Juri's biggest weakness - We need this changed!

[@Nalfendnd]

I thought I was going crazy cause everyone kept telling me "Just read it". I knew it felt like an uphill battle every time, good to know I'm not insane.

[@pkphantom]

I don't like the whole concept of "just read it" either because it's just a wack way of saying "guess what will happen and gamble on what you think comes next" is a valid strategy, and I'm not with that. If I wanted to play a game of luck I would play poker or D&D. I'm not a fortune teller. Saying the key to success for a specific character in a fighting game is to be one is dumb advice. Granted, I personally don't think Juri is starving in these streets and I DEFINITELY don't like the idea of Juri getting to run through projectiles with level 2 activated (I'm sorry but she gets WAY too much damage and mixup potential with that thing to allow that), but I can agree that she should get SOMETHING to help her balance out on defense against the poke. Something tied to OD usage, or give her a safe hop forward after she kicks a projectile. Not a massive dash, but why not give her a little one to get her into that "Are you sure about that?" distance

[@EliTheGleason]

But like... who doesn't have to read it? I play ryu and tatsu ain't hitting shit on reaction

[@CineGoodog]

Did you saw the video? He showed basic every character's response to fireballs ON REACTION. Yes reading is a skill you need to have on fighting games but when your win condition depends only on that ou have a problem with the MU

[@twelveoutoften7432]

​@@CineGoodog idk bro, half of anti projectiles moves in this game coudn't be done on reaction

[@KiXintheBowls]

I've said since day one that Juri struggles against fireballs and I'm glad you're speaking on this. Keep up the good work, bro. I learn so much every time I watch you.

[@drose_the_god5035]

I just started playing Juri two weeks, its hard to deal with fire balls, especially now 70% of the match ups are Gouki. I thought Juri is supposed to have easier time on fire ball as an aggresive fast character like Cammy and Kimberly.

[@BigNastyKail]

It’s always been her archtype to be anti fireball. Sf6 changed her. :/

[@jigobame2669]

Capcom introduced Juri as a mix up character. But, how is she supposed to mix up if she struggles to approach her opponent?

[@franzzz1174]

Its crazy that even Zangief has more options against fireballs than juri

[@vhex61]

Agree. Even her fuha stocks is not easy to time consistently, and the recovery is too long if the opponent rush in after fireball… and her bread & butter hit confirm into special is very susceptible to DI. Making her dive kick plus on block could be the easiest fix though.

[@BigNastyKail]

Yea fuha stocks put you at risk for DR punishes. Sucks. And you shouldn’t be using her fuha on block. She needs something grounded for fireballs. I’ve decided. Dive kick isn’t it

[@OkairMcLaren]

Ryu has an anti fireball move, the spinning kick

[@Crouton-]

Heavy tatsu*

[@deuserwan5786]

It's only a cheesy options, not a real one. It can work, a full screen hp tatsu with PC can link into hp dp lvl 3 but that's a read and most of the time it fails and then you just get optimal comboed. It's only great when your opponent gets realllllly predictable (some jp have the same gameplan from round 1 to 6)

[@deadxobbit]

Juri's struggle with fireballs was apparent when I first got the game. My initial thought was "where's that anti-fireball kick from SFV?" Very well thought out video, I agree with your points wholeheartedly.

[@jigobame2669]

I get you, fella. That's why i started playing Manon. When i'm closer to my opponent, even Guile, they think twice before using their fire ball.

[@AzurePsycho25]

As a Juri main i absolutely agree with this video 100 percent. There's alot of missed opportunities to give her a bit more tools to counter fireballs. Even if you dodge it with Divekick its not promised to work as they can easily counter you before you even hit them. Getting something like her parry from SF4 would work out perfectly or even that move from SFV you mentioned. 💜

[@witchofskye1961]

Honestly, I would gladly trade some of Juri's current strengths for any of her old anti-fireball moves. Zoning is really strong in this game, so having less ways to deal with that than the rest of the cast makes too many match-ups a miserable slog to deal with.

[@eyeh0]

Since the beginning, I’ve wanted her divekick to have multiple trajectories like it did in SF4 and SFxT. Divekick having part of its lower hurtbox be projectile invincible would be a lot of help too. But if we can’t have any of this, yeah, a new move might be the only way. I miss her SF4 counter, but I’m partial to an adjusted SFV VS2 as an unorthodox approach as it gives her a projectile barrier like Guile’s sonic blade.

[@jigobame2669]

The worst part of it, is that Cammy dive kicks are almost unpinishable, specially the EX version of canon strike.

[@face1569]

Ahhh this is such a good video Like you said I’d trade all of the season 2 buffs for anti fireball tech

[@MirruArcade]

I feel like Juri’s Fuha stocked spin kicks should beat fireballs. Even if they don’t add a move to QCB+Punch that move could work hell even if it’s just the first kick. I’m not saying that would be the best option but damnit she needs something. She’s always struggled against fireball characters in this game and even with her having a fireball-you don’t really want to use hers against characters that just tech right over/through it. Not to mention she’s a character that relies on storing stocks to be effective. No other character in the game NEEDs their stocks to enforce their gameplan

[@plannedtuna8293]

? I’d say Lily and Jamie need their stocks to enforce their gameplan, much more-so than Juri actually.

[@aspreedacore]

yeah wtf thats how it worked in sfv

[@Zel-Veraan]

This feels like a very decent solution since enhanced Go Osastsu is already a very committal move. Making the enhanced version either destroy or invulnerable to projectiles would mitigate a glaring weakness without making her a busted character. Since in this scenario it would take a stock to bypass a single-hit fireball, your followup options would be nonexistent unless you have three stocks to cancel into a projectile and then Enkensatsu.

[@GarrettComics]

Manon would like to have a word with you about fireball evasion and how it does not work.

[@DrSwazz]

Ngl Juri getting her demon flip/SF4 teleport back on fireball clash would be sick lol

[@BigNastyKail]

I agree!

[@DICASEGAMEPLAYS]

It's sad to think that she had two great options against fireballs in Street Fighter 5...but neither of them were kept in this SF 6.

[@curlydolltv]

what were they

[@DICASEGAMEPLAYS]

​@@curlydolltv13:14 those ones...

[@aspreedacore]

@@curlydolltv she had a ghetto chun li diving axe kick like attack and she had her SA2 startup as a command move (both medium buttons )

[@cazhman4293]

I believe capcom overlooked juri as a character, not only with no unique option’s against fireballs but also with her stock mechanic. It almost like her base character is locked behind the stocks. An example of this would be like her fireball, no other character’s fireball has a cost to use but juri, even if we took a look at her EX moves why would you have to pay more bar to extend her combos if that’s the whole reason for the stocks, so you need 2 resources to extend a combo other characters can for less.

[@golgaut83]

I think you're totally right and it's the reason why I dropped her. There are way too many fireballs in the game for her to be the only character that needs to deal with it at every moment of a game. So yeah, I love her in SF6 but some match ups are straight up to hard for me just because of the fire ball. I understand her low fire ball is supposed to be a good thing for her, but I think it does the opposite.

[@Crouton-]

It just neutralizes the fireball war but not in her favor imo. It's slow by design so the opponents fireball will hit her before it will hit them in some cases. It's honestly a free punish in some ranges because the her fireball is to slow/far to be threatening while a heavy hadouken will hit her..... Don't even get me started on the guile match up too, I start staring with him and play to run out the clock once I got life lead lol. It's a struggle.

[@LegendaryO34]

4:45 Ryu's Tatsu goes through fireballs in every Street fighter game

[@PerfectPencil]

Welp.. gonna be a full year before we see if Capcom gives Juri something.

[@zachwatts4690]

I didn’t even know she had specific anti-fireball tools in previous games because SF6 is my first. That’s really disappointing. I think making the level 2 dash fireball invincible would be really helpful (and also incentivize more people to start learning the super earlier to get a punish + setups for people throwing out fireballs)

[@nickkiller-0710]

She was one of the best anti zoners in 4 and 5 lol It's really weird how they completely took that away from her

[@m.canaris7172]

Completely agree, I first picked up Juri on SFV. I liked Ryodansatdu and was gutted when it wasn't in 6. Its frustrating because in the How to Play Juri in SF6 it suggests divekick is you fireball tool but unless you read the fireball a jump its almost useless. Even if the don't put it in, enhanced Go Ohsatsu beating fireballs would be good

[@UNQANI]

💜💜💜 I remember when I first started playing when the game came out I wished she could avoid fireballs by drive rushing under because how low she drops like how you mentioned her level 2.

[@josevitorcalfa2]

In that regard, I miss her SF5 incarnation, V-Skill 1 and her arch kick were some very useful tools against projectiles.

[@CineGoodog]

I've played Juri on SF5 and SF6 and I agree, not only she is the only in the case that cannot deal with fireballs but the ENTIRE cast has moves to easily deal with her fireball on neutral. Zangief hop knee, chunli flying kick, condor spire, headbutt, blanka ball. The one suggestion that I have and it is pretty much fair is to make ex fuha stack to REFLECT any projectile back (aside from supers) giving her room to approach.

[@fockyutuub5193]

yeah ever since the game released people said ryu was weak as shit but any ryu that knew ryu was a zoner by spamming fireballs would win so easy against me. i literally didnt understand why until i noticed that some ryus would throw fireballs and some wouldnt i would only lose to fireballs ryus. because juri needs to get close in while ryu zoners would just keep walking backwards and spamming fireballs.

[@aDexis7]

when going from sfv for sf6 i missed juri's flip. ex flip was a anti fireball move, they just dumped it for the new store when they could just add the store as qcb + p and keep the flip

[@Sinbad83]

I used to deal with Fireballs with the Level 1. But since they expanded the hurtbox backwards, I'm not being able to bypass fireballs with Level 1 anymore. :'(

[@davefood635]

To preface, i am not the best juri who has not fought the best players, so take my opinion with a healthy pinch of salt. IMO, juri's weakness to fireballs is something she should have (to an extent), I dont belive that a character with the pressure and speed of juri should also have an exlusive anti-fireball move, I also dont think she should have none. If we were to give her anti-fireball, SA2 dash would definitely be a fair change (as it definitely looks like it should be projectile invuln), and I would seggest making EX divekick either faster or safer on block, as it really only has use in combos due to its unreliability as an anti-fireball option. Overall, I feel like juri is in a good place, and can compete with the rest on the cast, even if some matchups are painful.

[@jigobame2669]

I get you, but where do you put Kimberly, Cammy, and Rashid especially that are mush more aggressive during mix up?

[@Lordsetsunia]

​@@jigobame2669 check mate...Cammy has a dive kick and easily goes through fireballs, so Does Rashid.

[@saltybogan9602]

How does Juri compete with Guile?

[@jigobame2669]

@@saltybogan9602I hit Master rank since a while now, but Guile is still my hardest match up when i play Juri. But when I play Manon, I easily go through fireballs to get medals.

[@Zel-Veraan]

​@@saltybogan9602she hits him once and then time scams him. It's an unfortunate existence.

[@garusan2130]

They even nerfed her lv1 so she no longer can low profile proyectiles like Luke's, all I ever wanted was a proper dive kick with better frame advanate on block, faster and different angles.

[@jigobame2669]

I think Capcom hates this character. That's why i started playing Manon and Luke depending on the situation apart from Juri.

[@user-gh7mn1xp9m]

Yeah I tried her lvl 1 recently and a fireball clearly passed me, but it still registered as a hit. I couldn't belive it.

[@user-gh7mn1xp9m]

I agree fireballs are very difficult to deal with as Juri! At this point the only options we have is wait for the other player to mess up while actively trying not to be pinned into a corner.

[@OrinNekomata]

I'd really like a return of her parry-move from SSFIV, but I'm just a fan of parry-moves in general.

[@chico4175]

Buff Juri pls💜

[@BigNastyKail]

Streets need that!

[@magicmark3588]

The fuha being projectile property is actually a super cool idea. I'm surprised people think that would be too much.

[@opsm4817]

Possibly when the fuha collides with a fireball, gives juri immediate recovery

[@_Ash09292_]

i play almost every day with my friends, we even made a very small community here in sardinia. I'm a juri player and my 2 friends who i play with the most play ryu and akuma....i really struggle to take the game or even the round 'cause juri has not the right moves to deal with fireballs😭

[@BigNastyKail]

Practice your perfect parries. Practice reacting to fireballs with a jump. Hell…any jump you hit on them make sure you’re doing enough damage to make them afraid. It’s annoying but winnable.

[@RanOutOfSpac]

Okay, so Juri is my girl, and always will be. BUUUT I’m actually okay with her not having a dedicated “move” to deal with fireballs. What I would REALLY want is 1 of 2 things. 1. Bring back all of Juri’s fireball specials that she had in USF4. Her unique fireball system in that game was so much fun. It gave her super cool combos, and made her able to rushdown if she wanted, but she was also an INCREDIBLE Zoner. Obviously this will never happen in SF6. 2. This is much more likely. In USF4, when she was in Feng Shui Engine, her NORMAL forward dash went from top 5 best in the game to indisputably best forward dash in the game. It becomes insanely fast, goes nearly full screen, and most importantly, shrank her hurtbox. This let her low profile most fireballs. The timing was TIGHT, but damn was it fun dashing under sonic booms. Buffing Juri’s normal dash while in Feng Shui in a similar way, but also adding fireball invincibility would be so fun. Side note: I wouldn’t want the initial dash when activating level 2 to be buffed if this were to happen.

[@elrithad6439]

Not to mention that Juri also had her QCB+P parry/dash/teleport mechanic in USF4 that could also be used vs fireballs. Damn, I really do miss USF4 Juri.

[@RanOutOfSpac]

@@elrithad6439 Same. Same.

[@SaikyoSensei]

Don't play Juri (or much sf6 since Tekken 7 came out) but I have legit thought this entire time that the dash on her SA2 was fully invulnerable since launch

[@Clout_Strife]

The switch to cammy thing is funny cause i play both. With Juri if someone is doing like obvious spam i just go for fuha stocks and just parry the others

[@dfpelino]

I've been playing Juri since the beta and have had hundreds of JP players complain about the Juri matchup. And in my head I always think that they have to just be bad at street fighter because there is nothing Juri can do about his zoning that doesn't have a risk. Sometimes if Juri does a drive rush she can go through his fireball because the hit activates after she passes through, but it's not consistent enough to try to do. And the amount of times I get whiff punished for trying to close the gap is insane. I do an early st.mk from a drive rush to try to close distance safely and trying to stuff out a button they press, but they just get a whiff punish st.hp and I eat 50% and am sent back to full screen with 3 fewer drive gauge bars. I really don't understand how people can justify Juri not having any tools to deal with fireballs. Even something as simple as giving her a mid fireball again would be huge so she could close the gap behind it like Chun, Ken, DeeJay, etc.

[@dfpelino]

@CaptainOfTheCrapShak It's literally free. Did you not watch the video? 💀

[@dfpelino]

@@CaptainOfTheCrapShak Someone didn't watch the video

[@twelveoutoften7432]

1700+ mr Juri JP matchup winrate in her favor. Try spacing drive rush buttons better to not get whiff punished lmao

[@dfpelino]

@twelveoutoften7432 1700+ MR Juri, matchup not in her favor drive rush startup gets stuffed if he does pierce and spacing isn't the answer because he has more range from his projectiles. He can react to the drive rush with any projectile and hit you out of it. Long story short he has more answers to Juri's approach options than she has approach options. Maybe try playing in tournaments and seeing how a good JP player plays the matchup instead of ranked scrubs lmao

[@twelveoutoften7432]

@@dfpelino it's in her favor, you can check stats made by CatCammy. JP is actually one of her best MUs throughout half year at pretty high MR, statistically speaking. Many pros i heard say the same

[@mukiex4413]

It’s kinda funny, I spent a good chunk of yesterday trying to figure out what my counter play would be for fireballs. This kinda cements that my options are, “good fucking luck”. XD I was pondering trying Cammy, too, and now I’m wondering if that’s a stereotype in the SF6 community.

[@Crouton-]

Stereotype? I say play who ever you want. My friends tease me every once in a while fpr mainly playing juri, cammy, and chun li but I honestly think they are the coolest characters in all of fighting games! Ken has slowly become my comfort pick though, he's kinda the same in all games and looks really cool in 3rd strike.

[@HopperDragon]

Bro, if it was really "good fucking luck" jury wouldn't be top tier and so successful. The fact is, universal strategies for dealing with fireballs are sufficient.

[@BigNastyKail]

Then let’s remove everyone else’s. This is the point. She’s the outlier. If universal mechanics are enough why does EVERYONE have something?

[@HopperDragon]

@@BigNastyKail They are enough, but having specific tools is obviously better. It's clearly a balancing decision that jury is worse at dealing with fireballs than the rest of the cast, whether we agree with that decision or not. And I agree with you that jury is an outlier. But if it was like this guy says, and it's truly just "good luck" whenever there's a fireball character on screen, that would literally mean jury stops functioning in like 60% of matchups, which, obviously, she does not.

[@محمدمحمد-ش4د6ك]

@@HopperDragonno universal mechanic in this game saves u from fireballs accept for jumping and idk about u but I don’t feel like playing slot machines jumping every two seconds and maybe get lucky one time so I can actually start playing the game.

[@runbaaL337]

Don't forget that Ryu's heavy tatsu also goes through fireball. It's slow, but at times, it can catch people off guard. And at specific spacing, it won't side switch and you can even get a DP, and by extension, SA3 off of it.

[@euvericetv755]

Jamies breakdance doesnt count Marisa suffers from this as well aki and manons just got fixed tbh Cammies got nerfed pretty hard

[@xgrandchampx8916]

I honestly learn so much watching your video's. You have a deep knowledge of the game, multiple characters and match ups. I would love to have something to deal with fireballs, but I would fear we would lose something else if they gave it to her.

[@code974ap]

I used to use the level 1 against the fireball. The timing was short but possible with pratice. Now it's gone and I can feel the difference against fireball. And it happen with Akuma which has so string and abuse fireball.

[@thetendieteam]

My unhinged Juri change is that we be able to build meter while in FSE. Utterly insane, but I still want it.

[@kazutomotakayoshtosh]

is ryu’s tatsu fireball invincible?

[@BigNastyKail]

Mk and hk after 10 frames.

[@Kreusnik]

@@BigNastyKail Akuma mk tatsu also bypass fireballs

[@smilingryu2274]

juri on sf5 had the v trigger flash and the half moon kick both nowhere to be found on sf6....

[@leexboys]

I think making juri's qcf heavy kick with stock clash with fireballs would good, the first kick would clash with the fireball and then the opponent would get hit, and to make it more consistent make the start up of it fireball invulnerable since you can only do it up close

[@BigNastyKail]

Ankensatsu and go-oh satsu should both clash imo.

[@DavyDevil666]

Yo man just saw this video yesterday and while I had heard of Perfect Parry Sweep, often you're not close enough for that to work. Just clutched out a round vs an Akuma who was spamming a lot of fireballs with Perfect Parry Up forwards. Cheers for mentioning it on this vid! It's hard but at least its something!

[@coolassjack3214]

Absolutely not on all levels. Homogeneity in fighting games is becoming too much. It is not only ok it is BETTER for some characters to have clear weaknesses and strengths. Fireballs shut Juri down and that is not only how it should be it makes the game better. In fact GIVE MORE CHARACTERS WEAKNESSES!

[@Doctor...7-g8j]

Charcters shouldn't be perfect, more defining weaknesses is a way better design imo. Juri should have dealing with fireballs her main problem especially that she has very good buttons

[@OP10thNakama]

Have her ex fireball shrink her hit box and allow her to go under fireballs. But the hurt box shrink should only apply if she doesn't have a stock while she goes into exfireball.

[@Omnicloud7strife]

My friend is a Juri main. We're both still green, so we haven't noticed this. But I'll try to keep it in mind as we keep improving.

[@AJMurdoc]

10:31 as a Plat 2 I think the Fuha change to let it be better against projectiles is the best answer for projectiles. Great points all around. I do think Juri is a weird case where any over Tuning could make her REALLY obnoxious. But she should have solutions to her bad issues, like you said. Let’s hope.

[@BigNastyKail]

Whenever anyone talks about “be careful don’t wanna buff her”. Like everyone’s describing chun-li rofl.

[@soramercury7074]

@@BigNastyKail the thing is, last season pros like nephew considered the matchups against ken and ryu to be about even, while she was even beating jp. the only really hard matchups according to most people were against chun and guile, if i remember correctly. now luke got nerfed, jp got nerfed and in the last tournament i think i heard nephew say the luke matchup is even too. so believe me, i kinda hate playing against fireball characters right now... it is just no fun longterm and i really hope she gets her flips back man. but giving it to her should come alongside other tools for some characters to deal with juri then. because i think we don't want any character to be as strong as chun/deejay, or last season top tiers even.

[@FGC_Chris_06]

You hit the nail on the head?I was really hoping they would give her back The teleport she had in SF4 To help her maneuver around fireballs

[@salimgarcia2297]

Easy solution. Make her first frames of her projectile low profile hadoukens/sand blast/Sonic boom. That would allow help Juri getting in without being obnoxious like Cammy's/Chun's projectile invul. tools.

[@thegamingniceguy3181]

Amazing video! You are so right! I wish I was as analytical as you are. Keep up the great work.

[@ChaoSerenity]

This is exactly what I've been struggling with. I have pondered that if Juri had a low stance to go under with/or Ryodansatsu to go over fireballs. She only has 3 unique standing moves which I realized during WT when kitting out my avatar. I feel limited when it comes to Shotos with Juri, but I'd like more options for all matchups.

[@Ichiban291]

Ryu or Akuma or both also have a tatsu that goes through fireballs I think

[@AgentownshipRebelion]

I've been struggling when my opponents enter plasma chucking mode but I assumed i just hadn't figured out how to deal with it. Most only do it until they seem to get bored though so only 4-5. 😅

[@pocketblue]

My ways of dealing with fireballs: 1) Backdash and jump forward while buffering divekick. (opponent COULD chase you to take space or dash+DP if you do it too much, but most importantly it does make them respect you, pausing their barrage) 2) Level 3 reliably pulls them in from midscreen. (so they are forced to slowly back off if they wanna fireball) 3) OD saihasho. Opponent WILL pause their fireball spam and it'll be your turn, naturally. Also, SITUATIONALLY, Juri has the luxury of recovering her drive gauge more reliably while defending against fireballs. Parry pauses your drive recovery while countering a fireball with fuha doesn't. Try to parry only OD fireballs, or if the opponent is too close Parry also gives your enemy more special meter, while "fuha parry" doesn't. Of course, you have to have space behind you, so don't lose neutral. Funny how even this strat beautifully fits the "corner is death" design TLDR: You back away just to get that one opening and threaten the faraway jump-in. Even the only way to space divekick for -3 is from that distance!

[@BigNastyKail]

I’m happy for you / I’m sorry that happened to you

[@pocketblue]

@@BigNastyKail huh

[@pocketblue]

I'm sorry if I said something stupid. Appreciate the content man

[@BryFo]

As a Juri main, the best solution what I do against playing against Fireball chatacter is, just play your opponent from close, quarter or half distance. Up close they will highly less likely to throw fireballs. Quarter distance they can but, you can just jump over the fireball to punish them. Half distance they is kind of tricky. Though if time right you can just do dive kick to punish. Hopefully they dont DP Being full screen away is just asking to be screwed as a Juri player. Most of them will just spam fireballs until the clock runs out, even if you keep parrying them if they are in the lead with health.

[@ct8275]

SF6 is my first fighting game I've been playing more seriously and as a Juri main. I thought I was just bad at fireball reads but this video makes me feel better.

[@cobeetum]

Only truths come out of your mouth, I totally agree

[@kazutomotakayoshtosh]

imagine they give juri her flip kick back

[@Crouton-]

Bro DAY ONE I've been saying this. I don't know why they stripped her of her options from sfv. Like the dive kick is fine but if the opponent relizes what your doing jumping forward half the screen away then they just get ready to dp and thats that.

[@Ichigo13500]

Glad I'm not the only one, very validating to hear this take 💯

[@finalxsolidxsnake]

Cammy is starting to have the same problem match ups like guile and akuma seem a lot harder with that spin knuckle nerf

[@BlackTestament]

On one hand I want Juri mains to suffer but on the other end the Juri match up would be a LOT more interesting if she had a type of reversal against fireballs as a Guile player myself, this was a great video showcasing this issue

[@LortOfTheStones]

I wish we would still have her parry from SF4.

[@thathomiefox]

How do you change your character icons in the select screen?

[@BigNastyKail]

A mod from nexusmods dot com

[@thathomiefox]

@@BigNastyKail thanks

[@kh2sora13]

I want kasatushi and different dive kick travel distances back so bad!

[@morelesslike]

I would disagree regarding her dive kick. Jumping forward at a safe distance still allows to punish a fireball on reaction and helps to somewhat deter from constant spam unless you are playing against Aki. But yeah, you have to get lucky with timing in the first place for that to work. Invincibility for lvl 2 startup is also a great idea. Think it would really incentivise its usage outside of higher ranks 💜

[@BigNastyKail]

Any time that I have to give up 45 frames (jump) preemptively in hopes for a fireball, we’re not in a good position.

[@Eddiewarwolf]

I'm a Kim main that recently picked up Juri as a 2nd, and yeah, dealing with fireballs has been a struggle!

[@Sp3llmen]

Ya i agreed with this since the first day of release. Ive constantly said over and over again "I hate shotos" because they can fireball spam and i have 0 ways to beat it consistently. An since shotos are the most overplayed class of characters (ken/luke season 1, now akuma season 2) it feels so much worse. Its made me sto playing for several months simply because the character I want to play loses to the most over picked characters in ranked. Gets really old constantly losing to fireball spam when they decide to play like an asshole and not fight me.

[@rafachin-br]

Cammy was nerfed in Sesson 2 The spin is not so good to use, it has to be inside the guy's head to be able to use the move...

[@BigNastyKail]

It’s still plus on block…

[@rafachin-br]

@@BigNastyKail Only with the strong punch, but the chance of you getting Punish Counter is huge.

[@kenja0685]

OD Go Ohsatsu should be projectile invul. It would be meterless and you need 1 stock + 1 more drive gauge stock to make it safe. I do use Go Ohsatsu and OD Go Ohsatsu to contend with people outside of normal range and catch them off guard. And just because I get the hit doesn't mean I win the round. I think it would be fine to weave it into her kit than to build a brand new move. I do feel like Capcom built SF6 Juri very methodically and the issues with 6MK and HK and no projectile invul were intentional nerfs by the dev team.

[@noeldontfwyou]

I remember noticing this when I played her but I was fairly new so I didnt say anything but Im glad more people are starting to notice

[@jigobame2669]

I felt strange to my friends when i spent so much time to explain this to them. It's really frustrating to get huge damages in order to get closer to opponents with fire balls, especially Guile, Ryu, Dee Jay, or Akuma. I'm still thinking that SF4 juri was the best version of her. Capcom introduced Juri as a mix up character in SF6. But, how is she supposed to mix up if she struggles to approach her opponent?

[@Sansturtle]

Ryu’s tatsu goes through fireballs 👀

[@_Markito0]

I dead be struggling dealing with characters with fireball I normally just hope my opponent makes a mistake 😅and I can just move in and I hope capcom give juri something good in the future but for now it’s a challenge we just gotta deal with

[@meame6945]

Doesn't Ryu's tatsumaki/spinning kick special move go through fireballs?

[@Giraffinator]

What do you think of letting her do divekick from neutral jump

[@NotPako]

Thank you! Someone is saying it! This was the first thing I noticed coming after playing V.

[@lxvxiex]

3:46 GYAAAATTTT

[@muckdriver]

I've been thinking about this but I'd be find to lose elbow and cr.MP effectiveness or something in exchange for her dodge from Sf4 or her splits from sf5. Maybe make it so there is some fireball invincibility startt? I find juri most fun with more flexibility in the combos, it's why I like they added cancels to her target. I forget about her Vskill but but that would also be a good alternative make it more like cammys current heavy knuckle. A read threat. It's not reactive but always there.

[@MarcusWAndrade]

Thanks God someone is saying this! I was thinking that I was crazy to say this!

[@Black_Excellence]

@BigNastyKail, Ryu also can hurricane kick through fireballs as well my guy.

[@Black_Excellence]

But yeah, I full heartedly agree with you. I thought the same as you in that she is missing a punch special slot and any of her moves from IV or V would be a welcome addition to her moveset to contest fireballs.

[@dgmaka6292]

Here's to hoping either of those old moves return or characters get new moves in the future for situations like this or to just spruce the game up more in general. If this is not a viable option, any thoughts on any of her fuha attacks having fireball invuln? It's not a thing, but my brain constantly wants to believe that ex qcf -> lk has some form of high crush property just because of the animation of her crouching to throw the projectile.

[@mercurial7962]

Do you think Juri's vskill 2 from SFV is the answer? That If the devs bring it to SF6.

[@riczz4641]

Dive kick seems to be "THE TOOL" for that, might not be a great tool l but it works well enough and you can say that about everyone, not all are great but the option is there and we all need to make a read.

[@UGSLive]

At first I was gonna be like meh, but then I remembered besides the options she had in 4 and 5 you mentioned, I'm mad her medium and Heavy store specials could destroy projectiles in 5 but can't in 6 for some reason. I'm glad the store hitbox was more like Sf4 and definite improvement over 5 but yeah wish she could still plow through them like previously,

[@Onewolf101]

im hurt they took away her flip from sfv!! The one tool i wanted the most, was a good grab bait,combo extender and for zoning smh

[@Gyraz98]

Mb they should make 236HK hitbox lower in the first hit with fujas or 236MK to go through

[@randyR971]

I played juri since SF5 and i didn't stop playing her .Since SF6 i lost so much fight since i only fall on projectile players sendIng fire ball all long and i get tired of it i agree for the idea with the lvl 2 making the fightsa little less frustrating🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TherealChainsawmaniac]

I'm making her level 2 fire ball invincible isn't going to really change the match up against Juri for me cause I'm a Zangief Main lol but I think its fair for her

[@ProjectH1980]

I've all but forgotten that she had those moves in the past. I disagree with the Zangief part. Lariat barely has any foward Momentum and Level 2 Start up is sometimes too slow to catch zoners unless you do it almost at sweep range. You'd think that Saihasho would allow Juri to duck under Fireballs but no. And her Level 1 gets stuffed on start up by a Fireball. So not even that works. 💜

[@loganbro5286]

I see what you mean. When i first played, i played juri, and going against people with fireballs was really hard. You couldn't get close to the opponent. i agree with you 100 % she should have an anti fireball move

[@Yeezyrabbit]

Completely off topic, but how do you get juris special moves to have a colorful shadow(?) idk if that’s how you describe it. When you get a stock the stock and special move are not the normal black and white shadow. Is it a mod?

[@BigNastyKail]

It’s the vfx color mod from nexusmods

[@lazygan8576]

I don't interact or keep up with the SF6 community beyond just watching high skill matches, so I really thought the fireballs were a me issue, glad to know it's a Juri issue lol.