Rich vs Poor: Is the Economy Rigged? | Middle Ground

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00:00 Intro
00:27 Being poor is a choice
02:35 Billionaires should not exist
07:05 The economy is rigged
13:46 I've worried where my next meal would come from
18:57 $15 an hour is not enough for minimum wage
22:49 More money, more problems
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[@itsbrunnar]

It would be interesting to watch a self made rich vs inheritance rich

[@icyx9268]

well if thats in the context of basically anyone envolved with this american degeneration tv time series of cbs "make it" then they all got more of a "hand out" than any inheritance kid it was same amount of luck but just much more easy to fulfill those rolls and also only difference is they are cruel unconscious and incompetant and live by sliver narrow illusions and willing to impose there fragile ways on everyone else of which are based off of corrupt structures that enabled them

[@trovestove6886]

So true

[@tammiev3985]

YESS

[@christianbeach8192]

There’s no such thing as self made rich

[@itsbrunnar]

@@christianbeach8192 not a fact

[@masonferris5910]

“I don’t care about money” is such a privileged statement.

[@nternetrat]

and if he did care about money ppl would call him greedy lol.

[@arijeetjoshi4911]

he made enough by himself to not care about it

[@sheldonsisombath7323]

He has solved his “money problems” therefore he doesn’t care about money.

[@idk-td6gg]

@@nternetrat not true,everybody cares about money, nobody sees that as being greedy

[@cjohnson24]

Didn’t someone from both sides say that? So are they both privileged?

[@henriquesetti3651]

Did you notice that only the rich people say that the money is not a big deal?

[@The13thDisciple]

Likely because they’re the only ones who have a lot of money lol. I mean you won’t find someone starving saying money isn’t worth anything. Different perspectives breed different lessons learned. I’d suggest realizing they’re telling you that money isn’t going to make you happy, just make certain parts of life easier

[@randomname4726]

Yeah it's annoying. Having a toothache and not being able to go to the dentist is a big deal, having to skip meals, miss out on medication e.t.c

[@rogergeyer9851]

But are we talking about enough money to be safe and comfortable, but need to be disciplined to be successful -- or are we talking about billionaire or even deci-millionaire money? Those are MASSIVELY different things. Clearly having enough money to be safe and healthy (decent health care and food) and comfortable is important -- Maslow's heirarchy of needs clearly reflects that.

[@sarahfaith86]

its the same as pretty people saying 'Looks aren't everyhtng'

[@premsaikrishnathirumalagir3261]

Growing up with just enough money for food and a simple school, I started with only a phone and 1GB of data each day. Despite being from a lower middle-class family, I worked hard, sometimes 17 to 20 hours a day, learning about making money through Social Media Marketing and other methods. Now, I'm earning well and realizing that being rich isn't as hard as I thought. It's about learning the game. I used to think getting rich was tough because of my background, but now I see being poor is more about the choices we make, not just our problems.

[@arianatheyoutuber7895]

I've watched a lot of these Jubilees and this one tore me apart. This is so sad. Alot of people are stuck and can't get out of the cycle.

[@braydenrollins4397]

Their fault. There is literally money floating around everywhere.

[@cecio1607]

@@braydenrollins4397 are you schizophrenic?

[@maxm807]

@@braydenrollins4397how much money do you have

[@xxxyyy618]

​@braydenrollins4397 no there isn't

[@arianatheyoutuber7895]

@@braydenrollins4397 money floating around everywhere? Let me know where that is.

[@Pablo-ix3xf]

The first girl that assumed everyone has access to facebook really lost me, imagine living in so much privilege that you think having a phone and internet is a given

[@roscoeswetsuit1218]

ikr. Even if you go to the library, assuming you don't need a home address for a library card, you only get 30mins a day

[@Pablo-ix3xf]

@@roscoeswetsuit1218 true but first you need to know about those opportunities, if youre homeless and dont have a phone, you probably dont even know whats at reach on the internet

[@hokkaidoosaka4881]

Exactly lmao I got wifi this year!!

[@zorinize9881]

nah fr her answer kind of annoyed me

[@boku955]

I do agree with that, but at the same time, I feel like at least where I live, you can access the free internet at cafes. Also, these people are "poor" not homeless. (one was ik) But people with a house can probably save up to get a phone eventually and access it. But I do agree with what you are saying.

[@mofire5674]

Rich people who were once poor seem to often have incredibly blinding survivorship bias.

[@jhxcczs]

That’s an interesting term, I didn’t know how to put it in words but that’s exactly what it is: survivorship bias.

[@mofire5674]

@@jhxcczs Yup. Effectively because they succeeded they think it's the same for everyone else, when they fail to realize how many people have put in the same effort and work that they have yet haven't succeeded.

[@winstonfan6763]

@@mofire5674 theres a small chapter on this term in the book:The Art of Thinking Clearly-Rolf Dobelli

[@peternguyen3645]

@@mofire5674 effort doesn’t mean the success is going to equal. Someone who is born with better talents at singing might not put so much effort into it like an average Joe to succeed

[@user-yz7ux1qj1v]

i agree.....doesnt mean that if you made it, that others should be at your level with the same effort. the circumstances are always different.

[@TheSiGuy]

This should really be revisited with more prompts. Would love for this discussion to go deeper.

[@000014161]

My husband and I work 2 jobs, raised 5 children put them all through college. We made too much for subsidized housing, foodstamps and mass health. Our children attended BPS all Horor/National Honor Society and had scholarships, but we still have to cover dorm fees and other essential. We were constantly told we made too much. When you're in a certain tax bracket, you don't get any help. They don't care you're paying this $3000 plus rent, dental, car, food, utilities, medical and life insurance. We both work hard, but we don't get anything form of help

[@000MV]

Too Rich for social benefits, Too poor to play the game

[@raechey3980]

Middle class perspective. The rich will say it’s mismanagement of money. The poor will wonder what you’re complaining about and wish they did have such problems.

[@Najuni-iy7po]

Exactly. It's never just about how much money you make but how the economy is set up

[@alexrankin6376]

Having 5 children was (more than likely) a choice

[@smears6039]

And because you struggled and didn’t receive help you think others should have to also? I hate that mentality. Instead of preaching selfishness try advocating for helping others and making the world a better place than the one we live in currently.

[@Yunhomatata]

This episode was tense. Normally at the end everyone hugs each other but this time they didn’t say a word lol

[@kirderf7222]

i would not say a word too more then casual goodbye.

[@DavidNunezPNW]

Exactly but also COVID

[@davidnishikawa2293]

Class has always been the real divider.

[@RockinLoud360]

Wonder if the rich guy ever reached out to the mother at the end

[@ToddBaldwin]

@@RockinLoud360 I did :)

[@karsonlusi]

"being poor is a choice" sounds like something that bank robbers would say in their prep talk

[@the_gratefulgamer]

Or the wealthy elite, who cheat the system to put their children in the best colleges. Not for the sake of their education. But just so their kids can party in college.

[@aparna5868]

😂😂

[@GoogleAccount00]

😂😂😂 it’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard

[@DefineMorena]

🤣🤣🤣

[@n1c704]

@@the_gratefulgamer people wanting student loans forgiven are morally no different than elites wanting government bailouts

[@swasome5821]

Jubilee, you need to chill out with your quality/creativity of videos. I am addicted.

[@tuckerhart510]

Hanifah thank you so much for sharing your perspective and story. You made sure they kept the conversation real ❤️ much love

[@marcello7781]

Some people might lose everything out of their poor choices, but blaming general poverty on people "laziness" is a naive statement that doesn't take in consideration multiple external factors that played a role in the process.

[@IrenaLemo]

Like what?

[@SJ-ru4ej]

I agree with you that it's not laziness in ALL cases, but there are also some people that just don't want to work and live off of the system. Take universal basic income, for example. People who don't want to work will only be more motivated to not do so and live off of taxpayers who DO go to work.

[@surfhappens202]

@@SJ-ru4ej Again, still generalizing.

[@s.augustsmith1096]

@SJ the vast majority of people in poverty are not like this. This is a stereotype the wealthy and powerful made to make it easier to ignore and not help our citizens in poverty. It's also rooted in racism- the "welfare queen" is a stereotype specifically of a "lazy black woman playing the system"

[@Iturrisoga]

@@surfhappens202 He said some

[@MankindDiary]

"Give me 60k and I'll stop gambling" Like dude, that's not how addiction works. She would gamble away the entire 60k in a day.

[@KO.Power1]

exactly

[@ROVideos]

Facts.

[@famus801]

Exactly its like the black girl said, A mindset and without changing that first youll never get ahead

[@roman2164]

You speak the true true

[@Coonazz791]

I was thinking the same thing. I used to be a dealer in a casino and have seen rich and poor gamble away every last cent. She’s admitted to having a substance and gambling addiction yet she thinks that will all magically go away with more money. There are plenty of free programs that are out there to help with addiction, if she isn’t even starting there, then she’ll never get anywhere. Having a substance addiction is likely already preventing her from getting a better job, so unless she makes the choice to start to better herself, she will always be poor and have those unchecked addictions.

[@firefelice]

this episode was very insightful, thank you!!

[@evalara]

Some of them rich ppl never had childhood problems to deal with and are over here trying to bury the poor ppl that have gone and are going through mental health issues. I’ve always said, that mental health issues play a big role in success (in whichever area of life, not just money). We need to focus more on helping ppl w mental health, becoming better individuals ourselves to avoid creating mental health issues, and over all becoming a healthier society in terms of compassion and gratitude. This era is all about physical health and wealth but what truly matters in mental and emotional health… from there you can achieve physical health, wealth and happiness. I hope I made sense. Bless you all 🙏🏼

[@Theplanettaty]

Well said. I had a chaplain tell me that people can see a physical bone that is broken and can watch it heal but when a person is mentally broken you can’t see that. That is the part you really got to watch out for because a demure can heal in two years but your mind can take up to a lifetime and some people never heal mentally sad😢

[@kellyherrin]

I'm scanning through the comments, hoping someone would mention this. What about people who have schizophrenia or one of a number of other mental health issues, and no family around to help them? What are they supposed to do? Oh yeah, become homeless. You know how some homeless people walk around talking to themselves and doing unusual things and everyone assumes they are on an illegal drug? It seems few people realize how much of that is actually schizophrenia manifesting.

[@a.c.9378]

It makes me really sad that nobody even mentioned the poverty cycle. This issue definitely needs to be discussed more, preferably with people who are experts on poverty & the economy

[@maybeitsasecret]

I agree. I love these middle ground episodes but lately I've been thinking they should definitely reformat to include actual experts for some topics or start another series, especially since this channel has almost 7 million subs now..

[@notwelcome2452]

This is not about experts it's about what people experience and think It would ruin the whole premise of the show

[@joannajackson5884]

Definitely i wonder how jubilee goes about casting these videos

[@joannajackson5884]

Im down for a rich and poor middle ground series… like at least a part 2

[@SkillzKillzBR]

Why would you put an expert on Jubilee when you can put on a nonsensical addict?

[@jennyhammond9261]

What people forget is that the poor literally can't save money to invest in something, go to school, etc. They're just trying to survive the DAY. I was taking the city bus for a while and would buy the monthly pass, because it's cheaper than paying for a single ride each time. I didn't understand why everyone wasn't just buying the monthly pass. It hit me that they will never be able to save the $50 at once for the pass because they're just trying to scramble enough quarters for today's fare and for something to eat.

[@LisaD-fy8xy]

THIS! Also ironically how the world makes more money off poor people in the long run, than off those who can afford the monthly pass etc.

[@tishaparker9869]

Exactly. I was one of many people that was lucky to get a bus pass that was at the student rate. But paying $44 a month can easily be groceries for somebody. But a lot of people also don't know is that if you are on assistance they can give you a monthly bus pass.

[@tishaparker9869]

I was also just thinking it cost $3 to ride the bus for a day. Let's just say somebody rode the bus 25 days out of the month. That is $75 that they have paid to ride the bus for a month when a monthly pass is $44. But to someone that is making money stretch that's all they can do.

[@amberfirexx9]

I had similar views for a long time until I worked for Disney and my eyes were opened big time. I had coworkers with disabilities and coworkers who hardly spoke English and they had families at home and kids to feed. Like you said, they didn't have the time and money, or sometimes physical ability, to go to school or work harder to get a better job. For some people, minimum wage job are it. they are the only jobs they are going to be able to do. and youre telling me those people don't deserve to make a living wage? or that should be temporary and they need to move on to something better?

[@ziyanbaloch8225]

@Delores B Bro I lost money on stocks

[@NoneYa-pg6dk]

I resonate Britney. Keep going Britney. You earned your spot in life. Don’t let people tell you otherwise.

[@mr.johnson3889]

@@Darlalalalalalalmao she just smart where can I find more of her

[@gettinmymoneyup9816]

@@Darlalalalalalathe moment she kept talking about “the game” I just knew she was broke dawg

[@r0gerd0dger]

@@gettinmymoneyup9816 it's crazy that she's talking the most game of the rich people when she's making by far the least. 130k is barely above middle class in high cost of living areas. No one hears someone in their 30s making that salary and goes "damn, you're rich"

[@givenchie462]

@@r0gerd0dgershe think she rich cause her husband make that money 😂😂😂 she prolly don’t pay anything

[@caitlinbrennan9039]

I agree with the guy who said he doesn’t want to be rich. I don’t have any real desire to be rich. I would like to be comfortable, own a home, go on some holidays but anything more than that is not needed.

[@alien6824]

So read books and study hard on whatever free time you get, then make that dream a reality

[@emilykramer420]

I wish they would have touched on health related issues causing poverty as well. My mom is very sick and lives with major illnesses which makes it extremely difficult for her to work. Getting disability is actually a lot harder than people think. I'm 17 and have been working different jobs to support my mom. As it can be a choice, there are many factors that can contribute to why somebody is unable to fully work and support themselves.

[@alexlewis8143]

My mom works for disability lawyer he doesn't get paid unless social security pays out. Look into a lawyer.

[@tigerguy529]

Yeah, and also poverty causing health problems which cause poverty. If you can't pay for medicine/treatment, you miss out on opportunities to make money, and could even end up with permanent disabilities and chronic illness that are even harder to overcome, specifically because you're already poor.

[@ToddBaldwin]

I agree 100%. My mother in law has a brain tumor and hasn't been able to work for 30 years.

[@Lmaohavefun]

Yeah. Sometimes life can happen to some people and that's not a choice. There are truly a lot of factors that can lead to poverty or wealth. But when you're down, it doesn't get much worse than that. Just don't give up. It's not easy, but just don't.

[@Yass.otb208]

what’s your cashapp

[@taramarielee2904]

I think the statement that "we all have choices, but we don't all have the same choices" was such an important point. Some people have to choose between investing in housing or food, while others choose between investing in a rental property or in the stock market. You can't invest in things to "get ahead" if you're constantly having to choose which need to fulfill.

[@bangtwicesib4281]

Amazing point

[@Katia.Espinosa98]

Thank you for this comment ! This is exactly IT !!

[@karenmaher2092]

The people that were successful came from poverty, they made choices that they were not going to stay there. They did it

[@taramarielee2904]

@@karenmaher2092 My point still stands. The poor people weren’t necessarily given the same choices as the wealthy people. We don’t know every choice each person made, or every option each person was given, to put them in the places they are today. Thinking that poor people could just be wealthy if they “made better choices” is just silly. Especially in today’s economy.

[@karenmaher2092]

@@taramarielee2904 those same people on the other side made different choices, they were poor too. They won't necessarily

[@vvampbite]

“ you guys are in trenches “ that’s why we’re poor . we’re usually depressed , in abusive families , addiction , surviving paycheck to paycheck , surrounded by an environment that doesn’t know how to manage money , lack of education due to poverty and our community , what our family is willing to give us or not

[@jyoon0128]

This was excellent. One of the best I've seen Jubilee present, but I think it would've been more interesting to have a better wrap up. The ending seems so abrupt. Perhaps due to time restriction.

[@kofikofi2403]

i think rich people always forget that people need reasons to live. you can’t just work,work,work and save money and disregard everything else for the instability of one day becoming a millionaire or a billionaire. people need something that makes them happy and if they’re living paycheck to paycheck and happen to have a small amount of money left, they should be able to indulge in that without the fear that they could be homeless next week.

[@claudiax233]

Perfectly said. People have a very oversimplified view of these kinds of issues, it’s not easy to get out of poverty.

[@angeleyes3396]

It’s about sacrifice imo. I’m a single mother with no assistance for family, friends or the government or the father. I was able to sacrifice for a period of time and live below my means to invest in one rental property that turned into two, three and will continue. I don’t have to be a millionaire or billionaire; I can sacrifice buying things and find joy in building my future, raising my son, or doing art or sing (things I enjoy) so that one day I will be wealthy enough to retire from active work, travel, and give my children resources to build upon. Where there is a will and determination, one will find a way.

[@purplehawk2271]

That’s fine, just don’t complain about being poor when you weren’t willing to make the sacrifice to eventually become rich.

[@HishighnessMrL]

Then they need to create a reason to live themselves.

[@SpidermanUndercover]

@@purplehawk2271 In this case it still isn’t the person’s fault. They should be getting paid enough to not have to work everyday and maybe even afford to go on a vacation.

[@alyssailiff545]

What got me “I go into a job and work as hard as I can to get a promotion” I have done this at every job I’ve ever had been working since I was 16. All that has gotten me is minimum wage with higher expectations and picking up the slack of those who do minimum work.

[@nickn753]

I've done this as well since I was 13, and it has resulted in a promotion at every single job I've had. Although I do have to say that I had to communicate that I wanted to be promoted, to which I got the reaction that I had to show that I was capable, which I then did. Has never not worked for me in 12 years of working and 4 different jobs.

[@MBrulla]

This is where the concept of risk comes in. You work hard as you can. You excel and become truly valuable to the company. You tell them you want to get more responsibility...and they say no. Your next choice determines whether you are going to succeed or fail. When you let someone know that your behavior won't change regardless of what they do you remove all power you once had. Reward rarely comes without risk. They won't give you opportunity? Find someone who will and quit. People often stay within a company or position because it's comfortable and familiar, even if it's a terrible job/company. If you don't want to quit, get an offer and bring that to the table to negotiate more responsibility/salary. But you need to be very honest about your performance and how it compares to others. None of this is applicable if you do your best but aren't well above average.

[@nickn753]

@@MBrulla I couldn't agree more. Perfectly explained 👍

[@MBrulla]

@@nickn753 Thanks. This isn't limited to jobs, either. Universal concept, whether it's work, relationships...all applicable.

[@justrandom702]

@@nickn753 thats great, ur a minority

[@nz-gz5jn]

"If you disagree with the laws, you can go lobby and change", with what money? If you are poor you cannot lobby, as lobbying is bribing politicians with money.... This episode was sad to watch.

[@Naniananimous]

This was one of the more respectful and empathetic conversations on the channel

[@KRUSTYskates]

I feel like the tension in this episode derived mostly from the rich defending their wealth while the poor were exposing a system that keeps the poor, poor. The rich people felt they had to justify their success by basically saying anyone can do it too but disregarded or didnt mention privilege, luck, or advantages they may have had because then it would’ve proven the poor peoples argument true

[@ling636]

They are poor cuz they don’t invest in skills that pay them enough. Aka their choice

[@cpetrizzi]

Three of the 4 "poor" people are poor mainly by choice. The Disney guy actually admitted it because he said he never wants to be rich while "knowing the rules of the game" (doubtful) and citing Marxist economy theory incorrectly. The only truly poor person who I felt bad for was the Islamic woman. However, she seemed intelligent enough to be able to hold a job and get herself out of that mindset, too.

[@laloawesomehc]

They talked about the privilege they have being able to exploit the tax system because of the knowledge that they got and they talked about taking risks there for luck on investments and properties

[@DavidNunezPNW]

@@cpetrizzi why to completely miss represent my position lol

[@NeicyMichelle]

I think it’s because of their idea that “i was born into poverty and THIS is how I got out.” And i totally get that because I’m currently in that position. The rich acknowledged that the system is flawed but they used that to their advantage to get where they were. The poor (in this case) were fighting to prove that the system is flawed, but also aren’t willing to use that to their advantage the way the poor did.

[@what3778]

i came into this thinking the rich people were going to be disgusting hypocrites and left realizing they were disgusting hypocrites.

[@alexisfelice]

They really dug deep in defending their richness lmao. I thought maybe they would have some form of empathy but nah. They tried to ride David hard. I felt bad for him, but I'm glad he stated straight up FACTS. The rich people might've grown up in poverty when they were younger, but wow they're so far detached from that mentally now.

[@jherc12990]

Doesn’t mean all rich people are like that

[@what3778]

@@jherc12990 oh ya fosho, but the thing is i have a stereotyped ideal of how these type of people act based off my experiences and seeing it play out exactly how I expected, even though were told they are not all the same, isn't rly helpful. But I have no grievance with someones whos just rich, but most of those people usually are unethical

[@anishjambhorkar2603]

You boys, do exactly as Bill said. Take risks, earn reward. Want safer reward? Take calculated risks. That needs knowledge and studying. Knowledge is accessible to everybody with a double digit IQ, a phone, and internet. Knowledge is accessible to anybody who can afford $5 a month for a library subscription. You people keep calling the rich people bad, whilst getting more poor and making them more rich. Rich people here are not to be blamed here as they worked for every single penny. They even had to work minimum wages under disgusting people. They had the necessary knowledge and understanding about things to break through the system. Anybody can break through the system.

[@anishjambhorkar2603]

@@alexisfelice Of course they’re detached from that stuff because it was so miserable that they never want to be in that place. And yes David needed to be rode more, people like David need to get rode like that too. You be flexible and adapt to the world, and not wait for the world to adapt. Move on. Y’all just casually sitting in your chairs/lying on beds and complaining about the system whilst not doing a thing.

[@charlotteshornalee33]

It’s weird how some people cannot fathom that some people don’t want all the money in the world, or to be rich. The more money that you have, the more problems that come along with it and that’s just common sense. Staying in the middle ground means that you can enjoy life from all aspects. Being poor can give you experiences and skills that being rich you still can’t buy and vice versa. However money is money, and people are people - regardless of how rich or poor you are, respecting each other as human beings is imperative. Especially considering no amount of money you have is going to change where you end up ⚰️

[@chrispee5786]

but just because they dont want to be rich doesnt mean they should not want others to have that dream.

[@YeNoYeezy]

What problems come with more money? We hear the phrase all the time, but no one ever provides an example of problem that arise exclusively due to an increase in funds.

[@vinnyintegrity7107]

I like what the guy with the hat said; money doesn’t bring more problems, it brings different problems

[@frug9236]

It’s so obvious how the law shelters rich people from real effort, and you can observe it in the way they conflate legality and goodness.

[@mmgs1148]

And like... The risk of investment only applies to the poor trying to get out of poverty. We see banks crashing economy in US, starting worldwide crisis' even and did they suffer any consequences of their risks like some poor loose all they have? No, banks are sheltered. So thats also it. And the rich often do have employees that think for them and invest

[@chelseabailey6950]

At my very first job after high school I was told by the hiring manager that if she knew that I was going to college two months after I was hired she wouldn’t have hired me. And I applied for Walgreens while I was in college and did not get that job because the hiring manager said that he knew that once I graduated I would quit for a better position. So if these minimum wage jobs are temporary, then somebody needs to tell these minimum wage jobs that. Because they are hiring people with the expectation that they will stay for the long-haul

[@quackquack2436]

this.

[@dragonlord1225]

I have a job in food delivery. They hire everybody but you get payed per delivery. So I can just choose how long I want to work and continue working part time while finding another job. It is a temporary solution though.

[@gisar.6539]

@@dragonlord1225 i'm in the same boat as you here in the UK - it's honestly the best job that you can get as a student - as the amount of money you get is proportional to the effort in which you put in and you have such flexible working hours

[@1Raunchy]

Very much this

[@chupapibingbong]

If you own a business and expect to change your employees every time, you are not worthy of owning a business and should probably work as a cashier for the rest of your life.

[@jasp1425]

Nothing upsets me more than a person who used to be poor and then becomes rich, which causes them to lose perspective about being poor. The lack of empathy is astonishing.

[@sergiodelrioreyes7655]

I personally find it quite inspiring

[@writerchick94]

@@sergiodelrioreyes7655 you find it inspiring to lose empathy?

[@jimbobduggar1747]

@@writerchick94 he probably finds it inspiring that a poor person lost their victim mentality and worked their way to be something more successful

[@writerchick94]

@@jimbobduggar1747 so he finds it inspiring that they lost their empathy.

[@m3m3lord61]

@@writerchick94 hell yeah, she lost that loser self-victimization mentality and decided to make something of herself, she felt that only she could help herself and not wait for some generous hand, and worked her ass off to be successful

[@duggyfresh8899]

I agree with tod about doing everything you can to get promoted but sometimes it does depend on the company.

[@WonderfulLidoff]

change compamy

[@hirahiro2331]

@@WonderfulLidoffget hired by company, then take it from there.

[@Jdcqui]

I fully need the unedited segment on instant gratification, that struck a cord of interest for me.

[@zehavao9031]

Can we get this conversation but with people in a middle-class position vs those who are rich? I feel like it would be a very interesting conversation and a lot more nuanced with people in the “in between”

[@zeuz4218]

Middle class doesn’t even exist anymore. It’s either rich or poor

[@sophiaince9582]

@@zeuz4218 It does exist cus I’m not rich nor am I poor sooo I’m not gonna call myself rich when I’m not

[@jancapetanopulos]

one of the "rich" guests made $100k a year. That's middle class.

[@zeuz4218]

@@sophiaince9582 I’m in between as well but I can’t afford to BUY a condo in luxury area or 100k car. There’s a certain line bw rich and poor.

[@Renee302976]

I agree

[@noahw1229]

The movie Parasite is a perfect example of this. Even if you work a job that pays and you’re poor, it’s still not enough for one to break free from that lifestyle of labour or get anywhere. The cycle of rich continues while the cycle of being poor does too.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

That doesn't explain the poor people who end up becoming rich.

[@noahw1229]

@@jeremiahnoar7504 you hear about the people who become rich from being poor because it’s not very common. We think it is. But there’s a lot more poor people in the world who stay poor than the very small percents of people who do and end up making headlines because of it.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

@@noahw1229 sure but the issue with your post was the last sentence about the cycle of being poor is inevitable. I don’t think the number of people who go from rich to poor really matters so long as people clearly have the opportunity to get out of poverty. It’s like breaking the once thought impossible 4 minute mile. It doesn’t matter how many people have broken the record. What matters is that enough people have done it to show that it’s clearly possible.

[@vanlalchhandama7023]

@@jeremiahnoar7504 enough people, what a joke, the percentage of those people is too low my dude.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

@@vanlalchhandama7023 the percentage of those people are too low? Compared to what exactly? More people have made it from poverty to upper class in the last 100 years faster than they have in the last 1000s of years. The poor in America today have more access than kings in the 1600s. Yes, in an ideal world poverty doesn't exist and everyone swims in a Scrooge McDuck gold swimming pool but our world is far from ideal, but it's also far, very far, from what it was even decades ago.

[@anthonyproffitt5341]

Addiction doesn’t disappear because you win a decent pot of cash.

[@Mahogui.]

That's interesting. We need to see more discussions of this.

[@miaomiaou_]

Exactly. You end up just trying to get more. She needs professional advice.

[@rosed7897]

I totally agree with the exploitation point. I understand taking risks, but paying people so little that they can never really save, because you delegate the work to countries with cheap labour where expenses of living are often higher than costs and where there are no other jobs to choose from. Actually I don't even need to mention third world countries. There is a huge Amazon warehouse nearby where I am in Poland.They would pay people the absolute minimum if they could. It's a very tiring job, they only accept for 12h shifts 4 days a week so you can't really choose that you want to work shorter. The only reason they pay a little above the minimum is because they need a big number of workers. The company is well established. It's not risk factor why they pay so little. It's greed, they pay so little because they can.

[@MisterKazoo]

then the people should get together and decide not to work for them. or get skills that are worth more

[@alcoholicbunny2649]

@@MisterKazoogetting together and not working for them is not an option. U do that and rent is due in a couple weeks. The landlord don’t care for the social movement but he needs his rent he got bills. If not paid late fees court visits then evictions. Developing skills isn’t easy when it cost money and time. And time=money. Developing skills is going to end up costing an individual sacrificing hours to develop these skills which could easily take months. To develop skills u typically pay for some course or training. So that means a new bill while having to cut hours. U could say the can fit it into the schedule but then ur compromising ones well being and sometimes it’s too much to handle at once so u have to drop one or the other hence all the money is now lost.

[@RubberDuckKid]

One big thing people don't often think about is that rich people can essentially buy time. Poor folks might have to work two+ jobs just to pay rent and eat and they don't have any extra time (not to mention energy) after that to do much else. For example, if there were two musicians, one rich one poor, the rich one is a lot more likely to make it big--not by lack of talent for the other, but because they had the time to practice every day, and probably started practicing earlier in their life since they could afford equipment sooner.

[@baeseulgi1742]

then make sacrifices and create time for yourself

[@msolovely623]

So true. Really well said.

[@ewbrainwormies]

@@baeseulgi1742 that's not always an option, everything they said really just went in one ear and out the other for some of y'all😅😂damn

[@Ndasuunye]

@@baeseulgi1742 you assume we are a monolith and everyone has the same circumstances. And that's a terrible mindset. You dont know what's going on in the poor person's life that making it harder than his rich counterpart to succeed. You assume too much that's why you make these simplistic answers.

[@beccad43]

Exactly! Also, this amount of stress and pressure that we have to put ourselves under isn’t the same. We simply can’t risk it all, because if we don’t make it we have nothing to fall back on. Nothing. Those that came from wealthier families have better opportunities and can take those risks. If they don’t make it then their family can support them or they can find something else.

[@zarzarbinks924]

I feel so bad for Hanifah and hope she can move past all the trauma

[@DavidNunezPNW]

She's so amazing and an author you should get her book!

[@DefineMorena]

@@DavidNunezPNW What's the name of her book? I tried to look for it but couldn't find it.

[@wutare6643]

she essentially labeled Islam as a cult, not to disregard her trauma, she may have come from a place where a cult was disguised as Islam, however when you have a platform you also have the responsibility to not spread blatant lies/ be clear about exactly what you are saying- because if I were someone who did not have any knloadge about Islam I would very well assume that it was a clut

[@murtazabadshah2480]

@@wutare6643 exactly my thoughts, just judging by her accent I think she literally grew up in America. So I doubt her story of running away from wherever in Africa and coming to America alone. She probably wasn't. Something just doesn't add up.

[@bobdathang3229]

@@murtazabadshah2480 People can copy accents

[@user-gq6ko8bn8u]

You guys gotta do another one of this

[@jayware4219]

I’m sorry but did that dude just say if the business goes bust then the employees gets paid and the owner gets nothing?

[@WoodlandFaerie0610]

8:25 That is correct. He also said if the investment venture for the business goes well, the worker gets paid and the investor makes money.

[@R2MintOptions]

Imagine you spend $10 opening up a lemonade stand in front our your house. You hire the neighbor's kid for $5 to sell your lemonade. At the end of the day, your "business" sold $5 worth of lemonade. You lost money so you decided to close your business down. You got nothing--actually lost $10. Your employee got paid $5.

[@joshuahoogeveen3273]

"More money, different problems" was a great line to end this with

[@trel4504]

It's more money, more problems..

[@Worminthedirt]

But I wouldn’t necessarily say more problems, I think different is accurate. Problems due to being poor go away but then you’ve got some new problems related to being wealthy. It’s weird. Money does not buy happiness, solves money problems, but then new doors to new problems open.

[@slxthkween]

maybe more problems, but not as bad problems.@@trel4504

[@rainestorm6029]

At least they don't have to live paycheck to paycheck and not know when their next meal is.

[@GeneralistJake]

It all varies on the lifestyle selected and how you're making more money. If your aspiration involves freedom and security and centering life around that, i believe you will have fewer issues. @Worminthedirt

[@lassmallieber7569]

Therapy being too expensive was a very important point and I think mental health wasn't discussed enough. I believe that making bad life choices often derives from trauma, escapism, hopelessness. Poverty very much amplifies these factors. Selfmade rich people basically argue that they were determined and managed to pick themselves up so they deserve everything that comes to them nd they do. But the flipside is that people who are paralyzed because of mental health issued that are often seen as just being lazy don't deserve anything. And that's sooo fucked up. I do not believe that weak people should be left behind because they're weak. We as a society have come far enough to overcome natural selection and instead help everybody to lead a happy life without worrying about literal survival. Sorry for the rant

[@JaniceIche]

You are right. It's ableism.

[@TeddyHeartSweet]

THIS!!!!!

[@pox1396]

Actually natural selection made us this far, our ancestors, who cooperated and lived in groups survived and those who went by them selves didnt. Helping each other is in our nature.

[@Hannahtehbanana]

This is so important. Through Canada’s healthcare system I can be given help from a social worker or psychiatrist for free with the permission of my doctor but if I wanted to find a psychologist I mesh well with and can receive CBT help from, I have to pay upwards of six thousand dollars a year for bi-weekly appointments. That doesn’t even bring up the fact that testing for things such as ADHD average at $3000 per test. The mental health crisis in North America is getting worse by the day, especially now with the ever-increasing effects of climate change, the worsening of the pandemic and the increase in the housing market (specifically in Canada, I’m not sure about the US). A lot of young adults are stuck living with their families, which in some cases are extremely toxic and unhealthy environments, worsening any state of initial joy, motivation etc. Big changes need to be made, and there’s little hope left in me that it will get better, but a part of me still hopes it does.

[@dianvarughese3556]

No you are exactly right. With the funds it takes to overpolice low-income neighborhoods we could literally be giving accessible cheap therapy that could lower homelessness

[@ramoduff9399]

In this Jubilee episode, it tells me that no matter if you are rich or poor, everybody has their own personal trauma and struggle.

[@kovem450]

“i remember parking my car at the Hollywood Hills just to be around money”😭😭i can relate

[@nickwilliams4624]

“Why is it wrong? It’s the law!” How tone-deaf for anyone, let alone a minority woman, to say this. Just because it’s law doesn’t mean it’s moral or ethical.

[@maiax2005]

Right?! The law is an institution ... any system can be corrupt , it doesn't make it moral

[@janelle9652]

That moment really made me realize how ignorant some rich people really are. She really thought she killed that too. What a joke.

[@maiax2005]

@@janelle9652 fr, really disappointing to see such little understanding and ignorance

[@connor3198]

@@janelle9652 Rich people are always by default ignorant people.

[@TheChamp531]

That wasn’t the point. The point was he said he’s a bad person because he was doing it which is not right.

[@r3n0wn1]

I just wish the rich people understood that "being willing to do a job" isn't because we WANT to do it, it's because there's literally no other options and the people in control of how much we get paid know it, so they choose to not pay us more.

[@ThaKodiakkiller]

If there are no options shouldn't they be grateful for the only option available even if it's not ideal?

[@ChocPrynce]

@@ThaKodiakkiller no. We don't champion being grateful for scraps. We champion demanding a better system.

[@CalandreaHall]

@@ChocPrynce exactly!!!

[@Iksvomid]

No one wants to work, not even rich people.

[@grremmy]

@@Iksvomid not true at all. Having seen many interviews and talks for wealthy people, they love to work. Most could easily retire early and just go chill at a beach, they don't. They like creating value at work.

[@user540000]

All the poors in this video are doing unskilled labor but demand they get paid more than their worth. I never see them saying they want to provide more value by getting more skills, its no just give me more money for doing nothing extra.

[@Liv3MotionFilm]

I feel like this one missed the mark on alot of things involvong poverty. The amount of time involved in maintaining a lifestyle just above unsustainable poverty for alot of people can leave little room for life changing evolutions to get above and beyond the poverty cycle.

[@jenwells4208]

"How much do you pay your employees?" "More than enough." I think it would be interesting for the rich people to live off of what they pay their employees...if it is minimum wage, but not a living wage, then that doesn't cut it

[@ling636]

@@zaki7108 they don’t want to hear it lmao

[@aria6596]

I bet she’s a horrible boss and doesn’t pay them well at all. She couldn’t last for a week on their salaries

[@aria6596]

@@zaki7108 but “living below their means” is still living significantly better than 75% of the rest of us.

[@grremmy]

You sound like they were born making that money and they haven't had jobs? All of them up there worked a minimum wage job at some point.

[@jay0339]

@@ling636 bro the level of entitlment in this comment section is crazy

[@AngelicPelican]

We've had; lgbt vs Christians, Liberals vs conservatives, atheists vs religious discussions.. never would I have thought rich vs poor would be the most tense🤣🤣

[@johnwalker1058]

There are some who speculate that among different social issues, whether that is LGBT/Queer issues, political issues, religious issues, economic issues and the problem of poverty often tend to be the most impactful on people's lives and bring out the most controversy. I guess they were right (at least in this particular instance).

[@walker1tnranger]

Economic class divides us more than anything else.

[@loverrlee]

I would. Because “Greed is the root of all evil.”

[@sttrawbrrymlk8871]

The world is run by money. People care about money above all else, unfortunately.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

Exactly my thought. 😭

[@MarajMoonChild]

I know I'm a few years late watching this, but I really would love an update on Hanifah. I see that she is an author, I would love to know her story and I hope that she continues to perservere. The brief of her life that she revealed here is so inspiring and when she started crying, I started crying. I'm rooting for her! I pray all is well with her now! ❤️

[@wyldcatz1799]

i think i lost a few braincells every time david spoke lmao

[@lmore1111]

The 'poverty is a choice' topic really hit home for me because I had to write an essay about if poverty is a choice in school. Being underage means that if my guardian is struggling with money, i struggle as well. At my age, being poor (which i am) isn't my choice at all, it's been thrown upon me. My parents have worked and ARE working their butts off for the past 3 years to get out of this poverty cycle but there are many factors blocking them from succeeding. Basically the point of what I'm saying is that being in poverty isn't a choice at first, it is your choice to try and get out of that cycle and some people do try their hardest but just don't succeed. The people on the 'rich' side think that if you grind,grind,grind you'll get money and succeed and that's not the case because life isn't a straight line. You don't just grind ------> then get rich because there are so many elements that prevent you from reaching that wealth and we've been convinced that grind=success and that's just not true in so many cases.

[@gothicgolem2947]

one of them is like having the buissness brain that lots of these billionaires have

[@alsetagholston2166]

The hardest working people out there are the working poor. Plenty of rich people who barely do anything but have money. Definitely, we can say hard work does not necessarily always equal success. That is one of the biggest lies of the so-called "America dream" that has ever been told

[@cjcastro7589]

Your parents should’ve taken a Facebook course 💀💀

[@lmore1111]

@@cjcastro7589 ???. i don't understand nor know what that is.

[@cjcastro7589]

@@lmore1111 neither do I when she said Facebook courses I had no idea what that was or if they even make people rich

[@ishittashinde6671]

It should have been rich people versus Economy experts because i feel the "poor people" felt intimidated to argue beyond a certain point. And also they probably lacked the vocabulary to verbalize many things they should have.

[@vhix64]

^^^ definitely need a redo with the same rich people

[@spaghettisauce-zk2vg]

This would be amazing

[@firehunters9628]

Economically , rich people had pretty much all valid points , because they argued based on the economics of different situations. So getting economic experts wouldn't change that.

[@Astro2024]

@@firehunters9628 no they didn't. You only think that because you haven't listened to a real economist who understands theory and doesn't regurgitate arguments from privilege

[@dahntaedeluna]

YES!!

[@rubeng7139]

The fact that were fighting over an unlimited resource as if it's limited bc the people who make it say it is, is crazy.

[@DearAliya]

It is definitely a glossed over fact that many huge corporations and rich celebrities DO in fact take advantage of cheap labour in under-developed countries to further expand their wealth. And to say "Well, at least they have a job even though the pay is disgustingly low" is insane.

[@wonhyuk86]

This was a really interesting discussion. I hope next time you would invite rich employers and their/other companies' low rank employees. It'd be interesting to hear the perspectives of both sides, especially of the employees about their labor policies, salaries, and other stuff.

[@emilysilva3596]

This is a great idea!!!

[@Nionix123]

That's how mf's get fired, sounds like a conflict of interest for the employer, they already know they're in the wrong.

[@arianawalker1602]

Love this idea !!!!

[@callmehalimede6831]

Yes!! I would absolutely tune in for that. I think it’d be an interesting interaction to see

[@frostgarcia5257]

Agreed

[@simpleplanfan011]

It’s the way the “rich” people look at the “poor” people. There’s just a lack of empathy that is coming from them and it’s just sad to see.

[@vanessaalbuquerque4709]

If the poor are literally telling you you’re a bad guy and didnt deserve your money, yes. You should lack empathy towards them.

[@Otome_chan311]

@@vanessaalbuquerque4709 How do you make money without exploiting people? It's impossible. You *must* be immoral and evil, exploiting people, to acquire any sort of wealth whatsoever.

[@elijahcarter2435]

And the “poor” people are looking at the “rich” people as if they are evil and exploitative. I think it is important to remember that the “rich” people in this episode all came from poor backgrounds so they have first hand insight into the issues and the challenges that poor people face. The “poor” people in this case do not have the same insight into the lives of the rich

[@GeorgeWKush213]

empathy for what?😂 david said he is going to organize a union to be paid more at his job in disneyland. he seems like a decently smart guy so i don’t why he can’t just take some night class at his local community college, get an associates degree and work as like a dental hygienist or sum making 80k a year😂 I have no empathy for people who talk their tail off about how the system is rigged but have no desire to escape poverty

[@paulrios7294]

@@vanessaalbuquerque4709 exactly

[@ArtOfMoney1]

Please do this next: Rich vs Middle Class vs Poor

[@adelenefiscu7614]

The love of money is evil. Despite the valid arguments presented, one particular aspect stands out: the accumulation of excessive wealth through exploitative means is unnecessarily cruel. The question arises as to why an individual would require a billion dollars. Why as a society are we being influenced by materialistic values that lead us to be consumers.

[@sebastianf6499]

It's frustrating how the "rich" don't recognize the fact that nepotism exists within many industries like the music industry or entertainment industry which makes it harder for someone's talent to be recognized if they haven't come from a well-known family or the fact that many people who are wealthy are heirs or heiresses of families who have generational wealth from avoiding paying taxes for generations (I even remember reading a story of how one millionaire or billionaire even admitted how spoiled his children are).

[@hopeintruth5119]

@@andrewfreeman88 He never said nepotism was only in economic class but the rich people in the video. Don't recognize it and ignore it.

[@Ntantosthereal]

This exists everywhere but I dont think its systemic. It has always been "human" to hold certain people higher due to their lineage or mentors simply because they will probably be more qualified for certain things whether its about education or connections

[@johnlangdonrumph8854]

A big part of working to become successful is making sure your family will be too. Doesn’t mean that there isn’t a place for someone else too.

[@krbourne]

Nepotism is real, but a lot more well off people today are self-made. They were early adopters in things like the internet and bitcoin.

[@poocrayon4588]

Reads like a comment from someone who failed as an entertainer and is making excuses for themselves. Plenty of actors and successful music artists don’t come from families “in the biz”. If your an entertainer then you would do it for the art, not because you hope to be a big shot.

[@eri7411]

I don’t think these people understand how hard it is to get recognized for your talent. There are millions and millions of singers, artists, dancers, filmmakers, etc., out there who have yet to be discovered. And it’s often because they don’t have that built in wealth other celebrities have- I’ve been writing music almost my entire life, and I’ve been recognized for my talents yet still have no opportunities to sell my work because I can’t afford to produce it. There are so many factors that play into income.

[@kayrealist9793]

You right. And sometimes it's simply because the artists music just sucks and the markets are glossing over them.

[@Euphoryaaa]

Damn it must suck seeing the Island Boys making millions while you with talent have yet to be recognized

[@SpidermanUndercover]

Exactly. I just watched a video titled “why all your favorite celebrities have rich parents” and it talked about how Hollywood doesn’t even care to find actual talent these days. They just cast people who are born out of nepotism.

[@NickVetter]

There is lots of talented people and it's a risk to spend your money to make it in the music industry but if it does work out you can become very wealthy. It's just like how people invest in other things.

[@JohnDoe-rg4tl]

that's because talent is not the only thing that gets you to the top. The things you listed are the extreme exception. Most millionaires dont become millionaires that way.

[@zacharyglass6886]

If you closed your eyes and listend to each person talk about their view of the world, you can probably tell who is successful and who isnt with fairly high accuracy.

[@LClaus]

$130k a year isn't a whole lot, depending on where you live. Why was she on the rich side?

[@BeautyCharmer1120]

“Do you think some people don’t have the same access to choice?” Yes. That is exactly the issue here. Because we live in a market society, the access to goods, education, healthcare, well-paying sustainable jobs, proper nutrition etc, is far more difficult for those who are poor. People should not have to choose between sending your child to school or feeding your family.

[@baeseulgi1742]

they should not have to but unfortunately you have to

[@disciplewill7696]

Don't have children then, plan ahead, and once you've saved enough money then have a family.

[@wellfuckit9936]

@@IIII...... my mom had that plan then my dad died so stfu

[@DavidNunezPNW]

Well said

[@TheMrMacintosh]

@@IIII...... Bro are you insane? First of all, I think it's laughable that you think middle class people can survive on a single income. But secondly, let's not forget that these people who aren't middle class do jobs that NEED to be done. Some people have to work in a grocery store or have to clean toilets in order for society to function, you realize that right? So all of these people who do necessary work are now just forbidden from having kids? Not only is that fucked up but if that really happened the population and the economy would absolutely CRASH. The economy's job is not only to provide production but also to provide REPRODUCTION so there is a steady supply of labor. Go study some econ 101, you buffoon.

[@sophiar3247]

hanifa is really admirable. living homeless, having such trauma, having to flee her home and family. i really hope she gets stability in all forms, and just has a nice life in general.

[@indietof]

yeah, but she also claimed Islam to be a cult and promotes pedophilia. That is like saying 1.8 billion people are pedos....

[@Sally615-]

@@indietof im muslim and its just the villagers are crazy

[@rabbit716]

@@indietof The fact that you say that, in spite of everything she went through, shows me that there must be something “cult” like about all of these religions. This is not a time to defend Islam. This is a time to be a compassionate human being and simply wish her a nice life and stability. That’s it. No “buts”. I have a feeling she will be just fine…

[@lettuce258]

@@indietof she said an “Islamic cult” that could have been the Nation of Islam who aren’t even truly Muslims since they believe Allah is multiple gods (or something like that idk they’re batshit crazy)

[@lailayas]

@@indietof omg time stamp? I can’t find it

[@BM-in9xi]

I’d like to order her book. Anyone know where I can find it.

[@Lee-px4pk]

There is a lot of entitlement here, laziness and victim mentality. I'm not rich because I'm not driven not because of any system. Take accountability.

[@tonyisnotdead]

oh yes, im sure that you aren't rich only due to not being driven

[@juniper617]

I absolutely believe the system is rigged against the poor, even though my partner and I make about $400,000 a year. I’d like to know how they’re defining “rich,” though. One of the “rich” people makes $130,000 a year while another makes $10 million. Those are very, *very* different situations.

[@boku955]

@Dan Wruck In my opinion, 135k is rich and above. I'd say she was rounding down, but she'd be close to that figure, I'd say she JUST qualifies lol.

[@rotisserie8444]

@Dan Wruck it is thi

[@parisholmes9129]

@Dan Wruck definitely depends on where you live, West Coast or north East in my opinion that's not near rich at all. Where as in the Midwest or some southern states that's beyond plenty my mother made $40,000 at the most a year along with debt and we always had everything we needed I really just comes done to your lifestyle imo

[@shivanih8918]

@Dan Wruck It definitely is rich. It's well off. Obviously it's not millions, but it's more than enough. Edit: and the definition of poverty varies country to country, and varies even between cities in most countries.

[@shelleygreyrealtor]

In California, it's middle class.

[@tinagoli2022]

wow, what a non-controversial topic! hope nothing goes wrong!

[@mex5355]

Lol 😂

[@Jobe-13]

😂

[@Iturrisoga]

Clueless

[@jacksonk6293]

its better than "astronomers vs astrologists," this at least makes you think.

[@EricaShady10171972]

@@Iturrisoga you.

[@Juliana-kv5ij]

Lolol David and the other business woman at the end, I’m glad I kept listening 😂 25:20

[@tissuebandit6681]

What did they say? I cant properly hear them

[@rafaellevai-razso4157]

they forgot to mention that not everybody can become rich, there a lot of talented, self discipline people who wont get as much money that they deserve

[@skellymom]

The fact that the people refer to life as "The Game" where there are these unspoken rules that can make and break a life with possible misery, poverty, and even death and not bat an eye or question challenging the ethics of it is pretty fucked up.

[@stealthis]

And then you have the guy who thinks that paying 0 taxes shouldn't be enough to label him as a bad guy.

[@chloebgrd840]

Exactly.

[@ovrthemoon5309]

i literally wanted to scream this through my screen, but ofc the people benefiting from “the game” would have no reason to question it in the first place

[@Ntantosthereal]

Its not its just realistic. We cant pretend its not like that or that it can change

[@Ntantosthereal]

@@stealthis it shouldnt

[@Michellesvintagelibrary]

The rich people were dominating the conversation with voice, body language, and aggressiveness. I didn’t feel like there was a real exchange of ideas happening. This one really hurt to watch because the poor people were being dismissed and overpowered, and not by solid arguments or facts, just by personality.

[@awrebyawe]

Imagine how they treat their employees, they must be awful to work for.

[@klaiellordez2054]

No they were not, especially the one Poor guy David, he was very aggressive and over powering some of the rich people.

[@waitwhat7354]

@@awrebyawe Ah yes getting paid $50 an hour must really suck

[@awrebyawe]

@@waitwhat7354 nice to know what your self-respect is worth

[@ruqayyahi9082]

@@klaiellordez2054 hes angry, rightfully.

[@joymontague251]

One guy talking about how he takes risks with his money and his parents didn't doesn't say whether they were responsible parents and maybe gambling on risks wasn't something they were going to do raising children. He also said his dad died poor, so it sounds like he really didn't help his parents even though he is successful.

[@wildewildestrawberries]

Powerful episode

[@eklectiktoni]

Bill kept talking about people who "create value" and then went on to dismissively talk about his mother who was a schoolteacher. If a person who dedicates their entire life to educating the future generations isn't creating "value", then I don't know who is.

[@mshbeatbox]

For school teachers its goverment who decides the teachers value. For companies it is the owner. There is difference.

[@skellymom]

Bill sounded like a total tool.

[@comebackcodplayer8248]

Teachers are deeply underpaid no matter how much adults say education is important.

[@ondrejcerny3928]

It depends how many people you create value for. If you teach or work at a restaurant or in a factory, you create value for those few people that you impact with your work. If you develop a software or start a company that produces products than millions of people buy, you are creating value for millions of people. Rich people (at least those who are selfmade and honest) are rich because they made more valuable transactions with other people. If I sell you something and our benefit from that trade (in monetary value) is 1 dollar for each of us, and I do this with million people, then I have a million, but it does not mean I took it from people, it is the opposite, million people have a dollar thanks to trading with me.

[@eklectiktoni]

@@ondrejcerny3928 By that logic, how much value then, did the people who educated people like Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs create? Those men didn't learn the things they know out of thin air. They became successful because they learned from others and went on to apply that knowledge. "If I had never [taken] that single calligraphy course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts." - Steve Jobs

[@maevadim4548]

The record label guy that makes 10 million a year threw a tantrum at a guy for saying record labels "exploit" artists and workers (which they do especially sound engineers), yet he agrees that 15 dollars an hour is more than enough for minimum wage, WOW.

[@vl3525]

Wow, you are so right!!

[@RockinLoud360]

So many contestants from X factor and AGT have been exploited by record labels.

[@nicolems]

hes a fool

[@pimp-simp5414]

It is enough if u aren’t gunna be buying iPhone each year if u aren’t gunna buy the newest car it is enough I do think u need a little more but my mom gets paid 24 dollars a hour and we are more than enough

[@maevadim4548]

@@pimp-simp5414 you probably live in a suburban area where the rent isn't %75 of your paycheck. Most minimum wage workers don't have cars, and live paycheck to paycheck. (I don't even live in the US, the cheapest car here is around $17,000 beacuse of customs)

[@celeelaroque389]

I think that the point David was making toward the beginning was that labor theft exists HEAVILY in billionaires and multi-millionaires. You cannot realistically work enough hours and perform enough labor individually in a company to earn billions, that profit is derived from the thousands of underpaid workers that facilitate those processes and products. Wealth hoarding is ridiculous in this country given that our capitalist society favors these major corporations where the CEO rakes in millions, if not billions, off of the minimum to mid wage employees who made it happen. I don't believe that all rich people are bad, but ethically and morally, billionaires should not exist.

[@bpj1805]

For once, an episode where nobody has me yelling at my screen.

[@shaybearden9438]

“Getting paid pennies vs no job” That is so sad. People need to be paid fairly for their labor, not just be content with a non-livable wage. That was such a terrible take.

[@briceterronez]

If a job doesn’t contribute much value to the market and is low skill, it doesn’t get paid as much. It’s economics

[@AC-ri2ph]

@@briceterronez millions and millions of people get what they need to bc of those ppl. The pandemic showed you in high definition. With everyone losing their minds and begging minimum wage workers for their coffee and their packages, you saw the value it created.

[@briceterronez]

@@AC-ri2ph just because millions and millions of people use, say, McDonald’s, doesn’t mean they should get paid more. There are THOUSANDS of McDonald’s around the world. Not just one providing service.

[@dawnguinto]

@@briceterronez McDonald's has got enough money to have a thousand branches but not enough money to pay their workers a little bit more? Okay. Lmfao. McDonald's is worth an upwards of 100 billion dollars. To give you an example of exactly how insanely large of an amount that is 1 million seconds is 11 days. 1 billion is 31 years. 100 billion is 3000 years. 3000 years ago was pre-roman empire. That's how long ago that was. 100 billion's an absurdly incomprehensible concept of number/ammount to grasp.

[@briceterronez]

@@dawnguinto yeah, you know where the money goes? To the corporate McDonald’s employees who do the most for the company. I’m not hating on fast food workers as I was one, but cmon, you shouldn’t get paid 40k to fry food. Take out student loans and go to college. I’m in debt for student loans but I know it’s worth it in the long run because that degree will allow me to earn more money.

[@ryuteez9218]

wow, when one of them bought up minimum wage workers and the rich people said “yeah but its better compared to no job” ….I nearly cried

[@Islander05]

He is not wrong!!

[@ryuteez9218]

@@Islander05 he is

[@sockswitheels]

@@Islander05 its also worse than living a normal life where rent and groceries are not something to worry about as a part of your natural human right to..live?! The direction of comparison comes strictly from the level of privilege you have in an unfair world. Next time when you pay for your groceries and the overworked, stressed out about rent cashier doesn't smile at you, dont come complaining about it.

[@alixander9401]

My mouth dropped

[@karimjanissyllamelchior1367]

If it is not better than not having a job, why did these workers take the job?

[@Flip784]

“If you’re gonna pay me minimum wage I’m going to give minimum effort”. Buddy, the people above you have MORE RESPONSIBILITY than you which is why they make more. Hippi just shows up puts in no effort and demands they fund him to go play guitar by a campfire

[@coltonsnider7482]

I'd like to see something like rural vs. urban. When I watch these videos (I think they're great), I see city people saying things that have been told to them during their sensory overload phase as children. There aren't enough people that are self-critical or perceptive enough to come to a conclusion in the areas you are drawing from. I have a college degree and am well-versed on most-sorts of opinions.

[@philein]

I love how some of the rich people are saying that the economy is a “game”. Its peoples lives we are talking about, that shouldn’t be a game.

[@Islander05]

The entire animal kingdom disagrees with this comment!! Life has ALWAYS been a game!! It was a game BEFORE humanity even existed!!

[@philein]

@@Islander05 but aren’t we as humans more evolved than animals? I feel like we should at least have compassion.

[@holyheathen435]

It's a game in the sense that there are rules that govern causes and effects (rewards or penalties)

[@simpleplanfan011]

You are correct. Anyone who disagrees with you severely lacks empathy.

[@raymond8967]

I can feel and observe the 'game'. And honestly, it depends on you if you would join that 'game'. As for me, I would just wait for maybe about 3 years, if our country would become better before deciding on playing that shitty game. However, ur humanity would really start to deteriorate..

[@thnead]

I’m baffled that some people have the audacity to say that being poor is a choice lol

[@starkapoorz]

Being poor is not a choice. Staying poor is 100% your choice.

[@aubreybooker8566]

@@starkapoorz YES!

[@pizzermaster1145]

I was shocked

[@gyosob7265]

@@starkapoorz that's such a western way of thinking abt things

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@gyosob7265 thats how capitlim should be there should be routes out of being poor

[@sweet_tee_vibes]

Hannah is going to be okay I can see it. With or without their help

[@inelaa]

Rich people have room to think about feelings, poor people are trying to have food on their table tomorrow. I couldn't go to college because I didn't have the money for basic stuff like rent, food, books (I live in a country with very small job oppertunities).

[@user-sj4wl9sz7o]

the fact that theres a dude with a 10 million dollar salary and someone whose homeless in the same room makes me so upset. i really hope everyone who needed help in this video got it.

[@johnjill4355]

Not a salary 🤣

[@TK-cg4ks]

@@johnjill4355 income, big difference.

[@whyparkjiminnotridejimin]

@@MaryBeth321123 Yeah another reason the US sucks.

[@zidane2761]

@@whyparkjiminnotridejimin *capitalism, but also America yes

[@user-sj4wl9sz7o]

@@rileygshep7606 i know you did not just say that rich people have more problems than poor people bye

[@QueerCripple]

Poor is not a choice. I am disabled. I am not ALLOWED to save up money, or else will lose my healthcare, income, literally everything. I am FORCED to be in poverty. Anything I do to try and lift myself out of poverty can instead place all of the costs of my life into the shoulders of my family. The U.S. government has LITERALLY forced me, and millions of other disabled Americans, to be in poverty. It's all we are allowed to know. Anyone who says being poor is a choice is delusional, and I don't mean that as an insult or diagnosis, it's just you literally have been brainwashed into the illusion that this is a choice, and I hope you can extract yourself from this delusional mindset.

[@QueerCripple]

Also, love this content. I love being able to hear from the other side. I learn things all the time and don't hate wealthy people or think they are immediately immoral and unethical people... the circumstances you grow up in and exist in just change your perspectives so much. I can't stay mad at people for not knowing an issue is a thing that exists.

[@aabahdjfisosososos]

No they have not. Ever heard of the ADA?

[@nifemialpine]

@@AmiriHipHop exactly...there are people who arent physically capable...its not a choice for them...

[@michaelarndtjr.44]

As someone who is also disabled, I know exactly what you mean and you are not alone.

[@QueerCripple]

@@AmiriHipHop I think I would still stay poor because when I see others in need, I help them. I've paid bills for friends before, things like that. Because of my personality and desire to help others, I think I would be incapable of building wealth simply because I couldn't imagine seeing friends and family struggling while I have money... so I get what you are saying, I just feel that this mindset exists sometimes because people haven't even considered factors like "the government will literally punish me for earning money" at all. Hard to factor in when it's not something people are aware of. People tell me to monetize my art or channel, but don't understand that if I ended up earning $400 extra in a month instead of $349, I could lose EVERYTHING and be required to pay back months and months of government aid. They can't factor this in when they don't know about it... so this is the illusion I am referring to.

[@danielafelix9856]

This one is my favorite episode

[@jay-t1030]

4:55 in that moment he was thinking “Damm bro, $50 / hr are you hiring?” 😂😂

[@Sophie-qh1vu]

Bill’s point about minimum wage is exactly what David was saying - just because someone is willing to do a job for $7 an hour doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be paid minimum wage, you can’t exploit someone’s desperation for money to your own benefit, and then convince yourself they’re “willing”. No sir, they’re oppressed and desperate.

[@yvettecamas5332]

What he is saying is some jobs are not worth paying 15 dollars an hour.

[@seanmachlan3282]

He wasn't saying the exact, same thing. Bill's point was that not all labor is worth 15$ per hour. And if the minimum wage is set at such a high wage, then you eliminate all of the potential opportunities for the labor force that are worth less. It becomes no longer possible to take a job that is worth less than that new minimum wage. Nor is it possible to offer one at that lower rate. Which means that the job likely disappears or gets absorbed into another position. Which still eliminates the total number of jobs available.

[@wombat4583]

@@yvettecamas5332 Why not? The living wage is more than that in a lot of places. What creates 'worth' when there are many jobs under that that destroy your physical and mental well-being.

[@specs4307]

@@wombat4583 every jobs has physical and mental stress connected to it, and I think logically its divided up pretty decent. A doctor has a lot more mental stress than someone who sells cars, hence a higher pay.

[@chaneljai4804]

Perfectly stated!!!🔥🔥🔥

[@zeynoaksit8635]

"You think because it's the law, it's okay"? WELL SAID MY GUY. I feel like some of the rich people in this video kept ganging up on him, but he made some valid points that they just completely disregarded.

[@mirrorball1]

it's not illegal but that does not mean it's ethical

[@claudiax233]

Yep. They were pretty unfair to him. But he was right.

[@emmainkeri7497]

Exactly, he was my favourite in this episode.

[@stealthis]

The rich group does not know the phrase "spirit of the law" at all. Sure, you can get out of paying your taxes if you jump through a bunch of loopholes, but why would there be taxes on the book in the first place if they never planned for you to pay for them?

[@stealthis]

@@claudiax233 it's a parallel to Marxism in general how wealth creators see the lower class

[@KingEazie]

one thing i realized is rich people always seek for understanding poor people always complain

[@bradleyhowell4155]

Whats funny is when they say they provide value by assuming risk which is true but then the government bails them out when they fail. So really they are getting paid and not assuming the risk theyre paid for

[@dylangriffin4230]

These are not government officials or billionaires they're talking to. Nobody there would get any help from the government if their business failed, lol.