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0:00 intro
0:31 the transgender movement is indoctrinating our youth
7:03 I am comfortable sharing bathrooms with the other side
15:21 the ability to give birth is a woman's strength
23:29 trans women should be allowed to compete in women's sports
30:40 gender dysphoria is real
35:28 I have been sexually harassed
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[@CycloneofChaos]

I have an idea for a middle ground episode: Conservative turned Liberal vs Liberal turned Conservative

[@applefly8]

That would be interesting. It would be nice if they can be around the same age too!

[@Snookered4568]

Love this idea

[@ceeIoc]

Conservatives rarely turn liberal.

[@waNErBOY]

@@ceeIoc for a reason

[@noahnordenstrom3175]

@@ceeIoc no its quite common.

[@RayneClouds10]

You should do Trans people vs De-transitioned people

[@Melissa-gh6wg]

YES

[@lakeshadavisld]

Oooh. This would be a GREAT one.

[@ramenwithaliens5431]

Oooooo

[@Xuurls]

I agree

[@BriaGrowsFood]

PLEASEEEEE YES

[@Pickles466]

Blossom is actually crazy. One minute she says "Can you provide statistics, if you can't then it doesn't count" and then literally immediately after she says, on the same point, "I don't think you need statistics, its all about lived experience" 🤣

[@elenawilliams32]

And Blossom also said that if given the statistics they wouldn't believe them anyway as they'd be fudged. (if they were unfavorable to the issue) But hey, we're all uneducated. Blossom was the only educated one... According to blossom. 🚩👀

[@tnmsfl2007]

Don’t forget to mention, she kept dismissing and dodging perfectly valid arguments like the race transition comparison. She was like “that doesn’t apply, it’s comparing apples to oranges”. Effing insane. I love everyone, but I have little to no respect for these characters.

[@Pickles466]

@@tnmsfl2007 Yessss!!! Literally!

[@bellaveillard1595]

I was looking for this comment!

[@anon2427]

Blossom was also completely and factual incorrect on her sports take especially

[@kodabear6879]

who keeps bringing blossom back to these debates😭😭

[@keelymac8651]

Honestly ?!!! I just watched another one of hers and in the comments most people were urging them not to bring her back so they must be doing it on purpose

[@ferwoodz]

Fr she’s the worst

[@MajoDaArtist]

Who’s blossom

[@x_n_x_gal9161]

Comedy gold

[@gabagool25]

for the entertainmet lol

[@BraziBros]

Blossom: Can you cite statistics to back that up? Amala: No Blossom: Then you’re wrong. Amala: Can you cite statistics to back up your position? Blossom: Statistics don’t matter.

[@sulaykaj7386]

I chuckle 🤭

[@shaly642]

Thats what I was sayinggg

[@neter8445]

😂😂 classic can’t make this up

[@Ashley-wv1dl]

Tell me the statistics don’t say what you want without telling me 😂

[@AnotherEmi]

I think she asked for statistics because Amala said she believed in science (probably quantitative research) and kept mentioning studies without actually stating how significant the results of those were. Blossom, however, is not basing her arguments solely on quantitative research but also on personal experience and I think she probably values a qualitative point of view more. My point is, if you prefer or only believe in quantitative research then you should be able to back up your claims with the actual statistics. But if you lean more towards qualitative research, statistics are not as relevant.

[@spilledsalt4862]

The way Blossom asked for statistics from Amala and than immediately said it isn’t about statistics as soon as she was asked for her own is genuinely hilarious.

[@SmittenandBitten]

Exactly, if it was me I would have immediately laughed. And be judged by the host 😂

[@sabrinamendes9342]

She keeps contradicting herself. I agree

[@Lena-ig7jx]

typical hypocritical attitude of a lot of these people. Gina really shone through as a voice of reason.

[@ghazalsalehian]

And the fact that she thinks other people are just simply uneducated

[@minecraftvvg4250]

She couldn’t debunk those claims with stats so of course the only thing she could do was bring up that “ Ok it’s not about stats y’all “.

[@laurenisuwu]

as a trans person myself, i love how amala is so respectful when she makes an argument. maybe im wrong, but ive never heard her talk over and push aside anyone

[@SavvyMuhon]

She’s super intelligent and gentle. I do not always agree with her but I respect her

[@raikarichter7678]

Have you ever seen her shorts on yt? She often seems really judgy and disrespectful. But yeah, she was really nice here.

[@Disparatist]

@@raikarichter7678Well yes, that is the objective of shorts is to build attention. Often if you go to those same videos you’ll find that she isn’t actually being disrespectful

[@SavvyMuhon]

@@raikarichter7678 Well it’s a short. Shorts are usually inflammatory and there isn’t enough time for context

[@delanivalles911]

I can not wrap my head around why they keep bringing Blossom to these debates… she can’t answer questions directly and if not all the time almost always diverts from the main talking point. I just want to be able to listen to a proper debate without having someone spew out wtv they feel like saying based on how they feel omg.

[@amandarios448]

Me neither blossom is just insufferable

[@anceledusstorm7534]

She?

[@GneTelevision]

@@anceledusstorm7534 don't.

[@noodle6679]

@@GneTelevisionhe

[@KrystalJuffa]

Blossom just sounds ignorant lol

[@seijibohn5039]

The amount of times blossom tells someone to be educated while also not being well educated herself is astonishing

[@koreanbeaulo9529]

*himself

[@clumsy_zebra_97]

​@@koreanbeaulo9529 herself* you don't have to agree but you're still wrong :)

[@zachman5150]

@@clumsy_zebra_97 Don't conflate social constructs with biology, by suggesting that trans women are women. It's patently absurd and totally incorrect. Women aren't a social construct; trans however, IS. Those are men Your cult narrative is rejected.

[@nyembezidilema9178]

In Africa we don't tolerate such nonsense... Men are men and women are women. Nothing in between

[@reedharrington6954]

@@clumsy_zebra_97 himself*

[@callmetiff1042]

Blossom demands everyone to acknowledge her as just a women and not a TRANS-women, yet when another woman tells her she doesn’t want to be called Cis-woman she refuses that notion🙃 Respect is a two-way street miss ma’m💁🏽‍♀️

[@redfogwhitefrost2583]

I laughed at the "trans women are trying to erase womanhood" notion as ridiculous years ago. I've since been proven wrong.

[@ruthadiscipleofjesuschrist1788]

lol! "miss ma'am" cracks me up everytime its said

[@littlepoodle7443]

The irony of that is how they were calling themselves “biological women” the whole time, which literally means cis-woman. I feel like they were on the same page in some aspects, but the language barrier made it seem otherwise.

[@lolalopez7657]

​@Little Poodle , because we have been forced to have to make that distinction which is ridiculous. These are men who choose to look and live as women and who swear that they are women. SO women are forced to have to say "biological women", to make a distinction. when we shouldn't have to.

[@katychadd4321]

I think the whole thing would be much more informative without her pressence

[@LARIJASMINE]

I actually want to see Blossom and Candace Owens in a conversation 😂

[@gracekainessie7629]

She’s too weak for Candice. She will chew her so hard and spit her out!

[@Carolina-iy8xd]

Omg it would be the funniest thing ever

[@analeahgotay-heart854]

it happened ! Conservative Trans Women Vs Liberal Trans Women !

[@LARIJASMINE]

@@analeahgotay-heart854 with Candace Owens ?

[@analeahgotay-heart854]

@@LARIJASMINE totally read that wrong. I am sorry, i thought you said Blaire White

[@staceyvaughn8103]

I really like Roxana, she’s a complete sweetheart and gets her point across with intelligence without snarky comments.

[@ferwoodz]

Yea! She’s so cute.

[@LittleGreyWolfForge]

@@ferwoodznaw that’s just weird

[@ferwoodz]

@@LittleGreyWolfForge ?

[@once.upon.a.time.]

She was lovely, very thoughtful and careful with her words

[@ferwoodz]

@@once.upon.a.time. !

[@angelkaate]

Blossom is so argumentative and backs absolutely nothing she says with actual facts or statistics.

[@tokyonobara]

*he

[@eleventyseven3742]

If you're going to respect Blaire White's pronouns, please respect Blossom's

[@abbysuarez8551]

@@eleventyseven3742At least Blaire has more than 2 functional brain cells

[@rebeccaspratling2865]

That's her brand though. 😂

[@MartenFerret]

*he

[@chileshemwansa07]

Blossom literally contradicted herself so many times

[@tonyajordan2702]

You mean himself. Lol

[@HapticFrequencies]

Blossom is not very smart...

[@henrydavel1440]

23:28 his team disagreed with him 😂😂😂

[@blackwinter963]

That joka said: Do you have statistics to back that up? *Next breath: I don't trust statistics. 😑 🙄🥴🤣🤣

[@jasminehall9542]

Yes he did

[@StonieBlaze]

On a side note Gina gives Mrs doubtfire vibes and I absolutely love it 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[@emilyharvey6076]

There is no such thing as “cis” women. It’s just “women”.

[@CyanideAndSeratonin]

Real

[@CyanideAndSeratonin]

Real

[@baozixy5514]

well thhere is

[@xandranicholai7301]

You’re wrong

[@koucha_katze]

it just means not trans like if it was medical stuff that would be kinda important yes?

[@jadarahn3509]

Blossom didn't want to be disrespected with terminology but had no problem disrespecting the woman who didn't want to be called cis.

[@jodicelesteee]

This!!

[@CeeJay254Art]

So true

[@ramy8338]

cis is not an insult , ironic when conservatives say trans people are snowflakes

[@hewanhaileslas1066]

@@ramy8338 it doesn’t matter!

[@jadarahn3509]

@@ramy8338 It was to the straight woman.

[@Banan_31]

Blossom really be like ”womanhood is about uplifting other woman“ and then proceeds to do the opposite

[@carrington2949]

😂😂 😂

[@beautifullym3863]

😂😂😂😂 Trans women are a joke if I’m being honest 😂😂😂

[@charliee1087]

My thing is, you can do all of that in manhood too. It’s called being a decent human being.

[@SnailFig]

Because he's not referring to women HES REFERRING TO MEN.

[@michaelturley8222]

Blossoms never said a genuine sentence in her life.

[@christinanielsen9445]

I really liked the way that Amala and Aliya got their points acrossed - respectfully and facts-oriented, and seems so educated and empathetic! Blossom on the other hand is just so combative😳 and confronting. She doesnt come across as very likeable.

[@christinanielsen9445]

That said, Im not agreeing with everything Amala or Aliya says.. I very much aknowledge the trans-community!

[@ariamason9324]

Because he's male, he acted like his biological self.

[@nonsense2146]

Aliya calmly says the most insulting things possible without raising her voice-how civil of her

[@AnelaEllaEh]

Blossom always whips the race card out when in doubt 🤣

[@olive9160]

I’m sorry but Blossom is one of those examples of people who ruin things for everyone else. They were trying to have an ADULT conversation and Blossom kept getting upset over people trying to get their point across.

[@MarshOnWalkOff]

Safe space time for you

[@countbrass30]

when you're faced with three people doing the same its tough to keep your composure

[@zachman5150]

@@MarshOnWalkOff As it turns out, the prerequisite to being a woman is being born female and those dudes weren't. Now you know... Cope and seethe if you must

[@007mooo6]

I couldn't even reason what she was saying😔 she kept not answering the questions

[@MarshOnWalkOff]

@@zachman5150 Bless your heart, you're confused between sex and gender. It's ok. You've been indoctrinated that way. It's sad, really, that you weirdos are so concerned with other people's genitals. It's as if you're fixated on them.

[@itsnemosoul8398]

Honestly, we just need a conversation between Gina and Amala. Those two were actually trying to find middle ground!

[@ava1772]

agreed

[@quackson7532]

Roxana too she was amazing 💜

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@quackson7532 haha

[@Someone-uf6nu]

fr!!!

[@chucklima4763]

I agree with you but Gloria is confused

[@someone-338]

“Who defined that truth?” *biology..? 💀*

[@ralucapoanta2342]

According to them you need to ask them about their reality and accept it being yours. Nonbinary delulu.

[@baozixy5514]

?

[@AllendeEtAl]

Biology has very little to say regarding gender, which is a social issue

[@ralucapoanta2342]

@AllendeEtAl biology has everything to do with it, and say about it . If you wanna call yourself a tree , go ahead, but don't force that on the 90% of the rest of the population. You are all a bunch of snowflakes, life is hard as it is, grow a pair . Have some common sense and self aware. Deal with what ever your dealing in mental health. Gender is not assigned at birth you are what you are.

[@coolgirlfrozenfeet]

Uh…SCIENCE. Real science, not what people might pretend is science. And science does not disagree with the Bible.

[@DieselJT]

Roxana and Gina seem pure hearted and it was a pleasure to hear from them. Blossom not ao much.

[@mary1412]

Blossom: nice dodge Also blossom: dodges every question and answers it with something else

[@puffdaddy69]

“Get mad at Webster” Wtf does that even mean? I’m supposed to be mad at a dictionary? 😂 please help us

[@mary1412]

@@puffdaddy69 make it make sense 😭

[@KingStr0ng]

Hypocrites always quick to accuse you of the very things that they are doing themselves.

[@sharonsmith2771]

@@KingStr0ng transwomen are conmen.

[@stephaniepayne259]

you noticed that too?

[@missyenglish1]

Blossom seems like the type of person to purposely lose an arm wrestle against a woman to prove that women can be physically stronger.

[@eeee8479]

LOL

[@veegn]

I was thinking the same during her talking 😂

[@champigranja1179]

"You don't know if I am stronger than you". Girl, you could feature Mr. T in a movie.

[@caitlyncarmona5881]

@@champigranja1179 oh no 🤣 out of line

[@joyce_zhong]

“TIS BUT A SCRATCH” energy…

[@jessicaelliott-lawrence4582]

I felt a pang in my heart when Tiffany became speechless trying to speak about her experience with the inability to have children. I am also unable to have children. I have lived with that knowledge for over a decade. A piece of me will always grieve that loss.

[@raymibraden]

From what I have seen, the pain of not being able to have children, when a woman wants to, is one of the absolute hardest things to deal with. I can only hope that you come to a point where your grief can be replaced with joy and peace ❤❤❤ I wish you all the best

[@itsaiysha13]

Blossom pissin me off in every debate 😂

[@missthomas8754]

Trans people like Blossom will be forever be the reason why the community gets soo much push back and hesitation to acceptance

[@rachelseo319]

Exactly 😂

[@faconda4364]

Exactly! I notice Jubilee seems to pick the worst of us to represent : /

[@jolasia925]

💯💯💯

[@kefisher7218]

transphobia is the reason the community gets push back. hope this helps

[@yeww406]

@@kefisher7218 behavior like blossom's is one that enables transphobia

[@hotgirlscooby]

as a Trans girl myself, Blossom didn’t represent us well at ALL bc you can tell she wasn’t there to converse, she was there to argue and it just made me upset

[@alexiswhitfield1796]

Fr

[@MichaelClifford2020]

Ur gay don't be delusional! Please save yourself before you lose your SELF!

[@zachman5150]

There is only 1 kind of woman, and she's born female. Get help

[@tslilbearshoppe9870]

I think she came around. I think she is the type to wear her heart on her sleeve. I am straight by the way. I support all people

[@jackkeown6370]

I second that

[@Koj839]

Blossome claiming to be a woman, and yet disrespecting real women and womanhood is unreal. Blossome will never truely understand the beauty, gracefulness, and struggles of a real woman.

[@batlover2003]

It’s not a competition

[@elenawilliams32]

That wasn't a 'competitive' statement by the OP. Blossom wants to be acknowledged as a 'woman', not a male identifying as a transgender woman, yet when one of the women said she just wants to be called a woman, Blossom continued to call her 'a cis woman'. Blossom only sees their point of view as correct. The only educated person in the room who felt they could explain womanhood to women. The irony wasn't lost on me and thousands upon thousands of others in the comments. It's definitely not a competition as women and transgender women are vastly different... And that's okay.

[@zachman5150]

@@elenawilliams32 That dude is unhinged from reality.

[@elenawilliams32]

@@zachman5150 Yes. They think that the majority of us will be 'educated' into believing that men identifying as trans-gender women are the same. We're vastly different... Which is stating the damn obvious. Statistically over 95% keep their 🍆. The very thing that women don't have. Take care mate.

[@xandranicholai7301]

@@zachman5150what dude? There’s no dude

[@unicornrainbow4760]

"Youth in general are having sex at a younger age, let"s face it." Tbat"s the freaking point dude.

[@plants4ever354]

Applaud to Gina for actually trying to find common ground unlike Blossom

[@LaurenHustedt3]

Or Amala

[@RoshanDC]

@@LaurenHustedt3 true amala tried to find middle ground

[@vincentalexander4603]

@@juicysmolliette2852 dude, people like blossom are soo cringe it mentally hurts to hear them talk.

[@FM-dm8xj]

he was defintely a great person.

[@deneara]

@@juicysmolliette2852 no way she was not willing to listen to people opinions she was eww

[@wmak8421]

Blossom is the epitome of being guided by emotion rather than logic

[@800cherries3]

there is nothing logical about conservatives

[@cristynohara]

She's so defensive about everything

[@800cherries3]

@@cristynohara well to be fair it’s because she’s more emotionally invested into this topic. being a trans black woman is probably insanely rough so her feelings are valid.

[@blessing5891]

@@800cherries3 why did you have to add the " black "as if other tran races aren't facing their difficulties.🙄

[@tammy5466]

@@blessing5891 because being black in America is different from being any other race in this country. There are difficulties that come along with it.

[@jaimedelreal7255]

i can't believe this is even a real debate.

[@jacksong671]

blossom saying “let’s be very clear” and then saying the most incoherent statement possible is so funny and ironic

[@MaryKat2]

Lmao yes 😂

[@minellasalonen8546]

I got annoyed by the bathroom question: as I understood it, the conservative woman was not saying that TRANS people in the female bathroom was ever the problem for her. The problem was men FAKING being trans females to get in. She wasn't blaming trans ppl, she was explaining a by-product that could happen.

[@gnclight2108]

It’s not what could happen, actually happen recently. In a high school…

[@catsmom129]

@@gnclight2108 wherever you find humans, you’re gonna find human predators. That has nothing to do with trans people.

[@Erika-be9hq]

I don’t care for the bathroom scenario because people who are bent on committing crimes or taking advantage of people will find a way to do so. By this idea, there will always be a “byproduct” of all situations. Volunteering is an example. A byproduct of allowing volunteers at a school could be approval of people who may want to harm or abuse children. This byproduct argument isn’t a strong one. I’d just rather a woman say that it makes them uncomfortable to share a bathroom with a transgendered woman.

[@yeilyn24]

@@Erika-be9hqBathroom and locker room are two different things. Are you okay with both? Or just one?

[@heatherplaton370]

But it was clearly stated that this issue can happen without restrooms being for trans people. It happens either way. Aliyah may not have the “sophistication” of the bi racial girl but it doesn’t make her point less valid. She also explained that she wanted to end that point as it is easy thing cis gender people like to say when that’s not the case.

[@crazynicesonya]

Blossom so disrespectful to the opponents, that’s insane. She continues using cis term and it’s so offensive, but don’t you dare to put a label on her, she would call you transphobic. It’s so upsetting that blossom doesn’t care about her opponents feelings, but wants to be respected

[@Meow-mn8ip]

persona cis promedio:

[@arizia6199]

@@Meow-mn8ipbut their speaking facts. Blossom is a narcissist and it shows, she is manipulating and gaslighting everyone around her.

[@marcarce592]

Those are the types you just ignore.

[@Lu_os1]

@@Meow-mn8ip u will never be a reall women 😂

[@Meow-mn8ip]

thanks, i’m not a woman actually 😜😜😜

[@bellaw150]

everytime i see blossom in these debates i roll my eyes

[@bsm8962]

I’m at the point in the video where i’m fast forwarding as soon as blossom starts to speak

[@asianchad8610]

Blossom: "if you can't throw out the statistics, we're not doing enough of the work" Also Blossom: "we can talk about statistics and research all day long, but it's about experience"

[@nathankgabi7401]

While ignoring the experience that Gina just explained

[@theunseen3]

This!!! Then when Amala asked Blossom for statistics in return, Blossom had none. The raging hypocrisy

[@nathankgabi7401]

@@theunseen3 it's really mental disphoria mixed with extreme narcissism

[@shalierjackson6672]

That was the wildest exchange i have ever seen

[@Beansquee]

I caught that too

[@abdullahkuzhan7247]

Blossom made this very difficult. She contradicted herself multiple times, accused others of doing so instead, she dodged questions and her arguments were so ridiculous. Completely delusional and ignorant. Pure headache. Amala and Gina a pure blessing on the other hand.

[@lotusgrl444]

That is usually what happens whe you do not have any rational basis to back up your position...

[@DigitalLambchop8]

I felt bad for her actually. The passion is there but you can tell there's a disconnect in her communication skills. I don't think it was fair to sit her in this discussion. Her experience is 100 percent valid though!

[@zizzybaby3695]

He is just not making any sense

[@noth1ngtoseehere]

@@zizzybaby3695 Respect for saying “he.”

[@vi891]

27:21 had me dead 🤣🤣🤣 Blossom: "do you have the statistics? If not your argument is invalid" Amala: "do you have the statistic?" Blossom: "no I dont believe in statistics anyway."

[@rxsie1478]

Both Gina and Amala were so respectful, you can disagree but still respect each other and other’s opinions.

[@ElanieBellanie]

Roxana's voice is so sweet 🥺

[@Exxy6965]

Blossom: "Can you provide statistics that trans women have advantage in sports?" Amala: "No, there's not enough research done but we have plenty of real-life examples like Lia Thomas. But can you provide statistics about the opposite being true" Blossom: "Welll actually, statistics are bullshing, it's all about the experience" Are you kidding me? Does she ever watch herself debate? Does she read the comments? Either she's completely delusional or doing this for attention.

[@massivepassive]

FYI, Leah Thomas tied for 4th place. 3 cis gender women still beat the trans woman in that race. That's often overlooked.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

​@@massivepassiveFYI, Leah Thomas wasn't even top 100 as a male, so.... That clearly gave a massive advantage. As a guy, in my weight class if I competed in Power lifting, I wouldn't even place. I could come top 3 in a woman's competition in my weight class. The woman's 400m track world record has been beaten by hundreds of high school boys

[@Veronica-tk9rl]

Both

[@SnailFig]

It can be both, and please stop pretending you forgot that's a MALE, with a self proclaimed powerpuff girl name. HE is no she and NEVER will be. Not ever, even for a broken second. His mic needs to be shut tf off, Permanently. He needs to stop being called to these because his mentality is SMASHED DONE.

[@wardrums1511]

Yeah, he's completely insane. Of course he doesn't make any sense.

[@Cj-jr7js]

Blossom is that person who thinks white straight people are the public enemy. Gina is awesome. Well educated

[@donovinharris7140]

Lol umm reach

[@megangosiak1489]

​@@donovinharris7140not really. They were VERY quick to throw in white supremacy. And very quick to discount everyone else's lived experiences.

[@bauerlikoloki]

@@donovinharris7140you must not have actually watched then, because it’s not a reach.

[@GangsterInternet]

@@donovinharris7140 Certain people can't handle criticisms of their teams to where they object basic observable reality, case in point here

[@9395gb]

Blossom is also jealous of biological black women. The majority of biological black women are not supporting the "transwomen are women" mantra. This is most coming from straight whites in particular white women.

[@daus6035]

Oh Tiffany my heart goes out to you ❤

[@blondebody5187]

Rock on Amala!! Always bringing the truth!

[@SoccerBallerina8]

I love how Blossom responded by saying "I would call that dodging" whilst not answering the question asked and dodging the question.

[@hushdolll5112]

Exactly.

[@hushdolll5112]

Exactly.

[@cherry_blossom12345]

yup 👁️👄👁️

[@khrisstake2210]

😅

[@kiyohiko222]

lmao fr, you gotta love how blossom was like "if u cant throw out the stats we're not doing enough of the work" then was asked by Amala if they could produce stats on how the bone density of biological men changes after they take hormones and if it ends up equaling the average biological woman's levels, but immediately resorted to saying "no its about experience and mY tRUth" (26:58 - 27:35 ) LOL

[@PegasiJay]

I laughed out loud when Blossom asked for statistics then backpedaled and said they don’t matter 😂 there’s no way.

[@nicholasclarence]

Why can't they live somewhere where everyone is like them and we normal people don't have to coexist with the circus?

[@jsibley7163]

@@nicholasclarence very “American” and “freedom country” thing for you to say

[@nicholasclarence]

@@jsibley7163 Very American indeed to state my opinion (free speech). People that are mentally insane should not have a voice in politics. There is zero upside for me or any sane individual. Straight pride worldwide, thank a straight couple for your existence.

[@breecoward2289]

I didnt see her give statistics Maybe I missed it.

[@woodydro386]

It's because they will never win in a facts game. Men won't ever be able to get pregnant. Only women and women cosplaying as men.

[@Kijahlovex]

I love Aliya! Very well spoken

[@melissamdillon]

So glad to see people just Talk and share their ❤s. I wish this would happen more often.

[@r2dnl]

Hearing "I've been sexually harassed" and seeing ALL of them waking up it's just the saddest thing I've seen in my week

[@cherry_blossom12345]

I was harassed in 8th grade by a couple of boys joking about gr0p!ng me (I wasn't touched, but the main boy was an inch from me). it was at YOUTH GROUP. an adult was like 10 FEET AWAY. and SHE didn't do anything about it. this all is disgusting. what the heck.

[@r2dnl]

@@cherry_blossom12345 I'm really sorry that you had to go through this, i hope you are better today, harassment is really a terrible act. I hope you're doing better nowadays, peace.

[@cherry_blossom12345]

@@r2dnl it's ok. thank goodness he didn't touch me, he was just invading my privacy and being a jackass with his friends. still, I have it so much better than others. we really need to talk about this more in middle schools. stay safe. 🔐

[@JoshuaMartinez-xe2xk]

@@cherry_blossom12345 I wish i could've had a word with him. Not okay. 😤

[@ThatBigRedBear]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure almost everybody has to some degree. Its messed up.

[@a.randolph8112]

Blossom is a gaslighter. Amala did exceptionally well with her debate and keeping her composer. I really enjoyed listening to Gina's story. I like her

[@sophiemitchell8086]

Him …. They are men . No matter what they do to their bodies .

[@saikohart3058]

@@sophiemitchell8086 why intentionally disregard and disrespect ppl ?

[@sophiemitchell8086]

@@saikohart3058 I speak the truth whether someone likes it or not . They are delusional. It’s simple .

[@zachman5150]

@@saikohart3058 Respect is earned, and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable. Embracing objective reality is to discern fact from fiction. There's only 1 kind of woman,and they're all born female. Now you know

[@hithere5005]

Yeah I noticed that too. I’m surprised given how difficult it was for to wrangle Beethoven that she was able to keep him under control so well. I mean Bach was so poorly behaved throughout this whole thing, you’d think that lady wasn’t even trying to keep him controlled. Maybe she needs to do a “keeping your composer” lesson for the rest of the people in the room.

[@brantpadmore1395]

What these trans people wanted just make up new words and new things and then shame the women into accepting it. This is the most ridiculous conversation I’ve ever heard in my life.

[@elenawilliams32]

When Blossom was explaining to women what womanhood means- No. Just NO! Over 95% keep their 🍆. I don't want to share a locker room with people who have one, no matter how they identify. I'm not alone. Just look at Planet Fitness over the past week. The public has spoken.

[@muchlovewithyou8174]

Exactly!

[@sandygarrett8638]

I just ran across these discussion and I am loving it. Thank you all for speaking to what can be taboo subjects that some of us are not allowed to speak on.

[@YanillePVP]

Jubilee needs to make sure everyone involved in these discussion are articulate and prepared, so tired of seeing bad arguments poorly displayed because no one prepped.

[@LaurenHustedt3]

This this this

[@td4700]

I'm sure they are told about it ahead of time. Some people take it serious and do their research and others only want to speak from a place of feelings or experience.

[@VegasElement]

"Blossom"

[@Idolbottle]

I think this is more about having an average person’s point of view, so basically not knowing what they are talking about lmao

[@one-seventeen.rev310]

Those who dont hold conservative views are never really prepped. It not jubilees fault.

[@liagiba8108]

Blossom: "you're dodging the question" Also Blossom: *dodges the most questions*

[@israepilgrym3526]

THANK YOU!!!!

[@katemartinez8896]

No

[@thegoodnews6682]

Literally what I said during the beginning clip!

[@allenrosado2866]

@@gloriabenitez5627 she*

[@katemartinez8896]

@@gloriabenitez5627 she***

[@flippaclipanimations1933]

I love this video, it shows that people on two different sides can just have genuine conversations and laugh with each other

[@Amatureb]

If Blossom wasn’t here it would be such a great respectful discussion

[@6macanudo]

Blossom is the perfect example of why there will never be major progression with this topic. Blossom is incapable of understanding the difference between facts and reality vs. feelings.

[@Mamalee]

This 🎉

[@Ash-yt1eh]

Also assuming that everyone is obsessed with genitals, as well as incorrectly correcting people... "the term you mean is cis woman" when in fact the point was that biological females are capable of giving birth. That includes females who transition into men. No uterus, which only biological females have, regardless of how they identify, means there is no way to give birth.

[@timmywitty1432]

It’s called narcissism.

[@hardball4165]

Who gave birth to her.....😂😂😂him she whatever 😂😂😂wow

[@carlyschrock1936]

THANK YOU

[@danoyse8233]

I get people like Gina. She’s calm and puts a rational perspective on this issue. Blossom seems very defensive and looking for an argument.

[@Ali-gh6js]

And conterdicting himself with each turn even at the start he talks about schools and drag and teaching sex to kids then he says “well whos teaching kids that?” Thats so ignorant of blossom

[@jtarantula3390]

@@Ali-gh6jsalso ignorant of Aliya being afraid of teaching kids about lgbt at a young age, eventually they’re going to come across a gay or lesbian. It’s about teaching your kids about letting people love who they want to love and to be respectful and tolerant. As long as no one is getting hurt.

[@wisefries4205]

@@jtarantula3390 IMO it's not about fear of them knowing about LGBT people, it is fear of no moderation. You should be able talk to your own kids about this instead of schools and other children. I have seen instances where people in middle school who were "different" from their peers for being straight, or liking certain things that is tied to an opposite gender (e.g. male kids liking the color pink), are being called queer, and they go on to question their sexuality as a result.

[@duartsy]

@@wisefries4205I think kids questioning their sexuality is miles better then queer kids growing up feeling alone and hating themselves because they don’t know lgbt people exist. If a straight kid is going to question their sexuality as a result of teaching kids about lgbt the most that can happen is them kissing someone of the same gender and realizing immediately that they’re straight

[@Lulu-xo9eg]

​@jtarantula3390 💀💀 bro this is crazy

[@josephinesybers9981]

Amala I love her standpoint and I agree with her on many things. Her stand point about women and pregnancy. Yes trans men can get pregnant but they are still biological a female and you can’t change your Chromosomes. I love that she is saying facts.

[@samanthalidster3838]

Then the lady said she wasnt using the term correctly that they are cis women not biological women but she was talking about people born women that dont identify as such. So she was literally using the term correcting while the trans women was not lol

[@wildewildestrawberries]

Blossom always swerves of topic to maintain control of the discussion.

[@elitablum]

True male actitud

[@joshuabertrand9277]

Blossom: do you have the statistics? Also Blossom: the statistics don't matter, it's about experiences!

[@HurricaneLisa]

Blossom is highly confused! Maybe that’s why…. 🤔

[@skylar4775]

She accused Amala of dodging when she dodged that question herself. She’s not only confused but also hypocritical.

[@daniellatroyer3597]

Blossom made no sense this whole video

[@nashi._.7563]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who caught that. Blossom was being hypocritical several times. Everytime is accused someone of “dodging” she herself was dodging

[@MsDudette21]

also love how she thinks the transracial argument isn't the exact same when it is. any reason against transracial is the same for transgender. but that makes too much sense so she just dismissed it

[@Ruushii]

Amala: says literally anything Blossom: “and I took that personally”

[@champigranja1179]

Blossom needs urgent therapy. I can't believe that a middle aged adult keeps on arguing like an illiterate adolescent. It's also funny that is the only one who agrees on trans women competing in women's sports. I mean, look at her body, she could feature Mr. T in a movie.

[@shavaneciagriffiths9845]

fr😭😭😭

[@Stanz1lla]

@@shavaneciagriffiths9845Agreed, Blossom only spoke out of defense for the trans community mostly, but some of the things Blossom spoke kinda confused me and indulged me.

[@anyaashcroft1944]

it is pathetic, honestly

[@KingStr0ng]

Blossom? Nah, that's Brock. 💀

[@captain_bong2667]

im not giving my kid (when i have kids) a phone until they get into highschool or even halfway through school (or im home schooling depending on how the curriculum is in 9 or more years) because i dont want my kid to be indoctrinated from the school systems

[@virgobutcaye]

there isnt any indoctrination by the school system. the problem lies within you, you dont want your child to be exposed to normal things.

[@ariamason9324]

I love ❤️ Gina, very authentic and respectful and level headed.

[@itnotme6700]

The fact Blossom is questioning whether predatory men will take advantage of women’s spaces… is already saying a lot. I don’t have to explain my women friends what’s like being a woman, how you have to be afraid and hyper vigilant all the time because if you can’t prevent something from happening to you, it will be your fault (if you survive it anyway). The mutual understanding happens seamlessly, there’s no question. But when I’ve tried to explain to men, whether family or friends, they call me crazy for being afraid, for wanting to prevent any potentially dangerous situation with males from happening, and Blossom is questioning women the same way *There are men who do understand women, or at least don’t invalidate their experiences and fear towards men, but Blossom is acting the same way men who don’t understand act

[@pianocat5955]

Like Gina said. Men can take advantages of women's spaces without the presence of trans women. Blossom was talking about trans women, even though she was being asked about cis-men dressing up as women.

[@Honeydipdani]

Because men cannot know or feel as a women feels about the subject. You would have to be a woman to understand the unspoken truth.

[@manletopia4801]

Men have it harder than women which is why alot of men are transitioning to women

[@zachman5150]

@@pianocat5955 There is only 1 kind of woman, and they're ALL born females-- making the use of 'cis' entirely irrelevant and useless

[@Cynthiaa315]

I personally think these predatory men are going to take it advantage , whatever there is a chance. They wait to see when someone has vulnerable and they take advantage of that. Being trans doesn’t give you a free pass for being a creep.

[@arykachrystana6937]

Blossom asking for statistics while not once providing any of her own sent me over the edge. Amala was such a breath of fresh air.

[@afkmo1579]

Literally.

[@harleyhendrix8467]

@@oof6205 nope .."he trying to be a her"

[@harleyhendrix8467]

@@oof6205 ok. I thought that that's what you could have meant but then the way you wrote it with nothing else to explain it I then thought that you were saying "her" as in that's what he is so we should respect that and call him a "her". So I do apologize. I am so sorry that I assumed that and I should have atleast asked you first. So I do apologize

[@askosefamerve]

@@oof6205 Yeah. Her. That's her pronoun.

[@MrTriple3D]

@@harleyhendrix8467 you could have also just read the comment he was replying to?

[@Bmoon8907]

I find it interesting that Blossom constantly says the other side is “dodging” and instead of answering a question directly asked to her that is her reply… aka dodging.

[@backtobasics137]

I came back here for the drama and for the laughs, keep bringing Blossom back for these debates.

[@audrey99yearsago7]

i applaud Gina and Amala for really trying to find common ground, that’s what makes a debate actually enjoyable.

[@robloxian2285]

no its not 🤣

[@sabrinamitten1363]

Lmao I love your username 😂

[@alexisnash8105]

@PipKirby it’s to see the other side rather than sticking to your side all the time

[@carsonmyers2258]

I love how they both were trying so desperately not to start a fight but the radicals on both sides had a problem with it, these were true woman and I love that

[@stunnedmulletblah9714]

@@alexisnash8105 you can't actually miss them. They're very visible and very loud

[@danaelopez7259]

Blossom is still clinging onto the male privilege she was born with. 💀

[@jesusmywholehaschanged]

He's not a white cis male, so he won't consider it privilege.

[@Je-suis-en-minorite]

“HE “ was born with.😁

[@rileythesmiliest]

@@Je-suis-en-minoriteSHE is a woman. her gender is female, her sex is male. two different things.

[@-FSY-]

There is no privilege

[@rileythesmiliest]

@@-FSY- males have privilege..

[@BatJoe12]

Amala's face whenever Blossom tries to answer a question is just GOLD

[@MajoDaArtist]

23:52 everything out of blossoms mouth makes me wanna scream “please take your own advice!”

[@allyrose7459]

I was so touched when Amala acknowledged how much Gina must have struggled throughout her life.

[@camillakulikova8505]

while actively engaging in rhetoric that perpetuates said discrimination 🤣🤣 she is silly

[@rusokana3642]

@@vikkidonnhave you watched any of Amala’s videos? Lol.

[@suds-p]

@@vikkidonn I haven’t heard of Amala’s work before but I’m interested in checking it out and learning more about her positions. I will say personally, she gave me a slightly bad first impression by the way she went about discourse. Specifically during the statistics conversation about women’s sports. On one hand she claimed statistics were not relevant when discussing how trans women unfairly outperform against cis-women, but then later said there’s “overwhelming” evidence that this is the case so I was confused how she was trying to defend her position. And when they talked about gender dysphoria, I was a bit concerned about how she kept pushing the idea of “blind affirmation” which sounded like there should be no conversations with people at all when they feel at odds with their biological state? I could be misunderstanding what she meant though.

[@aldanfac3404]

@@suds-p In reference to what you said about that statistics, I think she was referring to evidence but couldn’t actually reference the exact statistic when Blossom asked for the statistic on it. I think she then went further asking Blossom to give stats to illustrate how it’s a double standard.

[@suds-p]

@@aldanfac3404 That’s definitely possible. I didn’t want to make assumptions here so when she said stats aren’t relevant I took it to mean that’s what she truly meant. If she did have statistics and studies that she understands to support her point, I would think saying “I don’t think that’s relevant” comes off as a weak response personally? I will also say, I didn’t like it when Blossom brought up wanting statistics in the first place, because Jubilee debates don’t seem like the best environment to get into the weeds with that sort of thing. Plus, there’s more angles to discuss on the topic of women’s sports outside of just numbers as I think Roxana was trying to introduce.

[@TheRareCriticalThinker]

“It takes integrity, it takes courage, it takes lifting women up…” you can literally define men this way as well.

[@hellomotto7169]

Just goes to show the issue is rooted in mental health issues or gender roles.

[@thatcringeythingyoudidin6t792]

True

[@princessarielv]

yes of course men can be defined that way but women are oppressed in different more damaging and violent ways than men and with women's movements empowerment is important and women need it more than men its equity for the suffering women have endured

[@TheRareCriticalThinker]

You mention violence, which I get women are at a physical disadvantage. However, violence is overwhelmingly men against men.

[@carro6171]

​@@TheRareCriticalThinker yeah but we get attacked bc they see us as little dolls to "play" with. Rape is much much worse than mens streetfights. I've seen brutal rape victims and what happens later. I would rather have all of my bones broken.

[@Tina-Trinity]

A crush in 3rd grade is not about sexuality or gender.

[@musinggc]

Loved how open-minded Alena, Roxanna, Tiffany, and Gina were about everything! We need more conversations like this!

[@mzsbubblezs]

Blossom is an example of a person that makes it hard to have these conversations with and why many refuse to

[@KaringtonJeanelle]

Yeah Blossom Listens to reply.

[@kathleenmckeithen118]

He is so utterly deluded that he cannot be reasoned with.

[@dnahubs]

I agree and I believe that whatever gender Blossom would have identified as she would have been just as difficult to have a productive conservation with because of her "holier than thou" attitude.

[@DimitriTheBarbarian]

He is as much a Blossom as I am a Ballerina

[@The_fun_fam]

@@kathleenmckeithen118 gross reply

[@flexorcist30]

I honestly think that Trans like Gina and Women like Amala are those sections of their respective demographic that can help bridge the divide. You cannot expect both sides, to fully jump to the extreme side

[@Keith-yf9wq]

Men telling women what it takes to be a woman is completely mindblowing to me. We are being mindfucked in America.

[@Jhudomat1]

28:52 DAMN!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!! How can you argue that?

[@justmaris48]

Blossom : bring up statistics…. Everyone else in the room : * brings up statistics* Blossom : ohh well it’s not about statistics it’s about experience It’s sad how misguided these people are. Lord help them.

[@kimialeachman3122]

This world is a delusion 💀Lord needa hurry up and come back

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

the problem is j blossom

[@amrobear]

1 out of 3 trans persons here made a mockery of themselves with their argument. Please don't say "these people" grouping them as all the same when the majority of the ladies in this video were well stated and backed their views with grace and respect.

[@serengede]

Most trans people are fine. Probably more than two out of three

[@fable_enthusiast]

​@@kimialeachman3122 you're a delusion to think great guy in the sky is gonna come back😂

[@Burlykim13]

Blossom is that person who talks like they’re the smartest person in the room yet to everyone else they’re the opposite. She’s actually damaging to the trans movement imo because she will not be respectful nor follow her own advice. Over talking and preaching about respect while continuing to be blatantly disrespectful is why people just don’t even want to bother having the conversation,unfortunately.

[@DaisyM]

That's what a lot of these trans people who are very radical in their beliefs do, they don't realize that they're damaging their own cause.

[@Skyv111]

He's being very... MASCULINE (in the wrong way) about it, indeed.

[@Skyv111]

@@DaisyM they couldn't do otherwise though! something that, from the core is contradictory can only give as fruit contradiction. He could never really aid his cause if based in TRUTH, since that cause inherently goes AGAINST truth.

[@ihateithere9298]

He likes attention

[@neverleft636]

Seems like “toxic masculinity” to me 😂😂

[@universera2187]

Even the term “trans women” is deeply disrespectful and demolishing for women

[@garrettb4783]

how can you feel safe around sharing a bathroom but not comfortable?

[@hxjdko.bbyudje]

when ayla asked roxana how she defined womanhood and blossom answered i was disappointed bc i was really looking forward to roxana’s input

[@mariatown95]

I really do want to hear someone say something other than "I know I'm a woman because I know I'm a woman".

[@ktwiz2666]

Blossom: What is the statistics in that? Also blossom: We don't need statistics, we just need feelings.

[@idkwhattonamemyacxount88]

I was literally so shocked by that 😂

[@nerd5]

sounds like youre actually quoting what amala said DIRECTLY before what blossom said lmfao

[@tigerl21]

@@nerd5 This also happened in a convo she had with Buck (transitioned male) in another video. He had info and receipts for the issues that were discussed, and Blossom still wouldn't accept it.

[@nerd5]

@@tigerl21 then i suppose that's blossom's issue, but in the context of this video, amala did the exact same thing, so it doesn't make sense to hold her to that standard

[@dapo3538]

@@nerd5 I think you need to rewatch that part. Amala did not have the statistics prepared with her for the debate but appealed to common sense between the bone densities of male and female athletes and how they are different. Hormone replacement therapy can never rid a biological male of his advantages over female athletes who aren’t on drugs. If Amala had the statistics present she would have presented them. Blossom said the statistics were necessary then turned around and said statistics aren’t valid, but instead EXPERIENCE is needed. However Blossom disregarded Gina’s experience as a large, strong male in junior high. Blossom also tried to insinuate she wasn’t physically stronger than Amala which is LAUGHABLE 😂

[@user-uu4ci8zr2v]

How is Blossom not behind bars. The way he she it i don't care is excited about recruiting children for her dangerous movement sent chills down my back.

[@abie4230]

I almost feel bad for blossom. The oblivion is outstanding

[@70spoem]

loved the way gina was carrying herself and presented her opinions without attacking or discrediting the other side. would be interesting to see a one on one conversation between her and amala

[@thijmstickman8349]

Other side wants to take away her rights, why would she not attack or discredit those arguments?

[@dearphia]

@@thijmstickman8349 because you can get your thoughts and feelings out without argument. arguments cause unnecessary violence

[@Miss_Witch13]

@@thijmstickman8349 cause by attacking someone else’s values you look like a hostile person, who would want to listen to a person who does nothing but attack you? By having a civil conversation you can speak your views without them being completely discredited cause you were being disrespectful

[@thijmstickman8349]

@@Miss_Witch13 This is on camera. Their goal here is not to convince the other side because them probably being political figures themselves they're pretty fixed in place already. Their goal is to get across the message that the oppression trans people are facing is not okay. To do this they must discredit and attack the transphobic arguments their opponents are making. The values the opponents have are monstrous, and get in the way of the goal of trans rights. Btw this fundamental incongruity between trying to get people to have a middle ground while in reality hosting a debate show is why every episode becomes more and more cut up and frankinsteined. They cant let people finish their points because then it wont sound like any of them are trying to reach a middle ground anymore.

[@thijmstickman8349]

@@dearphia The arguments the transphobes make is causing violence to be inflicted currently. I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice (MLK quote, replace black with trans and you got it, attacking transphobes arguments needs to happen.)

[@spencer6044]

Blossom saying we really need to be educated when she speaks nonsense is amazing

[@greggory4604]

Blossom speaks so much nonsense

[@monzus]

Blossom should use her tulips to stfu

[@oohEuphoria]

She should educate herself on wigs

[@skillbopster]

*he

[@ismaelvelazquez7776]

He it's a he

[@Mine_547]

This is so painful seeing all these people going through what they having to face

[@Hulana42]

Jubilee, the title is clickbait. I watched the entire video to see what would be said in regards to periods and womanhood. No discussion of that whatsoever. Not cool.

[@xaviero8678]

Gina was very eye opening for me, extremely nuanced, super respectful of people who disagreed with her.

[@frenchibristianbok8847]

Yea Gina was mad chill I respect her

[@bambiholmes]

how can you be EXTREMELY nuanced?

[@bettyb9734]

She often agreed with the other side though

[@sophiephillips7961]

@@bambiholmes I am also curious?

[@xaviero8678]

@@sophiephillips7961 I didn’t put emphasis on the word when I wrote it, it was just my train of thought. Quite a charged word now that i think of it.

[@aaronmilburn2788]

amala's facial expressions whenever blossom talks...💀

[@clauaome25]

Same as mine. 🙄

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

me ong

[@marzipan25]

Yeah, Blossom is very delusional and very disrespectful. Example: the women there already told her they don't want to be called cis anything but she keeps persisting that is the correct term. Biological women are just women.

[@kinariuu]

Lmao, blossom is annoying as frick, idk why she even asks questions when she already has "answers" to everything. Gina is really wise, she/he really showed me a better light of trans people, cuz gina actaully cares about kids innocence

[@Shynestarlight2013]

Blossom looks like Lamar James DONT COME FOR ME ITS TRUTH AND WANTS TO BE CALLED A WOman? Lol

[@Addison-RN]

This is what is frustrating, HOW Do you think someone transitions to another gender? WHO is coming for them? Do they have magic wands that turn kids into the gender they want the second they say they want to be that gender? Like how fast do you think this happens? As a nurse with a background in psychology, I have noticed that individuals who express opposition or fear towards the indoctrination of their children and transitioning often lack a comprehensive understanding of the process. The transitioning process involves specific steps that must be followed, despite common misconceptions. It is not as simple as a child deciding to transition without further considerations. Unfortunately, some individuals overlook these necessary steps due to fear or ignorance, which should be taken under the guidance of medical professionals. Ethical guidelines emphasize the importance of informed consent and comprehensive psychological evaluation before starting any medical interventions. For the child's best interests, a multidisciplinary approach with mental health professionals, endocrinologists, and pediatricians is recommended. Each case should be assessed individually, considering the minor's mental health, family support, and readiness for medical interventions. The main objective is to ensure that any treatment given is in the minor's best interest. There is significant scientific evidence supporting the positive mental health benefits and overall well-being of transgender minors who receive gender-affirming care. It is essential to prioritize understanding this process to achieve the best possible outcomes for these individuals.

[@jdees4]

Somebody at Jubilee must be conservative. Great content for the most part.