. I could sit through and still listen to an insufferable person but he’s on another level. Omg it crazyyyy. I’m so ready to say everything that happened to him and well deserved and like I’m getting physically upset and it’s bad that I feel this way for a person in a video on the internet. But omg it ridiculous

[@91toinfinity]

They do it on purpose to rile up emotions

[@Corekidbeenybunny]

Which person?

[@anna-blinks]

@@Corekidbeenybunny Charlie

[@eggtotheroll]

Charlie is one smooth-brained individual. He should continue to stare at his road flares that he loved to mention so much.

[@Michael-fl4wb]

😂😂😂

[@AstronautFilms]

I genuinely thought I was gonna have a stroke everytime he opened his mouth

[@trantorthetroll8768]

I’d say all of the convict side lacked brain cells

[@bbrriaaanna]

@@trantorthetroll8768 how...???

[@JTheraos]

​@@trantorthetroll8768the black woman was smart, she just intentionally argued using emotional responses rather than logic. Everyone else on that side had an IQ less than 80.

[@dandnoutdoors3778]

These ex convicts are delusional

[@swagdonor2357]

Especially Charlie. Probably an illegal

[@throwaway2052]

i think no matter what side anyone is on, we can all agree this conversation was monitored poorly.

[@TheStepmonkey]

What side?? You think anyone should support criminals? That's disgusting...

[@mesg4]

No it wasn't. Just because one side disagreed/was offended by prompts and hard conversations doesn't mean it was monitored poorly.

[@iceywolf1]

​@TheStepmonkey What side? You think anyone should support cops? That's disgusting

[@nataliahall236]

@@TheStepmonkey i support criminals

[@lickmyloafbruh]

@@iceywolf1I like criminals, they liberate us

[@lexibrowning7447]

Charlie is.... something. "If my daughter gets kidnapped, I'm not calling the police. I'm going to try to find her myself." As a daughter, please, dads, call the police if we get kidnapped.

[@Andrina-fl9ef]

Yeah, everyone hates on cops until they need them.

[@ariestorres6713]

Yeah he seemed very traumatized, understandably so- but I think he was talking more out of emotion than anything else. Especially saying he was addicted to the news, seeing as the news is geared and targeted to run one specific narrative. (I'm not with or against cops, just something I noticed about Charlie's narrative)

[@akutenshi6946]

Call the cops just for the sake of documenting everything, still go look for your daughter yourself

[@ricotrejo4125]

For sure my thought, even though I can understand some of what he said, I mean I'm pretty sure that the situation you should call a cop

[@lalaadams8487]

Yeah, Charlie was trippin' ha

[@legendary8838]

As a former officer myself it’s clear some of these people need to go on a ride along with their cities department to get a first hand view of how it really is. Taser’s, pepper spray isn’t always effective. And calling for back up can take minutes to arrive no matter how fast they drive and other countries don’t have the same level violence as here. Criminals will always find a way to get a gun so officers have to match the level of force against them

[@jslaughterofthesoul4939]

Don't need a ridealong, we actually live in our cities and we know what goes on. Civilians stop far more incidents than 🐷s

[@legendary8838]

@@jslaughterofthesoul4939 then why are cops called if civilians stop more crime??? Civilians tend to not get involved because they don’t want to get themselves hurt or get retaliated against. Maybe here in Texas I can see civilians attempting to stop certain crimes because you never know what citizen is armed because you don’t need a license to conceal carry

[@ZzzZ-sb9ju]

The black cop was so mean. “Not me just because it happened to you and other people but I don’t do it so it’s not valid.”

[@Justin-ly9zw]

“I’m answering the valid points validly”

[@swagdonor2357]

What a smart guy

[@DijonDonuts]

Charlie is the epitome of why ex-convicts get a bad rep. He's ignorant, rude, and refuses to act like a civilian even in a setting where he isn't under distress or threat.

[@bigtomDW]

Low IQ, hes just not that bright

[@austin5950]

okay cat boy 😂

[@DijonDonuts]

@@austin5950Yes I do in fact like cats.

[@MC_Smuv]

Imagine yourself in a room with 4 people who represent a type of people that have wrongfully made your life hard hundreds, if not thousands, of times and then type that ignorant & rude comment again 😉

[@HoangNguyen-hv1qy]

​@@MC_SmuvCops make life hard for criminals.. 😂

[@bradc9012]

scar's life seemed like a sad result of racism and police abuse in previous eras, while charle's sad life a result of idiocy and bad decisions.

[@skty1]

ong

[@jennifermcmillan9518]

I know. I just want to hug him.

[@tristandimitrijev3195]

Bad culture up briging that led to cops to suspect on him, he sad becasue there is crime, if there were no crime, plice would have to be so harsh.Stop supporting you bro criminal.that is the message

[@littledonut6994]

More like he started in the hood and didn’t chance who he hangs around.

[@whythissucks829]

hopefully he doesnt have children

[@Colt-xi3pe]

The convicts play victim, but they lost those rights for a reason

[@CptInsano835]

Exactly, I wonder what their crimes were and if there are victims how empathetic they are to their victims compared to themselves.

[@user-kb5wd2ds7n]

As an ex Police officer from the UK who only carried a taser. I didn't feel like I needed a firearm, as we have specialised units and back up was very close. However, If I had worked in America, 100% I would require a firearm. I've been in some incredibly dangerous positions but luckily the suspect was not carrying a firearm and I could deal with the situation with the resources that I had. However, a suspect armed with a firearm is a very different situation.

[@senor834]

What do you think about the amount of stuff cops get away with in the US?

[@Gracelyn-bs2kn]

@@senor834speak on the specific amount of cops not generalised category of all cops

[@xanieyd1985]

After hearing Charlie talk about the car scenario, I'm convinced that all his local cops know him and his history

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

They probably popped popcorn and had a watch party at the station to hear Charlie finally get his shot to say his piece.

[@tristandimitrijev3195]

the havaiian girl also

[@beardedbros7215]

My town has a family called the Seelingers. Meth family, domestic abuse, theft, assault. They’re known for causing trouble and being all around unrepentant and violent. No one I know has any sympathy for them. With a criminal record as long as that family’s, it’s hard to even want to have sympathy.

[@quincyking010]

my guess is that he is a habitual law breaker who is in the station every week based on his behavior and context from what he said

[@davidpatterson3614]

The fact he absolutely refused to let the cop say anything shows there will never be a interaction that would be non confrontational.

[@bryanzoom97]

It was very clear that all the ex felons were severely traumatized it definitely felt like a third group was needed like maybe a non-criminal perspective

[@elianamazurr.5722]

If Jubilee has any money from this they should put it where their mouth is and put it towards organizations trying to heal this trauma and end police violence.

[@monithebarbie]

I am a non criminal and have the same perspective of the criminal side

[@byrontownsel7274]

@@monithebarbie Cops shouldn’t have guns? You’re not to bright are you?

[@ericsanchez7005]

@@byrontownsel7274 u never heard of non lethal guns

[@MsRuntz]

Most definitely, these are people who spent years in prisons and jails which at the bare minimum is severely traumatizing, whether you did something or not. They spoke about what the police did to them when they weren't even committing crimes! The police officers can sympathize with the convicts but definitely cannot empathize.

[@steelasura]

Convicts will talk all day about how they were wronged, dont hear any of those prof victims owning their crimes

[@adonaimorton6782]

"I'm a sweet person"... Jailed for selling hard drugs to the community lol

[@DanielPotter311]

So you think that criminals aren't able to be sweet, kind people?

[@KoreyBumble]

@@DanielPotter311 No not really.

[@Henry-sd7vd]

@@DanielPotter311 If you're selling hard drugs? I dont think so lol

[@David-ol6zj]

​@@Henry-sd7vd Doctors are some of the nicest people

[@bbrriaaanna]

jailed for hustling and selling drugs to people that payed nd asked for the drugs... thats those own peoples fault ... he needed the money u dont know his situation.

[@HopeWren]

Respectfully the moderator failed this middle ground. So much interrupting and talking over that had it been dealt with would’ve added to a much more helpful middle ground 😔

[@aguy9071]

She was scared because there was a lot of tension and power in that room.

[@Artliker1234]

@@aguy9071 oh brother no 😂 she doesn't usually interrupt

[@chaeryeong991]

@@cedricdavis513 what does this gotta do with gender……. yall always bring gender into places where it doesnt fit

[@fantasy-91]

@@cedricdavis513 ???????????

[@debwilson1436]

@@cedricdavis513 please expand what you mean. Typical woman to this comment means nothing

[@TheMusic2007]

Charlie is a prime example of what nonsense cops deal with.

[@ds82wrestling]

Charlie is almost certainly guilty and triggered. Who wants to bet when he was stopped by a cop it was because he had committed a crime?

[@speclt]

I don’t get it.

[@volslover1504]

Charlie has been brainwashed over time. It's easy to see. You can tell him that he has been programmed.

[@empiretradingacademy3866]

100%

[@thegrabbindragon9834]

Charlie is a clown . He’s probably the type to have a gun while telling the cops not to have a gun.

[@user-im2nv9tj7q]

No accountability by the criminals at all

[@David-ol6zj]

Or the other side

[@bigSpidermanfan]

@@David-ol6zjhow so

[@lucasgeton9546]

@@David-ol6zjjust a false statement, did you watch the video like at all?

[@ZzzZ-sb9ju]

The black cop was so mean. “Not me just because it happened to you and other people but I don’t do it so it’s not valid.”

[@THOMPSON8787]

They suffer from the toxic victim mindset which plagues our society today..They are short-sighted and have no idea of how the world really functions..They live in a small selfish bubble and love to point fingers and blame everyone else for their willful ignorance and outright stupidity.. Btw I have done 7 years in prison and have seen both sides..

[@jxflem5588]

Donna has a very calm voice.i like when she talk they all just listen.its a healing calm voice she has a lot to give.

[@ambertornatore6362]

I actually thought she was the host

[@dani_i8942]

Too bad she spoke nonsense. Her saying policing criminals = slavery was wild.

[@mattbudesa6351]

No she doesn't. She speaks a bunch of nonsense.

[@lauragarza6295]

She’s a healer. She has healing energy and I love that for her ♥️

[@THOMPSON8787]

She has a toxic victim mindset...which inherently carries a degree of racism and prejudice in it...and she has extremely narcissistic traits..Every single prompt she had to bring back to her situation..Lady..The world doesn't revolve around you..The world isn't a fair place and no one owes you understanding..We have to stop coddling this victim mindset..

[@edwardgraftonhilliii7270]

Charlie has got to be the most insufferable, childish, ignorant person. He is so comfortable accusing those cops who wanted to have a genuine conversation, as if they did wrong to him personally. It was really frustrating to see how respectful these cops were, while these people just treated them so poorly.

[@Ryzan562]

He’s a professional victim.

[@nathanhale9389]

Just because he smoke weed at 13. Like dawg your 13. Now getting punched in the chest is extreme but the cop knew you weren’t gonna speak up. But that’s your own fault for not speaking up after while in court or the many of times you’ve talked to your family or lawyer.

[@averagezyzzenjoyer5630]

Hes obviously deeply taumatised.

[@diegomontoya172]

@@averagezyzzenjoyer5630 nah just a division 1 victim

[@averagezyzzenjoyer5630]

@@diegomontoya172 your a child you've got no idea.

[@QueensNYgirlie1988]

It's crazy how it took Scar to say he's done filming for them to stop talking over eachother. It calmed down so much after that.

[@dani09eveline]

He didn’t want to continue because the questions were confusing him. And they’re calm because they went on a smoke break

[@Ayveh]

Seriously Jubilee did SUCH A HORRIBLE job in handling this video. They didn't step it and tell them to shut it and let the other side speak.

[@tashboog5458]

@@dani09eveline yea confusion is not what he said, beloved. Replay that part.

[@turnbasedtoddy7664]

Alot of the questions are filmed out of order so you may be wrong

[@drew9453]

@@turnbasedtoddy7664 I don't think it necessarily matters what order they filmed... the fact of the matter is that AT SOME POINT... Scar was irritated with the questions and how the conversations were being moderated. Plus, I don't even believe that it was actually filmed out of order and you're just saying how you think EVERY production operates. The types of questions that were asked and the order that they are in make PERFECT sense as to why they would have actually asked them in the order that they are in the video. Plus, if you really pay attention, there are a lot of moments that people bring up ideas that were spoken about in previous prompts. For example... the fact that they kept bringing up the women having been sexually assaulted. If the prompts were in a different order, they wouldn't have known that the women had those experiences or brought them up later in the video if they were out of order. Not to mention... they wouldn't have even PUT that clip of him saying he didn't want to continue if it wasn't being filmed in progressive order of the video. What would be the point?

[@FlyingGuillotine]

$1000 says all 4 of these convicts are far more naturally hostile in interactions with cops than they let on.

[@lilsaint776]

100% lol

[@user-sx4ky1mt6z]

Scumbags for sure

[@VGMO17]

$2000 that they're aggressive against normal civilians, because they have to feel tough

[@ItsMeDee3]

I can see why Charlie is an ex-con. He is really childish and his conversation with everyone there is ignorant. He’ll be back in jail

[@agentcodydanks]

Facts

[@jojocottrell0487]

Its honestly sad how him and many others dont see how these 4 cops shouldn’t be generalized with all the bad ones, just as how the ex-felons shouldn’t be generalized with being bad people

[@hayesp0706]

charlie the type of person to still argue even when he knows he’s wrong

[@Ian-uo2mj]

the type of person? He IS the exact person. That's all he did the entire episode

[@samisugarcube]

@@Ian-uo2mj he was irritating me... ugh

[@Daniel-ye6cl]

BRO I hated him what an ignorant mf.

[@UndeadD0ctor]

@@samisugarcube I just started this video and I’m about 2 mins in. I’m gonna reply on my opinions on that guy after I’m done

[@catxj9]

Dan I don’t see Abby in the comments 😂😂

[@charlesreed7663]

Charlie judging everyone and not respecting people’s opinion but expects everyone to give him respect and not get judged. He drives me crazy

[@badandboujee4087]

He also looks like his breath stank

[@-----GOD-----]

How virtuous these criminals are. They have all the answers.

[@ilovemountains21]

And that’s the problem. He was so juvenile!! Still angry at the world instead of looking in. He was so cringe.

[@jamesreagan8175]

​@@-----GOD----- To say nothing about the police; upholding a system which seeks punishment over rehabilitation makes you a dishonest coward when your slogan is to "serve and protect"

[@candaceewell9582]

As soon as Marlon was questioned he got upset... should not be a cop anywhere

[@SparcReviews]

"Cops shouldn't be armed!" And you should be?

[@funkunko]

no they shouldn’t be either… tf is your point

[@leokashung3743]

​@@funkunkobut all American criminal have a gun so its would be foolish not to carry one as a cop

[@danielguizar8162]

Bottom line is.... DONT DO CRIMES!

[@RBubbles202]

Hey Jubilee. This type of discussion needs a facilitator. This conversation was so important and could have been so much more effective with a strong facilitator directing the discussion. Thank you to each side for being vulnerable and sharing their experiences.

[@jeangarcia6432]

Lol the guy in the blue jacket cant stop being a cop for 2 mins and it shows from 53:40 forward this was perfect it shows that cops ain't shet and that's what slot of people don't like about it they were hoping it would show something else😂

[@troyd.8718]

I understand your reasoning for more facilitation but what I like about MG, is that they allow people to navigate through the tough conversations themselves. Even if the conversation “fails” so to speak, you still see a lot of truth in those moments.

[@benjaminasmus3980]

​@@troyd.8718 Nah they need someone to moderate straight up lies and and all the interrupting

[@damowater2962]

The cops were disingenuous

[@johnilyemson]

They don't give a fck how their content impacts the lives of people as long as it gets clicks.

[@Naxatthedoor]

Not only does Charlie think a person with a badge shouldn’t ask him a single question but apparently he also thinks he’s Batman

[@hueykraymond]

😂😂😂

[@Oggg963]

The Fifth Amendmen imbecile coward 😂

[@peestrem31]

yeah or the guy from Taken

[@meekysenpai]

😂😂😂 he’s a character. Most of those “sovereign” citizens act like that too. As funny as it is, it’s really sad that an adult can CHOOSE to be like that.

[@Naxatthedoor]

@@peestrem31 unfortunately for him, he’s neither a billionaire or an ex CIA agent 😂

[@allidgaf]

“can we take a smoke break then” shes so real for that 😭

[@ConnorCutt]

They say that the average IQ of a criminal is much lower than that of a regular person and you can really see it here

[@jordanmcmullen8454]

Where do you get these statistics from..Donna seems intelligent. Surely more intelligent then you

[@diogofs25]

​@@jordanmcmullen8454you sure seem to understand statistics

[@Car_Mo]

I think that might be part of the explanation, butt not the full explanation. A typical IQ-test measure the ability to see patterns and understand complexity. Criminals tend to fail to recognize bad situations, control impulses and fail to see or ignore long- and short term consequences before making poor decisions. That's also why there are plenty of high IQ criminals. Even knowing the consequences, they fail to recognize or just ignore the signs of a bad situation. Ego gets more people arrested than ignorance.

[@Chubbynoodle-cz2nt]

@@jordanmcmullen8454well first of all, believe it or not, statistics don’t represent the whole. Also she isnt a “criminal” she was just convicted of something she didn’t do.

[@theforgottenone666]

I think we can all agree that Charlie is the only dude there not ready to talk about and make a change. Dudes part of the problem.

[@akosnemeth]

I felt the same sometimes with Scar.

[@whythissucks829]

hes not part of the problem, he IS the problem. IQ of a banana.

[@shawnrutherford8523]

@@akosnemeth and Bonnie

[@PunoBendito]

Every convict but Donna was a waste of a spot in this conversation

[@juancoronado3736]

@@PunoBenditofor sure, Donna is the only one who bothered to listen to a different point of view

[@camilenauta5816]

when the participants are asking for moderation because they can't get a word out and try to leave because of how hostile everything has become, that's how you know it's gone too far. when the premise of the show begins with two groups at odds with one another-- and especially this episode since you're already starting with a power dynamic, there really needs to be more active moderation and intention behind the prompts/production imo

[@jordandudley8040]

Absolutely agree with you, Camile. This conversation needed a lot more consideration bc it’s too intense of a debate.

[@QRSTUVe]

Brilliant, well said.

[@samferrell7757]

No he tried to leave because he's not educated enough for the debate "I'm trying to get my point across that fck the police you know what I mean" very sophisticated perspective.

[@harushdesign]

So more policing. Got it.

[@danliness5455]

It's funny cause the person complaining that they couldn't get a word in was constantly cutting people off mid-sentence to get his own word in, like the video was only about him and his experiences.

[@lf8893]

when bonnie said her crime was not justifiable about 26 minutes in. I got major respect for that woman because it sounds like she took 100% responsibility for her actions and did not justify them. from what I can tell, she was a drug dealer, and she did it because she was hungry, but she was taking accountability for it knowing there was another way for her to make that money and that she didn't have to be a drug dealer. but then the cops go on and try to justify the crimes for her, yeah, they said they would still punish her, but it sounds like the cops do more mental gymnastics to justify crimes than Bonnie, the convicted felon. She 100 % took accountability and didn't make excuses for herself. What a Woman!!!

[@MargaretCutt-um8iq]

yet Bonnie was talking about her distrust of police that she had interactions with throughout the country... .sorry...she made her mistake and went to jail........and learned nothing and continued to commit crimes all over. smh.

[@MikeyScott5C]

That Cop is a fool to keep bringing up Uvalde. The police did nothing, but stood there like some cowards.

[@G59forlife.]

Yeah it’s a bad example but no way you seriously said “fool” ☠️

[@G59forlife.]

Is bro in the 1700s?

[@bradf9977]

They should be charged!!!

[@jerbsherb4391]

LMAO that's what I thought too. Those cops had the weapons and acted like complete cowards. They even stopped one of the cops who wanted to go into the room since his wife was a teacher.

[@oklywright8886]

@@bradf9977there’s an extremely high probability that you wouldn’t have done anything differently in their position. The overwhelming majority of our society nowadays are inherently cowardice. Which is exactly why you should have the utmost respect for the brave police who willingly put their lives on the line every single day.

[@nambia2659]

Scar tried to speak his points and opinions on each question and was continuously spoken over. Jubilee needs to step up more rather than letting people babble or ignore each other..

[@TheStepmonkey]

Scar is a moron

[@lizard8694]

There was one cop didn't even speak at all, did he?

[@imHim710]

​@@lizard8694 he did but barely a few sentences

[@_rufio116]

@@imHim710 yea because scar was going off every time unlike how this original comment tried to claim

[@rickyjoe3709]

nahh cus its cops, they dont want other people habing power over them so they talk over each other, ITS ALL ABOUT POWER TRIP

[@hankt51]

I can see why Charlie would have bad experiences with anyone. At around 29:50 when Marlon is trying to explain what he would have done Charlie keeps interrupting him, talking over him, and generally being disrespectful. Charlie was able to go through his whole broke-down car, flat tire scenario but wouldn't even let Marlon respond. Jubilee needs to do a better job of allowing the other side to respond. Respect goes both ways regardless of who you are talking to.

[@ds82wrestling]

I'm sure his interactions went the same way with the cops he encountered on the streets, too.

[@johngorman1219]

Their attitudes obviously led them in to their incarceration.

[@cristianfilmz24]

@@ds82wrestlingthese specific cops weren’t the ones who mishandled this gentlemen. Yet he still disrespects, interrupts and rejects to even listen to the other side. How can he want to reach middle ground(I hope everyone is) if he doesn’t even want to listen to the other side?

[@ds82wrestling]

@@cristianfilmz24 I 100% agree. That's what I am saying, he is hostile here, I am sure he was hostile to any officers on the street as well. Probably even more so.

[@gosarcasm]

bro literally made the whole story up lmao

[@mrbald9537]

All the convicts just comes off as bitter for their crimes

[@TheonlyKirindaMarie]

Time stamp 27:59 this literally happened to me years ago. I was on the phone waiting for help I got out the car walking towards the back of my car and a female cop yelled “GET TF BACK, I DONT PLAY THAT SH*+!” I was so confused and upset. I didn’t do anything I had my young child in the car. There’s no denying that POC face major implicit bias when cops deal with them.

[@Fjdhskskjd]

🙄 people are going to handle varying situations differently, this thing that happened to you ONE TIME is not indicative of the rest of the cops and how they handle situations/POC

[@ATMR34]

​@@Fjdhskskjdbut that one time had a chance to turn south, which has happened, I believe that everything can be fixed more if immunity is taken out. Then the police can think and take better desicion.

[@kylespevak6781]

Weird cause there's a lot of cops of color 😂

[@daniel-san7]

Wild AF that Charlie interrupted Marlon over and over again causing him to be visibly frustrated and instead of checking Charlie, the ex-cons started telling Marlon that he needs to stay calm. The lack of self-awareness and accountability is appalling

[@aergia.anergia]

Charlie is the reason why things escalate without needing it to be

[@allupelailee]

gaslighting at its finest

[@manassehdouglas5968]

I mean the way i see it the ex convicts all did things to land them up in prison. These people obviously have some problems and you can visibly see this manifest throughout the video. The guy walking out, charlie i mean like seriously

[@blake3445]

This is valid. Charlie 100% was being an a**hole. In the same breath, this is a profession that Requires a great deal of patience. And if you can’t manage it, it’s truly not the role for you.

[@tima5033]

That jabroni is seriously bringing up Uvalde as an example of needing police?! They wouldn’t go inside to help and stopped parents from going in and helping. Absolutely embarrassing

[@kyraivy3737]

THAT GIRL SAYING HE NEEDED TO HAVE MORE PATIENCE AFTER GETTING INTERRUPTED SEVERAL TIMES AFTER LETTING THE OTHER GUY SAY EVERYTHING HE NEEDED TO SAY SENT ME OVER THE EDGE

[@hopxfu1657]

istg charlie interrupting the cop being respectful made me so mad. like shush

[@72horses75]

Jubilee literally encouraged it to!! they never intervened when he talked over him for a SOLID MINUTE, they only intervene when he points out that he wants an actual debate setting where he can TALK. EVEN THEN THEY LET CHARLIE CREATE AN ENTIRE ESSAY AND THEN SILENCE THE COP AND TELL HIM TO WAIT HIS TURN WHEN HE TRIES TO INTERJECT. not only THAT but they had the gal to move onto the next question ebfore even letting him finish. They handled this HORRIBLY, shame on jubilee.

[@Frosty-Jacket]

​@@72horses75 I've noticed @jubilee does this semi-often from the videos I've seen. They're trying to virtue signaling and it's super obvious to anyone with an above room temp. I.Q.

[@user-mv4md6or7x]

Yes and no. He was getting hot and her point was look see

[@MoeGoe-xt3en]

​@@hopxfu1657Can you tag the timeline please.

[@valentinademonte437]

I hate the fact that the cops tried to be understanding but the other just wanted to join this discussion to share their hate for them. They didnt try at all to understand their points or validate their points. They r living in their bubble and dont wanna see another perspective then theirs because they need someone to blame their problems on.

[@lanceybarra3010]

Go to European countries aside from the UK and their cops literally walk around with mp5’s and mp7’s just in case

[@xgfreedom]

As a Korean living in the states, ex convicts not wanting cops to handle firearm using other countries where cops do not carry guns while respecting 2nd amendments baffles me. Yes, cops from my home country does not carry firearms but that is because we DO NOT have firearm incidents. However, in the states cops do not have that luxury.

[@ThisIsMyAlt0]

For real. We've had school shootings 28 times out of the 36 weeks we've had this year. Prohibiting cops from lethal force against someone actively firing with thousands of targets is insanity. I've had 2 friends this year who've been in school shootings and they're alive because of cops with firearms.

[@leia7190]

Thats why America needs to implement strict gun laws.

[@jamesreagan8175]

"You need guns to combat guns" then get rid of the guns and you won't have that problem. The most popular argument against this (the black market) is silly as the black market exists all over the world and yet somehow there are no where near as many school shootings anywhere else in the western world than America, where guns seem to be basically handed out to its citizens. Why are there so many mass shootings?

[@rickmin3566]

Cops in S. Korea do carry guns. They carry modified .38 revolvers. But are not as equipped as American Police officers.

[@xgfreedom]

@@rickmin3566 They are allowed to but most of the times they do not except for the special occasions.

[@hikarichoichiro5557]

If you told me that Charlie's just playing, that he's just an actor, I would have believed you. Dude's straight up detached from the society.

[@Unpolarised]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’m not trying to be insensitive but he’s either a complete moron or a plant from the producers

[@theescapistpoet]

He's got victim mentality

[@aergia.anergia]

He legit was pissing me off

[@Anti-feminist87]

Some people don't want to listen. They just want you to hear their "truth". It gets us no where.

[@bedlfit2198]

Charlie is on the criminal panel for a reason… dude needs to wake up.

[@Mimi-girl]

So officers without guns but the whole population with guns?? That’s crazy!

[@funkunko]

no one should have guns PERIOD. that’s the entire point.

[@hiyahoro1467]

Wild I actually watched this whole thing not realizing it was an hr of my life gone...but a hr that was very thoughtful, full of great all around debating into common ground understanding and acceptance of change, and each of their own noting this positive accounts of change for everyone for a more peaceful future and adapt in comprehending REAL feelings and REAL scenarios that makes one stop and ponder "we need a positive outcome when it comes to protecting the peace"

[@LuZu_]

Next time, Jubilee, intervene and show authority if you’re hosting a debate. There’s a difference between letting a feud resolve itself and letting someone take something completely off base/take over the topic.

[@rainydayspecialinjuly]

agree.

[@TwoGirlsOneMacBook]

100% agree! I usually enjoy jubilee videos but this one missed the mark completely as far as handling the interviewees and making sure everyone had a chance to speak

[@87enoughBULL]

I couldn't finish watching this video. It was THAT bad.

[@hollow9846]

No, I enjoy the unfiltered discussions being taken. Middle ground used to be heavily edited, people have requested for this as it's counter-intuitive to edit/intervene in a discussion meant to show both sides.

[@GothicTonic]

I agree. If you, as a youtube channel, put together these debates, you have the responsibility to manage when someone interrupts someone else to the point where they cannot get their thoughts across. I swear, lately, I've felt that people like Charlie get away with these things in middle ground whereas in episodes before, it wasn't like this. I don't care who you are, everyone deserves a turn to speak, that's just human decency. Please guys, this is a great concept, I can't sit here and watch how people just don't have respect for other people's thoughts and views where they don't even allow them to speak. It's truly a miserable viewing experience.

[@LudlowSRK]

Charlie the type of guy to rob someone and then wonder why he's going to jail.

[@jake.porter]

he’s the type of person to rob someone, get caught, and blame the person he just jacked because they just happened to be there

[@LudlowSRK]

@@jake.porter Fact

[@faustianfellaheen]

Welcome to the progressive utopia

[@Zachary_Pacheco]

That’s a fact lol

[@isaacquesada6248]

Nah facts

[@shaungandy2287]

He wants VENGEANCE not justice. BIG DIFFERENCE

[@kurly5338]

I personally love how every convict immediately started off by talking about their trauma and just playing on it the whole time

[@viccigraham]

I found it interesting that the convicts say they judge all cops with the same mistrust as they have learned from previous encounters while also thinking no cop should judge any of them with the same mistrust they have learned from previous encounters.

[@vodking]

Yep

[@MC_Smuv]

It's their job to be neutral!! They get paid for that!! The other side is in no way bound to any kind of neutrality towards the cops. Especially with all they've been through.

[@EMMAMUNOZ-id1bg]

@@MC_Smuv What do you mean by neutrality?

[@comosellama548]

I empathize traumas of ex-convicts with the system and bad cops, but with their logic of generalizing, basically stereotypes of all isms like racism, sexism, ageism would be justified💔❤️‍🩹

[@jan-3356]

@@EMMAMUNOZ-id1bg he means that it's the cops' job to ensure the safety and protect the people, not assume every one of them walking around is a threat that needs to be intimidated and yelled at or need have a gun pointed at their heads. It's not the civillian's job to do anything, they can assume all they want about cops but cops have certain responsibilities in place, often ones they break and don't get punished for. all of these people in the comments are promoting tyranny and are blind in how justice works.

[@toajay1816]

This was tough to watch primarily because charlie was so absolutely closed minded it was hard to really reach any sort of middle ground when ever he put his two cents in

[@cscollecting5131]

wasn't any single persons fault

[@10101funday]

Sometimes there isn't going to be a middle ground and that is okay

[@anmahek]

Sounds like he's really hurt, and it seems to me he first needs empathy before he can empathize with others.

[@raw_oyster]

I enjoyed hearing his perspective and experience

[@jackthomas6952]

He’s another in a long line of idiots with no acknowledgement of personal responsibility

[@brittanyrosebeauty]

Every woman in that group confessed about being sexually abused. THAT is a problem that needs to be addressed and a heavy topic to discuss. Praying for healing and strength to all.

[@ozziecamacho5116]

Someone call Charlie’s mom. He’s lost.

[@marvinmiller2983]

Jubilee needs to do a better job at handling these conversations. If people are talking over each other, tell them to stop. If they’re going in circles, it’s someone’s turn to talk, or time to move to the next prompt. Overall, I think you guys need to control these discussions better so everyone can talk and hopefully no one tries to leave again.

[@joeymurillo4203]

It would be interesting if they had a mediator

[@yoshipapi7880]

@@joeymurillo4203it actually shows a lack of emotional intelligence

[@TheGamerbroski]

What they need see a psychological analysis/specialist to know when the tension is happens a bit too many times it occurred in these very hot sensitive conversations that in deep careful analysis and patience with mutual respect shown; okay show a lil to show people how the public is but can be bad and dangerous if it lasts to long as it was shown bit too many times and too long in critical moments of their person experiences

[@whengchung90]

Drama reels in views, it's that simple

[@calli8891]

no? why would they censor it it’s supposed to be where both sides 100% honest and give there opinion

[@gaylabujnowski6959]

Retired LEO. I can tell you, with complete truthfulness, people like Charlie are not an anomaly. Cops deal with that level of absurd ignorance, from criminals and non criminals alike, daily.

[@alphabettown04]

Ohhh poor you

[@samstromberg5593]

@@alphabettown04Wow I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an eloquent counter argument I mean you really did just shatter his whole worldview and leave him no opportunity for rebuttal His point was that maybe there’s a reason cops go into encounters with little patience

[@alphabettown04]

@@samstromberg5593 it’s KZbin, you dunce. I’m not a debate bro trying to change anyone’s worldview. Just felt like clowning on him a bit kinda how I’m clowning on you too rn.

[@video631king]

Charlie was the worst. Most annoying person to ever see on this show. There was some real ignorant annoying people that appeared on this series and the KZbin platform… but I must say… Charlie is competing for the gold trophy of “special”.

[@laurencameron3150]

And people deal with bad cops on a daily! 😂 Civilian and cops are having the same experiences

[@TheJhon65]

Scar was the only ex convict that only let his experience with one minimally cloud the rest

[@la0346]

I respect cops a lot more now seeing how they have deal with criminals such as Charlie. He is pure a Narcissist and a professional victim.

[@josephcokermusic]

Tell the worlds longest scenario about a traffic incident, cop goes to answer, interrupt him til he stops talking “wow you cops need more patience” lol

[@BlurredUniverse357]

I laughed at that.

[@rainwhenidie6666]

In a normal world yes thats crazy. The thing is though that makes her point valid is they are supposed to be held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be "trained" in de-escalation. That officer was trying to insert his dominance over that kid. He went so far as to look at the producers and knock him down a step. Believe it or not this is a very common behavior in police officers. Im in belief that cops are important but we are people too. Treat us that way.

[@Unpolarised]

@@rainwhenidie6666you’re blinded by your unwillingness to see the other side. He’s a human being who was being talked to like a child.. an officer not in an official setting (i.e. on a traffic stop) is not expected to be a perfect human being. Zoom out and look at both sides

[@rainwhenidie6666]

Ditto

[@SARGER5]

@@rainwhenidie6666 so how long was he supposed to go on trying to answer the question and being told you're not answering my question and being interrupted? 15 times? 20 times? 3 million times?

[@obinnaoguike2823]

This seems more like a therapy session than a productive conversation.

[@hatban_]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 여기서 본 코멘트 중 가장

[@Ookashay]

Obviously trying to have conversations with mentally immature felons won't be productive 🤣

[@maebo2524]

This was a rough one to watch. The whole conversation seemed to be based on emotions rather than facts, from both sides. Not the best casting on this one in my opinion.

[@maka3230]

Still productive

[@ambermartinez6587]

Healing is very productive

[@JuGG3rNauTOfJust1ce]

Darien seems pretty level headed hes my favourite character in this one so far

[@morales2018]

This is what’s wrong with society, the officer was being respectful letting Charlie speak and then trying to answer and was being cut off but the lady instead of correcting the guys bad behavior of interrupting she automatically tells the cop that’s not even in uniform or on the job that he should have more patience. Yes instead of correcting someone bad behavior we should all just have more patience.

[@Looey222]

Scar did point out a flaw in the uvalde thing when the cop was listing school shootings, he tried to speak up that they happened despite armed cops being there, but was interrupted. This episode was really good, but could've had some more mediating from the jubilee team to make sure everyone gets a chance to speak their mind.

[@achillessong]

The mods were not going to check a room full of cops and ex cons. 😂

[@kaylao.3326]

Jubilee actually displayed that info on the screen when the cop was speaking on it (that armed cops did nothing during the killings)

[@gwenrichard7507]

Uvalde was stopped by a ICE officer and the cops were told to WAIT for swat. It was the perfect example of what waiting for help looks like.

[@Zero-ln7ru]

Absolutely not, I love when it’s not mediated as much, I want them to genuinely speak as much as possible

[@Looey222]

@@kaylao.3326 Yes, but scar and the others probably didn't see that. I mostly think he just should've gotten a chance to speak during that conversation

[@reeree1924]

Charlie’s whole thought process is so cringe. He didn’t even have the decency to let anyone speak. I had such a hard time finishing the video because of him . Great job Jubilee

[@Forester-]

He outed himself as a sovereign citizen that explained everything to me

[@Watchingvids01]

@@Forester-i felt that too

[@Matt-zp1jn]

The overtalking by everyone, NEEDS a 3rd party to referee things unbiasedly. Charlie the guest was overtalking more than anyone, as well as others to varying degrees too, BUT there is little to almost ZERO proactive mediation evidence by the Jubilee show “Host” to keep things on track, except when things are ALREADY getting out of hand. The Jubilee Host needs, the skills to verbally quell tensions BEFORE they get out of hand, recognize the Triggering behaviours on both sides that can naturally and justifiably come out of escalating situations such as these very polarizing talk shows/discussions. Jubilee NEEDS more, than just some host-Director and a camera person only asking the main questions and then being absolutely silent to watch things head into train wreck breakdowns in everything. The Jubilee “Host” was weak, in acting many times during this episode BEFORE things headed into more volitile situations and seemed to be just letting everything escalate just for “TV Show entertainment DRAMA”, like this show tends to do all too often, for clicks/views/Likes, etc. WEAK administration by Jubilee, in effectively handling BOTH sides when there clearly needed the 3rd party host acting as the “IMPARTIAL” mediator to step in to communicate things back on track from side tangents, or set the grounds rules of respectful and balanced talk/listen, question/answer type discourse. “Jubilee, don’t let this haphazard Hosting continue without a proper interviewer/supportive counselor or communications specialist to be there to intervene at a moments notice if need be. “ A future physical disruption, where a guest or someone SNAPS on another, or the group, staff, or whatever will eventually grow out of these WEAKLY mediated episodes as unfortunate as that would be. Just because the cameras filming are rolling, don’t think nothing will happen, that is unwise thinking or preparation…

[@CruzLegend3]

Same. I paused it a few times because I was getting irritated how he continued to cut people off and talk over them, not allowing them to make their point when they were granting him, that respect of allowing him to give his perspective. He was ridiculous.

[@JoThomas-mc7xb]

Omg thank you so much and because of you imma finish this bc facts watching him is hard

[@WatcherOfHorror]

Very clear IQ gap on the two sides here haha

[@doobieddooo]

Donna was essential to this. She always reset the tone and pace of the conversation.

[@godsend877]

her voice calmed me down

[@101Navyseals]

Because she’s lying?

[@davidjones595]

She comes over as a moderator

[@elizabethfunes8435]

@@101Navyseals what did she lie on?

[@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo]

​@@davidjones595 don't disrespect her like that 😂

[@Forester-]

When Charlie revealed himself as a sovereign citizen I immediately understood his entire history with the police

[@jasl9987]

Lmao exactly

[@michaelmitchel3471]

What's that?

[@Forester-]

@@michaelmitchel3471 Basically people who don't think a bunch of laws apply to them such as needing a driver's license, insurance, license plate, or vehicle registration to drive on the road.

[@michaelmitchel3471]

@@Forester- oh thanks

[@ripn929707]

Charlie is more than just a sovereign citizen, he's an anarchist. I've met several in my travels, and they all seem to have this pie in the sky idea that humans are capable of policing themselves. They think we dont need agencies like the EPA, FDA, and the like. It's a total fantasy concept the completely ignored the factors of human greed and the all of the evils that men have done throughout history that brought on the need for these agencies.

[@gianlucavalle7714]

Bro Marlon was so respectful and waiting for his turn to talk, any other regular person would have gone berserk with the amount of times Charlie interrupted.

[@jayyswrld2464]

Criminals can't take any responsibility for their choices. It's so sad how coming from a broken family and being raised in a bad environment can create people like this

[@crazyeaglefan]

When Charlie brought up the situation about the broken down car. He wouldn't let Marlon respond. Marlon would say 2 words and be cut off. After constantly being interrupted he asked the controller to get control and then the criminals said "see, you cant control yourself" when the ones who couldn't control themselves was the criminals.

[@NfiniteRage]

Yeah that's called gaslighting.

[@Ph4r4oh_444g]

Yea I didn’t like! that charlie is definitely an agitator and manipulator, charlie can’t understand because all he can think about is himself and what he went through and how he was done wrong and can’t put himself in the officers shoes because he disassociate himself with anything that has to do with the law 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Michael_MW]

100% that part was really annoying. Also because after that the officers who clearly wanted to say something were not allowed to respond and they just cut to the next prompt.

[@19jessejames83]

They all did their time for their crimes so stop labeling them as criminals.

[@jonw7937]

​@@19jessejames83That's what they are

[@marine296]

Listening to Charlie speak, constantly interrupt and be disrespectful makes me want to bash my head into a wall. Scar and Charlie both have very similar views, but scar goes about it respectfully, while Charlie just channels his immaturity and just plays the blame game. We need the police but we also need to hold them all accountable.

[@72horses75]

Jubilee encouraged this. This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!

[@kennedygilyard3822]

I didn’t like the Jubilee only had questions that were centered around the cops but not around the ex-convicts. It made the whole video seem like they were bashing on the cops. I agree with some of the criminal but they aren’t innocent in the blame game

[@danielsanchez-ep6ud]

Thank you Charlie annoyed me when he speaks like you talked now let other speak

[@tylerl3510]

Charlie is ignorant af. He hasn't had a rough life the guys a clown

[@rachelmazza4079]

This. And Jubilee encouraged it for views 🙄

[@IvanVujica-CertifiedTrainer]

gosh it was so hard to rationalize and understand these criminal's "arguments", and the way they generalized in their accusations

[@Pete-gx4fz]

Convicted felons don't agree with cops being allowed to have guns. That's all I heard for an hour. Oh, and that there should be squads of armed police officers waiting in the wings to take on armed criminals...because armed criminals announce they are armed and politely wait for the unarmed police to get to safety while waiting for the armed police to arrive.

[@lionsareblue8421]

this has to be the worst middle ground yet, they were allowed to stray so far off topic basically negating the prompts

[@llvb420]

I think the promps need to be better as well its very vague and sometimes so leading

[@lilygirllove]

Honestly. I haven’t even finished the video and I can feel the energy. They need the mediator to be more present and need to help stay on focus, most importantly respect each other…

[@rosemadder5547]

I think that that is what breeds new perspectives and new thoughts and ideas, personally

[@jideo.4832]

But this isn't a problem they have had before. With people like Scar and Charlie always off

[@lionsareblue8421]

@@rosemadder5547 no it leads to them dancing around questions and not actually answering anything

[@Forbestravels]

Charlie was the hardest one to watch didn’t answer ONE question and acted petty with with one cop and literally tried to turn the other convicts on the black cop

[@Boken123]

yeah, no wonder he is a criminal

[@ClaytonAFoster]

He was really annoying and thought he knew what he was talking about.

[@paulcastle7007]

The guy wouldn't let anyone else talk. I'm surprised the moderator didn't step in when he got heated

[@furikagi]

Charlie’s response to the policing prompt is telling. He’s someone that doesn’t want to be held accountable for any of his actions. Simply put: he doesn’t like being told what to do.

[@kaylao.3326]

He has a reason to feel the way he does. He’s Hispanic. They’re the second largest ethnic group of people (aside from black folks) to be profiled and harassed by cops, especially in places like Texas, Cali and NYC

[@arod2799]

Love it when cops say as they are individuals that they're doing their best and not being held accountable for the r*pist, crooked, abusive police but have the mentality that every person in a certain area might have a gun or are willingly harm their own

[@cjay3330]

These are the kinds of conversations we need to be having! I love seeing Cops and Criminals just having necessary conversations and being respectful.

[@jordandudley8040]

This conversation needed better moderation & more productive questions. This is one of the most serious and distressing issues in the history of this country between true positional enemies. Nonetheless, the guests were incredible! I really connected to each of their stories and could tell that everyone was hurting and wanting to be heard.

[@zi.5515]

some of the prompts were too open ended... the conversation then leading to someplace else. And your spot on about the moderation with this one. This episoide felt like a quarrel between two arguably heavily opposed sides. This ep was a miss but then again , it covers a topic which has everyone divided.

[@Zach-sv7ej]

This police brutality is just a distraction from Americas real issues.

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@zi.5515 idk about a miss it was very interesting to watch

[@zi.5515]

@@gothicgolem2947 it's true that it was interesting but I still stand with the fact that it wasn't productive.

[@phy1lis]

frrr these questions aren’t specific enough it’s just like having a prompt saying “cops are bad”

[@Michael_MW]

“I DONT KNOW YOU.” I’m glad someone finally pointed out that assuming all citizens are criminals or assuming all police are tyrants is the same ignorance. It’s called prejudice.

[@Itsjrdot]

The most real comment I’ve seen.

[@pinksnake8001]

It's not the same ignorance because cops aren't just random citizens, they're part of a system. That changes everything.

[@tooserious8722]

@@pinksnake8001every system has its own unique elements

[@professormadlad7773]

I see cops as tyrants.

[@wood9670]

If you financially cripple people and tear them away from their families because you are paid to do that then you are rightfully called a tyrant.

[@fearreavers]

When she talked about that one cop believing her that she was raped, what she is talking about needing is a peer advocate. We need more advocates.

[@lol-zp1ps]

For sure one cool thing about this interaction is that it's two groups of people who definitely don't mind confrontation. It gets heated, but it gives insight into the feelings and beliefs of both parties very well. Really cool episode.

[@vivian5578]

you can tell how far scar has come just by how vulnerable he allows himself to be in this episode

[@Im-Ekko]

So true

[@rickgold4854]

He is a child.

[@TheSakufighter]

@@rickgold4854 being real is not childish. Sorry you’re weak.

[@bjstengel]

Absolutely, I respect and like this guy because he is so honest and open.

[@illicitbike2782]

​@@TheSakufighterThere's a difference between being real and whatever scar is doing. Scar is projecting what happened to him to the cops in the video and pushing it to others outside and in general. If he was being real then he wouldn't project and keep levelheaded. I'm against cops but what Scar was doing isn't real and is childish

[@bleedingpatriot4637]

I see exactly why Charlie has issues with police. Immediately assumes the worst of the police and can’t even let that cop answer him.

[@AviMarie21]

That’s because he does not take accountability for what he does… it’s always the cops fault… no sir stop breaking the law. He made me so mad.

[@72horses75]

Jubilee encouraged this. This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!

[@KennethWhitejr]

It’s called trauma… I’m not a ex con but I understand I’ve been pulled over multiple times for no reason and just questioned.. I fit the description

[@MeliNYC80]

​@@KennethWhitejrI agree with you. The way he's acting and responds may come across to certain people as impatient ,rude, defensive and even unjustified, etc..., I do believe his actions and response reactions are all rooted in all of his previous bad, unpleasant interactions and negative experiences when having to deal with cops. Trauma and becoming traumatized of something or someone is unfortunately a very common occurrence and a very normal response and reaction that happens to a person that has had NOTHING but BAD EXPERIENCES and BAD, HORRIBLE MEMORIES OF SOMETHING OR SOMEONE. Also once that happens, depending on how deep and serious that trauma is ,it can be extremely hard to control or hold in. It takes time, forgiveness and healing depending on the severity of the trauma . I wish him and the rest of the panel lhealth and healing because I unfortunately understand first hand and know all too well how and why they have developed traumas and their way of thinking of the cops.

[@hannahfranson9910]

Yea your experience means it will happen to everyone else.. 🙄 Cops don’t just show up for no reason.. they’re called to the drama/crime… It’s called their “job”.

[@sparkyyoung73]

"Policing is necessary?" really? everyone in the world should be stepping forward for this one. I can only wish I lived in a world where policing was not necessary. If you would not have stepped forward just think how bad things would be. just give it a tiny bit of thought.

[@jasper46985]

All (ex-)convicts,.. i can see their problems.. No accountability..

[@catherine6407]

As someone who lives in the U.K. I think it’s crazy for Americans to say cops shouldn’t carry guns. They brought up that we don’t have cops with guns. But we don’t have guns. (Ofcourse illegal ones) but we don’t have a gun problem. We don’t have mass shootings. We have got cops with guns but how can you expect an American cop to go to a crime scene without a gun?

[@rosanamaldonado4690]

Why is no one liking this comment? Oh yea, because it proves most people wrong about how we are the only country that has cops with guns. Smh

[@smbenga2]

@@rosanamaldonado4690It’s because the UK doesn’t have less issues than the US. Look at the arson and stabbing rates in the UK. The crime doesn’t stop, the method does

[@amandamorgan8349]

Nobody said he should go to a scene with no guns. Maybe next time listen first before speaking.

[@catherine6407]

@@smbenga2 Exactly.

[@catherine6407]

@@amandamorgan8349 removing guns from police officers… what does that mean? No guns at a crime scene lmao. Tf

[@brandoncrain3818]

Charlie is just an example someone who feels they should do whatever they want

[@gregap8282]

not really, someone with eyes can see and understand where Charlie's coming from

[@agustinjr.enriquez6238]

@@gregap8282Charlie wants to be heard but doesn’t want to listen, there’s bad cops and there’s bad people.

[@JuliusCheeser223]

​@agustinjr.enriquez6238 The excuse of "there's bad cops" is so lame, the system is broken. The system was built around slave catchers. The system has failed the average person so many times

[@matthewhoward7384]

​@@gregap8282 Yes but his points are so futile and can be easily seen as nonsense. His reasoning for these points based on past trauma is very real and I empathize. But when faced with the question of being hyprocritical, he agrees knowing his point is so invalid, but still tries to impose it otherwise. I think the biggest point in this whole video was the black cop saying " Just like how you don't want to be discriminated against because of bad things other people did, I dont want to be judged by the offenses other cops have made " Its really a big circle and the traumas that happen on both sides will keep it spinning. But people like charlie that insinuate hypocrisy and hate all because of few, we will never get anywhere. Same goes for cops who do the same thing

[@user-oe9wb4dm7v]

​@@gregap8282we see where Charlie is coming from but anyone with eyes can see what kind of guy Charlie is. He's an instigator who loves to start drama and play victim later.

[@rayg9344]

Imagine being a cop in a country where every single individual has a high percentage odds of carrying a firearm. Yeah I would be paranoid and my service gun will be my best friend. Thats what you get you integrate firearms in your countries culture. Well done America, you played yourselves.

[@MargaretCutt-um8iq]

you miss the point of individual rights and you also miss the fact that until the 60's there were firearms in most homes and firearms courses were taught in many schools. it isn't the guns it is the lack of respect for each other that has caused this, not the guns. with the number of personally owned weapons in the country, if it was the guns, the entire nation would be dead.

[@Dandeliondart]

Charlie expects everyone to just be their own police, detective, judge, and jury.

[@lazarzivkovic3393]

its called anarchism

[@michaelmitchel3471]

It's pretty silly of him. One of the best points the ex convicts brought up was that since there is nobody (or very few) policing the police, they have an ego, and become controlling, yet Charlie wants that for every body(and look, Charlie has an ego)

[@napsterdeus5770]

@@lazarzivkovic3393it’s called idiotizm😂

[@knado8135]

Sovereign citizen. Tells you everything you need to know about that person. They literally think they have no repercussions to anything they ever do. They don't think they need to buy anything, pay rent, follow laws, etc. Literally the problem with the entire US.