Trans vs Conservative Women: Are Periods Essential to Womanhood? | Middle Ground

[@RayneClouds10]

You should do Trans people vs De-transitioned people

[@Melissa-gh6wg]

YES

[@HeavenlyLifeOnEarth]

Oooh. This would be a GREAT one.

[@ramenwithaliens5431]

Oooooo

[@Xuurls]

I agree

[@BriaGrowsFood]

PLEASEEEEE YES

[@CycloneofChaos]

I have an idea for a middle ground episode: Conservative turned Liberal vs Liberal turned Conservative

[@applefly8]

That would be interesting. It would be nice if they can be around the same age too!

[@Snookered4568]

Love this idea

[@ceeIoc]

Conservatives rarely turn liberal.

[@waNErBOY]

@@ceeIoc for a reason

[@noahnordenstrom3175]

@@ceeIoc no its quite common.

[@BraziBros]

Blossom: Can you cite statistics to back that up? Amala: No Blossom: Then you’re wrong. Amala: Can you cite statistics to back up your position? Blossom: Statistics don’t matter.

[@sulaykaj7386]

I chuckle 🤭

[@shaly642]

Thats what I was sayinggg

[@neter8445]

😂😂 classic can’t make this up

[@Ashley-wv1dl]

Tell me the statistics don’t say what you want without telling me 😂

[@AnotherEmi]

I think she asked for statistics because Amala said she believed in science (probably quantitative research) and kept mentioning studies without actually stating how significant the results of those were. Blossom, however, is not basing her arguments solely on quantitative research but also on personal experience and I think she probably values a qualitative point of view more. My point is, if you prefer or only believe in quantitative research then you should be able to back up your claims with the actual statistics. But if you lean more towards qualitative research, statistics are not as relevant.

[@issabelladeggendorf6444]

roxana is great, she's very respectful and makes her points so thoughtfully. i'd love to see her in more jubilee videos instead of blossom lmao

[@izzydumont6985]

this!!!! she’s very calm, lets everyone speak and overall respects all opinions. she seems really nice

[@kcp2713]

His*

[@Nicole-mf2ys]

True

[@Ebkthegodly]

It’s a dude

[@Tektosunny]

Shes so great

[@spilledsalt]

The way Blossom asked for statistics from Amala and than immediately said it isn’t about statistics as soon as she was asked for her own is genuinely hilarious.

[@SmittenandBitten]

Exactly, if it was me I would have immediately laughed. And be judged by the host 😂

[@sabrinamendes9342]

She keeps contradicting herself. I agree

[@Lena-ig7jx]

typical hypocritical attitude of a lot of these people. Gina really shone through as a voice of reason.

[@Ghazalwluv]

And the fact that she thinks other people are just simply uneducated

[@minecraftvvg4250]

She couldn’t debunk those claims with stats so of course the only thing she could do was bring up that “ Ok it’s not about stats y’all “.

[@seijibohn5039]

The amount of times blossom tells someone to be educated while also not being well educated herself is astonishing

[@koreanbeaulo9529]

*himself

[@clumsy_zebra_97]

​@@koreanbeaulo9529 herself* you don't have to agree but you're still wrong :)

[@zachman5150]

@@clumsy_zebra_97 Don't conflate social constructs with biology, by suggesting that trans women are women. It's patently absurd and totally incorrect. Women aren't a social construct; trans however, IS. Those are men Your cult narrative is rejected.

[@Theforce8888]

In Africa we don't tolerate such nonsense... Men are men and women are women. Nothing in between

[@reedharrington6954]

@@clumsy_zebra_97 himself*

[@SlaySoulSister45]

Blossom: Can you throw out statistics to back that up? Amala: No, but I don't think I need to because seeing people's experiences is enough. Blossom: If you can't give me statistics you're wrong, and aren't doing enough Amala: Can you give me statistics to back up what you're saying? Blossom: It's not about statistics, it's about experiences.

[@-AxisA-]

Could someone timestamp the parts these were said at?😆 I watched the video during a couple of days in like atleast 3 takes, like I had to quit watching it 3 times atleast, before I now got to the end, so I have no idea when they said exactly those things😅

[@SlaySoulSister45]

@@-AxisA- It’s at 26:31. You may have to back it up about a minute or so to get the context a little bit. This is also not verbatim what is said. It’s more of a summary of the conversation they have :)

[@WakandaleezaRazz]

Mr blossom is a wild dude

[@lucybellehennessy8160]

I could listen to Amala and Gina discuss things with each other all day. So respectful. Both sound well educated. Didn't let their feelings sway fact. Much respect to both of them

[@starlaoutlaw7926]

Yes!

[@olive9160]

I’m sorry but Blossom is one of those examples of people who ruin things for everyone else. They were trying to have an ADULT conversation and Blossom kept getting upset over people trying to get their point across.

[@MarshallllWalker]

Safe space time for you

[@countbrass30]

when you're faced with three people doing the same its tough to keep your composure

[@zachman5150]

@@MarshallllWalker As it turns out, the prerequisite to being a woman is being born female and those dudes weren't. Now you know... Cope and seethe if you must

[@007mooo6]

I couldn't even reason what she was saying😔 she kept not answering the questions

[@MarshallllWalker]

@@zachman5150 Bless your heart, you're confused between sex and gender. It's ok. You've been indoctrinated that way. It's sad, really, that you weirdos are so concerned with other people's genitals. It's as if you're fixated on them.

[@minellasalonen8546]

I got annoyed by the bathroom question: as I understood it, the conservative woman was not saying that TRANS people in the female bathroom was ever the problem for her. The problem was men FAKING being trans females to get in. She wasn't blaming trans ppl, she was explaining a by-product that could happen.

[@gnclight2108]

It’s not what could happen, actually happen recently. In a high school…

[@catsmom129]

@@gnclight2108 wherever you find humans, you’re gonna find human predators. That has nothing to do with trans people.

[@Erika-be9hq]

I don’t care for the bathroom scenario because people who are bent on committing crimes or taking advantage of people will find a way to do so. By this idea, there will always be a “byproduct” of all situations. Volunteering is an example. A byproduct of allowing volunteers at a school could be approval of people who may want to harm or abuse children. This byproduct argument isn’t a strong one. I’d just rather a woman say that it makes them uncomfortable to share a bathroom with a transgendered woman.

[@yeilyn24]

@@Erika-be9hqBathroom and locker room are two different things. Are you okay with both? Or just one?

[@heatherplaton370]

But it was clearly stated that this issue can happen without restrooms being for trans people. It happens either way. Aliyah may not have the “sophistication” of the bi racial girl but it doesn’t make her point less valid. She also explained that she wanted to end that point as it is easy thing cis gender people like to say when that’s not the case.

[@Gracie_19200]

Blossom: nice dodge Also blossom: dodges every question and answers it with something else

[@puffdaddy69]

“Get mad at Webster” Wtf does that even mean? I’m supposed to be mad at a dictionary? 😂 please help us

[@Gracie_19200]

@@puffdaddy69 make it make sense 😭

[@KingStr0ng]

Hypocrites always quick to accuse you of the very things that they are doing themselves.

[@sharonsmith2771]

@@KingStr0ng transwomen are conmen.

[@Ama2024-e2j]

you noticed that too?

[@hime273]

"The terminology has been around forever" 10 seconds later "Don't get mad at us for using updated terminology."

[@wlknonsonshine]

Ha....great point!

[@itsnemosoul8398]

Honestly, we just need a conversation between Gina and Amala. Those two were actually trying to find middle ground!

[@ava1772]

agreed

[@quackson7532]

Roxana too she was amazing 💜

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@quackson7532 haha

[@zainathebestestbestt]

fr!!!

[@chucklima4763]

I agree with you but Gloria is confused

[@missyenglish1]

Blossom seems like the type of person to purposely lose an arm wrestle against a woman to prove that women can be physically stronger.

[@eeee8479]

LOL

[@veegn]

I was thinking the same during her talking 😂

[@champigranja1179]

"You don't know if I am stronger than you". Girl, you could feature Mr. T in a movie.

[@caitlyncarmona5881]

@@champigranja1179 oh no 🤣 out of line

[@joyce_zhong]

“TIS BUT A SCRATCH” energy…

[@abdullahkuzhan7247]

Blossom made this very difficult. She contradicted herself multiple times, accused others of doing so instead, she dodged questions and her arguments were so ridiculous. Completely delusional and ignorant. Pure headache. Amala and Gina a pure blessing on the other hand.

[@lotusgrl444]

That is usually what happens whe you do not have any rational basis to back up your position...

[@DigitalLambchop8]

I felt bad for her actually. The passion is there but you can tell there's a disconnect in her communication skills. I don't think it was fair to sit her in this discussion. Her experience is 100 percent valid though!

[@zizzybaby3695]

He is just not making any sense

[@noth1ngtoseehere]

@@zizzybaby3695 Respect for saying “he.”

[@vi891]

27:21 had me dead 🤣🤣🤣 Blossom: "do you have the statistics? If not your argument is invalid" Amala: "do you have the statistic?" Blossom: "no I dont believe in statistics anyway."

[@Sandwiches0]

How could blossom possibly miss the mark on every single prompt 🤦‍♂️

[@callmetiff1042]

Blossom demands everyone to acknowledge her as just a women and not a TRANS-women, yet when another woman tells her she doesn’t want to be called Cis-woman she refuses that notion🙃 Respect is a two-way street miss ma’m💁🏽‍♀️

[@redfogwhitefrost2583]

I laughed at the "trans women are trying to erase womanhood" notion as ridiculous years ago. I've since been proven wrong.

[@ruthadiscipleofjesuschrist1788]

lol! "miss ma'am" cracks me up everytime its said

[@littlepoodle7443]

The irony of that is how they were calling themselves “biological women” the whole time, which literally means cis-woman. I feel like they were on the same page in some aspects, but the language barrier made it seem otherwise.

[@lolalopez7657]

​@Little Poodle , because we have been forced to have to make that distinction which is ridiculous. These are men who choose to look and live as women and who swear that they are women. SO women are forced to have to say "biological women", to make a distinction. when we shouldn't have to.

[@katychadd4321]

I think the whole thing would be much more informative without her pressence

[@rxsie1478]

Both Gina and Amala were so respectful, you can disagree but still respect each other and other’s opinions.

[@tinaplunkett8795]

Yes.

[@liorcohen1221]

@@rxsie1478 honestly, that was somewhat comforting to see. People are still able to disagree and be respectful of each other, unlike certain members of the panel... And the way amala went "if I can interject here" and gina went "oh absolutely not" and then laughed. It's... Sweet

[@DanielSpace-im2bf]

Amala is a terrible person, shes not respectful

[@IAMTYYMARIE]

@@DanielSpace-im2bf yess she was very disrespectful

[@FlorenzaMusic]

@@DanielSpace-im2bf huh?????

[@Banan_31]

Blossom really be like ”womanhood is about uplifting other woman“ and then proceeds to do the opposite

[@carrington2949]

😂😂 😂

[@beautifullym3863]

😂😂😂😂 Trans women are a joke if I’m being honest 😂😂😂

[@charliee1087]

My thing is, you can do all of that in manhood too. It’s called being a decent human being.

[@SnailFig]

Because he's not referring to women HES REFERRING TO MEN.

[@michaelturley8222]

Blossoms never said a genuine sentence in her life.

[@teacake28]

no one speaks like amala. so beyond impressed by her always

[@Azul-ud9iv]

Like a young Candace Owens

[@angelkaate]

Blossom is so argumentative and backs absolutely nothing she says with actual facts or statistics.

[@tokyonobara]

*he

[@eleventyseven3742]

If you're going to respect Blaire White's pronouns, please respect Blossom's

[@abbysuarez8551]

@@eleventyseven3742At least Blaire has more than 2 functional brain cells

[@rebeccaspratling2865]

That's her brand though. 😂

[@MartenFerret]

*he

[@SoccerBallerina8]

I love how Blossom responded by saying "I would call that dodging" whilst not answering the question asked and dodging the question.

[@hushdolll5112]

Exactly.

[@hushdolll5112]

Exactly.

[@ultimategameredits]

yup 👁️👄👁️

[@khrisstake2210]

😅

[@kiyohiko222]

lmao fr, you gotta love how blossom was like "if u cant throw out the stats we're not doing enough of the work" then was asked by Amala if they could produce stats on how the bone density of biological men changes after they take hormones and if it ends up equaling the average biological woman's levels, but immediately resorted to saying "no its about experience and mY tRUth" (26:58 - 27:35 ) LOL

[@Exxy6965]

Blossom: "Can you provide statistics that trans women have advantage in sports?" Amala: "No, there's not enough research done but we have plenty of real-life examples like Lia Thomas. But can you provide statistics about the opposite being true" Blossom: "Welll actually, statistics are bullshing, it's all about the experience" Are you kidding me? Does she ever watch herself debate? Does she read the comments? Either she's completely delusional or doing this for attention.

[@massivepassive]

FYI, Leah Thomas tied for 4th place. 3 cis gender women still beat the trans woman in that race. That's often overlooked.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

​@@massivepassiveFYI, Leah Thomas wasn't even top 100 as a male, so.... That clearly gave a massive advantage. As a guy, in my weight class if I competed in Power lifting, I wouldn't even place. I could come top 3 in a woman's competition in my weight class. The woman's 400m track world record has been beaten by hundreds of high school boys

[@FIREwithVern]

Both

[@SnailFig]

It can be both, and please stop pretending you forgot that's a MALE, with a self proclaimed powerpuff girl name. HE is no she and NEVER will be. Not ever, even for a broken second. His mic needs to be shut tf off, Permanently. He needs to stop being called to these because his mentality is SMASHED DONE.

[@wardrums1511]

Yeah, he's completely insane. Of course he doesn't make any sense.

[@meganboyle2191]

Amala astoundingly articulate, respectful and empathetic I’m very impressed.

[@chileshemwansa07]

Blossom literally contradicted herself so many times

[@tonyajordan2702]

You mean himself. Lol

[@HapticFrequencies]

Blossom is not very smart...

[@henrydavel1440]

23:28 his team disagreed with him 😂😂😂

[@blackwinter963]

That joka said: Do you have statistics to back that up? *Next breath: I don't trust statistics. 😑 🙄🥴🤣🤣

[@jasminehall9542]

Yes he did

[@YanillePVP]

Jubilee needs to make sure everyone involved in these discussion are articulate and prepared, so tired of seeing bad arguments poorly displayed because no one prepped.

[@LaurenHustedt3]

This this this

[@td4700]

I'm sure they are told about it ahead of time. Some people take it serious and do their research and others only want to speak from a place of feelings or experience.

[@Idolbottle]

I think this is more about having an average person’s point of view, so basically not knowing what they are talking about lmao

[@one-seventeen.rev310]

Those who dont hold conservative views are never really prepped. It not jubilees fault.

[@leviisdead]

seriously. i am trans myself and i could not stand listening to blossom talk.

[@PegasiJay]

I laughed out loud when Blossom asked for statistics then backpedaled and said they don’t matter 😂 there’s no way.

[@nicholasclarence]

Why can't they live somewhere where everyone is like them and we normal people don't have to coexist with the circus?

[@jsibley7163]

@@nicholasclarence very “American” and “freedom country” thing for you to say

[@nicholasclarence]

@@jsibley7163 Very American indeed to state my opinion (free speech). People that are mentally insane should not have a voice in politics. There is zero upside for me or any sane individual. Straight pride worldwide, thank a straight couple for your existence.

[@Divoga1368]

I didnt see her give statistics Maybe I missed it.

[@woodydro386]

It's because they will never win in a facts game. Men won't ever be able to get pregnant. Only women and women cosplaying as men.

[@myleemartin8083]

I love the calm and respectful conversations between Gina and Amala. Blossom could never.

[@a.randolph8112]

Blossom is a gaslighter. Amala did exceptionally well with her debate and keeping her composer. I really enjoyed listening to Gina's story. I like her

[@sophiemitchell8086]

Him …. They are men . No matter what they do to their bodies .

[@saikohart3058]

@@sophiemitchell8086 why intentionally disregard and disrespect ppl ?

[@sophiemitchell8086]

@@saikohart3058 I speak the truth whether someone likes it or not . They are delusional. It’s simple .

[@zachman5150]

@@saikohart3058 Respect is earned, and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable. Embracing objective reality is to discern fact from fiction. There's only 1 kind of woman,and they're all born female. Now you know

[@hithere5005]

Yeah I noticed that too. I’m surprised given how difficult it was for to wrangle Beethoven that she was able to keep him under control so well. I mean Bach was so poorly behaved throughout this whole thing, you’d think that lady wasn’t even trying to keep him controlled. Maybe she needs to do a “keeping your composer” lesson for the rest of the people in the room.

[@TheRareCriticalThinker]

“It takes integrity, it takes courage, it takes lifting women up…” you can literally define men this way as well.

[@hellomotto7169]

Just goes to show the issue is rooted in mental health issues or gender roles.

[@thatcringeythingyoudidin6t792]

True

[@ghjiufdtgvnj]

yes of course men can be defined that way but women are oppressed in different more damaging and violent ways than men and with women's movements empowerment is important and women need it more than men its equity for the suffering women have endured

[@TheRareCriticalThinker]

You mention violence, which I get women are at a physical disadvantage. However, violence is overwhelmingly men against men.

[@carro6171]

​@@TheRareCriticalThinker yeah but we get attacked bc they see us as little dolls to "play" with. Rape is much much worse than mens streetfights. I've seen brutal rape victims and what happens later. I would rather have all of my bones broken.

[@hxjdko.bbyudje]

when ayla asked roxana how she defined womanhood and blossom answered i was disappointed bc i was really looking forward to roxana’s input

[@mariatown95]

I really do want to hear someone say something other than "I know I'm a woman because I know I'm a woman".

[@Mellyxxxxx]

​@mariatown95 exactly Being a sex is different from sexuality and gender orientation. There are only 3 sexs' (male unisex female) Multiple sexualities (homo, hetero, bi etc.) Multiple gender orientation where u don't have to align to ur orientation or gender (trans people)

[@WakandaleezaRazz]

Mister blossom

[@keyaferdi5618]

I am not a cis-woman, I am a freaking biological WOMAN. Period. There could be a trans sports category. I don't ever hear trans men doing the most like this, Blossom is very confrontational. Blossom dishes it ... and can't take it.

[@optimND]

Do you... know what cis means?

[@SuperDuperSigmaMale]

​@optimND They find it degrading. Why slap an unappealing label on us, the OGs, because some posers with political power come around and try to infect our cultures and natural identities, is what I'd imagine most women feel. Also woman means female human, so the cis part is unnecessary.

[@JessicaB-hj4gk]

@@optimND it doesnt matter though. They are the origin point. womanhood is based on them, period. therefore every other type of "woman" besides them are the only ones that need the predicate. And Frankly aS a tRans pErsoN its also a matter of respect, our community is absolutely terrible about this yet will completely fall apart if they dont get absolute validation from women.

[@dollguts9801]

@@optimND I think they're trying to convey that they reject the label, and feel as if she shouldn't even have to make the distinction.

[@iamz_mbie]

@@dollguts9801 and she/we shouldn’t have to make the distinction because trans women identity wouldn’t exist without women

[@jadarahn3509]

Blossom didn't want to be disrespected with terminology but had no problem disrespecting the woman who didn't want to be called cis.

[@jodicelesteee]

This!!

[@CeeJay254Art]

So true

[@ramy8338]

cis is not an insult , ironic when conservatives say trans people are snowflakes

[@hewanhaileslas1066]

@@ramy8338 it doesn’t matter!

[@jadarahn3509]

@@ramy8338 It was to the straight woman.

[@allyrose7459]

I was so touched when Amala acknowledged how much Gina must have struggled throughout her life.

[@camillakulikova8505]

while actively engaging in rhetoric that perpetuates said discrimination 🤣🤣 she is silly

[@rusokana3642]

@@vikkidonnhave you watched any of Amala’s videos? Lol.

[@suds-p]

@@vikkidonn I haven’t heard of Amala’s work before but I’m interested in checking it out and learning more about her positions. I will say personally, she gave me a slightly bad first impression by the way she went about discourse. Specifically during the statistics conversation about women’s sports. On one hand she claimed statistics were not relevant when discussing how trans women unfairly outperform against cis-women, but then later said there’s “overwhelming” evidence that this is the case so I was confused how she was trying to defend her position. And when they talked about gender dysphoria, I was a bit concerned about how she kept pushing the idea of “blind affirmation” which sounded like there should be no conversations with people at all when they feel at odds with their biological state? I could be misunderstanding what she meant though.

[@aldanfac3404]

@@suds-p In reference to what you said about that statistics, I think she was referring to evidence but couldn’t actually reference the exact statistic when Blossom asked for the statistic on it. I think she then went further asking Blossom to give stats to illustrate how it’s a double standard.

[@suds-p]

@@aldanfac3404 That’s definitely possible. I didn’t want to make assumptions here so when she said stats aren’t relevant I took it to mean that’s what she truly meant. If she did have statistics and studies that she understands to support her point, I would think saying “I don’t think that’s relevant” comes off as a weak response personally? I will also say, I didn’t like it when Blossom brought up wanting statistics in the first place, because Jubilee debates don’t seem like the best environment to get into the weeds with that sort of thing. Plus, there’s more angles to discuss on the topic of women’s sports outside of just numbers as I think Roxana was trying to introduce.

[@r2dnl]

Hearing "I've been sexually harassed" and seeing ALL of them waking up it's just the saddest thing I've seen in my week

[@ultimategameredits]

I was harassed in 8th grade by a couple of boys joking about gr0p!ng me (I wasn't touched, but the main boy was an inch from me). it was at YOUTH GROUP. an adult was like 10 FEET AWAY. and SHE didn't do anything about it. this all is disgusting. what the heck.

[@r2dnl]

@@ultimategameredits I'm really sorry that you had to go through this, i hope you are better today, harassment is really a terrible act. I hope you're doing better nowadays, peace.

[@ultimategameredits]

@@r2dnl it's ok. thank goodness he didn't touch me, he was just invading my privacy and being a jackass with his friends. still, I have it so much better than others. we really need to talk about this more in middle schools. stay safe. 🔐

[@JoshuaMartinez-xe2xk]

@@ultimategameredits I wish i could've had a word with him. Not okay. 😤

[@ScareyBusey]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure almost everybody has to some degree. Its messed up.

[@Bloomingz]

Tiffany’s story about infertility made my heart melt, bless her❤

[@mzsbubblezs]

Blossom is an example of a person that makes it hard to have these conversations with and why many refuse to

[@KaringtonJeanelle]

Yeah Blossom Listens to reply.

[@kathleenmckeithen118]

He is so utterly deluded that he cannot be reasoned with.

[@dnahubs]

I agree and I believe that whatever gender Blossom would have identified as she would have been just as difficult to have a productive conservation with because of her "holier than thou" attitude.

[@DimitriTheBarbarian]

He is as much a Blossom as I am a Ballerina

[@The_fun_fam]

@@kathleenmckeithen118 gross reply

[@flexorcist30]

I honestly think that Trans like Gina and Women like Amala are those sections of their respective demographic that can help bridge the divide. You cannot expect both sides, to fully jump to the extreme side

[@anaclw]

Blossom: “Educate Yourself” Meanwhile being the least educated on the group…

[@WrathofFenrir99]

We wuz educated n sheet

[@studiofiftyflora]

I don’t feel unsafe using a bathroom with trans individuals, it just feels awkward.

[@arykachrystana6937]

Blossom asking for statistics while not once providing any of her own sent me over the edge. Amala was such a breath of fresh air.

[@afkmo1579]

Literally.

[@harleyhendrix8467]

@@oof6205 nope .."he trying to be a her"

[@harleyhendrix8467]

@@oof6205 ok. I thought that that's what you could have meant but then the way you wrote it with nothing else to explain it I then thought that you were saying "her" as in that's what he is so we should respect that and call him a "her". So I do apologize. I am so sorry that I assumed that and I should have atleast asked you first. So I do apologize

[@askosefamerve]

@@oof6205 Yeah. Her. That's her pronoun.

[@MrTriple3D]

@@harleyhendrix8467 you could have also just read the comment he was replying to?

[@danoyse8233]

I get people like Gina. She’s calm and puts a rational perspective on this issue. Blossom seems very defensive and looking for an argument.

[@Ali-gh6js]

And conterdicting himself with each turn even at the start he talks about schools and drag and teaching sex to kids then he says “well whos teaching kids that?” Thats so ignorant of blossom

[@jtarantula3390]

@@Ali-gh6jsalso ignorant of Aliya being afraid of teaching kids about lgbt at a young age, eventually they’re going to come across a gay or lesbian. It’s about teaching your kids about letting people love who they want to love and to be respectful and tolerant. As long as no one is getting hurt.

[@wisefries4205]

@@jtarantula3390 IMO it's not about fear of them knowing about LGBT people, it is fear of no moderation. You should be able talk to your own kids about this instead of schools and other children. I have seen instances where people in middle school who were "different" from their peers for being straight, or liking certain things that is tied to an opposite gender (e.g. male kids liking the color pink), are being called queer, and they go on to question their sexuality as a result.

[@duartsy]

@@wisefries4205I think kids questioning their sexuality is miles better then queer kids growing up feeling alone and hating themselves because they don’t know lgbt people exist. If a straight kid is going to question their sexuality as a result of teaching kids about lgbt the most that can happen is them kissing someone of the same gender and realizing immediately that they’re straight

[@Lulu-xo9eg]

​@jtarantula3390 💀💀 bro this is crazy

[@plants4ever354]

Applaud to Gina for actually trying to find common ground unlike Blossom

[@LaurenHustedt3]

Or Amala

[@RoshanDC]

@@LaurenHustedt3 true amala tried to find middle ground

[@vincentalexander4603]

@@juicysmolliette2852 dude, people like blossom are soo cringe it mentally hurts to hear them talk.

[@FM-dm8xj]

he was defintely a great person.

[@deneara]

@@juicysmolliette2852 no way she was not willing to listen to people opinions she was eww

[@ExistingSmiles]

Amala and Gina were so respectful to eachother :)

[@audrey99yearsago7]

i applaud Gina and Amala for really trying to find common ground, that’s what makes a debate actually enjoyable.

[@robloxian2285]

no its not 🤣

[@sabrinamitten1363]

Lmao I love your username 😂

[@alexisnash8105]

@PipKirby it’s to see the other side rather than sticking to your side all the time

[@carsonmyers2258]

I love how they both were trying so desperately not to start a fight but the radicals on both sides had a problem with it, these were true woman and I love that

[@stunnedmulletblah9714]

@@alexisnash8105 you can't actually miss them. They're very visible and very loud

[@6macanudo]

Blossom is the perfect example of why there will never be major progression with this topic. Blossom is incapable of understanding the difference between facts and reality vs. feelings.

[@luvleekristy]

This 🎉

[@ash_tbh]

Also assuming that everyone is obsessed with genitals, as well as incorrectly correcting people... "the term you mean is cis woman" when in fact the point was that biological females are capable of giving birth. That includes females who transition into men. No uterus, which only biological females have, regardless of how they identify, means there is no way to give birth.

[@timmywitty1432]

It’s called narcissism.

[@hardball3.6.9]

Who gave birth to her.....😂😂😂him she whatever 😂😂😂wow

[@carlyschrock1936]

THANK YOU

[@fromnowherenobdy]

The fact Blossom is questioning whether predatory men will take advantage of women’s spaces… is already saying a lot. I don’t have to explain my women friends what’s like being a woman, how you have to be afraid and hyper vigilant all the time because if you can’t prevent something from happening to you, it will be your fault (if you survive it anyway). The mutual understanding happens seamlessly, there’s no question. But when I’ve tried to explain to men, whether family or friends, they call me crazy for being afraid, for wanting to prevent any potentially dangerous situation with males from happening, and Blossom is questioning women the same way *There are men who do understand women, or at least don’t invalidate their experiences and fear towards men, but Blossom is acting the same way men who don’t understand act

[@pianocat5955]

Like Gina said. Men can take advantages of women's spaces without the presence of trans women. Blossom was talking about trans women, even though she was being asked about cis-men dressing up as women.

[@Honeydipdani]

Because men cannot know or feel as a women feels about the subject. You would have to be a woman to understand the unspoken truth.

[@Манлетопия]

Men have it harder than women which is why alot of men are transitioning to women

[@zachman5150]

@@pianocat5955 There is only 1 kind of woman, and they're ALL born females-- making the use of 'cis' entirely irrelevant and useless

[@Cynthiaa315]

I personally think these predatory men are going to take it advantage , whatever there is a chance. They wait to see when someone has vulnerable and they take advantage of that. Being trans doesn’t give you a free pass for being a creep.

[@me-fk3xy]

I really appreciated Gina’s perspective and how respectful she was.

[@liagiba8108]

Blossom: "you're dodging the question" Also Blossom: *dodges the most questions*

[@israepilgrym3526]

THANK YOU!!!!

[@katemartinez8896]

No

[@thegoodnews6682]

Literally what I said during the beginning clip!

[@allenrosado2866]

@@gloriabenitez5627 she*

[@katemartinez8896]

@@gloriabenitez5627 she***

[@crazynicesonya]

Blossom so disrespectful to the opponents, that’s insane. She continues using cis term and it’s so offensive, but don’t you dare to put a label on her, she would call you transphobic. It’s so upsetting that blossom doesn’t care about her opponents feelings, but wants to be respected

[@Meow-mn8ip]

persona cis promedio:

[@arizia6199]

@@Meow-mn8ipbut their speaking facts. Blossom is a narcissist and it shows, she is manipulating and gaslighting everyone around her.

[@marcarce592]

Those are the types you just ignore.

[@Lu_os1]

@@Meow-mn8ip u will never be a reall women 😂

[@Meow-mn8ip]

thanks, i’m not a woman actually 😜😜😜

[@asianchad8610]

Blossom: "if you can't throw out the statistics, we're not doing enough of the work" Also Blossom: "we can talk about statistics and research all day long, but it's about experience"

[@nathankgabi7401]

While ignoring the experience that Gina just explained

[@theunseen3]

This!!! Then when Amala asked Blossom for statistics in return, Blossom had none. The raging hypocrisy

[@nathankgabi7401]

@@theunseen3 it's really mental disphoria mixed with extreme narcissism

[@shalierjackson6672]

That was the wildest exchange i have ever seen

[@Beansquee]

I caught that too

[@Adrii.Adriii]

Roxana seems so shy and I think it’s because everyone jumped in so angry and argumentative it’s a debate not a fight

[@VagueFaces_000]

She/he (I know very little about trans, I’ve just been taught it’s weird) seems genuinely like a nice person. Albeit she/ he sided with a questionable half, Roxanne doesn’t seem to have any rude attempts.

[@Adrii.Adriii]

@ I also am not a super supporter of trans but I was just saying glad to get your insight thanks

[@VagueFaces_000]

@@Adrii.Adriii no problem! I am one hundred percent sure I will be targeted for even thinking this :)

[@carolynwest8574]

“I don’t agree with what you say, but I 100% support your freedom to say it.” Just WOW!

[@DA-js7xz]

No.

[@huellgaming4482]

@Holy Saylor “No”🤓

[@debrakish9659]

Now that's the definition of real free speech!

[@leejungjae-luvr]

@D A really thought you made a difference huh💀

[@JohnJJSchmidt]

I don't know when this was said bc I can't stomach a full 40 minutes of mostly stupidity, so I don't know the context, but what's wrong with that statement? It's free speech.

[@xaviero8678]

Gina was very eye opening for me, extremely nuanced, super respectful of people who disagreed with her.

[@frenchibristianbok8847]

Yea Gina was mad chill I respect her

[@bambiholmes]

how can you be EXTREMELY nuanced?

[@bettyb9734]

She often agreed with the other side though

[@sophiephillips7961]

@@bambiholmes I am also curious?

[@xaviero8678]

@@sophiephillips7961 I didn’t put emphasis on the word when I wrote it, it was just my train of thought. Quite a charged word now that i think of it.

[@Burlykim13]

Blossom is that person who talks like they’re the smartest person in the room yet to everyone else they’re the opposite. She’s actually damaging to the trans movement imo because she will not be respectful nor follow her own advice. Over talking and preaching about respect while continuing to be blatantly disrespectful is why people just don’t even want to bother having the conversation,unfortunately.

[@DaisyM]

That's what a lot of these trans people who are very radical in their beliefs do, they don't realize that they're damaging their own cause.

[@Skyv111]

He's being very... MASCULINE (in the wrong way) about it, indeed.

[@Skyv111]

@@DaisyM they couldn't do otherwise though! something that, from the core is contradictory can only give as fruit contradiction. He could never really aid his cause if based in TRUTH, since that cause inherently goes AGAINST truth.

[@ihateithere9298]

He likes attention

[@neverleft636]

Seems like “toxic masculinity” to me 😂😂

[@AshDiAngelo]

My best friend in 5th grade (i was 10, she was I think 11 and the year above me) taught me about gay people. I almost cries that day. Up until then i had been under the impression that I was a bad person and that I shouldn't have been born. She probably saved my life by teaching me about lgbt

[@nufailanoon]

What do you mean

[@AshDiAngelo]

@nufailanoon what are you confused about? (Genuinely, I'll happy explain, I feel like I sound rude, lol)

[@nufailanoon]

@AshDiAngelo why did you cry when you heard about lgbt?

[@AshDiAngelo]

@nufailanoon because I felt like I was broken because I liked girls and I went to a Catholic school

[@nufailanoon]

@AshDiAngelo omg I'm so sorry you felt that way. I personally romantically loved girls starting from age 8. But I never questioned that, to me it was simply love. I never thought "i should love boys only". Suprisingly, I still continued to love girls even when I was told gay marriage was a sin at 11. Cuz I thought the sin was the marriage itself, not the love. (I'm not bisexual, I'm biromantic heterosexual) When I saw a gay couple first on tv, I was confused (cuz that was new to me) but didn't hate it or think it was abnormal.

[@missthomas8754]

Trans people like Blossom will be forever be the reason why the community gets soo much push back and hesitation to acceptance

[@rachelseo319]

Exactly 😂

[@faconda4364]

Exactly! I notice Jubilee seems to pick the worst of us to represent : /

[@jolasia925]

💯💯💯

[@kefisher7218]

transphobia is the reason the community gets push back. hope this helps

[@yeww406]

@@kefisher7218 behavior like blossom's is one that enables transphobia

[@jacksong671]

blossom saying “let’s be very clear” and then saying the most incoherent statement possible is so funny and ironic

[@MaryKath-h]

Lmao yes 😂

[@tris228]

Ok,so I wasn't the only one that noticed that.😅

[@briannatyson6029]

Blossom is speaking from a place of hurt and not a place of logic. I love how Gina and Roxane were able to give there perspective and still be graceful

[@itskeagan3004]

He needed a strong father figure, not to be reaffirmed in being an over feminine male.

[@bellabeale7376]

i only saw women???

[@itskeagan3004]

@@bellabeale7376 we’re talking the normal biological terms He/she. Rational terms, you know what I mean?

[@mshoney9301]

@@itskeagan3004 pronouns aren't biological terms lol

[@hithisismyusername]

@@mshoney9301 when you’re using them to describe and refer to someone’s biological gender then yes, they are

[@ratatouille3173]

first question pisses me off so bad. when i first learned gay people existed and i asked my mom why, and she told me if was cause they were in love, you can't control who you fall in love with. no kids are thinking of sex at that young of age and those only thing that telling kids gay people exist is gonna either give them comfort for knowing it's not wrong or they'll say ok and move along. unless like the parents or something are teaching the kids that gay people are bad. when i learned about trans people i was admittedly so mean and hurtful because i didn't understand it. if my mom or something just told me that it's normal i wouldn't have been rude because of it.

[@optimND]

Exactly this. I know someone who is gay, their nephew asked them about it and they explained it and the nephew just thought about it for all of 7 seconds before deciding "oh okay that's a thing".

[@SuperDuperSigmaMale]

You develop a type, love is built, not born with.

[@wmak8421]

Blossom is the epitome of being guided by emotion rather than logic

[@800cherries3]

there is nothing logical about conservatives

[@cristynohara]

She's so defensive about everything

[@800cherries3]

@@cristynohara well to be fair it’s because she’s more emotionally invested into this topic. being a trans black woman is probably insanely rough so her feelings are valid.

[@blessing5891]

@@800cherries3 why did you have to add the " black "as if other tran races aren't facing their difficulties.🙄

[@tammy5466]

@@blessing5891 because being black in America is different from being any other race in this country. There are difficulties that come along with it.

[@nekaguro7381]

I seriously love Gina, she presents herself and her points in such a polite and clear way. I'd prefer if this was just Amala and Gina talking to each other.

[@mariianavelezz]

honestly

[@hollykattenberg5638]

Amala just announced that Gina will be coming on her KZbin channel/podcast :)

[@drboom.]

Huh? What drugs are you on im legitimately concerned for you and your mental health. And all of the people thumbs upping this

[@drboom.]

@@mariianavelezz honestly….if I wouldnt get flagged oooooo

[@thelovelydrkeyx3250]

​@bunny lover I watched that interview. Blossom was all over the place.

[@UnravelingArchitecture]

Gina is the type of person I think you could talk to for hours. She's calm and composed, but definitely grew wiser with her age and experiences.

[@brennoxwallace2203]

I loved her. She seems so genuine and humble. I’d love to sit and talk with her about her life experiences.

[@zenithryne]

Exactly, I love her perspective on these things and I agree with the majority of things she has said.

[@theredcupcake]

she’s great!

[@voteforfire]

We love gina

[@nickiwoodington6855]

Gina's a great bloke.

[@Morrosoy28]

The truth is, you cannot chage your gender, no matter how well you pass--- you will always have the mind and approach to life how you are born.

[@Morrosoy28]

and there is no difference to identifying as a different race as it is to identify as a different gender/sex and the opinions of people who are 'cis' are valid.

[@BlackenedLiam]

Correct

[@Ruushii]

Amala: says literally anything Blossom: “and I took that personally”

[@champigranja1179]

Blossom needs urgent therapy. I can't believe that a middle aged adult keeps on arguing like an illiterate adolescent. It's also funny that is the only one who agrees on trans women competing in women's sports. I mean, look at her body, she could feature Mr. T in a movie.

[@shavaneciagriffiths9845]

fr😭😭😭

[@Stanz1lla]

@@shavaneciagriffiths9845Agreed, Blossom only spoke out of defense for the trans community mostly, but some of the things Blossom spoke kinda confused me and indulged me.

[@anyaashcroft1944]

it is pathetic, honestly

[@KingStr0ng]

Blossom? Nah, that's Brock. 💀

[@kodabear6879]

who keeps bringing blossom back to these debates😭😭

[@keelymac8651]

Honestly ?!!! I just watched another one of hers and in the comments most people were urging them not to bring her back so they must be doing it on purpose

[@ferwoodz]

Fr she’s the worst

[@MajoDaArtist]

Who’s blossom

[@x_n_x_gal9161]

Comedy gold

[@gabagool25]

for the entertainmet lol

[@delanivalles911]

I can not wrap my head around why they keep bringing Blossom to these debates… she can’t answer questions directly and if not all the time almost always diverts from the main talking point. I just want to be able to listen to a proper debate without having someone spew out wtv they feel like saying based on how they feel omg.

[@amandarios448]

Me neither blossom is just insufferable

[@anceledusstorm7534]

She?

[@GneTelevision]

@@anceledusstorm7534 don't.

[@noodle6679]

@@GneTelevisionhe

[@KrystalJuffa]

Blossom just sounds ignorant lol

[@MeadowOiOiOiOi]

Thank you Gina and Roxana for being so professional and not attacking others and being so mean. ❤🙏 We're all people. We all deserve love and respect. Please be kind

[@70spoem]

loved the way gina was carrying herself and presented her opinions without attacking or discrediting the other side. would be interesting to see a one on one conversation between her and amala

[@thijmstickman8349]

Other side wants to take away her rights, why would she not attack or discredit those arguments?

[@dearphia]

@@thijmstickman8349 because you can get your thoughts and feelings out without argument. arguments cause unnecessary violence

[@Miss_Witch13]

@@thijmstickman8349 cause by attacking someone else’s values you look like a hostile person, who would want to listen to a person who does nothing but attack you? By having a civil conversation you can speak your views without them being completely discredited cause you were being disrespectful

[@thijmstickman8349]

@@Miss_Witch13 This is on camera. Their goal here is not to convince the other side because them probably being political figures themselves they're pretty fixed in place already. Their goal is to get across the message that the oppression trans people are facing is not okay. To do this they must discredit and attack the transphobic arguments their opponents are making. The values the opponents have are monstrous, and get in the way of the goal of trans rights. Btw this fundamental incongruity between trying to get people to have a middle ground while in reality hosting a debate show is why every episode becomes more and more cut up and frankinsteined. They cant let people finish their points because then it wont sound like any of them are trying to reach a middle ground anymore.

[@thijmstickman8349]

@@dearphia The arguments the transphobes make is causing violence to be inflicted currently. I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice (MLK quote, replace black with trans and you got it, attacking transphobes arguments needs to happen.)

[@joshuabertrand9277]

Blossom: do you have the statistics? Also Blossom: the statistics don't matter, it's about experiences!

[@UnLisable]

Blossom is highly confused! Maybe that’s why…. 🤔

[@skylar4775]

She accused Amala of dodging when she dodged that question herself. She’s not only confused but also hypocritical.

[@daniellatroyer3597]

Blossom made no sense this whole video

[@nashi._.7563]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who caught that. Blossom was being hypocritical several times. Everytime is accused someone of “dodging” she herself was dodging

[@MsDudette21]

also love how she thinks the transracial argument isn't the exact same when it is. any reason against transracial is the same for transgender. but that makes too much sense so she just dismissed it

[@chrystalv3414]

I love the way Amala gets her point across with facts and not needing to be loud or using snarky remarks.

[@timekabolden5309]

Love her point of view!!!❤❤❤❤

[@YoshihitoBLM]

She was more poignant in her responses but she's got her problems.

[@brinnthehuman]

I love the way Amala asks loaded questions (which is a manipulation tactic) like "Do you believe your comfort is more important than the cis women who will be victimized by [allowing trans women to use women's restrooms]?", so that she can make another woman seem more argumentative than she otherwise would.

[@thebearcouncil8810]

​@@brinnthehumanWhat is a better way of asking difficult but important questions like that?

[@jraymond1988]

If I remotely agreed with her on anything, I would like Amala. Unfortunately she represents the side of the aisle that makes my skin crawl so I have trouble tolerating her. She wasn't nearly as insufferable as Aliya though.

[@LiyaP]

I was happy to see Amilia! I watch her all the time and her responses is exactly what I was expecting. She kept it consistent and didn’t argue or interrupt. Kudos to her!

[@THEMADHATTRESS]

Amala*

[@mduduzigama5534]

Blossom is one of the most confused people I have ever seen. The gender and race issue showed exactly how confused Blossom is

[@BirdsBeach]

Speaking for those of us who listen to the video while driving, doing chores, etc… Jubilee, PLEASE have a narrator say the questions out loud and make them more audible! I know it faintly says them sometimes, but most of the time, I hear the discussion after the pause between questions, but would have to look at my screen to see the questions themselves.

[@leanne7542]

This would also be excellent for visually impaired people!! Totally agree.

[@jazmineg6774]

Yes!

[@thekatchat6017]

Yes give the person who is asking the questions a microphone so we can hear them better.

[@rachelhalina5220]

Agree!!! (hoping they see your comment)

[@kiannaadelina383]

literally!! i cant do homework while watching because i have to stare for the questions 😭😭

[@SparkleJumpRopeQueennn]

Blossom getting a wig that is not from the dollar store , impossible.

[@chxsomypookie]

🤣

[@carissawills7377]

I have to say, I was already a bit put off by Blossom’s overbearing approach. But her demanding “statistics” and putting the other woman down for not having any memorized and therefore, “being uneducated” in the subject. Then when asked if Blossom knew any statistics and she said? “No, statistics don’t matter.” I was so done with her.

[@zachman5150]

*He said* A dude is a dude is a dude, and that doesn't change with a costume change, makeup, or surgery

[@mlw9195]

Literally I had to pause the vid and laugh what a fool

[@rodrigo2713]

Let´s call him a him, he´s a dude.

[@latricee_2000]

*him

[@karrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

Exactly

[@sennavanr7719]

I personally love the way Gina talks about this: she comes over as very calm and open to other opinions. Blossom comes over as really defensive and hostile tho.

[@Scooterbeerrun]

I'd say it's because Gina isn't one of the confused ones

[@jamesbryson9542]

What you're observing is the difference between being on the offense v defense.

[@kokoariesqueen77]

I think also they are from different backgrounds.. Blossom probably hAd to fight twice as hard. In our community u can barely be gay let alone Trans..

[@demonkiler2]

@@kokoariesqueen77 the fact she wants law that forces parents to let your kids to be learned at school its oke to be trans at young age and even do the transition is insane last time i heard something insane like that was the leader of germany in 1939

[@elizabethdawson8125]

Blossom strikes me as someone who is still working through her trauma so she is hyper-vigilant and aggressive through this conversation. Gina strikes me as someone who has experienced trauma but has done a lot of therapy/emotional work through it and can speak on her past without getting emotional currently.

[@SoccerBallerina8]

As someone with a degree in Exercise Science, it's infuriating when people try to argue that there are not biological differences between male and female athletes. A difference in bone density, muscle makeup, among other things DOES exist. Males typically have a higher lung capacity and overall strength than females. It's been proven in the data. Not just one or two studies, literally thousands of studies. It's not an "opinion". It's biology. There is a reason why men and women have always been split in sports. Because males statistically & biologically DO have an unfair advantage over women. Trying to convince yourself otherwise is just pure ignorance.

[@Escekar]

There is no difference. Men are generally always stronger and faster. That’s been the same for literally Ever.

[@dontknow8548]

It shouldn’t be based of gender. It should be any gender can compete, but you must group with people who have similar body structures and masses to you.

[@Escekar]

@@dontknow8548 just have a third or fourth category.. like para Olympic or wheelchair sports. Have trans sports and be done with it.. simples…!

[@TheDambia]

@@dontknow8548 That would be first overly complicated and second make no sense in most team sports, if not in all, where people with different complexions play different roles.

[@jinpachichulo7561]

@@dontknow8548 you have MMA. How's that working out for the ladies?

[@Thenameisguppy222]

“Respect my chosen pronoun” - blossom continues to call the biological woman cis after she said she is not “cis” she’s a woman. She’s not a “birthing person” she’s a mother.

[@sicksickBacon]

cis just means not trans. if you cant handle that then you're just as sensitive as you think trans people are.

[@Cj-jr7js]

Blossom is that person who thinks white straight people are the public enemy. Gina is awesome. Well educated

[@donovinharris7140]

Lol umm reach

[@megangosiak1489]

​@@donovinharris7140not really. They were VERY quick to throw in white supremacy. And very quick to discount everyone else's lived experiences.

[@bauerlikoloki]

@@donovinharris7140you must not have actually watched then, because it’s not a reach.

[@GangsterInternet]

@@donovinharris7140 Certain people can't handle criticisms of their teams to where they object basic observable reality, case in point here

[@9395gb]

Blossom is also jealous of biological black women. The majority of biological black women are not supporting the "transwomen are women" mantra. This is most coming from straight whites in particular white women.

[@jessicaelliott-lawrence4582]

I felt a pang in my heart when Tiffany became speechless trying to speak about her experience with the inability to have children. I am also unable to have children. I have lived with that knowledge for over a decade. A piece of me will always grieve that loss.

[@raymibraden]

From what I have seen, the pain of not being able to have children, when a woman wants to, is one of the absolute hardest things to deal with. I can only hope that you come to a point where your grief can be replaced with joy and peace ❤❤❤ I wish you all the best

[@cartergomez5390]

Maybe practice the law of attraction and see what happens. Miracles do happen 🙏

[@keciaaskew5166]

I can’t have children myself due to health issues. 😢

[@JustMeMessingAround]

My orchestra teacher is unable to have children. She always wanted to but when she realized she couldn’t, she became a teacher. She started crying while telling us this information. She has 6 periods to teach and like 3 after school clubs. It’s rough for her but she’s always happy to see students everyday. She’s an amazing person and only the worst of the worst students at my school even slightly hate her.

[@Thathumanoverthere1701]

I wanted to run out and hug her.

[@laurenmunger5696]

Gina smiling through this whole thing, even when disagreeing with what was said, shows so much of her character. she was refreshing to listen to through this whole thing.

[@marinagonzales4203]

Gina is a mad not a she it’s a he

[@rustyshackleford7656]

That's 100% Robert De Niro in a wig

[@Digiorn0]

@@marinagonzales4203 it's not that serious....

[@safaebergor3959]

I like that "smiling" is the only positive thing you could point out about her in a video like this.

[@snowwmoon]

@@AshPlaysHorror you forgot an s oopsies

[@lynnkulsonnan779]

the fact that Blossom called everybody cisgender even they said they are not just makes me mad, please do not invite her ever again

[@Hahalink]

It’s difficult to not like a person like Gina. So assertive yet gentle in educating and debating differences in beliefs

[@choyceramseurdudley8847]

I agree. Gina is a person you want to listen to.

[@choyceramseurdudley8847]

And blossom is the opposite

[@jaywrights6108]

Gina is strange a little creepy to me. The aura it’s all in the eyes fr.

[@justmaris48]

Blossom : bring up statistics…. Everyone else in the room : * brings up statistics* Blossom : ohh well it’s not about statistics it’s about experience It’s sad how misguided these people are. Lord help them.

[@kimiaconnections]

This world is a delusion 💀Lord needa hurry up and come back

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

the problem is j blossom

[@amrobear]

1 out of 3 trans persons here made a mockery of themselves with their argument. Please don't say "these people" grouping them as all the same when the majority of the ladies in this video were well stated and backed their views with grace and respect.

[@serengede]

Most trans people are fine. Probably more than two out of three

[@fable_enthusiast]

​@@kimiaconnections you're a delusion to think great guy in the sky is gonna come back😂

[@Busyhriehfjeje]

Please stop inviting Blossom. She’s been disrespectful to others in every single debate she’s been on.

[@TheCoutureeAli]

He

[@CrystalSmarties]

@Cashtheanimatoryt He

[@anushayyy-rj6zo]

what other debates has she been in? i want to watch those so i can cringe at them

[@angieyoung6674]

​@@anushayyy-rj6zotrans conservatives vs trans liberals. Not sure if there's others

[@deshongray]

Just say you're mad because she's smart and BLACK

[@williamhayes981]

Well, seeing as though the "menstrual cycle" ONLY naturally occurs in biologically born females...I would have to say, yes "periods" are absolutely a clear and present sign, of "womanhood". I can see most of you are undecided on this, so I figured I'd make this comment, for "clarity".

[@ktwiz2666]

Blossom: What is the statistics in that? Also blossom: We don't need statistics, we just need feelings.

[@idkwhattonamemyacxount88]

I was literally so shocked by that 😂

[@nerd5]

sounds like youre actually quoting what amala said DIRECTLY before what blossom said lmfao

[@tigerl21]

@@nerd5 This also happened in a convo she had with Buck (transitioned male) in another video. He had info and receipts for the issues that were discussed, and Blossom still wouldn't accept it.

[@nerd5]

@@tigerl21 then i suppose that's blossom's issue, but in the context of this video, amala did the exact same thing, so it doesn't make sense to hold her to that standard

[@dapo3538]

@@nerd5 I think you need to rewatch that part. Amala did not have the statistics prepared with her for the debate but appealed to common sense between the bone densities of male and female athletes and how they are different. Hormone replacement therapy can never rid a biological male of his advantages over female athletes who aren’t on drugs. If Amala had the statistics present she would have presented them. Blossom said the statistics were necessary then turned around and said statistics aren’t valid, but instead EXPERIENCE is needed. However Blossom disregarded Gina’s experience as a large, strong male in junior high. Blossom also tried to insinuate she wasn’t physically stronger than Amala which is LAUGHABLE 😂

[@panipani_danggeun]

Gina was way more nice and rational than I thought at first glance. The way she spoke sounded like she actually wanted to reason and have a conversation respectfully. I'm glad they had her on.

[@ruecumbers]

Im reminded of another jubilee video where they had Buck Angel on, and I was drawn to him in a very similar way; he had a very similar composure that invites you to understand. I suspect that this is likely something of a trend of the older queer generation(s) who had to navigate their way through a much more hostile space in their time compared to those in the lgbt community now.

[@AngelCakez]

I really like how Gina and Amala are actually doing their best to find some middle ground, and being respectful at that

[@happyblackwoman6154]

Amala Ekpunobi's latest video was addressing Blossom who claimed he destroyed her in this debate!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. He also called her a B. He's delusional.

[@sinoyolosinoyolo5714]

I had to come and watch where Blossom destroyed Amala😂😂 I'm quite disappointed I must say. The way Blossom said it, it was boldly only to find out she's actually delusional 😂😂

[@happyblackwoman6154]

​@@sinoyolosinoyolo5714 Blossom is a delusional

[@itstoriallen]

i understand blossom and her passion, and i hold most of the same beliefs, but she’s really frustrating me because she kept misunderstanding the other women or taking the conversation in a completely different direction. she didn’t let the other trans women talk very much and everything just felt lost in translation

[@geerky42]

Strongly agree. She makes us look bad... Thanks Blossom!

[@asamabry]

me too. but it was interesting to watch. the highly passionate, the neutral, and the more educated were on both sides of the discussion. shows the sides of it all

[@skylar4775]

@@asamabry well I will say Amala is definitely highly passionate but also highly educated. She has a calm composure. Love Amala 💜

[@asamabry]

@@skylar4775 well i guess i meant to say emotional because i totally agree! i just wasnt sure what word to use. i was referring to Blossom and Aliya😅

[@TheNinjapancake14]

She took up most of the conversations. Usually I applaud people for speaking strongly about what they believe in but I thought it was annoying

[@kmarieking12]

It was very refreshing to hear Amala voice her opinion she did it in such a respectful, factual and well spoken way. Well done expressing yourself without being offensive.

[@ashley4764]

amala literally worships Christopher columbus

[@kiwiipeachii8980]

@@ashley4764 that doesn't really have to do with anything

[@Alexavian]

Aliya was offensive

[@imcornpop3075]

@@Alexavian who tf cares, you people are too damn sensitive. Only in the US can you be this damn sensitive.

[@lintoppthomas]

@@Alexavian did she hurt your feelings..???

[@kynvelyn2]

You are not "assigned" a sex at birth. Sex is recognized at birth.

[@haillethevisualartist]

This conversation was both infuriating and nice to watch all at the same time lol It’s clear who was willing to have a conversation and who just wanted to say the same talking points. We need more of these conversations, so this is a start.

[@mirayoon1992]

agree, it was conflicting and i knew it will be conflicting if it involves conservative people😬

[@TomBradyisinlovewithson]

I know the trans talking points are always so ridiculous 😬

[@xaxscratchxax926]

I agree. These trans people need a real talking point to get people to agree with them.

[@nobishesquestionmark]

@@mirayoon1992 blossom was the most conflicting person there

[@haillethevisualartist]

Yea I didn’t make this comment to target trans people, I’m for trans rights, just this discussion could have been better considering the subject matter

[@SS-nr2zv]

26:32 Blossom : Can u throw statistics? Amala: provides valid explanation with an example Blossom: Invalidates blatantly. Amala: Do you have statistics? Blossom: "No, statistics isn't important, it's about experiences" 😭

[@uunnoov]

I was itching for someone to bring that up in the moment 😭

[@AndreaS-Og]

Just watched this after the last one Blossom was in with Blaire White. Lol Blossom is a nut. I just can't believe they keep having her back.

[@SS-nr2zv]

@@AndreaS-Og she's in another video?? Which one?

[@allister21]

@@SS-nr2zv trans liberals vs trans conservatives. it’s pretty new, you’ll find it easily near the top of this channel.

[@Brook_55]

Literally

[@livislosingit8868]

Blossom seemed too quick to assume the other side hated her and I feel like she was just attacking everyone without really listening. Edit: I was commenting on Blossom’s character as a person and her approach to defending her beliefs. I’m not trying to start a debate of whether you think Blossom is a he or she…

[@cristynohara]

Exactly

[@sabrinamichelle3588]

That was especially true regarding the bathroom discussion

[@suds-p]

I think part of her was also being extremely energetic in order to send messages to the audience as well. People receive messages much more easily when there’s a clear emotional tone behind it. Because this isn’t a neutral private discussion, there may be an element of overreacting for the camera, and we don’t know how she would have responded otherwise. Also, it’s possible Blossom has been in detrimental echo chambers going up against many cis women that try to belittle the existence of people like her so that could explain her over-defensiveness. Because this is supposed to be “Middle Ground”, I don’t see anything wrong with bringing on passionate and more tempered guests alike, though I can see how it hampers discussions, especially in the final edit when so much of the conversation gets cut out.

[@tammy5466]

But one of the women literally called her delusional.... and invalidated her identity

[@jeppemarce3137]

And remember she could act out of trauma. We’re all too quick to judge.

[@Wilhelm_Vennable]

I was not expecting everyone (mostly) to be so calm in talking about this. Happy to see it

[@Pickles466]

Blossom is actually crazy. One minute she says "Can you provide statistics, if you can't then it doesn't count" and then literally immediately after she says, on the same point, "I don't think you need statistics, its all about lived experience" 🤣

[@elenawilliams32]

And Blossom also said that if given the statistics they wouldn't believe them anyway as they'd be fudged. (if they were unfavorable to the issue) But hey, we're all uneducated. Blossom was the only educated one... According to blossom. 🚩👀

[@tnmsfl2007]

Don’t forget to mention, she kept dismissing and dodging perfectly valid arguments like the race transition comparison. She was like “that doesn’t apply, it’s comparing apples to oranges”. Effing insane. I love everyone, but I have little to no respect for these characters.

[@Pickles466]

@@tnmsfl2007 Yessss!!! Literally!

[@bellaveillard1595]

I was looking for this comment!

[@anon2427]

Blossom was also completely and factual incorrect on her sports take especially

[@brendacontreras9100]

Can we talk about how sweet Gina is!!! I see the respect she is showing for the conversation.

[@kinariuu]

Yessss, gina is great, she actually cares about kids and their innocence, she looks like she'd be a sweet grandma

[@Heather_in_Kansas]

Not to mention the respect she was SHOWN. Amala referred to her by her pronouns. Blossom, on the other hand, kept ringing the "cis" bell while asking ppl to respect pronouns & got none in return. Just wanted to be contrary, smh..

[@str.nickxx]

So true!