Rimworld Guide | Killboxes

[@omppusolttu5799]

small tip: raiders cannot stop while on sandbags so if you add some sandbags to the entry point of the killbox they will be forced to push in and wont find cover.

[@coops3600]

Omppusolttu has this been changed or does it work with sandbags only? I tried to do it with chunks a little while back. What I noticed was that it did work, but the second an enemy actually took damage from a shot they would stop where they are and begin firing, even if standing on top of the chunks. I assumed this was a change Tynan had made to the AI to prevent this exploit.

[@wu1ming9shi]

@@coops3600 yeah, you can't put pitfalls right next to each other either anymore.

[@colmhauser9532]

Not counting sappers, raiders will walk any distance through a trap, no matter how long it is, if it's the only way to bedrooms, coolers, electricity sources and crops.

[@whitefox8376]

if you make a long enough tunnel filled with corpses garbage and misery they will break and eventually kill eachother

[@ShacolateClown]

@@whitefox8376 ahh thats why. i had like 10 dead bodies from previous raiders on a dumping zone behind the mountain ( because people got upset the whole goddamn time ) and when i got invaded by someone with a molotov / grenades and a few weapons they started to shoot eachother before the attack even began xD i had no idea that was the cause.

[@lazylad9538]

@@ShacolateClown or just make a grave and bury them

[@ShacolateClown]

@@lazylad9538 hey sorry for the late reponse. KZbin decided it was time to show this comment 1 month later. :/ i read that burying them also gived them recreation needs. But i only want to bury my own. Not the ones who tried to kill us and take over our colony xD they can rot perfectly fine above ground. Shows the next raiders aswell what can happen to them.

[@lazylad9538]

@@ShacolateClown hahaha that's fair enough, I do enjoy the odd victim laid out in my snipers killing field

[@matthewlong9821]

Also a tip, for colonist cover always have your colonists hide behind walls. Using a pattern like sandbag - wall - wall - sandbag - wall - wall - sandbag will provide excellent protection. Then a couple of layers of sandbags in front of the walls to soak up incoming fire and slow down melee characters. This will radically reduce the injuries from incoming raids. If you can't use the wall pattern and all you have are sandbags, remember to NOT stand colonists right next to each other. That will limit the "accidental" damage from misses.

[@cuzhe5696]

1:00 me with rimatomics: *is this some peasant joke I'm too rich to understand?*

[@60sSam]

Me, who has never played vanilla, whats this about only three types of turrets? "...too much power..." wut?

[@wu1ming9shi]

@@60sSam yeah, I remember building the atomic assembler from glittertech and suddenly all the power was gone! XD it used 65000 power!

[@dandman9373]

people who installed that terry crews power mod: "Space? i don't need 'space' "

[@battlesheep2552]

"oh are the savages at it again? Guess I'll have to crank the reactors up to 11 and vaporize them with the Marauders"

[@qihangshi9435]

The problem with typical killbox design is that 1) no solution to deter enemy melee from rushing your shooters, and once they are in range your other shooters are as dangerous as enemy shooters; and 2) placing turrets close to your pawns make it dangerous for your pawns since turrets are lousy shooters and explode upon death. If you instead place turrets like mines - i.e., close to the entrance so that enemy melee rushes toward turrets instead of your pawns, both problems solve themselves.

[@Vapir87]

New to rimworld, thanks for this!

[@thelolrus7491]

Hey, nice guide! I do wish you would have covered ways to lead raiders into the killbox itself, though.

[@juniorthejust]

Usually they will go into it themselves

[@bronsonmacleod8533]

Make it the only way for them to enter ie all other exits have doors and are 3-4 blocks thick

[@coops3600]

It’s very simple. Surround your entire base with an outer wall, then leave a small opening into the killbox that raiders can walk through. They’ll automatically use the only open entrance into your base and therefore automatically go into the killbox. This is only the case with normal raids though, not sappers.

[@coops3600]

@The Anonymous Lemon It can also be a door, it just has to be held open. It's actually best to do that because it means you can just go close it if manhunters come rather than trying to rush build a door before they pour in.

[@fiso64]

@@coops3600 So the enclosed area can be of any size, and they will still go to the opening? Edit: It kinda works. Half of the raiders went to the opening, the other broke through the wall on the opposite side.

[@memein7287]

[SUGGESTION] Tame a big and strong Pawns like elphant,rhinos,Megasloth,Bear and breed them. They wil be so handy if you are facing sappers.

[@reidy1012]

I know it's rare but what about taming thrumbos and breeding them? To be fair though playing as the predator race the plasma pistols and shoulder mounted plasma cannons seem to 1 hit kill most pawns if they have shooting above 11 including thrumbos. But from exp they take a lot of hits from other weapons.

[@helboy1999]

@@reidy1012 the problem with that is that thrubos take AGES to breed (trust me i tried it)

[@reidy1012]

@@helboy1999 Lmao! I've not actually had a play through yet lucky enough to tame two. I noticed and I'm not sure if it was mod related but my pawns wouldn't even milk my boomalopes so I could make chemfuel and nutroamine. My last playthrough ended in a lightning strike hitting my boomalope outside the roofed barn with growlights growing haygrass inside and not only did it trigger an explosion of all the other's but my 2nd set of battery banks and my predator colonist with a fucking pred bomb that also hit the rest of my pred colonists trying to put out the fire's 😔😂

[@helboy1999]

@@reidy1012 hahaha omg im sorry for youre colony but that is hilarius

[@entelin]

Actually very likely the best animal in the game are boars. They are common, they breed fast, move fast, eat grass, eat corpses, can be trained to attack, and they are cheap for how hard they hit which means they contribute less to your raid score. Once the breeding chain reaction starts you can have multiple people do nothing but handling and honestly, this can defeat damn near everything, and you can eat the ones that die. I've seen boars kill a centipede in like a second. They are also smallish, so unlike something like an elephant, many incoming shots miss. I only play on merciless and I can honestly say boars are damn near broken. Doesn't work in biomes without grass or that have long winters since feeding 100+ boars by farming is a bit much. The only reason I don't do it more often is that it's super annoying micromanaging grazing zones. Their strength is in numbers, so you want them grazing together, which means you will have to regularly move the grazing zone. I don't know if anything has changed in the expansion on this, but I can say that Horses are now the king of hauling, not elephants.

[@alphariusfuze8089]

*0:28** Lmao that guy on the left just say hi to him while in the battle hehe*

[@colevail473]

Thanks! Informative video for me. I usually make the mistake of having my colonies be sprawling with no actual defensive positions. I tend to get leveled by raids midgame lol. I'll use some of these tricks!

[@КОМБИНАТ-т1ъ]

Mods that add fortifications such as embrasures and trenches really help to avoid exploiting the game. The only bad thing is survived raiders don't find out your fortification config and next raids by the same fraction still will be d-daying your bunkers.

[@wu1ming9shi]

is that actually a thing they do? If you let survivors go wil they try to find a different spot to attack? O_o

[@КОМБИНАТ-т1ъ]

@@wu1ming9shi ,they do not, at least in any mod I know. And that's sad.

[@skavies2351]

3:22 right hand side, I'm pretty sure it's been several years since you could put dead fall traps next to each other horizontally or vertically. You might have been able to be touching diagonally when you made this, but as it's shown would have necessitated cheating mods. Heck, I think it's been at least 2 years since you could do it diagonally.

[@ERN468.]

i mean this was made a year ago...

[@tonycallme3667]

tbh having 3 melee colonist isnt that bad, they can tank bullets , they can Stall enemies , Draw attention, ect. Even tho they're not quite affective in killing, that's the job for the gunner/ranger i put 3 melee colonist on a door and they all hitting 1 enemy at the same time, you can put gunner/ranger behind them for more damage output but its kinda bad against mechanoid My killbox dont have a turret but it has ton of traps i put mostly turrets around all vulnerable spot on the base so Sappers and raiders wont go there

[@ev5837]

I don't really use melee until I get power armour. It just gets your colonists with good melee killed if they don't have proper defense

[@thededous1]

I used a marsh for a killbox once. Put a bridge for the raiders. They will still funnel inside the wide room if the bridge is thin. Midway through the bridge, I put an IED. Upon explosion, the bridge collapses and they are slowed down by the marsh, while picked by the turrets. Rarely I had mechs, manhunters, or raiders breakthrough.

[@zidane0017]

Breach axe goeesss brrrrr. Termites goes thump!

[@echothewanderer112]

I got a good killbox but it involves vanilla expanded power as well as doors expanded. Build a long corridor like box with the firing line on one end and the entrance on the other. Along the walls install gas vents. If the enemy makes it too close to the line and your close to being over run fall back outside the box and lock them in the corridor via remotely controlled gates. Then fill the corridor with gas and watch as your enemy's die a slow and painful death.

[@s.sradon9782]

'heat tactics' you mean incineration chamber?

[@juniorthejust]

Yes 😈

[@bumonthecorner13]

I try not to make kill boxes until I cant hold off any longer. I use run and gun so I get more enjoyment out of a trench warfare steady retreat kind of defence. Try it sometime I think its the most engaging and enjoyable way to handle raids.

[@wert7773]

I always make my colonies buildings densely packed because if my wall defenses fail then I can always fall back into the urban environment and steadily retreat until all is lost, its hella fun

[@Tkieron]

Thank you. I'm learning a lot here. However, Having the RimWorld screen in the back fuzzy like that with nothing in front of it during transitions is hard on the eyes. It makes the viewer try to focus but can't. Try not to leave the fuzzy screen on with nothing for the viewer to focus on. Otherwise a great video.

[@maia9624]

im kinda new at the game so maybe the question im asking is dumb, but how to you get the raiders to go in the killbox?

[@P.K.Veiller]

Remember to place hospital right on the back of kill box :>

[@pendantblade6361]

Good guide but you really shouldn't show modded stuff because everyone's modlist is different and newbies won't have mods installed.

[@BlubiDefault]

The mods he shows here, he mostly doesn't talk about and it doesn't devaluate what he's saying

[@he3004]

I had 15 shooters and 6 melee colonists in late game, I dont think melee is ineffective it really helped when Randy dropped raiders on top of me, I gave them plasteel longswords and shield belts

[@akukuat101]

@The Anonymous Lemon combat extended, only thing i hate the most centipede. That thing are tanks, with AP, SABOT small arms cant take those thing. Need AT or 50cal

[@bleflar9183]

Personally i just put crap load of turrets in a box. Works every time.

[@wu1ming9shi]

I usuallt try to mimic real world "star fortresses". Like having a few "L-shaped" bits with a lot of turrets to funnel through. this way there's almost no weak spot in your defenses. I also add a second part behind it for the lucky ones that do manage to get through. Also embrasures are your friend as well if you use that mod. Putting walls between each turret prevents them from causing chain explosions. I do often not do it on some specific points because the explosives can also kill the intruders themselves.

[@sirdoggydawg8600]

Any idea how to deal with sappers effectively. They seem to always be my down fall one way or another

[@ronmka8931]

Sir DoggyDAWG make a thick town wall and when the sappers arrive to to wall just mortar them as they wait on the grenadiers to break the wall down

[@bleflar9183]

Sappers will avoid turret range. So you have to put every pit of your wall inside a turret range. Then they should just go to your killbox.

[@TheEventHorizon909]

Sir DoggyDAWG build a trap outside of turret range with open path to base without turrets. Put doors there and traps. Works for me

[@bleflar9183]

@@TheEventHorizon909 Idk, would it work on late game raids?

[@Asmitha90]

get a few mele duds that will w8 for them to breach the wall, or just put traps in front of the wall.

[@samljer]

sandbags will fix the cover problem when they first enter.

[@lisamaitland157]

Use Dead Turrets to heard the enemy in the correct direction of your opening. Other wise Sappers, and waiting armies will not get there at the same time. They will break out other parts of your wall. With the New AI if you forget to place a roof on any spot of your large buildings, the Ai will Drop most the enemy inside your building lol." use this against them" .This has happen to me on a few occasions.. I leave open doors to high value items, and a few Steel traps in the mini kill box. This allows bodies to fill up at the start and near the end. This causes mental breakdowns of the enemy and it's the most funniest thing to watch lol. "they kill each other". {make sure you roll players that are immune to seeing death}

[@kiepyon1]

as a big base player and it super useful

[@gamerx112]

why not create a backup battery cluster and charge it to full. at a flip of a switch, you have extra power for your turrets to use.

[@MrBentmonkey]

You can even uninstall charged batteries and install them anywhere, portable energy for a time, they eventually run out of course but if the fight doesn't last too long you can do it there

[@Chelsea_2001]

Vanilla footage would be nice!

[@BlubiDefault]

The mods he shows here, he mostly doesn't talk about and it doesn't devaluate what he's saying

[@ArtOfCon-troll]

Same concept regardless of vanilla.

[@giovannirana1715]

Dont raiders back up or try to enter from another place?

[@serpentine6318]

IM EDGIIIIIIING AND IM ALMOST THERRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE

[@suacemanaquiatan9380]

Me who has a savage settlement: Wait wot mate?

[@felipelity7001]

From this video that noobcarnage got the idea.

[@guilhermerufino8593]

2:04 Best killbox. Link video ? I can't write Chinese

[@wakko151]

Embrasure.

[@garetkun808]

While it makes sense logically that a colony would have something like this, it's just too OP imo.

[@majormajorasic]

@@garetkun808 You can always use the ones that are glorified fancy looking sandbags. You can still walk over them, they give slightly more protection and cost crap ton more.

[@DzonsonJohnson]

@@garetkun808 said guy using killboxes

[@wu1ming9shi]

4 walled embrasures with a phat turret behind it, works everytime.

[@lv83bloodknight]

@@garetkun808 Embrasure makes bunkers a legit strategy tho.

[@TheRojo387]

Those are called "zwingers".

[@samsonthemanson]

Sandbags with no adjacent walls = dead pawns

[@berkcetin4171]

Yeah, they killed my ally. now my ally has turned against me. Thx.

[@panjan5512]

*laughs in transport pod raid*

[@Del-Canada]

How are you even still awake? It's nearly 11pm here. I'm turning in soon myself.

[@abhishekab1]

Does this work for Royalty as well?

[@wu1ming9shi]

@The Anonymous Lemon Haven't seen any raiders with psychic abilities yet...and I hope i won't see em any time soon either.

[@rvanzo925]

Am I the only one who thinks kill boxes are boring, just as making those single paths with hundreds of traps. I like just turrets and colonists defending, even if it means losing some colonists.

[@ayemar1660]

R Vanzo was thinking the same thing

[@connorrussell6449]

They can be fun if you have a lot of wealth compared to what you have, or you don't want to focus a lot on defencses

[@bleflar9183]

Maybe, but i can't think of a way of killing 50 centipedes without a killbox.

[@Asmitha90]

Well if youre colony is high end game multimilion base killbox is a must have. Im plaing with higher raider budget so they come well equiped and belive me you cant def aginst 50+ full power armor/combat drugs raids without killbox

[@ArtOfCon-troll]

@@Asmitha90 Yes, you can. Implying that you ever NEED a killbox means you're still an amateur.

[@augur8261]

To be fair, killboxes ruin the amazing RTS experience this game has to offer, and one can easily get off the planet without ever creating one.

[@juniorthejust]

true but sometime they are needed drastically

[@AugmentedGravity]

Combine turrets

[@nguyenduongtruongvinhchann7267]

star wars rise of skywalker

[@Joumn]

haha jokes on you i have combat extended so everything here is *USELESS*

[@darthsquid2107]

I just tank raids

[@elbarto6512]

Killboxes do not work. Raiders are just breaking through a double wall from behind your base.

[@icata12345]

i dont play with any mods tho some of this items i never seen

[@Indyday]

This is a mediocre guide at best. There are a ton of things that aren't mentioned at all.

[@Indyday]

@@TheOneWhoisSilly123 Any update planned?

[@juniorthejust]

Sure

[@joe31226]

killboxes are for the weak