Judo of the 1800s DESTROYS today's champions

This video discusses the old techniques of Kodokan Judo.
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[@tettsubushi]

Chadi, Always an amazing analysis... although I had to get a black in BJJ, I always felt (as far back as 30 years ago) that combining old school Judo with Kyokushin for the atemi waza was as complete as you could get.. then again, there is wrestling, boxing, and muay thai. the journey never ends OSU!

[@BacatauMania]

Well… kudo

[@tettsubushi]

@@BacatauMania KUDO was on the right track for sure.

[@PaulusdeKenezy]

Judo is rubbish nowadays. That was a martial art, and now just a sport with lot of stupid rules.

[@adamkane7513]

​@Faroe How has Kudo become inferior now?

[@scarred10]

Jon blumings international kyokushin group also is a fusion of judo and kyokushin karate since he was 9th and 10th dan in both.He was semy schilts original coach.

[@dianecenteno5275]

This Osoto Otoshi variation is a direct Jujutsu application. Came from Armor grappling where you could not get a reaping motion due to posture and weight of armor. Works well on larger people who are hard to reap 😎. Thank you for sharing 👏

[@TheThinkersBible]

Very interesting analysis. It's like other disciplines including sports -- practicing the fundamentals is the key to mastery and strong fundamentals make a strong champion. Even in non-martial arts sports like basketball -- free throws and lay-ups make the most points overall.

[@gengotaku]

Thanks for the video, Chadi. I got back to judo recently after 32 years and feel more motivated to practice when I watch your videos about judo. keep it up!

[@BillHallProductions]

1800s judoka (Throws a punch) 2023 judoka "what the fuck?"

[@jassimarsingh6505]

Lmao factss

[@berniekatzroy]

Grappling was one thing, you still needed strikes as well.

[@BillHallProductions]

@@berniekatzroy going to try boxing Saturday. I think judo would pair well with the cross or long guard You should see how much grappling George Foreman does during a boxing match

[@54wsbrdtyd6ryeb56d]

@@BillHallProductions roberto duran

[@fredazcarate4818]

Chadi I agree that there is nothing like mastering the basic movements of the art. Master the basics you master the art. Thank you once again for producing another brilliant video lecture. I await your next offering. 🧐🤔💯👌🤔💯💪👊👍🙏

[@arnislumpia3766]

For many Martial Arts back in the day people were still fighting to death and there were less laws regarding violence. Todays martial arts is weak compared to those days

[@dimulaidari3714]

Indeed! Then blame to the martial art,and says that the martial art is useless😁 In fact old school warriors,they not made any style/tehnic/skilled just for entertaiment,but related alive or dead.

[@LIONTAMER3D]

No. Today's martial artists are much better.

[@kaen4299]

Martial Arts in general is far more complete today than it was back then. It's not weak today, just adapted to modern world. Safer training means you can train longer at a higher level. Back then people hurt themselves badly very quickly, were crippled and couldn't train anymore. What exactly is so strong about that lol.

[@fernandohsantos]

Good technical analysis, Chadi.

[@aczz75]

Hi Chadi could you make a video of canarian wrestling (lucha canaria), love your content

[@assoverteakettle]

I think in BJJ we see a lot of people getting caught up in the latest cool move of the week on KZbin and abandon the basics. This is especially true of white belts who are so eager to progress and think more is better when, actually, less is often more. I think another big mistake I see in many jiu-jitsu schools is teaching some scenario based overly complex set of movements in techniques class that are akin to katas in karate where the student will forget as soon as they get home. It's not productive to teach infinite combination of scenarios for, say, a triangle choke, which may never come up ever in a student's life or incompatible with their individual style or body type. Teach the basics in manageable chunks and allow the student and the "plasticity" of their brains to discover all the infinite combination of how to get from a position to a submission.

[@tracphonevirtualmagazine]

I see triangle chokes alot.

[@hddh5917]

In bjj the "basics" are not basic at all, and very predictable. Thats why the white belts tend to ignore that. Roger gracie the best bjj fighter that ever existed and probably the most traditional one, literraly sad that only after mnay years as a blackbelt he was able to do the "basics" properly. its stupid to expect that white belts will do some basic moves that the whole gym is able to defend.

[@Cavalier9500]

​@hddh5917 Perhaps the basics were designed for subduing a streetfighter with no grappling experience? That might be why they are 'easy to defend' by other grapplers. I think BJJ was designed for Street Defense initially.

[@marc-albertjaquat6364]

Being a brown belt for many years, I've never understood uki goshi. When I first saw it by Master Kano, it was an illumination... Back to basics

[@andrewschmitz9756]

Hey Chadi, i'd like to see your take on the ground techniques presented on Mas Oyama's This is Karate book. I didn't finished reading yet but i saw some at the end of the book.

[@andrewschmitz9756]

@@cuca9891 Didn't know that. Thanks

[@soundknight]

This is awesome

[@josephbrewster1169]

With the double leg sweep video you showed us, it looked like the most important factor was that the instructor was lifting the victim off of his feet with a combination of the sweeping leg and the right hand on the shoulder and a little less on the famous Judo hip movement into torso twist. Is that intended or was this particular instructor just using his larger frame as a crutch?

[@grenity]

judo's basics are very difficult to master.

[@elijahdeluna9187]

I agree. Lot's of timing.

[@rns7426]

Absolutely. One can earn a Judo black belt within about 5 years. Here’s what it means. Shodan: You have a basic grasp of the fundamentals. Amazing yeah? Most people think you get a black belt and you are a master. Nope. You are just starting to have a basic grasp of basic fundamentals. That’s what it means and is.

[@scarred10]

​@@rns7426you an get it in 2 yrs just training a few times per week

[@atshabal]

@@scarred10 2 years? Are you a genius ? It takes in average 5 - 8 years if you train regularly and comoeting

[@MrRabouni]

The black belt test isn't that complicated in certain countries. In mine (Belgium) it is very demanding, you can fail it because of detail so yeah 2 years won't be enough.

[@throwzilla]

What book were you using in the video?

[@combatprinciplesmma]

The yoko tomonagi is almost almost like a half butterfly guard sweep

[@JoriMikke78]

What the fuck - 1800 judokas would have nothing against any of the fighters today.

[@eliotquintana9802]

Amazing techniques

[@gabrielvitorfrancaacaj9414]

eu sou do judo e sempre fiz pelo lado da gola por tanto q meu yoko tomoe agr ficou bommm , nunca fiz errado esse trocado pelo pe do lado da manga

[@josephbrewster1169]

I did a Tomoe Inage on instinct during a street fight as the guy tried to sweep/clothesline me but I knew that he had some training just by the way he moved so I slapped his hands away as he went vertical and I intentionally left him there. As in, I did not kick him onto his back. He landed on his head and broke his collar bone. My question is, do the Judo guys kick them out that hard because they know other Judo guys are gong to take advantage of someone doing it the way I did? If so, how would they take advantage?

[@Rombizio]

Even if you go back 40 years only, fights were much more aggressive and many techniques not allowed today were common.

[@atshabal]

But nowadays judoka are way too athletics than the 1800's that can make huge differences.

[@victortatevosyan4001]

do not fear the opponent who practiced 1000 techniques fear the opponent who practiced 1 technique 1000 times

[@BillHallProductions]

Osto otoshi looks a bit like when they "reap" or block the leg in sumo and force them over with power.

[@ca1498]

I have been researching these throws and working on them for a while. I have found John Danaher's instructional videos for BJJ takedowns to be the clearest, and I have also seen a number of instructionals on competition variations that are commonly grouped under "osoto gari" but are obviously different throws or mixtures of throws. About the tomoe nage, he says that the most critical element for succeeding with it (besides kuzushi and breaking the opponent's posture) is getting uke's head more or less directly above yours. If he manages to stay back, there is no throw. With the yoko tomoe nage, you lay across and even spin a bit where your head gets almost to uke's foot. If uke is also bending over, there is very little distance to travel forward before he is directly above you, and you can lift him. With the front tomoe nage, you have to pull until uke's head travels the entire length of your torso, so it takes a lot more pulling. So the majority of tomoes are yoko, but there is a smaller group of masters who are successful with the front tomoe. Details that help with the pull and make a huge difference are things like lifting the throwing leg first and jumping a bit with the support leg, which means you are completely in the air for a moment, and uke is trying to support your full falling weight. Another one is to use your support leg in a sumi gaeshi-like fashion to pull uke forward until his head gets over yours. Tsunoda does both of these. And I think she puts the front leg up first because it is the one closest to uke, and she wants to get it in place before anything else, otherwise the opponent may squat and close the space and kill the attempt at the very beginning. It's like getting your foot in the door before they try to close it. Note that she places it more like a sumi gaeshi, and even when it is on the abdomen, it is still "shoelace" aka top of foot and not ball or bottom of foot first, and then she keeps lifting with both legs and pulling until she is ready to push with the bottom of her foot/feet. And she seems to like gripping the outside of the tricepses to better control the arms and prevent posting on the ground. About the osoto, I have heard a number of people say that the classic is hard to do, because it is hard to get to the initial position from which you swing and reap. You have to make too many moves before you make contact with the leg you are attacking, which gives uke more time to come up with a defense. So it is again about what you do first and what battle you win before the element of surprise is gone and uke knows what is coming. In this case, instead of stepping with the support leg next to uke's, you either step back (or next to your lead leg), or step sideways, and right away reach with your throwing leg to hook uke's leg. I have seen both versions taught: the one with the heel on the knee and hopping with the other leg, which they called ashi guruma, and the one with the step behind, which they do call osoto otoshi, but they do lift the leg at the end, perhaps to amplify the throw and to make sure uke doesn't step over it. Actually the end looks almost like ashi uchimata from behind. I guess you have a point that these are classical throws that are not the major ones we all learn first but somewhat more obscure, although modified, and Tsunoda's front tomoe is more successful than anybody's yoko tomoe. And Kayla Harrison was using a pure classical ogoshi rather than some modern split-hip deep-step. But Koga's seoi nage was not classical. So, I don't know if the majority of super successful variations are truly more classical and more "ancient" than average. I just think that modern judokas have found out what techniques with what modifications give them the highest success rate against other world-class judokas, and sometimes they are classic, but more often than not they are quite a bit modified.

[@highschoolhercules8302]

Common chadi w

How long does it take to learn Judo to get a black belt?

[@psychedashell]

Yes. That’s a variable answer. If you’re great at competition you can get there in two or three years, if you don’t compete it takes about five years to a decade.

[@yassinesabki4863]

Bonsoir Monsieur génial technique vraiment excellent merci pour la vidéo bonne courage

[@user-ve1dn5zv4p]

I read Kano invented Judo in Japan early 20 th century. It was created from Jujitsu without the dangerous moves so could be practiced safely at very high level . Then proved it's strengths in combat with other Jujitsu clubs.

[@alexe589]

Late 19th century. 1882 if you want a specific year.

[@LIONTAMER3D]

@@alexe589 no, do more research before responding

[@alexe589]

@@LIONTAMER3D you are the one that needs to do more research. 1882 is the canonical year Kano started his school. At the time, it was call Kano-Jujitsu. Kano's training methods were proven by more or less sweeping the police tournaments in the late 1880s.

[@LIONTAMER3D]

@@alexe589 keep looking because where you're looking is wrong, don't think I can help you

[@kaen4299]

@@LIONTAMER3D if you can't bring a proper counter argument don't open your mouth at all

[@Drbranicap]

Chadi,thank you for a great work,but:Youe analysis of Onos Osoto throws is totally wrong.Or I am blind and after 50 years of judo ignorant and stupid!Where do you see Guruma in his throws?Or Otoshi(body drop) in his last Osoto.Entry with a stomp is just that an ENTRY but reap and lift of the leg after is Gari!

[@kaim2437]

It's osoto otoshi (stomp) and osoto guruma (two legs or bechwards tai otoshi) not osoto gari

[@JD-ww2ri]

Once you reap is not otoshi.And guruma means "wheel",not both legs

[@ca1498]

I respectfully disagree. I have thought about it a lot, and I think if you step with you leg and lower or lean your body to start the throw, that is otoshi. After uke is past 45 degrees, if you lift his leg with your leg at the end, that should not qualify as reaping, because the leg is no longer weighted. It is a mixture of techniques, and that is why we all identify elements of different throws and want to use those throws' names for what he (and not just he but many others) is doing. And I have heard the knee hooking variation called 'ashi guruma', although my instructor said ashi guruma is on the ankle, not higher.

[@thomasturner4253]

THANKS

[@joshuealvarez2023]

El Judo de hoy es menos completo que en antiguo Judo. Pero los Judokas de este tiempo son mucho más grandes y fuertes que los del pasado. Tanto en fuerza máxima, explosiva, isometrica y hasta en los desplazamientos. El Judo de antes no tiene comparación con el de hoy. El de hoy es más técnico y mucho más fuerte.

[@joaovitormendes8904]

It’s because it was not judo , it was Jiu Jitsu

[@uwemaxjensen3028]

It is a very beautiful technique because it is effective.

[@user-up8jx3mt6j]

Are humans becoming better ? Or are they becoming less human.

[@williamfairfaxmasonprescot9334]

#outstandingDOCU

[@curtismccorkel6985]

Nice

[@lucianoribeiro6212]

Agora me diz os números da mega sena de amanhã

[@marcuscampus1778]

Judo today is an Olympic fight. The rules are funny, to begin with it should be more for ground fighting, ​​time

[@user-dq4zg6ou8w]

古い技は、今でも、昇段試験の『型』にあるな。

[@skipskiperton4992]

i agree

[@veteransowhat5669]

I do not think so maybe before 2006

[@MizanQistina]

Isn't it paradoxical? The new should destroy the old, not the other way, because the new must have going through evolution to become better than the old. If it is the other way then it is a devolution. To think about it, us human devolved today, too dependent on tools and technology, too restrictive with a lot of laws and regulations. We're weaker than our ancestors.

[@jesselowe9374]

My guess is, it deals with the constant ruleset changes. And a lot of Judo will be taught with the sport ruleset, which would make the older Judo better. That's my guess.

[@MizanQistina]

@@jesselowe9374 But why? I can only compare with Silat, martial art I learned. we have TWO version, the traditional which is about 200 or more different styles/schools and ONE Silat Sport. Meaning, we all learned the old traditional ones BEFORE being able to join Silat Sport that have rules and stuff. Nobody just learn Silat Sport because the sport is not the martial art itself, it just a sport. The martial art is the traditional ones.

[@jjs3890]

I think there are few reasons for this. One is the rule set changes. We can even see this in BJJ where early BJJ had the ground and pound game going and was more closely related to judo ne-waza. Now BJJ has a lot of steps, no more ground and pound (some allow slapping I think) and you can climb up the standing opponent and choke them with no risk getting slammed. Very impractical for self defense purposes but olds BJJ is useful as long as you’re dealing with one opponent on flat stable ground. Judo seems to have the same progression under constantly changing rule sets but over a longer period of time. The other reason, imo, is the new way of learning generally breezes through the basics and gets into things without a solution d understanding of fundamentals. Instant reward but with less efficiency. The principle of “ju” seems to be getting lost and less understood.

[@jesselowe9374]

@@MizanQistina The only thing I know is, the ruleset of Judo keeps changing because of spectators. The Olympic committee wants to impress the spectators. Also, some submissions and throws are or considered too dangerous and are removed from sport Judo.

[@MizanQistina]

@@jesselowe9374 But why must the teaching change as according to sport ruleset? That is what I don't understand. Judo can be taught the very same thing since the old times, Judo fighters only need to adjust in some courses before competition. I think many martial arts are like this.

[@sergiobacellar5570]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁

[@brunowolfe9172]

Uh, no, no it wouldn’t

[@BeoldBegold-hp4ih]

😂😂😂 انت تحلم الجودو اليوم خارج الخدمة في MMA

[@gerhardmayer6289]

Wang hui

[@rubyshmurda6140]

Natsumi has 9 million mile long legs so all she needs is that tomoe😂😂😂

[@ynotlearn4190]

So is it even worth it to learn judo?

[@psychedashell]

It is if there’s no wrestling in your area.

[@kaen4299]

The video is a bit misleading, Judo is still extremely effective, especially for the streets. I'd also definitely take it over wrestling. But wrestling is good too.

[@danielwermelinger2865]

old Judo are more similar to Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu...

[@mrboy9658]

Because in old judo you could do almost anything , including leg grabs . but bjj is 90% about ground game , old judo and sambo is about 95% wrestling in the rack

[@joshuakeeler82]

2 feet = Balloon sweep.

[@Anautistictherapist]

Film or it didn’t happen ;)

[@stuntmangMUSIC]

Judo evolved. This doesn't beat modern BJJp Masters of these styles had a long time to come to where we are at. I've seen kids with wrestling backgrounds become a standoff on the feet. Bjj is just expanded on judo

[@m5a1stuart83]

BJJ is the Taekwondo of Karate focusing the art in newaza or kicking in TKD.

[@kaen4299]

Nope, Judo > BJJ for the street. Or more like Judo = BJJ. It's damn stupid how they took newaza and gave it a ''new'' name. And if that's not enough they're trying to sell something as better when it's just part of it anyway.

[@LIONTAMER3D]

There was no judo in the 1800's

[@digitaldaemon74]

It was in the prototype phase 😉

[@LIONTAMER3D]

@@digitaldaemon74 it was jiujitsu

[@digitaldaemon74]

@LIONTAMER3D yes it was.

[@gmeister3022]

Many people don't realize that Judo was very different when it was created. There was a lot less focus on just power throws but rather on skill and flow. I agree that the old Judo would be more effective than today's Judo.

[@joshnoi1804]

For me getting punched in the face is better them getting thrown on your head.

[@kaen4299]

It really is better, people like to forget that there are no mats outside of the Dojo.

[@joshnoi1804]

@kaen4299 Unfortunately I've seen what happens to people that happen to slip or get thrown down on to their heads on concrete. They all ended with an ambulance.

[@harunbogdanic2077]

If you do not compete at the highest level or even close to that level. You dont really have enough credit to speak about how elite level judoka would compare with others. IMO, this analysis is pretty biased.

[@kaen4299]

What a moronic comment. There are many coaches of combat sports who never competet at the highest of levels and still coach fighters that do. It's the same in Judo. The olympic coach of my Judo club was never an olympian. These people are blessed with a very good understanding of the sport and to recognize the potential of individuals and building up on that using methods and knowledge they've gathered over a very long time, even if they weren't extremely competetive.

[@user-vk9bq1bc6u]

Japaneese girl pulling butterly guard and nobody can stop it or pass it. They need some John Danaher here))

[@corbinhudson9902]

Not good for street fighting in most cases.

[@user-wj5gf6bc5f]

Дзю до было создано кано гораздо позже 😅😅😅

[@thinkordie7292]

Where can I watch these older matches? It always seems that truly great and martial techniques become lost in time. 🫡👏 Chadi