Just print a PCB (HOW TO)

[@bruderdasisteinschwerermangel]

that's pretty cool, but malls with uv printers..? never seen that around here in Schnitzelland

[@darkshadowsx5949]

Hold on dude. not only is my nearest mall over an hour away but chances of them having this kiosk is questionable.

[@Ezio-Auditore94]

This is the good out of the box ideas that can change the way we make things. This can save so much time if your current method is down, and if you didn't have any means to do it, all of a sudden you have

[@nocultist7050]

4 years and this is still not a common knowledge. World is a bad place. Thanks for working towards making it better

[@oa1700]

Another method that I found is using spray paint as photoresist and etching it with a laser. It should have better resolution than most UV printers (I know that some fiber lasers can do 5000+ DPI). A UV printer can also be used for printing a "silkscreen" after the board is finished though, so it can have 2 uses :)

[@mac_uk5464]

I made a PCB for my college project, 1. Put your design onto an acetate sheet ( Printers can print on acetate). 2. Lay acetate design over a photo-etch pcb, & expose to UV light. 3. etch your board in the normal way. We did it in 1980's.

[@newthinkingtechnologies7914]

I actually like your video, idea and narrative style very much.

[@RAndrewNeal]

Interesting. I recently aquired a laser engraver for the same purpose, except it's burning a pattern in the etch resist (black spray paint) that I previously applied, effectively making it a negative of your process, which is really cool. If I knew about that, I may have considered it instead.

[@tonikay8324]

I tried this method many times and I gave up because the burned spray layer (removed by the laser) keeps an isolated layer of burned spray which the etching solution doesn't reach I even tried to remove the burned spray layer with soap and water but it also failed

[@RAndrewNeal]

@@tonikay8324 It's a delicate balance; definitely not the most effective solution. The paint has to adhere perfectly, and the burnt paint needs scrubbed off, which can cause damage to the mask where it's supposed to stay. I've found that for simple one-offs, drawing the traces with a Sharpie works just fine. For anything with any complexity to it or something you'll want to produce more than one of, you could go the silk screen printing method. But don't be discouraged if it fails miserably the first time; there's a learning curve to everything. Or you could order PCBs from OSH Park. They're an American company that provides inexpensive boards to low volume customers (hobbyists, etc.). I really like them because I'm not shipping my money over to China when I use them. They aren't as cheap as the Chinese, but it supports the American economy and our autonomy.

[@tonikay8324]

@@RAndrewNeal, good, you're supporting your economy keep America great, but I'm not from the US, thanks for the advice though

[@RAndrewNeal]

@@tonikay8324 Ah, well you're welcome. Maybe there's a low volume board house more local to you, if you ever need boards that are too much to fabricate on your own reasonably. I just try to avoid China whenever possible, and that is one way I found. I'd also like to keep my designs out of the IP-stealing hands of Chinese manufacturers. lol

[@tonikay8324]

@@RAndrewNeal, yep, reject communist china, embrace the christendom

[@mahadotube]

i just started doing my own pcbs, and toner transfer worked fine from the first try for me.

[@jeremiaskorndorfersouza4922]

I live in Brazil bro. I buy a 10w laser to make PCB and some fine cuttings because we don't have that technology around.

[@sheepman6291]

How accurate would the printer be if you flipped the board over? Do you think double sided is possible?

[@deepakmecheri4668]

I'm definitely going to try this out for our mini project this semester

[@virgilsutopia839]

What are you making?

[@x87alpha1]

if you're going to use a UV printer, may as well get a mini-vinyl cutter and use it. You'll get the same result.

[@PedroHernandez-sm8lg]

Thanks for posting this! I just bought a used flatbed inkjet printer for making PCB's. I'm really excited to try this out!

[@Behrooz-H]

Have you tried this method for component layout (white) on top side of the PCB? If component and soldier mask layers are scratch resistance and of high quality, I may consider buying a UV printer for my DIY projects.

[@rickpontificates3406]

I used to make homemade boards back in the 1970's - 1980's and it was always the same.. buy a pre-photosensitized PCB in a black wrapper, layout my pattern on mylar film with thin layout tape and an exacto blade, expose it to sunlight in a glass holder, strip the unexposed copper, etch the board and DRILL BABY DRILL. It would be easier today with everything being SMD, but the density of traces on my boards is also much higher now. Man! If I had a way to make good test prototypes now instead of going straight to production runs!

[@edgeeffect]

Really like the style of your video...it could probably keep a copyright lawyer in work for a year.... but it flows really well.

[@bardenegri21]

Very cool, never saw this process being suggested before. I'm definitely going to give it a try. Multumesc mult!

[@virgilsutopia839]

Cu placere :)

[@EXplorer1.6180]

@@virgilsutopia839 Can you name some sites to download the example pcb design files. I'm a Mech Engineer and need it in dxf or dwg format

[@ememeable]

Hi I hope all is well with you and the family Its been a while since this video I need your assistance regarding uv printer I would like to purchase one however cannot afford the thousands for now Maybe in the future if I should ever make a sale I don't know if you have ab idea we're to purchase them even if refurbished once I have also seen 3d resin printers with UV curling lights I thought I ask you if that is ok Finally the etching chemicals required Sincerely ejike

[@macho8555]

Nice idea to be onest , thank you

[@pioneer1943]

This is.... GENIUS!!!

[@RodrigoVzq]

This is brilliant.

[@jackevans2386]

Malls with UV printers ? None here in Christchurch New Zealand yet.

[@stevekamala]

Thanks for the video, i have an issue, the etching removes the uv before properly etching the board . I am using hcl and hydrogen peroxide

[@murraymadness4674]

All the malls have closed...where can I get a uv printer?

[@shawnmelanson9828]

how does this compare to the laser engraver method?

[@ZdravkoZdravko]

Hahah, nice picture - mall from Bulgaria :)😃

[@mortaldrumming]

good idea. what if I want to do a 2 layer pcb with this method?

[@virgilsutopia839]

Drill a hole first for alignment.

[@yvesinformel221]

@@virgilsutopia839 unless you have your own setup, that won't be possible.

[@TheDIYer]

Can i use it for tssop footprint?

[@DanG-ug1ed]

Same problem with most pcb making videos. how do you register front to back for double sided printing? how do you plate through the holes? Nice try, interesting, but no cigar.

[@HHHarry09]

Nice test pattern. Would you mind sharing it?

[@virgilsutopia839]

It's called "Laen's etching test board". You can find it at dorkbotpdx dot org/blog/laen/adventures_in_etching_the_test_pattern

[@yvesplusquin6708]

I have a CNC Router driller Jot / ozo automation with automatic tool change (it had a photoplotter but cannot find one). Can you use a laser engraver ? like 10 or 40W? Or where do you find a uv head?. The advantage of my cnc is I have pins to revert the Double face and the drill can be aligned . I have also a pen holder. Do you think pen paint will work? (this crazy machine works under dos with a PC386DX but I still do the maintenance and programming on it)

[@beanieteamie7435]

this is cool, thanks for sharing.

[@larrybud]

Home PCBs are very easy, but you need to do it right: 1) The magazine thing is not ideal. Get real transfer paper 2) While every video I see shows someone cleaning the board, you also need to etch the full copper in your FeCl BEFORE transferring, You only need to throw it in the bath for 30 seconds or so. Then rinse it off. It will come out dull copper. The toner will stick MUCH better to it than a shiny board, even if you try to rough it up with steel wool or scotchbrite. 3) a regular clothes iron is lousy. I use a hobby iron used for covering RC airplanes. Set it and CHECK the temp. It needs to be 300 deg F. Also the iron itself needs to be flat, and then, very importantly, you need to FLATTEN it again on sandpaper! 320 grit works well. This thing needs to be dead flat. I regularly transfer very delicate lines very successfully. With the transfer paper (it's actually clear plastic), you can SEE when the toner has transferred, and you can lay it back down in case something didn't transfer over.

[@WJCarpenter]

Your results look great, but I have a question or two about the mall kiosks. What has UV got to do with it? Do they have various colors of ink that they then cure under UV? If so, I guess that's because it's better than just having various colors of permanent ink (without UV curing)? Or do they just use say they use UV because they haven't thought of saying "blockchain" yet? :-) BTW, the hard part of home PCB making for me was always drilling the million little holes for through-hole components. The etching part was always lousy-but-good-enough.

[@virgilsutopia839]

Yeah the mall kiosks use full color UV printers to put photos on phone cases, keychains, water bottles and stuff like that. Just look for any place that does personalized gifts or trophies. Chances are they have a UV printer under the desk.

[@genadigospodinov5467]

1:31 Mall of Burgas?

[@RaduOleniuc]

Good idea, I like the creativity. What do you think, making silver ink with some UV compounds would work? As printing on some other materials instead of PC would be so much better.

[@PeteTum]

Very informative video and a great idea.

[@stevekamala]

thanks for the upload

[@andrewwatts1997]

One major problem with this approach is, double sides pcb's are impossible to do this way. otherwize it seems lke a good way to make pcb's.

[@yvesinformel221]

if you own the printer, you could rig something for registration

[@lotfiboukellala4583]

Do you try lazer pcb

[@bruce-le-smith]

great video thank you, useful and entertaining

[@digimations2983]

Hi. Your video is very informative and seems very useful. I have been on the search for such solution . Many people have failed because inks must be suitable for etch resist. I hear that lithojet inks are suitable for this job but uv print shops are not willing to try inks on their machines. Another question is resolution of the printer .What resolution are you printing?.So can you share with us printer type (head type if possible) and inks used. I got some tests with a local shop here but the dot dispersion won't justify at all the 1mil line you are showing . Great video though .Thanks.

[@iam_mayurpatil]

how do we solder electronic components on this PCBs, is it done by normal soldering process ??

[@MLJohnsonian]

I give you one thumbs-up for the helpful video, and a dozen virtual thumbs-up for the accent. Your real name is Boris, right? Don't disappoint me.

[@imjeffvaderofficial]

Nope. Given that the mall has the present kiosk named in Romanian, but on the mall the OTP Bank name is in Cyrillic, I suggest he is from Moldova.

[@roboticus3647]

Nice! I've been using photosensitive boards and find them convenient, but don't always have blanks. I'm thinking I may have to try using UV curable ink on a board, then print to a transparency, and then expose via a UV lamp. Then I can prep blanks easily.

[@SianaGearz]

No. Just buy a roll of dry film photo resist that you can roll onto a blank copper clad PCB. Try getting a consistent layer thickness with a liquid? Better not.

[@MatthewKanwisher]

Great video, make sure more videos!

[@Georgeelhindi]

You almost had me, you cheeky cheeky man

[@koaasst]

i think ive seen methods like this where some sort of printer protects the copper while you etch it and then just remove the ink. maybe it was this method.. probably not that dot matrix printer though.. dang that thing was loud, and the paper had holes in it to ride the lightning

[@Investor_2000]

Game changer I’d say.

[@RixtronixLAB]

Nice video, like it, thanks for sharing :)

[@owengenesiscacal7973]

Great video....it's help me a lot

[@dhruvpatel2149]

I was use polise remover and iron both i found good result

[@namename8986]

wouldnt they all be connected together?

[@abigails.7281]

What software do you use to design the circuit path for PCP board?

[@Patrickelectronics]

1 mil is equal to .0254mm. Your 1mil and 5 mil is breaking up. You need to use 8 mil...because that line shows good all the way thru. That means you can't go below .1mm.

[@ovi_4]

The vast majority of people in the world do not live near a business that has a UV printer nor have they ever heard of such thing at all . So you're simply stuck !?!?! No, that would NOT help a lot of people surely not. In my opinion, If one is skillful enough to be able to modify a normal laminator to heat up 195 - 205 degrees "C" and perhaps slow down the speed of the laminator by using a simple 555 IC timer circuit + a relay to drive/switch the motor say for instance : 4 seconds Forward and 2 seconds Reverse (and so on) the Toner Transfer Method is still one of the Best and the Most Effective/Affordable/Accessible Method with NOT too many chemicals and steps involved.

[@mubafaw]

Brilliant 👏

[@ejonesss]

what is the radio rat fg" you show the board at the beginning

[@virgilsutopia839]

It's a Super Simple iPod FM Transmitter. You can find it on electronics-diy dot com

[@alexstone691]

Sadly I don't have one available anywhere near me

[@GiocondoSticca]

HP LaserJet P1102w + laminator = same results without any problem. With a modified cartridge (with a white toner powder ordered on aliexpress) I can make also the pcb silkscreen ;-)

[@evertspies3345]

How about a video showing how its done.

[@kirilnedev]

Доста интересно, не бях чувал за тези принтери.... в TheMall наистина ли имат такова и къде?

[@nikicha98]

Are you from Bulgaria?? The mall?

[@serdombr401]

it is impossible to perform on both sides, so is the problem of drilling.

[@TX2015]

Probably the only downside to this method is owning/finding a place with UV printers. Where I live (latin America), no kiosc or mall has these at all. Neither can I find them being sold anywhere.

[@Leezorc]

Laser printer works fine too. Just do a search on google

[@WhatAmIGonnaGet]

Such a pain in the ass with laser. You need a perfectly flawless print which only seems to come from a brand new printer. The toner is expensive. Once the printer starts with the lines or faded areas, it is not useful for pcb printing.

[@jugnu361]

Ohh Thanks

[@jasons5152]

Although I could be surprised, but I would see a kiosk charging no less than $10 to print...Good in a pinch, but doesn't seem cost effective for mass production.

[@djvaliro]

so then an modified inkjet printer should work aswell.

[@imjeffvaderofficial]

As long as it may print in vector mode (as opposed to dots) and can handle solid surfaces instead of flexible sheets. So that's rather a plotter.

[@jasondaniel3594]

Thank you for this

[@KanalFrump]

Good tip! Thanks!

[@virgilsutopia839]

My pleasure. I hope it helps!

[@robertstanca4550]

How much do you generally pay per board (in RON).

[@virgilsutopia839]

20-30 RON depending on the board and the shop

[@CollinBaillie]

Never seen one of these in Australia.

[@chikenpaww]

Next video, how to modified epson printer to using uv ink

[@poijmc606]

Yikes! That's sick! Too easy to be true, must try

[@chloemcholoe3280]

My problem is with the aciiid ;( also I’ve never seen the uv printing things

[@attilarivera]

Does it really exist?

[@jeanyves5380]

Yes but since you do not know the quality of that printer : you can expect anything and most bad thing most of the time. The simplest solution is to project an uv image on the board after having sprading it with sensitive resine..

[@OKOK-hm2is]

Why would it be bad? I mean, resolution for typical hobby-grade pcb board is times higher that resolution of typical photos people make on this printers

[@2roti]

Merci!

[@robertnickels1527]

Looks very interesting thanks. But you obviously went through a solder or similar plating step after etching as your test board does not show bare copper traces.

[@virgilsutopia839]

Nope. That's the bare copper just under flash. It was very nice and shiny. If you mean the photo where the traces are black that's before the UV ink is removed with rubbing alcohol.

[@Spllit1]

oh cool

[@heckyes]

Great!

[@DzpcbElectronicWorld]

Be careful to not use any photo you found on the internet in you videos, some owners of these photos maybe don't agree with that without their permission.

[@alejandroperez5368]

Do they hold a copyright on those photos? no? Okay then, bye.

[@channelname10yearsago68]

@@alejandroperez5368 it's called intellectual property. How about reposting videos from other KZbinrs? They didn't file copyrights for it. Why can't I just repost? Search for Intellectual Property Rights

[@stevepreskitt283]

@@alejandroperez5368 Can't speak for the rest of the world, but in the U.S., yes, they do hold copyright on their work as soon as it's fixed in a medium even if it's not registered. You might want to learn a little more about how things work before getting snarky with people.

[@kfcmcdonalds]

👍

[@tomtim2111]

Very Nice.......Would you make some for me and how much thanks again

[@3dmixer552]

Uv printer at least 5 times more expensive than cnc. What are you talking about?

[@freeman4726]

Subscribed

[@christiancoding]

1:00 Romania lol

[@attilarivera]

It is really Utopia

[@mateuszabramek7015]

Yeah cool, or... 3D print one matrix and paint as many boards by yourself as you want

[@noway8233]

Itsnot very practical to searvh for a uv printer , i never seen that thing Where i lived, and i duibr they ate gone use it with a pc bord , not practical

[@firmman4505]

sandwich foil Do you mean cling film?

[@imjeffvaderofficial]

Yes, that.

[@sabrinavaillant6221]

1:55 "go down to the ????? with a UV printer..." what ??? other parts of video are useless.

[@edwardidema]

still way too many steps, with too many chemicals

[@GoatZilla]

S-M-R-T

[@finonomastropiero4261]

Virgin Utopia

[@finonomastropiero4261]

Love you, many thanks