Pirate Software shares shocking stat!

[@chaosbringer12]

"what happens when we all have neurolink and crowdstrike crashes our brains?" This is a Sword Art Online-like premise lol

[@chaosakazero]

Have any of you seen Tron ?

[@jtocool]

Ghost in the shell...

[@ttgl_bobross]

That's just the Matrix Crash from Shadowrun

[@themc3140]

The actual plot of an indie game that thor has played. Won't spoil which one, though.

[@ThePolarpop]

​@@chaosakazero SCANNERS!? STEVEN..

[@Kevinjimtheone]

My little cousin found a cassette tape in an old box and asked, "What is this for?". So, I told her it's for listening to music, and she kept looking at it all over and finally asked, "How does it play music? It doesn't have speakers, it doesn't pair with my headphones, and it doesn't have the old people's cable (3.5 mm jack...).". So, I showed her an old stereo we somehow had around and was still working, and she didn't believe me. Then she heard the tape rewinding and saw the spools turning and was dumbfounded. Then, I told her how many songs a cassette could hold and that there was no defining stopping point for each song, and she just broke… She left sighing and yelling "There is no way aunt listened to music that way!", and I yelled back at her "You little punk, your cousin and I grew up listening to these, not your aunt!".

[@TwiggehTV]

"aunt? You mean VINYL?" 😅

[@Nisenziart]

your little cousin is "cooked" , as kids say these days

[@WlatPziupp]

It is pretty nuts that spooling a ribbon or gently stabbing a spinning plastic plate can make music. It's also pretty nuts that making magnets play air drums can make music

[@willi1978]

wonderful 🥰

[@ghostcat8244]

This is why I am trying my best as an uncle to teach my niece. What are cds and tapes..

[@Nick-zw9yz]

"Why do you keep giving me these phobias I didn't know I have!" Same Cohh, same.

[@RichardStyles]

Just don't read "Ready Player Two"

[@j.lucasdecastroaraujo761]

@@RichardStyles I read the first book but the author is kind of a creepy mac creeperson. The movie was fine too, nothing amazing. Specially the part were the ugly girl wasn`t actually ugly and only had a facil mark.

[@shinji391]

Weakness. Why are you afraid of everything? Weakness.

[@PikaPetey]

Mouse and keyboard is "old people stuff" 💀

[@gror7849]

In my old age I had to use a mouse to like this comment! 😄

[@AltPlus30]

funny how I'm at most 5 years older than these kids, basically being a kid myself (in old man's eyes ofc) and still feel old

[@tlk889]

When their wrists and fingers feel like they're 70 in their late twenties, we're gonna have the "old people stuff" talk again and see if the touch screens are all that great for lengthy tasks 😂 Seriously though, they'll have to learn mouse anf keyboard anyway cause I cannot imagine any company that uses computers would be able to transition to fully touch screen tech within the next twenty years. I don't think most work related software even has a reliable touch screen variant today.

[@paladestar9758]

Those kids would soon change their tune if you took aim assist away from their favourite games!

[@thew1ngman]

Lmfao theyre gunna be punching the air and crying if they try to play competitive games with touchscreen lol. It's been 30 years of gaming and there still hasn't been a more precise apparatus to interface with these games/devices. Maybe... just maybe they are peak design.

[@altquasar3240]

In a reversal of this story, I worked in dispatch for a factory and one of our clients demanded we used their proprietary software that was coded in 1980. IT DIDN'T ACCEPT MOUSE INPUTS. Everything was navigated to using numerical codes.

[@tiint_tone]

I have a family member who worked in a bank that used decrepit general ledger software from the eighties. There was one old guy whose sole job was maintaining and troubleshooting that software. They did upgrade eventually-when the guy gave them notice he was going into retirement. This was around 2000-2005.

[@jackr2287]

True of a lot of control software and languages. The old stuff is really important still.

[@tlk889]

Industry is extremely conservative, cause change costs money. The only area that somewhat keeps up is tech industry, cause it has to. I'm gonna bet that even if 90% of tasks would be easily done using a touchscreen by the end of this decade (which is a pretty big stretch anyway), there'll be companies demanding their workers to use mouse&keyboards in the late 21st cetnury still.

[@arthurwintersight7868]

@@tlk889 - The problem with touch screen is that it's simply not as versatile as a mouse and keyboard. Interacting with it obstructs your vision of the screen, and having a keyboard on screen means less on-screen space for everything else, and a decent computer mouse lets you deftly move a cursor around while having twelve different buttons and a scroll wheel at your fingertips.

[@fredsmith1970]

my first job, back in 1987, was working on a computer system that only had a numeric keypad (if you needed QWERTY we had 1 keyboard we'd all have to share). 95% of what we needed to do was via entering a 3 or 4 digit code (for the specific action) followed by whatever numerical data you then had to enter. Suffice to say, I'm still an absolute wizard in excel when using a numeric keypad on a full size keyboard. 😎

[@halsaufschneider1446]

This issue should bring everyone's memory back of "Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home" where Scotty tries to interact with a computer through voice command. After no response he tries to talk into the Mouse, thinking it might be a microphone. Until he scoffs at the keyboard input calling it "Quaint". This subtle joke is actually *timeless.* Back in the 80s, we laughed because we knew our computers couldn't respond to voice commands. Now, we laugh because the computer is too old to respond to voice commands.

[@ulture]

and Back to the Future II when Marty goes to the retro 80s diner and kills it at their old arcade cabinet and baby Elijah wood says in shock and disgust "You mean you have to use your hands?!"

[@AusSP]

And also laugh at the idea that voice commands could be used as a decent input system for anything a engineer might do without an extremely complex AI behind it.

[@lebrewski3103]

Best way to see how vocal command are stupide and slow is by watching Real Steel when they trade the controller to voice command. Any "real" gamer went "lol wtf" seeing this. I mean, it clearly have a use, as long as you're not in hurry and don't have a thick accent. Or that video on YT where to guy come back from the dentist and can't even get in his home.

[@Queldonus]

The other thing that the joke got right is that the mouse is the part that’s gonna be made obsolete. Keyboards will just move from physical to touchscreen.

[@Suspinded]

I'm glad I introduced my 13 year old to PC and controllers. She can work touch, keyboard, and controller with no issues. She enjoys WASD keyboard gameplay. She's going to rule the non-believers.

[@davidsykes6584]

Same, my 13yo is old hat ever since I gave her my old computer.

[@tlk889]

Versatility is king.

[@trajectoryunown]

Should have taught her ESDF.

[@crafciak31]

Parents should actually make sure kids know how to work average computers - after all I don't think touch screens everywhere will be a standard anytime soon xD

[@trajectoryunown]

@@crafciak31 Do you own a cell phone?

[@Moxzot]

Im betting now mouse and keyboard and controllers will still be around in 15 years because tactile feedback is essential and screens give no feedback.

[@AklyonX]

Not just that, but look at how limited the mobile game variety is. Thats partly due to how limited having to use screen space on buttons instead of gameplay is.

[@jone7204]

I’m pretty sure some screens give feedback now obviously not as pronounced as keys and controllers but still your times over grandpa

[@jackr2287]

More range of motions required also. A bit more... physical. As well, all the terminals for all the IT infrastructure will still be in mouse and keyboard. There might be accessibility options, but ultimately what works is gonna stay, for backups, if nothing else.

[@axiezimmah]

In most cases I tend to prefer mouse and keyboard or controller over touch screen. There are only a handful of applications where touch screen is better.

[@TwiggehTV]

Physical buttons will always be superior to touch screens, thats one of the reasons why i prefer old cars for example

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

We obtained 1 generation of tech literacy. I used everything from vinyl to casettes, to cd's, dvd's, mp3 and streaming. I used every device possible to make that happen, and now we have the upcoming generation who knows one thing, touch screen. It's gonna be tough for them in the real world.

[@postblitz]

They know one thing because their parents failed them. There is no reason you can give me for a child to have a tablet in their hands other than parental avoidance: they don't care enough to spend time with their children and rely on tablets keeping them distracted, zombified, dead.

[@Runatta]

oh yea my school backpack wasnt used much for school books back in middle school and high school for me it was for my cd player and other tech stuff. Floppy Disk I had the multi colored packs and everything.

[@Malaka1802]

Yeah lets be honest, knowing how to insert a cassete and that you have to rewind it is not "tech literacy". I would argue the numbers of people who know how data is saved on that tape is and was minimal. I would also argue the number of mouse users that know how a mouse works technically is not that large. It's weird to look down on people who do not know tech that they have never seen. Its like sitting a 1970 guy in front of a railway telegraph station and saying he is not tech literate.

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

@@Malaka1802 It's not about knowing every ins and outs of how every device functions and how to repair it, it's about how to use them. If people of the age of 10+ don't know how to use a mouse, a controller, or how to interact with any physical form of media, their parents failed them. The question now is, are you one of those?

[@souptouchesme]

@@Malaka1802 Cassettes were important in the 80s because of recording. blank cassettes were very expensive but that's worth it to not have to be there for the ball game or whatever show you wanted to watch. the problem was it wasn't straightforward so you'd have to read instructions. nothing was standardized. A blank cassette would be over $200 in 2024-bucks, cost more than a vhs with something on it. no internet, go figure out what to buy. you had to read tech magazines to know the difference between products. i've played games with young pups think there was a google in the 80s. by the time vhs players were standardized you should have been on to DVDs. I've worked with young people and it's like working with old people. "have you tried reading/googling the instructions?" "have you tried turning it off and on again?" "you're giving up because it didn't work right away?" "you're giving up because you have to learn something new?" What fixes this? The people with that attitude are not ready for/have no business going into tech because there's going to be new software or hardware every week. Like if I told you that you could put your phone in developer mode, limit how many apps you can have in memory at a time and limit push notifications so your phone's battery could stay charged a couple days at a time; for those of who used constantly changing tech just knowing it's possible is enough information for us to do that to our phones. neither the youngest nor the oldest generation listens for comprehension, they want to be instructed so that they can do things by rote and not know anything. ignore the "looking down on people" thing, how did our generation fail you that you can't teach yourself a new skill? Mouse literacy is just being able to right or left click without looking down and use the scroll wheel/scroll button. it's important because video games may need to teach new players how to use a mouse as if they've never used one before. new PC users before were funneled to Minesweeper and Solitaire to tutorial a mouse.

[@knerf999]

I love mouse and keyboard Because it keeps my screen clear of... well, my hands.

[@arthurwintersight7868]

I love all the people who seem to ignore the fact that they're literally blocking their view of the screen by touching it.

[@SleekHeroo]

@@arthurwintersight7868 and the fact that the screens don't get any bigger doesn't help it. I used to play stardew valley on mobile but recently bought the pc version and I just can't go back to the mobile version or just any mobile games

[@artisan002]

"Hellooo, computer..." "A keyboard. How quaint."

[@TheQuackinator]

it feels so weird as an early 2000s kid having grown up using a computer with mouse and keyboard and knowing that those born just a few years later are experiencing all that so much differently i'm definitely gonna be an annoying boomer one day when it comes to this kind of thing lol

[@PrograError]

Sad to say this but for the current kids, you ARE the boomer… we all late 90s, 2000s kids all came up on the early days of the internet. If you remember the shitty memes like the Ermahgerd girl, early days of Corridor Crew with the IRL Portal and Minecraft videos, you are the quintessential internet boomer.

[@Dr1ftop1a]

@@PrograError Oh god. I am 24 but for these kids, i am 42...

[@ugriDnuub]

I remember being 11 something and installing Civ 1 from two 3.5 inch floppy discs, finding the right folder and booting the game from dos with a few commands my uncle had taught me. Windows 3.1 :P + English is my second language so that was just like typing magic spells at that time

[@asaguda]

Yes hello, I am also this old. I put shareware versions of Doom 1 and 2, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem 3D, Fate and other violent shooters on floppy discs and hid them so whenever dad would find them installed I could re-install them. Descent 3D, the weird 6DoF shooter, and some other things. Absolutely no clue what I was doing but it was fun. And later I learnt English early due to the likes of Starcraft, Warcraft 3, Age of Empires 1 and 2, Diablo 1 and 2, etc. Been a touch typist for decades, and today I geek out about fancy mechanical keyboards on occasion.

[@skeech1979]

lol. That’s cute. I used to use 5 1/4” floppy disks when I was five years old. Maybe that’s why I’m a hoarder of physical copies and absolutely loath digital copies of my games.

[@lebrewski3103]

@@skeech1979 I remember loading game on my CoCo2 from a tape cassette. I still have a 8" floppy in my desk. Oh, and punch cards.

[@Unclevertitle]

The issue I have with the concept that mouse and keyboard will phase out for touch screens is that mouse and keyboard still, to this day, offer higher precision than any touch screen interface. A mouse pointer can interact with pixel sized precision on a screen. A mouse pointer aims at more or less a single pixel. Further a mouse has sensitivity adjustments that can scale the amount of movement your hand makes relative to how much your pointer moves on screen. Big manual movement -> small screen movement = High precision. With a touch screen the number of pixels you affect is at minimum roughly around the size of the cross section of the end of your finger. You can kind of get slightly more precise by fiddling with edge angle and your fingernail maybe. But that's always seemed imprecise in practice. A stylus can improve the precision somewhat but it doesn't fix the next issue: Your manual movement to screen movement ratio is 1 to 1 and there's no way to change this. Being able to change this would remove all point in using a touch screen. In theory the app you're using can let you zoom in for finer tuned adjustments... but not all apps allow this interaction (it should be universal and fundamental even on the home screen of the OS) and this regardless reduces your awareness of the big picture by thrusting the big picture beyond the edges of the screen. Big manual movement -> big screen movement and small manual movement -> small screen movement = fixed precision Zooming lets you have finer control at the cost of limiting your immediate perception. Touch screens are phenomenally intuitive interfaces that are easy to pick up and learn, that doesn't and shouldn't make them the ONLY interface we learn. Brain interfaces are another story. It's a younger technology that we still don't really know the limits on and it could go in many different ways.

[@bigsmokegames9493]

Touch can offer scalable input sensitivity via a pointer widget

[@NickCorruption]

Yo this is a really well put together comment. I was gonna say something like this but you articulated it so well. One more thing though, with a touch screen, you have to suspend your entire arm in order to add an input, whereas with a mouse, you can still use the fine motor skills that your entire arm provides you, without having to suspend it in the air to add an input, your arm can rest on the desk while you use the mouse.

[@NickCorruption]

​@@bigsmokegames9493 While true, there is still the problem of the input changing when you lift your finger off of the screen and the contact point of your finger slightly changes as it leaves the acreen, resulting in an unwanted input.

[@fairystail1]

also just as a basic thing they are cheapr to relace if your mouse stops working you can buy one for 20 bucks but if your touch screen stops working then its expensive as hell to replace

[@Thugblader92]

"You want to have a sense of taste of your meal?" "Watch the neuralink ad streamed behind your retina to unlock flavours!"

[@wowthungsten]

You're going to have to buy a more expensive license for that.

[@dadygee]

I am 48 and I have been playing with everything from track balls, spinners, mouse/keybords, light-guns, the Duke.. but I also grew up in a world where my math teachers told us that " .. well you are probably never going to walk around with a calculator in your pocket so you have to learn how to calculate with pen and paper." My classmates asked me if I played cs:go and my answer was : dude, I played CS long before you were born.

[@arthurwintersight7868]

"You do understand that Counterstrike is older than you are, right?"

[@dadygee]

@@arthurwintersight7868 Not if you are refering to the game we so often call CS... that game is only 24 years old.

[@dadygee]

@@PincoPallino-zh8wm Our country was abit slow on tech back in the 80s :)

[@scottcampbell9456]

A calculator in our back pocket huh, who knew we'd have movie theatres in our back pocket. It has indeed been a wild 40yrs (I'm 48) and I'm glad I was here for it.

[@blals_os]

I’ll never forget how important it was that my school taught us how to use computers in like 1st grade because of how important it was gonna be. the fact that it is so important now adays, and yet learning it has been phased out, is crazy to me.

[@wowthungsten]

We had to be able to prove we know how to work with Microsoft Office applications. Nobody asks that anymore when you apply for a job. It's just taken as given that you know how to use Office applications.

[@archimedeswolf4677]

I'm only in my mid 20's and the fact that it was 50% makes ME feel old like god damn XD

[@ThanuG15]

I feel closer and closer to 30 🥲

[@AltPlus30]

it shouldn't work this way though it's more about a financial well-being and exposure of these kids than "ooh kbm and controller are too old"

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

Someday soon, we will see the first report of someone's mind getting hacked.

[@EndoftheBeginning17]

And all they'll see is ads, lots and lots of ads 24 hours a day. Like in Futurama

[@Justicetyga]

It already happened it’s called brainrot

[@DarkStarCoreX]

Brainrot, that's basically hacking someone's mind

[@TwiggehTV]

Inb4 the first mind got rickrolled

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

@@TwiggehTV think I found my way to get my name into the history books

[@mikezat6328]

The thought of having tech that would benefit and include someone who is paralyzed or missing limb; to be able to express themselves virtually, stay occupied, and interreact with others is a good thing.

[@Cheesus-Sliced]

Moreover, if they can control movement in a game reliably with it... think about the possibilities for exoskeletons, wheelchairs, prosthetics etc

[@ceno10101]

I remember taking my first computer class in middle school in 1994. Learned all about home keys and how to type and use computers.

[@mf--]

I have heard a lot of schools cut that stuff because everyone was a digital native only to find that there is a generation that cannot setup a basic writing document or type even a little bit.

[@ceno10101]

@@mf-- yeah, I think my kids had a typing class in 4th grade, but it didn't cover computers like the old days. Having tests on what a parts of a computer were, and how to use different microsoft programs.

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

Born in 04, I had a computer class, windows xp - vista lol. I remember playing around every flash player and sights that don't exsist anymore

[@menacingdonutz]

I feel so grateful to be born right before one of the big booms of tech. I remember the huge leaps in internet speed, from dial-up all the way to fiber. Cassettes to CD’s to mp3 to streaming. From the crappy early iterations of mice and keyboards all the way to big, bright, high-def touchscreens. I had to learn how to use every new thing, and the more I learned a new thing the easier it was to understand the next new thing that came out. My younger brothers missed a lot of that fast paced change and have a more difficult time adjusting to big leaps.

[@Dw7freak]

Sometimes you just need to teach kids about it not always being about them. "Why can't I just tap the screen!?" Because it wasn't made that way. "But why not!?" Because they just didn't. And even if they did, that monitor doesn't even support touch controls. "Why doesn't the monitor support touch controls!? My phone does!" Because it's not your phone. "Then why not get one that does!?" Because I wasn't going to spend an extra $200 on a feature that I would never use. Now learn how to use a controller like a normal person.

[@tuhaggis]

That's not teaching them anything. Your answers don't explain anything, and all it says about you is that you don't understand and never questioned it like they are.

[@scotts.7855]

10 years ago i bought my kids a touch screen for a PC. They, on their own, slowly migrated down to the keyboard and mouse. Modern solutions for modern problems.

[@Dr1ftop1a]

Thats a good one

[@jampleygameses]

I'm a guy who spent over a year playing with my phone, no controller, no keyboard, we didn't have the money for that stuff. I played many mobile games and emulated consoles like gba or NES, and all of that with touch screen, I would never play with touch controls only, they are good for Candy Crush or Plants vs Zombies, but awful for many other games. People with a brain realize that eventually, even if you are very used to touch controls like I was. This is like when people said that books would disappear because of the radio, or the radio would disappear because of TV. Also, given how paranoid people are about companies stealing their information, I'm suprised that so many people want a computer connecting to their brain, where our most private and dirty information is. Worthy of a horror movie.

[@wowthungsten]

I'm not worried about what anyone would make of reading my brain. I'm sorry for the poor sucker who would have to leaf through all that :-). Books will not disappear because they are superior technology: do not need batteries, do not change file format, do not need licensing rights [Amazon once removed a book from Kindle readers because of a license issue. The book was "Fahrenheit 451", the irony was super conducting on that one, you don't need a reader for it. When taken good care of books typically last for decades / centuries. Books are not going away.

[@Khrenan]

I played Pokemon Emerald (yes old) on my phone and i couldnt do the speed bike parcour in Rayquazas tower because i couldnt feel where my finger was on the movement input cross to be able to react quickly enough. Plus on touch screens you cannot see through your fingers. Touch is ok for some stuff but will never work for high intensity interaction

[@GEN47-27]

same! i played GBA emulators just fine but monster hunter 3 Freedom Unite emulated on Iphone was impossible

[@MrWebon]

Carnage always acts like “been there done that and harder” in every single interaction with Thor

[@ericmyrs]

In 10 years, keyboard and mouse will be a marketable skill.

[@arthurwintersight7868]

In my case it's already a marketable skill. I also type at 120 words per minute with 99% accuracy, so make of that what you will...

[@corvusgaming2379]

Just like how it was many, many years ago before us. I'm talkin' WW1/WW2.

[@corvusgaming2379]

@@arthurwintersight7868 I'm the same. 110 WPM with 100% accuracy.

[@arthurwintersight7868]

@@corvusgaming2379 - Perennially online desktop users FTW!

[@chriscaddock]

This is very reminiscent of that scene in Back to the Future II when Marty plays that shoot out game and the kids watching were disgusted that you had to touch the controller

[@ulture]

baby Elijah Wood

[@Nosics7]

Holy shit the statistic shocked me enough, but then realizing that these people were my age range?? I can’t tell if I should feel too old or too young

[@jackjumper4231]

2:22 I can make it worse for everybody. I remember when the first mouse was sold with the computer. I also remember computers without mouses.

[@nickvanruiven]

"Dude, your hand isn't even big enough to go over WASD yet" 🤣

[@charliedobbie8916]

I was an early adopter for mouse-control in an FPS. The precision control over aiming and extra visibility you got just by toggling +mlook was a revolution compared to pure keyboard control, but it took people time to understand that. Fast forward thirty years and we're still using mouse and keyboard because that combo still hasn't been beaten. It'll happen one day, but we ain't there yet.

[@0rbnotacus]

My kids are growing up on NES, SNES, PS1, N64 and PC, just like I did. My oldest is 6 and would put adults to shame. My youngest is 3, and he will come into my office, ask if he can play Mario, sit on the floor, turn on the SNES and CRT, navigate to whatever Mario he wants to play on Super Mario All-Stars/Super Mario World, and beat levels completely unassisted. These things bring me so much joy I can't believe it sometimes.

[@_gungrave_6802]

The scary thing is that it means that most parents would rather hand their kids a tablet or phone to be their "parent" than actually being their parent.

[@unclereno]

buddy starting the video with "OH GIVE IT TO ME!" is crazy - 0:08

[@themoagoddess1820]

1:50 this is how I was introduced to computers growing up, before touch screens in the home were a thing, don't be so surprised that kids these days need a little bit longer to understand that the home computer doesn't have a touch screen when they've been exposed to tablets and smart phones before they had conscious thought.

[@ScipiPurr]

In the vr space a recent trend has been for folk to use non-invasive bci to control avatar animations in vrchat. For avatars with non-human parts like furries or robotic avatars, it allows for some really awesome control you couldn't otherwise have, like wagging a tail just by feeling happy or excited

[@wintersmonologue]

This is still a battle I fight for all TV's in my house. . .

[@AidanMillward]

It is indeed mad how technology and the world is progressing. My wife is a teacher and the teacher she worked with last year was born 8 years later. Not a massive gap but other teacher didn’t know who the spice girls were because she was born right at the end of that period. So I’m thinking ten years from now, fifteen years from now, there will be a newly qualified teacher at her school that won’t know what an iPod is.

[@Civ33]

you could tell by their expressions that "old people stuff" remark was like a dagger 🤣 😭

[@LHitmaN47]

Wife said that Thor has the best voice :) She recognized his voice from the kitchen and came to see the clip

[@margibso]

I miss the days when a flight stick was standard gaming equipment. The interface affects both what games are made and how they are made. Games like Tie Fighter only work with the flight stick keyboard combo.

[@skaldtoast7747]

“You mean you have to use your hands?” “That’s like a baby’s toy!”

[@sharkfence576]

Someone bust out a VCR

[@PorkBelly-]

I prefer beta max

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

I was born in 04, I am the only one in the family that uses a vcr and stuff

[@arthurwintersight7868]

I still have a VCR and some VHS tapes. Not old enough to remember beta max though.

[@fredsmith1970]

When I got my first WIMP computer (Amiga 500 in 1987??) my dad (who would have been the age I am now) really struggled to use a mouse. He was like Scotty in The Voyage Home, when they go back to 1986 and he tries to use a computer of that time.

[@lmcgregoruk]

I think the first computer I used that had a mouse, was an Acorn Archimedes in Primary 7, we had BBC Micros at school before that, but they only had a keyboard, they didn't have a mouse. First computer we had at home with a mouse, was an Atari 1040 STe (I had a ZX Spectrum +2A before that), first PC (as in IBM-compatible) was a Packard Bell with MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in early 1995. (Before Windows 95 came out)

[@jollygoodshow]

Grew up in the eighties... I had a huge problem with touching the CRT monitors to show or explain something to people in the nineties, I learnt to control that but I feel like that urge to point and press and show is an age thing.

[@idHeretic]

zeke's joker laugh at that was amazing lol

[@BlooAku]

Watching this felt like I had choosen poorly when window shopping for a cup.

[@shapelessed]

Remember how people laughed at Apple's "what's a computer"...?

[@Madman2429]

The visualize image thing... the tech is already there to correct that. Ai models being able to interpret the images we visualize and thoughts we have into corresponding commands even if the specific mental image isn't hard coded.

[@shanematthews1985]

Just wait until you need to install an adblocker in your brain

[@NaudVanDalen]

Controlling things with your mind in serial is like using a keyboard that only allows a single key to be pressed at a time.

[@sf4137]

Damn, I started my kids on computers as soon as I was able to have a conversation with them.

[@TheAndreasB]

i got distracted everytime carnage said cereal, all i heard was al gore

[@ulture]

"You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy!" -Back to the Future II, 1985

[@Weezlenut]

I had a teacher in 2012 that was adamant that computing was going to eventually migrate to tablet form. That keyboard and mouse were eventually going to go the way of floppy drives. We all kind of laughed but I still think about him saying that all the time when I see how much tech has gone touch based now.

[@Jok3ySmurf]

Dammit Thor I wasn't ready for that last question.

[@rodolforincon8431]

Yeah, its serial but what happens if you think of an image that combines multiple actions, like what if instead of thinking of an image to move and another one to shoot, you could think of an image that means move and shoot, that ways serial would work, of course that would add a lot of complexity to you but if you can dominate that skill, you are gonna be way faster than others

[@phthisis]

"We're almost there" is the thought I had when I considered buying a VR headset, only to discover I would need to either wear contacts or buy specialized prescription lenses. Give me "the wired" already (Serial Experiments Lain). I mean, video games are starting to have exceptionally realistic graphics and controls that they're basically interactive movies...pretty soon, school kids will be complaining in class about being forced to watch a fictional film that they can't control. Of course, I'm always excited to see the current form of cybernetics... It seems pretty rudimentary right now, but when combined with these other technologies being discussed, it's super exciting.

[@dyzzee7861]

the first guy who got neural link is a paraplegic and while on rogans podcast he said he plays warzone so don't know what cohh was going on about at the end.

[@mf--]

They started talking about two different things. One was neural link and the other was specifically a noninvasive tech.

[@Slothptimal]

The ability to create is about to become so facile - "Computer, give me a black background. Draw a border. Insert a Pokemon sprite. Add spell Fireball" - and with generative AI and neurolink, we'll be able to think programming/art into reality.

[@harleydowning9306]

Mouse and keyboard are the tech community’s manual transmission. Gearheads and techies must unite!

[@IPLayedVR42Long]

My 3 grandkids grew up on a PS4 controller. We raised them right 😅

[@cheetahstrike2137]

I could never imagine myself going to touch controls for my day to day usage on my pc. Tiling window managers and memorizing hotkeys is so much more efficient than touch controls

[@howardheater8749]

man said, "I Want My Full Dive Nerve Gear" xD

[@howardheater8749]

me too tho..

[@Autodidact-t5c]

I love how even Thor gets interrupted in group chats, the god himself, so I feel less bad about my own social performance

[@BrendanMacsGuitarGear]

Red Dwarf: Better Than Life was prophetic in some way 😂

[@allaryin]

Many years ago, I heard familiar music coming from the next room over, so I went to investigate. I found my youngest playing Sonic the Hedgehog on a touchscreen... It was at that moment that I realized that I needed to get a game console for the kids.

[@jordanmancini]

I can't believe that we have only achieved 1.5 generations of tech literacy... Imagine being told that only 1.5 generations can read English, but all of the signs don't have pictures and only words. That's essentially what it's like with tech. Older generations refuse to learn how to use new-ish technology and younger generations weren't taught enough of older technology.

[@daikansanchez7674]

Here is the biggest issue with these leaps and bounds in tech: The physical skills needed to operate a computer make you engage differently. The fact that you have to learn languages and shortcuts makes you better at learning and solving problems while using a computer. The hand gestures and swipes do make your brain lazier and also help develop ADHD faster because of the information input time. That's why, even though kids these days are more tech savvy, they are worse at tech support than the previous generations. These issue with tech advancing so fast that we can barely keep up with it within the lifespan of a generation makes think of the phrase "just because we can, doesn't mean we should".

[@xScruffyDaSasquatchx]

Its not that they assumed it was a touch screen that broke me, its that as described in another version of Thor's story some kids pushed the controller to the side to reach the screen

[@robertrockwell8995]

Cohn hits the nail on the head. The problem is that it's trying to work on the idea of conceptualizing an image. It should be going for muscle memory.

[@Xylos144]

"Mouse and Keyboard will be old people shit." No. It'll just be what's used for anyone that wants to get real work done. Which isn't really surprising or damning - there's always a much smaller number of people creating things than consuming them. But touchscreens are clumsy and inaccurate which only matters when there are so few choices that mistakes aren't likely and repeated mistakes don't cost you anything.

[@ElmundotheGreat]

When I was eight I had spectrum zx+2, imagine a kid on that. Best time ever.

[@TheAngelOfDeath01]

The scary part is that they cannot even write on a keyboard. When I upgraded my PC in 2022, I refurbed my old computer and gave to 3 kids that children of some very close friends. And they use the COMPUTER more than tablet. When i showed them that you can hook up controller to a computer there were screams all around. You can hook up a controller to a tablet, just fine; but the fact that kids sit still, they are not outside and playing and jumping around in mudpuddles, and they don't know how to use a mouse or a keyboard is just SCARY. I have another friend whose kid started playing football/soccer. And he had gone on and on and on about wanting to play, wanting to play, wanting to play for MONTHS. He played for a week -- two practices and a game on the weekend... he stopped cause it hurt too much... THIS IS BAD.

[@shahs1221]

I'm super late, but this reminded me how when Apple was starting to make waves where I'm from (SEA, so much later than the States/Europe), my dad and I would actually attend classes on how to operate their systems since it was so different to Windows. How quaint that all sounds in hindsight now 😅

[@usedcolouringbook8798]

3:43 Finally, my autism will be a super power

[@drakkeplayz9048]

Idk, maybe is just USA, my kids are 10 and 13, the older one can use a PC for making power point presentations (homeworks form school), obviously he plays video games, he learn alone how to do video editing both for games montages and for homeworks and with a bit of help he also can do troubleshooting if he has problems with games or the PC itself. The younger one at 10 he know how to shot down a pc without pressing the power button at least :D jokes aside he know how to search for a game and start it. Maybe is my bias as a developer and a tech nerd but here in Italy we are used to learn how to use the thecnology and for how long not just as a tool to free yourself from the responsibility of keeping children busy and abandon them in front of an iPad.

[@JoelRosenfeld]

This reminds me about this scene out of Back to the Future 2. "You have to use your HANDS? That's like a baby's toy." kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX7cYq2FbdJrqa8

[@recycledfelines]

" The future is now old man "

[@thevoid98052]

the any key meme shall never die

[@jukesdtj656]

Grew up on controller, resorted to touch screen, adapted to mouse and keyboard. Value is not found in the newest system, it's in the ability to use all interfaces. Anyone can learn the newest thing, but only you can choose to learn it all.

[@zomBmoon]

The guy that got the nurolink said it was like having an aimbot in his head

[@SirSicCrusader]

Not being one of those "well i did/didnt x im so better than you" parents but my kids had pcs from pretty much the start, and once they were old enough they had one each, even when I got them fire tablets, they don't give a damn about them, because they like the machines that do everything... they even have an xbox, which was for game pass, but once steam family sharing had that update that made it WAY better came along, they basically don't use it anymore cause I own the vast majority of game pass games AND a hell of a lot more. once my ultimate runs out I'm proably just gonna sell their xbox and build them a htpc that runs steam os instead :D

[@MintRobin]

It's a mindset. It doesn't have to become an "old person thing" it can become a "professional user thing". Taking a gamble on BCI, as I could be wrong because of that. But right now, if you use mouse/keyboard, you're superior in many ways.

[@SombraBranca]

I'm 19, and I use keyboard and mouse ever since 16 years ago when my dad put me to play CoD (2003), image a 35 year old, balding dude saying "press this button to throw grenades" to a 3 year old. Not only did I grew up with mouse and keyboard but, with videogame controllers too.

[@briandev8]

I love thor, but you can't correlate them reaching out to touch a screen with them never using a controller. I occasionally reach out to touch a screen that isn't touch screen, and I'm 43

[@TheSandsofFlowingTime]

Any time i encounter a touchscreen monitor, i never realise that it is until someone points it out, or i stumble across the driver for it. My first reaction is to use mouse and keyboard. Now i feel old

[@xd3athclawx554]

This is why if I ever have kids I will bring them up on older-ish gen stuff. Mouse and keyboard is 100% here to stay, controller to an extent too, though less likely compared to mnk.

[@Slackw4x]

but my neurolink identifies itself as keyboard

[@SephirothsBIade]

"mouse and keyboard is old people stuff" .... its an objectively superior input device. The worst that can happen is accidentally hitting the wrong key or having dust inside the mouse sensor. Touchscreen doesnt work right in the best of conditions. Oops I sneezed and now the screen thinks i am spam clicking on snot. I will change from mouse and keyboard only once an actually effective option exists

[@n3r0wolfe]

anyone ever read "day of the cheetah" by dale brown .. neurallink type thing for flying fighter aircraft

[@charlescourtwright2229]

one area of gaming i would love to see expand is vr, mainly with better and cheaper tracking software/hardware, think ready player one

[@KevRyanCG]

Not the worst but I did work for a big VFX company, and I could date the internal software they had written for say, renaming parts of asset packs or caches or whatever, because the guy who coded it had put in little rage comics from the noughties in there. Very quick way to date it when there's a guy shouting FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU on there.

[@MajkaSrajka]

What do you mean by the "when [touch controls] becomes the default"? How many smart phones are there in the world, and how many PCs are there? They already are the default.

[@Poetax]

I tried to show my niece my portable drawing tablet screen that is not touch screen, and she kept trying to use touch controls. It was very surreal. Like, use the pen...?

[@soloshottie]

a physical input for games, imo, will always be superior to a mental input, because a physical input allows you to focus your mental energy more on the game than on the controls. even if you teach someone to use mental controls efficiently, that cant be less mentally taxing than a physical input. it just cant

[@Alex.Holland]

physical controls are just mental controls with added input latency to move meat around with chemical signals. we can just read the mental input that you want to move your hand and have that be much much faster than waiting for you hard to move.

[@MorbidEel]

That is going to be tricky. Ultimately it will depend on how similar each person is from other people when performing the same task. Does everyone's "brain signals" look the same when they are trying to move their character or it is going to be like speech to text in the early days where you had to train the software?

[@Mocorn]

Towards the end they speak about the inputs being serial where you cannot have overlapping commands like straight left while shooting. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that this is not the case with the neuralink implant?