Mike Lee (www.h2oma.com/) and Stephan Kesting (www.grapplearts.com) talk about the differences between BJJ groundwork and Judo newaza at a seminar in downtown Vancouver (at www.infightingmma.com)
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@jimdwyer194910 жыл бұрын
Judo compliments BJJ and BJJ compliments Judo. If you learn both and have a solid game with each, then you will be well rounded. Just remember, the Gracies have solid judo backgrounds but will never say it openly, like Rickson.
@johnnguyen60267 жыл бұрын
Judo for throws, BJJ for Ground, and Muay Thai for Strikes! You a Killing Machine!
@petterblo7 жыл бұрын
And wrestling for takedowns.
@asdfkhieee7 жыл бұрын
just add Muay Thai, Wrestling, and boxing, and you have a prefect fighter. Helps if you start training at 5 years old, cause thats a lot of stuff to learn lol.
@cixco61407 жыл бұрын
Boba Defett id say taekwondo would be the better option
@Fightme1v17 жыл бұрын
Francisco tkd is good for fancy kicking, not general striking
@davidc94412 жыл бұрын
Love the way practitioners of both these sports generally have so much respect for each other.
@thirdeyeblind6369 Жыл бұрын
I guess really it's due to the shared Ju-Jitsu heritage making us both essentially arts of grappling. Nice to see stuff crossing over like this.
@grinder27556 жыл бұрын
My son in just four and has started Judo in Japan. I hope he continues with it.
@jasonhood27143 жыл бұрын
Plot twist you live in Africa and sold your son
@romeopinas77303 жыл бұрын
@@jasonhood2714 xd
@jakubek893 жыл бұрын
in Japan it should be obligatory. is he still training?
@ktkt18252 жыл бұрын
He will get some very thorough training!
@trentonwarner40689 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant! Shows how Judo and BJJ can come together and share their expertise. Judo Nage-Waza with BJJ Ne-Waza. Coming from Judo, it's awesome to see how BJJ fighters can be so chill on the ground; while planning for their next attack. Brilliant video, excellent instructors.
@trentonwarner40689 жыл бұрын
Also forgot to add about Judo Ne Waza. I love seeing the sankaku applied; ecspecially attack turtle.
@elanreally35227 жыл бұрын
Trenton: Sankaku Jime was developed by Kosen Judo players. Sweeps were developed by Kodokan Judo players. Both are Judo contributions to the repertoire of Judo and other Martial Arts. BJJ really doesn't exist. ALL of BJJ is Kosen Judo. Or Judo on the Ground or Newaza. Judo is more academic and disciplined than BJJ. In BJJ many dirty tricks are allowed, techniques the founder removed from the sport (but not from Goshin Jiu Jitsu ) because of the danger of injury. The techniques however are still practiced in Tai Ho Jitsu or Goshin Jitsu and taught within the repertoire of Self Defense Judo. Some techniques are even secret. In BJJ there isn't the discipline, or protocol, upon starting and ending a class. The problem I have with BJJ is that it's really Judo brought to Brazil by Kimura taken over by the Gracies and now called BJJ. BJJ then became more street fighting oriented Judo. Players (and I hate to say this) are less educated, rougher on the edges than Judo players. In Japan Kosen Judo is taught in learning institutions like High Schools and Universities. Now, don't get me wrong, I have met many scum bag Judo players that I'd like to see dead. But generally, a 7th dan in Judo is much more academic, theory oriented than the equivalent in BJJ. In addition, some of these assholes who have BJJ schools don't answer their phones, want $140/month membership fees and don't keep a disciplined schedule. Judo, in this sense is more responsible. As for Throwing vs. Ground Work don't forget fights begin standing (Kosen Judo matches begin in the standing position and Kosen players become experts in the minor throws and takedowns). Since fights begin from a standing position a BJJ doesn't stand a chance against an expert Kodokan player in a street fight. One clean throw and it's lights out for BJJ player! Judo throws are also designed so that Tori can easily transition into Newaza from the throw. Having said all of this, I have to admit that BJJ may one day overcome Judo. Some of the BJJ players have more stamina and they practice with and without a Gi, they also have a huge, infinite set of Groundwork techniques to the point where competing becomes like a chess match. We'll see what happens. Judo has overcome similar crisises. One such crisis was when the sport had to change it's training regime because Wrestlers were more flexible and stronger than them.
@364245672547 жыл бұрын
yeah, and they overcame that with...changing the rules so you can't grab the leg. Can't wait for a new rule banning butterfly guards (or really, any type of guard game, they already immediately stand you up if you try to play closed guard). I always facepalm when judo people come whining that BJJ is nothing but stuff taken from Judo. Yes it is, and it's your fault they had to go and re-discover (and expand) it, or more precisely, your governing body's fault, because your super limited competition ruleset basically condemned those techniques into oblivion, so go whine on your IJF, not at BJJ. And i don't even practice BJJ, so don't tell me i'm biased, you are.
@daBJJ-ln8wt6 жыл бұрын
Trenton Warner thanks for the compliment Bud keeping my cool at bjj class not so easy lol
@rzzuuuiggghhvggjjk3876 жыл бұрын
elan really amen
@JudoLife11 жыл бұрын
i do judo (for 47 years) and always enjoyed butterfly guard.
@WarrenKirkpatrick3 жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between the butterfly guard vs the rubber guard in BJJ? Thank you
@JudoLife3 жыл бұрын
@@WarrenKirkpatrick I am sorry I only go rolling at BJJ a few times each year, I am not familiar with BJJ terminology of rubber guard, please research it.
@krishanattri93053 жыл бұрын
@@WarrenKirkpatrick huge difference, rubber guard was created by Eddie bravo and has completely different positioning, and butterfly guard usually utilizes the gi, rubber guard can be used for both gi and no-gi, probably even better in no-gi
@fletcherdelvalle84598 жыл бұрын
I am in japan but not studying judo or jujitsu...shame on me.
@jasondownsnet8 жыл бұрын
I'm from Monterey and never played golf. When I was a kid, some of the best courses in the world sent reps to local schools and had programs so we could play golf on some of the most in demand courses in the world. But I thought I was way to cool to play golf. Too busy playing football. Now I'm, grown up and it would cost 600 dollars to play those same course and have a year wait list.
@fletcherdelvalle84598 жыл бұрын
darn, I'd love to learn...
@silentquiet7 жыл бұрын
Nowadays, you may be able to find better Judo dojo at France rather than Japan. I am Japanese and I watched TV program that French judo master came to Japan to teach Japanese black-belt judo guys.
@364245672547 жыл бұрын
+Alex You don't have to go to Japan though. I pratice Kudo, i'm in Italy. I'm not sure how spread it is in the USA, but it's fairly present also in Spain, England, France, and even more Russia and other estern european countries. If you still don't make the list, i advise you to try Kyokushin karate or any of its offshoots (particularly Enshin karate if you're in the USA, or its predecessor Ashihara karate, as their competition rules also allows some throws), after all that's where Kudo began.
@robertnew45076 жыл бұрын
yeah. Shame on you. You are breaking the stereo type us Americans have that you guys and all Asians are all black belts at some martial art.
@storytime62636 жыл бұрын
One throw in a self-defense situation on pavement and he is done.
@christopherwalker60563 жыл бұрын
Not for me. I'm super tough. Throwing me is like throwing a piece of iron down on the pavement. I'm made of steel and iron. When I get slammed on the ground, the ground gets hurt really badly.
@jackward25813 жыл бұрын
Christopher Walker Ooo... your hard.
@christopherwalker60563 жыл бұрын
@@jackward2581 that's what she said. 🤣
@CarlosRoberto-zi4ls3 жыл бұрын
@@christopherwalker6056 ohh I see what you did here 😑
@christopherwalker60563 жыл бұрын
@Josh E Exactly!
@MrLeafsta4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I train in Kickboxing and traditional Judo. Judo is a tough martial art to learn, but I love it. Randori knocks the hell out of me. I'm 40 and train 3-4 times a week.
@theonlyonestanding807910 ай бұрын
Would Mauy Thai be easier to learn than judo ?
@k1legkicker4764 жыл бұрын
Which grappling would be good to add to my k1ckboxing stand up judo or freestyle wrestling only options in my area any advice on this guys
@Mian8v10 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone else agrees with this. That was my thought as well, about putting the guy on the ground. Maybe you will or won't knock someone out depending on his opening, but you're always clear and get a second to collect yourself after dropping someone. From a street fight where he has friends, you get an extra half second to see someone else coming in. From an Army perspective, dropping someone and getting away from them allows you to raise your weapon.
@Montestuma10 жыл бұрын
Butterfly guard is very common in judo, just depends on the geographically location that you train in I guess.
@Montestuma10 жыл бұрын
geographic*
@SeanWinters5 жыл бұрын
@KonicavaBR I was lucky enough to practice the art much more than the sport, and the difference when we went to tournaments was astounding. Now, I started at 11, and I obviously sucked for a few years, but by the time I was 15 I was beating 19 year olds(I was overweight and had to fight up in age class). Our focus on the art, rather than the sport, did well for us. It made us extremely well rounded, unlike a few schools that taught its students to "perfect" 3 or 4 throws and 1 transition to a holddown, one armbar, or one choke. Not to say those other schools were "bad" at all, many Florida schools send Olympians, but at the lower level the art does well. Not to mention the art's advantage in self-defense.
@abbisgm3453 Жыл бұрын
Yes!! Because there are judo school that focus only in throws so I’m glad my teacher teach me judo newaza so I don’t need Bjj because Bjj was born from judo ground game o nage WAZA
@compass3309 Жыл бұрын
@@abbisgm3453 yes you need the bjj because the mothodolgy in bjj to aply the techniques on the ground are superior to the judo even the japones recognize this, if you wanna be good in ne-waza you need to training jiu jitsu, the brazilian judoca Flávio Canto its a exemplo of that he is black belt in bjj as well and beat everybody in ne-waza on olympics games using bjj.
@abbisgm3453 Жыл бұрын
@@compass3309 i like having conversations with people like you that knows what I’m talking about!! Yeah I’ll give you that point there.. because Japanese are to traditional and Bjj is a modern version of grappling. what I’m not ok is people think that it doesn’t come from Japan’s grappling and jiu jitsu is Japanese art of grappling without weapon and now with have Brazilian methodology which is fair and can be unique and that’s why is call BJJ. but, also I don’t need Bjj for few reasons!! 1st my school have a Bjj instructor and my training partners when we do Ne Waza I’m pretty much as good as them not bragging about because my sensei is a great judoka and way to traditional. Means he teaches us self defense and a lot judo grappling also teach us about Sport judo too and how to apply the techniques 2nd my sensei is a MMA fighter which I take those classes too so he teaches NO GI to combine striking and grappling hey but I love my Bjj people. I just like things to be told the right way that’s all!!
@londonrhodes24293 ай бұрын
I love how they talked about the differences without trying to declare one "better."
@364245672547 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is Kano, when asked about the Olympics, stated his fear that it would with time replace Judo with "competition Judo" and become only a sport. Well he was right. Judo fell in the hands of the IJF (itself having to answer to the olympic comittee) and so it happened that it lost most of its ne-waza, as well as a good number of techniques being banned when IJF decided grabbing the leg didn't make for exciting judo (probably same reasoning as why they made newaza so restricted). I think we all know BJJ comes from Judo (which itself comes from variosu forms of JJJ), but yeah, BJJ exists because your governing bodies chose to ban and/or neglect a good deal of techniques and strategies, and the brazilians capitalized on it. Thankfully i might say, as now they're once again out there being practiced, even if they had to put a different label on it. Ofc the Gracies did their rebranding and monetizing, whatever, it's been done in karate and TKD too, the important thing is they survived and indeed advanced. So as an outsider to both I have to say, if you Judo people are jealous of BJJ's recent sucess (as many reveal to be in their comments), i think you only have "yourselves" (as in, your governing bodies) to blame.
@mongolchiuud89315 жыл бұрын
Vision but Kano was the one pushing for it to be in the Olympics....Kano is one of the founding members of the Olympic comitee up until his death...lol
@d4n4nable5 жыл бұрын
@sienna three Feel free to fight to the death.
@jesuschristislord77545 жыл бұрын
I love both, grappling is life.
@MeleDrummer8 жыл бұрын
Cool! Would love to see some demonstrations of the differences, do you have more on this?
@falmeida5911 жыл бұрын
BJJ came from judo. I am Brazilian and i Know that. Mitsuyo Maeda was a judoka and never practiced another style of JJ apart from Kano Jujutsu. So the difference is only the rules.
@Ryudayz2 жыл бұрын
Same art, different sport, I'd say.
@XIIIX11 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was actually very helpful, thanks SK, your videos have helped me polish some of my techniques.
@juliandelarosa248210 жыл бұрын
I thought this was an excellent video , thank you. I've practiced bjj ,i've recently signed my son up for Judo ,and im really excited for him.
@MrHeathcliff836 жыл бұрын
i train judo and bjj its awesome how both fits together!
@chavamma11 жыл бұрын
This is amazing man Both sports are great one ancestor of the other Glad you upload these videos its great a harmony in between sports :)
@ocarey211 жыл бұрын
First time i've ever seen a BJJ instructor on a youtube video actually know what they are talking about when it comes to Judo. So many BJJ instructors post Judo intsructionals with terrible technique etc. Great Vid. Stephen Kesting is one of the best for KZbin instructionals
@lenaguilar501Ай бұрын
Thank for the great explanation, both of you.
@blastermitch11 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud. I've been studying Judo for 6 years now.
@humankind43435 жыл бұрын
I've practiced Judo for over 15 years and had the priviledge to trained and compete every evenings of with National, Olympic Combattants male and femelle. Today, I'm practising BJJ and I found many of strangulations, limbs locks etc difficult to adapt to some of BJJ Arts movements. Perhaps after so many years practicing Judo and learning "tricks" (pushing elbow don't the lower ribs( no need to be mean, take it easy) make your opponents "uneasy and unfocus" while you "working" on him/her, for ex.) from some of best judokas and my "secret" :-) own and can't adapt mind and body into the BJJ. I respect the Art, the Masters, teachers, Pupils and the sens camaradery on/ouside the Dojo. But ... can't do it . Am I the only one?
@OVERCAPITALIZE11 жыл бұрын
Any videos in Mike Lee sparring stand up and ground work?
@Demonlord1100011 жыл бұрын
im just now gettin back into martial arts, i did tae kwon do for 3 years then stopped for 2 and a half. should i go into jiu-jitsu? judo? or another martial arts? im curious and would appreciate the input. thnx
@tomwalker3897 жыл бұрын
You guys have Judo Olympians as students?! Jesus.
@mustard..6 жыл бұрын
Yeah- I dont know about that... The last -90kg player for the US was in 2008 and his name was Brian Olsen. Not whoever he said.
@tomwalker3896 жыл бұрын
They're Canadian.
@mustard..6 жыл бұрын
Oooohhhhh Alex Emond. Makes sense now. Sorry...
@kyriethegoat80072 жыл бұрын
my master is killian le bloutch in france :) olympic judoka
@bacon83534 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on the bjj place you go to. In my bjj place we are super explosive and aggressive when rolling and bridging like there’s a timer
@josepestaner21111 жыл бұрын
this is what i been doing for years and been telling people to do and alot of judokas(on adverage) i know cant adapt to the brazilians ne-waza or mentality and the brazilians couldnt throw if their lives depended on it(on average) nagae waza best part i like about the video is the talk about after the throw u got a great chance to hold down a guy for your submission which almost no one talks about great video!
@Ramone_JiuJitsu11 жыл бұрын
You are correct in saying that you can punch/headbutt. One thing that should be noted though, is that success in holding a position comes from the proper application of weight. It is very very difficult to hold a position and strike effectively at the same time. Because, effective striking from a dominate position inherently forces you to leave space to generate the leverage needed to be effective. For a skilled practitioner it is actually easier to escape a position when a person is striking
@laistar11 жыл бұрын
both are great, together they are amazing. I do BJJ and the take downs are what's lacking, so I am impressed when I see a BJJ practitioner use a Judo move when standing up.
@ktkt18252 жыл бұрын
In a Judo match, transitions are needed from a knock-down, or not fully successful throw, and will help you continue the match on the ground. Refs are quick to call for a reset if they do not see clear progress in groundwork on the mat.
@lousychit-chat14506 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me, what does he have on his fingers? I have seen it a lot, but I do not know what it is.
@THUGLIFEhks6 жыл бұрын
Lousy chit-chat I think it helps from tearing your skin when you grip the gi
@mongolchiuud89315 жыл бұрын
He master baits to much and injured his fingers.
@the_famous_reply_guy11 жыл бұрын
I see no comments? I really enjoy Stephen bring in other martial artist and allowing them to speak freely about there discipline.
@colinweir150111 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the backup mate,
@kyle96488 жыл бұрын
Anytime of leg work for my jujitsu school is open, anything you can do and know is allowed except attacking reasonable areas (groin, eyes etc.)
@maxhensley168511 жыл бұрын
The technique I'd go for there is the one pressure point everyone knew about on the schoolyard back when I was in grade school; base of the jaw under the ear. Doesn't need any more force than you can generate with hand strength. The first time I rolled with my jujitsu teacher, I thought "this is just like the old days!" and got my hand up in there to show I could attack from that position. He told me it was a good technique for the street but it'd get me disqualified in competition.
@f12m3411 жыл бұрын
Brazilian Jiujitsu came from Judo, the techniques are the same. What changes is that since people train with a competitive emphasis and adapt to training with those set of rules they specialize on what the rules favor. In Judo, rules favor stand-up while in Bjj they favor groundwork. Brazilian Jiujitsu is in fact Kosen Judo or Pre-World War II Judo. Before World War II Judo rules were more liberal and you could go straight to the ground without having to throw your opponent.
@dan56269 ай бұрын
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Judo both came from Japanese Ju-Jutsu, "ju-jutsu" being an umbrella term for every martial arts style affiliated to Japanese martial history and Budo philosophy. Judo was put together by Jigoro Kano as a sport only, being a melange from different styles (ryu) dating back as far as the mid Tokugawa shogunate. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu came from japanese immigrants in Brazil that were versed in some of these ryu, as well as some also being affiliated to Kodokan. Mitsuyo Maeda, who taught Carlos Gracie his Ju-Jutsu was well versed nidan in two traditional Ju-Jutsu styles before he even set foot in Kodokan. It developed in its own as a martial arts first, only becoming a sport in the late 20th century...giving birth to vale-tudo and eventually MMA. That is why none of the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu schools in eraly 20th century were opened under the guise of Judo, going back to the first founders in Brazil. It has always been Jiu-Jitsu, as the originators in Brazil were introduced to. To say that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu comes from Judo is not only wrong, but a deliberate lie.
@Sam-rb1id6 ай бұрын
@@dan5626 But the Gracies learnt Judo from one of Kano Jigaros (founder of Judo) students. So BJJ literally comes from Judo and every BJJ practitioner can trace their lineage back to Kano. However I would disagree that BJJ is literally Kosen Judo. It is for the most part Kosen Judo but has melanged a bit with other wrestling styles (particularly in the USA) and I would say it has developed new moves and subtleties of its own at this point. Some would say developed for the better and others might think for the worse (as it becomes more and more sportified and further from the Gracies original street fighting system).
@dan56266 ай бұрын
@@Sam-rb1id If you read the text above and still came up with this reply, there is nothing more I can say that will help you.
@153gmoney11 жыл бұрын
this is a good explanation on how newaza judo and bjj differ.
@b7r7u7c7e10 жыл бұрын
It really depends what school you go to. I train at the Gracie gym in Berckley ca and they have a judo class. There are some pure grappling schools ive visited were there a hybrid of bjj/judo/and wrestling. I saw a jugo guy do a brutal single leg take down and finish with an armbar. I saw a wrestler in this class do a classic leg sweep off his Russian tie. So it depends on the school.
@MeroGrumble5 жыл бұрын
The "in Judo, they are not used to the butterfly guard" comment sounds pretty weird to me: 1) *Each time I see a high level judoka using a guard , it's the "butterfly" guard* . It's even used to get under a "turtled" opponent and sweep him/her over. You can see A LOT of Japanese judoka doing that. 2) It's also *the number 1 guard in all judo books* I have, probably because it allows a lot of sweeps (pretty useful when you want to pin someone and not being stood up) 3) *Low belts learn the butterfly sweep in France* and *I have learnt it again in the Dojo where I am now in Belgium* after going back to Judo Is it a difference between US/Canadian and Japanese/European Judo or am I just living in a parallel universe?
@mongolchiuud89314 жыл бұрын
i thought that was weird too as butterflie guard is the most used guard after the spider guard in most judo gyms..
@JoachimderZweite11 жыл бұрын
I have always been a judo fan and this video was really good and instructive. There are some Japanese judo instructors who always teach transition even when you get the ippon so their students are always going straight to newaza. However modern Judo wants ippons and so newaza is often at the refs discretion.
@bjarneungerer300010 жыл бұрын
Your wrong a good judo fighter goes in the ground after throwing!
@SuperBKDK8 жыл бұрын
+Bjarne Ungerer you're*
@364245672547 жыл бұрын
"in the ground" lol the famous burrowing judo techniques
@khrystoferambriz58977 жыл бұрын
Vision lol
@bekabel3106 жыл бұрын
of Course,a Judo Champion is proficient standing Nage Waza/Throws as well as Ne Waza/Ground fighting
@aaronswenson18656 жыл бұрын
beka bel Nage Waza are throws, Tachi Waza means standing.
@ChristopherShabazz8 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Thanks for the explanation.
@Zack14406 жыл бұрын
Judo is infinitely more realistic than BJJ in a street fight. BJJ is good for Gracie marketing (trademark) and for places were you fight in mats and in controlled environments (sports).
@mpforeverunlimited5 жыл бұрын
That would be true if there was a such thing as no gi judo. Bjjs issue is that it starts on the ground, judos issue is the gi, and wrestlings issue is the lack of submissions. The only grappling art that is catch wrestling and it's dead.
@equal23265 жыл бұрын
depends on where you live, where i live people wear thick clothes year round so judo really is optimal
@hellosenorjarnton91935 жыл бұрын
equal well on that case bjj would be too
@equal23265 жыл бұрын
@@hellosenorjarnton9193 no, the whole point is that i dont really want to go to the ground
@hellosenorjarnton91935 жыл бұрын
equal in judo arent you taking the person to the ground?
@1swt11 жыл бұрын
I wish more people understood this!
@cazio202011 жыл бұрын
I like the objectivity of many of the comments posted here. The way I see it, judo and jiujitsu are just 2 branches of the same tree. One focuses more on ground work, and the other on stand up fighthing. But they're not too far away from each other. The best advice is to cross-train, with and opened mind, and leave your pride aside.
@Absurdword11 жыл бұрын
@alwerty1 oh absolutely. it's a small percentage of schools these days that really teach good, quality Judo. and to me, it's making groundwork second nature after a throw. there are many beautiful techniques that can be passed on.
@zeusblack4711 жыл бұрын
It's good seeing this cooperative learning environment. Why I say this is that a Judoka name Maeda taught the Gracies nearly 100 years ago. Judo had changed and the Gracies kept the other half of Judo. Now it's time for Judo to get its groundwork involved in their sport instead of just throws.Now Judo can be whole again white the addition to Atemi blows.
@jimmyalderson16396 жыл бұрын
I think the only thing that separated judo from BJJ are the rules. F judo was given sub,ission grappling rules then i reckon people wold neglect their standup and start analysing positions and aweeps and it'll just turn into BJj. Likewise i think if BJj had judo rules people will start paying more attention to standup because t's a new aspect that you could get an advantage in. Thus judo and BjJ are the same thing. Even the princples lf BjJ like table leg theory and loadong, we use those in judo too but im standup. Thus BjJ real,y is just judo tachiwaza applied to groundwork. Training in both will give the ultimate gain in yielding combat. As Kano-shihan said, you should focus more on your standup, but if you are able to then you must become equally adept at both
@AmbroseBoaBowie5 жыл бұрын
This is looking at Judo V BJJ from a stand point of BJJ in a Judo torniment. What about the other way around?
@mongolchiuud89315 жыл бұрын
American Berserker leg reaping is legal n widely used as a sweep set up in judo. While BJJ banned it.
@AmbroseBoaBowie5 жыл бұрын
o really? i didn't know
@henh3211 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I wish I read your comment before I wrote mine. Out of interest do you train in the USA? I get the impression that groundwork and therefore transition/control of opponent is so badly taught in USA that people think Judo doesn't have ground game. I train under a 70 year old Japanese Kodokan teacher in Australia and transition is a beginners basic. It is worrying a dan grade on this video talks about it like it is the not the normal thing to do.
@bundy4prez4626 жыл бұрын
So their both judo with different newaza rules. Like kosen judo for example.
@f12m3411 жыл бұрын
That's basically what's different. Other than that, if you learn both martial arts without the competitive approach, the ground techniques are the same. The first generation of gracies just simplified Judo to what would work for everyone and anyone and took out the techniques that required too much strength (many of the throws) and specialized on ground work which even weak people could use to tackle bigger opponents. Helio Gracie himself I think had a 6th Dan in Judo.
@alwerty111 жыл бұрын
thats a great method of training you guys use but i've noticed that more dojos nowadays are more focused on the stand up rather than the ground work including the one I used to train at. It seems the focus is mainly competition rather than the art itself which is really unfortunate because judo has a lot more techniques to offer apart from the takedowns.
@joopsnoop7 жыл бұрын
I like this guy's humility. Very budo.
@boyo199111 жыл бұрын
i would also like to respectfully counter on the judoka training. now this may not happen at every school, im not sure.. but our training regiment on a normal days training goes as follows: 5 5 min rounds ground randori, some ground technique training, 5 5 min rounds standing randori (going into ground work for 5 secs, even if advanced position, stand back up), standing technique.. of course Q.A. comes next... we focus equally on ground, altho we dont play it much due to the energy consumption
@dirtydragonsmc839610 жыл бұрын
the prob is in judo im a judoka is that u need more then 5 seconds to do ur ground work maybe 15 seconds
@elvinsmatthew7 жыл бұрын
im no judoka but i do have a question for the sake of curiosity. with what you said about the judo guy having much quicker ground work in a submission only match for eg does it mean they tend to be......more dominate?
@ashleyhughes58227 жыл бұрын
Matthew Elvins you could say that. for every move you do you also set up a way for the opponent to escape or to turn it on you. a judoka will be more explosive and try and charge through his opponent but as doing so may also run the risk of slipping up. a bjj practitioner has all the time in the world so theyll be less explosive and more tidle tadling around making sure their in the perfect position and minimizing the chance of a slip up. this is for competition though. i practice judo and when we play neiwaza we just roll around and dont worry about the rules to much to really get the feel for ground work and getting out of holds it might take tou 45 seconds but hopfully you get better at it so you can do it quicker. gotta remember bjj is just judo but with a different rule system so a different emphasise. bjj was invented by a japanese judoka. why its called bjj is beyond me. the rules in judo are supposed to be more aimed at a battlefeild. i.e. if you are held down for 20 seconds for sure someone has stabbed you by now.
@elvinsmatthew7 жыл бұрын
interesting
@jeanackle7 жыл бұрын
+ashley hughes What I could pick up on (with no absolute certainty) why the Judo derived Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is called like that instead of Brazilian Judo is this: Jigoro Kano "created" derived Judo from Japanese Ju-Jitsu (it was originally just a variant of Ju-Jitsu. like several others back then). Over time, Kano designed it not only as a set of particular techniques but also as a philosophy. As part of his philosophy he dictacted Judokas could take part in competition with other fighters but only as a means for learning and improving; they could not take part in competitions for money. Mitsuyo Maeda was a very talented disciple of Jigoro Kano and eventually mode to America where he tried to teach his craft. The Westerners weren't very receptive back then. Just to survive financially he ended up participating in prize fights where he was very successful; successful but going against his Judo philosophy (or the philosophy of Kano). Eventually, he taught much of his craft to some people, namely the Gracies but instead of calling it Judo, he called it Jiu-Jitsu (which, I guess, did not dishonour Kano's philosophy and, at the same time, wasn't a complete lie either, as Judo had begun as a form of Ju-Jitsu). And as far as it's said (and I have no reason to desbelieve), the Gracie family further added to Maeda's teachings (which were not everything he himself knew either). A bit of a convoluted story but a fair one I guess, which doesn't take anything away from either art.
@jeanackle7 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Elvins I did Judo when I was a kid, from 8 to 10 yo if I remember correctly. My instructor did rant a couple of times about the "new sport Judo that removed ground Judo from the competition" and also how "current Judo champions only need to learn a handful of throws and practice them to perfection so they get Yipons and never need to go to the ground"... So yes, we did Judo groundwork a lot. And I love it. I was actually rather mediocre at throwing, though at the same time I had a good standing defense. Most of the time I'd get scored a "Kokai" (not sure that's the right way it sounds now) for a throw I'd done, which basically means "Ok, we'll say you threw your oponent though it rather looks like he fell down on his own..." Or at least that's how it sounded to me... :-D Anyway, I was so bad at throws I would sometimes let them throw me 'cause on the ground, against the kids I was sparing with, victory was mine! So, my own bragging aside, at the end of each session, we would spare, two of us at a time in the center of the room while all others watched; and our instructor had this rule that once one was on the ground, the higher either one could "stand up" was on their knees. And from that point on, only a 30 seconds long pindown or a submission would end the match. Oddily enough, my oponents would always try and get into turtle position. Again, I learned I was much more effective in taking their back and submitting them than I was at pinning them down on their backs for an eternal 30 seconds, so... I really ought to stop procrastinating going back to Judo... Only I don't want the sports Judo, I want the real thing... :-D
@ashleyhughes58227 жыл бұрын
+Someone1976 very interesting! Thank you for that.
@gklari46249 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me the main difference between judo and BJJ? Whats skills can be advantage in the two styles? I am doing kick and punch focused martial arts (TKD) right now and am thinking of starting something more ground-based in addition.
@mickey66889 жыл бұрын
I'll preface this by saying that I do BJJ, not Judo. However, I'm quite the Judo fan, so hopefully I'm not too far off here. Someone more knowledgeable, please correct me if I'm wrong. BJJ and Judo are historically intertwined, but you can find that information really easily on wikipedia. In terms of technique, they share a lot, but there are some differences. Firstly, grip fighting (trying to get dominant grips) is very similar in both arts. The idea in both is to put yourself in a position where you can bring your opponent to the ground. Secondly, takedowns. Due to the differences in competition rules, a BJJ practitioner is allowed a greater variety of takedowns. For example, a common BJJ takedown is the double-leg, which is closer to wrestling. It doesn't require any special grips before you make the move (in some ways it's similar to a crash tackle in a sport like rugby). The fact that it's a no-grip takedown precludes it from being used in tournament Judo. So while many techniques for takedowns/throws are practically the same between both arts, there are certain things BJJ does that would be illegal in a Judo match. To give you an example of a throw common to both BJJ and Judo, you can look at almost any hip throw - take the tsuri-goshi. Usually the setup is the same - get the right grips (wrist and waist/belt), get your feet, hips and head into the correct position, then complete the throw. However there are small differences that owe to some slightly different principles in each respective art. In Judo, throws like the tsuri-goshi are typically taught to be finished with you on your toes for explosive power. In BJJ, especially Gracie Humaita JJ, the same throw is done with the feet flat on the ground to provide a stronger base. This is in part because if you blow the move, you don't want your opponent to be able to easily dislodge your grips and for example, take your back. With a strong base it's much easier to get out of a standing bearhug-type hold. If you're on your toes, you're going to hit the mat with your opponent on your back, in a perfect position to pin you flat (he'll hook his feet on the inside of your thighs, and use his arms to pull out yours, effectively flattening you and leaving him in one of the most dominant positions there is). Thirdly, submissions. As this video said, the pace at which submissions are looked for is very different for BJJ and Judo, owing to peculiarities in the rules for each. However, the positions are very similar and quite interchangeable, as Mike showed in this video. In BJJ you have the luxury of not having to worry about being pinned and losing the match, which allows for a slower, more deliberate setup. In my experience though, both are very effective, owing to different things. Achieving a submission in Judo is often predicated on you completing a throw (which does not result in an ippon - where the throw puts the opponent on his/her back with control, ending the match). Using the tsuri-goshi again as an example, you can see that after completion of the throw, the opponent's arm is still held tightly, allowing the thrower to immediately jump into an arm-bar, or similar sort of position. If the arm is lost in the throw, it is much harder to achieve that lightning fast submission Mike was talking about. In BJJ (with competitors of similar levels of skill) a takedown will usually result in a person first fighting for a good defensive position (the most common example being closed guard) before they attempt to set up the submission. Thus, a takedown in BJJ can not go exactly to plan per se, but still allow you a solid position from which to work. So in short, what I'm saying is, both arts share a huge amount of techniques, just with different principles that are predominantly based around peculiarities in tournament rules, and in the case of BJJ, self-defence. The focus is different - in Judo, scoring an ippon ends the match. It doesn't require a submission or pin, just a well-executed throw. In BJJ, the fight is about establishing position and preferably succeeding in submitting your opponent. Both use the same techniques to get to positions that are often the same, just with a different emphasis. FINALLY, to your point about the advantages of the two styles in a real-world scenario. I've done standup martial arts for six years before I took up BJJ. What I often found during full contact sparring (not rules-based, more to try and simulate a street fight type of scenario) was that, being a small guy who doesn't weigh much, the fight almost always ended up on the floor. I've only been involved in one serious altercation in the (mad) real world, and it was a similar story. I threw a punch, but was slightly off target, so the blow glanced off the guy's face. Hitting the sweet spot when your adrenalin is up and the fight happens without warning can be very difficult. Doing TKD, I'm sure you know that hitting the sweet spot even in training can be difficult. Even with my training, I was slightly off balance after the punch, after which the fellow (who was extremely drunk at the time) fell on top of me. I didn't know what to do, and was lucky enough to get out and get up unharmed. However, it could've easily ended up with a really large, drunk man sitting on top of me, wailing on me. What BJJ has taught me in terms of real-world application, is what to do in such a situation. It isn't what you might think from watching movies, where I pull some sick sweep and choke the guy out. It's more that, once in that situation, I have a better idea of how to get back to my feet without getting seriously hurt, or alternatively, locking the guy up so that he can't move until he either calms down (which really does happen when the adrenalin starts to wear off) or someone such as your friends, a good Samaritan, or a police officer, can take control of the situation. I hope this has been helpful!
@gklari46249 жыл бұрын
mickey6688 Thank you very much for taking time answering me. You explained exactly the points that were still unclear to me, so it was really a big help :)
@mickey66889 жыл бұрын
My pleasure.
@zakharpedalkin37649 жыл бұрын
mickey6688 Great post
@jesussons56399 жыл бұрын
mickey6688 firstly true you bring them to the ground in both art secondly you said you do bjj and now we can see you are complete bias haha when you say it have a greater variety of takedown in bjj than judo its ridiculous statement right there hum you say double leg in bjj its probably bcz you do no gi class and a no gi class got wrestling throw in it bcz its not bjj but grappling class but most of it its bjj and by that same road i can almost say you learn your bjj in a mma school no grip???? nah if you watch competition video in 100% of them you see grip both are done with a gi so its all abouth the grip Throw are complete diferent you dont pass people over your back in bjj cmon plzzz................anyway i dont to be rude but you know shit about both art so i will stop comenting for every single of your comment in that wrong book you got no comon sens at all
@leoprzytuac36603 жыл бұрын
I actually would like Judo competitions to be 50% standing and 50% ne waza. Like, for example, you pull off a good throw, you score a point, then it continues on the ground to submission. If you get the submission, you win, if the other guy gets you, you both have a point, so it goes into another round which would probably be a matter of one throw, unless you both go down in which case it'd be submission again.
@ktkt18252 жыл бұрын
The emphasis away from groundwork in Judo competitions was a choice to the make matches more dynamic and interesting to watch for spectators.
@leoprzytuac36602 жыл бұрын
@@ktkt1825 I think it's time for someone to change that
@mooners4011 жыл бұрын
solar panel for a love machine?
@f12m3411 жыл бұрын
The reason why its called "Brazilian Jiujitsu" instead of "Brazilian Judo" is because at the very beginning of the 20th century when Count Koma migrated to Brazil and taught the Gracies Judo it was still widely known as "Kano Jiujitsu", since Kano founded Judo in the late 19th century as synthesis of different techniques from different styles of Japanese Jiujitsu.
@jwgoon5 жыл бұрын
f12m34 Kano specifically combined the teachings of the Tenjin Shinyo Ryu and the Kito Ryu jujutsu schools in order to create judo. Just some additional info
@apacheslim3 жыл бұрын
f12m34 Mayeda used Jiu-Jitsu techniques that were left out of judo due to injuries they caused. That’s why it became a more deadly art b
@scarred1011 жыл бұрын
the philosophy of judo was very different to jujitsu which was a battle art while judo was meant to enrich a persons life with self defense secondary.The reason it works where jujitsu didnt is becasue it spars full resistance,it has very little interest in self defense today,some traditional senseis might address it infrequently.
@ClovisRoisDesFrancs3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, Good explanation ! But in europe especially in france Transitions to newaza is key its part of the first thing we learn when we do newaza thanks to our gran master Mikinosuke Kawaishi (specialist of Newaza) So the transition and the ground aspect knowledge of judo depends a lot of where you are on the globe ^^ Travis Stevens always says that judo newaza is quite bad in usa and it might be true because I hear in a lot of vidéo (comin from the us) that judo has a very bad ground game in general. 🤷♂️ But nice video ! I always enjoy when a bjj bb talk about judo because he sees our martial art from a different angle 🙂
@Supermomo2007 Жыл бұрын
in germany judo newaza is very good, too.
@f12m3411 жыл бұрын
Well, the ending "Do" in Judo means "way", while the ending "Jitsu" in Jiujitsu means "Art". "Do" implies a philosophy, a way of life that goes beyond the physical techniques. "Jitsu" just implies art, the learning and mastering of said techniques and nothing else. Kano named "Judo" because as you say he did want his students to become something more than just mere fighters, but exemplary people in society. Although this is true, this isn't the reason why Kano changed the competitive Judo rules
@SoldierAndrew2 жыл бұрын
Judo still retains the armed military combat mentality whereas Brazilian Jiujitsu retains the unarmed, man to man, dueling mentality. In battle taking the opposition off their feet then shanking them to death before facing the next adversary is life or death combat. Unarmed dueling, holding the opponent down til they gas out, establish position before submission, wins unarmed two man duels. Judo is more military. BJJ is based upon civilian dueling. Here's supporting video exhibit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooeylYV9oZpnp6s
@philv25297 жыл бұрын
I think Judo pacing is faster because in a tournament you only have so long to do something before the ref stands your asses up.
@philv25297 жыл бұрын
shit sorry I made that comment at the start of the video and then watched more and he basically said the same thing.
@NuevoVR6 жыл бұрын
delete it then
@Mike_LaFontaine756 жыл бұрын
You lose if you're pinned for 25 seconds.
@LJSJIUJITSU11 жыл бұрын
I think they are both legit forms of self defense and real world fighting if trained properly. A lot of Judo schools only focus on the stand up take down aspect of the art which is not real training. While on the other hand many BJJ schools only focus on the ground within the sportive frame of mind. That being all about points and such. Real training of either must include having a partner put on boxing gloves and truly trying to punch you while your job is to get the clinch.
@santiagojiujitsu29 жыл бұрын
A good example of how Judo neglects transitions from takedown to submission can be seen in most of Ronda Rousey's fights, which hardly ever go from take down to arm bar or hold down within a split second.
@Darren_Tay9 жыл бұрын
That's not a logical statement. Firstly, the opponent is always resisting so its highly unlikely for an instant transition. Secondly, it depends on the way both fighters land, who has top position after scramble, are the fighters against the cage or not, did the opponent manage to recover guard and slip in a half guard upon being thrown. There are so many factors etc. Thirdly, a good rule of thumb in almost all grappling arts is to stabilize the position and stop the initial explosion of your opponent's escape. Once we have secure it then we can think about attacking. If you watch closely, once Ronda throws someone, she has one of the fastest position transitions and submissions in the UFC.
@santiagojiujitsu29 жыл бұрын
darren tay Sarcasm was intended. My apologies. Control and transition is a Judo fundamental. Thank you.
@artemthetrain146 жыл бұрын
A Santiago 😂😂😂😂
@alwerty111 жыл бұрын
where i used to train we'd be lucky to train newaza once a week. i had good teachers but I think because judo is so competition based nowadays, a lot of schools (speaking for the US) neglect the ground aspect of the art.
@josepestaner21110 жыл бұрын
agreed. there arnt many out there that practice the kosen ryu judo alot people forget that judo already had the arguement on more groundwork or more throws between kano and oda. maeda the teacher of carlos gracie came from the kosen ryu school. p.s. I
@MaxxCoyote11 жыл бұрын
Civil and true. Refreshing. Though honestly I think if a Judoka spent the same amount of time on his/her groundwork they could easily be as effective as a BJJ practitioner, and vice versa. Its all in what you focus on. Problem is that the lines of what is jujitsu and where it comes from have been blurred badly, especially in pop culture.
@jimmyalderson16396 жыл бұрын
The speed is what i have problems with. I try to learn newaza from BjJ instructions, because BJJ students know their newaza, but because BjJ is based on Newaza they can go inch by inch and some of their techniques take way more than 20 seconds. Idealy you want to be in guard or hakf guard in kees than 10 seconds, otherwise you have points scored against you
@mongolchiuud89315 жыл бұрын
jimmy alderson kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4HdZJ-vopiAotU
@boxing30589 жыл бұрын
Judo is like fine wine, BJJ is like beer
@profd658 жыл бұрын
boxing305 Good thing I'm at alcoholic, because I like both.
@chocolatenova15988 жыл бұрын
+profd65 that was legendary
@SuperSymbiote17 жыл бұрын
You'll be a great martial artist.
@cesaralvesdemoraes31877 жыл бұрын
lol what a dumb ass comparisson
@felipemartinez12755 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!!!
@raggledaggle7215 жыл бұрын
Ok. I get all of this. But what are the concrete examples of real technical differences between bjj and jjj. The Gracies and everyone keep talking about bjjj "having improved" or "added" etc. So show me that. Can anyone elaborate?
@MeroGrumble5 жыл бұрын
In grappling, every thing new is old. I have never seen a technique commonly used in BJJ that has never been practised in Judo (whatever fancy guard or submission). You can find the gogoplata, a rubber-like guard, the lockdown etc in the 1950's Kawaishi's "My method of judo", the "de la Riva" sweep and carthweel guard pass in black and white footages of Oda, the butterfly, x-guard or deep half guards in old books by Isao Okano and others. However, sport rules define how the sport is practised and current IJF rules kind of killed those techniques in daily judo practice (with very rare exceptions). One of the main practical differences regarding ground techniques is maybe between judo and traditional jujutsu schools. For instance, Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki states in "Osaekomi" that while most jujutsu's pins were applied against an opponent belly down, the development of Judo as a sport led to further development of pins with an opponent belly up (which sometime makes less sense in a self-defense situation).
@raggledaggle7215 жыл бұрын
Yes, but old and new are always intrinsically linked to one another. I can find the essence of some ideas of Ancient Greece in the modern philosophy's of Hegel, and the ideas of Hegel further developed in that of Marx. They're ideas developed on top of each other like the bud of a plant into a stalk and then a flower. This development of stages applies to everything in life like that of a spiral. I'm saying it, because I'm wondering about those examples that you give. Are you sure the old and the new are exactly the same, or have they been slightly improved upon just as in the development of all things and concepts? An honest question. I can find Darwin's theory of evolution in a very rudimentary form in Lamarck, but still they're not the same. Is a rubber-like guard the same as Eddies rubber-guard?
@MeroGrumble5 жыл бұрын
There are always developments and details added to a techniques by each practitioner using them, you integrate them in certain way so that it fits your repertoire and adapt them to your morphology or likes. Every single serious practitioner does that and you may see variations not only between MA or sports but also between academies or within them: your master or mestre teaches you something and from your own experience at some point you think "Hmm, I may also add that detail or incorporate it with this and that". *But I don't think there is a change on a fundamental level* . *Regarding the rubber guard* , I specified "rubber-like" because the position is essentially the same but: 1- there is a gi, in fact the final position appears in the book as a gi choke which may differ from no-gi training (in my opinion, one of the real big plus of bjj over judo nowadays) by Eddie Bravo, but nothing BJJers with gi would not find out by themselves; 2 - Eddie Bravo (and Nino Schembri before him) linked the position specifically to a set of techniques making his system, so once again there is a personal appropriation of the technique which may differ from previous exponents in judo (and BJJ). Now, as I said, there is fundamentally little if nothing new in BJJ *BUT* the "sportification" of judo has tended to make it different in practice from what it was once and to artificially create a technical distinction with BJJ: Judo sport ruleset has a impact on the techniques worth to train (when not simply legal to use...) and within 70 years most of what I have listed above has disappeared in judo competitions. There are few exceptions in Japan: there is Kosen judo and you can see some high-level Japanese judokas whose level on the ground is so high it's like their opponents (international level) are puppets. Personally, I have been taught mostly sweeps and submissions from the butterfly guard, probably because it's "quick" enough to fit sport rules, while it's slightly frowned upon when I use a "slow" closed guard or a rubber guard in randori.
@raggledaggle7215 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I really appreciate it.
@donotgettmeseriously10 жыл бұрын
so basically there is the difference between in competition and training for the competition. and almost no difference in the art? :)
@martiallife41366 жыл бұрын
donotgettmeseriously Sport rules are dictating what is practiced. The butterfly guard comes from Judo. Sweeps come from Judo. BJJ focused more on ground work and used to practice self defense that it the same in other traditional jujitsu schools.
@RodT45311 жыл бұрын
I train BJJ but I would train some Judo if I could. I had a chance several years back but trained aikido instead and now im kicking myself for it. If I could find a decent school nearby i'd definitely try it.
@royzXDface11 жыл бұрын
what dies bjj stand for??
@egoodly111 жыл бұрын
What are you guys talking about. judo was developed as a martial art. The kodokan engaged in fierce battles with other martial arts (jijitsu) schools to secure its standing and reputation. The fact that Kano also stressed educatio, and a particular way of life; and that he sought to also create standard rules for a sport judo; doesn't change the fact that it was developed as a martial art that was meant to be tested.
@AikidoAgatsu11 жыл бұрын
And what if you do something "bad" to someone else? You expect them to do twice the same or worse to you? And will you then do twice as bad or worse in return?
@OfficialBigDaddyB11 жыл бұрын
That is what is so great with BJJ though. You can take your time and be precise and doesn't put you at a disadvantage. You don't know how many new people I have went against where they are explosive and going very fast, but I just take my time and sweep them over. Skill and patience is more effective then jumping around and blowing your energy.
@imajeed211 жыл бұрын
There are judo Ne-Waza Competitions and they are getting pretty popular so I think Judo is evolving in to to halfs which can be quite benerficial to those who like their groundwork game! :O)
@henh3211 жыл бұрын
The Judo guy confuses me re: transitions and Judoka 'incorporating' butterfly guard into Newaza like it is something rare. My 7th Dan teacher was Kodokan trained. Control of opponents after throw with transition into pin or submission is a basic and taught right from start. We practise it in Randori. As for butterfly guard, it is one of the first things in Newaza we learn, except we call it turning over from bottom. I don't remember the Japanese name. May be USA do not train Newaza as much.
@judomachine11 жыл бұрын
Fantastic.
@MegaWromero11 жыл бұрын
BJJ and Judo both have alot to offer, I started out in Judo and recieved my black belt in Judo in 2002 I bagan training BJJ on a regular basis in 2007. I catch alot of BJJ guys with Judo hold down then transition to subs, and on the other hand I catch alot of Judo guys with BJJ gi chokes. Bottom line is Judo is great to take the fight to the ground and BJJ is great when you are there.
@kaibaxter548910 жыл бұрын
I have a comminuted mid clavicle fracture from randoori, it's been 9 months & now I need a plate and bone graft. So yeah judo can fk you up. We also had training with bjj guys once a month and vice versa it was great learning from both.
@normanoro2066 жыл бұрын
Judo and BJJ are both awesome martial arts. I don't have much money these days to burn, but at some point, it'd be great to study either BJJ or Judo.
@ktkt18252 жыл бұрын
A great deal of BJJ originates in the full form of old Kodokan Judo, where probably half of Judo consisted of groundwork (including kneelocks, wristlocks, etc.). When Judo shifted more toward 'Sport' or Competitions, the focus on groundwork lessened.
@Supermomo2007 Жыл бұрын
@@ktkt1825 so he should give up takedown defense?
@Mariejufielyn9993 жыл бұрын
All i want to know is who would win in a sudden street fight? No rules or anything, just pure technique from start to end. Judo or bjj?
@eulalawrence90183 жыл бұрын
For me if Judo vs Bjj probably Judo going to win since it's hard to shake off Judo practitioner balance and hard to counter them when you reach their range. Once they slam you on the concrete, it's going to hurt a lot and they can finish you when you down.
@trondyne35132 жыл бұрын
My judo school does half standing half ground and also does transition to ground.... I don't see most schools doing 80% standing at all...
@criscrosbr11 жыл бұрын
totally agreed with you.
@Ramone_JiuJitsu11 жыл бұрын
I see great points in your statements. It's a tricky balance. But I would respectfully counter your argument. I have been instructed differently. Using the least amount of energy but achieving the greatest result is ideal. Most evident in a self defense situation, where once you fatigue, you are in very big trouble. As often seen in various combat sports where a superior person dominates until fatigue sets in and then they are eaten alive. In life though, there's clock or ref to save you.
@beargrylls311 жыл бұрын
seriously. and it seems that doing it all is probably the best way to be the best at any one.
@philipcarpenter671810 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is true. I actually make an effort not to land on people but maintain control after a throw. Unfortunately some guys train to hurt their partners but in a fight it may be wise (depending on the situation) to do so.
@carlp49548 жыл бұрын
Doesn't "Combat Judo" already take care of the transition to ground work?
@RecoveringGenius8 жыл бұрын
+Carl P Hey Carl, what different people label as "combat Judo" can mean many different things. But your instincts are correct. What people sometimes name or market as "combat Judo" usually resembles the "pre-1868" Japanese JuJitsu systems that fight everywhere: on ground, standing, waist deep in water, against multiple attackers or weapons...etc...There are also a lot of strikes. Most notably the strikes "atemi" are used very often and almost always in transitions...My old JuJitsu school had a Makiwara which shows just how much we used strikes to transition from standing to ground. Train hard, be safe and have fun! Cheers mate.
@Thensolomonsaid11 жыл бұрын
There is a difference between judo taught in a lot of schools and judo contests.We still do leg grabs/pick ups in randori.But the point i was making was that in my opinion judo is better for the street and bjj is better if you are in a submission grappling match.
@theoneanton2 жыл бұрын
What's this "judo rules"? What helps in a real fight?
@Tobby40638 жыл бұрын
Nice video.
@beowulf334610 жыл бұрын
Bjj rules I love it. But I also feel that judo us a great art as well both r great and I agree that if u take both that will help u a lot. I've trained in pankartion and I'm training in bjj
@cugnaoozen99566 жыл бұрын
No time wasting comparing the grappling styles, I started judo as a kid and I gave up as it was considered as a "kids" play. Now I have been training BJJ for 5 years and rediscovering the judo so I crosstrained both and I really really enjoy it. I will even go further crosstraining with wrestlers samboists and luta livre practionners. We are evolving to the concept of the Mixed Grappling Arts.