Judo or Bjj 1st ?? For The Streets!

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[@ConveyApp]

I trained in Muay Thai, JKD (Trapping), knife defense stuff, and stick fighting back from 1999. This was only for self defense at the time. Six months in I realize, to my dismay, I was getting my butt handed to me when I went to the ground, I started BJJ. I eventually got my BJJ blue belt in 2002 and eventually had to quit in 2003. Last year in January of 2020 I started BJJ again. Once again I am only really interested in the self defense aspect of this stuff so I started focusing on no gi standing. I could cover the distance and get a good clench then realized I had zero idea what to do. At this time I happened to find out my son and daughters school principal was a black belt in Judo and trains on Saturdays at a wrestling gym one of the guys at his church owns. Anyways I decided to start training this “Judo” and see what it was about. Wow, what a discovery. Judo is unreal for self defense. My instructor is 55 years old and has been consistently training Judo from 8 years old. He is about 5” 5’ 190 lbs and looks like a school principal. It’s like this guy possesses a literal super power. I’m into it for 10 months now and it has improved every aspect of my self defense skills. Judo is so over looked because of all off the BJJ and striking marketing. Particularly for competition. In a real life altercation there will probably be no gi, and an area full of concrete. Last time I checked the roads are not paved in mats. It literally takes 2 seconds to grab someone and do a throw. Head meet ground. Now it’s such a violent event one must have and be self aware enough to not take that lightly. If you did that to an annoying drunk or a person that is not too much of a threat it could potentially cause serious bodily harm. I think one should have a good tool box in their skill set. Great video. Thanks.

[@ClovisRoisDesFrancs]

Nice ! Thanks for sharing your experience 🔥 Hope you will continue Judo and maybe transmit your passion to your kid. My mother did it and I m so glad she did introduce me to this amazing martial arts ! I started when I was 5 yo and I think judo help children to develop physical ability but also help you grow mentaly thanks to judo moral code !

[@EthanNoble]

and judo has striking its called Atemi Waza. Which can always be modernized and refined

[@bruceparker6142]

Drunk people are dangerous.

[@OGFITNESS]

Thank brother, Osu!

[@maestro1168]

If the street is most likely no gi, what's the purpose of judo that is centered around the reliance on gi and grips? Wouldn't that make wrestling more practical?

[@gingercore69]

For self defense i would pick judo over bjj for the throws... In self defense you dont need to finish the attacker, you need to create an oportunity to escape... What gives you a better oportunity to escape? Having someone in a chokehold until they pass out? Or dropping them flat on their back as hard as you can while possibly stay standing? I mean... Both will have problems chasing, but if the attacker has a friend... Staying on the ground choking the guy is asking to get your head kicked off tonthe stratosphere

[@LibertarianGalt]

A judo throw has the capacity to end a fight in moments whereas choking someone out takes minutes. Can be the difference between surviving and not.

[@gingercore69]

@@LibertarianGalt altho i agree throws are better, a good choke takes only a few seconds... its still too long compared to a good slamming powerful ippon worthy throw tho

[@LibertarianGalt]

@@gingercore69 I've been rearnakedchoked and got out of it by jamming my thumb in his eye and the other in his throat. Probably impossible to have gotten out of if we were on a matt and not the street..

[@AlexanderPews]

This video went exactly as expected.. After 2 years of BJJ it was time to go, Not because it was bad, it just wasnt what I was looking for. There was too much ground focus, so much that if I would get into a fight.. I would have doubts how to take someone down.. I would fight better lying down than standing up.. My goals are primarily self-defence and conditioning.. BJJ felt more like they were trying to get you ready for competition.. So now my goals are to start Judo and maybe a bit Thaibox on the side (if im not over-exhausted). BJJ is good but it must be said.. if youre planning on learning both.. I think its best to learn Judo first.. they have the fundamentals, and u'll also be really good on your feet when coming to BJJ. Just my opinion, situation and thoughts.. Much love and respect to all.

[@ynotlearn4190]

It sounds as if you were training sport bjj and not street jj . however I definitely agree judo 1st as far as grappling.

[@yeicore]

Hi, I've never practiced grappling before. I've practiced striking (karate, boxing), so in this case, do you think BJJ would be enough, instead of Judo?

[@bruceparker6142]

Judo for self defence.

[@JEFFMAN90]

Modern day Judo is mostly sport though

[@dylan_krishna_777]

Judo is better then BJJ for self-defense . I'm thinking to try judo hapkido or japanse jiu jitsu.

[@fahadkelantan]

The BJJ self-defense curriculum is essentially a copy-paste from JuDo's Goshin Jutsu curriculum. In other words, if you wanna do self defense, do self defense (Goshin Jutsu), not the sport version of either BJJ or JuDo. I was held at gun point, and I ended up using Goshin Jutsu to get out of it. Thank God I was lucky. Understand timing, talking, situational awareness. Control the hands. Never allow him to get to the weapon. I used double sleeve control, to bear hug from back, then Tani Otoshi for the takedown. Than I wrapped my legs around him in back control so he couldn't get the gun. It's more important to train strangles (blood) than to train in chokes (air). Chokes lead to death, while strangles are an "off" switch. Don't rely on the police. They take well over 10 minutes to get there after the call. Don't rely on people. They'll just walk away. They won't help you even in a life or death situation. All you have is God, and then your training. It's better to have trained and stopped to have never trained at all. I was super rusty, over 2.5 years since I was last on the mats when I was attacked, but rusty Judo is better than no Judo at all.

[@cadkls]

God won't help you, mat time will.

[@SoldierAndrew]

Bro, you got Chadi on your channel! I'm a subscriber to both you & Chadi and Chadi is the best, most honest, videographer of grappling history.

[@Chadi]

Thank you brother

[@OGFITNESS]

Cool heh? Got lucky, we linked up after the Ramsey podcast.

[@timothycappy389]

I have been a practitioner of both and I definitely prefer Judo over BJJ for self-defense. For the past year, I have been taking Krav and have found that to be a really great compliment to my Judo game. What Krav lacks in take-downs and ne-waza, Judo I have found combines very well with it. OG Fitness, what are your thoughts? Maybe in the future could you do an episode of striking arts that are good compliments to an good or advanced Judo game?

[@ramondiaz2851]

That makes sense!!

[@BW022]

I'm old school Judo, before the 2000s rules changed in tournaments. Back in the day, I won more matches on the ground by submissions. I've had two 'street' fights and I'd never dream of going to the ground. One was a school yard fight, another a drunk guy at the party. 1. The ground is too dangerous. Unfortunately, we train under rules which don't exist in the real world -- people poke at eyes, pull hair, grab rocks, bite, slam your head on the concrete, you are insanely exposed to third parties, there can be glass and stuff, etc. 2. Going for someone's neck immediately makes the fight lethal -- people go insane to stop you. 3. There is no middle-ground. You must be willing to choke someone unconscious and/or break arms. If they surrender... then what? Let them up and the fight can easily start again? 4. Because of 1-3, third-parties routinely intervene. Many people consider the fight over when it goes to the ground and continuing down there as 'unfair' -- or they see their friend about to die. Even third parties can intervene. And if you get up... the fight can easily continue. 5. You can't size someone up on the ground. If they are a wrestler, BJJ guy, insane, etc. you only find out when you are stuck with them. 6. Size and strength absolutely matters on the ground. If the guy has 50lbs or you are a woman facing a guy... it's a lot harder on the ground. 7. You give up the ability to run. 8. You give up the ability to see, pause the fight, stand over the person, etc. 9. Throws, sweeps, and takes downs are quick and deliver injuries able to take someone out of the fight. I.e. drop to your knees and the fight can be over in seconds, before they or anyone else can react. 10. Throws, sweeps, and take downs give you some control over the amount of damage you wish to deal. You can hold them up, or drop to knees and aim their head at the concrete. If someone is just drunk or a schoolyard fight, you don't need to go lethal. 11. Throws and sweeps are a great pause. You can stand over them, assess, give them directions, let them realize their injuries, etc. You aren't at much risk of them attacking you. 12. It is trivial to throw a person as they try getting up. You also have the options of kicking them and continuing to stand over them. 13. Standing is the only realistic way to fight multiple opponents -- thrown someone in 1-2 seconds, turn to face another attacker, and move off. Never good, but it is almost impossible to submit two people on the ground -- one of which can push/kick the heck of out you. Sorry, despite old-school Judo with 50/50 standing and ground, I never considered going to the ground in any street fight.

[@DM-fj8wv]

13 great points, thanks.

[@matkasim]

Streets are not mats. Its freaking hard. Learn Judo. stay on your feet

[@OGFITNESS]

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[@dianatoboso8311]

Top10 anime crossovers in history But seriously, I Love U both and I love that You did this collab, cheers

[@OGFITNESS]

hahahaha, thanks brother!

[@hikecampdrinkrepeat2162]

Bjj is more of a hybrid nowadays of ground game, some judo and some wrestling. Just watch top level no gi tournaments

[@Howsoonisnow2009]

I want to add BJJ to support my Judo!

[@OGFITNESS]

Good idea

[@FK-ef7xx]

I’m old school, as they say. I have been doing both for about 44 yrs. From where I come from, we practice both. We are dangerous no matter which competition we are in (it includes Sport JuJutsu too). Practice both, be complete. In terms of street, do both, apply what is more suitable for the situation. I use both.

[@TSM260]

Agreed, I was taught the same way,do both. My coach did phases, one phase heavy throw emphasis, 3 days mainly throws, 2 days mainly ground. After a month switch focus, but maintain what you learned last phase. Definitely helped with the pounding judo throws can put on you. If competing, they would focus more on whichever one you are competing in but base phase is a rotation between the two.

[@FK-ef7xx]

@@TSM260 When I was a competitor and did for over 20 years, the regiment was 3 days of judo, 3 days of newaza, and some self-defence. Later on, instead of 2 hrs training, we did 4/day. Saturdays a bit more, once we did vale tudo too. Intense training. It built me into who I am today-determination, discipline, and commitment.

[@TSM260]

@@FK-ef7xx Its always good when you have black belts in both arts that know how to blend the two arts. We mainly use the BJJ belt system though with certain techniques associated with belts and stripes but still adhere to Canadian judo fed curriculum if that makes sense

[@FK-ef7xx]

@@TSM260 In this case, belts do not matter. A rank system is just a system. It varies but gives a good indication of where you are at - for instructors is good to know what you know or should know (unfortunately, not always the case, once I had from blue to brown belts facing trouble with break fall). Also, it gives you a path to follow. In the streets, mindset and techniques walk side by side. Without the right mindset, it does not matter the technique because one will not perform. A classic example is a guy who fights in training but in competition can not perform.

[@maestro1168]

There is a gym by me where they combine judo and bjj. There is also a no gi bjj gym that teaches separate wrestling classes. Now I'm conflicted because no gi bjj and wrestling are great because it doesn't rely on grips. People in the street doesn't wear jackets all the time, how is judo useful in those situations?

[@jhunzkierakabuba3704]

A little advice, in the streets a fight never starts on the ground, best option start from take-down teachniques then follow it up on the ground. Just like what i've said a fight in the streets will never start on the ground 😁.

[@newtypehuman]

which is better for the back judo or bjj ? i am afraid if lower back injuries . specially the tail bone

[@OGFITNESS]

Judo 100% imo, your upright when fighting most of time. But Judo you get thrown so that can potentially be bad if you land on your tailbones, while it does happen, most of the time you land on your side or back.

[@terrancemanning9140]

I'm thinking of taking taking judo. The first school I'm considering is an class is one night a week. Another school I'm considering is two nights a week. If I want to become decent in judo which school should I choose?

[@abhikchowdhury2525]

Two nights a week obviously what kind of question it that? 2>1

[@dreadinside654]

I train in Judo and also BJJ, but I'm also interested in learning Aikido. Maybe: Judo + BJJ + Aikido = Samurai Jujutsu?

[@AeolethNionian]

I did judo for a year and then started dabbling in bjj. I found I could keep up even not knowing many submissions and in those rare cases where we start from standing most of my throws don't work because their stance is too low. For me I found most common just breaking their posture and pulling them down to turtle is most common and hiza garuma is my most useful followed by ouchi gari. My favorites in judo though were tani otoshi, tai otoshi, osoto otoshi, and ouchi gari in that order. I never used hiza garuma until bjj other than kazushi.

[@Skeptic_Von_Rahm]

well BJJ guys want to go to the ground, so throwing them is a big favor to them

[@HunGerMovies]

@@Skeptic_Von_Rahm Not in real life situation on a concrete, and also in sport a good Judoka not just throws people, but uses it as a fast transition to submission. In Judo the transition to newaza/submission and the speed are important factors, while a bjj guy is laying on his back and trying to build up his/her strategy slowly. Bjj is worthy when there is bjj rules, or they are on a tatami with no gi. Gracies showed this in the past :D

[@shawnmartin1306]

My BJJ coach started Judo a few years ago. He is second degree bjj black belt. One of the other bjj black belts that was also Judo black belt talked him into trying it. So of course he started competing in Judo. After his first two competitions doing beginner he went straight for black belt level. He definitely got jacked up. He said it wasn’t fair for him even though he was a beginner in Judo to go against beginners. He also said as soon as the refs could tell he knew bjj they started standing him up literally as they were hitting the ground so he couldn’t use bjj. He just started focusing on throws and pinning. He is black belt in Judo now too. He really loved it. Personally I am not a fan of Judo. Although some of my favorite takedowns I learned in that Judo class lol

[@eltonblack9421]

John Danaher (Tomoe Nage, Sumi Gaeshi and Uki Waza)

[@victor03000]

Judo and catch would be a great mix for self defense

[@OGFITNESS]

Catch is solid

[@michaelt1899]

Bjj or judo for street? Both.

[@DP-dd6hl]

Competition and sports dilute a lot of martial arts as the rule set protects the competitor. BJJ is a brilliant system however in real life outside a soft matt with no rules or even limited rules judo and wrestling are far superior. Just look at the combat jujitsu circuit where they have allowed head strikes once on the ground literally 99% of the techniques become irrelevant when someone is pounding the person's face to death. Wrestling and judo will look not to put you in that situation and when the take/ throw you down on concrete the fight is pretty much over.

[@TheLockon00]

The Judo meta seems better for self-defense, and honestly fits more with the main MMA meta, even though Judo has had underwhelming success in MMA. The aspects of Judo's meta to which I'm referring are the emphasis on ballistic takedowns, pinning, and dynamic submissions. BJJ is super valuable. It has a better overall ground-game, I would say, but that gets tricky because they each have advantages. Judo has better pinning. BJJ's main area of expertise is the guard. Judo has guard work, of course, but BJJ specifically mastered guard work, guard retention, and guard passing. Rhadi Ferguson talked about that as being the defining characteristic that distinguishes BJJ from Judo.

[@basse9914]

I've read online that the reason Judo SEEMS underwhelming in MMA is because judoka champions are not allowed to compete in other sports otherwise they get kicked out.

[@marcelodiaz5006]

the most "impartial" comments sections of martial arts... what a shame

[@Felipe.8586]

BJJ by far. There is no comparison. And it was proved in real fights in the begging of the MMA history when it was martial art VS martial art. BJJ won almost ALL the championships. Lets wake up?????

[@jsthiffo9568]

the martial art of the fist UFC was gracie jj not today bjj...GJJ have a strategy for neutralise striker, but now this stategy is not enough for a complete atlhete.

[@melo15813]

BJJ and make Judo apart of your game. Some schools have a high priority on teaching judo. If not I'm sure it's someone that trains at your gym with a judo background who can help. So as your BJJ gets better so does your judo. Win win

[@cro_magnum]

Tons of BJJ schools teach "just pull guard" or to hit a shitty single/double leg. BJJ doesn't place a high priority on standing work.

[@melo15813]

@@cro_magnum Some schools, not all. You could def find some that place a high priority on wrestling/judo. Even if you don't like I said you can personally make it priority and you're bound to have people with backgrounds in Judo or wrestling training at your school.

[@haraldodunkirk1432]

Problem is: people trained in BJJ will have REAL capacity to do what they practise (once it’s on the ground). In judo you have amazing athletes who can make their stuff work, but so many judoka (including higher grades) are borderline ‘traditional martial artists’ who can perform a pretty ashi barai or harai goshi on a cooperative partner, but can’t do it for real. I love judo, but it’s riskily close to aikido.

[@OGFITNESS]

Id disagree with that part about it being close to aikido and only being to perform it in a coorperative partner part, you see a lot of judo techniques in mma.

[@billcipher3946]

Disagree buddy

[@Skeptic_Von_Rahm]

Disagree budy

[@haraldodunkirk1432]

Guys, I love judo, have competed in it for years and have black belt etc. Not trying to diss judo. I’m saying that so much of judo culture produces dorks who can do the moves in a grading test, can maybe osotogari someone they’re bigger than, but a huge % of their knowledge is pretty performance (like aikido). Whereas in wrestling, BJJ and boxing, what you train typically immediately very applicable. Of course elite judoka are different, but they’re a tiny %.

[@DerineShorts]

@@haraldodunkirk1432Did you do randori?