Judo and Gracie Barra BJJ Meet in San Jose State

Olympian Judoka Mike Swain and BJJ World Champion Flavio Almeida from Gracie Barra
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[@RayJLau1]

Love to see BJJ and Judo communicate like this

[@fungusjunky55]

Me to!

[@rryanreid]

RayJLau me too. totally love it!

[@nicholasclarence]

Us bjj guys need judo to help us evolve. And like wise, judo needs bjj to evolve. Imagine if the systems were combined? You would have some of the best grapplers on the planet. Mad respect to Judo from a BJJ guy. Took half a year of judo, not enough, but enough to expose me to stand up grappling. Really helped

[@OldSch00l71]

honestly most of this petty discussion came from the us from american bjj and judo guys. in brazil both have big respect for each other and most bjj black belts there trained judo at some point or another. and i know because i'm brazilian and it trained both.

[@maitrekano]

how refreshing to see these 2 great champions commucate their skills , comparing adjusting , and so on , judo and bjj are about to be the 2 best martial arts ever . and you all judo guys and bjj guys cross train and nobody can ever beat you

[@erickgarcia6687]

cherif legraf there is not the best

[@KyleBaker]

Yeah, here in Austin, TX, it's almost impossible to find BJJ for less than 100/month. (I called 16 schools.) The only two less than $100 are the university, which has a 60/semester deal (a steal! but mostly beginners in the class...) and a school that just started up led by a brown belt. Judo? For $75/mo you get unlimited classes with a 4th dan Judoka, and I started taking classes at a non-profit for free for several months--after I got my first belt, I finally gave them $40 (I'm very poor).

[@Ivuspp]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925. Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). There is absolutely no question that the Gracie family demonstrated great skill and marketing acumen by promoting "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the masses. Helio Gracie's loss to Kodokan Judoka Masahiko Kimura was advertised as a "moral victory". More importantly, the Gracies sponsored the original Ultimate Fighting Championships when the world was begging for a professional combat sport with more depth than Boxing and more realism than the WWF. However, there is now a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students who only know half the story. Worse yet, they are often paying enormous prices for the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu name only to learn a subset of Jigoro Kano's original Jiu-Jitsu techniques and teaching methods.

[@aluisiofsjr]

This is why many of my teachers travelled to USA.

[@sparkyk24]

This made me so happy. Judoka and BJJ people are supposed to be brothers, not competitors.

[@CCKTWunit]

Finally! A video with two authorities in their respective arts saying what i have been saying for years! Im so tired of this Judo vs BJJ argument!

[@SenseiBlackShadow]

I have been doing Judo for over 8 years and I just started Bjj and it has helped my judo soooooo much.

[@LaVidaJudoka]

For those seeing the description of this video Mike Swain wasn't just an Olympian. He too was a World Champion.

[@KingBedlam]

Bjj and Judo are sister arts. Combine them together, and you'll be a bad ass.

[@Ivuspp]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925. Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). There is absolutely no question that the Gracie family demonstrated great skill and marketing acumen by promoting "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the masses. Helio Gracie's loss to Kodokan Judoka Masahiko Kimura was advertised as a "moral victory". More importantly, the Gracies sponsored the original Ultimate Fighting Championships when the world was begging for a professional combat sport with more depth than Boxing and more realism than the WWF. However, there is now a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students who only know half the story. Worse yet, they are often paying enormous prices for the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu name only to learn a subset of Jigoro Kano's original Jiu-Jitsu techniques and teaching methods.

[@vitorjjb]

True... in fact in Brazil... BJJ fighters when are preparing themselves to tournaments, they go to Judo Classes to learn more about grappling in their feets... true... im brazilian, and fighting jiu jisu for more than 10 years.;..

[@TheAgustinprado]

BJJ and Judo are raw Judo with out the silly Judo rules.

[@m5a1stuart83]

Not Judo but IJF...

[@Ivuspp]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925. Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). There is absolutely no question that the Gracie family demonstrated great skill and marketing acumen by promoting "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the masses. Helio Gracie's loss to Kodokan Judoka Masahiko Kimura was advertised as a "moral victory". More importantly, the Gracies sponsored the original Ultimate Fighting Championships when the world was begging for a professional combat sport with more depth than Boxing and more realism than the WWF. However, there is now a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students who only know half the story. Worse yet, they are often paying enormous prices for the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu name only to learn a subset of Jigoro Kano's original Jiu-Jitsu techniques and teaching methods.

[@franberrios4456]

And Judo is more likely Japanese Jiu-jitsu but with some adjustments. They are just cousins.

[@quickstep2408]

@@franberrios4456 there's catch wrestling mixed in because maeda was a prizefighter in brazil and around that time, competing against high level catch wrestlers, and therefore adding some into his repertoire in order to survive in that environment. its funny how so many ppl, and even bjj practitioners forget about the catch wrestling roots of maeda 'jujutsu'/gjj

[@quickstep2408]

yep, it's called freestyle judo, and it does exist, just very rare to find. hopefully it blows up in my lifetime...

[@rockos414]

I've trained Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling, and Judo. It helps to study each discipline, but I believe it's better to see everything as a whole. It's grappling, you don't need to categorize it into it's own box.

[@franberrios4456]

I like to see this kind of videos. There's always this rivalry between Judokas and BJJ practitioners of Who's the best, when both disciplines are coming from the Japanese Jiu-jitsu. The only difference is that each one is focused on a different type of situation. As a Judoka, nothing but respect to my BJJ teammates.

[@abbisgm3453]

Bjj actually was born from judo and judo not only was created from Japanese jiujitsu kano was intelligent traveling and adding wrestling and other arts to judo

[@boyo1991]

Decided to go to my first bjj class today. My judo school trains extensively both ground and standing. While bjj bluebelts can hold their own on my ground technique, seems like the two schools (imo) should not only compliment, but create one cohesive school. This is what my judo school is like, and I'm thankful for it every day.

[@Samboussr]

yes, it was a honor, back then i started specialized in NEWAZA, Kosen judo, before then was Fusen Ryu. that was back in 1980. today i teach JJJ, MMA and Judo Kodokan in Newaza with leg Locks .

[@jylpah]

Cross-training, exactly. Our BJJ teacher says directly that the focus is on the ground game and he teaches just basic (mostly wrestling style) take-downs and how we should join judo class for improving our stand-up game.

[@jerichoasprec4455]

Excellent Feature🙏 Both arts in reality compliment each other. (Anybody knows the name of the background music playing. Sounds motivational. Thank You)

[@Samboussr]

by the way, I´ve been training more than 36 years a lots of style, one of them I have specialized is Sambo Combat Sambo. Kyokushin Kai Kan (IKO) 6 Dan Kosen Judo 4 Dan Ju Jutsu 7 Dan Judo 4 Dan Aikijutsu 6 Dan Kendo 5 Dan Boran Muay Thai Uechi Ryu Karate Do 4 Dan I have fought 45 match in Sambo and MMA. old say in japan if you need to throw go to the Kodokan if you need to learn NEWAZA go to the kosen judo!

[@genewest7271]

I agree 100%!! Kodokan judo has by far more technique than people can understand. As I am a shodan I know the what it means to not just work hard but to ALWAYS have perfect technique in every detail of every move you make. This is how you ascend from a sport to an Art! Art is beauty!

[@hunterMH1]

i agree, the only reason why judoka need to cross train is because most clubs don't teach thorough newaza because of the way judo competition rules are.

[@BeyondGrappling]

great clip

[@wolfhammer2010]

I am an Orange Belt in Judo and a Blue Belt in BJJ. A silver medalist at the USJA S.C. games and a silver medalist at NAGA. I can tell you that since my inception I have used almost all techniques while in compeition. I am also tired of the silly war between the arts.

[@Supermomo2007]

bjj guys start the war with claiming bjj would be best martial art in the world.

[@megatron22it]

I train both. I love both equally

[@tickle4me2day]

Thanks for the reply. The cross training is already working. Also, just bought a landing mat from swainmats (not cheap) but kids need it as some of the judo throws HURT.

[@Samboussr]

you are right, back in Japan there are many NEWAZA specialist, lets start from the begin, I remeber back in the 80´s , while I was training with sensei Hirata Kanae at the "Kosen Judo" i´ve meet few brazilian BJJ pratictioner, many of them did not know how to roll and doing advanced Newaza, well I guess a lots of judoka around the world need to cross training with some japanese Kosen Judo schools, if their want develop the newaza.

[@dbmooo]

This is the real spirit! Respect!

[@pcjudosambo]

No points for submission attempts in Judo. In Judo you get avg of 3-5 seconds to secure a submission and once you secure it, you are given 10-20 seconds to finish it or transition into another submission or hold.

[@glock70]

Most club start digging in on Ne Waza around San kyu but if you can get a jump start and start at Green or blue in will really help when you compete .

[@TyHatfield]

yep agree. I am 6th Dan Jujisu, 4th Dan Hapkido, 1st Dan Judo, 1st Dan Kenpo. Then I have wrestled since I was 4, earning 3 time state high school championships, National champ in greco and freestlye. I have to say I also have trained alot in Catch Wrestling, and Sambo. I felt I needed not to go far from my tree as in doing too much punching and such but more hand to hand, throwing, and grappling ways. Thanks for sharring

[@moefinesse9878]

I'm a BB in judo and BJJ, I love both, but judo is more difficult to learn and harder on the body. I suggest that people start learning judo first before BJJ. Old judo masters would say, tachiwaza for the young and newaza for the broken body lol.

[@Kletterbuxe]

Both arts can contribute so much to each other !

[@TulanePass]

Agree, grip fighting will be great in BJJ, getting a dominant grip dictates the fight.

[@SBayne762]

If people just tried to learn from each other instead of trying to prove which is better, they could grow to heights previously unimaginable. Friendly, healthy competition is one thing, but too many people are closed minded and prevent themselves from learning. I've never not learned something useful from a bjj guy, and every time I've always reciprocated, because regardless of whether it's bjj or judo, we're all one big happy, fighting family.

[@TulanePass]

Actually what a person really needs is a plan for every attack. (: For example using Judo, 1 throw/trip for each direction (top right left bottom and angles in between which makes 8) now for guard tricks which uses BJJ. Using wrestling to work in the judo throws and leg attacks (since wrestling is more advance in this division) and positioning.

[@ryanrpggamer3902]

a very useful technique i see being used alot in judo tournaments is the butterfly guard so i guess alot of ground fighters train in other ground arts not only one style

[@glock70]

I would suggest A book By Moshe Feldenkrais called Higher Judo Ground work it has all the old school Judo Ne Waza that most clubs neglect most of the Ground work I learn in Jitz can be found in this book its a great guide I take a tech a day and work on it until I can apply it in Judo or Jitz if you don't mind me asking what Rank are you? I am a San kyu going up for Ni Kyu I compete on a regular bases .

[@kigawman]

Pretty Soon, there will be a fighter somewhere around the world, either from Japan, or in Brazil, or in America, or in Europe who will become both Olympic Champion in Judo and a BJJ mundial Champion.

[@abbhertz]

this song by the XX was huge way before Rihanna put vocals over it

[@booksak]

That's great that you are experienced. That experience hasn't taught you to be humble though, since you comment like you have a chip on your shoulder and have to remind everyone of your belt rank.

[@jiriheger8227]

Can someone pls tell me the name of the song playing in the background? Great vid btw, really happy to see it's not judo vs bjj anymore but team work instead:) thumbs up

[@JudoLife]

Mike Swain = Awesome

[@ericseo8252]

Marcio Bernstein Well, that's not true. I don't like your way calling BJJ. BJJ has much more complicated ground game, or Newaza, and Judo has much complicated and higher level of throwing, unbalancing techniques because of the rules, which eventually made them developed in different ways. I am learning and working on both (also wrestling), they are not the 100% same, but they are the similar, brotherhood martial arts. and cross training, will make you perfect, like some top BJJ fighters and top Judokas have shown.

[@delaseoul87]

Music: The XX - "Intro"

[@MrDpendleton04]

So true we worked on those in the last session.

[@kanguesso]

Lets not fool ourselves into thinking that only a Judo guy could benefit from Learning BJJ. A BJJ guy can also benefit immensely from learning Judo. In fact, it is a lot more practical for a BJJ guy to apply many if not ALL the judo throws and techniques than it is for a Judo guy to apply all of the BJJ techniques in a Judo competition because of the Olympic judo rules. I have seen many top notch BJJ guys who are horrible at bringing the fight to the ground and simply resort to "pulling guard".

[@glock70]

Its hard to find good Ne Waza based Judo clubs but they are making a come back a lot of Judo clubs are cross training due to the interest in sub grappling tourneys those of us that like to finish via submission and look past the ippon try out our Judo skills in sub tourneys so we cross train Jitz and a little bit of wrestling

[@s216674]

Great video.

[@glock70]

Just BJJ versions of Techniques BJJ does open your mind to different ways of hitting your Nage Waza helps to set up subz> since going back to Jitz its helped me look at my throws more closely and set up sold subs so being open minded to cross training even basic's can help everyone.

[@tickle4me2day]

My kids are in BJJ about 6 months and want to compete. I was watching kids mma and I can see that the kids that dominate use Judo throws to get the dominant position then use BJJ to finish. I also can see some kids with wrestling backgrounds using escapes. Any martial arts id good, but to compete and dominate you need 2 or more.

[@MFMontana]

Nice video! What's the name of the song?

[@delaseoul87]

What's the name of the background music?

[@SenseiBlackShadow]

Very nice record.

[@olot100]

yep :) but BJJ has different rules and has evolved differently. It's cool to see them clash

[@Romios_]

nice..hello from Greece..

[@kissendre]

Samboussr, I've grudgingly read your comment, you had experience with sensei Hirata personally.

[@AlexsrAlexjr]

Mrkitanai1 where you from? I wish to have the price you pay in my naborhood. I live in New York and average judo class per month cost $ 160 and bjj around 230

[@booksak]

That's not my point -- it's common consensus that Judo is tough. Your comments indicate a superiority complex (similar to the Gracie's when they went around challenging people), and you seem sheltered in regards to stuff that is not Judo. Especially in regards to your comments relating to MMA -- stop conflating the two sports. I'm glad that people like Swain exist.

[@lojjey]

He said BJJ, not Jiu Jitsu. Judo did come from Jiu Jitsu, but Jiu Jitsu was introduced into Brazil by a Judoka.

[@SenseiBlackShadow]

hmmm good point. but I think its great that he is trying to end the judo vs. bjj war. We need to come together instead of fighting. I am a brown belt in judo and a white belt in bjj. I will always love judo more because its my background. I agree with you that bjj has really nothing on old school ne-waza(kosen judo).

[@coldbared]

2x/week me & my kid we do Judo & BJJ so 2 sessions of each!! many of our BJJ team come to at least 1 of the Judo sessions even our BJJ coach!! He loves it as all of us do... These two combat sports are two sides of the same coin!

[@rinky_dinky]

MUSIC IS NICE !!!! WHAT IS IT?

[@maitrekano]

respect for both arts

[@Supermomo2007]

judo is an art, bjj is not an art, it is groundwork of judo. i can not remember that bjj has kata.

[@Audiofalcon7]

"BJJ people"? Are you serious? For someone who wants to be all "I am a woman and oppressed and proved myself!", you sure like to burn bridges where bridges can be created. This is the kind of pretension that makes people hate judo rather than see it as complimentary. BJJ and judo compliment each other perfectly and reciprocate wonderfully; if you don't think so, get inside a BJJ black belt's guard and see how fast your throws become useless when he finds a million ways to choke you. Humility.

[@extremecrossover]

dont forget catch wrestling, coach roy wood from snakepit in England..origin of catch as catch can wrestling

[@ricardoquincas4443]

parabens isso mesmo integração intercambio é importante.

[@melunjudo]

Il est bon ce Swain, c'est une petite piqûre de Newaza dans une bonne ambiance.

[@beskeptic]

Nakano-sensei in the back there...just watching to learn.

[@P0t7sy]

Best Video on KZbin with Judo and BJJ in the title. Yet despite all the mutual respect shown the video you still get arseholes from both camps arguing theirs is better. They both exist GET OVER IT. More importantly enjoy what you train because there is no way you will get good at it if you don't.

[@TheFurthurLSD25]

Fuck yeah for the music, The xx !

[@myz32rocks]

Amen!

[@timetomakeauturn]

OMG. Mike Swain is really gray! I still have the VHS of him at the olympics. Bet he could still whoop some butt. (I'm an older female judo black belt). I'd still do him on the mat! Also glad to read some of the comments from judoka taking their skills to BJJ and teaching those neanderthals some technique! So tired of seeing sloppy judo in MMA.

[@quickstep2408]

the concept of course makes sense, but just make sure you cross train techniques that benefit your style. you have to be objective when doing that. why bother training all these complex bjj moves, chaining different techniques together when it just takes 20 sec to pin someone in judo? that's the real reason why alot of judoka don't bother with cross training bjj. travis stevens said it best that they're two different styles, at least competitively with their respective rules. but on a holistic view of grappling, it makes COMPLETE sense to cross train the two. and honestly, that's how i'd want to learn my grappling -- becoming adept at all areas, not just mastering one... the only organizations in judo that do that are the freestyle judo ones... and they're very important to the preservation of judo, and forbidden judo techniques that are slowly becoming extinct because no one knows about them or practices them... damn shame smh...

[@Seamus_Dolan]

I find it so boring to watch BJJ vs Judo. Bjj guy usually just opts to the ground (before you say anything, I know that BJJ mostly focuses on groundwork) and it makes for a boring match. I prefer to watch judo or bjj guys go against striking martial arts. Very fun to watch

[@sparkyk24]

Unfortunately, it always depends heavily on where you are >.

[@HunGerMovies]

their GI always look like some F1 car sponsorship... btw nice to see this kind of cooperation with respect, but sounded a bit like another Gracie commercial

[@adamjerome2266]

I like this song dose any body no what it is

[@carlos3salas]

funny i heard the instructor used to train with guerrilla jj but see him promoting gbjj is kinda wierd?prob not true idk jus putting it out there

[@MrDpendleton04]

Yes Judo has ground work. It has hold and chokes.

[@timetomakeauturn]

Mentioning belt rank to qualify my comments. I know what I'm taking about from having to work hard to achieve something valuable and wanted to instruct those interested in doing the same. Especially women. They too can achieve success in a tough sport.

[@glock70]

agreed but a lot of Judo clubs strayed away from Ne waza now Judoka's have to take BJJ to up their Ground Game which I don't mind I love Jitz but like you Judo is my background

[@tomwalker389]

Where's Ralph.

[@quickstep2408]

in the parking lot wearing a black hoodie waiting for flavio to come out.

[@PsyChOTENCHU]

Totally, same martial arts essence but two differents types of competitions

[@bluteo27]

im working on it

[@wladerhenrique9456]

lindo de se ver

[@P1N60]

when BJJ is on hold. :P j/k ...read the top comments! :)

[@matmon88]

oss!!

[@rockos414]

Holy shit! I've never paid more than 100 dollars a month to train Jiu Jitsu or Judo. My advice, find a small school.

[@Ivuspp]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925. Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). There is absolutely no question that the Gracie family demonstrated great skill and marketing acumen by promoting "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the masses. Helio Gracie's loss to Kodokan Judoka Masahiko Kimura was advertised as a "moral victory". More importantly, the Gracies sponsored the original Ultimate Fighting Championships when the world was begging for a professional combat sport with more depth than Boxing and more realism than the WWF. However, there is now a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students who only know half the story. Worse yet, they are often paying enormous prices for the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu name only to learn a subset of Jigoro Kano's original Jiu-Jitsu techniques and teaching methods.

[@bornfedslaughter]

what's the argument? I thought it's obvious judo is superior standing, bjj is superior on the ground.

[@delaseoul87]

The xx - "Intro"

[@cacz2200]

No, Judo came from JiuJitsu.

[@MrUFClaw]

judo for stand up and bjj for ne-waza!!!

[@Supermomo2007]

judo has great newaza, i can not remember that kimura started to study bjj for beating helio, moron

[@jylpah]

But where can you find a school where to practice it? Everywhere where I have been the Judo guys go to BJJ to study groundwork and the BJJ guys join judo to learn the stand-up game. It’s just different focus. Cross-training rules.

[@judorican973]

Cross train the best way to train.

[@timetomakeauturn]

Kata is boring...but it really helps your judo.

[@POLICEWorkingK9]

Marti Malloy @ 1:30

[@eeee222ify]

Gracie Barra Brasil Ceará

[@timetomakeauturn]

You need a new dojo if mat work sucks. Focus on making your judo perfect BEFORE BJJ people get you. I see nothing but judo-junk in BJJ. Every BJJ gets off-balanced - that's when the "correct" judo wins. No matter how strong, heavy, or forceful the opponent, a master judoka has an advantage. I'm an older woman 2nd black belt. I worked frickin' hard in a mens' sport. I've lost track of the number of "tough" men who thought I would be easy. They aplogized when they were thrown to the mat!

[@jimmyalderson1639]

Judo and BJJ are two sides of a coin. To make a good martial art you need to specialise. Judo used to specialise in nagewaza and katamewaza, though it's katamewaza eventually began to lack due to the awful adjustments of rules in the sport. It is as though traditional judo diverged into modern judo and BJJ - and if you combine them then you effectively specialise in grappling as a whole. It's no good being able to beat anybody on the ground if you get your back broken on your way down there. And it's of little effectively to be able to throw someone, if you're no good at finishing them (thouh Osaekomi Waza have their own importance). So to learn both is a syllabus that is perfectly feaseable to learn, but impossible for one person to teach in the same classes. It is as thouh you wish to be a scientist, to be a a good scientist you could learn physics or chemistry or biology. But to be a great scientist you must learn all three - though you must learn them in different classes, because one 'science' class holds far too much information to be effectively communicated. That is how i see judo and BJJ, as two sciences in the science of grappling. Though they have their rivalries and competitions, i believe that kne day the two arts will converge again, and in fact i hope Judo can make BJJ's standup less cringy to watch, and i hope BJJ can encourage judo to let newaza be newaza

[@falmeida59]

BJJ Came from JUDO. MAEDA WAS JODOKA.

[@JohnRaymondWilliams]

and armlocks