when Japanese Vtuber Tourney intro actually hits harder than ALGS.. 😲

[@ruweee4443]

They have 150k viewers on the main stream and that does not include those who watches the individual POV's of the players or coaches. VSaikyou is just better than ALGS in terms of production value. They should held a Lan in Japan where Apex has the biggest audience.

[@Moonman10TTV]

What’s the channel name? I’d like to tune in and watch

[@althepal883]

Algs had 600k viewers for a few mins then stayed at 500k for most of the tourney

[@saintzeiru3335]

@@Moonman10TTV Shibuya Hal ch

[@TitanHawk1]

@@althepal883 the most viewers i counted this tourney was around 325-350k(main stream + povs) the last japanese tourney cr cup 10 had 750k+ viewers (main stream + povs) both quite impressive for non-algs tournaments.

[@rainscents]

​@@TitanHawk1dont say "quite", apex wont be as hard as this if its not because of CR Cup xD When they said CR Cup 10 would be the last CR Cup, a lot of ppl finally think apex would die down in Jp scene for good, and jp i think is the biggest apex player and viewer base.

[@namelessseeker]

This is what you produce when you have passion & not just eye for $$$.

[@Fuannai04]

ShibuyaHal (the host) even have a live theater of sort rented out for this, which held hundreds of people. I'm not sure if it's him who rented but it was officially shown in the stream. And afaik he doesn't monetize the main stream even though it gets 100k+ concurrent viewers.

[@Tottemo_Cill]

​@@Fuannai04 yeah, shibuhal is one of the most important person for apex in japan especially for vtuber. His dedication that bring vsaikyo to this extend was so amazing and make this event one of the biggest games tournament in japan. Also i think there's lot of help from his connection, cz he's personaly close with the owner of CR (sponsor) so this event can exist

[@Fuannai04]

@@Tottemo_Cill yea but unfortunately he doesn't really profit from the event itself even with all the sponsorships. In the previous vsaikyo, he event faced net loss.

[@tapiokagiyu6293]

@@Fuannai04 yeah, he cooperated with theaters in like 6 different cities in Japan for public viewing of the event.

[@fluquorsurtr2999]

@@Tottemo_Cill not only for apex i think. He is one the few willing to sacrifice money for connections and fun. It is insane how he directly knows well with managers from large companies, and even met with few of the CEOs himself. All of the other vtuber big events, apparently shibuhal is also directly involved, while not publicly appearing too much

[@ChaChaaa]

For anyone who's wondering this "Japanese vtuber tourney" event is called Vsaikyo originally organised by Shibuya Hal, who started as an independent vtuber and now has his own vtuber agency called NeoPorte. Crazy Racoon is another organisation who is well known for hosting proper tournaments in Japan. Edit: Thank you to all who provided additional facts. Please keep them coming if there's anything else I missed. 🙏

[@MrHehaaw]

Fun fact, CR staffs actualy help with the Vsaikyo production like they always did in the previous years.

[@ChaChaaa]

@@MrHehaaw oh sorry yeah I forgot to mention that 😅

[@AzrazelRa]

​@@MrHehaaw shibuhal also said that he help the production of CR cup 1-3, cause Vsaikyou APEX is held first after that we got CR cup 1 and also shibuhal already have many experience before with VSaikyou PUBG

[@TheTruth-xp2of]

Fun fact, Shibuya Hal competed in lower levels of ALGS in the early days, though he did not reach Pro League.

[@rayir.1382]

We should probably mention the fact the he is also part of TSM as a content creator.

[@FiredAndIced]

The craziest part about this VSaikyou competition, is that this is probably the last time Japanese events will host Apex Legends tournament outside offical competitions. From the organisers of CR Cup and VSaikyou (co-chaired by Shibuya HAL, part of Team TSM), they have said that they will drop Apex Legends for Valorant instead, given the lack of support they get from EA/Respawn. The most embarrassing moment was CR Cup 9 last year, where they had to change the game from Apex Legends to, of all things, Fall Guys and Golf It, because of the constant bugs, and instability issues trying to host a custom match. So yes, fuck you, EA/Respawn.

[@fenrir22571]

Ea will response with Apex Legends 2

[@rthan1996]

@@fenrir22571 lmao

[@dannn2450]

And look at what they do with the mobile version *smh

[@monellindu]

Yeah, this year they can't even give the custom made PC for the 16th rank team as it is the tradition for Vsaikyo just because EA is limiting the amount of the prize. F them

[@jharis5018]

There is actually a rumor that CR Ojiji is gonna continue CR CUP APEX next year

[@cydh_r]

That's why Shibuhal always thanking the "creative team" in every vsaikyou turney that thay working hard. Paasion to deliver at the finest!

[@MeatManMedia]

Someone once got really mad at me that I said it gets more eyes than ALGS, but I watch ALGS and it unironically does LOL. That's why TSM took on Shibuya HAL (the host of this tourney) to TSM to begin with... he's a pillar of the Apex scene, and Japan is one of the biggest markets for the game.

[@winstonmi1263]

as much as i would like for this to be the truth, it simply isnt, a lot of vtuber fans are used to watching streams on youtube, and while it is true the ccvs is less on the algs youtube stream the twitch stream peaked at 600k viewers last year and averaged around 300k (mind that this number is influenced by lulls in content from breaks and whatnot), not including the youtube stream. Even combining the viewers of individual streamers for Vsaikyo it still wouldnt surpass ALGS, except maybe vsaikyo s4, thats not to say that Vsaikyo isnt incredibly successful though, and i personally enjoy it a lot more. Edit: i did forget to mention that theres also a lot of people that cant watch Vsaikyo live, so technically it should have a higher ccv.

[@Bludflag]

​@@winstonmi1263 YT underscores live viewership so actual CCV can be double or triple what the livestream says. It takes a bit after the stream ends before the views suddenly surge. Hal's stream didn’t have that many viewers but it had almost 2 millions views after it ended.

[@winstonmi1263]

@@Bludflag the reason views surge after the end of the stream has nothing to do with ccv, it has to do with every person that clicked through and closed the stream during the time, they do all add up, but the end result is still the same, even if we look at the archives from the vsai4 it has 2.9 mil, while the archives of algs has 4.3+2mil from twitch and youtube combined, vsai4 has the additional benefit of startends insane viewer numbers with aqua having 1.9m views on her archive, bringing it in closer in comparison, not to mention all the other individual povs, vsai4 probably has a higher view count total then last years algs, which i already stated in my first comment. But this isnt taking into mind that a vast majority of these views are being shared throughout the streams, with people watching the individual povs as well as the main stream. Its also important to mention that the numbers from algs live are only from the official english live streams. There is also a japanese and other language specific streams, not including nicewiggs streams. Again, im not bashing on vsaikyo, i really like it, but vtuber fans have to realize that they have insane bias.

[@Bludflag]

@@winstonmi1263 No, not just that. It’s been a thing for a while now that a lot of viewers are not recognized as part of CCV on YT. For example, I don’t count as a viewer; I watched a streamer with 0 CCV. Despite being present. Lots of streamers noticed their viewers falling to half or a third of what they got, so they made surveys in chat and answers exceeded official CCV. Contrast this to Twitch that counts you as part of the CCV if you have the stream running and haven’t complete muted it. And, to be honest, I’m tired of people shilling ALGS. It’s crazy that an official stream with a potential viewership of all its global players can even be outpaced by a tournament organized in Japan and with no translation / EN for broader reach. That’s fundamentally crazy; they should not even be on the same order of magnitude. I don’t even care about the bias argument to be clear, I think It’s also silly. "Insane bias" for not knowing all the numbers offhand for the past, what, three years of tournament efforts? That’s a crazy requirement tbh, it’s just a matter of memory. Demonstrating intent is very difficult for a reason, and your take perfectly demonstrates why. Fans can’t be forgetful or not know the numbers in the first place (i.e., regurgitating what others who did follow both Vsaikyou and ALGS said) and they can’t have valid takes on CCV differences between platforms; they’re just biased because they’re fans of something different so it’s tribalism / competition. That makes for a fallacious argument. Anyway, if you had instead demonstrated viewership numbers and dates of competitions, people would take your argument for what it is worth instead of just unnecessarily insulting people.

[@winstonmi1263]

@@Bludflag honestly i dont really care, i pulled up the numbers and you got mad, it does not take very long to find my sources and im not obliged to go out of my way to provide my sources, i could of course, but why would i waste more time on that on such a pointless argument

[@洪愷宸d]

even the scoreboard looks better

[@brink9733]

LOOOOVE 1:04 when they sync up the "just bring me back, just bring me back" lyrics with the respawn beacon scene

[@Animefanboy4life]

I haven't played apex in awhile, but imagine if cryptos drone could pick up banners and respawn teammates

[@hydraulicpress439]

​@@Animefanboy4life Yes you can 👍

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

Wigg's absolutely right about how stupid the "introduction" of players in the official ALGs broadcast is. Every player has the same fucking pose, and that unnecessary tad bit about their stats is just so unimpressive. Wow, he averages 1.2 kills? Crazy! lmao. ALGs broadcast really needs to step it up.

[@mattw6705]

Atleast we get to see who the players are, every player over there apparently are using the same 5 anime avatars

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

@@mattw6705 It's cause 80% of them are Vtubers, you genius. That's literally their appearance. And guess what, you could still realize the same concept of introduction with IRL photos of them for ALGs.

[@druegnor1703]

Their point system is straigth forward, so no mental and viewr fatique, and more than 50% of the participants are female, their gameplay and mistakes are akin to normal player, players skills are balance with mixed ranked..yeah theirs much better and fun to watch

[@Land_3]

@@mattw6705 It is called Vsaikyou. The V stands for Vtuber so its Vtuber only tournament.

[@a-san8113]

@@mattw6705 i mean...it's a tourney made for people streaming with anime avatars

[@kierlight9544]

Everything in Apex CR cup and Vsaikyo is better than ALGS ngl. Their cameraman work better than ALGS, their cameraman constantly react to fighting team and interesting scene, meanwhile in ALGS they just show us a team that do nothing and watch kill log keep going.

[@kierlight9544]

Also Vsaikyou Apex relay race camera is fckn awesome

[@バナナお爺さん]

Vsaikyo had 150k viewership while the actual ALGS in APAC North had about 20k. The two was happening at the same time

[@edenromanov]

To be fair Vsaikyo is full of people with a pre built in audience who would watch the streamers if they were playing Apex or any other game it's pretty hard to go up against that 😅

[@rainscents]

​@@edenromanovppl know which one is more interesting but EA stupid enough doesnt support the popular one. Thats the implicit problem.

[@rainscents]

​@@edenromanovand the whole thing about non official tourney can be more well produced than official

[@バナナお爺さん]

@@edenromanov I've been watching ALGS for 2 years, even in the last year I don't think they even reached 100k in livestream when they are having Lan tournaments, because of how shitty the main stream is. On the other hand, CSGO had around 500k viewership on their last championship, CR cup averages around 80k, vsaikyo 150k, even pekora's putotetris tournament had 230k...

[@Allurium]

​@@edenromanov yeah but then again some of the viewers chose to watch the streamers pov instead of the main stream

[@R3zeeeee]

Kuzuha with his Day 1 photo always gets me.

[@ryoB1214]

The animation when showing the champions slaps too

[@monarchso9272]

Shibuya HAL san is just da goat dude insane production

[@chariot9285]

one dude with an anime avatar gets the money and connections to start up the most fun apex tournament of the year and in 5 seasons makes it all around better production than the EA-funded game company who develops the fucking game. a testament to both the love and passion for this game and respawn's lackluster unorganized penny-pinching behavior

[@vallecend6855]

It's always quite mind boggling to see the difference between a community produced tournament vs a company produced tournament. We can clearly see which actually cares about the game and which has their eyes only on the $.

[@-Raylight]

When a tourney hosted by independent Vtuber (who has his own company) is better than official tourney. Guess it's EA, they just don't want to spend money xD

[@jhinrionis1104]

🐍Do not wallow 🐍TSB is here to swallow🐍 o7

[@cleeiii357]

Dont wallow because its over🐍 Swallow because it happened🐍

[@ihvdrm]

@@cleeiii357 Amen

[@derpedfox]

Selen and Noct will be back next week for another swallowing 🐍🐍

[@videoloversful]

Swallow your di--- Swallow the stress from other teams

[@konsanalite]

​@@videoloversful ayo

[@RikKawaii]

This is why they have >130k views when the main event not even started yet

[@nandakey672]

Like someone said why is the production is way so good than the ALGS, just because the apex community in Japan no matter who （the pro players,vtubers,host,fans）really care about it The difference is apex community in Japan do their best to make the tourney become the best... and the official do their best to make money and squeeze players' wallet with a lot of new skin but dont give a shit in tackle server problems, bug problems, cheater problems

[@tpd1399]

Asia will always be the goat when it comes to this.

[@superhessu3]

1:56 lmfaoo not the *cut throat emote*

[@thefurmidablecatlucky3]

i cringe so hard at that part, it's so cringy that it's actually kind of funny

[@pakinngamkam8558]

I never get why gamers do that. CRINGE!!!

[@idValkyrie]

Based on passion is better than based on business, in a world full of pro players, it's hard to imitate a tournament like this where the viewer can gain so much access to the stream and each player seems to be more approachable. The western-based tournament is like a higher place where each of them only focuses on 1 game, reaches peak level, and fights it off with another team while in this kind of tournament, like VSaikyou, CR cup, the team isn't that 1 semi-permanent team against each other, but individual forming a newly made team against each other, so from the training arc to the real tournament itself is good content, that's why I think it's more "approachable". The point is, they form a huge and solid fan base together with each streamer it feels like the tournament is specially made by them for them and everyone around the fan base, that's why it feels different and special.

[@newleafoverit]

THIS IS IT. Finally someone who shares the same same thought as me. It isn't about just the APEX, it's about the damn friends we make along the way (and the friends he lost along the way for Astel)

[@blastburnz]

The production value of vsaikyou is actually so sick man. Top tier stuff

[@GabrielTrane]

Always nice to see when someone blown away by future core. BGM OP artist is Zekk.

[@YOGA47]

Vtuber animation crazy

[@asaasahina896]

It really makes me smile how the Vtuber scene is making its way to a more mainstream audience.

[@prhl]

Bro the production quality is excellent. Even be greater than algs itself.

[@infectedgamer11]

Bring Me Back by Zekk for anyone else looking for the song.

[@Raptorz413]

its because they actually care

[@cabal123123123]

Btw guys the soundtrack is Bring Me Back / Zekk, welcome ;)

[@nsn333]

japanese edm is so underrated

[@AkukinCrew]

Take notes Respawn, make the game better and held the tourny better, not just tryin to earn money cuz the host ShibuyaHal spend millions jpy to held this tourny and tries to get everyone the best experience while ALGS simply dgaf

[@o_oxawb]

i’m so glad shibuyahal, vsaikyou & cr are getting more international recognition :^) ive heard somewhere that shibuyahal doesn’t actually earn anything from doing these bc some contestants’ managements don’t allow it to be beneficial and provides everything from his own pockets/friends such as CR or k4sen (another well-known japanese streamer) for background music

[@kokorochacarero8003]

1:09 🐍 DO NOT WALLOW 🐍 TSB IS HERE TO SWALLOW 🐍

[@Ikimasho_official]

Only real ones know

[@leechacc387]

Minato Aqua and ditto. are my two fav for apex, they are ruthless

[@thewaterdispenser]

this is the definition of production value

[@nathan_khj]

Just waiting for ALGS lan to be held in Japan

[@Just1barofsoap]

For those wondering, the song and artist name is Zekk - Bring me back Some other songs I recommend by them: Back to you Define Burn Orthocanna Some good info: He also has a channel, so go subscribe to him. He makes amazing music for rhythm games, games (like NIKKE) and some other projects like these intros. Sometimes they upload to their music labels channel called DiverseSystem.

[@lightningwithin9186]

My boi Wigg is a meance for that ending. haha

[@TheSurgePhoenix]

Their production value is is much higher. Unfortunately a lot less events will be hosted in Apex due to the problems they have in customs

[@hardstick9410]

when vtuber have good production than the orginal

[@OnizameK]

We need more of this on here

[@watataenjoyer]

Shibuya hal spares no expense

[@mihaelk.myriad]

It's time for some people to stop underestimating those who work hard behind the anime characters/models. They are more than only 2D things.

[@6LVCKSHEEP]

They built different over there damn, shit looks dope 😅

[@RemRDS]

I've been watching VSaikyou and CRCup for 3 seasons now. It's sad the Apex series for CR is done and VSaikyou should be done as well. Favourite is still the previous VSaikyou cuz Startend participated and I'm an Aqua simp

[@aoitsukishiro9926]

Apex tourney always looks so amazing and full action packed. I'm gonna miss both of tourney. Fuck EA/Respawn

[@MugeTzu4]

It's a 50 50 they will maybe so cr cup and Vsaiko next year so I hope it happens

[@RemRDS]

@@MugeTzu4 I believe they already said that this CR cup was the last. Vsaikyou hasn't said this was the last but it's ending soon

[@JakeStevyson]

News: Vsaikyo will returned on November but it Valorant. Hal was already announced

[@komos3719]

Shibuhal is the goat

[@EliotUchiha]

Ayyyy let's gooo that shit is a lit as intro we need that 😂

[@MainGoldDragon]

1:08 Team 14 Team Snake Bite!!!!!

[@AC-ut3nk]

I don't really watch ALGS but everything he describe is basically every esport game lol.

[@ZoilZ]

That moment when your game is carried by vtubers lol

[@senatra0417]

but you killing it slowly LMFAO

[@techmonk3y]

ALGS has the worst production How many times are we watch8ng people in a building screwing off while the kill feed is just LIT up. This into was such 🔥!

[@itsprod.472]

Well from the sources going around, the ones who hold this tournament will be dropping it for Valorant and most of you guys already know why 😂 EA/Respawn = No Support even if it’s in Japan one of their largest fan bases

[@HadirUntukAnda]

1:09 i miss TSB so much

[@MitchJustChill]

I don't know who this guy is I know some of the Vtubers my favorite team being TSB. but I like the cut of his jib. Man has a rocking voice too.

[@Arcangel2992]

I’m a simple man, I see Towa-sama. I click.

[@joejunior4700]

Deron's team is 1st on this board, wtf Sheila is stronk

[@burrzie8446]

1:50 True. The crossed arm pose is so overused, its like their hiding their pit stains. At least be more creative with the poses, like OG during TI9.

[@awman9134]

I've been saying EA should literally host ALGS LAN in japan even just for once in japan. Not really a long time fan in pro scene so I don't know too deep about this but I've heard about EA are outsourcing to a certain company for hosting this year's london LAN. Which, tbh, the quality is very mid. (not the match themselves) Player had DC issues in group stage if I'm not wrong, and something about the 2 venue are so different, main venue(where the casters and viewers were at) was comfy but the other one was fucking ass. Hot as fuck, set ups are shit, a lot of the pros complained about it besides group B's player, because they somehow just played in the main venue during all group stage matches. Then we look at some japan LAN. Their valorant LAN was awesome even though I don't play the game. Even then, there's a streamer named k4sen literally hosted a mini LoL LAN event during these riot games official LAN (I think that was last year's summer, kind forgot) and that still has higher quality then fucking ALGS. And yeah, some comment with high likes already said it. Japanese are dropping apex for valorant because how bad the game was in asia servers. And now they dropped hosting any big event for it as well. Some famous online community tourney like CR Cup or this video's VSaikyo are not going to be held again in the foreseeable future. As a asian viewer I actually got into apex as a whole watching CR Cup, but soon enough I realized its shit in the bed.

[@pidgeadlawan6136]

It's somewhat funny that I stumbled into this after watching the VOD for VSaikyo S6, and then realizing the "S5 may be the last" comments did not age well.

[@6LVCKSHEEP]

Like a anime intro i love it ahaha, reminds me of gundam ngl

[@fenrir22571]

Even they have made it since season 2.

[@fenrir22571]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGqycmOAgJibq9U It's more simple but still cool.

[@YY096]

Anyone know the song name? Even in the original vid i didn't see any credit wtf! Edit: i found it "zekk - bring me back"

[@dj.blackstar]

Crazy how far they've come

[@CunnyVirus]

I see towa I click

[@velfare]

Nail it at the end 😂

[@yymei]

not the pose

[@mechdilan3092]

Need info for the song, I love it

[@head_set__]

Bring me back Composer of this is Zekk

[@blaqstar]

the only apex tournament i watch and this is the last apex vsaikyou. wish shibuya hal make it next year just to suprise everyone

[@easybat311]

what song is that during the intro?

[@-kmt-1613]

Bring me back by Zekk

[@Cecil97]

Lol NA doesn't have that kind of creative talent XD

[@ohhhh]

Did wigg watch the whole thing or just the intro?

[@-kmt-1613]

he watched the whole tournament with Rpr, Nocturnal, and TrulySquid (ex pro)

[@HeyItzRaiderZ]

@@-kmt-1613 and ipn

[@bwunomaws12]

I HOPE THEY CONTRACT THIS PRODUCTION IN SAPPORO CHAMPS TOURNEY PLEASE LORD

[@mvproductions8543]

Anyone know the song for this?

[@harute1556]

EA is so poor where did the money go

[@Atmojoe]

Not sure if we were about to watch ALGS match or 4 hours marathon of watching Anime.

[@rainscents]

Trust me, both. With a bit of twist and sad ending to add

[@lionelk.y7233]

Scrims is the OVA leading to the Official Vsaikyou

[@kinariamaru9393]

OFC Vsaikyou better than ALGS different between passion and fun game team rather than money milking corporate

[@fragr33f74]

It's genuinely so disappointing a game as good as Apex at it's core is just not fully supported to the level it should be man. The games is so fucking good. There's still so much potential. But we're always just in that copium phase 😔.

[@kerbethegodkiller2914]

Always remember guys, if you think you are good at something, there will be always an Asian person that does it WAY better

[@kei_sans]

EA is a small company. So please be patient with them. kek

[@akshdeepchahal]

whats the name of the song?

[@head_set__]

Bring me back Composer is Zekk

[@akshdeepchahal]

@@head_set__ Thanks

[@shiki0836]

wigg coaching for VSAI6?

[@HeyItzRaiderZ]

If rumors are true, there most likely won't be a 6th one.

[@canacomyrica]

Anyone knows what's the title of the song? 🥲

[@canacomyrica]

Nevermind I've found it already 😅

[@nogami2220]

​@@canacomyrica can you tell me what's the title? I didn't found it

[@nogami2220]

​@@canacomyrica appreciate it, thanks

[@canacomyrica]

@@nogami2220 your welcome 🙏

[@williedbz3149]

this guys voice sounds just like Pat McAfee!! Lol

[@jaynar9307]

Wait is that an actual song..

[@infectedgamer11]

Its called -> Bring Me Back by Zekk. Had to go diving through ShibuyaHals stuff

[@zanagi]

Yo whats the song guys

[@-kmt-1613]

Bring me back by Zekk

[@averageuser4669]

does anyone know the song name???

[@pablin4364]

Zekk - Bring Me Back

[@Haru-ic6nr]

This is not even the best one imo, the season 4 intro hits even harder

[@hegarainhainrich4174]

Name of music tho?

[@pablin4364]

Zekk - Bring Me Back

[@ameliawatsonvoicepack4297]

0.2 kills 100 dmg per game. I'd report that sh 1t lmao

[@tunabones5534]

Japan is clear

[@drianch.563]

Man KEKW

[@Cornholio8787]

Japan is so elite compared to the rest of the world

[@Lycaa]

osu! moment

[@Just1barofsoap]

Zekk moment 😎

[@nasch3391]

u cant compare japanese event/tournament to ALGS, ALGS looks like a college EVENT

[@nnoir]

well im sure it wouldnt be too difficult to find decent animators in JAPAN of all places.

[@rainscents]

The thing is, finding artist or anime studios nowadays is not that hard, as long as they care about what they makes, they can make this level of production too.

[@benja9029]

it's difficult for EA to spend cash that they could save in order to make their earning report look good to investors

[@kawaiipotatoes7888]

They even got aka akasaka for cr cup opening.

[@Conetall420]

Idk which one is better cuz I'm not really following ALGS but, this music is kinda off imo. it's like the video and the music was running on separate ways or not harmonious. The video was really cool tho ngl

[@bravodefeated9193]

looks like Garbo made in after effects rofl

[@xthaking]

I love anime but that sh** was wack lmaoo