how TSM ImperialHal & PirateSoftware FOUND a *HUGE* Lead on Destroyer2009 ALGS Hack Situation!

TSM ImperialHal & PirateSoftware just FOUND a HUGE Clue on Destroyer2009 ALGS Hack Situation!
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[@sneevus]

Piratesoftware saying "when the bloodhound is on your case, you're done". Poetic.

[@Destruction52]

That was amazing

[@Nrod1332]

"it starts to unravel" he said

[@sneevus]

@@Nrod1332 bet your fun at parties

[@flyinchancla3545]

What’s funny is that I’m 95% sure he doesn’t know Bloodhound is a character in game lol

[@Nrod1332]

@@sneevus That's not how you use that either lol

[@Eric-rh8jr]

Hal's chat are full time yappers

[@TheGoldenApex]

As one of his chat members I agree!

[@xCODYSSEUS]

That’s just twitch in general.

[@TonyRockHard]

Apex players...

[@SnackPatrol]

I never understood why people type shit into chat with streams that are so popular everything you type flies by. Who do these people think are reading the shit they type? It blows my mind. People asking questions and shit like an actual dialogue is going to form or something.

[@tropixi5336]

@@SnackPatrol thats my thoughts on it

[@lewisshemery2585]

People don't realize the fact that he's giving all this info for free is insane. I work in cybersecurity and companies pay A LOT of money for consultation like this.

[@lokifistify]

This legit would have ran thousands easy

[@jrod1591]

This Thor guys is awesome and I’m worried that destroyer is also a seasoned pro and is listening to this advice to backtrack and be stronger

[@semaph0re]

No it's not. This is basic knowledge for anyone involved in IT. This Thor guy doesn't even code. He's LARPing.

[@overdose3100]

@@semaph0re That "Thor guy" is piratesoftware and has 20 years experience in coding and hacking nuclear powerplants i think he knows what hes talking about

[@semaph0re]

​@@overdose3100 Unfortunately that does not change the fact he has no backlog of security tools, nor any significant security projects, and provides basic IT knowledge. But I get it, gamers are easy to impress 🙂 Edit: I just watched his stream and he's using Windows. Yeah, very skilled security dude we have here. Facepalm.

[@evo4gplus]

Hot take : Destroyer2009 gives us more Apex content than EA/Respawn does

[@KingBLUCK]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Lmao 100% and I'm SO here for this

[@LaloChen52hz]

And most importantly! IT'S FREE!

[@leesoftpaw5086]

You wouldn't have any of the Destroyer2009 content without EA/Respawn having made Apex in the first place, so idk

[@DiesleWhite]

We found him boys

[@Bovice..YT-handles-are-fn-dumb]

To be this good a hacker, yet spend your time trolling Apex pros, is the ultimate waste of potential.

[@jrod1591]

While I agree, it could also be an insane resume builder. For all we know, this dude has a full 9-5 working in cybersecurity making bank and decides to spend free time trolling.

[@jordan_goes_in4378]

Yea he said that in the video. ECHO CHAMBER

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

@@jrod1591 Except what he did is illegal. It isn't a resume builder at all.

[@ThePush666]

imagine the 2009 is his birth year lol 15 year old making a name for himself

[@jrod1591]

@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken have you seen how many main stream hackers get high level jobs? I understand you’re not in that space and he may have to pay reparations (if caught), but it’s pretty common to hire the best hackers for positions in cybersecurity and Thor talks about this often.

[@adxmnt1926]

Whenever I watch Hal, unless I feel like trolling in chat I close his chat the second I open his stream 😂 full of smooth brains

[@kunalgupta9713]

Chat is depressingly stupid unless ur in a trolly mood

[@MrRednosemak]

All twitch chats if I'm being real 😂

[@jaded-harper]

thats just 90% of twitch blud. animals spamming random shit like they're in zoo

[@AutoCannonSaysHi]

Something about genuinely smart people, attracts dumb people. They're looking for that INT boost.

[@DarukaEon]

Glad I'm not feeling like the only one.

[@Grappuling]

Plot Twist: Thor is Destroyer2009

[@jrod1591]

I could believe this if he knew what apex legends was. He was too ignorant on the game. If he is, that would be some wild twist.

[@al_cruise517]

Thor is pirate software 🤦

[@JoeyWoodpine69]

​@jrod1591 interesting choice of words here. Can tell you don't get out much.

[@jrod1591]

@@JoeyWoodpine69 Dude is a genius, but all I’m saying is there is no way he’s destroyer2009.

[@jrod1591]

@@JoeyWoodpine69 at least I was all state in Texas for football instead of just recording it, dweeb. 😂

[@ZWILLINGSMORD]

guys this entire thing is chrystal clear, it was clara who downloaded the hacks

[@infusins7388]

Clara!!!

[@A_aron641]

Its always clara!!🤦🏽‍♂️

[@TheCr1st1an0r0na1d0]

😂😂😂😂

[@TheGoldenApex]

Yep😂😂😂

[@faide2356]

💀💀

[@edwindiaz6447]

“I felt dumb in the call with him, I’m not gonna lie. But that’s just because, if I was talking about Apex I’d probably make him feel dumb” - Hal 🤣😭💀

[@DabManTrips]

Dude is 100% dumb as rocks and only good at Apex 🤣

[@SiebenSiebenSieben]

I loved it so much! He knew he was talking to a genius, yet his Ego needed to put something forward to show off!

[@ibekevo]

Lol right, like it’s ok to feel dumb, you don’t know that stuff 😂 Just had to 1Up though lmao

[@mikethomas1806]

"Yah but mines pretty big too"

[@SafetyKitten]

@@SiebenSiebenSieben if thats what you take away from that, you are extremely stupid LMAO

[@KingBLUCK]

As a student in cybersecurity, I am absolutely in love to see one of my favorite games being talked about in a cybersecurity sense. Yes its pretty bad for this to happen, but both of my intrests just coming together is absolute bliss

[@DarukaEon]

I'm also in the same boat. It's intriguing. With the limited information I'm working with, my theory was that they somehow turned the game into something akin to Anydesk and injected the cheats in realtime. But for that to happen, they also need to connect to these streamers' exact instances.

[@DrSpoculus]

Has anyone figured out that he simply flagged himself as a dev and is using the built-in dev tools? No hacks or cheats. Everything shown is what a dev account can do. Ban people, make invincible, give away packs, spawn bots. Seems pretty obvious he's just gotten access to the cheats that came with the game. That's why he had access to their systems. A dev can do those things in live games.

[@Joeycrookzzz_]

Netflix better make a special on this shit I’m locked in lol

[@ItzTally]

this has to be one of the most annoying chats i've ever seen

[@stephankim8086]

Every chat is full of basement dwellers

[@noksss3546]

You should've seen his mods, one of them named "Collucid" is ALWAYS there whatever time he streams, and his main thing is telling people to shut up if they havent been subbed to Hal for a very long time, basicly just shaming people with 1-5monthes badges, acutal pisslow asshole

[@CripplingBenadrylAddiction]

Exactly^

[@ItzTally]

@@stephankim8086 i watch mostly fighting game content and the chats in that community aren't even close to how bad hal's chat was in this video.

[@stephankim8086]

@@ItzTally I believe you but im suprised

[@Bovice..YT-handles-are-fn-dumb]

16:06 the gamer equivalent of Kobe staring at the rim & noticing it's a fraction of a fraction crooked.

[@MrVirtuezzz]

Or it's a guy seeing his screen go black

[@Scathach_]

​@@MrVirtuezzzIt's different. He had two weird things happen, as he said. 1. obvious black screen 2. his game looking slightly off. Very different things.

[@crazystud5489]

I love how this all started as funny and annoying and now it's turned into "how to catch an Apex Predator"

[@lolol99929]

Hals chat is hella aids lmao, they really think they know it all.

[@555phoenix]

even when thor says to support the devs it falls on deaf ears with his chat lol, miserable to read

[@Nrod1332]

​@@555phoenixHe said that with mande

[@j-s-m]

Welcome to twitch In general. 😂😂😂 It's why I avoid that app in all, they literally the embodiments of Reddit threads.

[@jordan_goes_in4378]

They are mostly dumb kids. What you expect. Lol.

[@moneytopz]

Literally they are so dumb

[@TegFark]

I think he only showed himself because Burten never noticed the aimbot. The bow made it hard to notice. The hacker wasn't satisfied, so he showed himself and gave him wall hax. Hals aimbot was noticed right away, so no text or wall hacks.

[@ksomeone1]

exactly

[@RickGrimes807]

Thats a smart hypothesis

[@vaeger2947]

Although Burten’s case happened first

[@Eric-rh8jr]

How would that work with the 10 minute delay unless he has access to the discord audio chat?

[@cawcasian820]

@@Eric-rh8jr dudes hacking other peoples computers but you think he would be defeated by a 10 minute delay?...

[@kiloDelta-wo6gm]

Thor has the only evidence based take out there 👏👏🔥🔥

[@DarukaEon]

To be fair, he has background in being part of Blizzard's cybersecurity team.

[@DrSpoculus]

The evidence suggests a rogue dev or this guy found a way to flag himself as a dev account. Think about it. If a dev jumped in a game and gave infinite ammo, sent messages, spawned bots and gave away packs, you'd be like "yup, that's what devs can do, because they're devs". Why make hacks when you can use the built-in dev tools? I suspect he's flagged as a dev. That would explain why no virus is needed. It's already built into the game. Any dev can do these things, and they don't need a virus to do it, just a dev flagged account. Simplest answer to me. Has Thor addressed this possibility, do u know?

[@cuhleannn6031]

Feel like I'm watching L vs Kira 😂

[@JonYugen]

Was hard watching the chat say Thor was Destroyer himself trying to do a publicity stunt lmfao

[@matamorostexas7238]

Im just glad destroyer dedicated his life to ruining gaming and not mass murders.

[@blastroy1]

There’s still time

[@RaidenKunii]

@@ELpeaceonearthinstead of using his skills for good he is busy trolling innocent ppl

[@twinkytwinklier1400]

Imagine if he decided to troll government institutions and hospitals 💀 those things got the worst kinds of vulnerabilities and the damage could be severe. At least he’s just trolling games… Or maybe he’s already doing those, just using different name…

[@SaWaii]

the ending 😂 such a hal thing to say hahaha

[@g.d.4304]

at this rate, this guy is going to replace hideouts as head of security

[@BitedownPete]

he should

[@cubbian]

Bro, a monkey can replace hideouts as head of security

[@stalehuman7585]

No

[@clutch9382]

He costs too much

[@N3kras]

EA has the money but would never pay him enough lel

[@je36youtube]

I have got mad respect for this guy. He is doing what respawn should be doing right now. He is supporting the players who have been hacked and potentially worried about their compromised devices. Big props to him taking time out of his day to do this

[@StraightBleach]

How do you know Ea isnt?

[@je36youtube]

@@StraightBleach - i dont see any ea or Respawn employees in calls with them. If this bloke can do it on stream, then they can too. Dispell the rumours of hal and gen cheating makes sense too

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

Most likely EA is doing something about it but the lack of communication is very concerning.

[@je36youtube]

@@DarkAuroraBlade - exactly. Seems like all they are doing is trying to figure it out behind closed doors whilst their game is slowly dying

[@Nrod1332]

​@@DarkAuroraBladeThat's what's messing everything up as far as this going in a direction of getting "better". No communication whatsoever

[@HolyMalice]

Coolest crossover I never expected!

[@macieks6099]

Apex hacker lore is much more interesting now than actual Apex lore

[@Skyj1n]

apex lore lol

[@TheHyperfilthered]

Thor starting a discussion with "Oh hai" took me back

[@Dip-z77]

Omg the chat is clueless

[@cavy9797]

lmao hal just had to make that statement at the end💀

[@Planterobeets]

Thor discovering a clue live with just a bit of direct info from Hal is crazy, and all Hal can say is Yeah lol.

[@aniceguy241]

While ea needs to ban Hal’s acc to investigate and still no response yet

[@1981bbrad]

As a security researcher and cyber professional i couldn't agree more with what was mentioned by the Sec guy. If the potentially compromised box is still in the same state when the hack occurred i would also recommend firing up the game and running process explorer to dig down and see what svchost has spawned as this may give you an idea as to where the foothold took place

[@2jyeti909]

Plot twist : Tufi is destroyer2009

[@TheGoldenApex]

I watched the entire 40 minute clip and I do not regret it AT ALL! When Thor speeds it sounds like asmr and I learned so much from him. Very interesting🔥🔥🔥 I hope they catch destroyer!

[@SethWTFF]

HUGE!!! Thor becoming part of the Apex community is absolutely glorious

[@camino_]

oh damn they got thor on the case 😂

[@notzenatall]

29:10 --> 29:13 "I felt dumb" That's a good sample right there 🙃

[@bwalsh1105]

Lol, I just got an email from EA saying “Beware: New Apex Legends……..Bundles Are On Fire!” Lol. No response or reassurance people playing the game are safe to play or that they’re working on fixing security issue. Unreal

[@Jardefendi]

Respawn tweeted a response a few hours ago. Supposedly they are releasing some patches in the short term to help address the issue.

[@patfussy2472]

Thor is telling Destroyer 2009 what to do next 🤦🏻‍♂️😂😂😂😂😂

[@reivaxrazalas6765]

When Mande talked to the hacker they said they had years of training to do stuff like this

[@eagleangel5568]

Hal: I FELT DUMB lol 😆😆😆

[@ppjola]

i love Hals last comment at the end of the video there

[@NateMarley]

Destroyer watching this whole thing and learning from Thor on what to do and not 🤦‍♂️

[@Scathach_]

I think the guy knows this.

[@Basicsareeverything]

Another route that hasnt been considered yet is a omg type device because both players are using battlebeaver controllers.

[@gcvibe]

but that doesn't explain previous events like bot spawning and pack gifts

[@Basicsareeverything]

I think those are just the server having vulnerability accepting code, installing a cheat on someone's PC is the part I'm interested in@@gcvibe

[@Glaedr11]

​@@gcvibedude, if you watched the video you'd know that both Hal and Pirate agree the ALGS hack and ranked/store hacks are obviously different instances or methods

[@gcvibe]

@@Glaedr11 yes of course, but it's also said that from one vulnerability you can get to the other and in this case a omg type device could be considered for the end user vulnerability and not the first one. Check Thor's vod of yesterday stream, way more detailed than this one.

[@chaos3088]

Destroyer after watching this clip : Oooh F.

[@stavratum]

when they sent some random ip the chat was so corny to read "destroyer sweatin", "HIS IP LOOOOOOOL"

[@fir13]

If only i had cyber security teacher like Thor, i would enjoyed it so much more😮

[@ResplendenceFPS]

Death Note Apex Edition

[@nothingiamjustsomekindofdu5744]

TRUEEEE

[@OneHuntiBoi]

Hal's chat saying Thor is reaching or yapping when he is literally troubleshooting in real time with only the information that he's being told without knowing the ins and outs of apex

[@tatersmcgee406]

Plot twist: Thor is a cool guy having a chill day

[@markhill2496]

I am now going to add ‘moment of intrusion’ to my repertoire with the Mrs

[@shadowIol]

Does anyone know the timestamp from Hal’s vod or pirates vod when they start talking about this???

[@mebiysyt8331]

23:50 Mazer AAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

[@colinwilson7524]

LOL! came here to point out that comment as well. While I get him using the bloodhound reference it should have really been Crypto being on his case :D:D

[@aliens5142]

xD

[@monkeysbmean]

EA needs Thor as their CSO lmao

[@Ricmaniac]

hahaha the ending. I felt dumb

[@oreyon9514]

"I wish i had his hair" - Zachmazer probably

[@ragingsloth2846]

Piratesoftware sounds like a young Howard Stern. Dudes got a great voice.

[@TheBestcommentor]

It's really funny how little their knowledge overlaps.

[@bungus49]

Imagine if Pirate software was Destroyer2009 lmfao

[@brotatobrosaurus5411]

idk what was in the screenshot he shared, but if all it showed is "traffic" on port 135, that doesn't mean the attacker actually had an active RDP session. That IP comes up in virustotal/greynoise as a scanner, and it's possible that the screenshot just showed Hal getting scanned, not actively connected

[@traida111]

its not hard to query a master server and get a list of servers. what he needs to know is who's on the server. The master servers do not reveal player names since decades. Last time they showed the player names was back in the days of Gamespy, which many games used their master server query protocol.

[@KaizenDRL]

Damn cant wait to see the dudes face when he gets caught

[@Call_Me_Matrix]

Destroyer2009 makes Tufi look like an amateur.

[@Epicesify]

100% a smart move as the streamers by helping out Thor with anything they have, because now this is a puzzle for Thor and he can't resist it

[@Aceofswade]

HisWattson should probably replace his entire PC, too. HisWattson could be sabotaged in the next event considering Hal, Mande, and him were sent free packs from Destroyer2009 and Thor believes it's most likely on the personal machine's side.

[@Luzum]

his chat is so brain dead, Pirate finds a digitalocean IP and they act like they found this dude's IP address and that a subpoena = HE GOT CAUGHT GUYS!

[@khemia3716]

He said if we could get information from that Jump Box/Rented Server during that specific time to track his actual IP.

[@Luzum]

@@khemia3716 that could easily still lead to a dead end

[@i-am-mercurial]

Zach acting like he knows

[@BiPolarClay]

First time I've ever heard Hal say "I felt dumb" Rare a big brain like his is not the smartest in the room lol.

[@pepsusser]

It's kind of awesome as it shows people respecting each other's strengths

[@DruidVR]

Although its super bad, and its quite terrifying that he might be able to access your actual pc... he's doing gods work in terms of making respawn act - hopefully other game devs will be taking notes and also be upgrading their anticheat :)

[@moistwater3014]

The guy is a professional hacker and saying he doesn't have the answer is obvious because he does not directly have access to see files that would give the evidence of where the hack originated from.

[@Cyberpunk2069]

IMDB: Destroyer, 2009 "A man navigates through a future of overwhelming security."

[@roryluukas2703]

I'm sorry but this is such a massive reach by PirateSoftware... that IP is a crawler (an IP which is constantly mass scanning the internet), this also makes 135 a totally normal port for this IP to be probing, it has been flagged as malicious in 9 separate blacklists for ages and it will be in any basic antivirus IOC list... meaning any basic antivirus would have blocked that. The connection MAY be connected somehow but its so unbelievably unlikely that it was successful and without a whole TON of further context, it means NOTHING. For instance: when was the connection, was it successful, if it wasn't was there only one attempt, are there any correlated windows events at that time, any evidence of scripts being run, etc... Basically, finding that IP should be a jump off point for the beginning of a single track in an investigation, not treated as evidence in itself. Thore is an offensive red team specialist, and it does really show during this analysis lmao! For context, I am a professional CTI analyst and trained in SWAT digital forensics. I have taken part in around 100 successful forensic missions.

[@DabManTrips]

that was one of my first thoughts too. As much as people want to catch the hacker sometimes it's not possible due to their proper OPSEC practices. The main purpose of cybersecurity is to prevent hacks in the first place. I'm sure Thor knows this but he's dealing with a community of people who watch streamers, who know nothing about IT or cybersecurity and is trying his best to educate them.

[@mk-19memelauncher65]

Also I doubt the owner of the web crawler center is operating publicly or destroyer is connected to them by any traceable means for authorities to begin tracking down.

[@5methoxy]

tbh this all just reminded me of hacked MW2 lobbies where you were randomly granted aimbot, walls, etc. All just by joining the game.

[@YT_Booost]

Unfortunately this is exactly what we needed for something to change. They're worried about configs meanwhile we got this demon over here ruining it for the pros lol

[@FlynchDNB]

EA jumping straight on Hal’s case for the info they just found out is crazy man😬

[@automanvw]

So basically , turn off the performance display if you’re a streamer . Harder to be targeted if they don’t know the server id

[@jinji_xo]

its always displayed on the lobby menu

[@jungillestt02]

He's probably watching all these videos

[@pablogg8166]

Bro this is the content we need xD Thor is a god, literally

[@Kraxt0n]

direct access to one of several machines, when the others didn have these scans popup is a stretch.

[@Ethan_Wheeler]

Piratesoftware is the only dude who has genuinely made me reconsider changing my major to something different.

[@raipanda133]

5:33 Shoutout to nicewiggsfeet for saying Hal is talking to Howard Stern lol

[@jakobsaldana46]

Bro just did respawns job😂

[@silentKeys20]

He did not. He's just explaining things to people on stream. You're very gullible if you think Apex's Dev team hasn't reached the same conclusion as him .

[@jakobsaldana46]

@@silentKeys20 it’s not literal it’s more of a joke clowning on respawn because respawn can’t say how far they got just like you don’t know if they have retained that info. But he did get some info

[@quintapion_]

@@silentKeys20bro is riding those re skins 🥵

[@mk-19memelauncher65]

If destroyer is renting the machine with crypto then he hasnt really "messed up"

[@SmEiF-]

Thor is a modern day internet hero

[@Ricco7235]

The biggest thing is either the attackers not screwing up or the devs not doing anything like we suspect. Bc they can't be screwing up if its getting worse lol

[@Cl1ps]

Apex game files is how. If they had a recent update apex could have had their stuff edited before update. Thats how a trojan starts and how this all happened

[@presets9938]

Chester’s fucked up now they got the boss man involved 😂

[@nightwolfkingwolf5339]

i bet that 2009 at the end of the hackers name is something inputent to him rather the year of his or someone else's birth or like a anniversary

[@Focus716]

Plot twist, it’s hideouts

[@xblackxabyssx1983]

makes you wonder if this destroyer dude had something to do with why titanfall 2 had such a huge bot issue for years and this is his retaliation to them fixing tf2

[@anigame8916]

you wont catch the hacker - anigame 2024

[@marshallmarcano6275]

Man i feel sorry for and T1 always been dealing with this.

[@OnlyPrada]

Ngl bro is a professional yapper

[@ElProblemo1]

18:45 I’d love to see you what Thor could do with scammers He should do a stream with scammer payback

[@ulisesroldan2955]

Hal’s chat is the reason I watch twitch with chat off 😭

[@andrewb4943]

Thor is Howard Stern’s son.. confirmed.

[@j.salgaard9648]

Actually, Thors dad is the guy South Park based the "WoW gamer guy" on, no joke. www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/DirtyRudePineappleHotPokket-5O0zpDLNgOZKwZpp

[@gazanationgaming3940]

911 points In rank omg . What the hell , I need more training 😂😂😂

[@lqfr8813]

i think the hacker do those things to blew up on how the game secuity is a fukin joke. if he is trying to get profit out of thiss, he wont do something so obvious. EA is known to neglect this matter of cheater and hack tools for so long

[@verdibahnsen]

I wouldn’t call Thor a genius, he’s just experienced and pragmatic

[@bookies24k8]

when the kid in your lobby says "my dad works at blizzard" but he's actually telling the truth

[@bredymafana9041]

Respawn should give a contract to this guy to fix their issue

[@Jwine95]

thor is a whitehat hacker and worked for blizzard for many years. I dont think he's intersted in doing it anymore

[@1JamesZ]

If he can join your lobby and access the server based on joining you then surely he has your ip? You can change pc or re install windows but he’d still know what was connected to your WiFi and would have access to any device on the network because wether it was 1 month or 1 year, that wouldn’t change