Just Another Mario vs Sonic Death Battle Debunk *READ DESCRIPTION!*

Update 3: As you can see, I’ve changed my username because of all the harassment I’ve been receiving for being a Sonic fan. I hope you Mario fuckboys are fucking happy now. You losers called me racial slurs, insulted me for being on the spectrum, said that I have a mental problem, told me to go kill myself, and called me every name in the book. Should you Mario fucktards imply that I’m stupid yet I won scholarships to study abroad in Japan and graduate from college with a bachelors degree in business administration; information systems.  Meanwhile, you subhuman twats think that “winning debates” online makes you smart or something, you people are fucking PATHETIC! And I but all you losers in this Mario Cult have probably never even touched a girl in your life. And to think I made this channel to showcase my love for video games and anime, but it ended up destroying it instead as this Mario vs Sonic bullshit blew up on my channel, which has caused me to question my life place me on a spiritual journey which you can see on my alt channel. To all you Mario fanboys who have harassed me just for saying sonic should’ve won, you need to grow the fuck up you fucking losers!
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I've finally finished my little debunking video for this Death Battle. It's also a bit of a farewell video as I'm taking a break from KZbin because I can't stand this toxic gaming community and I need to focus on my studies as I plan to return to college this Summer. Before I do though, I really needed to get this video off my chest. To all of my followers, you guys rock! ^_^
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Update: As you can see, I’ve changed my username because of all the harassment I’ve been receiving for being a Sonic fan. I hope you Mario fuckboys are fucking happy now. You losers called me racial slurs, insulted me for being on the spectrum, said that I have a mental problem, told me to go kill myself, and called me every name in the book. Should you Mario fucktards imply that I’m stupid yet I won scholarships to study abroad in Japan and graduate from college with a bachelors degree in business administration; information systems. Meanwhile, you subhuman twats think that “winning debates” online makes you smart or something, you people are fucking PATHETIC! And I bet all you losers in this Mario Cult have probably never even touched a girl in your life. And to think I made this channel to showcase my love for video games and anime, but it ended up destroying it instead as this Mario vs Sonic bullshit blew up on my channel, which has caused me to question my life and put me on a spiritual journey which you can see on my alt channel. To all you Mario fanboys who have harassed me just for saying sonic should’ve won, you need to grow the fuck up you fucking losers! kzbin.info/aero/PLH2ZBhhbKJnlGIBsYDzSxIj5CgfjoVA30&si=Oqcf5suZd7GCH5bK

[@davidbrown4647]

Geez, as a Mario fan myself, I am absolutely disgusted to see these Mario fanboys fuck up your mental health just for giving an opinion. Even though I think Mario beats Sonic, nobody should harass someone for having an opinion.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@davidbrown4647 Thank you for your kind words. I have no problem if people think that Mario should win, but when Mario fans go to harass Sonic fans just for having a different opinion, and act like they’re superior to Sonic fans, that’s not right. Back in 2018, I made a live-reaction to this Death Battle and said I think Sonic should have won and all Hell broke lose. It became my most watched video and I was bombarded with hate comments and down votes, but yet these losers won’t bother to watch my Mario Odyssey playthrough!

[@davidbrown4647]

@@faithful_otaku7339 Also, you said that you went to Japan, right? Man you are so fucking lucky. I would like to visit that place one day, but I probably should study the language first though. I don’t know if Japanese people are friendly to people that don’t speak the language.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@davidbrown4647 Yes, the Japanese are definitely more friendly to foreigners who put in the effort to learn their language. Japan is a wonderful and beautiful country, I highly recommend visiting. I heard it’s not necessary to learn Japanese if you visit a big city like Tokyo, though.

[@1ario15]

@@faithful_otaku7339 You know Mario can just punch him out of the super form, since knuckles can do the same and the titan in Sonic frontiers, and I see your being biased and downplaying Mario

[@phantomblue2798]

ScrewAttack!: Claims that Mario is too durable for Sonic. Sonic beats Shadow from time and time again who is canonly bulletproof, Whereas it is not said that Mario is. ScrewAttack!: Claims that Mario would eventually hit Sonic. Not even Spider-Man’s spider sense can help him predict Quicksilver’s attacks, who just so happens to be speed of sound. Has Miyamoto ever stated that Mario has speed of sound reflexes? Do I really need to go on?

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Mr. Cool And don’t forget that Mario’s ftl feats are inconsistent as seen with him failing to dodge Bowser’s hat in the opening of Odyssey causing him to fall off the ship. And Sonic being durable enough to survive a nuclear explosion and the destruction of a Planet-Sized Metarex seed which was stated to be able to wipe out the universe in Sonic X, and an unconscious Sonic survived the end of the universe in Sonic 06. And also ScrewAttack, why didn’t Sonic boost? You realize when Sonic is boosting he’s able to kick giant mechs like a soccer ball.

[@cloudlink2810]

Otaku_Hedgehog Mario falling is an outlier actually

[@cloudlink2810]

I’m pretty sure mario is tough enough to take bullets. Bullets aren’t even powerful to enough to destroy buildings

[@electric_creeper]

@Jacob Underwood 1. Knuckles has a connection with the Master Emerald, making him able to strip Sonic out of his Super Form, and Sonic was still new to his Super Form then. 2. The goomba and beetle thing is a *GAME MECHANIC*. It doesn't say the real power of the characters.

[@marcussilos3025]

I’m a sonic fan, and think sonic slams Mario, but Mario can react that fast. In odyssey, Mario can turn into a bolt of electricity, which is close to speed of light, in galaxy he uses airships and star canon things to launch himself to different planets, and it’s been said that those airships and star launcher things are faster than light

[@spincycle6724]

I'm glad someone managed to point out the unfair bias nice work man.

[@DjBerry-lq9gm]

Love your videos man keep up the good work 👍👍

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Thank you :)

[@DICEBOY22]

This was honestly the best debunk on this fight I've seen, great GREAT JOB!!!

[@faithful_otaku7339]

TGundamSamurai thank you 😊

[@kevincook3551]

17:30 Holy shit! I didn't even know he did that. Another case you should have mentioned is in Sonic CD(in one of the endings) when Sonic threw a rock at Dr Eggman so hard his eggmobile exploded.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Kevin Cook oh yeah that is a good feat for Sonic that I forgot to mention!

[@isthisagoodusername9764]

Not just that but that was his 2nd adventure (we know cause Tails wasn't there) when he was only 14 and he did THAT

[@raimyonlinewarrior236]

@@isthisagoodusername9764 and we saw how much stronger sonic has gotten in generations with the perfect chaos fight where he doesn't need the chaos emeralds to beat him.

[@SonicTheHedgehog-ur3pi]

@@raimyonlinewarrior236 I mean of course I'm the fastest thing alive for crying out loud

[@raimyonlinewarrior236]

@@SonicTheHedgehog-ur3pi you totally should've won this.

[@speedguy8637]

The intro of Sonic Adventure shows him going warp speed from Sonic’s POV and in Shadow’s debut, Sonic matches Shadow’s chaos control warp and even remarked “he must be using the Chaos Emerald to warp”, how would Sonic recognize such speed or react to Shadow’s Chaos Control if he didnt have experience with such speed. They use the trophy description to say Super Sonic is nearly FTL , that’s honestly laughable because they put Shadow at FTL in both of their previous videos.

[@SansINess53]

At the start sonic mocks mario and then he gets suddenly nerfed mid battle and oh boi when he turns to hyper his power decreases for no reason

[@lycantubeves5992]

Yeah, I'm a Mario fan, and I can confirm that everything in that battle was scripted and made to let Mario win. But they did that because "Money"

[@SansINess53]

@@lycantubeves5992 tbh mario is physically stronger but idk why everyone thinks sonic is predictable and not fast enough to handle mario.

[@lycantubeves5992]

@@SansINess53 yeah, you're right. But don't forget, they did this to get more views, and it worked, just look at how many people keeps commenting here, they are doing a lot of money... Genius lmao

[@Blasttheboi]

Also forgot to mention that sonic becomes pure Energy in his wisp form. Mario can’t scratch him away

[@riber1237]

wow the best debunk that i see

[@faithful_otaku7339]

RIBER 123 Aw thank you 😊

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

1:27:20 I’ve dealt with this pain and even worse and it only made stronger, I so sorry that you had to deal with this dude.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Assassinrage 72 Thank you for your kind words. I’m sorry that you had to go through this too, I hope things get better for you. :(

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

Otaku_Hedgehog thanks:)

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

Otaku_Hedgehog to relief the pain I listen to rock, heavy metal and a bit of rap like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnXYanSPZpqZh6s

[@YourPalAlGaming]

Good video! I don't understand the mario/sonic beef!? That said, good video and channel looks great! I will definitely check out some other videos!

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Thank you so much! ^_^

[@yona3271]

if mario can lift up a small castle it would be mostly lower than 100 kilotons

[@The_Archiest_mf_In_Town]

-Mario surviving the destruction of the universe and surviving black holes and surviving existence getting reset:🗿 -Mario Shattering the dream stone with just a punch which has countless of Universes:🗿 -Mario Traveling to galaxies and solar systems in seconds:🗿 -Mario Fighting 13 Dimensional Beings and transcending the boundaries of space - time and dimensions and including dimensionless dimensions:🗿 (No hate)

[@Deidecosta822]

Prove, você poderia mostrar onde cada acontecimento se encaixa. Pois de tudo que já joguei, pesquisei e sei de Mario, ele não passa de multversal. 2-B é a base de todo verso de Mario, deixa de ser idiota e para de usar Reddit.

[@rayankhan5870]

*overplaying mario*

[@The_Archiest_mf_In_Town]

@@rayankhan5870 Sonictard be like:

[@rayankhan5870]

@@The_Archiest_mf_In_Town mario stans be like:

[@A_literal_supernova]

-Fodder feats🗿

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Post Upload Notes: 52:20 In regards to the whole "Sonic can't use chaos control to freeze time" thing, Sonic probably could stop time with chaos control if he really wanted to, he just doesn't want to because Sonic prefers to do things his own way unless absolutely necessary. He probably doesn't even like having to use the chaos emeralds to turn into Super Sonic either as I can imagine he'd have much more fun running than flying. And from a character design standpoint, it wouldn’t make much sense for Sonic to use chaos control all the time because then that would make Shadow’s character look redundant. Shadow is known for using chaos control not Sonic. Sonic has the ability to use chaos control, he’d just prefer not to unless he has no other choice. And aside from that, Sonic is able to stop time with the Cyan Wisp in Sonic Colors in addition to PERMANENTLY slowing down time in 06 with the red gem. 58:42 *Sonic wouldn’t have much space to run here. 1:01:20 For those who want to argue that Mario surviving a black hole in Mario Party is canon. That gives me the right to argue that Super Sonic has no time-limit because of games like Sonic R and Sonic Shuffle. 1:12:32 The emeralds do not scatter after Sonic transforms into Super/Hyper, it can be assumed that he chooses to scatter them himself at the end of most of his games because it’s too dangerous to keep all of them in one place. Sonic 2, 3, Rush Adventure, Advance, and Unleashed all prove this. At the end of Sonic 2 good ending, Sonic has all 7 chaos emeralds and flies down to Earth, in the beginning of Sonic 3, he still has those same emeralds. At the end of Sonic Advance, Super Sonic fights Eggman on the moon. After the fight, Super Sonic appears returning to Earth, we can assume that A) His Super form expired at one point but Sonic was still able to hang onto the emeralds and find more rings later. Or B) that Sonic’s form lasted for a few days (either possibility goes to show how much Death Battle downplayed Hyper Sonic). At the end of Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow chaos controls to Space Colony Arc to destroy the Black Comet. We then see him in the next scene there in his base form. He had to detached himself from the emeralds to use the Eclipse Cannon and then use them to chaos control himself back to Earth off-screen. And lastly, at the end of Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic and Tails use the emeralds to get back home right after the Super Sonic fight, thus again proving that Sonic can still be in possession of the emeralds after going Super. And he even has the emeralds at the start of his next game, Sonic Unleashed. So Sonic could have used chaos control while he and Mario were falling. Chaos and G-merl also use the emeralds to transform but they do not scatter, they are still there for Sonic to use as well, so the chaos emeralds don’t lose their power after they are used either. And again, the whole 50-second time limit is only a game mechanic and can be extended with more rings anyway. 1:34:07 If people tell me to just ignore all the Sonic hate, does that give me the right to start hating on Mario fans and tell them if I hurt their feelings to just ignore me? /: -Also in regards to the whole black hole thing. Screw Attack fails to realize that the Black Hole that Sonic tried to outrun is no ordinary Black Hole. Black Holes the size of a nickel have the power bend light. This Black Hole was continuously growing at a rapid pace reaching a gravitational pull of infinity. It would have went on to destroy the entire galaxy if the wisps didn’t stop it. So Death Battle downplaying Sonic’s speed to this Super Black Hole is not a fair assessment of Sonic’s speed. -Also, If we’re going to assume that Mario and friends can tank a giant blast in the Mario Tennis Opening. Then it’s only fair to assume that Sonic and friends can tank a universal erasing attack as seen in Sonic 06 when Solaris first appears. -Also, Super Sonic was never stated to have a time-limit in story canon. The 50-second time limit (which can be extended with more rings btw) is purely a game-mechanic. The only time that Sonic was forced out of his Super Form in story canon was at the end of Sonic Advance 2 and Unleashed. At the end of Advance 2, Sonic was forced out of his Super Form because he was focusing on protecting Vanilla the Rabbit while taking all the burning force (that Mario can’t match), of falling to Earth to protect her. He used himself as a human (hedgehog) shield to protect her which forced him out of the Super Form. As for Unleashed, Sonic was fighting against a God that can move continents. Need I say more? Mario is nowhere near God level ok. Mario couldn’t even handle taking a cannonball to the face in Brawl, so there’s no way that Mario could knock Sonic out of his Super Form! -The Black Hole at the end of Sonic Colors was no ordinary black hole hole, it was powered from the energy of the nega-wisps, so it’s not fair to use DB’s calculations based off of a regular black hole. Sonic has been clocked at 9x the speed of light so the gravitational pull of the black hole at the end of Sonic Colors must have been over 9x light speed. In addition, the end of Sonic Colors proves that Sonic is durable enough to survive a black hole, true the wisps pulled him out, but we don’t know how long he was in there for before the wisps rescued him. Besides, Super Sonic has been able to outrun black holes in Sonic Rush anyway. And isn’t it funny how DB took the ending of Sonic Colors, a nearly decade old game to downplay Sonic’s speed but completely ignore the opening of the recently released Mario Odyssey where Mario fails to react to Bowser’s hat this disproving Mario’s ftl feat. All in all, they just had Mario win so they can make their inevitable 3rd fight. You know what they say, money talks. By them making a rematch where the previous winner loses, this opens up the gates for endless DeathBattle rematches to be made with less effort put into research. Despite that, they’ll end up getting more views and hits than some random DeathBattle with characters that people don’t really care about. Just look at the Superman vs Goku rematch, it got a crap ton more views than the DeathBattle before it! Goku vs Superman 2 aired on 7/18/15 and currently has 18M views. Darth Vader vs Doctor Doom aired on 7/1/15 and has only 8.5M views. So the rematched fight despite airing later than the other fight got over twice as many views! Having Sonic as a scapegoat in order to cash-in on rematch fights is a brilliant financial strategy for Screw Attack. Especially now that the Screw Attack website is dead, Death Battle is the only thing they have going for them now. They couldn’t do this after the Goku vs Superman 2 fight because Superman won twice. Not to mention they were trolling the anime community at the time. But by having Sonic lose, this gives future potential rematches the factor of unpredictability. DeathBattle has been going on for over 7 years, they’re obviously running out of iconic attention grabbing characters to use at this point. So the obvious solution is to go back and remake old fights in addition to new fights. Creators of all sorts of media go back and remake old content all the time when they’re out of ideas, just look at the 2018 Halloween movie.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Phoenix Mason Thank you for your respectful comment. Though I did want to say the black hole that Bowser pulled himself out of was small and weak. If it was a real black hole then it would have disintegrated the planet. The black hole at the end of Sonic Colors would have completely engulfed Bowser as it was increasing at an unstable rate. And speaking of the end of Colors, I wanted to mention that DB using that as a measure of Sonic’s speed is unfair as it’s outdated material because we can see Sonic traverse dimensions simply by running in Sonic Forces. I’ve even seen Mario fanboys argue that Bowser is faster than Sonic because he could outrun a small black hole, Bowser would not have been able to outrun or pull himself out of the black hole at the end of Sonic Colors though. Not to mention that Mario’s ftl feats are inconsistent as we see him unable to react to Bowser’s thrown hat at the opening of Odyssey which knocked him off Bowser’s battleship so Mario being able to react to Sonic’s speed is completely untrue. Also both Sonic and Eggman’s machinery have been able to survive black holes and the molten surface of a planet’s core as seen in Sonic Colors and Sonic Rush Adventure so Sonic’s durability and power does rival Mario’s. Speaking of power, DB used a gag to measure Mario’s power to pick up a castle and kicking it away. Ok, Sonic can’t pick up a castle but he certainly has the power to destroy castles, fortresses, or spaceships as seen in Sonic Heroes and the opening of Sonic Unleashed.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Phoenix Mason The thing is about the whole Bowser surviving a a black hole thing. This is Mario! No one dies in the Mario universe. Sure Bowser “survived” it but he was still unable to fight after being sucked up in it. For all we know, Bowser may have been in critical condition off-screen and needed time to recover before the next game started. Eggman was sucked into the black hole thing (Death Battle treated it as a black hole in their calculations so I’m going to do the same) inside his Egg-Mobile and survived just fine while Sonic destroys his Egg-Mobile on a daily basis. So by DB’s logic I can say Eggman’s machinery is durable enough to survive black holes making Sonic a black hole buster. I never said Sonic survived a black hole in Sonic Rush Adventure. I said that Sonic and Eggman’s machinery were able to survive the molten core of a planet making their durability again comparable to Mario and Bowser’s. Especially when considering the small size of the Sun in the Mario Galaxy games and the fact that the planet’s core that Sonic and Eggman fought in was an enclosed space raising the temperature even further. And Super/Hyper Sonic can survive in lava, Mario with a Starman cannot. And Sonic has been seen able to destroy fortresses in Sonic X without any weapons and can traverse dimensions in his Super form. DB Said themselves that Sonic X is considered closely tied media and used it in the Death Battle. And in Sonic Forces we see Sonic move so fast that he was able to traverse dimensions just by running in his base form. So the whole “Sonic can’t outrun black hole” thing was outdated material anyway. Meanwhile in the same year, we have Mario Odyssey where we see that Mario is unable to react to a thrown hat by Bowser knocking him off the battleship. So there’s absolutely no way that Mario should be able to react to Sonic.

[@sunkaiju45]

@Phoenix Mason You cant get durability from black holes actually. Is very stupid.

[@dyland1842]

@Mario and Sonic fan 1: smash bros isn't canon to any series but its own. But if you want to include it then I can say that sonic does way more damage than mario since he's the only one who can damage tabuu.

[@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday]

If I made an animation to this it would be like this for the fight in Sonic vs Mario it should've started like this Peach and Mario chill Sonic comes to Mario "hey want to see who uuuhhhh is the strongest" Mario says "why" Sonic then says "well some of our fans are Toxic" Mario then says "ok I guess we can do that" and then the battle starts as Sonic runs to Mario and punches him and then Mario gets up and Sonic says "Ok your turn Mario" as then Mario uses his Ice Power Up and as then he shoots the projectiles and Sonic dodges all projectiles but one and then Freezes then Mario punches the ice Sonic says "not bad now try to keep up" then Sonic Spindashes and Mario some how avoided the attack as then Mario shoots more as then Sonic uses the Bubble Shield and then after he shot a ton of projectiles he then punches him and the shield goes down and he uses the Fire Flower as then Sonic Grabbed a Wisp and uses the Burst Wisp and then Mario Shot the Fire Projectiles and then gets smacked and then Mario says "well ain't this Familiar I feel like something as Downplayed and Lowballed us...hmm probably nothing" as then he got the Cat bell and four clones and then Sonic uses his boost on two of the clones and the other two with the Homing attack as then hits the real Mario as then he stacked about 3 power ups the White Tinooki Invincibility Star and the Cap as also an Addition of a Ice Flower as then Sonic becomes his Super Form and then Mario Froze Sonic and Smacked him as then Sonic uses his boost kicked him as then Mario threw a bunch of Fists as then Mario Says "not bad Plumber" as then they heads as the sky darkened Peach still cheers for Mario and then Sonic uses a boost and then Mario falls to the ground and all power ups turned off of Mario and then Sonic lands back down and turns back into his base form and says"not bad Mario maybe I can teach you how I can fight" but then Bowser kidnaps Peach and then Sonic and Mario travel together and when Bowser became his Bowser Godslayer form then Mario gets that golden bell and then Sonic turns super and they fight him to the death and Mario then punches Bowser 4×s as then slapped Mario away and then Sonic says "I'll Distract him you go and attack him" as then Sonic goes Close to Bowser and Starts insulting him as Mario then Mario Picks up one of the spikes and throws it at Bowser knocking him over as then Sonic grabs Mario and tosses him at Bowser and then when he lands Bowser coughs out the Black paint and punches Mario and he uses his flame attack as then Sonic blocks the attack and Mario stands back up and he punches Bowser hard enough for him to get back and then he gets the side on his Shell and charges the attack spinning towards then as then Mario Rolls away and then Bowser Leaps upon them and misses giving Sonic the Chance to Boost into him as then he was then defeated at this point as then after that Giga Bowser comes back and takes the Emeralds out of nowhere and the Giga bells and then they fight Giga Bowser as the most Epic fight in the Series as then they run onto the platform as when Mario was about to get blasted Sonic saves Mario and then Sonic Brought the Power Ups and Mario gets the Cat Bell and Fire Flower and Sonic uses his Bubble Shield and the Giant Mouth Wisp as I have forgotten the name and then Mario Gives Sonic a Fire Flower as he says "here take this it might help us out"and then Mario shoots his Fire balls at Giga Bowser and then Sonic goes and chomps Bowser hurting him by slot as then he flew away and Bowser roars and then Mario dodged the Spikes and Fire Blast and Mario says "we need to finish him off now" and then Sonic comes by and Bowser was about to blast them but then they shot flames at him as they charged the Fire beams as they hit the Fire beam of Bowser and then Mario says "we need more power" and then gave Sonic a Electric Shield as he then attracts a bunch of Rings then Sonic and Mario say "Eat this" and then Mario adds "le Bowser" and then the Flame beam went into Bowsers mouth as he is tired and then Sonic charges his Homing attack and Mario shoots Fire and Ice at Sonic and Sonic then says "Mario come on I need you" then Mario takes his hand and they become a ball as then when they were about to hit Bowser they bring their fists as Sonics fist was covered in ice and Mario's and was covered in Fire as then their fists stricken and a Blast of Fire and Ice appeared and Bowser then roared and then Bowser turns back into his base form as then Mario and Sonic go back to the platform and the Cage where Peach was imprisoned drops to the ground as then Mario was about to be crushed and he saves Mario to keep him and Peach safe Mario then says "Peach" as then Peach kissed him on the head as then one of the Koopas activates the bomb and there is then a count and Some uses Chaos Control onto Mario and Peach and they escaped the planet and then Sonic awaits his Death as Bowser turns back into his normal form and Bowser says "so this is how it ends to me as a Greedy King I wish I could see Bowser Jr again...What have I done" as then the explosion of the planet happens referencing the one Cutscene in Mario Galaxy which is the Super Nova and Black Hole however Bowser is actually alive because of Chaos Control however he was too weak to Teleport himself and he died from the explosion all that is left of Sonic is Calibur and the Emeralds and a note from Sonic however I'll let your imagination make whatever the note says and then Mario goes and takes the oath of Chivalry and also gets the Emeralds as well *also there really isn't a winner* That's where it ends I respect all the characters and I thought this is the Best Ending because soon Mario would learn the stuff of Sonic and he will then be good as well I think this is best inclusion also this explosion Sonic was in it was inescapable and this one can kill Sonic but before he did die he teleported Bowser with the stuff I mentioned and he did not notice as well hope you like the thing I made

[@marcussilos3025]

Bro roasted every discord mod in a single description

[@yona3271]

fun fact in sometimes super and hyper can be stackable with lightening sheild

[@yam9195]

1:00:59 In Sonic Rush, he can also create tornados in space when playing as Blaze in Blaze's story.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Yeah, I remember that.

[@speedguy8637]

32:25 They claim that Sonic is pushing his speed to his limit yet this was right after the final boss and he wasn’t even using the Sonic Boost.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Speed Guy Yeah and they fail to take into account that the platform that Sonic was running on was breaking apart, and that Sonic was already in the gravitational pull before he even started running in the cutscene so his speed was already cut /:

[@lbptails2683]

@@faithful_otaku7339 i know i'm very late in this but if you look up sonic lost world final boss on 3ds eggman throws a star at sonic and it turns into a blackhole and sonic can outrun this blackhole before it disappears

[@faithful_otaku7339]

LBP tails gamebreaker Thanks I’ll check it out :)

[@justjosh9353]

I’m super late but it’s stated in guide that in base he can run light speed without the use of light speed dash in the 2014 bio about the series...even in gameplay recently it shows because in sonic adventure and sonic adventure 2 in was faster than Sonics running speed but now it’s slower. They take a smash brothers description of super sonic to debunk it but when has smash brothers be canon? Did they ever work on a sonic game...many of Mario fears they mention contradict other and are outliers...but noo lets have this one non canon statement for super sonic debunk Sonics actual speed but not Mario. Even omega, one of the smartest beings even stated in sonic colors that sonic surpasses light speed in base..Bias towards sonic imo

[@justjosh9353]

But Hey Ben is a sonic fan?? Imo idk if he is or not because he clearly downplayed the hell out of the sonic franchise and just because he reads the comics doesn’t mean he’s a fan..hey I read the dc comics..doesn’t mean I’m a fan. I think he does that to hide from the hate and criticism from sonic fans so people can say oH YoUr HaTInG SoNIc FaNBOy!! Ben is a sonic fan and sonic lost so you have to agree with the outcome. I don’t see him being a sonic fan because of the countless times they downplay sonic. He just claims that. I take it with a grain of salt, especially after this battle. I don’t think that they do the research they have teams to do that for them so idk y ppl are saying Ben is a sonic fan and if sonic lost then he for sure losses. If he doesn’t do the research then don’t say that line like he did the research. I am blaming the researcher for messing with sonic and downplaying him..this is y I don’t watch them anymore...smh

[@marcussilos3025]

Sonic has been shown to run faster than light speed dash in unleashed and in gen, so he does run faster than light, he also almost ran faster than a black hole when he was weak, and it has been said before that he runs past the time barrier before, which is why he runs fast enough to go back in time, as seen in cd and in mania

[@Max-Rtpmp]

1:22:10 I don't think so because Sonic has also the light speed attack which is I guess an attack at light speed and he's perfectly fine after it

[@electric_creeper]

He was also able to survive the inside of a black hole.

[@Gabriel-zy7ee]

@@electric_creeper He had the wisp to save him.

[@electric_creeper]

@@Gabriel-zy7ee Yeah but before the wisps even rescued him his body was strong enough not to be destroyed by black hole pressure

[@Gabriel-zy7ee]

@@electric_creeper I mean that is true. Even for a fake black hole that is very impressive.

[@yona3271]

we need a sonic maker from sega so some people who can make actually good levels can make the game cool

[@StarForce99]

I'm glad I "wasted" an hour and a half on this debunk. I put quotes around the word "wasted" cause I don't wanna sound mean or anything since I really did like the effort and amount of research put into this. Great job my dude! And if possible, wanna chat sometime? Maybe on Discord or something?

[@faithful_otaku7339]

CorgiWithAnOrgy Aw thank you for your comment. 😊 I have a Discord but tbh I don’t use that much since I’m busy with school work atm. But you can try to get my attention there or on my other social media and I’ll try to respond when I get a chance. :)

[@StarForce99]

@@faithful_otaku7339 Well let's try Discord and another social media platform that's not Twitter (for banning reasons)

[@faithful_otaku7339]

CorgiWithAnOrgy Ok shoot me a message on Discord and I’ll try to respond when I get a chance. I’m busy studying at the moment so I won’t be able to respond until a few hours.

[@StarForce99]

@@faithful_otaku7339 Where's your username?

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@StarForce99 Otaku_Hedgehog#0291

[@yona3271]

sonic's invisbility sheild death battle : fuck it make it a bubble sheild only

[@cdman4724]

You definitely worked really hard on this....and I’ve got to say great job! I really agree with most of the stuff you said in this, I don’t really think the animation really matters though, it’s really just for entertainment. And yes Sonic x isn’t cannon, but then again since Mario got research from cartoon shows and spinoffs, I guess is ok to use Sonic X 😂

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Blue Whirl Sonic Thank you 😊 Yeah I used Sonic X feats because DB used non-video game feats for Mario, but I made sure the Sonic X feats were also supported by the game feats so that it’s a fair analysis.

[@badgerbadski6398]

IT isn't. YOu shouldn't use non-canon sources just because someone else did.

[@milamaxwell1731]

If sonic x isnt cannon nether is sa2 or sA for that matter and sa2 is very cannon

[@infern24]

@@milamaxwell1731 exactly, for goodness sake sonic x is based off the games as a anime tie in for sonic adventure dx when it released, its really stupid how everyone always disregards this. heck there's even a sonic x poster in station square....

[@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday]

Yeah and other people keep saying 06 is not Canon that's an lazy excuse

[@silenttera666]

You have my full support friend. You actually remind me of myself a little, because I am also a Sonic fan and I grew up moving into different places with not many friends. Hope you become a great game designer. I would also like to point out that there was no point to measure Sonic's speed in Sonic Unleashed, because he was not moving at this speed. Not because cannot reach it, but because he chooses NOT to. Sonic has a deep love for the environment, if he were to move at his true (which Omega pointed out that Sonic can move at light speeds), he would destroy everything around by PURE accident with the sonic boom. Also your analysis on Super and Hyper Sonic are still not as close as powerful as really is. Super Sonic has fought both Solaris (a fourth-dimensional being that lives in the past, present, and future, and can other dimensions for lunch. This was said the man with an IQ if over 300), and Dark Gaia (while on it's awakened state, Dark Gaia's very was powerful enough to permanently shut down the chaos emeralds), and they are the only beings out of ALL of the Super Sonic final bosses to have hurt THE Super Sonic. In addition, in Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure, Super Sonic with Blazing Blaze have fought the Egg Salamander (with the power of the sol emeralds), and the Egg Wizard (with the power of the Jeweled Sceptre) . Both Eggman and Eggman Mega had the goal of combining Sonic's and Blaze's dimensions. This puts their machines possibly multi-universal, meaning Super Sonic and Blazing Blaze are definitely multi-universal when put together. In conclusion, they have downplayed both Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic 👿. Just like what they did with Ben Tennyson and Alien X. Sorry if this comment is REALLY, but I had to include other feats that Death Battle ignored. Another thing, the super star does not grant Mario complete invulnerability, as he cannot survive in lava, or just running into Bowser (it has happened if I remembered), and in Super Mario Galaxy games, the main reason why Mario held his own against Bowser and other bosses, is because he had LUMA's POWERS! So Death Battle, please don't be a sheep. If you are going to continue, get the characters right. Well gotta go. Catch you later. TatsuiTev4, out. ✌️

[@splegoon4289]

Tatsuitev4 from simply looking at the games Mario DEFINITELY can't handle lava even with "invincibility"

[@Gabriel-zy7ee]

Salt

[@AdamSelvig]

I only disagree on saying super and hyper sonic are power ups because it’s not a physical item it has to be something like what Mario uses

[@joeda900]

If this was a DBX or 1 minute melee, I would understand (Since it doesn't apply to research but more about who people wants to win)

[@dravensanders6157]

I'm surprised he didn't bring up them downplaying Solaris.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

I didn't think about bringing up Solaris at the time. I do talk about him a little bit in my follow-up video though: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZPVk2etZpifgck

[@latroyjohnson7848]

I also don’t like how Mario beating Bowser makes him universal level just because Bowser survived a black yet Sonic is not universal level for beating Solaris who is way stronger than Bowser

[@electric_creeper]

@@latroyjohnson7848 Yeah, Solaris completely transcends the planes of existence, wrecked every universe and timeline, shattered reality itself, and ate dimensions for lunch.

[@yona3271]

and donkey destroyed knuckles with no reason how since knuckles actually turned off a planet buster guy in s3&k and they just forget it and made it like that

[@SansINess53]

The true fight should become mario vs Archie sonic due to how death battle buffed mario so bad

[@yona3271]

sonic adventure has this light enemy chain that sonic uses but doesn't use since he was nerfed

[@FengTheSlayer]

About Sonic’s top speed, it was explained by Omega (the smartest and powerful robot in the world) in colors DS (being more canon than the Wii version) that Sonic’s top speed is near the rate of the speed of sound. Ik this video is old but just want it to put it out their

[@electromagneticpsychopath4973]

Actually he said he could exceed light speed and sonic replied "light speed? That's small time. There's no challenge."

[@soraiiro_]

In Sonic generations, Sonic has the speed to bring life to a universe just by running, that is FAR faster than the speed of light. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3uanod7rs-VY80

[@maxdavis8705]

Thanks for the video but quick question what about the white tanoki

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Max Davis White Tanooki can’t survive in lava while Super/Hyper Sonic can so Super/Hyper Sonic is more durable than the White Tanooki.

[@maxdavis8705]

But isn't that part of the game like if you jump off any cliff you die same as sonic

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Max Davis True that’s a game mechanic, but we have to use game mechanics in Mario’s case because there’s no other material to reference. We have seen in cutscenes that Sonic can survive being crushed (ref: Generations) and Super Sonic can fly at will (ref: just about any game) and Super Sonic can survive volcanic environments (ref: Rush Adventure, Unleashed) so these scenes debunk his deaths due to game mechanics. And DB stated that they reference cutscenes over game mechanics. Unless someone can provide me with a cutscene where the White Tanooki suit can survive lava then Super Sonic still trumps it. And despite that, Mario can still separated from the suit because it’s just a costume, Mario would have no way to separate Sonic from the chaos emeralds though.

[@speedguy8637]

The whole Stardiver thing is a joke, they use a mini game as a basis of canon where any character can pull of the same feat and possess equal stats 🤦‍♂️

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Speed Guy Exactly, and their speed calculation doesn’t even match light-speed

[@joshtomschin9151]

While I agree death battle's research was terrible, I cant see how sonic wins

[@boomprower]

I remember this video!

[@mritachirulz]

Excuse me sir when has master chief ever had a stamina bar

[@faithful_otaku7339]

?

[@zpcarchives]

Mario getting captured in Luigis mansion is just part of the story, I really think you overthink stuff anyway good debunk

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Joe Vids Thank you for your comment. Yes I know Mario getting kidnapped is just part of the story but so is Sonic not outrunning the black hole at the end of Sonic Colors which was purely meant to show Sonic’s friendship with the Wisps. DB used that story element to downplay Sonic so it’s fair for me to use a story element of Luigi’s Mansion to downplay Mario.

[@zpcarchives]

Otaku_Hedgehog ok, thanks for your response

[@madkingultra4309]

1a

[@ryuquaza]

and when mario ripped off his clothes he somehow got more on

[@zpcarchives]

No, he was wearing a costume over his overalls

[@SansINess53]

Meaning the time stones existed from sonic 1 since you couldn't use super form that makes sense

[@manuelkingue5249]

no the time stones sound good in cd in sonic 1 it's said and it's shown are the chaos emerald it's just that there was the 7th that was lost and found in sonic 2

[@YinyoYX]

51:38 Sonic does actually have stamina although it is very high. In the Metal Virus Arc Sonic is show to get tired from running.

[@Hedgee_]

Could we talk one day? I also am a sonic fan boy with Asperger's and when you said "Autism" I lighted up. You sound like a good guy.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

creative hedgehogs Sure, I love chatting with Sonic fans. 😊

[@Rosie_Cozy]

I think some sonic games are good but I’m more of a Mario fan

[@Hedgee_]

@@Rosie_Cozy and that's fine. In fact mario introduced me to sonic.

[@badgerbadski6398]

​@@Rosie_Cozy I love how otaku hearts comments that completly support him, when yet someone says they like mario and he respects otaku's opinion he ignores them. Apparently it's ok for otaku to dislike something, but when someone disagrees, nah forget their opinion. You we're clearly being respectful. No offense otaku. Just saying.

[@badgerbadski6398]

@@LUNA-zn7ep I don't see any but ok.

[@MikeXeno365]

7:12 because everyone in Smash is a toy/trophy not the actual characters meaning they're not as strong as the real versions

[@faithful_otaku7339]

MikeXeno Yeah I know, but DeathBattle used the Super Sonic trophy in Smash Bros to downplay Sonic so it was only fair for me to bring up Smash Bros feats with other characters. And Donkey Kong was still unable to get out of a simple rope tie in Donkey Kong Country 2.

[@gameappreciation]

32:06 Actually, this is a completly fair assessment, you see with black holes even light cannot escape it as they get sucked into it. But Sonic being able to move away from the black hole instead of being sucked in proves beyond doubt that he is faster than light in base, and this is without any choas emeralds, boost or spin dash.

[@shardsoftime0952]

Also hyper sonic could have used😂chaos controls back to earth before his rings ended

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

@Otaku_Hedgehog did you know there’s an official music video for Silver’s theme Dreams of an Absolution by Bentley Jones

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Yeah I saw it ^_^

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

So have you seen this link I gave you before kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIncmaZvra6hoc0

[@faithful_otaku7339]

jason carreon I used SSB because DB used SSB to downplay Super Sonic’s speed. Not that it matters though because there are other instances that disprove Mario’s false ftl feats such as him failing to react to a flood of water in Mario RPG, failing to react to a simple Magikoopa’s attack in the opening of Mario Galaxy, or failing to react to a hat A HAT thrown by Bowser in the opening of Mario Odyssey knocking him off the ship. Mario can react to Sonic’s speed but he can’t react to a simple thrown hat? Wow nice logic DB. As for the lifting and kicking a castle thing, please explain to me why if Mario can really do the so effortlessly, why haven’t we seen him do it again in almost the past 30 years since the release of SMW? Oh I know why, because it was a one-time gag! The castle was even chibified and in one of those cutscenes Mario even paints the castle out of existence, how can you take that seriously? The sad thing is, if Sonic did something like that DB would just consider it an outlier like how they ignorantly dismisses the fact that Super Sonic’s form lasted for days in the ending of Sonic Advance. The whole idea of even limiting Sonic to game canon just so Mario can win is stupid because Sonic is not just a video game character, he’s an entertainment icon. SEGA said themselves that they want the Sonic brand to grow beyond just games, that’s why he’s getting a live-action movie next year, that’s why he’s had multiples series of comic books spanning for nearly 3 decades, that’s why the Sonic Archie comics remain as the longest running video-game comic book series in the world, that’s why he’s had five different television shows on the air over the past 28 years, that’s why he’s given cameos in movies such Wreck-It-Ralph, that’s why *HE HAS A VOICE* the same cannot be said for Mario though. If we’re not using all continuities and feats from said characters and they aren't going all-out then it’s not a *DEATH BATTLE* the fact that they had to limit Sonic to a specific canon goes to show which character is stronger by default now doesn’t it? The only reason why Game-canon Mario has an edge over game-canon Sonic is because the Sonic games are more realistic than the Mario games. Sonic doesn’t need to rely on stupid gags and toon force for his feats unlike Mario. I’ve noticed in Death Battle that usually the characters with the less realistic universe win the battle which is one of the reasons why this show is so terrible. Looks at Kirby vs Buu Look you came off as rude calling my debunk which I worked really hard on as “Completely wrong and A waste of time watch” and I rightfully fired back at you. The funny thing is, a lot of you Nintendo fans who trash on my videos like Cortex are just stupid teenagers who have nothing uploaded to their channel because they lack the intelligence and money to even buy equipment to make videos. And yes I will say whatever I want about your fandom. It’s obvious that DB gave Mario the win just because he’s popular, to shut up the crying fanboys claiming that DB is biased towards Sonic just because the host grew up with Sonic, and to give them an excuse to make a Mario vs Sonic 3 in the future. Your fandom is disgusting and took this battle way to far. When I uploaded my live reaction to this fight, I had countless Mario fans crapping on me, I even had racial slurs thrown at me, I’ve even had Mario fans attack me for my autism! And I’ve seen you Mario fans on the DB video telling Sonic fans to go kill themselves and spouting other nonsense. A friend of mine who wrote up a debunk had a mental collapse after all the hate he got from you Mario jerks. I’ll say whatever I want about your rude fandom and your opening post just goes to prove my point of how toxic and ignorant Nintendo fans are! deathbattle.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SonicAnimeStar/My_Mario_vs_Sonic_(2018)_Debunk

[@electric_creeper]

@Phoenix Mason Don't say sorry for having autism, autistic people are smart as fuck.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Electricity Creeper Thanks buddy :)

[@electric_creeper]

@@faithful_otaku7339 I'm not even joking bro.

[@Gabriel-zy7ee]

@Phoenix Mason Odd? I've seen more Sonic fans doing that than Mario fans.

[@gameappreciation]

Fun fact, In sonic unleashed Sonics speed is actually measured in game. This spedomiter used SPD, and Sonics top speed is 3999 SPD. Or just a humble over 11 times the speed of light. (THIS IS BASE SONIC)

[@919X0]

The speedometer actually reaches 4399spd not 3999. So sonic is more than 12 times faster than the speed of light in base which is still impressive

[@T.H.C_OFFICIAL]

So with the stuff in this video is there any way Mario could beat Sonic? Also how are the Mario sports games non-canon?

[@isaiahthesleepyleafeon5896]

Because all of the sports games are spin-offs because you never see Donkey Kong in the main Mario games

[@retrofan4963]

@@isaiahthesleepyleafeon5896 You're right about that the sport games are spinoffs, but using Donkey Kong as a reason is invalid though. Mario and Donkey Kong have longtime history in the mainline Mario story since the beginning of the Donkey Kong Arcade games before Super Mario Bros and Donkey Kong Country takes off, so it's canon in the mainline that Mario and Donkey Kong do appear together as rivals. Even Super Mario Odyssey, a mainline 3D Mario game reference the existence of the Donkey Kong Arcade game in the mainline continuity.

[@raimyonlinewarrior236]

You also forgot to mention that when hit while using wisps it will not leave sonic's body in the game. Mario shouldn't even be able to knock wisps out of sonic.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Raimy onlinewarrior Oh yeah, that’s true too

[@badgerbadski6398]

I can totally agree. Sonic can not get his wisps knocked out of him. That was pretty dumb of deathbattle to do that. But he can't store his wisps like mario can with his powerups so yeah DB screwed up there too.

[@kkproductions7411]

Meow

[@silverpheonix43]

I will agree with you on that

[@ontosinabyss5950]

Same here, with all the many different times I've play Sonic Colours. Heck, he can even decided to keep the wisp inside him until the end of each stage. The only there's a time limit is when he decides to use it.

[@yuitoking]

This is a great debunk

[@faithful_otaku7339]

gamer king5 Thank you 😊

[@yuitoking]

@@faithful_otaku7339 do you know what power scaling is

[@faithful_otaku7339]

gamer king5 Yeah

[@yuitoking]

@@faithful_otaku7339 you should do more of that on your videos It'll probably make your video more faster the debunk is great but when people see that it's an hour long some people might turn away from it that's really the only problem I had with it other than that your good

[@yuitoking]

@@faithful_otaku7339 also how did you make your videos I tried to using a phone and if you checked my video out you'll see that you can barely hear me

[@SonicTheSpeedGod]

Finally someone cools me down Great video Thanks dude When I was watching this dead battle Me:wanted to kill Mario right now Also me:why am I so much of a hardcore fan?

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Thank you 😊

[@SonicTheSpeedGod]

@@faithful_otaku7339 bro you did a good job with this video

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@SonicTheSpeedGod Thank you, it makes me really happy to hear that. :)

[@lycantubeves5992]

BRUH! 1 AND A HALF HOUR!?!!?!!

[@faithful_otaku7339]

When you have a bunch of Mario fanboys calling you every name in the book including racial slurs and saying that I have a mental problem despite winning scholarships to Study Abroad in Japan and earning a Bachelor’s degree it really hurts and makes you want to prove to these assholes that you’re not dumb. So many people just assume that I’m dumb just because I’m a Sonic Fan and it really infuriates me especially consider all the accomplishments that I’ve had in my life. Meanwhile these Mario fuckboys have probably never even touched a girl in their life. Anyway, this debunk is outdated, I’ve made a video on my other channel with my updated thoughts and explaining how this Mario be Sonic drama has impacted my life. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKrUgndropdnitUsi=paNBpUWzmtPvMPeY

[@zpcarchives]

Dude, I think by ‘original games’ I don’t think they actually mean ‘original’ but all of the games

[@I-L0ve-sally-197]

1:04:53 another idea why doesn’t sonic just use the light speed attack to take out all the clones and damage mario in the process? He wouldn’t even be wasting rings for his super or hyper form

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Yeah another thing he could have done was just use his flash attack as Hyper Sonic to destroy Mario’s power-ups. Mario’s power-ups can’t survive in lava, while Hyper Sonic’s flash attack can destroy lava-resistant badniks.

[@I-L0ve-sally-197]

@@faithful_otaku7339 and another thing I think he should have done is use sonic wind the homing attack and sonic tornado but he didn’t

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@I-L0ve-sally-197 And most of all boosting. Sonic can easily compete with Mario in terms of power when he boosts but death battle ignored this. He could’ve also used time-break too and Mario would’ve been screwed. Death battle contradicted themselves by saying sonic has never used chaos control to stop time in canon but yet they brought up a non-canon power-up the stopwatch from Super Mario Bros 2. Edit: Oh actually the power-up returns in a few later games. Sonic could still steal it though with his incredible speed.

[@I-L0ve-sally-197]

@@faithful_otaku7339 also the clock from Mario only stops time for five seconds

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@I-L0ve-sally-197 I just realized, Mario has the stop watch but it doesn’t affect bosses so Sonic would be immune to it (by Death Battle’s own logic hence why they didn’t include Hyper Sonic’s flash attack in this fight) thus giving Sonic plenty of opportunities to kill Mario by stealing his power-ups or teleporting him into a pool of lava or crushing his body with a boost.

[@apollojustice9035]

1:02:20 I find that more of a coincidence he happened to hit sonic into the water X3 he hit 3 trees I doubt that was calculated.

[@terarrian9310]

You stated that all Mario FTL feats have been debunked, can you tell me what they are?

[@Random66860]

None of them are debunked, he just using anti feats

[@ryuquaza]

also in dk jr mario doesnt die he just gets knocked out i checked online too

[@faithful_otaku7339]

RYUQUAZA I thought he was originally intended to die in the arcade version, I guess I could be wrong.

[@undeadbatman9762]

You have my sub and respect. Also your voice sounds great for a talking/debunking video!

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Demon batman Aw thank you so much :)

[@undeadbatman9762]

Did you heard about the sonic hate going on in the smash bros community?

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Demon batman Yeah it’s ridiculous, I stay away from the Smash community, there’s always some drama going on.

[@undeadbatman9762]

Exactly.

[@undeadbatman9762]

@@faithful_otaku7339 So otaku isn't hyper sonic basically 7 super sonics? Because in s3&k the chaos emeralds get powered up from the master emerald so basically one super emerald= one super sonic? Can you also give the time stamp where you state that?

[@Pot809]

don't forget sonic punched evil refrigerator In sonic x and a refrigerator is 227 kg

[@speedguy8637]

Note, in the 2p battle mode of SA2, Sonic can stop time without an Emerald for up to 60 seconds.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Speed Guy Yeah they referenced that and said that it’s not canon though. Not that it matters because we see Sonic literally stop time for who knows how long in a Secret Rings cutscene. And he can permanently slow down time with the red gem from 06 and time freezes indefinitely Win Sonic uses the Cyan Wisp in Sonic Colors.

[@speedguy8637]

Otaku_Hedgehog it’s funny what they considered plausible and canon in this. Literally almost every argument felt twisted in a way to downplay Sonic. While Mario was just given the benefit of the doubt.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Speed Guy A lot of Mario’s feats were due to toon force and stupid gags. They just tried to make Sonic look like nothing to Mario, it’s ridiculous. And they didn’t even have Sonic boost in the fight. /:

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Hello! Goodbye! Oh wow, I completely forgot about that!

[@lfc_szn4274]

The Starman lasting for that long shouldn’t be taken seriously, since it’s just an animation. And in the the first Death Battle, Mario became dizzy after using the Mega Mushroom, and this has never happened to Mario either. Overall, they just used these just for very little detail.

[@92AJKdude]

@Giovanni Roman but the coconut thing was part of the animation, not the Data. The only thing I disagreed with that fight is that they used boom knuckles, whom is dumber than video game or Sonic X knuckles.

[@92AJKdude]

@Giovanni Roman you say that but fail to realize that both are more durable than you think. A simple punch (even one of knuckles caliber) wouldn't simply beat Dk, it would do damage but wouldn't beat him.

[@92AJKdude]

You don't even need death battle to know that they can take a lot damage, and dude, burying dk wouldn't end the fight.🤦

[@92AJKdude]

@Giovanni Roman you keep arguing about that but fail to realize that even if the coconut never hit there was a minecart arena underneath. Which by that point it would turn into a long winded fight.

[@92AJKdude]

Which would also mean that once Dk got out of the mine shaft he'd hunt knuckles down. So which would you rather Dk hunting knuckles down or knuckles' arms helping Dk to escape the mineshaft?

[@marioxenobladedokifan614]

In my opinion, I think both Mario and Sonic can win. But I do agree that Sonic has a much better chance of winning than Mario. I'm huge Mario fan but I only watch death battle for good entertainment. I honestly don't really care who wins.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

MarioXenobladefan614 And that is fine

[@StarForce99]

You're a fucking saint then lol.

[@kkproductions7411]

CorgiWithAnOrgy oof

[@StarForce99]

@@kkproductions7411 Matthew Schroeder?

[@BeastSquad-uq1wh]

Man....your good at this. U should do this for link and halo master chief

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Thank you for your kind words. Did Link and Master Chief have a Death Battle?

[@BeastSquad-uq1wh]

@@faithful_otaku7339 yep. master chief vs doomguy and link vs cloud 2

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@BeastSquad-uq1wh Oh yeah, I know about those fights, but when I read your post, I thought you were saying that Link and Master Chief fought against each other.

[@BeastSquad-uq1wh]

@@faithful_otaku7339 😊

[@marcussilos3025]

Strength: Mario Speed: sonic Stamina:sonic Agility: sonic Durability:Mario Forms:sonic gets quality, while Mario gets quantity Feats:sonic Winner:sonic wins negative difficulty

[@faithful_otaku7339]

It can be argued that Sonic beats Mario in durability and strength. Mario struggles to pull the Golden Chain-Chomp in Sunshine but Sonic would probably be able to kick that thing like a soccer ball when he boosts (DB didn't even bother to analyze boosting which goes to show how much effort was put into their "research") as suggested in his fights against mechanical behemoths like the Egg Nega-Wisp. And Sonic definitely takes durability as he can survive pretty much anything as long as he has at least 1 ring, meanwhile Mario literally gets weaker when he takes damage as he loses power-ups. Even if we throw game-mechanics aside, Sonic has survived Egg Fleet Battleships self-destructing in Heroes, meanwhile Mario is knocked out cold by a simple hat in Odyssey.

[@justcallmekai1554]

I do agree with the fact that Mario would be too slow to catch a Chaos Emerald from Sonic. Even if he did, Mario doesn't posses Chaos Energy, has no experience with it, and is contextual to the story unlike the Starman that just makes you invincible for a short period of time with no prerequisites.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Kaioshin Kaito Yes I agree, many of Mario’s power-ups are just game mechanics that don’t appear in cutscenes so it’s fair to claim Mario with a Starman isn’t completely invincible because he can die when he falls into a pool of lava or gets crushed. We have seen chaos emeralds and Super Sonic in Story cutscenes on the other hand to be able to survive just about anything with no stated time-limit. And Death Battle did say that they take into account story feats over game mechanics.

[@Random66860]

​@@faithful_otaku7339 wdym mario powerups is game mechanics

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

40:03 this makes me like Sonic even more as well as the other facts before this.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Assassinrage 72 Yeah especially that Sonic X episode. It goes to show how noble Sonic really is! :)

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

Otaku_Hedgehog Sonic has to be the most noblest hero, no wonder he became a knight

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Assassinrage 72 That’s a good point 😊

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

Otaku_Hedgehog heck he even pulled out the sword in the stone Caliburn, according to Caliburn he’s the one decides to be king(if someone is able to pull him out the stone) therefore his wisdom has to be off the scale.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Assassinrage 72 Oh yeah, I forgot about that feat as well. Sonic is smart and strong. DB mentioned that Mario wasn’t much of a strategist, so it can be argued that even if Sonic couldn’t out-power Mario (which he can) Sonic should be able to outsmart Mario, like how DB made Yoshi out smart a raptor or Rainbow-Dash outsmart a Decipticon iirc.

[@astrokw6689]

Credit to you. This was very insightful debunk but I can’t lie when you started talking about the fight, it triggered me. For example, when you mentioned the sun reveals the home field advantage for Mario was absolutely ridiculous to be honest. I frankly don’t appreciate how you crap on Screwattack’s work and Mario himself, acting like Mario stands zero chance against Sonic when he obviously does stand a chance against Sonic. I agree that Sonic should have won this Death Battle like he did the last, but you can’t just make Mario seem like he’s a regular plumber from our world. Looking at Mario he’s obviously not from our world or our earth and neither is Sonic. The fight was a great adaptation to what the fight used to be like in 2011 even though the result is incorrect,in a way proving that Screwattack is inconsistent. Another thing is that you mentioned little things Sonic could’ve done mid fight but realistically why would Sonic take off Mario’s hat in the middle of a fight? That doesn’t make any logical sense. You, along with Screwattack, also shouldn’t be using sources like Super Smash Bros for stats, simply because it’s not a major game to any of the characters in the game. If Smash was canon, it’d probably be a sporting kind of event the characters go to once in a while. You never hear Sonic talk about the time he fought Link or Pit or in this case, Mario. Some of the sources you used were invalid. Death Battle also practically used the game versions of each character and they showed game Mario outclasses game Sonic. Overall, using anything tied to the individual characters, including Archie Sonic, Sonic, in my opinion, destroys Mario. No, Mario is not a “sitting duck” without his power ups. Looking at a game like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 more than half the stuff he’s done was without power ups. He destroys Bowser weekly without the need of any special items which proves Mario is a formidable foe. The Mario vs Sonic matchup is nowhere near as lob-sided to Sonic as you make it seem. Keep in mind Sonic won against Mario in the first fight in 2011 so Screwattack knows Sonic definitely has what it takes to win with game canon,but so does Mario. I’m not trying to say you’re wrong or anything. I’m on Sonic’s side just as much as you are, if you couldn’t tell by my profile, I agree with you that Sonic should have won this fight. You honestly did a great job gathering research and creating this video, it’s great, and I hope you do well in the future. I just wanted to let you know how I felt about your video. P. S. I’m also glad Sonic won in 2011 rather than 2018 cuz I would’ve cried seeing Sonic lose back then. I’m 16 now and back then I probably 8 years old so seeing Sonic die back then would break my heart as he was my first love when I played Sonic Rush on the DS(I was born in 2003 don’t judge me that Sonic Rush was my first Sonic game) Sonic means a lot to me as a character overall. So much to where I had a dream about the fight and Sonic lost in my dream which made me sad. Seeing the full fight itself made me sad but I disregarded it because Sonic is the OG winner in this matchup and many people will agree with me that Sonic is the superior fighter compared to Mario. I also really love Mario too. Anyways take care.

[@astrokw6689]

Longest comment I’ll ever write😑

[@MaverickHunterX401]

What about timestamp from sa2 battle?

[@jahjr.climax8508]

Sonic has destroyed four sentinal level beings in game canon,just as super sonic with some help.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Kamai Kamai Yup, he way outclasses Mario!

[@isaiahtyson1281]

Kamai Kamai he also killed Gods by himself

[@comfy88338]

He didn't even need help there, Solaris was Omnipresent.

[@electric_creeper]

@@comfy88338 Yeah, that's why Sonic needed Shadow and Silver.

[@ryuquaza]

this is a good video though it was an hour and 30 minutes long ill have some critiques about any video this long

[@yona3271]

maxmium sonic power : his power is on namek ssj goku maxmium mario power : namek vegeta

[@ShermanYeo]

Nice debunk, and yea, both Sonic and Mario have some advantages in the fights, but Sonic's powerups has more kicks in them despite having less powerups than what Mario has in store.

[@badgerbadski6398]

While I do highly disagree, and there is tons of misinformation. You seem like a good person. Though, do you hate mario? You put like 7 level 1 mario's, used sonic as a character and used the mario's like they were punching bags in your smash ultimate footage.

[@badgerbadski6398]

@@LUNA-zn7ep It wasn't needed though.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

I don't hate Mario, I grew up with Mario games on my childhood friend's NES and SNES. I do however hate Mario/Nintendo fanboys and after all the hate I've been given from this community over the years I have every right to say that. Not all of the Nintendo fandom is toxic, that's a ridiculous statement to make. You seem like a nice guy, but I have had my fair share of BS in this community that I grew tired of playing the pacifist, I'm sick of this fandom. As for the Smash Bros gameplay footage, I was just blowing off steam and to have something in the background as I talk, I had KH3 footage and SSBU Classic mode footage playing too for the first third of the video! Why didn't you notice that? Not that it matters, I see Mario fans making Sonic look like a punching bag all the time, whether it’s in smash videos, forum posts, or fan art, the Nintendo fandom is full of hate towards Sonic. As a matter of fact, Smash is a great example of demonstrating this bias you Nintendo fans have towards me. You asked if I hate Mario because of this *ONE* video, while I don't particularly like the Nintendo fandom, I do enjoy Nintendo games. I have a playthrough of Zelda BotW and SSBU on my channel for Pete's Sake and I plan to stream a bit of Mario Odyssey when I find the time. But you Nintendo fans see this one video of me defending Sonic in a Death Battle and I'm instantly labeled as a brainless Sonic fanboy. I like other things besides Sonic! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3zXeGanlLN_fJo kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHOVhYRoYqxnZs0 And why is it that this video is so popular? Why aren't you Mario fans looking at my let's plays of Nintendo games? Jeez, I like Nintendo, but I just so happen to also like Sonic, why am I condemned for that? I know it's because of this Death Battle drama, Nintendo fans just like to pick fights and put people down. Heck, last year my Mario vs Sonic reaction video became my most watched video on KZbin as it was filled with Mario fans trash talking me for liking Sonic and swarming my video like a bunch of maggots in a garbage can. It’s not just Nintendo fans though, it's a KZbin problem in general. Sadly the only way to get views on KZbin as a new channel in today's day and age is to have your videos include drama or sex. And I love how a lot of you Nintendo fans trash talk the quality of my videos and channel when most of you don't have any videos uploaded yourself. i.imgur.com/yDTarE8.png And speaking of Smash, I love the Super Smash Bros franchise! But I hate HATE *HATE* the Smash community. They are the most ignorant and entitled jerks that I have ever seen in the gaming community. Prior to the release of SSBU, I've stated in a few video comments that I hoped that Shadow the Hedgehog would become an echo fighter for Sonic, or that Sonic atleast gets another rep (he's been in this franchise for over a decade afterall). 9 times out of 10, I am attacked with hate comments from Nintendo fans saying *SAniC SuX, Dat st0opID fRanch1Se is dead! U ju$T a st0opid SaniC f@nboy go KYS!* It's ridiculous, and then when Shadow was confirmed to be an assist trophy, I saw floods of Nintendo fans crapping on videos supporting Shadow for SSBU. And the sad things is, I remember way back in 2007 on my older KZbin channel, Nintendo fans were doing the same thing crapping on the idea of Sonic being in Brawl. In over a decade, this fandom hasn't changed a bit! i.imgur.com/B4WJmNq.png kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpucY6epgrCLgpo 1:32:50 I don't hate Nintendo, but I do hate the Nintendo fandom, and I have every right to say that after all the BS I've been put through. And another thing, I mentioned in this video that I have autism and that a common characteristic of autism is obsession; hence why I love Sonic so much, in the hopes of making these haters back-off. But low and behold, the Nintendo fandom showed me how pathetic this community can be as I received comments attacking me for having autism! i.imgur.com/0OqS3Hp.png Anyway, just so you know, this rant isn't directed towards you, I just get really passionate when it comes to Sonic and Nintendo fans love to attack me for this. And it’s not just hate towards Sonic that I see, I’ve seen Nintendo fanboys hating on any game simply because it’s not made by Nintendo. I’ve seen Nintendo fans wishing death on people for simply having a rival console to Nintendo, it’s pathetic! 1:30:31 And again, I know this behavior steams from the fact that most Nintendo fans are just ignorant teenagers who weren’t even born yet to see Sonic/SEGA in their glory days anyway, like Mene the Mene. tl;dr I don't hate Mario, I just hate Mario fans.

[@erobot7963]

Otaku_Hedgehog Bravo Otaku, I couldn’t have said it better myself. 👏 A lot of Nintendo fans are jerks!

[@badgerbadski6398]

@@erobot7963 Wrong.

[@badgerbadski6398]

@@faithful_otaku7339 The sonic fanbase makes mario look like a punching bag. You contradict yourself a lot. No offense btw.

[@Max-Rtpmp]

The best debunked I watched, really good video👍👍👍

[@E2ForLife]

Nah it's just all cap

[@Max-Rtpmp]

@@E2ForLife L take

[@E2ForLife]

All he did was SONJC X like it was bear

[@shardsoftime0952]

What is a sonjc lmao!

[@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday]

Same reason at school because I'm different but I'm very nice so I have plenty of friends and i see everywhere

[@memememe7081]

I mean people may say that the fight is just a estimated guess about what would happen, keeping in mind the winner, *A GUESS,* but how else would the simulation go about if the *estimated* winner would loose in the case scenario, I mean there is no other way for the winner to win, if the animation would even portray it right, now it's a different thing if the loser hasn't fought with the winner in the past (unlike Mario vs Sonic 2011) but when there is actually a proven way because the two fighters fought before, then why not just use that method? Or just make 2 death battle scenes, 1 where the other fighter wins, and one where the other fighter loses. Pick which death battle was more accurate. All I'm saying, in short, is that if you can find a proper way to make a right fight without getting debunked, go the other way, and portray it as the other character won, if that one isn't realistic either, then just make a different scenario.

[@RobXCaliburn]

Thanks for making this video. I hope people watching this realize that ScrewAttack was just being biased and just wanted Mario to win to make Mario fans happy. This Death Battle was inaccurate. I prefer the first one over the second one. If anyone wants to call me a Sonic fan boy go ahead. I’m not just gonna agree with ScrewAttack knowing what I know.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Sonickid237 Thanks for the comment. Yeah ScrewAttack made Sonic look like nothing to Mario. And they used comedic gags to make Mario look invincible. And why didn’t Sonic boost? Sonic’s boosting is more powerful than Mario’s arm strength.

[@RobXCaliburn]

Otaku_Hedgehog True. They didn’t made him look weak in the first one why they making him look weak in the second one? If someone were to remake this fight and make it more accurate they should take a look at this video because clearly their were spots where Sonic could had won even they said it but yet they chose Mario to win.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Sonickid237 Their research was highly in favor of Mario. They blindly assumed that Sonic is a weakling without the Archie feats which is not true. I’m pretty sure that they had Mario win this round just so they can make a third fight and milk their viewers.

[@RobXCaliburn]

Otaku_Hedgehog If they ever make a third fight which I think they should because the second one was bullshit, they should take a look at this video because you really made a lot of great points. Mario cannot beat Sonic. Hell, even the people who claim they’re hardcore Mario fans said that Mario can’t beat Sonic which leads me to believe that they’re some smart Mario fans out there. The second fight was just boring and inaccurate. The first one they went all out with their power ups. I’ll give it to them, the animation of the second death battle is phenomenal but the fight itself was just bullshit.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Sonickid237 Aw Thank you 😊Sadly I doubt Death Battle would care about what I have to say. I’m pretty sure they decide prior to research what character they want to win and then cater their research towards that character. That and they take Visual gags and toon force into consideration which annoys me. And even within their own research they contradict themselves as seen with the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight where they specifically stated that the omnitrix has a fail-safe feature to prevent it from being forcefully removed from Ben’s arm and they literally ignored their own claim in the fight. You know you screwed up when both fandoms claim your fight is wrong. Edit: This guy does a really good job pointing out DeathBattle’s incompetence: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHSxZ5mQj7ZgmcU

[@ryuquaza]

i completely disagree with the fact that sonic is more noble than any nintendo ip though for example look at characters like link and btw the thing about him breaking pots and stuff and hurting coocoos is all the player and have nothing to do with the character and another character could be luigi though he might not be so brave as sonic he is super kind and will do anything for his friends

[@soraiiro_]

You should really play more Sonic games to understand Sonic.

[@ryuquaza]

@@soraiiro_ i played all the sonic games now

[@soraiiro_]

@@ryuquaza Have you looked at every story to find out why Sonic is noble?

[@ryuquaza]

@@soraiiro_ Just saying i think there are ips more noble than sonic not that sonic isnt

[@soraiiro_]

@@ryuquaza oh

[@spiritpbr9659]

Mario does more cartoony shit. More cartoony feats of strength and durability. The star diver thing is still accurate. Hard for VG Sonic to compare to that. Would rather see Paper Mario vs Archie Sonic. Both are multiversal.

[@bakedbeans5494]

Sfop lying.

[@BeastSquad-uq1wh]

Stop lying

[@7-BIT]

20:27 Thank you! So many people use this feat to scale Mario when the castles weight is inconsistent when comparing it to the height of Mario.

[@Blasttheboi]

W video. You helped me sleep at night knowing that sonic wins.

[@erobot7963]

1:24:58 lol “Can’t you read, I’m not a kid I’m a teenager *angry emojis*” Don’t worry about that kid Otaku, I see him trolling Sonic fans all the time. He’s just looking for attention. And the ClockSpeed loser doesn’t even have any content or subs on his channel, just ignore him.

[@menethemene1555]

Yeah I was pretty angry back then 😅

[@erobot7963]

@@menethemene1555 What were you so angry about, if you don't mind me asking?

[@menethemene1555]

EroBot I get bullied a lot online and IRL so I just bad mood but that death battle made me feel better but unfortunately I went full fanboy mode and cause a lot of problem oh BTW Otaku forgave me a few minutes ago when I apologized to him

[@erobot7963]

@@menethemene1555 Aw I'm sorry to hear that, no one likes getting bullied. But I'm glad to hear that Otaku forgave you. ^_^

[@menethemene1555]

EroBot yeah :/ it really sucks

[@kingcrocodilerex]

Thank you finnaly its nice to see someone understand

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Exactly! 👍

[@kingcrocodilerex]

@@faithful_otaku7339 also can i ask for a favor

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@kingcrocodilerex I guess it depends on what it is?

[@kingcrocodilerex]

@@faithful_otaku7339 can you help scale my oc trion x i know you buise but if you do i will be forever greatfull

[@pegasusanimationssometimes]

plus in sonic x eng dub the space colony ark was gonna hit with the force of a super bc choas emeralds and super sonic should be equal and hyper sonic is i think14x more poweful than super

[@skinnyboikaden2688]

Imagine getting upset over a fight between two fictional characters

[@Gabriel-zy7ee]

Exactly.

[@clappedgeezars5565]

Ikr

[@justjosh9353]

I mean like, he’s just clearing up why it is wrong.

[@3DoublePoint]

Things gets worse between those fans

[@CosmicManIta]

I think that your, Super multiverse 97 and Excalibur have the best debunk on *Mario vs Sonic 2018*

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Aw thank you for your kind words. ^_^

[@CosmicManIta]

@@epicmickeyproductions3291 Who?

[@CosmicManIta]

@@epicmickeyproductions3291 oh

[@tugturnerreacts4340]

@@epicmickeyproductions3291 wow i feel bad people saying that sonic has a toxic fanbase but here we have a Mario fan calling a sonic fan an idiot just to prove that sonic can beat Mario that is sad

[@tugturnerreacts4340]

@@CosmicManIta im not sure what is wrong with this man if he does not like the video then why watch the video

[@GcmAstro97]

Even The castle mesure 133 in large and be honest The space inside Mario at Best is able To destroy a medium bulding , still Nothing for Sonic

[@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday]

Hey are you cheesing on that boss

[@user-qh2nv8qw9p]

At the end, Sonic ( Irrelevant speed, infinite-omnipotent, Boundless and Tier-0 in base ) too powerful for Mario, that battle is not even fair, Sonic is just too strong...

[@faithful_otaku7339]

True, not to mention that Mario failed to react to a simple hat in the opening of Odyssey which knocked him out cold. Mario wouldn't stand a chance against Sonic, especially now due to his feats in Frontiers!

[@SuperSonicShow27Kyrostick]

I. Try. To hide the fact I like sonic due. To me. Being bullied in preschool I. Was insulted but. When I got. Home everyday I. Played sonic

[@electric_creeper]

I think you're being bullied because you can't type a sentence properly.

[@primeapocalypse6291]

@@electric_creeper Lol

[@khadi97]

Oh my God the Mario and luigi series is canon also Mario is able to pilot when of tatangas space ships which was supposed to be mach 998 he was able to dodge that and he can dodge lasers so yeah debunk that

[@bakedbeans5494]

You just lost your own point when you said pilot.

[@tugturnerreacts4340]

Wait did youtube change the the like to dislike ratio that only you can see likes and i think im not really sure but did you have 200 something likes or was it higher

[@chathunuthsarabandara2783]

I agree man great video thanks dude i hope you make more vidoes "MARIO FANS ARE THE WORST"

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Thank you for the comment 😊 Yeah Mario fans are terrible, I’ve even seen some Mario fans telling Sonic fans to go kill themselves just for liking Sonic on the Death Battle video. I don’t think I’m going to make any more videos anytime soon as I got a new full time job and am working on a book so I’m really busy right now. That and I’m sick of the KZbin community. It’s really toxic, negative, and overall a horrible environment. Especially for Sonic fans, if you enter a discussion on this site with an avatar, you’ll get harassed and sent hate comments for literally no reason at all, just because stupid teenagers and man-children believe that hating on Sonic and the fandom is the cool thing to do right now. And I find it funny that all these Mario fanboys will attack me on this debunk video and call me a “Nintendo hater” but they won’t bother to watch my Mario Odyssey, Zelda BotW, or Pokémon Blue Kaizo videos. Yet this video seems to be my most popular video on my channel which goes to show that the gaming community on KZbin doesn’t care about video games, they only care about drama, which I do not have time for.

[@beatrice949]

@@faithful_otaku7339 Both can be toxic, I thought sonic fans were worse, but now I think Mariotards are actually worse than sonic fans.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

@@beatrice949 I'm curious, did you think Sonic fans were worse because you actually experienced Sonic fans harassing you? Or did you feel Sonic fans were worse because that's just what you've heard from popular KZbinrs? I personally have *HUNDREDS* of archived emails of Mario fans harassing me for the past 3 years due to this Death Battle drama so I can at least speak from experience when I say that Mario fans are terrible.

[@beatrice949]

@@faithful_otaku7339 I like Sonic more than Mario, but I thought Sonic fans were worse because here in my country people only talk about sonic fans and treat Mario fans as innocents. Recently, I saw a Mario fan saying he's hyperversal and told sonic fans to eat their hearts.

[@davidbrown4647]

@@faithful_otaku7339 Cobanermani456 made a video talking about how bad the Sonic fandom is (and he is a Sonic fan btw) and how it is not perfect.

[@sc0pejoshua22]

I see a lot if good points in your video. And I can relate to you very well. When I was a kid I’ve been bullied for liking Sonic as well. The only problem is that you use a lot if reasoning to debunk Mario that can be applied to sonic. I do believe you have most things right in your video, and honestly you could have left Mario’s segment and talked about Sonic. With the calculations you have, it doesn’t even matter if Mario was ten times more powerful. Sonic is too much. I only think they downplayed him to shut the Mario fans that were still salty.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Sc0pe Joshua Thank you for your kind comment. I think they had Mario win just so they could make an inevitable third Mario vs Sonic fight /:

[@sc0pejoshua22]

Otaku_Hedgehog No problem. If they do a third fight, it would most likely be in both characters’ strongest forms, which are paper mario and archie sonic. If that’s the case, archie sonic stomps with his hax, and dimensional tiering

[@badgerbadski6398]

Yeah, and the sonic fanbase is worse than the nintendo fanbase. Im a sonic fan and Im saying this. One of my friends judged me for liking sonic. But the thing is the nintendo fan base is much better, at least now.

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Shroomy Please explain why the Sonic fandom is worse? I really want to hear this.

[@E2ForLife]

Oh mario and luigi can be argued as different cannon oh well I guess chis is every single sonjc game

[@shardsoftime0952]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

[@SansINess53]

Super form and hyper form isn't a power up then why there is "form" at the end of the ""power upie""

[@joeda900]

52:36 Also Sonic could use time break again in Sonic Generation

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Joeda 900 Yeah I forgot about that 😅

[@tugturnerreacts4340]

@@epicmickeyproductions3291 nope if he uses it in both games it counts

[@Daichi-pz8oc]

I 100% agree, Mario Fans just got to learn that this fight was just Rigged for them, doing to them bitching out at the first battle, Their were a lot of things I said to people, This my on reasoning what death battle leave out Wisp out class Mario's powers they say Starman and Giant Mushroom can one-shot Void Wisp, because it darkness and Starman has light, But according to my research Void Wisp isn't made of Dark Energy, it's Negative energy, doing that are called NEGA- (negative) wisp, Darkness =/= Negative, which Black Holes are made Negative energy which nothing can escape it not even Light can. Also If Void Wisp was use in the battle, Mario is Fucked, even if He he has vanishing cap or Metal Cap, The Void Wisp don't just suck up object, it can suck up any energy it can suck up energy blasts, which Vanish Cap still have energy. So It can suck up Vanish cap and Metal Cap. Even Mega Mushroom can't do anything, yes Void doesn't start out small but if we use this fight environment, Void Wisp would suck up all those trees and all of the sand in the Island And that would turn game over for Mario, And that will make him Void Big and Void Wisp was able to suck up a hole Ship that is much more Bigger than Mega Mushroom, There is no way Mario could counter Void Wisp, and Ice Flower or Golden Flower, like you said It can only work on basic enemy's so it wouldn't work on Void Wisp, (not to mention Wiz said in the first Mario vs Sonic death battle, he mention Ice Flower in ep 13 and he said the result wouldn't be different). And if you didn't notice that Laser Wisp do have light speed feats, In the Wii version when you activate laser wisp, it stops time, so that make Laser Wisp outclass Time Watch so when Mario try to use any of his power, Laser Wisp can stop time be for he tries to grab his power, and you alright proven that Mario can't react to light speed, Also Time Watch only apart in Mario 2 which was a dream, so Time Watch isn't really canon. And Mario can't you fire flower, like you said that happen in a spin-off series, then when people try to say "Oh, Luigi series and party are Canon because *Blank-Blank* say so" will no because I can say one day I jump off a airplane in a thunder storm and survive, this quote on quote statement saying that he did this, according to timelines or *blank* there still no prove, at-lest Sonic confirm that Secret Rings happen and after Classic Sonic saw Time Eater, it was very quick but they show all the flashbacks of Sonic, (AND I SO MARIO IN THERE TOO) not all sonic generation have this seen and it hard to find it but I don't no if some add it to there video, its a special addition, but if it is real Sonic and Secret Rings is canon and actually happened, even if Mario and Luigi and Party is really canon, Just because Canon =/= part of the main series we using main series Mario not spin-offs, But everything else that Im was thinking was exactly what you said, especially the gags that they put and you said Base Sonic would destroy Base Mario, they actually count as real feats is just plain off stupid. But yes this is the best Mario vs Sonic Debunk so far I have seen, Good Job

[@faithful_otaku7339]

Yes I agree. Having Sonic lose to Mario using reasonable feats would be one thing, but Screw Attack went out of their way using these stupid comedic gags as feats to make Sonic look like nothing to Mario, it's so dumb. And I'm sure they had Mario win just to shut up the crying fanboys from 2011 and so they can have their inevitable Mario vs Sonic 3 Death Battle later. Oh and I completely forgot about the laser wisp being able to stop time. Sonic should have been able to one-shot Mario there considering the immeasurable amount of energy that it takes a physical object to move at light-speed.

[@Rosie_Cozy]

I’m a Mario fan but still some Mario fans are complete stupid arguing about fictional Characters Fighting

[@badgerbadski6398]

@@faithful_otaku7339 I can agree with you, besides the fact that you think the nintendo fanbase is "evil-bad".

[@tugturnerreacts4340]

@Mario and Sonic fan Now firstly Miyamoto is known for fucking things up in Mario, Changing things and making things complicated. For example “On the biological controversy surrounding Bowser's children, Miyamoto admits that he does not know who Bowser Jr.'s mother is although he is a legitimate son. The rest of Bowser's seven Koopa Kids are not his children, and are essentially adopted.” Now according to another interview, It’s miyamoto who officially outs himself as Bowser Jr’s Mother while confirming and denouncing certain myths/theories. And the “In response to a question regarding the Mario characters' willingness to play tennis or race karts with each other despite constantly being at odds” and "a troupe of actors." Part just relay that there are different versions of the characters portraying what they do. But even that response is contradicted by the fact That Series like Paper Mario acknowledges that The Party Games and Kart Series happened And the only official time a Mario game was an act was Mario Bros. 3 And Super Mario Bros. 2 was all a fucking dream Yet these games aren’t mentioned in any other games.

[@thebestanswerforyou6068]

Guys I just want people to understand that this is not official just because death battle said Mario beats sonic does not mean it’s true it’s just that there research of Mario’s strength was simply greater than Sonic so don’t get mad 😡 over a debunk video its only his opinion so stop hating on him just cause he has a different opinion again this is not a fact some people think Mario beats sonic some people think sonic beats Mario and that’s ok it just in opinion not a proven fact