Judo's most dangerous techniques ( Mikinosuke Kawaishi)

[@SoldierDrew]

"Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself." Quote by, Kano Jigoro

[@Chadi]

Amen

[@raymondfarinas1913]

I grew up in the Bruce Tegner era. He asserted that Jigoro Kano created both a sport and a martial art, and that too many people mistook the sport for the martial art.

[@donaldduke2233]

My sensei came from Paris and brought with him the Kawaishi System. Before Hurricane Katrina I had all of his books including 3 copies of "My Method". Unfortunately Katrina put my house under 20 feet of water and I lost a Martial Arts library worth many thousands of dollars on today's market. I learned old fashioned bad ass judo from the Kawaishi system. Thank you, Chadi, for a fantastic series of Judo videos.

[@Chadi]

I'm so sorry to hear that! You can always find the books again and train again, 20 feet of water won't stop you🤙🏻 Stay safe

[@ignitionfrn2223]

@@Chadi Yes, the self defense and "Kawaishi Method" are available both at Internet Archive

[@Cachi287]

Now it is time to write your own book

[@ignitionfrn2223]

2:00 - Kubi hishigi(Neck crank on the ground) 2:45 - Osae hishigi (Chokehold + neck crank + belt grab) 3:45 - Tate hishigi (Neck crank standing) 4:25 - Gyaku hishigi (Spine lock + Chokehold + Spine crank) 5:10 - Tomoe hishigi (Triangle choke + Neckcrank) 5:55 - Kesa gatame kubi hishigi (Neck crank sideways to the opponent)

[@Soy_eddy_52]

These neck cranks come from older jujitsu schools but in time disappeared. I studied Aikijujitsu for many years and this was normal curriculum. One day I visited my old dojo and saw it was nowhere on the scrolls. I taught a class and was looked upon by the students as a medival monster because I explained how to attack a human skull via leverage and pressure. This was common stuff because Samurai wore helmets and face guards / protection. You can't strike armor so pressing the armor into the face and skull was a method to attack the skull. Without the helmet and face shield these techniques look like uke is getting tortured. Let's just say these students would have had my sensei arrested or stoned to death. Welcome to SAFE SPACE jujitsu.

[@rza884]

I would love to learn those techniques from you men

[@emmanuelogon6819]

please I like ballet

[@JinchurikiDemon]

would be super interesting if you did a video series explaining these techniques and thier historical relivency.

[@crow4936]

Funny my old Jujitsu sensi in the UK taught alot of old deadly techniques. Just said not to use it unless it was life or death.

[@barryfriedbergbrooklynjudo8528]

Hi Chadi, you are doing a awsome job ! You are a martial arts historian. Keep up the great work!

[@Chadi]

Thank you Barry!

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

The more I learn about Mikonosuke Kawaishi, the more I realise the Judo I practised in the 80's was based on his "method". Specially the "self defense".

Chadi, hello. I had written to you in the past. I'm a Traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsuka. I'm presently living in Thailand. There are 2 kinds of Jiu Jitsu here. Sports Jiu Jitsu. Once Jiu Jitsu leadership broke off from Judo about 6 years ago, the leader made contact with Sports Jiu Jitsu in Europe and brought it here to Thailand. Since then there had been many Sports Jiu Jitsu events in Thailand hosting world competitions. Then there is the BJJ. I DO NOT LIKE NOR APPROVE sports anything. I began going to Judo practices at a dojo that is "non-political" and not tied officially to the Thailand Judo Federation. ... I taught their students fundamental lessons on balance, folding, and different throws that are not part of Judo, but in classical Jiu Jitsu... The huge difference is that Traditional Jiu Jitsu is a "warrior art", a Budo. There are far more than just ground work and strikes. There is Chin Na, weapons training including knives, short swords, katana / boken, staff, bows and arrows, horse back ridding and shooting arrows on a horse back, swimming with full armor on the surface, swimming under water, climbing, how to use robes and tie knots, and more fundamental things such as health and diet, breathing, and calligraphy - centering the body - and breath, traditional medicine and herbal therapy, traditional pressure points for Budo and healing + massage, and so much more.... All these elements are lost because Judo was turned into a sport to satisfy the American Occupational Forces of Japan.... When Judo was conceived and born, it was a Budo / Warrior Art. All that disappeared.... It's best to use this analogy.... Traditional Roman Catholicism pre-1968 with Traditional Latin Mass, Rites of Ordination, formation of Priests, Rite of Exorcism, and the different ways the Holy Sacraments were carried out in the ancient ways versus the revolutionary Protestanized Catholicism after the 2nd Vatican Council.... Better yet Byzantine Eastern Orthodoxy versus Western Protestantism and Western Catholicism.... So very different and obviously entirely different 2 religions....The longer I hang out with the Modern Judo folks and practice with them, I will absorb their practices and rules that make Judo into a sport.One internalize things, and it shows. Given that this is the case, I just stop going to save myself from losing the "edge" of all the things I had been taught.... Even being engaged in Rendori sesssions with their people, I have to use their rules. Many of the Wazas that would work perfectly for Atemi and throws and locks that I would use are illegal, and just cannot do it. It all seems so unnatural. So, to save my art I had to stop going to Judo..... FINALLY, about "Kubi Hishigi" we were taught how to "break necks" from different positions. There are at least 8 ways that we were taught. I'm sure that there are more.... Unlike Judo, we emphasize "SAFETY". We do everything at 25% speed, and power. It's not "turn-on-all-cylinders" power throttle. Rather, instead of depending on being strong and fast, we depend on perfecting the execution of wazas with correct positioning of body, hands, arms, head, hips, et cetera to make wazas as effortless as possible...and as one get to the "SHODAN" level, one must be able to control one's own movements for everybody's sake...safety.

[@Chadi]

Great comment, budo should include everything, but with the modern world we have many priorities such work family education etc, a lot of people barely have time to go to judo, if you add weapons swimming striking etc almost everyone would quit, i assume that's why now we have more specialized arts.

[@scarred10]

what youre doing by not practising against fully resisting partners is making your techs ineffective,its that exact reason that judo and bjj and wrestling are effective in real match fights.You arent doing any tech correctly if you cannot do it on a committed attacker in training.Weve proven over 25 yrs ago that non full contact arts do not work in reality.

[@scarred10]

@De caprio Its crystal clear.

[@scarred10]

@De caprio what part do you not understand.

[@scarred10]

@De caprio if your training doesnt include full contact,full resistance striking and grappling combined,you arent ready for a real encounter.Practising anything with less than full resistance means its unproven and so unreliable in combat.We all have seen how poorly the styles that didnt train like this performed in the early yrs of mma in the 90s.

[@rustyshackleford735]

On another note: throws from the head without an arm are also banned in MMA.

[@marceloisoni9158]

In Brazil is a little bit different. Overhere is white, grey (for kids), blue, yellow, orange, green, purple, brown and black.

[@Chadi]

That explains the bjj colours as well

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Very scary techniques! It shows how the old samurai art was really a violent thing. I have no doubt that the samurais favored these old techniques on their training, learning and teaching. Jigoro Kano did an amazing job making it possible to do a martial art without having to kill or permanently injure your oponent. Not only Judo, but also BJJ was possible thanks to him.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

Nice video Chadi , again, my belief is that there are lvls of high injury risk techniques, first goes to the ones that cannot be controlled like Kani basami, and second to the ones that can make someone be harmed over the years, all kansetsu techniques belong to the second one. I believe that everything is part of judo and must not be forgotten but u must Ofc protect ppl from getting injured especially children, so it's good that judo have an age requirement in order to start training kansetsu and jime waza. Nevertheless even forbidden techniques must be learned by every judo practitioner for self defence reasons and to stop other arts from self promoting themselves as a more "realistic" , "real", "street oriented" art.

[@Chadi]

Agreed!

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

. Oh there is a guillotine variation in which you break the others neck while crocodile rolling after you catch the head...... its really fast effective and deadly but I don't know the judo name.

[@Chadi]

@@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970 could be a variation of osae hishigi but you roll like kata guruma or seoi nage

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

@@Chadi see gator roll in wrestling!

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

@@Chadi I practiced all those and even more with a great combat pancration coach, neck cranks were the bread and butter of Spartans, they would cripple somebody with them, and after the battle finished they would return to give the last blow so the enemy didn't suffer.

[@alafifi101]

This one is just epic! Good job Chadi. Thanks.

[@Chadi]

Thank you!

[@matthewzito6130]

Marco Ruas included a number of neck locks in his 90s Panther instructional video. I'm not sure how many of them are found in Judo, but one resembled the Guillotine Choke with the forearm across the face instead of under the chin (turning the head 90-degrees and pulling up). There was also a Reverse Half Nelson from guard and a Reverse Full Nelson Sweep/Sit-out/Crucifixion.

[@kevionrogers2605]

The problem with not allowing something in competition is that eventually competitiors eventually stop training it which leads the next generation to not learn it therefore not familiar with them how they work or how to counter them. In IBJJF slams are illegal, so most academies don't train to make their ukemi instinctive nor learn to counter getting picked up while in full guard, which was common knowledge in the 1990s to 2000s when I was training.

[@Chadi]

I agree, but falling is essential for their safety, breaking necks isn't, there are far more effectice yet safe techniques to train than neck cranks

[@chadkubo694]

Chadi, Thank you! Love your videos and your thoughts about martial arts, I total agree! My background is Judo, Hombu and Yoshinkai Aikido, Shotokan Karate. Keep up the good work!! Chad

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@Southyy]

Within my club, Kyushin Ryu Jujitsu, these techniques are taught but they are banned in our in house tournaments and all sport jujitsu.

[@jedijudoka]

“Leg locks banned” not in my dojo lol

[@grahamwyman1425]

These techniques are old school jujutsu. Great to see they’re not lost

[@Armilar255]

Same, in traditional jiu jitsu we also have all hishigi family banned, i don't know about bjj

[@philosophiaentis5612]

I am chocked! It makes brazilian jiu-jitsu look like a child's play.

[@raymondfarinas1913]

Looks like stuff that would make William Fairbairn nervous. He relied on techniques that were simple and adaptable and earned a reputation for killing judo practitioners in WW 2. These cranks were seldom met in modern battles, so may not have entered into fairbain's calculations.

[@stefanobio7045]

​@@raymondfarinas1913 Fairbairns "gutter fighting" system concentrated mostly on strikes, heavy emphasis being placed on the tiger claw, chin jab, and edge of hand blows. It is documented that fairbairn studied judo at the Kodakan and was probably taught Atemi waza there? Best regards, Stefano (UK).

[@fredazcarate4818]

Impressive, brutal, and deadly effective. I agree Chadi that the techniques described should be taught to hand full of qualified students. God bless you and your entire family.

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@fitepitsnbonfires]

Probly a good way to look at it !

[@stefanobio7045]

I was taught all these techniques by my Ju-Jitsu Sensei, I can confirm that some of them are very effective in actual real combat. Stefano (UK).

[@stefanobio7045]

Hi Chadi...... Thank you for posting this very interesting video. I have a first edition copy of his book "My method of self defense" it has recently been reprinted. It has many old school Ju-Jitsu techniques including the combat use of a knife. Its one of the books i always recommend for anyone interested in Ju-Jitsu and hand to hand combat. Best regards to you and your family. Train hard......fight easy Stefano (UK).

[@sandmanbrian777]

Thanks for sharing this information. It is good to learn about and also to prevent injuries. One question :are these techniques discussed in any of Kawaishi's publications ? If so please provide the name of the book ? Love to have this in my Research Library.

[@Chadi]

"My method of Judo" www.abebooks.fr/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=12996925715&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-tile1&searchurl=an%3Dkawaishi%26sortby%3D20%26tn%3Djudo

[@sandmanbrian777]

@@Chadi Thanks for taking the Time to share this natal background and explanation. Plus the publication source.

[@stefanobio7045]

The best book for these type of old school Ju-Jitsu techniques is his other book entitled "My method of self defence", unusually it also contains details on the use of a knife, this book has recently been reprinted. Stefano (UK).

[@Blacksheepinblack]

Wonderful video from judoka to judoka. Greetings from Spain

[@bigtimepimpin666]

Por curiosidad, en qué parte de España estais?

How to make a dullahan: > be an angry Irishman > fight a ju jutsu practitioner

[@Italiangentleman2394]

Do you have a video on kani basami ? There are some sweeps that are useful

[@themachine354]

I love your videos XD

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@angelzophiel]

this is old jiu jitsu !!

[@pablo.bonavena]

Jujutsu*

[@stefanobio7045]

​@@pablo.bonavena Yes old school Ju-Jitsu techniques, I can personally state that some of these are very effective in actual combat. Stefano (UK).

him demo-ing with a kid is just adorable

[@fitepitsnbonfires]

Interesting stuff,!!

[@markdaniels4178]

Chadi , you did it again 👏

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@ricardoaguilar4750]

Thanks for this vidéo kawaishi was father for France judo color level belt etc

[@guilhermeferreira8288]

Thank you for this vídeo! I did not knew about all this.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Guilherme

[@kristopherpichon2170]

In Gracie juijitsu grandmaster Helio taught the techniques to private students but we're not allowed to use during sparing

[@Jaybird196]

I'm not sure I'd want them in normal sport competition, either, but I think they should still be taught for self defense (to military/police, but also civilians).

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@stefanobio7045]

​@@Chadi Most military hand to hand combat systems were / are based on Ju-Jitsu. Fairbairn took the most effective strikes namely the tiger claw, chin jab, and axe hand as the basis for his "gutter fighting' system.

[@johnlin19]

were these techniques passed down from "old" jujitsu schools? my question is, did they come up with this and then banned them, or were these techniques actually used in combat?

[@Chadi]

These are old jujutsu techniques I'm sure they were in the original judo repertoire of techniques

[@stefanobio7045]

​@@Chadi I was taught all these techniques and many others by my Ju-Jitsu Sensei.

[@nihilistlemon1995]

In adcc , only two neck cranks are banned though , the crucifix and full nelson . Imo , neck cranks are should be trained as a legit submission . The injuries most people have ( me included lol ) are from body weight fall , not from dangerous submission . Ps where I can find the book ? The last one looks like the sub Josh Barnett put Dean Lister on .

[@Chadi]

You can find everything here: judoinfo.com/kubiwaza/

[@zarkomodric6509]

His name was Mikonosuke. His main contribution was his division of throws into leg throws, hip throws hand throws and sacrifice throws. After his death Europeans abandoned it for the classic Japanese kyu classification of throws.

[@Chadi]

I won't delete this comment

[@talouarnmarc1984]

we can see Minoru MOCHIZUKI doing Iai jutsu kata of Katori shinto ryu !

[@Surfman1337]

Kesa Gatame Kubi Hishigi can be merged with Hon Kesa Gatame. Right hand grab onto your own right thigh, then squeeze your right arm muscles, scissoring the neck while leaning forward. Left arm to control opponent as see fit (mostly controlling opponents right arm). Won every newaza fight.

[@bigtimepimpin666]

OMG!!! I couldnt believe it. That is a neck crank called "the can opener" in catchwrestling. It is mostly illegal in bjj competition. It isnt even taught in classic bjj.

[@colinmcgrath2392]

I'd never thought of changing a guillotine choke into a lateral move. Yuk, that would eff someone up!

[@silversurfer9019]

War-time Judo. There is also a wartime version of Aikido, my Aikido Sensei showed us some of the techniques

[@Chadi]

Aikido lethal techniques?

[@silversurfer9019]

@@Chadi yep, for whatever reason Sensei Tabata decided to teach us (it was an instructor's class) the subtle changes to turn Aikido lethal. He told us "this is the real Aikido" What he said made sense because the changes to make it war-time version was more natural to execute

[@Chadi]

@@silversurfer9019 I'd imagine irimi Nage is the technique that could be modified into a lethal one

[@silversurfer9019]

@@Chadi all the techniques can be modified, the mod on Irimi Nage was not included in the lesson but raising the throwing arm around the head would be applying the ukee's weight with your weight against the neck with the head and body going opposite directions...not necessarily the safest thing an ukee can go through

[@silversurfer9019]

BTW, as my son is training for the Judo Junior Olympics, last night his Koshi Guruma was in really good form, in randori he wasn't throwing his opponents he was launching them. So I was thinking of a nickname like 'Space-X' for him

[@rza884]

Hi Chadi, can you share the book title in this video

[@thomasturner4253]

Thanks for showing stuff that isn't taught anymore Judo originally was a all round art BJJ took Judo and turned into a sport BJJ is effective but is more for sport

[@chessbrilliance8783]

Scary stuff! 😱

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Very scary! It shows how the old samurai art was really a violent thing. I have no doubt that the samurais would prefer these techniques on their training, learning and teaching. Jigoro Kano did an amazing job making it possible to do a martial art without having to kill o permanently injure your oponent. Not just Judo, but also BJJ was possible thanks to him.

[@anthonyluisi7096]

The neck techniques look brutal ..if someone is trying to kill you I can see these techniques being in your repertoire ..

[@nicholasnapier2684]

I thought in the intent this is about combat basically is what I've seen as.. the basis behind all martial arts were founded in roots of discipline for defense in combat every part of the world this is the way it's been done why would you learn it if that's not the case to relearn the whole knowledge of using it... kind of like Reinventing the wheel I wouldn't want to learn it if I couldn't use it to its full advantage it has in the art......

[@gandoff7840]

7:28 bro the last thing you want is the police knowing this shit lmao

[@AyeJordan7]

What is the music called please?❤️❤️

[@CJ1776]

Ronin by jantrax

[@johnlopez9014]

U see this a lot in catch wrestling

[@rustyshackleford735]

I thought neck cranks were allowed, but not rotational techniques in CACC.

[@rustyshackleford735]

It's actually perplexed me that chokes aren't allowed in catch, but cranks are heavily used. It seems like the no choke rule created an atmosphere of extremely rough neck cranks and jaw/face locks instead.

[@johnlopez9014]

Rusty Shackleford recently they r allowing, especially matches in organizations like fight to win or polaris. Not sure if these specific organizations allows it but organizations a like. Slamming for example is allowed in fight to win

[@ThePsgamerandres]

I do the osae hishigi all the time in jiu jitsu, it's interesting to see that some people just won't tap until they feel a lot of stress in the neck...

[@Chadi]

You crank the neck or choke as in guillotine???

[@ThePsgamerandres]

@@Chadi I like to neck crank I feel that's easier than choking someone

[@marcuspiscaer4120]

I thought he was Butokukai, not Kodokan, am I wrong?

[@NB.7-20]

So anyone know the name of the background music?

[@CJ1776]

Jantrax ronin

[@rogerwilliams2629]

My grandfather wasa catch wrestler and did a lot of this

[@Chadi]

Awesome thanks for sharing

[@foxybrown2]

This looks like Catch Wrestling moves

[@defuwan4337]

Waki gatame uchimata is good

[@lMobiuscidl]

My reaction after watching this video: *_"oof"_*

[@k9m42]

Love these videos. I am actually glad these are banned. With all the half ass mma instructors now a days it would just lead to tragedies.

[@rustyshackleford735]

In MMA you're allowed to use straight angle neck cranks only. Rotational techniques are banned in MMA. Which is good imo.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@vytautasmikuciauskas222]

Show me link to this rule

[@wingoreviewsboxingandmma3667]

Chadi, why do you sound and talk like Lex Freidman?

[@Chadi]

Hahaha I'll take it as a compliment

[@bluelionsage99]

It strikes me as odd that there are moves obviously meant to inflict serious injury that involve grabbing the obi as a gi and obi set up would only be worn in a practice or competition setting. So with Judo having been designed for sport use why would such moves have been there in the first place.

[@HpPmL]

Because Judo was inteded to be used by the Japanese Police, and uniforms at the time included a belt over the coat or jacket.

[@kpllc4209]

Gyaku hishigi is the textbook guillotine

[@WulfAlpha]

Dude!!! Where can I learn all of this shit?!??!?!!!!!!??!!

[@stefanobio7045]

Start by reading his book titled "My method of self defense", another excellent book is "Classical and modern Ju-Jitsu" by Eddie Ferrie You will need to find an instructor of Japanese Ju-Jitsu who can teach you. Good luck Train hard .....fight easy. Stefano (UK).

[@stefanobio7045]

Firstly study his Book called "My method of self defence" which has recently been reprinted, another book I can recommend is "Classical and modern Ju-Jitsu" by Eddie Ferrie. Then locate a good Ju-Jitsu Sensei who you can train under. Good luck. Train hard......fight easy. Best regards, Stefano (UK).

[@hamadalrowaie6882]

Five stars !! 🖐👺

[@antoniopavan5169]

Soprattutto etica comportamentale , very Hood .

[@Chadi]

Thank you Antonio

[@Karen-fs6lf]

Stacking is still legal in judo

[@henrikg1388]

Well, Kubi Hishigi is commonly known as a "can opener" in wrestling. I don't know if it is still a legal move in wrestling, but Randy Couture won by this technique in a UFC match about 15 years ago, so I suppose it's legal in MMA. And a little eye candy for you all. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5bWkImwa9aZmsk

[@Chadi]

Wouldn't you get armbarred if you're in guard

[@henrikg1388]

@@Chadi You should think that is a counter, but if you lock it in, I suppose the defender have other things to think about. But don't ask me? I never trained it. I just remember Couture winning with it and googled a video with some hot chicks. :) I suppose you run the risk of getting armbarred doing a cross collar choke from the guard as well, but I managed to do that a few times. Just keep your elbows fixed to the chest and keep a low posture.

[@kpllc4209]

Yep, the can opener I use it if it is legal and I want to frustrate a person in guard, Mark Kerr would use it as well in Pride as a finisher.

[@scarred10]

@@Chadi its been used a few times in no gi comps by stronger opponents,its a strength move sometimes used to open the closed guard and you can avoid the armbar so long as you expect it.

[@donaldduke2233]

Chadi - go to www.judokai.net/mikinosuke-kawaishi They have My Method Of Judo and My Method Of Self Defense in French. I printed them out page after page. Took forever but now I have a clear copy of both. Click on Jacques LeGrand to learn about my teacher. In the 2nd group photo that's me on the right smiling at the camera.

[@vytautasmikuciauskas3377]

Speaking about mma there are no rules against neck snaping

[@Chadi]

Neck cranks are allowed

[@ibrenecario7357]

alot of the techniques is used in MMA and noone died from it, as fare as I know.

[@เด็กพเนจร-ฝ4ษ]

Neck locks are allowed in pro mma but not amateur

[@stefanobio7045]

Neck locks are not for sporting purposes but actual combat.

[@brunovieira8432]

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[@VD187Myst]

Judo know who you're messing with