Mario Vs Sonic | THE HONEST TRUTH | (Super Mario Bros Vs Sonic The Hedgehog)

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[@justsomeguyontheinternet7134]

God its actually hilarious that a plumber and blue heighhog would unironically solo dbs

[@nuzlite]

lmao true

[@chillking2936]

Just the plumber

[@Deatherage420]

@@chillking2936 🤨you mean the hedgehog? 🔵💨

[@chillking2936]

@@Deatherage420 nah just the plumber

[@Deatherage420]

@@chillking2936 trippin

[@gerragotheallidile]

Realistically, a fight between Mario and Sonic would end in a draw/tie, as the two are on equal footing. They simply can't beat each other.

[@FlahgyBro]

It’s just who shoots the “Instant win ability” first tbh

[@user-dh5zz4ow3u]

Hyper Sonic: Allow me to introduce myself

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@FlahgyBro Except they're both immortal.

[@fontanermario]

@@user-dh5zz4ow3u Mario Pure heart: Allow me to introduce myself

[@ILikeSoda229]

@@user-dh5zz4ow3uHyper Sonic isn’t even Canon, so it wouldn’t make any sense for him to use

[@FoxMcLox]

I Love Your Comparison Between Them, It Shows That People Need To Stop Making Mario Vs Sonic Videos And To Stop Saying They're Rivals When They're Already Friends! But This Mario Vs Sonic Video Is Kinda Different From The Others (it actually shows that mario is so much powerful than what people think)

[@SKeLeTrust]

That was definitely a rollercoaster ride. I'm subbing

[@nuzlite]

Thanks :D

[@IkeTheBot]

This is probably the best video I’ve seen debating Mario vs Sonic. You gave both of them a fair fight with reasonable arguments and plausible outcomes. Before this, I was convinced that Sonic would destroy Mario as soon as he entered his super form, but you’ve convinced me that it would actually be more likely for Mario to win. Great video!

[@wooly4648]

I am incredibly happy you mentioned the Dream Depot. So many people overlook this Multiversal (or higher) feat for Mario so I'm glad you shed light on it. There is one thing you said about it that I think is important to clear up. Dreamy Bowser didn't threaten the Dream Depot. that was base Bowser. Dreamy Bowser is Bowser after he consumed the Dream Stone. Dreamy Bowser would still be Multiversal regardless since he was using power from all the dreams anyway. This gives Mario another Multiversal feat over Sonic. Just thought I would clear that up.

[@nuzlite]

:D

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

Sonic has an equivalent to that called maginaryworld and he scales to void who had the power to destroy it all.

[@speedosound4262]

@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy The Maginiaryworld? Last I checked, Maginiaryworld is not an equivalent to Dream Depot because Dream Depot has more indept analysis of the dream worlds being universes(ie Future Dream being stated by Misstar to be a universe) and statements of space-times whereas the Maginiaryworld on the other hand states only the world itself to be a universe while it's dreams(a different meaning) to be just pocket reality dimensions so that comparison is crap.

[@speedosound4262]

@A Kirisutokyōto (Comments Sometimes Delete. IdkY) No it does not, the dream depot has more indepth analysis on why its dreams are universed sized(the view of the constellations and Misstar stating one of them to be universes) and they are from the dreams(sleeping one), the maginaryworld is different because its dream dimensions are based on a different definition of dreams (wishes) and in the manual, they are only said to be dimensions. And what cosmology? Don't tell me you've been watching videos about horrendous Sonic scaling.

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

@@speedosound4262 The view of constellations? You can see entire galaxies in maginaryworld so yeah im standing by what i said. Also you disregarded what i said about Maginaryworld being the nexus of all realities and even extra dimensional worlds. Dream depot doesnt. That alone rests my case. No they dont just contain those dreams, they contain both actually. She outright says they contain the dreams of everyone in every dimension and then we also have the dark reaIm where villianious dreams are. Its said that maginaryworld is even where dreams ORIGINATE so how does what you say make any sense? Again show me this apparent "manual scan" and what do you mean "what cosmology"? Every verse has a cosmology...even mario...uh oh. Im getting wanring flags from you. Also scalers watch scaling vods of all characters...why are you only pointing out sonic in that manner?...yeah your one of those "i live online solely to go around saying somic is city level" ppI that lurk around the scaling community for sure. Or at least thats what your giving off because i know for some particularly sonic has a HUGE hatebase.

[@bigmacchasi]

Also this is what I've been looking for a mario vs sonic video where all there power ups super forms abilities and accomplishments are all on the table.... am hitting the thumbs up for this video

[@TheBossofRandom]

Banger video bro forgot how much I loved your content

[@nuzlite]

THANKS BOSS MAN

[@porobotboyxxx]

17:21-17:30 Naugus never created a universe of infinite portions. He discovered the Zone of Silence and when he was in it, he discovered it increased his abilities to that of a god. He then discovered the Void which was similar to the Zone of Silence but was more stable. So with his enhanced powers he merged the two pocket dimensions into one. Sonic never fought Naugus in that Zone (it would have been suicide.) Also Sonic actually tried to fight Naugus in his base but he couldn’t hurt Naugus due to his molecular control, which made him immune to Sonic’s attacks. Naugus even robbed the air out of Sonic’s lungs. The only way Sonic could harm or defeat him was with his Ultra Form or using the Sword of Light (which became the new Sword of Acorns.)

[@john_negs7720]

Base sonic at best being able to only destroy small stars is such a bad take ☠️

[@speedosound4262]

@John_negs Because he does, base sonic is star lvl at best.

[@Rukabu_Break]

@@speedosound4262 base sonic saved two universes from colliding and revived time and space by just running in base.

[@speedosound4262]

@@Rukabu_Break "base sonic saved two universes from colliding.." that never happened. "....revived time and space by running in base" that is just an ability/hax, it has nothing to do with how strong he is.

[@Rukabu_Break]

@@speedosound4262 Sonic Rush dude. Do some research lol.

[@Rukabu_Break]

@@Lazar-tt4uq Sonic destroyed dimensions in base.

[@A_Person_On_The_Internet]

The guidelines for this channel are extremely thorough, and complex.

[@almightyloaf6223]

Although this was an amazing video I couldn’t help but notice you adding paper Mario’s arsenal to regular Mario’s move set. 1:19 you even said yourself those are two separate Mario’s, you also forgot to mention how sonic can do chaos control as well as if he wanted to use the emeralds to make wishes just like with paper Mario and the star rod. Overall great vid I just wanted to point that out.

[@FanaticChain]

This was really good! I think you’re underrating base sonic a LOT but your content is both entertaining and informative! Subbing

[@speedosound4262]

Base Sonic is not that strong tho

[@khalidsaeedali8756]

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[@khalidsaeedali8756]

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[@Rukabu_Break]

@@speedosound4262 he is

[@speedosound4262]

@@Rukabu_Break no he is not.

[@monke-playz6426]

It’s funny how when people make a joke o sonic winning the internet is quiet and when a joke of mario wins the whole internet goes serious

[@bending6894]

because sonic fans are desperate for any win they can get since they can't get good games

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

It goes both ways. Mario fans get extremely butthurt when Sonic wins.

[@speedosound4262]

@@knuclestheechidna5406 No, they are like that because of how you always downplay Mario.

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

@@speedosound4262 Bruh you were downplaying sonic in your other comment.

[@speedosound4262]

@@knuclestheechidna5406 I wasn't downplaying Sonic, I am saying the truth. Plus I know were people got Sonic being "resistant to time or smth" just to wank the hedgehog up.

[@GS_Official120]

honestly loved this video

[@nuzlite]

thanks king

[@blueobject642]

Here is a video ideas Gojo vs makima or Xeno Vegtio vs Archie shadic Side note: Yes I know that shadic is a fan made character but this does look interesting to me

[@callumcrane241]

I think Solaris was destroying more than just multable timeline's. I'd say that's mid balling. Really Solaris was destroying the everything. Timeline's, Universes, Multiverses, Dimentions, and so on.

[@porobotboyxxx]

Solaris was destroying Sonic’s Multiverse.

[@callumcrane241]

@@porobotboyxxx My point exactly.

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@callumcrane241 K.👌

[@FlahgyBro]

@@callumcrane241 yeah that’s what he said? He said Solaris would be a multiversal threat at LEAST.

[@callumcrane241]

@@FlahgyBro Lately I been taking him for 5D. Originally I took Solaris for Outer^^;

[@numbug1234]

I wanna point out for the Super Dimentio feat, that Bowser straight up says that he gets a power boost from the pure hearts during the fight, so the pure hearts should be benefiting them all equally, and thus Mario shouldn't scale to that feat since it's with power Paper Mario lost access to. And for Super Sonic, Solaris is explicitly said to be a higher dimensional being, and it was going to erase time across the entire multiverse, which would include Maginaryworld - a 4th dimensional universe (said more clearly in the Japanese version, which should be the primary version used as the game was first written in Japanese).

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

But he wasn’t powered up, He feels like he is be the Pure Hearts only boost you if you choose it too. They only heal Mario and Co.

[@void.w1zard]

@@SonZackSSJ9k Eles curam Mário e deixa bem claro que foram capacitados. A própria Trippi fiz isso “NOSSA CHANCE, OS CORAÇÕES PUROS NOS DERAM PODER”

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@void.w1zard the Pure Hearts heal him, not power him up. And the line was a way of saying he felt better than he was at the beginning of the fight.

[@void.w1zard]

@@SonZackSSJ9kBro, de qualquer forma mario não escala. Isso só mostra que no momento ele só venceu por conta da ajuda dos corações puros. Quem de fato salvou o dia foi o próprio vilão conte black e a Trippi. E sua forma de interpretar não muda o fato de que os corações puros enfraqueceu dimentio e capacitou mario a atingi-lo.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@void.w1zard The Pure Hearts still only healed Mario and Co. and got rid of Super Dimentios Invunerability. Even then Base Dimentio alone is busted.

[@yona3271]

fun fact sonic can make his form last longer by rings so don't forget that but you will since nobody cares for any details

[@user-qh2nv8qw9p]

Damn, Sonic is just a God of fiction ( I love Sonic, but it is so incredible that he is sooo powerful, that is cool )

[@porobotboyxxx]

17:36-17:46 Archie Sonic was only capable of doing that because of the Super Genesis Wave. Also he never fused two multiverses together, he warped his own multiverse with his Chaos Control and the Super Genesis Wave.

[@joseacassio4164]

remembering that archie sonic in base form fought with a being that could destroy millions of multiverses, and keep in mind that the multiverse in archie sonic's verse is infinite

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@joseacassio4164 If you’re referring to Master Mogul, Sonic stood no chance against him and Mogul easily took him out when the AOE of one of his lasers knocked Sonic out.

[@joseacassio4164]

@@porobotboyxxx I'm not saying that Sonic defeated him, I'm saying that Sonic can hurt him a lot

[@joseacassio4164]

@@porobotboyxxx and sonic dealt with more than one cosmic being in base form

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@joseacassio4164 Sonic hurting Mammoth Mogul when he had the entire Chaos Force or just hurting Mario? Cause I can see Sonic hurting Mario, but he was unable to hurt Chaos Force Master Mogul.

[@alijkoy46]

17:22 I was like: "Oh that would be hard, they both are st-" Until i saw Archie Sonic. 💀

[@Born0629]

To be fair, there is always Mario Kun, which I'd argue is comparable to Archie Sonic in power.

[@MGSBOB]

Cool video oh can you do a video with godzilla in hell vs someone

[@porobotboyxxx]

18:48-18:50 That plot manipulation only works for the comics that Sonic manually creates himself.

[@joseacassio4164]

he's a little wrong, sonic doesn't have plot manipulation, it's just that plot manipulation doesn't work on him

[@HelenaSan425]

i like both anyways 🙂

[@animadoramediotiempohijar]

Paper Mario and Mario are the same character Paper Jam is a non-canon crossover and in the rare situation where they are not the same, Paper Mario is a being of such a broken scale (possible due to RPG) that it is able to withstand destruction from a universe and defeat a Bowser who had endured the same yep, my english is very basic

[@speedosound4262]

Technically, Mario does not have canon so Paper Jam reveals Paper Mario is a different entity from mainline Mario but due to the crossover, Mario can scale to his Paper conuterpart.

[@wooly4648]

@@speedosound4262 The Paper Mario in PJ is the different Mario. Every other PM game is just 'regular' Mario

[@speedosound4262]

@@wooly4648 Guess I can believe that.

[@fontanermario]

@@speedosound4262 Friend Mario and paper mario yes they are the same mario in fact all the marios of the spin offs are canon except for mario and luigi paper jam which is not canon if not miyamoto himself confirmed that in an interview with Zelda Breath Of The Wild yes do you want to see it

[@Gojo-CUH-1356]

@@speedosound4262where’s the proof that this is consistent every spin off is canon except for paper jam that doesn’t really make sense also if all the spin-offs are canon why do they said Mario doesn’t have one that’s very inconsistent

[@danielkwamedanso-owusu3505]

Great video bro

[@JJGaming-mz7fc]

Mario beating sonic in base and being debated to beat his super form is well something. Mario already being multiversal is something but sonic in base is already mutliversal itself with immeasurable speed. In sonic forces sonic has defeated infinite at least twice where Infinte uses the power of the phantom ruby. The phantom ruby can warp reality and can travel through different dimensions and has shown to travel through time since classic sonic went from past and ended up being in the future where sonic forces takes place. The phantom ruby has also created a dimension known as null space which is a dimension full of nothingness where the dimension itself is stated to be infinite in size. Sonic overpowers infinte like I said at least twice in sonic forces and Solaris is well beyond that power. Solaris exist in all points of existing of time (past present and future) which means the only way to completely defeat Solaris is to defeat him in the past defeat him in the present and defeat him in the future. In the sonic 06 guidebook sonic is stated to be the only character that cns defeat Solaris and the game proves this by going with the fact that it is the reason why Mephiles kills sonic before merging with Iblis to become Solaris. Solaris is also a transcending life form that transcends time and space and is also a super dimensional being and can destroy time itself into nothingness. In sonic forces sonic stated himself that he gets stronger every second which cns be proven with past games but it’s also unquantifiable. Sonic also gets faster every time he runs and can reach new levels of speed. In the classic era of sonic it’s been stated that’s sonic can reach speed of Mach 1 all on his own and sonic frontiers makes this call back. Since we already proved that sonic already has immeasurable speed he can even get faster then this and sonic doesn’t even run at max speed. So overall Mario has a match against sonic in base form but when sonic goes super it’s gonna be a different story. Also another need to note is super sonic not lasting long is just a game mechanic. In sonic advance sonic went into his super form and went to the moon to fight eggman. A week has gone by and sonic returns in his super form. Meaning that sonic can maintain his super form for a week.

[@speedosound4262]

@JJGaming Nice essay you wrote👏, but I disagree heavily. Sonic only reaches Multiversal(Multi-Universal) power when he is in Super form or even Darkspine, Base Sonic is consistently Star lvl atmost. Null Space was not created by Infinite and another thing to note is that the Phantom Ruby's power was weakened before Base Sonic defeated Infinite. Also, Sonic does not have immeasurable speed, the manuals just said he surpassed the speed of light, to have immeasurable speed, you need to have movement beyond linear time and he doesn't run at max speed since he would already run faster than light. Mario surpasses Base Sonic and can debately match Super Sonic. Also there is no time frame for Super Sonic lasting that long since we didn't see him in his Super form for weeks.

[@supraknightly27]

@@speedosound4262 Not to mention Infinite was only using a Phantom Ruby replica, not the ruby itself. I'm not sure about the warping reality bit either, yes, he has manipulated gravity and feeds false images to the brain of the user, but when I say reality warping, I mean the ability to manipulate structures to their liking, which as far as I've seen, Infinite hasn't been able to do. And the way the phantom ruby works is pretty vague in the first place.

[@speedosound4262]

@@supraknightly27 Faxxx

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

@@supraknightly27 I will say that Sonic has been shown to get stronger and stronger after each game. When previously, it took Super Sonic to defeat perfect chaos, now he can do it in base with less hits. Now with that in mind, let's take into account that Solaris was stated to eat dimensions casually, and Infinite in Forces (hate to bring up Forces, but it is a thing so here it is.) was stated to be the strongest foe Sonic had ever faced. So depending on whether or not you interpret that as Infinite being stronger than Solaris is up to you, but let's take that as it is said. That would mean that Sonic as he is now in base could take out Solaris.

[@supraknightly27]

@@lefeeshchopped8286 I think you're taking a massive leap in logic there. Perfect Chaos was city level at best, so it is either Chaos himself isn't that strong or Super Sonic wasn't that strong considering the same Super Sonic got tuckered out from defeating Dark Gaia with help, mind you. Also, Infinite being the strongest foe Sonic ever faced, I think that was purely exaggerated considering Infinite isn't even planet level. So considering everything here, Sonic cannot match Solaris in base form, he also had help in that fight too. I don't believe that for a moment.

[@Kwizzy8406]

Mario does not move at light speed at a casual level, sure you can get a few hits in on sonic, but constantly tracking sonic is not possible. It’s even shown in Sonic CD that he can travel through time by running.

[@DreaguiVII]

That is the Honest truth

[@fontanermario]

Mario can also travel in time xd New Yoshi Island is seen returning to his time and that is base xd

[@Kwizzy8406]

@@fontanermario There’s so many things wrong with that cut scene it’s insane. Like how he does it out of nowhere, and never displays that kind of power ever again. It’s not a situation like he won’t, because that would have been very helpful in partners in time. This is kind of the most difficult thing comparing this to, while sonic has a more consistent Cannon mostly, Mario’s all over the place, and sure while it’s all called Cannon, we all know that we should not take that at face value.

[@fontanermario]

​@@Kwizzy8406Friend Mario in that game has the purpose of helping us in some situations for something in the end he sees how he fulfilled his objective he returns to his original timeline also it is not necessary since it would be the same to say that Mario has the mega mushroom and does not use it when bowser becomes giant

[@Kwizzy8406]

@@fontanermario So you’re saying it wouldn’t be helpful if Mario brought his past self back to his time so he wouldn’t worry about the time-stream. Also, you know it doesn’t really matter if Mario can time travel, since sonic can do the same, sure Mario can go back and kill sonic since he uses transportation, but that would require prior knowledge of where sonic was in the past. Like we don’t even know sonic’s true origins, plus by the time Mario gets there i’m pretty sure sonic would be able to get away just in time for sonic in the present to get Mario. Which is another thing, the reason why I say sonic can travel through time is to show how fast he is, don’t get me wrong we have seen Mario move at light speed, but we’ve seen that Mario does not have as much stamina as sonic has. Which means while Mario will get a few hits in, at the end of the day he cannot move at that speed reliably to finish sonic off.

[@nisansparow3390]

I have a counter point, Sonic boom is still Canon as in as an alternate universe or a branching timeline as one of the people In charge of the game said. And it's important to note that Sonic boom supports string theory requires 10D to work. Meaning if we were to multiply that with the pre established multiverse, this also would put Sonic in the complex multiversal easily. I also noticed there's a lot more consistent infinite speed feats to immeasurable speed feeds with Sonic rather than Mario. This is mostly all I wanted to bring up.

[@theheadlessglen]

Goated video

[@uzookafor8721]

Sonic is actually going to win the match.

[@imspector1506]

Any proof

[@uzookafor8721]

The archie comic feats is already evidence, especially when you take his transformations supersonic, hyper and ultra sonic transformation, hes nigh invincible in that state and can warp reality at will. One of his weaker feats was easily defeating solaris a time eatimg god easily high complex multiversal

[@fontanermario]

Mario kun: Clap your hands from archie sonic

[@imspector1506]

@@uzookafor8721 what about game sonic

[@imspector1506]

@@uzookafor8721 and he didn’t easily beat solaris

[@TCBlueFire]

What about mario-kun no one talks about him that much but i hear people say he stomps archie

[@keittoliveira29]

Mario kun perderia

[@jacanaable]

But he loses to smt sonic.

[@TCBlueFire]

@@jacanaable who's smt sonic

[@jacanaable]

@@TCBlueFire sonic from shin gamy tensei the game who has Demi fiend

[@TCBlueFire]

@@jacanaable wait wait wait you mean THAT SMT, when was he in SMT XD

[@nisansparow3390]

In Sonic advance, it's confirmed Sonic can stay in the super form for days on end making the rings more as a gameplay mechanic, classic Sonic is said to also do this supposedly but there's not enough evidence to support it. Also the wildest version of Mario isn't as composited as most other Mario fans would do, dream team Mario is still a different Mario from the platforming Mario that we usually play. All the games that you see from classic to modern are the same Sonic with the exception of boom Sonic, as it's confirmed it's a different timeline. Sonic was also able to break out nul space with just speed which is confirmed to be infinite in size and nothing exists in it which includes time. So I probably say he's either high immeasurable or massively infinite.

[@porobotboyxxx]

20:04-20:07 Archie Sonic can’t resist his speed being lowered or taken away, but he can get it back through the use of 3 power rings.

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

Not hard to find though.

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@lefeeshchopped8286 Kind of true, but issue 38 made it such a chore for him to find 3 rings in total.

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

@@porobotboyxxx Yeah...inconsistencies

[@Hedgehog787]

I like this video and also how you Show all of the abilities of the characters although I do believe in most situations game sonic could beat Mario. Sonic in the games can scale to outer mainly with his feats and frontiers and in other games l, but without using scaling Mario can out strength sonic. Then again with sonics ftl and immeasurable speed feats sonic would probably speed blitz Mario. Even though I disagree Cool vid

[@doomedgundam6684]

Game Sonic isn't outer.

[@speedosound4262]

Game Sonic isn't immeasurable neither

[@rofurtheweasil7298]

Speed O’ Speed In forces, sonic literally ran out of null space which is a dimension that is full of nothing; and sonic just ran out of it. Then in frontiers, sonic using his speed, got out of cyberspace which is a dimension; so his speed is also immeasurable. I don’t know what your talking about.

[@speedosound4262]

@@rofurtheweasil7298 So going by your logic, Mario moved in stopped time in Tick Tok Clock, automatically saying he has immeasurable speed aswell, yeah no buddy. It is actually the speed of moving beyond linear time that grants you immeasurable speed. Sonic escaped with the help of the avatar anyway.

[@rofurtheweasil7298]

@@speedosound4262 Look buddy, the avatar was there, just to be there. Sonic got out of cyberspace on his own , and in Generations; sonic literally was running fast enough that he was fixing time and reality and that includes classic sonic. Furthermore, in secret rings; sonic ran endlessly until he found his way home which the Arabian Nights are endless. All this wouldn’t be possible if sonic didn’t have immeasurable speed. Besides, I thought the theory was over that Mario was faster than Sonic. It doesn’t make sense to me that a plumber can beat a character built for speed.

[@ShadwSonic]

Personally, I'd say that Game Sonic beats Mario (though not by as much as you'd initially think), and Archie... yeah, no way Mario can stand up to THAT one.

[@gonhunter3994]

You wrong

[@david_cool427YT]

@@gonhunter3994 Ikr

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

Your wrong. Because classic sonic possibly wins too after generations and forces

[@Mach_the_Man]

@@gonhunter3994 Maybe about game Sonic, but you're just gonna look stupid if you try to say Archie Sonic can't beat Mario.

[@cheemsburger3184]

I disagree strongly but archie sonic is definitely beating mario

[@mrlotobvious]

Not even the mariokart, mario party and the mario sport games might not be canon

[@mrlotobvious]

Tĥe only thing that bothers me is that nobody tries to find the more canon mario because not all 2d or 3d mario games are the same

[@randomposts3870]

Super sonic lasted more than a day in advance3 (probably 3 days)

[@speedosound4262]

But we haven't seen Sonic during the last days in the cutscene, all we know is that he returned in Super, that's all.

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@speedosound4262 Yet there's no cutscene showing that he dropped out of Super either, so unless you can come up with an argument that's valid enough to show that Sonic wasn't in Super the entire time, the point that Sonic was powered up for 3 days is still valid.

[@speedosound4262]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 Well there's evidence, he was still in his Super state for the last 3 days because if he was, she should've returned after shortly defeating Eggman. The only way to know he'd return is finding rings to recharge offscreen.

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@speedosound4262 Or he was just trying to figure what to do with Eggman after defeating him, he was given the slip up, caught Eggman again with how to deal with him afterwards in mind, then came back after that.

[@speedosound4262]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 That is not even good.

[@wiitimer33]

8:25 , the super forms and hyper forms do have a time limit but a really large one depending on sonic's stamina and if there any dark eneties like dark gia around.

[@drybonesmunchakoopas5143]

Im not gonna lie I agree base mario wins against base sonic but I do have some slight critique. listing off a bunch of random powers instead of actually explaining what they do or to that extent they have them is just not a good way of going about comparisons. For example both the human torch and a flame thrower have fire creation but their obiously not comerable on the levels they have that ability at if that makes any sense. And I feel like a lot of those powers were really not much more than fluff that made things needlessly longer and either weren't really note worthy or straight up irrelevant. I think a better way to go about it is b actually comparing these powers they have actually entail and they ways in which they can use them and to what extent to make things less vague, using more feat examples wouldnt hurt either. Other than that good vid, just thought id give some constructive criticism

[@porobotboyxxx]

19:13 Sonic doesn’t have Age Manipulation, in one of the Super Sonic Specials Eggman altered Sonic’s speed to age him to a senior whenever he used his speed.

[@joseacassio4164]

age manipulation is useless so it's ok

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@joseacassio4164 What, neither Mario and Sonic can age each other?

[@joseacassio4164]

@@porobotboyxxx I just remembered, since Super Sonic can manipulate reality, he can age Mario?

[@joseacassio4164]

@@porobotboyxxx If they both have counters for age manipulation, yes

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@joseacassio4164 What level of reality manipulation are you referring to?

[@damn9086]

Nice video! in my opinion , game sonic could defeat mario No need for archie sonic Mario's transformation only lasts for 12 seconds Sonic is much faster than mario he could just dodges him and wait until he goes back to his base Keep in mind that super sonic record is 3 days without going back to base form We saw that in sonic advance 3 Sonic is also extremly durable that mario can't hurt him easily Knuckles strength is as much as sonic's speed and sonic like we saw in the video has immesrabule speed And like we saw in sonic 3 he got hit by knuckles in their fight and he was still alive Sonic deserves the win

[@somerandomboi7045]

So you ignored everything that the dude said about mario?

[@damn9086]

@@somerandomboi7045 no I watched the whole 11min and I like how he got all their haxes but still I guess sonic wins this

[@somerandomboi7045]

@@damn9086 nope he both listed them as the same speed but mario is stronger and more durable than base sonic so he would oneshot, it's only with supersonic where it becomes close

[@damn9086]

@@somerandomboi7045 hello Sonic frontiers released Sonic mentioned tangle a charecter we never seen in the game but we seen in the comics That means that the comics are canon to game sonic Sonic>mario 100%

[@somerandomboi7045]

@@damn9086 ok and? Archie sonic isn't IDW sonic

[@porobotboyxxx]

20:10-20:17 Sonic can’t manipulate fate, the story and can’t get more powerful over time. Manipulating Fate was an excuse that Eggman and Mogul came up with of how they keep losing to Sonic, to not address their own incompetence. Even though they have beaten Sonic in the past (more consistent with Mogul than Eggman.) Sonic can’t alter the story unless it’s a story that he creates himself. Also since Sonic actually ages, the older he gets the weaker he’ll get just like with us humans. Game Sonic lives on a floating timeline and will never go beyond 15 years old and will continue to get stronger as time goes by, cause he won’t age.

[@ILikeSoda229]

Archie Sonic manipulated the story in the early issues of the comics because of those fan letters what would somehow affect what happened in the story. Also Game Sonic doesn’t get weaker as he ages, he actually gets more faster, powerful, stronger etc., so maybe Archie Sonic has something similar.

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@ILikeSoda229 Archie Sonic didn’t manipulate the story. Yes Game Sonic gets stronger as time goes by, but that doesn’t mean that works for Archie Sonic.

[@joseacassio4164]

no it wasn't an excuse they invented, you can't invent a cause, since in the comics they didn't say they invented an excuse or not

[@restaurantworried8031]

Their Is mario kun vs archie sonic(which is a unique debate)

[@porobotboyxxx]

10:40-10:46 Mario’s not a licensed doctor.

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

I love this point

[@imspector1506]

Well correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure he has a degree

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@imspector1506 Where does he have a degree?

[@imspector1506]

Google said engineering which doesn’t make sense

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@imspector1506 Say huh?

[@imthecoolest3884]

I feel as tho you can definitely up scale paper mario or use mario kun I've seen outer argument for both mario and sonic but sonics are more debunk able.

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

Thats severly incorrect simce sonics cosmology is vastly bigger than marios and has been confirmed to have multiple cosmological things by one of the writer like metaphysical concepts, all numbers and outright transcending concepts. Things nmario has none of. The most mario has is simply just multiple universes. The cosmology is just multiversal.

[@imthecoolest3884]

@A Kirisutokyōto (Comments Sometimes Delete. IdkY) metaphysics has been debunked and also do you have proof of what your saying? Also Ian Flynn isn't a reliable source as he never wrote the original story for sonic 006

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

@@imthecoolest3884 Metaphysics hasnt been debunked as the game itself says it. What the game says is abive what a rando thinks and ian flynn is one of the lore managers so thats faIse. Hes actually very reliable.

[@imthecoolest3884]

@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy Ian Flynn doesn't know shit call me when he wrote the story for 006

[@imthecoolest3884]

@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy and the secret rings

[@Ichi108]

Easy W for Sonic, lol.

[@yoshihell4160]

HAHAH NO

[@yoshihell4160]

he didn’t even know mario kun existed besides mario base > sonic base super sonic vs White Tanooki Mario and much more it’s not an easy win for sonic try again

[@Ichi108]

@@yoshihell4160 just shuddup, thank you.

[@afronautexplorer144]

@@yoshihell4160 HAHAHA NO

[@afronautexplorer144]

​@@yoshihell4160 sonic at base stomps mario. While people say mario is capable of lifting castles, Sonic is capable of destroying death eggs the size of a moon at his BASE form. Super Sonic CLAPS White Racoon Mario as he is capable of standing in lava. White tanooki form and star form can't even touch lava 😂

[@GS_Official120]

Next honest truth : Batman Vs Superman 😰

[@porobotboyxxx]

19:16-19:18 Archie Sonic doesn’t have continuous rising power, that’s Game Sonic’s shtick. It has shown in *25 years later* that Sonic’s power dwindles in his older age.

[@alfiebrown9711]

Sonic in base is universal/multiversal, this is due to erazor djinn who sonic defeated in base, erazor at this time has absorbed 101 universes making him multiversal, this isn't the only example but is the main one that demonstrate Mario's inferiority

[@speedosound4262]

@Alfie brown Base Sonic is not universal/multiversal, he is Star level at best, him fighting Erazor Djinn in base is an outlier since Erazor only has the power to destroy a universe in his Alf Layla form which Sonic defeated as Darkspine and Arabian Nights is ONE universe. Even if what you said was true, Mario defeated Dreamy Bowser who is the embodies universes calced to be over 5000 giving Mario superior to Sonic.

[@rofurtheweasil7298]

Speed O’ Sound Take also the fact that sonic defeated both Infinite and Eggman’s perfect phantom ruby, which at full power can create entire dimensions, which sonic was in his base form.

[@speedosound4262]

@@rofurtheweasil7298 The Phantom Ruby's power was weakened that time, so Sonic in base does not scale anywhere to that.

[@majesticeagle6629]

Speed of sound, dreamy bowser could also be an outlier, because there isnt any other feat that mario preformed that is even close to that. But if there is, please enlighten me.

[@speedosound4262]

@@majesticeagle6629 Do you even have proof of what you're saying because Mario performed other multi-universal feats.

[@hellzonefirebrigade3056]

Sonic encyclopedia states Solaris destroyed time and space in ALL dimensions and timelines which already puts him higher than you scaled. Maginary World is also a thing. there's also the existence of Astral Planes in sonic verse making it an even greater feat. Ntm there is no time limit on super form that is a game mechanic. Also keep in mind star cannon is not a speed feat but a reaction feat. Mario does not actually move that fast. Another thing to note. There are multiple levels of immeasurable speed. And Sonic has MUCH greater speed feats. And base Sonic has much higher durability than you gave him credit for just saying 🤷‍♂️

[@doomedgundam6684]

I own a copy of the Encyclo-speed-ia and it's never stated Solaris did that but it if stated he was going too of super sonic and the others didn't stop him. As for the Astal plane, that was within a book world and no context was ever given just that its called the Astral Plane. The Official Sonic Channel website confirms that the Super Form has a timelimit and duration.

[@DerinhoCooLBRX]

The only reason i say mario would lose it’s because unlike in the sonic universe where even today we are still getting and finding info about some old characters which makes them more pwr then what we originally thought ( solaris is the biggest example ) most if not all Marios main enemies are a one hit or in other words they appear in one game and then never return and thats for must if not his biggest feats too biggest examples being the RPG game which i may be wrong are yet to be confirmed cannon in the mario universe but excluding that almost all of the finale bosses or pwrs showed in does games only appear in does games ( the RPGS ) but when it comes to the rest of the games they are all connected so just like paper mario and archie sonic we can mario from the rpg games is technically a different character but hey you do you with this info i am out here right a long ass comment cuz i can

[@speedosound4262]

@The Derin You do realise that all you mentioned for Mario are just gameplay mechanics right? Also, Mario's canonicity is confirmed not to be set and officially unrecognised meaning every game including the RPGs are indeed canon compared to Sonic which follows a set canon.

[@Gojo-CUH-1356]

@@speedosound4262explain paper jam then if they’re the same character he even said it in the video

[@speedosound4262]

@@Gojo-CUH-1356 Still canon, Paper Mario world is just separate.

[@GoofyRaider8000]

Only thing you got wrong was that its been canonically confirmed super Sonic does have wish granting he can pretty much wish for whatever he wants which makes sense when you consider that the chaos emeralds hold infinite amounts of power

[@Jd-dh5tf]

Cool

[@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed]

Mario fans are gonna get mad, but Sonic destroys and it's not even close. Sonic is way too fast, Mario's feats aren't as strong and can be debunked with one sentence, the Chaos Emeralds are way more powerful than all of Mario's power ups combined, and finally, Sonic has more biq and bexp so Sonic wins.

[@MarioGamer2.0657]

Fanboy

[@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed]

@@MarioGamer2.0657 also fanboy cause I know what you're gonna say when I debunk Mario

[@MarioGamer2.0657]

@@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed Have u played Mario galaxy?

[@MarioGamer2.0657]

@@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed It's also u again, don't get me wrong, I like both equally.

[@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed]

@@MarioGamer2.0657 Yes and I'm trying to get luigi

[@SonZackSSJ2]

You forgot About Culex from Mario RPG who is stronger than Super Dimentio because he Created the Mario Verse so Mario also has Fate Resistance.

[@BowserEditz]

Culex is not above super Dimentio LMAO Culex only created the Mortal realm of Mario that's Outerversal not the Cosmology The Cosmology of mario can get to Boundless Super Dimentio is Boundless But culex is the 2nd strongest villain in Mario tho

[@SonZackSSJ2]

@@BowserEditz Opinions changed, I agree with you.

[@bigmacchasi]

Wait a minute what about all of Sonic's super forms ? Super , hyper , werehog purple form from secret rings and black knight , dark sonic I know dark sonic is from the cartoon but he looks cool I had to add him in

[@El_GamerNstuff.]

canonically, they're best friends so they wouldn't fight. also, we should really be arguing about mario and sonic vs someone like creative steve

[@nuzlite]

i actually have a video on that (minus the sonic part)

[@speedosound4262]

Good point.

[@Adrian_Is_In_Debt]

Just asking but isn’t paper Mario and mainline Mario different characters because of paper jam?

[@helluvabosslover2009]

well here's the thing. There have been numerous times throughout the mario franchise where they have proven to be the same for instance when on the box of TTYD it has been implied that Paper Mario is a form of Mario. Miyamoto even said so himself. Paper Jam doesn't prove anything because that Paper Mario is an different version of the paper Mario we normally see.

[@AutumnLeaf06]

I mean, you don't even need paper jam. Turn regular Mario into a paper aeroplane, and maybe there'd be a point

[@cooperseeto6099]

no one gonna talk about his mistake in pronouncing knuckles

[@powerlol5778]

yo im not sure if youl ever doe something like cartoons but id love for you to do an MLP ( my little pony ) video ( also fyi the comics are canon )

[@AnimationDude_]

Imo Base Mario beats Base Sonic with extreme difficulty but Super Sonic solos everything Canon Mario has in his arsenal Ah, yeah, that's a good point, even if you ignore the No Limits Fallacy related to Star Mario being "Invincible", Super Sonic DOES have durability negation, doesn't he? (Also something else, via cosmology, both Base Game Sonic and Base Game Mario can be scaled to low complex multiversal, too)

[@joseacassio4164]

sorry,but no

[@CYBERKINGSONIX200]

I think Sonic will win in a fight against mario because if there is no rules sonic would get an advantage against mario but if there's rules I think it would go either way it's a tie if it has rules.

[@yona3271]

no sonic in generations was trying to do the reset button and I think its not really his speed it's maybe him entering times where he was doing the fights or stuff like that but remember modern sonic fucking stomped on perfect chaos and then getting stronger in the end of sonic forces which defeating infinite who has a star lvl scale but then sonic may reached near that level in base he needed some help by our character

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

I will say that Sonic has been shown to get stronger and stronger after each game. When previously, it took Super Sonic to defeat perfect chaos, now he can do it in base with less hits. Now with that in mind, let's take into account that Solaris was stated to eat dimensions casually, and Infinite in Forces (hate to bring up Forces, but it is a thing so here it is.) was stated to be the strongest foe Sonic had ever faced. So depending on whether or not you interpret that as Infinite being stronger than Solaris is up to you, but let's take that as it is said. That would mean that Sonic as he is now in base could take out Solaris.

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

Also, Tails said in Generations that Sonic was fixing time with his speed alone.

[@yona3271]

@@lefeeshchopped8286 true but no toxic mario fan or toxic goku fan would accept it really even sonic fought infinite and lost and then literally was able to destroy him in the end of it all of that in base.

[@yona3271]

@@lefeeshchopped8286 no one really would care for this feat but there is a thing sonic gets stronger like saiyans but like by just existing he gets stronger

[@yona3271]

proven in sonic forces.

[@porobotboyxxx]

6:53-6:58 The only reason why Sonic *”survived”* existence erasure was because Eggman had the Time Eater pull Sonic into White Space, so Eggman could kill Sonic *”himself.”*

[@khalidsaeedali8756]

When did eggman sey he pull sonic?

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@khalidsaeedali8756 Eggman said he wanted to destroy Sonic himself with the use of the Time Eater. Plus the White Void is a location somewhere in the Sonic Cosmology, which means that Sonic was taken there against his will while he was unconscious. Plus the White Void continued to exist after Sonic’s Universe was restored and the Time Eater was dead.

[@khalidsaeedali8756]

@@porobotboyxxx no in Sonic generations 3DS eggman said himself he want to destroy sonic that he sand time eater to beat/kill sonic And literally just because White Void is location doesn't mean time eater didnt use existin unsure on sonic like other (except few) and literally classic sonic side story show time eater in past charging energy attack (Not like boss fight) aim it classic sonic instead of open portal like modern sonic side story (And don't sey it's normal move) so no he didnt take sonic against his well and he actually did try to trap Sonic like his friends

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@khalidsaeedali8756 Uh no, if the Time Eater wanted to trap Sonic like his friends it would have especially since the Time Eater was considerably more powerful than Sonic. If it wanted to trap Sonic, than it would have sucked Sonic into a portal too and suck the life out of him. But instead Sonic was sent to the White Void instead, why? Because Eggman instructed it too. If the Time Eater had the opportunity to turn Sonic into a statue (and it could it knocked him out) but Eggman said no to that, because Eggman’s confirmed to be inept.

[@khalidsaeedali8756]

@@porobotboyxxx uh no if time eater did left sonic alone And unconscious eggman wouldn't like that cus he himself said in Sonic generations 3DS that he's one who sand And want time eater to beat/kill sonic And also sonic fight back time eater upgrade 1 or 2( reminder you eggman have time eater upgrade 1 too 3)generations 3DS modern sonic with classic tails so he Can fight.... Well 1 or 2 And why eggman need to sand time eater every time? Cus he want to destroy/kill sonic And why didn't time eater open portal to classic sonic like other (Not modern sonic) instead of use attack powerful (that classic sonic survive The attack) and When confirm did eggman sey he tell time eater to not damage sonic When he himself confirm want sonic dead before final boss Speech in Sonic generations 3DS Version so no eggman did want sonic dead by use time eater And eggman confirm that

[@hanezutchins2786]

Id have to say that with mainline games in mind, and with no power ups allowed, Sonic stomps Mario mid to low difficulty. However with power-ups Mario pretty much snags the win immediately, using the White Tanooki Leaf. Infinite invincibility. Remember, the emeralds do have a limit. Sonic cant stay super forever. Base form moveset-wise, Sonic has the insta-shield and the homing attack, which is brutal. Mario has his jump, spin jump, and his punch-punch-kick combo from 64. Not to mention he is very agile. But since Sega has also come out and said everything is canon on the official Sonic Twitter while everything in Mario has been alluded to also being canon, its hard to say. Mario is an absolute monster with his entire ability set and arsenal from every game. Sonic, with everything being canon, is also equally as much of a monster. But this is just my opinion, i wouldnt take this at face value. Its just my belief.

[@thestickmansavioryt1941]

Keep in mind ALL official Mario things are canon to Sonic's world, but Sonic's world isn't canon to Mario's (If that makes any sense at all)

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

It is debatable whether or not you can truly call White Tanooki infinite due to the fact it times out after you beat the levels. So its time limit would technically last as long as the level timer does.

[@hanezutchins2786]

@@lefeeshchopped8286 That's actually a good point. With this in mind, we would just have to compare the limits of both the emeralds and the White Tanooki Leaf.

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

@@hanezutchins2786 Yep pretty much. And honestly, that can go either way. The white Tanooki has a more consistently long timer, but Super Sonic has the ability to last a lot longer if Sonic gets a ton of rings.

[@hyperbeam7498]

The emeralds are coupled with the word "Infinite power" every time they get mentioned, by manuals, statements from characters, they canonically contain infinite energy. "Sonic cant stay super forever." The end of Sonic Advance shows him staying in Super for multiple days, the ring limit is non canon.

[@yona3271]

fun fact mario has a weakness he can fall but he would be hurt for a bit and then come back and sonic has infinite stamina

[@speedosound4262]

Infinite stamina? He literally got caught up by that explosion he outran moments later because he lost his speed boost

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@speedosound4262 He said stamina, not infinite boost. There's a difference since boosting is a game mechanic.

[@speedosound4262]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 Boost isn't a mechanic, Sonic can already do it.

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@speedosound4262 The only times he could do it is either after collecting rings, destroying enemies, or when with an OC. It isn't based on stamina, but a mechanic he has based on certain criteria.

[@speedosound4262]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 It's based on stamina, that's why he is stated to run faster than the speed of light in base in the modern era and why he couldn't outrun the explosion in Sonic Colours.

[@nicolethomas7168]

Mario is the speed of sound at best

[@porobotboyxxx]

6:24-6:32 When did Sonic resist Anti-Matter, Poisons and Instant Death again?

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

He already stated one instance of the Instant Death one with the Eye Of Solaris, but there can also be arguments where in many cutscenes of games like in 06 and Generations, where reality, time, etc is erased, Sonic's body is unaffected by the ability. Anti-Matter and poisons are probably instances from Frontiers, where Sonic has to deal with the corruption inflicted upon him after defeating Titans, although it's more of a tolerence than resistance since he IS affected by it at the end before his friends help by taking on that burden.

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 I can understand the Eye of Solaris in 06, due to Sonic being Super Sonic. But for in his base, Eggman stated that they were pulled into the spatial distortion hence why they were unaffected. As for Generations, Eggman had the Time Eater drag them all into White Space which he admitted too. Wait, wait, wait, the corruption inflicted on Sonic was Anti-Matter?

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@porobotboyxxx Well, I don't know if I can completely agree on the last part since Eggman didn't have COMPLETE control over TimeEater, and he only dragged Sonic's friends into the White Space where they were all frozen in time, while Sonic was knocked out before waking up there... But I can understand where you're coming from with the other one. And I'm not entirely sure if it's Anti-Matter or not since we aren't exactly told what it is, but also now that I remember, Sonic Unleashed is where the Anti-Matter truly comes from due to the Boss of the game and the enemies you fight as the Werehog.

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 Dark Gaia is Anti-Matter?

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 Also I believe Eggman had some control over the Time Eater since he admitted he trapped Sonic and his friends in White Space in the DS version.

[@porobotboyxxx]

4:32-4:34 I don’t remember Sonic being able to attack Ghosts.

[@imspector1506]

Well he was able to attack water so it’s safe to say that he’s able to attack ghost

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@imspector1506 Water and ghost are two different things… oh wait Knuckles did attack King Boo Boom when he became visible.🤔

[@imspector1506]

@@porobotboyxxx your right

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@imspector1506 Hmm…

[@sonicbattleplayer5762]

2:25 It's not hard to pronounce "Emerl" you know.

[@liamgaming6752]

I know someone is gonna debunk this.

[@AutumnLeaf06]

Try*

[@awsomedude2.053]

My favorite part 16:00

[@awsomedude2.053]

Before you say "just another Mario fan" NO all ur calculations are correct but you never counted comic Mario not even Mario kun and no this is not about the part when you said sonic wins because of Archie sonic reason is because you said that's just ur opinion and you said it was just too much for Mario to handle

[@porobotboyxxx]

7:46-8:00 Really? When has Sonic used body puppetry?😳 Also when has Sonic used magnetism?🤔

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

I don't know about that first one, but the thunder shield is a thing. Don't really know how much that would entirely do

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@lefeeshchopped8286 Oh yeah, I forgot about the Thunder Shield.

[@KirbyOfficiel]

Conclusion : Motobug win

[@AutumnLeaf06]

Conclusion: kirbywins

[@user-md7yt2sw2s]

Lets just agree that sonic and mario are tied

[@porobotboyxxx]

5:08-5:10 When did Sonic heal people again?

[@khalidsaeedali8756]

Sonic X

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@khalidsaeedali8756 Oh yeah, he healed Chris.🤔

[@yona3271]

fun fact sonic isn't cocky he is fucking cocky to his rivals and eggman remember most of time that sonic was cocky he would've like acted super saiyan 2 gohan in cell saga like fuck

[@porobotboyxxx]

17:14-17:19 *Game Sonic:* HA!🤣 No he isn’t.😒

[@DaBaseBallZ]

Goofy ahh debate

[@ZLbreakerprime]

Sonic vs Mario in a fight is an easy stomp to sonic

[@yona3271]

mario was sitting in a star to travel not him traveling by himself so please correct that

[@nuzlite]

he was controlling the star to move as he wanted, so it should bare minimum scale to his reaction time, so please correct that

[@yona3271]

mario doesn't have unmeasurable speed btw not anything that happens once is a real thing like mario kicking a castle

[@imthecoolest3884]

@@yona3271 huh ? I'm confused

[@yona3271]

The star makes Mario travel more like a car but why huh?

[@imthecoolest3884]

@Yo na ? Ok anyway at the end of Yoshi new island mario time travel just by jumping so that's immeasurable speed right there

[@Aesc_the_voyager]

Giving sonic everything is just not fair to Mario

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

For Archie Sonic, you can just use Paper Mario or Mario-Kun

[@fontanermario]

Mario kun is enough to easily beat up archie sonic dude that's a mario comp with power brutally exaggerated by his toonforce xd

[@That_one_guy710]

True

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

Archie solos the whole Mario verse.

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

@@cirnosnumberfan6449 Yeah sure buddy, the Archiverse TOTALLY isn't only 6D

[@That_one_guy710]

@@TylerOfChaosYT lol

[@HaiderRaps]

as a Sonic fan my self, i'll say, Mario>>>Sonic Mid-Low diff in terms of scaling but Sonic>>>Mario No-diff, in terms of Character

[@misterowl436]

wow, did you like, read a script or was this improv

[@kongspideyzilla653]

Wasn't Base Sonic scaled to be high outerversal and base Mario is scaled to just outerversal?

[@wooly4648]

Neither character reaches that in any iteration regardless of form. What are you on about???

[@speedosound4262]

Neither come close to Outer, both Mario's and especially Sonic's Outeversal scaling got debunked several times.

[@kongspideyzilla653]

@@speedosound4262 Think you can send me a link to these debunks?

[@kongspideyzilla653]

@Wooly I did have a question about that because two people on Quora said that Mario made it up to outerversal and base Sonic to high outerversal. The channel Underrated Underdog posted a couple of videos about Mario and Sonic's power level that base Sonic is high outerversal, Super Sonic is apparently Boundless, and base Mario is just outerversal. If you're curious, type in Mario more powerful than you think in the search, and you will probably find the video. He also has two videos about Sonic, titled Sonic one of the most powerful characters in fiction in two parts. If you can't find it just add the name Underrated Underdog after the name Mario more powerful than you think in the search.

[@kongspideyzilla653]

@Speed O'Sound So would you say that Mario and Sonic are both equal and both are just Universal to Multiversal.

[@porobotboyxxx]

19:19-19:22 Regeneration and Size Manipulation?🤨

[@VenomSnake2137]

Well I would say that Super Mario Kun woul be able to beat Arhcie Sonic because he defeated Bowser he defeated inarnation of the writer of the manga so Imo Mario Kun wins

[@yoshihell4160]

Let’s say it tie they both have similar powers

[@porobotboyxxx]

6:15-6:17 Sonic doesn’t have resistance to Age manipulation, Sonic Mania has him turned into a kid with a special ray made by Eggman.

[@noahjackson9359]

Most of this video, is you talking about sonics abilities

[@eliminor1582]

Sonic wins

[@praiseosa-ogunbor3510]

Deku vs gon rematch

[@nuzlite]

deku still stomps

[@ljthehedgehog2342]

I miss sonic beating erazor dijin

[@speedosound4262]

Defeating final form erazor with the world rings to become Darkspine Sonic.

[@ljthehedgehog2342]

@@speedosound4262 no before that he fights him in base before the end of the game

[@speedosound4262]

@@ljthehedgehog2342 I mean final form erazor.

[@ljthehedgehog2342]

@@speedosound4262 he did beat final form erazor with less world rings and he beat erazor in base before that

[@speedosound4262]

@@ljthehedgehog2342 He was darkspine when defeating final form.

[@thestickmansavioryt1941]

Sonic's cosmology consists of confirmed canon of all Sonic media. (All the games, movies, shows, commercials, comics, official artwork, animations, and everything else exist in the same world.) I'm not saying Archie Sonic and Game Sonic are the same Sonic, but what I am saying is that all official Sonic makings are canon as in existing in the same world. This makes Sonic's "multiverse" much, much bigger. If Solaris was truly destroy all existing timelines, that includes timelines of all Sonic media. This scales Solaris high outerversal to infinite layers beyond boundless. The game Sonic The Hedgehog's (2006) manual says that Sonic is infact capable of defeating Solaris alone. This scales Super Sonic higher than Solaris who has no bounds. Infinite (The character) is canonically stronger then all of Sonic's past enemies which includes Solaris. At the end of Sonic Forces, Sonic defeats Infinite in base form. Solaris < 06 Super Sonic

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

If you're referring to that "Everything is Canon" tweet, it was a joke bro 💀

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

Solaris is only 5D, since he's above time and space.

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

I think you got it mixed up. Sonic is only capable of beating Solaris in ONE timeline. Solaris exists in multiple timelines.

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

Mario's multiverse can be scaled to 11D with Paper Mario, so no, it can't be ignored.

[@fontanermario]

Bruh Solaris

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

Nah

[@SpamtonDesalesman]

Game sonic claps game mario.

[@speedosound4262]

Game Mario claps Game Sonic.

[@speedosound4262]

@pakilerobinson2451 Game Mario claps Game Sonic.

[@AutumnLeaf06]

​@@speedosound4262 only if you nerf Sonic into the ground

[@cringemariobros2516]

you do know all marios are the seme ?

[@Gojo-CUH-1356]

No they’re not just a cringe statement you say

[@speedosound4262]

@@Gojo-CUH-1356 They are the same. Most of Mario's are alter-egos and other's are Mario's parallels.

[@cringemariobros2516]

@@Gojo-CUH-1356 no

[@AutumnLeaf06]

Paper mario is different but the others are the same