Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow: who would you rather have? - Wiley & Acho I NFL I SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

[@SpeakOnFS1]

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[@marcusmaxwell9487]

Joe

[@phonephone2996]

Justin Herbert is way better, it’s not even close. Plus he has the most room to grow. No one mentioned that he has had new offensive coordinators both years in the NFL and 3 different ones in college. Also no one mentioned how much smarter he is. He won awards for academics in college and played 3 sports in high school and uses his skills from baseball and basketball in his play. Herbert will break the passing yards record in the next 5 years for sure with this 17 game season format and will win a super bowl within a couple years. Stayley will fix his defense this year with new peronsel through the draft and through free agency with our large cap space we will have this off season. Burrow is right up there and fits perfect with his team. So both great but Herbert is the best quarterback I’ve seen since Peyton Manning and could potentially be even better. Just watch the tape and u will see. Love the show guys. Keep it 100. Both Herbert and burrow will be future HOF if they keep their success and stay healthy.

[@hussleup6615]

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[@prestoncurry4136]

Here's a fun fact... the raiders beat the chargers and kept them out the playoffs. And the Bengals beat na swept the raiders and sent them home... same with the titans. So please herb isn't in the conversation with joe. He good but he ain't joe.

[@DavidBrown-mm8fx]

@@prestoncurry4136 didn't Herbert beat Joe this year?

[@citadelo5ricks]

Justin Herbert, his game against the Raiders (although they lost) was the most stellar quarterback performance I've seen in years.

[@KaliLife619]

No cap.

[@andrewstacy3937]

Guess who beat the Raiders twice this season?

[@KaliLife619]

@@andrewstacy3937 guess who doesn't care?

[@Dorian-kj8uh]

You didn't watch bills vs chiefs on Sunday

[@RickityRawDawg]

@@andrewstacy3937 guess who dog walled the bengals this year?

[@nicholasfonti8139]

Just sitting here admiring how cool it is that we can have this conversation with two young QB's. Gotta love the present and future of football!

[@kurtkremer5631]

Lol one is in super bowl

[@poolr-0077]

@@kurtkremer5631 no one even asked

[@ChreamOhWheat]

I dont see none of these qbs winning more than two sb's because it's too much talent at that position now

[@herberto123]

it’s very obvious when someone hasn’t paid enough attention to herbert and the chargers, all the blame for losses falls on him when he could not have played more masterfully. their defense was pitiful but nobody remembers that.. when the chargers defense becomes good or even reliable, the league will be shaking

[@lordtwiwi6076]

underrated comment

[@guerrysaintjean8573]

Exactly scary hours pending

[@Chrism7178]

Everyone that seen the film be picking up on the BS right away. I honestly dot think it's close. Herbert is the kinda special we've never seen before.

[@MrBugman3009]

yep. hopefully the defense will be top 10 this year. See what he can do with a good defense. And, chargers lead the leaue in dropped passes. And, how many TD's were called back because of penalties? And, Parham dropping that TD against the chiefs because he hit his head on the grpund and suffered a concussion. If he dont drop that pass, chargers probanly beat the chiefs.

[@frankystrings]

Because he's not that good. His only ability his chuck it deep. He can't read a defense as good as Burrow that's why he hasn't made a playoffs yet

[@zach6395]

I think fifteen years from now, we will still be having this conversation. These two are on the trajectory to be all-time greats. Bengals/Chargers/Chiefs/Bills are going to control the AFC for years in my opinion.

[@King_Verb_]

Ravens? Titans? Colts? What are they going to be doing? Baltimore can clearly compete minus the injuries they were 8 and 3 before the injuries became too much. Tennessee can clearly compete with all of those teams and did over the course of the season, a couple of better coaching decisions and they're in the title game, not Cincinnati (and I'm a Bengals fan). The Colts are a QB away, and it doesnt even have to be a great QB, just middle of the pack.

[@tyrannosaurus696]

Burrow won't last 15 years with that O-line and that many sacks per game.

[@King_Verb_]

@@tyrannosaurus696 you do understand that this team is a rebuild right? You clowns act like they're just not going to do more O line work, dont be stupid. The world still mad that Cincinnati didnt draft the one offensive lineman they tried to bully them into drafting.....this was an entirely different team 4 years ago...coaching staff rebuilt this team in 3 years stop hatin

[@joshhughart289]

They have and they have won in Arrowhead literally. They are a few moves away from building a juggernaut.

[@yaboimudd2793]

@@King_Verb_ I DONT SEE THE RAVENS GOING THAT FAR IN THIS CONFRENCE WITH LAMAR JACKSON TO ME HE IS NOT THE GREATEST AT THE QB ROLE HE IS A GREAT RUNNER BUT IF HE IS FORCED TO ONLY THROW THE BALL HE ISNT ABLE TO GET THE JOB DONE. BUT IF THE RUN GAME AND THE PASSING GAME IS WORKING THEY CANT BE STOPPED.

[@Hi_Its_Chris]

I look at it this way: would either team trade their guy for the other? I’m sure that 95% of fans for each team would prefer their current QB, which shows you how well they fit on their teams. I love Herbert, but I absolutely respect how good Burrow has been. I just wish this comparison wasn’t so prominent, because I want to watch them both succeed without having to secretly hope for Burrow to stumble a little so that my guy can look better.

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

That's a great way of looking at it. Cheers.

[@michaelbell5]

If Herbert gets a reliable defense, look out! If Burrow gets a good offensive line, both of these guys will give Mahomes and Josh Allen a run for their money.

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

@@michaelbell5 All true... quarterback is the most "dependent" position in sports.

[@Hi_Its_Chris]

@@michaelbell5 totally true! Allen and Mahomes are in great positions. Fortunately Herbert and Burrow have a chance to improve their positions in free agency and the draft this year. I think both teams have a ton of cap space.

[@grichkatayou7558]

Burrow and Herbert is like Brady and Manning … Burrow & Brady less natural talent , Big hearts , they want it ! Herbert & Manning , Absolute talent

[@willplyler2954]

We need Wiley back forreal. This show isn't the same anymore.

[@parkertowles2401]

Why can’t we just admit Burrow and Herbert are both great and will do great things for their franchises for the next decade. And that Miami is the one who ef’d up taking Tua

[@0624tre]

Why do u consider herbert great

[@samkellogg2805]

@@0624tre look at the analytics. You do understand that he’s very young and just do some research.

[@Theguv-nor]

2yd Tua 🤣

[@SouthernBrick]

@@0624tre Herbert is a great talent there is no denying that. Rodgers is a great talent, Manning was a great talent there is no if and or buts the numbers speak for themselves. Herbert didnt have a good enough team to get into the playoffs Herbert played good enough he wasnt the reason they missed the post season. Burrow is better right now and has a better squad. Burrow is a little better not by much there are differences in both teams as to why one is in the playoffs and the other isnt. Tua the jury is still out on him. We'll see.

[@0624tre]

@@SouthernBrick I seen Peyton Manning not have good teams and still make the playoffs. Same with Aaron Rodgers

[@treveljohnson6816]

I like Herbert but you guys act like Joe Burrow didn't pick up where he left off at LSU..dude has a cannon and has had one since high school and he has a never die attitude with the skill to shy away from nobody.

[@eisleywilleto2171]

"a cannon." There's levels to throwing power. He has Brady type throwing power, which is satisfactory. But, his throws gets to its target with precision. But is it Josh Allen, Matt Stafford or even Bret Favre type throw velocity.. even ARod or Mahomes, no. Mahomes and Herbert have better velocity by about a level or two above Burrow. Burrow has an above average throw power.

[@RickityRawDawg]

You mean when he was throwing to, two receivers this year that are top 5 in the NFL, justin jefferson and jamaar chase, along with NFL RB Clyde edwards Helaire? (CEH)?

[@geeosama8016]

Justin herbert is better .

[@easyenetwork2023]

@@geeosama8016 There is more to a QB than raw numbers.

[@joshhughart289]

Right and Herbert has way more than raw numbers. His receivers also led the NFL with 33 dropped passes. Even if you don't account for Herbert's bottom of the NFL defense if you give him 5 less dropped passes they chargers are in the playoffs this year.

[@miguelmorales4334]

Herbert's defense fails him Burrows doesn't Herbert in 2 season's has broken all qb records has to do more period.

[@brreezy421]

Burrows o line was like last in the league and he dragged them to a super bowl. I mean both r absolutely fantastic tho

[@jacobarnal9432]

Herbert had 5 game winning drives this year, 3 last year as a rookie and i can think of at least 2 other games in his career where he threw a game winning pass or got them into field goal range to win the game and got let down be his team (last year Raiders, Saints) look it up and he throws the perfect pass just as much as Burrow. Herbert has no control over dropped passes or missed field games. People who say Herbert is all talent and not enough intangibles does not actual watch him in these pressure moments.

[@zacharyhayes96]

Well we will watch him this weekend, oh wait.

[@crex6090]

according to pro football reference he's at 8 game winning drives

[@bigb9332]

How many times he done it in the playoffs? Herbert threw a bad pick which end up costing his team in the end. That’s why he didn’t play in the playoffs. Burrow is the better qb

[@crex6090]

@@bigb9332 HAHA WHAT? What pick? And Burrow had just as many picks buddy

[@tallonjones8514]

@@bigb9332 I’m confused what was the bad pick he threw

[@tyrannosaurus696]

The lack of QB talent in the upcoming draft shows just how lucky the league has been over the past few seasons. Love watching both these QBs, although if I had to choose it would be Herbert all day. Herbert is clutch - shows absolutely no nerves on 4th down and the game on the line.

[@howtodrown]

Have you watched the playoffs?

[@GinjaNinja10]

@@howtodrown yeah Herbert did everything he could within his power. His defense failed him.

[@futurekillerful]

A battle of two different philosophies on QBs… talent with lesser intangibles vs lesser talent with great intangibles.

[@SwypeTee]

Can't deny that burrow stepped up this yr. Yes he beat the raiders but performance wise it Wasnt as good as Herbert.

[@easyenetwork2023]

Why not? He won. Did not throw a costly interception either. Never got into desperation 4th downs really.

[@raijin8718]

@@easyenetwork2023 Herbert manages to convert those 4th downs despite this team leading the league in drops (including TDs and 3rd/4th down conversions) and folks never realize this guy hasn't had consistency in Oregon or from the Chargers. First time Herbert will have the same HC from the season prior since like HS but he still balls out regardless. He's gonna get 40-50 TDs next season cuz he's not even playing his best football rn yet

[@hsp8018]

@@raijin8718 Well, in Herbert's junior and senior year at Oregon he had Mario Cristobal as a his head coach and Marcus Arroyo as his offensive coordinator. But yeah I get what your saying in his second year with the same coaching staff at Oregon he led them to a 12-4 record and they won the Rose Bowl and he was the offensive MVP.

[@513hook513]

Herbert was always in 4th down againstthe Raiders. Burrow is very accurate and better at reading defenses. Herbert has a better arm yes and more athletic. Burrow plays the game how it is. He spoke on that after losing to the Jets. That guy is ahead of Herbert in QB IQ. He is Tom Brady or Montana like

[@domroot9012]

J Herbo

[@yrnsheik4451]

Facts

[@damienaiden4302]

Reminds me of Brady vs Rodgers. Herbo has more talent but Burrows intangibles are off the chart. They both, especially Herbo, need new coaches

[@damienaiden4302]

@Pierre Lesperance leadership, confidence, the way his teammates respond to him and elevate their game. Herbo leads by example, which is fine, but unless you're constantly doing something spectacular it doesn't raise the morale of the team. Confidence is such a huge part of sports. I've seen juggernauts get steamrolled because they allowed the other team to believe they had a chance. A great leader makes sure all his teammates know that he has supreme confidence in them so in the biggest moments he can go to anybody and they will have the confidence to step up. Compare that to Rodgers who kept forcing it to Adams because that's the teammate he trusted the most even though others were wide open. Not saying Herbo can't develop into a better leader but the Chargers don't play with the same level of confidence as the Bengals and it doesn't help that their coach is a degen gambler

[@0624tre]

Naw Brady n Rodgers make the playoffs every year. How many times Herbert been to the playoffs? Chargers had 12wins 2 years before he came. So they have declined with Herbert

[@damienaiden4302]

@@0624tre that's fair. I'm just giving Herbo leeway because he started at a younger age. Rodgers sat for like 3 years and played on a better team with a better coach. But honestly he wasn't a great coach either 😂

[@ninobrown3394]

Umm did you forget about Patrick Mahomes. How did he get left out??? Them 2 boys ain't even won nothing

[@damienaiden4302]

@@ninobrown3394 nah Mahomes is washed bro.. lol jk we're talking about 2nd and 3rd year players. Mahomes is already in his prime. I chose Rodgers bc Mahomes is a vocal leader who hypes his teammates so the comparison didn't make sense

[@yrnsheik4451]

Justin Herbert by far

[@cc-92]

By far??? 🧢

[@isaacibarra4974]

Herbert is better. He had the 3rd worst defense in the league this year while the Bengals were around the middle. The only reason the Chargers went 9-8 was because of Herbert. Burrow threw for 0 TDs and 1 pick against the Titans, and his team was able to pick up the slack to help win the game. If Herbert does that, the Chargers get blown out. He has to play perfectly week in and week out bc his defense and special teams are so unreliable. With over 80 million in cap space and 11 draft picks next year, the Chargers will bolster their defense, win more games, and should be in the playoffs. Again, it’s a team sport and the Bengals have a better team overall. Offensively they’re pretty evenly matched, but the Bengals special teams and defense is better without question and they still only won one more game than the Chargers. Burrow is a beast but Justin Herbert is still the better quarterback IMO.

[@nujurzsavage3843]

Preach. Telesco better let Staley get that defense right if he wants to dethrone the chiefs

[@brandonasiamah8205]

Herbert is not winning that game getting sacked 9 times.

[@isaacibarra4974]

@@brandonasiamah8205 Herbert doesn’t get sacked 9 times that game bc he has a quicker release, has the arm talent to make crazy throws on the run/under pressure, and is better at moving around the pocket to avoid sacks. Herbert had the 31st ranked o line last year and didn’t get sacked nearly as much as Burrow. He was a top ranked QB under pressure by PFF last year and this year for a reason.

[@brandonasiamah8205]

@@isaacibarra4974 Can’t compare mobility with these two yet Burrow is still recovering from his knee so he’s not as shifty as he can be yet. If he still has high sack numbers next year then you have a point.

[@nujurzsavage3843]

@@brandonasiamah8205 herbert wouldn't get sacked that many times. But if he did and our defense good Tennessee to 16 points I bet we win by more than 3 points at the last second

[@ericwilliams9360]

As a Chargers fan I'd say it's difficult to knock either QB. Herbert had more trouble against cover 2 defenses than Burrow did last season, and Burrow is a bit more efficient and less prone to throw hero balls that get picked, but Herbert definitely has more raw talent that jumps off the screen. I'd be thrilled with either. It'll be fun to hopefully watch a great Bengals/Chargers rivalry develop over the next 15 years. The 2021 game was insane for sure. Herbert came away looking better but Burrow was throwing with a pretty grisly finger injury on his throwing hand and still almost managed a huge comeback.

[@sportsdude9172]

respect

[@GLImAdam]

Tell me you’ve never watched Burrow play without telling me you’ve never watched Burrow play

[@WIZ-BK-LA]

He looks like he panics under pressure 😂

[@SycoticForeverNeverAF]

Burrow will play for a grand total of 5 years because he’ll be in a wheel chair with that god awful o line

[@joelrivera5871]

Bad o line and yet still playing in the playoffs how did Herbert perform in the playoffs oh wait 👁👄👁

[@Thebucs14625]

@@WIZ-BK-LA LMAO so you never watched him just say that

[@WIZ-BK-LA]

@@Thebucs14625 That was my sarcastic response to the challenge! No one in their right mind would say that Burrows can’t handle pressure🤔 My other comment would be that he looks like he is too soft and would collapse if he felt some real pain!😂

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

I love both of these quarterbacks, but let's not dismiss Joe's college accolades or the fact that he's taking the Bengals to the Superbowl in year two. It's clear he's got the champion aura because if you can take a dumpster fire team like Cincinatti to the Superbowl, then you're straight up special. As great as Herbert is now and is great as I think he can become, the guy doesn't seem to have that same aura. To me it's kind of like comparing Joe Montana and Dan Marino. Or Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. The latter in both cases looks better and seems more "talented" but the former has unexplainable intangibles.

[@Chrism7178]

a top 10 defense with a top 4 run defense and top 5 sack leader with the #3 rusher and two top 10 WRs is your idea of a dumpster fire?...Y'all really gotta stop man. Bengals nearly had 3 1000 yards receivers...y'all act like Burrow carried the team. He didnt have to. Ask he had to do was not take so many sacks.

[@karnliberated8891]

@@Chrism7178 Bengals were not a top 10 defense wtf you talking about lmao Yes they were good against the run cuz they were 6th worst against the pass. They were like hovering at 20th all year across the board. They didnt reach top 15 at all..even with a top 5 run defense. They played their tails off on the last couple games and playoffs which made them look way better than they were. The WRs ill give you but you have to also account for 71 sacks from the worst Oline in the league.

[@Chrism7178]

They were 10th-12th all year...nice try though

[@Chrism7178]

top 5 vs run..had a top 5 sack leader....do your research.

[@Chrism7178]

Burrow got carried and lucky. Wont make playoffs this year

[@sbthesage2100]

Idgaf what anyone says give me Justin

[@johnjames502]

Joe Burrow is in the AFC championship and Justin Herbert is at home. Good talk.

[@K94507]

That may be the laziest take I’ve seen.

[@mohammadrashid1287]

Pzzzz

[@mohammadrashid1287]

Zppp

[@mohammadrashid1287]

Ppppp

[@blueballedtech]

@@K94507 exactly it's tv talk, and I'm a Chiefs fan.

[@Chartlaub5]

So we now have our next gen. Mahomes. Allen. Burrow. Herbert. Liking it. Also, all great faces for football.

[@NickSibz]

The AFC in the coming years is going to be INSANE. IMO the QB order: Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Jackson and Carr. Regardless, we in for some awesome football.

[@NickSibz]

@@AB-sm4sf He's got a lot of work to do. I'm a Jets fan and Wilson needs work as well.

[@tommydevine9993]

@@NickSibz can't forget Mac and Lawrence as well, along with any other potential guys can ming out of the draft the next few years. Honestly, Russ and Deshaun Watson could end up on AFC teams as well (Miami, Pittsburgh, Denver)

[@NickSibz]

@@AB-sm4sf I agree with you and hope they both take a big next step.

[@easyenetwork2023]

@@AB-sm4sf He is on a worst team than maybe the Bengals were and I am not sure he is better than those other QBs.

[@brreezy421]

@@AB-sm4sf very agreed. Afc is spoiled af with crazy qbs ahead of schedule right now. Like u said, even josh allen was innacurate af his first few years now hes like mvp caliber. Gotta give some these guys time to grow

[@sgtslaughter573]

Wiley has elevated himself to goat status with this take Joe burrow walks up " come on" while Justin Herbert ninja star "pew pew pew"

[@kewlioclub]

Literally makes no sense

[@istealthlgaming1859]

Herbert seems solid, but Burrow is that dude. I hadn't watched Joe Burrow play until the national championship. instantly became a fan. Joey B is a beast

[@AscendAR]

Lol "Herbert is Solid". Has Statistically the best first 2 years to a career ever for QB and he is "Solid". Some people

[@finessewrld23]

@@AscendAR seem “solid” this guy 😂

[@elijahjacob872]

@@AscendAR Better than Mahomes?

[@elijahjacob872]

@@AscendAR Nvm just remembered 2018 is technically not his rookie year.

[@istealthlgaming1859]

@@AscendAR is he as good as Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Brady, Rodgers, Russel Wilson? No, not yet. Til he accomplishes something he’s in that 2nd tier with guys like Dak. They solid, but if ur gonna miss the playoffs because you lost the Texans u aint gettin more than a solid from me

[@JBlair-87]

Wiley acts like Herbert’s knee wouldn’t buckle if he took that same freaky hit.

[@RMLtiger]

Burrow has more leadership and intangibles. By far! Joe Montana wasn’t the greatest athlete. He didn’t have a great arm. But he had that “it” factor. Joe Burrow is the next Montana in my opinion. Burrow has that swag that his team will fight to the death for him. No question Herbert is extremely gifted but Burrow is a different dude. He’s a true leader! He’s a winner! Burrow > Herbert.

[@cloudboy9431]

Facts 💯

[@emekaamerican863]

How do you know he has more leadership? Lol I can understand if you were in both locker rooms.

[@joshuachristopher5181]

I hate when ppl think you’re a better leader bc you put a cigar in your mouth. You’re not in the locker room so we don’t know. I was surprised how much of a leader Mitch trubisky was bc we as fans are not looking behind the scenes.

[@carlito_148]

Ive been saying he reminds me of Montana. So many similarities in the way his guys always have room to run catching ball in stride

[@bitnissan]

@@emekaamerican863 He took a took a bottom feeder team to a division championship game...Herbert may have better ability but he had a good team but couldn't make the playoffs...I mean well as it stands now it just seems that way but hey I may be wrong...but look at Brady he ain't as talented as Aaron Rodgers but he's a better team mate and leader.

[@rollotomassi6232]

Joe Burrow has played 9 “must win games” during his college & pro career 2019 LSU - Bama, UGA (SEC Title), Oklahoma (Semi Final), Clemson (Natty) 2021 Bengals - Ravens (Week 16), Chiefs (Week 17). Raiders (Wild Card), Titan (Divisional), Chiefs (AFC Championship) 9 - 0 W - L 3,614 Passing Yds. (401/game) 31 TD 2 Int. And counting!

[@taleywalley]

Wiley is disqualified from talking about qb’s because he still thinks Herbert is better than Mahomes. I know he’s a homer but that’s asinine.

[@finessewrld23]

He’s not better but it’s close Herbert ain’t no player to over look

[@undefeatedpacifist8389]

@@finessewrld23 it’s not close at all. Kyler had his best players injured and both RBS injured in. A much harder schedule and toughest division in football and he still made the playoffs and was 1 win off home field advantage. Why does Herbert get all these excuses the chargers offence is loaded

[@taleywalley]

@@finessewrld23 He’s not close not even in the same tier as Mahomes. Herbert is all stats and flash without the most important part of being a top qb which is winning and nobody does winning better in the league than Mahomes besides Brady

[@JonathanBLerner]

Wow. Wiley pretty much just told the world "I say extreme, stupid things...cause Imma win this debate!!" Not that he had to tell anyone, it’s painfully obvious. That’s the problem with these debate shows, you can always tell the difference between those making genuine arguments, and the clowns who are just doing theater.

[@Boston_CremePie]

Marcellus be wildin and being disrespectful comparing Jimmy G to Burrow. Jimmy G was never in the same class as a QB as Joe B. The consistency of Joe B’s success since college, into the pros is on another level if we’re being honest. Jimmy G fell into the right system and great organization and was carried by that. Joe B led one of the greatest College championship in recent history and elevated the freaking Cincinnati Bengals into respectability in less than 2 seasons.

[@fullspectrumgeek5925]

Acho giving too much credit for wins forgetting the defense.

[@patrickholub9698]

Acho you said Herbert wasn’t gonna be good, you were wrong now you are saying he compromised Anthony Lynn’s job? Reaching big time dogg

[@MeloTheSsj4]

Wiley is always Gunna pick the players from teams he plays for but!!! He right

[@hiltonlouque1504]

So cold to criticize Burrow's reconstructed knee!

[@davidkyle3657]

"The divorce rates is high" I literally spit out my drink 😂 it's so sad but so true but that's another discussion. Job well done fellas 👏🏾

[@Uhaul75]

Wiley talked about dragon slayers and that Herbert lost to Mahomes (the dragon) but came close (regular season) But sidestepped the fact that Burrow threw for 4 touch downs and 466 yards in a win against Mahomes lol I’m confused why that wasn’t brought up Looking back at this on 4/13/22…..this aged very very well

[@iJeffChiefsKing]

Justin beat the chiefs in week 3

[@masterchief2835]

Herbert beat Mahomes week 3 at Arrowhead do research before you spew nonsense about a player you don’t follow

[@Golf05]

@@masterchief2835 The Chiefs were struggling to find themselves around that time. They were ripe for the taking but week 17 is when Burrows and company put an L on the Chiefs when their game was on the upswing.

[@Uhaul75]

@@Golf05 thank you! Ole Thunder Struck doesn’t understand context. Why would I mention when the chiefs was struggling?

[@applepr0digy186]

@@Uhaul75 bro what u csnt jus count that out lol he still best the chiefs

[@DavidTorres-is6wo]

Justin herbert beat Andrew luck's in touchdowns twice back to back. Justin herbert beat Dan Marino rookie season too. Justin herbert got rookie of the year and he getting pro bowl. Justin herbert 31 touchdowns his rookie season no other quarterback has ever had that many touchdowns ever. Our defends isn't as good the bagels..

[@JAS0N_M00RE]

Herbert Regular season passer rating this season 97.7 Joe Burrow regular season passer rating this season 108.3

[@RickityRawDawg]

how about the more meaningful stat, QBR? Justin herbert career QBR: 64.1 2020: 62.6 2021: 65.6 Joe burrow career QBR: 51.4 2020: 48.5 2021: 54.3

[@melvinyoung2264]

Chargers #1 team in Dropped passes....just saying

[@easyenetwork2023]

@@melvinyoung2264 He had more yards, so they made up for dropped passes somewhere. Not to mention, some dropped passes are on the QB if he threw a ball behind a guy.

[@marcusmaxwell9487]

Joe

[@str8legj]

This show got rid of Whitlock and now Wiley is taking the mantle for stupid takes.

[@Matt-dg5rm]

Love these guys! Great chemistry and such fun

[@charliebrown4004]

Wileys take on Joe hasn't aged well... lol

[@BoltPlagueTV]

doesnt matter. what matters is winning. winning is all that matters.

[@KleinpeterHank]

Yea let’s talk about availability. One guys available in the AFCCG the other guy is available on the couch. Btw both are great just thought I’d slip that in there.

[@finessewrld23]

Yup just like Rodgers and brady r in the couch and jimmy g in the NFC conference great argument lol

[@KleinpeterHank]

@@finessewrld23 Well now Burrows available in the super bowl.

[@easyenetwork2023]

One is on you fantasy team as a starter, the other one is playing starters on his fantasy league team now.

[@spliffgod5941]

The 1 knee ring 💍 quote was a dime 😆

[@tomasvillarreal2052]

If Justin Herbert had even the 15th rank defense in the NFL the chargers win 12 games. Since Herbert has been in the league no team has allowed opponents to score more than 30 then the chargers

[@kjb200814]

If he’s as good as everyone keeps saying he’d win in spite of

[@undefeatedpacifist8389]

@@kjb200814 mahomes defence for that 2018 season was just as bad and mahomes got MVP and the 1 seed Herbert gets to many excuses if he was as good as people think they guarantee a playoff spot kyler had a tougher schedule and got injured and still made the playoffs with no JJ and D hop.

[@stephenfoust4450]

@@undefeatedpacifist8389 chargers have a first year head coach and overhauled coaching staff and offensive and defensive scheme . Yes the chiefs had a bottom tier defense in 2018 but they had Andy Reid to steer that ship who is more vital to that programs success than any player . Even when you have a bad defense they can still shine when needed when they have been in a scheme that they are comfortable with and the offense can operate at a high level with a scheme that has been established for years . Herbert doesn’t deserve excuses but there are factors that I see that may have kept him out of the playoffs . Now next year if he doesn’t make it to the dance then there is no excuse with his talent and weapons .

[@KyleMacSkill]

@@kjb200814 lol horribly dumb take

[@kjb200814]

@@KyleMacSkill Mahomes defense in 2018 was literally rated the worst in the league and he made the afc championship game. The eagles this year with a first year hc and 1st year starter at qb made the playoffs. Why is Herbert getting so many excuses I just don’t get it. He also lost to the Texans to get into the playoffs. But my take is horrible 🤔

[@stephenfoust4450]

Don’t mean jack unless they win a ring . Who cares about playoff wins . It’s like a consolation prize

[@joshpeters2589]

Acho whopped Wiley on this one

[@saigefan01]

HERBERT > burrow.. hands down, NO DEBATE

[@victorgonzalez6239]

LOL

[@TexanEagleFan]

They both are really good so far Burrow is in the playoffs and won a game that’s the only difference so far 👀

[@ExpertOnAlmostEverything]

*2 games

[@TexanEagleFan]

@Whisp I know but Burrow still be throwing the ball at a high level wit a way worse offensive line 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@TexanEagleFan]

@Whisp only difference is him being injured but it’s only year 2 of their careers 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾

[@gradybrown3362]

The league will eventually figure Joe Borrow out

[@TexanEagleFan]

@@gradybrown3362 well if that’s the case then they have figured out Herbert he didn’t make the playoffs 👀

[@palmtrees2420]

For all of the people saying that Burrow would have won ROY if he didnt get injured and that his stats were better here is the facts. Burrow played 10 games. After 10 games Justin Herbert had 3331 yards and 22 TDs. After 10 games Burrow had 2688 yards and 13 TDs. Justin was ahead of Burrow by a long shot in 2020 and deserved ROY.

[@OmarSV12]

Yes Burrow made it to the Super Bowl But Herbert will Actually Win it 🦾⚡️

[@nikkkeating4055]

He will fold in the big games.

[@emekaamerican863]

You can't go wrong with either one in my opinion.

[@jaysoncaldwell3896]

Joe burrow 2nd year super bowl. Justin Herbert hasn't made the playoffs yet. This shouldn't be a debate.

[@joshhughart289]

Rex Grossman made a super bowl. We all know Bengals making it was a fluke though.

[@user-yt1lq4mv7z]

I’d rather have the guy playing in the AFC championship vs the guy watching it from his couch

[@thomashong2938]

Burrow. Now, the guy playing in the Super Bowl.

[@suebrown2553]

Justin is built for the long haul. Smarter, tougher doesent get ratteled easily ,less prone to injury and doesn’t smoke. Better overall athlete.

[@wildcat4837]

Both good! Herbert is more exciting to watch!!!!!

[@alexsanchez5327]

Herbert is the better player imo..both are great Qb's and instead of comparing them we should be happy that they're both are gonna be around for awhile while the other greats are heading into retirement

[@joelrivera5871]

Nah give me burrow he actually wins when it counts

[@babyj5566]

Herbert isn’t in the playoffs and lost to the Texans. He actually came to a good team and hasn’t done anything in the post season. Burrow is easily better

[@easyenetwork2023]

I think Burrow is the better leader. Herbert is better statistically, but I think over time, the win advantage in big games will swing towards Burrow.

[@adriankendrick4281]

The AFC is going to alright with these young guys slinging it around. Gotta have a QB to have a chance.

[@6god999]

Acho has never gave Herbert Love since the Beginning so nothing New 😒

[@0624tre]

Why should he? Has he made the playoffs yet?

[@JWillGames]

@@0624tre pretty hard when you have a bottom 5 defense/special teams

[@0624tre]

@@JWillGames u saying it like the Bengals have a great defense or special teams It's kinda hard those games he loss throwing pick 6s. Was that the defense fault

[@JWillGames]

@@0624tre his defense gave up 41 to the Texans, 42 to the browns, 35 to the raiders, 34 to the ravens, worst 3rd down defense bottom 3 run defense which affects Time of possession. Meanwhile bengals just held the titans and raiders both under 20 points

[@John-qq3wp]

Maybe if herbert cut his hippie hair, get a haircut you can respect

[@heypal9418]

Let’s end this debate Herbert would’ve won the Super Bowl with that Bengals team don’t talk to me

[@RezaZen]

ON GOD

[@spsawyer22]

Both incredible studs. Would take Herbert because I'm worried Burrow would die on the field trying to win.

[@fifteenhugs7011]

I get your point, but you're talking O Lines, not comparative skill. Let me put it like this, would you rather have Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. That's essentially the comparison here. All that talent, Rodgers/Herbert, is hard to beat the intangibles, Brady/Burrow. I love both of the young QBs, they are amazing, but I would take Burrow.

[@fifteenhugs7011]

Plus Brady has been playing on "one knee" since 2009. Just referencing Wiley's point lol.

[@henryrichardson4274]

Herbert play in the 2nd best division in football Burrow got browns injured ravens and Big Ben

[@joelrivera5871]

@@henryrichardson4274 burrow came off a season ending injury yet still had the worst o line in the league (most sacked QB this year) and yet still made the playoffs and won two games and don’t give me that division bs when burrow has two wins vs raiders this year 1 win over the broncos and 1 win against the chiefs this year so there’s literally no excuse for Herbert

[@henryrichardson4274]

@@joelrivera5871 So playing in a tougher division means nothing? Let Mahomes miss half the season like Lamar did and carr fight 2 major injuries like baker did you think chargers make playoffs?

[@zacharyhayes96]

How are you judging availability after just 2 seasons?

[@mawile2468]

Lmfao here after the Super Bowl. Herbert would've converted 4th and 1 lmfao

[@phillysimpson7341]

Did anyone else hear the staff laugh & chiming in in the back when jimmy g was mentioned

[@dAaronL5]

Stop letting Wiley pick the topics. Every time he talks about the chargers or Herbert it is ridiculously biased. This shouldn’t even be a question

[@joshhughart289]

You're right. Herbert is unquestionably better. Man has more talent in every aspect of the game while Burrow has a top 3 WR in the NFL who can take a pass from anywhere to the house for 6. Oh and arguably the best wr trio in the NFL. If we are being honest the Bengals were the 3rd or 4th best team in the AFC and the Bengals making the superbowl was pretty fluky. The Bills and Chiefs were way better. Chiefs choked big time. Herbert has a better left tackle and Center but thats it. The others are below average to terrible and chargers receivers lead the NFL in uncontested drops costing the Chargers Tds and key 1st downs and ultimately wins.

[@v_rapture_v]

WINS>STATS

[@RickityRawDawg]

Bengals are the more complete team. They actually have a defense.

[@v_rapture_v]

@@RickityRawDawg I agree, but you do have to recognize how good joes played even despite his offensive line. I think Justin is great, I just think Joe has that “It factor”. Knew he was gonna be special ever since his last year at lsu

[@fliplife67]

Here's the problem they both play in the AFC neither guy is going to play in a SB if they can't beat Allen or Mahomes.

[@blueballedtech]

Bengals have a chance this weekend though.

[@pm21-v3h]

@@blueballedtech something tells me chiefs gone smoke emm

[@JJ-zy3zv]

Best show in sports these guys keep it real

[@mayson9817]

This really aged like🥛

[@RickityRawDawg]

Joe burrow before his knee injury against washington,was 2-7-1. Only after getting Jamar he made the playoffs, not saying the only reason is jamar..But, Burrow won last week without throwing a touchdown, bengals defense actually contributes to winning football games along with special teams. justin herbert doesn't have a defense, or special teams that helps win him games. Chargers are the 3rd worst defense in allowing points, 3rd worst in run defense, and last ranked in 3rd down defense, along with the last ranked special teams.

[@rorothefinesser9069]

Joe got that Lebrun effect he gives you Uber production and as the playoffs come he raises his whole franchise

[@lukestudios9850]

Joe Burrow and Herbert are BOTH GREAT !

[@0624tre]

Herbert is great but never made the playoffs 😕

[@lukestudios9850]

@@0624tre he will in the future 🔥

[@mattmooney84]

Chargers fan here, did wiley really just say that Anthony Lynn was a "good coach"????

[@sandtown911]

Yea Wiley hold the L on this one. One QB got a coach fired and still hasn’t reached the playoff yet in the same time frame. Some might also say had the better receiving core as well

[@michaelbell5]

Oh and he has a better offensive line. THAT'S WHY Burrow got hurt! You lost this one Wiley.

[@nujurzsavage3843]

Herbert doesn't play defense. The chargers defense is like bottom 3.

[@0624tre]

@@nujurzsavage3843 Bengals defense isn't good either so thats a bad argument

[@smesch115]

Herbert didn’t get his coach fired lol. He was literally fired so he wouldn’t waste Herbert, so if u wanna look at it like that, then sure Herbert “got his coach fired”

[@tremellsherman7216]

Nobody saying the Chargers receivers better than the Bengals

[@hansolosmassivehog8042]

Let’s talk about availability now… which one is available for the super bowl? Hmmm

[@blakekeeton3555]

I’ll take the quarterback whose actually been to the playoffs, but not only been there, the one who has his team in a conference championship

[@KaliLife619]

Naaa I'd still take Herbert.

[@blakekeeton3555]

@@KaliLife619 so you’ll take no playoffs? Nice

[@thomashong2938]

And who now has his team in the Super Bowl.

[@thomashong2938]

@Clyde Edwards-Helaire Blake Bortles never played in the Super Bowl. Jimmy G did. And so will Joe Burrow, thanks to Mahomes throwing the game away with his two INTs. Patrick has plenty of time now to do TikTok videos with Brittany and Jackson.

[@thomashong2938]

@Clyde Edwards-Helaire Burrow got sacked 9 times by the Titans. Bengals still won the game.

[@aaronheadley6836]

Too bad qb isn't all about athletic ability. Look at Brady. It's about leadership and winning. Herbert never won a big time game, Burrow always finds away.

[@RickityRawDawg]

Herbert has a defense comparable to the lions and jets defense.

[@pm21-v3h]

Didn’t the defense intercept Carr to win that game vs raiders…. Didn’t they intercept tanehill to give burrow a chance ? Herberts defense is trash

[@mattthedestroyer2804]

Wiley always hating on the Bengals, can't wait for us to win the Superbowl

[@bigb9332]

He is so insecure about burrow over herbert.

[@mattthedestroyer2804]

@@bigb9332 fr, as a Bengals fan I wanted Herbert but Joe is such a chemistry fit with Cincy that there is no way Herbert would have done as good in the jungle. Herbert fanboys can't accept the fact Joe is anywhere near Herbert

[@samcalo1588]

Burrow is by farrrrr the better QB it’s really not close at all

[@RickityRawDawg]

The bengals are a better team overall. Joe burrows last two games in the post season, he's thrown 2 tds and 2 ints. 2 of the TDs came against the chiefs. The bengals Defense and special teams have been carry joe this postseason.

[@darylsandlin5871]

Acho is off. The truth is Herbert isn't in the playoffs for one plain simple reason...the defense failed him this whole season. They fix that (which I believe they will), they're in the future playoffs. Enough said

[@oddballlenny3750]

Both teams are super lucky to have those QBs.

[@jonnyfevertv3170]

From what I’ve seen, Herbert is the best talent not in kc

[@andrewstacy3937]

Eh, I'd give the pure physical talent edge for a non-KC QB to Josh Allen over Herbert right now.

[@bigb9332]

Also won’t be playing in afc championship in kc either. Give me burrow

[@joshhughart289]

Josh Allen is the Best Physical talent overall the Herbert then Mahomes. I would put Lamar in there but his accurracy/decision making is significantly worse than those guys this year. If we are looking for the next Josh Allen developmental guy Justin Fields has a cannon arm size at 230 and runs a 4.4 if he puts it all together get protection and weapons he could join that elite tier.

[@lvgarcia99]

everyone here debating about QB’s… i’m here enjoying the best segment ESPN has to offer

[@gamalielbuki8497]

BURROW!!! Easy answer. Now can we please stop the comparisons? It took Josh Allen winning a playoff game and going toe to toe with Mahomes before we started saying that this kid has the capabilities to dethrone Mahomes in the foreseeable future

[@nathanbromley2321]

This is a pointless argument any of the teams looking for the man at QB would fall over themselves to get either of em. But it dose take up air time I guess

[@abduljalloh2841]

Hey Wiley will justin Herbert be available for next weeks afc game 😂😂

[@danielhart3295]

Not as good oline but burrow has the better defense kicker and WRs

[@jodycuneo9373]

Meanwhile Justin Herbert will be sitting at home watching the superbowl that Joe Burrow is playing in...and it's funny how he mentioned that Burrow isn't a dragon slayer but has beat the chiefs twice within a month...I love the analysts and how every week they have to eat their words hahahaha WHODEY!!!! 🐅

[@easyenetwork2023]

Not to mention he actually beat the Raiders, the Titans, Steelers twice, and Ravens with a full team. He also took Rodgers and Jimmy G to OT, right?

[@joshdk95]

Joe has the better team, Justin is the better QB

[@isaacibarra4974]

Exactly!

[@whitewhale9012]

I'd take burrow, no doubt. Herbert doing the Philip rivers thing... has play in game... loses. Just like rivers used to do. He doesnt even wait for the playoffs to gag.

[@trevonguillory990]

Herbert did what he had to do to win that game. His defense and special teams let him down. I’ll never forget rivers in the playoffs playing on a torn ACL put repeat on his name.

[@trevonguillory990]

Respect*

[@sarahchristine2345]

I hate when they compare QB’s like this. The QB is the most important position, there’s no doubt about that.. but the QB isn’t the only deciding factor in a game. Both Herbert and Burrow are extremely talented and promising players. Their future success will greatly depend on their respective franchise putting them in the best position to succeed. I doubt either team would want to trade either one of them for any other QB.

[@bodombeastmode]

Joe burrow has higher completion percentage for his career and higher yards per attempt for his career than Herbert.

[@RickityRawDawg]

His receivers also have 100 more YAC, with 70 less completions. Showing his receivers are helping more than herberts.

[@JonKlinkel]

Justin Herbert seems a combination of Deshaun Watson/Aaron Rodgers. Joe Burrow seems a combination of Ben Roethlisberger/Tom Brady. I'll take Burrow unless he invokes more Roethlisberger than Brady, as he won't last NEARLY as long. In that case, I'll take Herbert because Herbert could still transcend to another level. He's so young, he has time (unlike Aaron Rodgers).

[@leolifestylephotography27]

Burrow definitely has swagger, but Acho keeps forgetting Burrow played 10 games the next year and had a 2-7-1 record. It was after he got his dawg Chase that the franchise turned around. Those 2 have a great connection and elevated the offense around them. I would push back only on that point. But both QBs are amazing.

[@maxlg800]

He went to the worst team in the league lol.

[@leolifestylephotography27]

@@maxlg800 correction…he got DRAFTED by one of the worst teams in the league.

[@easyenetwork2023]

And has an average O-Line that seems to be learning as they go,

[@easyenetwork2023]

@@leolifestylephotography27 He chose to go there. Said he wanted to go there and win the SB with his home team.

[@abriaangel9986]

Justin Herbert!

[@kingjames361]

Wiley is grasping for any and everything he can grab knowing Burrow is better right now Herbert is a beast don’t get me wrong but his play hasn’t equated to winning

[@jkukoly00]

Does Herbert play defense?

[@kingjames361]

@@jkukoly00 are you saying the Bengals have an elite defense?

[@jkukoly00]

@@kingjames361 much better than the Chargers especially run defense. The Bengals were ranked 17th in total defense where the Chargers were 30th. You’re not winning anything with that defense.

[@kingjames361]

@@jkukoly00 still not elite all I’m saying is Joe changed life in the Bengals organization Herbert has played great but nothing to show for it if you value winning Burrow has to be better

[@chrisyoung1102]

@@jkukoly00 if you want to bring in d then why not mention the fact herbert has a better oline than burrow. If burrow had a coach whose pass first along with an oline that can block Id bet burrow would thrive in that situation. However I dont thing herbert could thrive in the situation burrow is in so for that reason id go burrow over herbert

[@AlexHernandez-di4bn]

Joe burrow is great, but as a chargers fan all I can do is bleed Justin Herbert’s case, arrived at Oregon as a 4 stringer becomes first string as true freshmen and has a 4-8 record. Learns 3 different offensive schemes with 3 new head coaches by his senior year. Could have went into the draft early but instead he Leads the ducks to 10-2 record and caps it off with a rose bowl victory. Almost every sports pundit in the country is labeling Herbert as a potential bust, instead he gets offensive rookie of year. Then a unbelievable year 2 with a special never say die 4th quarter performance against the raiders. Perseverance is the morale of the story. Herbert’s had his back against the wall his entire journey so far, and this is only the beginning. Never been more excited in life⚡️⚡️⚡️