Peloton Bike Review | How good is it really? (From an Ironman triathlete.)

The Peloton bike is a pretty great spin bike, but it's got some huge flaws. An unbiased review of what makes the Peloton great and terrible, from someone who’s spent more time on spin bikes than he should admit.
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The Peloton spin bike is actually a pretty great spin bike, especially when you compare it to SoulCycle, CycleBar, or Orange Theory classes. It’s good hardware paired with shiny software and hype instructors. Although that interactivity and live class experience are what make Peloton unique and interesting, they’re also its biggest weakness.
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[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

*Some quick thoughts on Powerzone rides:* I already know my FTP (and actually, even to that point, I think TR does a better job of testing it, especially for beginners.) At the point when we start looking at PZ rides, then my only real metric is “How effective is this as a training tool,” and I will confidently say that TrainerRoad with their base/build/specialty programs are in another class altogether. Once we take away the Peloton community aspect and strip it down to “Now we’re doing power-based training,” then I’ve got to judge it as a holistic training program, and TR is just so much better. Also, on the hardware side of things, the estimated power needs much better smoothing, imo. You can see it at like 7:29 in the video. They need a 3s smoothed average or something. I routinely get 50W swings just between pedal strokes; terrible. Compared to an erg mode trainer which locks you down or even a dumb trainer with Z-power or Virtual Power, just a much better experience. That’s all aside to my long rant about how I don’t even think Peloton understands it’s own leaderboards; it makes no sense to me to have a leaderboard based on total output while giving instructions that specifically delineate where everyone should be. By definition, to win you have to ignore their ranges (or at most, there would be a clump of leaders who all were at the top of the range.) Compared to TR again, for instance, where all the workouts are just functions of your FTP. With Peloton, especially beginners, you’re all over the board. My suspicion is that the vast majority or riders just spend all their workouts in Z4 or 5 trying to hold the upper end of the ranges. So like I said in the video, good for cardio and “getting your 20 min of fitness / day,” less ideal for long term progressive growth.

[@LoanShoppingExpert]

I have no idea what your acronyms stand for.

[@richardstoffel6585]

Catherine Coy ftp = functional threshold power, TR = trainer road

[@Swishormiss]

JustinDoesTriathlon I think this is a pretty good review but you completely dropped the ball on talking about Power Zone training. You said active athlete or tri athletes.. this isn’t a review for basic people. The Power Zone training classes are insane and great for fitness.

[@DaemonGeek]

Thanks for the review. I bought my Peloton around 6 months ago and have only recently started using it. I am a rec-level cyclist but I do train for serious events (Gran Fondo's and Lotoja) and as the weather in Utah can be suspect at times (and given that I am a wimpy fair weather rider), I am using Peloton as an adjunct to my road training. That being said, I have found it useful on off-days to do a little endurance PZ riding. Personally, I find the regular "spin" classes to be annoying, as I hate the up-down-bump-bend routines. However, I have also found the on-demand classes to be annoying with respect to repetition (obviously, the instructors say the same things every time). It would be nice to have an option on the PZ classes to have on-screen instructions and listen to my own music. I know that I can just do my own workout and adjust things on my own, but there is some motivation that I get from the "competition" in the PZ classes. Anyway, thanks again for your review!

[@namelessghouls]

@@DaemonGeek Peloton has feature Fridays on their official group. Not sure if you're on there or not but many of us have asked for a similar feature.

[@pefrat]

Thanks for the good unbiased review. I recently got a Peloton for my home (like many people now) and wanted to add a couple of key points: 1. Regarding price: you mentioned that the Peloton is competitively priced compared to other monthly services (spinning studios, OrangeTheory Fitness, etc...). Note that those are all priced per person, but Peloton bikes/subscriptions cover multiple profiles. So if you have multiple people in your household who can use the bike, it becomes a significantly better deal versus just one person. 2. The Peloton subscription comes with the Peloton App included, so my family and I we can use it for a bunch of other workouts (HIIT, Strength, Yoga, Meditation, Stretching, etc...) at home or when traveling. This is added value as well. 3. Just a note on the hardware: the bike is super quiet when riding. So I can be working from home on a call right next to the bike when my wife is doing a class and as long as she is using headphone for audio - and assuming she does not start singing or laughing out loud - it's totally quiet. Hope this helps.

[@ao2092015]

Excellent points. I prefer to lift weights in the garage but will admit this has become the most consistently used piece of exercise equipment at home. Several people can use it, it’s extremely convenient, and I’ve never finished a workout without getting a nice sweat. I’m not a fan of the live classes but it’s mostly because I don’t need a lively environment to enjoy working out. Initially hated our Peloton but really like it now.

[@sfd125]

New to all of this....Power zones with the FTP complete is what I have fell in love with. Your review was fair on all aspects that I can think of. I enjoy an honest experience.

[@benwoodman6280]

Great review! I was initially unsure but now I live my Peloton so much that I don't know what I would do without it.

[@virtualfitnesstv]

Wow! This is awesome, it makes my indoor biking at home more fun and enjoyable. I find this sort of virtual exploration invaluable. Thank you!😄

[@andreawhite9326]

Extremely helpful! Very thoughtful regarding skill levels, usage, and possible cons. Thank you!

[@beachrunner428]

I been using my bike since November. I love running (see the channel) but getting the bike has just brought everything cardio for me together. I love the classes and also love how I can use the app for outdoor runs. Intervals and strength rides are my favorite. Ya I can't pause the classes but so be it not a breaking point for me. I'm not worried about leader boards especially when you have 5k plus people in a class. If you want to feel to be a part of a class, and need that motivation, its not for you. If you love working out and want to kick it up a notch in your home this is for you. My workouts have been fantastic.

[@merylvogel2702]

Good review! I’ve been spinning for 15 years, and I bought one this week! I can’t wait!

[@chezchezchezchez]

How is it?

[@davidross4931]

One of the best reviews I’ve seen of any product! Thank you!

[@jonathansgilman]

Good review overall. I'm looking for winter indoor riding options and many relevant points to consider.

[@msJmarcus1]

wow this is new information that no one else has really addressed: such as the class availability! Also it makes a huge difference that the advice is coming from an Ironman triathlete....can't get better than that!!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy to help!

[@helpicantfindaname1]

Just great thoughts and critics I haven't heard in other places. Thanks for the video.

[@AmazingDogShorts]

I would agree! I have just uploaded my own review of the Peloton bike if you want to check it out :)

[@courtneybeachner4296]

I've been enjoying the Peloton with Scenic & Just Ride modes only and it's nice to be able to listen to my own music. Just not interested in taking a class (it's not my bike). I find that I am far more motivated by the Challenge badges for each month. And honestly, it's been fantastic to have since we all got stuck in stay-home/quarantine. I'm riding it nearly every day.

[@jsasa5668]

Me too! I have a TV about 8 ft away from the bike (I used to have a Zwift set up with my smart trainer) so I like to watch TV shows while I do Just Ride. I usually start around 25 resistance for about 10 minutes and then I incrementally move it up 3 at a time every 5 minutes (more or less) until I get around 40. I just did 80 minutes and burnet over 1000 calories while watching almost 2 episodes of Westworld. I do enjoy the classes as well if I want to train with higher intensity and intervals. Love this bike.

[@jrewing5886]

I'm new to Peloton. I just received mine the other day. The initial experience was incredible. Both delivery guys were super nice, responsive and professional. The bike itself is incredible and I can see why they're so expensive. Clean, functional and very very easy to understand. The screen is just the right size. I've ridden it three times thus far. All scenic rides just to get used to the bike and find my groove. Thus far, it's working out just fine. The bike is well made, heavy and very 21st century looking. I added the floor mat and it came with free clip in shoes. A nice touch. I added several hand weights and the bike looks and feels amazing. Okay now let's get down to the nitty gritty. I ride road bikes allot. I used to mountain bike and trail bike. I love being outdoors. Rain, sleet, snow, cold, heat, wind don't phase me. I couldn't care less about the weather, but infrastructure is my vice. As a road biker, I detest bad drivers and awful roads. I can handle most anything, but bad drivers with unsafe manners piss me off no end and I get very hot about it. I've been struck by everything from a skateboarder to a city bus. Slightly injured, but kept going. My bike suffered some minor damage and I repaired it each time. When I ride, I am very competitive and very aggressive, but also respectful of others. Especially other cyclist. Its a brutal world out there. So, I take it has it comes, but dish it out if someone ticks me off. I hate unsafe cyclist and drivers. I love cycling allot, but now I'm older and I don't have as much time. I own a ranch in West Lubbock TX. I love riding here. Though hot and windy, I love riding regardless, but time is very much against me now. So, a year ago, I looked into purchasing a Peloton. I researched it front and back, up and down. I decided it was time to get into really great shape. This particular bike does that and more, but one must be prepared to give their very best when riding the Peloton. Allot of differences vs a real road bike. For one, you're inside. Unless you live in the Hollywood Hills like a close friend of mine and she keeps her Peloton out on her patio with a view most would die for. The other difference is senses. Like feeling the wind in your face. Hearing the wind, traffic or nature. Then there is the fact that on a real bike, one can coast, take it easy for a few seconds or minutes. Long enough to catch your breath. On a Peloton, you cannot coast. You must keep peddling. Whether it's ten minutes or 60 minutes or greater, you have to keep peddling. You cannot lay back on this bike. This is precisely why people swear by it. You have to really work at it. Looking at this another way. What would normally take me any where from one and half hours or greater now only takes me any where from one half hour to forty five minutes in actual workout time. Plus I cannot lay back. One must keep peddling. Often hard and fast in order to achieve certain workout goals on the Peloton. Which in theory, makes the Peloton much harder to ride vs a real road bike in my opinion. Of course results vary with different people, age, gender, general health, but clearly the Peloton bike forces one to put it all in or your not going to benefit from this amazing technology. Of course being at home lends itself to laziness. Eating, laying around watching TV etc. Such habits are why this bike is perfect for those of us who want that 21st century body. I know I do. I love my Peloton. Is it worth $2000.00 plus dollars? You bet it is. My road bike is 5 grand, but pales by comparison in terms of the actual energy required. Every gadget has its pros and cons. Each person must decide for themselves, if a Peloton is worth the expense. All that's required is be in reasonably good health and have room in your home. You must understand how the screen works and how too connect to others. Its really not at all that difficult once you get the hang of it. Women vs men. I believe women love the Peloton because it allows them certain freedom, they otherwise wouldn't have because of life. Kids, stay at home Moms, working women can all benefit from this technology. Exercise is the single greatest way to improve one's overall health, welfare and wellbeing. For women the Peloton is awesome. I strongly recommend it. For men, it's simular, but guys tend to have a more practical approach to riding a Peloton. For them, it's straight up exercise. Though stay at home Dad's need not get fat or out of shape. The Peloton can help keep weight down and energy levels up. Of course, both men and women from all walks of life can benefit from a Peloton. The only thing required is motivation. Personally, I find the Peloton to be refreshing. In just a few basic rides, already I feel motivated and charged up. I cannot speak for anyone else of course, but I'm happy I purchased mine. Just the experience alone was worth it. Talk to others. Read as much as you can. Watch videos. Learn all you can. Try one out. I strongly recommend this product........🚲⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@richardevans9465]

Well said, my thoughts exactly. Good luck

[@elcontrastador]

This was the exact review I needed to see. Very well done. Cheers!

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[@stacywalker3139]

Thanks for this. I didn't know about the availability of after work classes on the west coast being a bit of an issue. So this will definitely help me make a decision to buy or not.

[@BonanzaPilot]

I have been riding one of these at least once a week for the last 30 weeks or so. Your review is really accurate.

[@paolakowalke9449]

Great info. As a novice this information was fantastic! Thanks so much for your professionalism and information.

[@lkeyt5845]

The best workout is the one you do - epic statement! Excellent review. Thank you

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

My pleasure!

[@hardtailparty]

fantastic review. Thank you for your candid feedback.

[@AmazingDogShorts]

I would agree! I have just uploaded my own review of the Peloton bike if you want to check it out :)

[@harrybradford8910]

Thank you for your review. It helped us make our decision! I am 51 years old and not in the best shape. Your review really hit home with the statement that the best workout is the one you will do. I will try to touch base next month with some results! Thanks again!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Hell yeah man! Wish you both some great rides! 🎉🚀

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Oh, also: 51 is plenty fine. Best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. Second best time is today.

[@shaamya]

Excellent EXCELLENT review! Thank you!

[@angelaappel6369]

This is by far the best review I have found! Thank you! Thank you!!!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Awesome, happy you found it useful 🙂🚀

[@richardthackeray6150]

I think you should also mention the capability to mirror screen the other online classes onto other monitors/TV's within the household. It makes it far easier, and no need to have to move the bike screen.. mobile app is also very good.

[@pinkydime289]

I am thinking about a cardio machine but wasn't sure about a bike or eliptical but this type of bike seems like it would motivate me more to work out! Thanks for your awesome review! Happy holidays!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

And to you!

[@RVEastCoast]

This was of great help with our decision making. Thank you!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy riding! 🚀

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[@rubenregal4849]

Thank you for the review. I learned a few things from you. I purchased a peloton last month for my wife. I use to own a giant and canondale for the outdoors but was riding less because of working more hours. You mentioned "mandatory accessories", this is not true. None of peloton accessories are mandatory. You can purchase shoes, heart monitor, headphones, mat from anywhere else. In my experience it's the music that gets my motivation going. I have a speaker system with a subwoofer setup its awesome! You are forgetting one thing...riding on a peloton with their classes is fun! Instructors making you laugh, other members high fiving you during a class. When you reach certain goals. Peloton will send out for free a t shirt, flowers on your birthday. Nothing comes close to the peloton community, everyone motivating one another. Take a look on facebook peloton group. I originally purchased this for my wife. When i seen her keep getting off the bike smiling. I said i gotta try this. Now i use the bike more than her. The bike is super quiet. You can do a class at 3 am with headphones with people sleeping in the other room. Again thanks for taking your personal time to make this video. I enjoyed it

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

All true! Only bit I'd say is that I don't think I forgot the Peloton classes are fun; they really are! As an actual motivation tool, I get it, even as someone who normally doesn't feel motivated by that. I was really impressed! If you can find an instructor you click with (for me, Ben A and Matt W,) very good interaction. 👍Happy you've got something working for you. I hear a lot of people saying the "We bought it for the other spouse, now I use it all the time." That's awesome lol

[@rubenregal4849]

@@JustinDoesTriathlon looking at your body and the metrics you were putting out during the class tells me this is a 3 wheel training bike to you. I think you are to advanced for the peloton.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

@@rubenregal4849 I'd love to get one of those Wahoo Kickr bikes or Tacx bikes if they weren't like $4k. 😳

[@jessierichardson7551]

Excellent video. Thank you for this. Peloton, for me, is my no excuse exercise equipment. If my day falls apart and I can’t get to any other exercise, by the time I’ve deliberated about whether I should work out or not, I know I could be finishing a Peloton ride.

[@Canoneosmiami]

Excellent review the most professional I seen so far .

[@tempaccount2585]

Maro Vok Agreed. It also helps that he is an actual cyclist. I lot of other reviews come from people without that background.

[@AmazingDogShorts]

I would agree! I have just uploaded my own review of the Peloton bike if you want to check it out :)

[@AS-pj2be]

This was such a good review! thank you so much!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy to help!

[@MeaganHesham]

Great video! Just subbed! I recently got one and love it!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy to help!

[@aceboogie8986]

How is it ??

[@NHill8025]

Solid professional review!

[@davidsayner9300]

I love my Peloton Bike (I have the tread as well) and have had it for over 3 years, no let downs, no failings. Your review is bang on the money on both the positives and the drawbacks, being on the West Coast I totally agree on class timings. I never really thought about this aspect though until you said 'it just felt like a workout dvd from 1980'. I typically get totally immersed in the class, now I cant unsee that sentence, and its going to be the devil of a job getting that out of my mind next time - thanks!!!! :-) The one thing I haven't seen mentioned is bandwidth and streaming, if you cannot hard wire this in via ethernet, make sure you home wireless network is up to snuff as there is nothing worse than a break in connectivity in the middle of an intense session.

[@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA]

Thank you for the review, one of the things I always worry about with stuff like this is buyers defense..... lots of people just defend their purchase even if they themselves know it was not great... I have one question, compared to other bikes (classes aside) Do you think the bike holds up to something like a Keiser m3/m3i or a lifecycle IC5?

[@itslavonne2929]

Great review! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 I always find a great class whenever I want, although most are on demand and not live. But that’s ok with me! I’m so focused on trying to breathe and get through my own workout that I can’t really tell the difference. Lol

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[@skiggs20]

Probably one of the best reviews of Peloton that I've found. Especially since I've used TrainerRoad and Zwift, so I knew exactly what you were comparing to. I recently fell in love with mountain biking, but it's hard to get out there and ride more than once a week (dad life calls). I ordered one of these today. I think and hope this will help motivate me to increase my fitness and shed some pounds in an effort to shred my local trails.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Nice, happy to help! Yeah, I feel like I'll eventually get into the MTB side of things myself, but I have enough bikes for now. 😅Curious, what made you not enjoy TR/Zwift? I'm guessing compliance/motivation? I could totally see that. TR doesn't really even try to be motivating, and Zwift doesn't really motivate ME very much (thouhg I know a lot of people love it.)

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

@@lrogers25 No, and I've since bought a house! Doesn't matter anyway with everything closed, ha! Though I've heard the YMCA pools are open? But not the actual gyms.

[@nelsonwalker7105]

very good review thanks for getting all of these points into a video

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[@wesmckean1443]

As an Ironman triathlete and Peloton owner, I would say that the Peloton will never replace the bike, and as you mentioned, its not really geared for someone that's following a plan. When I was using Trainer Road, I had to be creative as to how I mixed the Trainer Road workouts into my training plan. With that said, you CAN follow a plan. I like to do one tabata/HIIT workout, then a regular hard 30 minute workout, and a 45 minute HRZ or PZ workout a week. (I don't race anymore) The Peloton is primarily geared for people who want to work out in the comfort of their home, possibly at moments notice, and there is a huge Peloton community built up to support that.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Spot on

[@davidsaxe7077]

I have been using the one at work, I have to admit it really motives me. I have also been there other workouts yoga, strength, etc and love them all. I have started a peloton saving account so I can buy one for my house 😂👍🏽

[@abehahn5631]

thank you for this awesome review! did you mention which stationary bike you would recommend, besides peloton?

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy you liked it! I didn't get too deep into that, because I think it's so dependent on so many factors. I'll try to keep this short: I’d ask you what factors of Peloton really resonate with you. Is it the live classes and instructors? Is it racing other people in real time? Is it having a spin bike with screen attached to watch video? The instructors and vibe of Peloton are pretty unique; the nordictrak seems like a not-as-good copy to me. If that’s what you care about, Peloton is pretty much the top pick. If you care most about the leaderboard and chasing other people, something like a regular spin bike with Favero Assioma pedals, or full on smart trainer + attached bike, and Zwift on your computer would be amazing. If it’s a spin bike + video you want, I’ve heard good things about the Sunny spin bike; you could pair that with an iPad for Netflix or whatever and spin away. Overall, I think Peloton fills a pretty good niche. Even for me, someone who has a pretty strong basis of training knowledge and doesn’t hate indoor training: just sitting on a regular spin bike without some mental stimulation is pretty unfun. I stand by that Peloton isn’t as good as I want it to be for longer term progressive improvement, but for something that gets you exercising effectively a few times a week in a pretty enjoyable way, it does a good job.

[@michaelsnook1130]

Great review, as always. Perhaps a better comparison for value the new Wahoo KICKR bike or the new Tacx Neo bike with Zwift versus Peloton.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

That would be really interesting for sure. I'm curious what the overlap is; I know I follow a few 'serious' cyclists on Insta who use Peloton, but going back to the class quality, I just don't really see it. I don't know enough specifically about the Kickr bike vs the Neo bike vs Peloton, but broadly speaking, for me, I'd say: If you take cycling seriously enough to even know about the Neo and the Kickr, AND you're already willing to spend the money, I can't see a scenario in which I'd chose Peloton first unless you literally just *cannot* motivate yourself to be on Zwift or TR but would use Peloton. Hell even the ability to match your exact fit is pretty huge. I just don't see a value prop for Peloton if the goal is long term, progressive growth.

[@vicepre1]

Excellent review

[@jbratt]

Thanks for the review. I'm a long time road racer and I ride Zwift but I did order a peloton for my daughter. I'm thinking it may appeal to her more because she did like the Spin classes until Covid shut those down.

[@theCowboyGeek]

Really useful and comprehensive. Thanks!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Oh hey 👋👋

[@browney1983]

A really good review that has pushed me over the edge to make the purchase. Many thanks.

[@richardstoffel6585]

I’m really trying to debate something like this or just get a good trainer for the bike and use swift. the adjustment of handle bar as you mentioned could be a factor, as at least on a trainer i can use which ever bike i want to train on. the decisions ... thanks for the review

[@craigirving9948]

Great review, thanks. Subscribed.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy to help!

[@Jimmytaint]

great videos Justin ! thanks for the reviews and content. question! what is the medal hanging behind you? 6th from the left (purple , looks like a belt buckle ? thanksJ

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy you like them! That one is the 2017 Blue Ridge Marathon, and then the one far right (that you probably can't see) is the 2018 Blue Ridge Double Marathon. Starting last year (18) they changed the marathon to a rectangle shape, and only the double marathon has the belt buckle. If you search “Blue Ridge” on my channel, you’ll find vids of both races! But yeah, no 100mi/24hr belt buckle for me yet (or ever maybe, the training for the double took a lot of the fun of running away from me.)

[@Jimmytaint]

thanks Justin. I just watched the video ! Awesome stuff ! thanks from New Brunswick Canada

[@kengormley4530]

great review ........thank u Justin

[@kyles5960]

Great review👍

[@monicawojcik1752]

Great and super helpful review! I also watched your other video on smart trainers vs “dumb trainers”. I’m currently between a Wattbike Atom and a Schwinn IC4, and would like to use whichever bike I get with both Peloton and Zwift to vary up my training. Any tips on choosing between those? My greatest concern is 1) whether the smart training available on the Wattbike Atom is worth the extra cost and 2) whether the power readings on the Schwinn are accurate. Thanks again!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

That’s a fun question. I like these because you kinda get to play ‘what-if’ and you have so many options! So trying to use both Peloton and Zwift presents a few limitations one way or another. The ‘base rules’ are basically that Peloton doesn’t transmit power data outside of itself, nor can you bring in power data anywhere other than the Peloton bike (That’s true when using the app for streaming, etc.) If you’re looking to compete/register on the Peloton leaderboards, you need to be on a Peloton bike, full stop. I think there’s a lot of factors at play, and it really comes down to: what do you value and what are you looking to get out of it, as well as how much money you want to spend. As I see it, here’s a few scenarios: 1) You buy a Peloton, and then add power pedals (like the Favero Assiomas (single or dual)) to it. You would have the full Peloton experience, but then also have an accurate power meter that’s transmitting power data to Zwift, TrainerRoad, or whatever else. Since you saw the trainer video too, this is basically akin to the non-interactive trainer + power pedals, which I actually quite like. The con here is cost: You’re essentially paying ~2200 just for the Peloton class experience. That said, if you like that, then great, nothing wrong with that. 2) If you have (or bought) a road bike, non interactive trainer (Road Machine is my vote,) and power pedals, you could then do TR/Zwift in non-interactive mode, and then pay for the Peloton subscription and stream the classes. You won’t be on the leaderboard, but you could somewhat quickly figure out cues from the instructors and sort of ‘adapt’ your gearing/riding on the bike to match what they’re asking of you. You won’t be able to do specific resistance numbers, but obviously 65 means shift to a harder gear, etc. 3) The Atom is a really strong contender if you’re looking to go full smart training, as it has an accurate power meter and erg mode; if you see yourself wanting to get into TrainerRoad / Zwift really heavily, this is a great option. The Atom has both ANT+fec and Bluetooth, which is really important when you’re trying to connect to multiple apps/devices. Bluetooth is a one-and-done connection; once Zwift connects via Bluetooth, TrainerRoad can’t, for instance; not the case with ANT+. If you streamed Peloton while Zwifting around, that would work. You could also Zwift around while letting ERG from TR control your trainer, for instance. Training wise, I think TrainerRoad is pretty much the peak of long term, progressive growth, but it’s not necessarily ‘fun.’ It’s mostly staring at a line. Some people pair it with Zwift to make it more fun. I don’t know if I’d try pairing TR and Peloton though; I think that would be a little confusing more than anything. 4) The IC4 has mixed power accuracy reports. That said, to be fair, accuracy and consistency are different. If you’re not planning on racing in Zwift, power *accuracy* doesn’t really matter. I have a friend who uses a wildly inaccurate trainer in TrainerRoad, but it’s consistent. Yes, she’s reportedly putting out world-record breaking numbers, but it doesn’t really matter, because he zones are still correct. The IC4 seems decently accurate, just not great (much like Peloton.) Of note, the IC4 has a different resistance scale than the Peloton, even though they’re both 0-100. The resistance comes in at different times. I found a chart that says the equivalencies are roughly: (Peloton/IC4) 30/9, 35/17, 40/25, 45/33, 50/49. That could get a little annoying. Of course, like the Peloton, you could put some power pedals on this and transmit that to TR/Zwift and or follow along with Peloton while riding in Zwift. I think those are most of the big options. To try to put a little bow on it, broadly I’d say a few things: Primarily, try to identify your goals and what you think you resonate with. I enjoy TR a lot, but many people would hate it. If you want the full peloton experience, the bike is really good. If you want full on smart training with TR+Zwift, the Atom is your pick of this group (unless you have/would buy a road bike, at which point consider a smart trainer too.) Next, I wouldn’t personally put TOO much stock into always getting extreme accuracy in power data. Accuracy is nice, but even if you’re off a little bit, you can still get good structured training in Zwift Workouts or Peloton Power Zone classes as long as it’s consistent. If you want to get into Zwift racing or you already have a powermeter on your outdoor bike, then indoor power accuracy is a little more important (especially so you can transfer that knowledge to outdoor riding.) Anyway, that was a lot, and I hope somewhere in that you found something useful. Feel free if you want me to clarify anything. Super short version: you’ll get fitter by any of them. 😊

[@Inviktus804]

Nice AbEx jersey! I did JoH North in '14...Enjoyed the review!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Awesome man! I'm a bit of an imposter because I haven't done JoH or GUF, but rather worked for AbEx on the Comm side of things. Have gone on some team rides and spent a few nights on the road though, love it. Was bummed Trans got nixxed this year, wanted to see them off from Seattle, but Covid. I think I've got a GUF in my future at some time though. JOH is pretty impossible for me as an 'adult' but 2-4 weeks would be fantastic.

[@craigmcallahan]

I have had my peloton bike for 3 years now. I rarely take live classes....you made a big deal of not having live classes when you want them. Why? I am a cyclist and fitness junkie and LOVE taking the different classes your called replay classes. They have so many different classes for different fitness levels. I love the instructor options, music options, length of class options etc.....I think you should have done a FTP test and activated the wattage meter on the screen and taken the power zone program of classes for some serious power zone training classes if you wanted to have a program to follow. They also offer climbing group of classes and others. Personally I love low impact rides for recovery days, love warm up rides prior to lifting weights and the cool down rides after doing an HIIT, Power Zone or Tabata rides. Riding this over the winter months has allowed me to hit the road in the spring in top shape and ready for any outdoor riding challenges. I would also recommend you use a HR monitor, link up to STRAVA to have your ride metrics uploaded automatically, use clipless pedals for crying out load and if you want to take any of the many, many other fitness offerings do not try to use the screen on the bike but rather use your ipad, phone or cast to a nearby TV. Not sure you have full grasp yet of how to use this as a training and fitness tool. Not a bad review, you gave your honest opinions but a little more exploration of the offerings and mastery of the options and you will find it to be a GREAT training aid for your fitness goals.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

That’s a great question, let’s dive in. First off, and I tried to convey this throughout, but maybe should have done better: We all get motivated by different things. I know that Peloton motivates a lot of people VERY well; typically, I don’t get motivated by (let’s call them workout classes.) Dancy instructors, techno music, and affirmations aren’t really what gets me going, but that’s fine, we’re all different. I was quite surprised to find that actually, I LIKED the mental aspect of knowing it was a real instructor, and that I was riding with real people, and I could race them or chase them in real time, and see how people responded. I could find people who were at my fitness level, and if I was struggling, I could try to match them and try to catch them. It was pretty motivating. I also felt the ‘pull’ of the class; I disliked going at 10pm, but I would find myself thinking, “Well, gotta go get the class” and I’d make it happen, even if otherwise I might have just skipped it. Good job, Peloton. For me, once that ‘live’ aspect was removed, it all disconnected in my head. At that point, it was just a ‘workout dvd,’ which I don’t engage with. Listening to instructor of which I don’t really enjoy/like/agree with their pedagogy anyway, not that much draw. In short, the community and interaction clicked with me enough that I felt myself drawn, even if I didn’t love the actual workouts. Regarding the PZ rides, again, now we move this in my mind. I already know my FTP (and actually, even to that point, I think TR does a better job of testing it, especially for beginners.) At the point when we start looking at PZ rides, then my only real metric is “How effective is this as a training tool,” and I will confidently say that TrainerRoad with their base/build/specialty programs are in another class altogether. Once we take away the Peloton community aspect and strip it down to “Now we’re doing power-based training,” then I’ve got to judge it as a holistic training program, and TR is just so much better. Also, on the hardware side of things, the estimated power needs much better smoothing, imo. You can see it at like 7:29 in the video. They need a 3s smoothed average or something. I routinely get 50W swings just between pedal strokes; terrible. Compared to an erg mode trainer which locks you down or even a dumb trainer with Z-power or Virtual Power, just a much better experience. That’s all aside to my long rant about how I don’t even think Peloton understands it’s own leaderboards; it makes no sense to me to have a leaderboard based on total output while giving instructions that specifically delineate where everyone should be. By definition, to win you have to ignore their ranges (or at most, there would be a clump of leaders who all were at the top of the range.) Compared to TR again, for instance, where all the workouts are just functions of your FTP. With Peloton, especially beginners, you’re all over the board. My *suspicion* is that the vast majority or riders just spend all their workouts in Z4 or 5 trying to hold the upper end of the ranges. So like I said in the video, good for cardio and “getting your 20 min of fitness / day,” less ideal for long term progressive growth. Ultimately, I stand by my conclusion. You work out a lot, you get fitter, we all understand that. As a motivation tool that actually makes you work out, Peloton is amazing if it clicks for you. As an objective way to get fitter, other options can get you fitter in the same amount of time, if you can endure how unfun they are to use. Cheers for sharing though; Peloton is a tough one to ‘review,’ because we all have different goals and things that work for us. If you’re loving it, I’d certainly never tell you you’re wrong. I was pleasantly surprised by it overall (if not for my damn long legs.)

[@Mechanic618]

@@JustinDoesTriathlon >" I don’t get motivated by (let’s call them workout classes.) Dancy instructors, techno music, and affirmations aren’t really what gets me going" Same here. :)

[@borderwave2]

Have you tried Zwift?

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

@@borderwave2 Craig or I? I have. I like it a little bit, but I've come to prefer TrainerRoad. To each their own, but I've zeroed in on that I don't necessarily need to 'love' indoor training. It's a tool to an ends for me, which is being faster outdoors. And to that end, I want to choose the tool that does the best job for my goal; to me, that's TrainerRoad. Zwift is pretty cool though, and a lot of people love it! The racing is a really cool aspect.

[@lisaa9346]

JustinDoesTriathlon one thing to try is to pick more recent on demand classes and filter to those people that are there live currently. There always seems to be a lot of people to help motivate me. 😊especially the hyped up classes. And do live on your days off if possible.

[@pooky2626]

Thumbs up on the review. Pros and Cons are correct. I had my Cannondale Supersix evo on a trainer, but was never motivated to ride in my basement. I bought the Peloton for my wife Christmas 2018 (just like the commercial everyone makes fun of). Then I started using it and was hooked on the classes just like you said. Correct again on the set up for a triathlete. I'm 6'3", and occasionally hit my knees on the handle so I raised them which defeats the aero position. In the end. I've done over 300 rides in my first year on Peloton and at 51 set a personal best Olympic triathlon time of 2h 17m 00s with a personal best 57m57s 40k/25mile bike split. The key IS the leaderboard and the fact you DO get hooked on streaks...eg....daily streak or weekly streaks. Then there are the badges. The stretching classes have helped me immensely as well. I've done over 200 stretching classes. They have added a strength program since your review and I have been doing it and am on week 3 currently. Again, this has helped me stay on a workout routine for 30 minutes 3 or 4 times a week. And to think, I bought this for my wife. Our daughter uses the yoga while away in University. An amazing product.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

2:17 is a DAMN solid oly time. Well done! Funny coincidence, I wanted a Supersix Evo so bad for the longest time in college. They're great looking bikes.

[@pooky2626]

@@JustinDoesTriathlon Interesting story on how I got my Supersix. In 2014 I was at the ITU World Championships in Edmonton, Canada. First time ever representing my country. My bike was a 2002 LeMond Beunos Airies carbon butted steel bike. It was probably the oldest bike at the worlds. Over the winter I decided I wanted a new/used bike, just newer than what I had. My wife was not on board. As our daughter had just started University. Anyway I'm looking on kijiji for a used bike when I see an ad for a brand new 1 year old Cannondale Supersix evo. 63cm. Ad says must 6'3" or taller. So I call. The guy answers "Oxygen bikes" I think awesome a real bike store. I say. "HI! I'm 6'3". There is a pause. Then he says it's still here. I get in the car and drive to look at it. There are asking $2800 (I live in Canada) for a $4500 bike. SRam red components. I ride it. Love it. Buy it. But have to ask. How come so cheap? He told me he was at the Cannondale warehouse and the bike had been sitting there. He said to them. Give me a good deal and he would take it. That deal was passed onto me. I absolutely love thos bike. It responds so well. I'm too tall for a triathlon/TT bike. So I ride road bikes with aerobars. When I upgraded the components in 2018. The PR's I set were incredible. IM70.3 best time was 5:28. I did a 5:07 in Muskoka a very hilly bike course. Then 3 weeks later in Flat/fast Calgary broke 5hrs for the first time ever with a 4:45. Ironman Cozumel was 11:12 and only 7 minutes off my IM time set 16 years prior. Broke 2:20 oly first time also in 2018 all at 50 years old. 51 and the times are still dropping.

[@jcb6936]

Great perspective- thanks!

[@stefanwagner1841]

Great review. As an avid marathon runner, I thought the workout schedule would be a problem. I’m doing speed workouts twice a week and a long run. Here it seems to be the same workout over and over, which can lead to lack of fitness vs. how much you’re putting in. Worst of all leaves you susceptible to injury, great video!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Yep! There's a few things about the company that surprise me. On one hand, I get it, spin classes don't really have progressive growth easier. And there's a difference between working out for fitness and constantly trying to improve performance. But.... When they've got tens of thousands or whatever people going full gas level 5 every time they get on the bike, I feel like they should address that. AND the marketer in me says, "If people are on a committed plan, it might make them have more affinity and dedication to the machine." Win for everyone. Peloton makes some choices here and there that make me wonder how well they rally understand their users.

[@rbrcka176]

Great review

[@gomezbr1]

I live in the pnw as well. The live classes are based in NYC, 3 hours ahead.

[@luketalbott7660]

Very nicely done!

[@joshualambert135]

You should check out power zone rides. You take a 20 minute fitness test which then calculates your 100% max output for an hour. So then classes are geared toward zones 1-7 of your output and not a certain resistance and cadence. They have powerzone endurance, max, and regular powerzone classes. Its very nice for training.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Yeah, I talked about PZ classes in some of the comments. Probably should have called them out specifically in the video. I wrote this to someone else: "Regarding the PZ rides, again, now we move this in my mind. I already know my FTP (and actually, even to that point, I think TR does a better job of testing it, especially for beginners.) At the point when we start looking at PZ rides, then my only real metric is “How effective is this as a training tool,” and I will confidently say that TrainerRoad with their base/build/specialty programs are in another class altogether. Once we take away the Peloton community aspect and strip it down to “Now we’re doing power-based training,” then I’ve got to judge it as a holistic training program, and TR is just so much better. Also, on the hardware side of things, the estimated power needs much better smoothing, imo. You can see it at like 7:29 in the video. They need a 3s smoothed average or something. I routinely get 50W swings just between pedal strokes; terrible. Compared to an erg mode trainer which locks you down or even a dumb trainer with Z-power or Virtual Power, just a much better experience. That’s all aside to my long rant about how I don’t even think Peloton understands it’s own leaderboards; it makes no sense to me to have a leaderboard based on total output while giving instructions that specifically delineate where everyone should be. By definition, to win you have to ignore their ranges (or at most, there would be a clump of leaders who all were at the top of the range.) Compared to TR again, for instance, where all the workouts are just functions of your FTP. With Peloton, especially beginners, you’re all over the board. My suspicion is that the vast majority or riders just spend all their workouts in Z4 or 5 trying to hold the upper end of the ranges. So like I said in the video, good for cardio and “getting your 20 min of fitness / day,” less ideal for long term progressive growth. "

[@matthewdparkhill]

Never leave comment and I am embarrassed to admit how much Ytube I watch, but I have to complement you on this review. Very insightful and balanced. Have owned a Peloton for 2+ years and you pointed out some ideas I have never thought of, but would be very helpful (ex. The monitor turning for the other classes). Thank you.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy to hear that! I know what it's like watching 'reviews' that just gush about how perfect everything is, and that's no use to anyone. Thanks!

[@PelotonAlexMotivation]

Very detailed review!

[@SkydivingSquid]

I also am enjoying an All Access membership through my apartment's community Peloton bike. As a previous Spinning Instruction, the only issue I have with it is that you're spending between $2,500 and $3,000 for a stationary bike and then being charged $39 a month (almost $500 a year) for a membership, which is basically a gym membership, but none of the overhead and a far greater out reach. I honestly don't understand why this price is where it is, but is definitely the biggest "con" in my opinion. I get that it's basically just over $1 a day, but at the same time if you're paying 8-12x the amount of an average stationary bike, the $500 "fee" to ride it really stings. I have looked into getting one of these for a few years, but likely wouldn't have gotten it. Very happy to get to enjoy this for free while I am at this apartment. Getting into a road bike soon. Should be here in a few weeks. I enjoy MOST the cycling classes and instructors, there are a couple "pros" who forget they are teaching to a wide range audience or forgot to mark their class as a "pro ride". Ended up not being able to keep up even in the minimum resistance/cadence zones of Olivia's class yesterday and still ended up in the top 4%... Think about that. I digress. I've enjoyed it and with the Wahoo Tickr HR band I can keep my HR in the 95% zone for peak performance. The Bike+ offers an adjustable rotating screen, but for a few dollars you can get an adapter that fits any Peloton bike and will allow it to do the same thing for about $200-$300 cheaper. I noticed that most live classes if not all are early morning EST from the NY Studio. I really thought they would have a studio in California to availability. I live in the CST zone and still struggle to make live classes.. I also agree. The people you can ride with in actual live classes or in the "Beta" classes that allow replays with live members together have made me far more competitive. There have been a couple rides where another ride and I (or a few) have gone back and forth and put twice the effort into our ride. Felt like I was going to pass out at the end of my ride yesterday because 4 of us were so neck and neck! *I keep editing this post, sorry* There is a known and chronic issue with some Peloton bikes and the bluetooth chip. Some bikes lose internet connectivity if you connect wireless headphones.. which really sucks. The timer still counts down and your output is saved, but the class is frozen and no sound comes out - no changes are shown until is syncs back up.

[@oscarorozco6305]

Great video - I purchased the bike about two months ago and I absolutely love it. I’m a regular cyclist and this bike is great and more so are the classes and the instructors. They have classes that you can build up your endurance (power zone) the program last four weeks and then your work your way up to eight or 12 weeks. Thay have classes for all kind of riding Go buy the bike this thing is awesome. Cheers!!

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[@Davidnprogress2]

This is a great review. Nice work. I am a Zwift addict but for the Mrs I think this is going to be nice for her.

[@Jessecr6]

As an ironman triathlete myself I think it's a great product. If you want it to train you for an ironman or century ride it's not designed for those athletes. If you want it to compliment your training it's great, if you are just wanting to exercise, get fit and stay healthy it's once again a great product for that. If you want a better experience for a triathlete or avid cyclist I would recommend Matt Wilpers or one of the pro cyclists as they will design their rides for those types of athletes. I've found the power to be consistent enough and with any bike or power meter you need to test your FTP individually as every power meter and bike (road bike vs tri bike) will produce a different result.

[@IanF-FPV]

I thought i was the only one not able to always hit the max workout targets in the classes...I agree...it's a bit of self managed progression.

[@trikywu]

Thanks for your insightful review, Justin. I have found my Peloton to be a game changer for me - since I just wanted to get a great workout at home - as opposed to training for something. Although some of your critiques don't apply to me - I do agree that Peloton needs to do something with the monitor. I can beam the app through my Apple TV to watch it on my main television - but it would be nice to have it in the same room as the bike. I can't see the monitor from the floor. And to be honest - If i have to get one my hands and knees for something - I can't crane my neck up to my TV either. This is the reason why I have over 260 spin classes logged over the past several months, but only 36 floor workouts.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy you're loving it so much! Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they change that for v2. I know the ProForm bike lets you turn and tilt the screen (though probably not as much as I'd still want.) Like you said, sure, you can always stream it though, which is good. But yeah, good on ya for 260; that's awesome!

[@Theonlymayz]

"for those who want to workout fast n hard but not actually go anywhere, and the sexy instructor helps you forget about your abandonment issues" -jp

[@osint6372]

Great video Justin. I have a quick question for you regarding training. I agree with the fact you can incorporate spinning as part of your TRI training especially when you cannot go outside. Many people follow specific training plans based on swim, bike, run and combinations thereof as well as rest days and strength sessions. Is it OK to incorporate other sports into training like racquetball, or or rowing or soccer for example during your training week? I used to play professional soccer in Europe when I was younger and it helps me stay competitive and break out of the monotony of TRI training. Also is training based on distance or time better ? Thoughts? Thank you in advance for your help.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

> I used to play professional soccer in Europe when Damn, good for you! That's a level I'll never get to at anything. I did watch the Seattle Sounders win the MLS cup yesterday, though. :D So broadly speaking, I'd say yes, you can incorperate other stuff, but within reason, and also depending on the intensity off your training plans. Look up TSS. It's essentially a number that quantifies the amount of training stress you've input to your body in a given week. If you have a week that has a TSS right at your upper limit, then you try to row hard the 'rest' day, you're not going to recover fully the way the plan wanted you to. So really, there's never a "yes" or "No" that you can or can't add in cross training, but broadly speaking, really listen to your body and judge based on how you're feeling. More isn't always better, and rest days are very important to actually absorb the fitness. That said, if triathlon is monotonous so you're skipping workouts because you're not having fun, then that's not good too. I like training by time on the bike, distance on the runs, and swim sets. Time on the bike is important because you need to be able to spend a good amount of hours in that position; run distance is important because 2hrs for different people might be very different.

[@osint6372]

@@JustinDoesTriathlon Thank You Justin. Makes sense. I tend to swim and bike more than running. I guess I am used to pace running and then accelerate really fast due to years of playing soccer (even now) but I dont neglect training. Thank You for the tips, I really appreciate it. As of soccer I had my share of injuries when I got a little older like a twice torn quad muscle. lol. It terms of running what do you believe a good ratio of treadmill VS outside running should be. Again, thank you for the great videos. Keep them coming. The peloton video is a gem.

[@heatherkandrick1191]

LOVE my Peloton, so worth the price! Birthday present from my hubby last August. On my way to 200 rides and now my husband and 15 yr old daughter use it as well. I even enjoy on demand classes. Best addiction to have ❤️Just started trying to do Tabata rides...Holy workout Batman 🤣🤣🤣

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

That's awesome! I wish my family had encouraged me to be fit from a young age. I spent a lot of time getting back from a Body By Xbox, so to speak. enjoy!

[@giovannif110]

Thank you for the great review on the Peloton. I am in the process of looking for a good spin bike ( i have no experience with spin bikes) because i need to get a cardiac workout. I am ok with not having the live classes. I am just looking for a good spin bike that will allow me to get a good workout as a beginner and as i advance hopefully. The Peloton is very expensive so my question to you is do you know of another spin bike that compares with the Peloton that you would recommend for a beginner that might be a little less expensive?

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

The Schwinn IC3 is a great bike if 'the bike' is your primary focus. :)

[@davevasquez9318]

Really great, honest review Justin! I'm in the midst of doing research to purchase an indoor spin bike. I never thought I would like it, but I used the Peloton at the gym and it really motivated me with the live aspect (I live on the east coast so I'm lucky). But, I'm on the fence still as it's a sizeable investment and not sure how I feel about being locked into the $39 subscription. The bike seems fairly useless without it. Was wondering what your take was on using a spin bike like the Keiser m3i and using it's blutooth functionality to connect to the Peloton app or other apps like Zwift or possibly Trainer Road? It's not necessarily a cheaper option by a whole lot, but it seems to provide more flexibility. I do love the Peloton classes but I could see myself possibly wanting to progress to something for more long term tracking. Appreciate any insights you might have...thanks a lot!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

That’s a fantastic question and a really hard one to answer, but I’ll just type a bunch and hopefully you can pick out the parts that resonate with you. You’ve got a couple options: 1) Cheap route: So first off, I’m not familiar with the m3i before just now, but some time on Google tells me you’ll also need a $200 adapter in order to get it to talk to Zwift/TrainerRoad/et al. Factor that in. From there, what you’ve got is basically a spin bike with real power data. On the cheap route, I’d *probably* go the route of getting a ‘dumb’ spin bike mixed with a Wahoo Cadence sensor and Schoche arm HR sensor that talks to your computer/iPad/Phone. Blend that with the Peloton classes and you have cadence and your heartrate tracked; you won’t have speed or any sort of power tracked, but if your main draw is the engagement with the instructors, you can still broadly follow along. Ironically, the con I talked about in the video (regarding people semi-ignoring the resistance) could be to your advantage here. You wouldn’t know EXACTLY what ’60 resistance’ feels like, but you can obviously understand when and roughly how much to turn the knob and which way. Your HR will give you a sense of how hard you worked, and your cadence can be in line with what the instructor says. That’s the cheap way. 2) If you want to spend a little more and get a better experience, take your ‘dumb’ spin bike and your HR monitor and add in some favero assioma pedals ($500 for one side, $650 for two.) Those will then connect to either Zwift or TrainerRoad; I’m not sure if they connect to Peloton. Now you’ve got REAL power data that’s very accurate, and the training world is your oyster. Stick with Peloton if you want, but you’ll be doing the same thing I mentioned above (hitting cadence and estimating resistance.) At this point, I’d personally push someone over to Zwift or TrainerRoad, but it depends on your goals. Peloton is absolutely more engaging (for most people) than TrainerRoad; TrainerRoad is staring at a damn line that determines how much you hurt. TrainerRoad is basically terrible other than that it will get you very fit, just about as fast as anything will. Their instructors (behind the scenes, who built out the plans) DO know what they’re talking about, and the plans are very well constructed. In all the ways that Peloton falls (lack of holistic planning, lack of individual specificity) TrainerRoad excels. “But Justin, I could do the PowerZone rides on Peloton.” Yeah, you could, but they’re still not as good. They’re better than regular classes for long term progressive growth, but if that’s what you really want, stick with TR or Zwift training plans (better than PTon, not as good as TR.) 3) If what I just wrote about TrainerRoad and how much better it is for the fitness side of thing made you say “Yeah, but I really like the instructors of Peloton,” that’s perfectly fine; I get that. TR is pretty infamously *not fun* for most people, even people who like it. At that point, if you’re willing to pay the price of the m3i [having not used that bike] I’d probably just get the peloton bike (if you can adjust it how you want, which I can’t.) I don’t think I’d pay $2k and then have a bike that’s sorta half plugged into the Peloton experience. If you want the experience, then probably just get the experience. But then like you said, the m3i at least has some potential to *eventually* plug into TrainerRoad… That’s neat, and I get your point, but then I might loop you back to #2. A not ideal Peloton experience either way, but then a *better* zwift experience down the road (for less money.) 4) Tacx Neo indoor bike or Wahoo bike. Big boy and girl territory here. Even more money ($3200-3500), but still within the discussion in terms of Peloton + years of service. With TrainerRoad being $130/year, the inversion point for the Neo with TrainerRoad should hit in just a year or two (but I’m too lazy to do the math.) If you want a fully adjustable bike with real power and great integration, could be a move. Too much $$$ for me. Hope that at least helps and isn’t super overwhelming. Short version is, if you’re attracted to the motivation and you liked it in the gym, I’d probably just get the Peloton and roll with it, especially if ‘general fitness’ is your goal. If your long term goal is progressive, continual improvement, TR is the move, if you can deal with the lack of direct stimulus.

[@davevasquez9318]

​@@JustinDoesTriathlon Wow! Thanks so much Justin for this thorough and very helpful response! This is a ton of great info. You definitely give me a lot more to think about. I'm glad you mentioned the power pedals as I meant to ask about those very ones! I think you bring up a great point about spending almost the same amount for the Keiser and only getting a partial working experience with the Peloton. If I think about my experience, it was the Peloton experience, specifically the classes that really worked for me. Perhaps the best option is to just buy a Peloton! Have you ever heard of anyone using those power pedals on a Peloton? Would that allow you to access to Zwift or Trainer Road (obviously would have to use another screen, so there's that)? Going to continue to research a little more into some of the things you mentioned above and then hope to make a decision in the not too distant future. Thank you again for such helpful info, super appreciate it!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

@@davevasquez9318 No problem! Reddit says no go on connecting power pedals (or any power data) to the Peloton app; it'll only pull in cadence and HR. You'd be able to attach the Assiomas to the Peloton if you wanted, but that data wouldn't be going anywhere unless you collected it with something else. I probably wouldn't ever add Assiomas to a Peloton unless I already had some; you don't really utilize the power data in most rides (see previous rant.) So you *could* put power pedals on a Peloton and use Zwift or TR, yes, but let's play that out a little bit. At that point, you'd be using the Peloton as a 'dumb' spin bike with power pedals, essentially. All Zwift would know is that you have "bike" and your power data, which is basically the same as it thinks any bike is. TrainerRoad would also treat it like a regular bike on a dumb *bike trainer,* essentially. At THAT point (so many wormholes, I'm sorry man,) with that much money spent, I'd have said: You'd have done better getting either a real bike and mounted it to a Wahoo Kickr (my preferred) or a Tacx Neo / Kickr Bike, because THEN TrainerRoad and Zwift could actually use erg mode to talk back to the trainer, and actively adjust the resistance for you. It's subtle, and you can absolutely get ripping strong without erg mode, *but* being on a smart trainer is a nice experience, because if TR wants you to hit 300W, you don't need to focus about staring at the line and hitting it, you just pedal and it automatically holds 300W no matter how fast you pedals. It's a very nice experience. Quick aside between Zwift and TR: I like TR. A lot of people have good success with Zwift, but I don't find the gamification effective for me. I should in theory, but I dunno; I just don't engage TOO much with the little on screen charachter. To each their own, of course. I think TR basically fills that spot of "Yeah it's not super fun, but it's effective."

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Read this in depth if you haven't found it: www.reddit.com/r/pelotoncycle/comments/ap6glv/anyone_regularly_use_the_peloton_app_with_a/ I dunno, I prob wouldn't spend that much for a non-optimal Peloton experience if Peloton was my goal, but it depends on where you see yourself being longer term I suppose.

[@davevasquez9318]

JustinDoesTriathlon sorry it took a while to get back. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate all this great information. It’s really helping me to make a much better informed decision. I’m stilling mulling things over but I feel I may be leaning towards Peloton as that experience was what got me interested in the first place. The Keiser bike looks really nice and adds some flexibility but if I’m interested in the Peloton experience I should probably just invest in that. But these are the things Im going back and forth on so hope to make the decision soon. Thank you again for all this very helpful info!

[@MattiWaarna]

10:39 great quote. The best workout is the one you do!

[@FitnessTechnologyServices]

Very good video great content

[@Benjamin-jc9qs]

Thanks for the great review, Justin!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Glad it was helpful!

[@vandall1981]

Love the review. What camera do you use?

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Thanks! This was all A7iii with a Tamron 17-28.

[@rohanchohdri3811]

cool review man. Theres a whole world of difference between exercising and training. Something that took me years to work out. Peloton seems to be suited more for getting in a work out (which is great) as opposed to actual training. In fact you could probably get yourself an old spin bike and a fit bit and work with Heart rate zones and a cookie cutter programme you find online to get a better training affect. Thats my take on it at least .

[@DarthSmalls]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@devinparis7997]

Can you review the NordicTrack S22i? Or maybe take a look at it and let us know your thoughts?

[@jrod238]

Thank so much. Exactly what I needed to hear. I will sub and like v

[@jessicaevans2564]

This was a really good review, very thorough.

[@fingersmagillicuddy4322]

Solid review

[@BNCA70]

Might be a good product - the tv ads drive me mental though. I almost have to change channel.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Hahah I feel that. I'm probably not their 'target' audience either, and the ads are just so over the top corny to me. I guess it works for the right audience, though.

[@michaelbrathwaite7019]

Haha. That guys voice on the UK ads motivates me - to kick his head in 😂😂

[@rcmag13]

Great review on the bike, was thinking about getting one but now having second thoughts about that. I have a nice road bike but my neck is sore after riding indoors on it in a static position, I was hoping an indoor bike would put me into more of an upright position while I'm indoors. I may just try to elevate the front wheel and continue using zwift.

[@av169534]

Great review.

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[@roxanneburrus2371]

Thank you for the review. It helped me decide to get the Concept2 Erg Bike.

[@AaronEckenthal]

I think if you try power zone training on Peloton you might feel differently. It is hands down one of the best ways to train. There is a whole program for it on the bike and resources through powerzone pack that put together a whole training regiment. There are also other trading programs on the bike instead of taking random classes that are not necessarily tied to one another. Seems like you need to become more familiar with the offerings on Peloton as you missed that aspect.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

No, I touched on PZ briefly; I wasn't that impressed. PZ on Peloton is *fine,* but it absolutely pales compared to the progressive base/build/specialty of TrainerRoad. PZ is, you know, fine, and it's definitely a lot better in terms of progressive build, but if you're going to be on an FTP-based plan, it makes way more sense to be on a bike that actually measures power and can actually be setup in a fit that's comparable. As is, my power on Peloton would be artificially high compared to my tri bike because I can't match positions. I think it's a bit of a moot point anyway, because I don't see (and I could be wrong) many people buying PT *for* the PZ rides. If that's your long term goal, there's much better options. Even Zwift is more progressive. TrainerRoad is another league altogether. Basically to me, peloton is best as a motivational tool. If you don't need the interactivity, and you care more about real power results, I think time is best served on another platform

[@namelessghouls]

@@JustinDoesTriathlon All I do are PZ rides on my peloton... at least 90% of the rides I do are PZ and there are 4 instructors now dedicated to PZ, including CDE, who is a competitive track cyclist herself. Perhaps for you.... but PZ is wildly popular on Peloton. I know this is an old comment I'm responding to, but your general tone is to knock down the Peloton, while giving it kudos at the same time. We get it, it's not for you, but you're also not the intended target market. I just did their first live class from home on Monday with Robin, and there were 26K riders online taking the class... live. As for fitness, my run times have improved dramatically just with PZ training. I'm a regular person but have to to a fitness test for work every year and the Peloton and PZ training (particular the PowerZone Pack) has helped immensely.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

@@namelessghouls I read your comments. I respect your points, but I still don't really agree with them. PZ is good, and much better than just hopping into random classes, but it's still missing massive elements of training if you're looking for progressive growth. There's no periodization, there are not really any schedules within PZ itself, there are no different types of PZ courses depending on your goals (short power bursts, steady sustained power,) there aren't any courses for people who want to have endurance sessions in the couple hour range, etc. PZ is better than random classes if your goal is a bit of progression, but it really misses a lot in comparison to TrainerRoad, Zwift training plans, The Sufferfest, etc. My main point is: If someone really wants power-based training plans and that's the reason you're getting into it (progressive growth posed on power,) you can do better. TrainerRoad has a world tour pro as well ;)

[@namelessghouls]

@@JustinDoesTriathlon I use PowerZone pack training plans, and they work quite well and are not randomly thrown together. The point IM trying to make is that the Peloton is made for randoms, like me, not serious athletes like you. So I don't understand why you keep comparing it to TR or Zwift. I'm sorry, but knocking down 2 minutes of my 1.5 mile run without even setting a foot on pavement in a month is not growth, IDK what to tell you.

[@albetteridge5553]

Thanks for the review very helpful. My dilemma is buying a Peloton bike that could be enjoyed by me and my 3 other family members, (at a premium price I know), or purchase a Wahoo Kickr core smart Turbo trainer + Zwift (which only I would use), but much cheaper outlay and lower monthly cost.

[@chrisdavis8399]

Hey Justin. Incredibly balanced review. My question is how loud is the Peloton? I’m in an apartment where you can hear your neighbours. Cheers!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Happy to help. It's *very* quiet. I'd go so far as to say that if it's at the point where it's too loud, you probably can't ever use any sort of trainer. A thick mat beneath it would help reduce vibrations. The new direct drive trainers (like Wahoo Kickr) have gotten a lot more quiet, but to my ear, the Peloton is still probably quieter. For effectively silent, look at the Stac Zero (and or the new 4iiii Fliiiiight trainer; Stac got bought.) It uses magnetic resistance against your metal bike wheel, so basically the only sound is your actual drive train noise. I've ridden the Zero on a demo; road feel isn't as good as something like a Kickr, but in terms of 'giving you resistance', yeah, works just fine. The Fliiiight is looking great in the previews [comes out very soon]

[@chrisdavis8399]

JustinDoesTriathlon....Thanks do much for your reply Justin! Very helpful!

[@Darren_Kelly]

Hi Justin. You mentioned that being from Seattle there are very few live classes available to you when you want to work out. I am from the UK, so i'm guessing there will be ZERO live classes available to someone who lives over the pond? Thanks.

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Looks like you're 8 hrs ahead of me. I just did some quick browsing, looks like there's stuff between (generally) about 11am and 11pm. You actually might be better positioned than I am even. That said, Peloton.com, setup a free account, then hit schedule. I can't seem to change my time zone so I'm not positive. That should do it for you though!

[@Darren_Kelly]

@@JustinDoesTriathlon Thanks Justin, i appreciate your reply. I may have to get one after all then.

[@hoakie]

There are now several UK instructors and I think I saw there is a German one now too

[@kimohawaiian2154]

Daz Kelly there is a newer London studio that will help with that time zone issue, for both the UK and the German market. Hopefully they will add more instructors and increase the number of live rides fir that region.

[@namelessghouls]

@@seandooley1405 there are six, technically. Ben, Leanne, Sam, and Hannah. Also, Erik and Irene, although German, also teach from the london studio. Irene teaches in English sometimes.

[@chazalpha96]

I’d really like to know indoor spin bike alternatives to Peloton that have ergo & adjustability

[@mashanikit12]

Where do you get the brackets to use regular shoes? I thought you could only use the peloton/cycling shoes that actually have the cleats attached to them?

[@lisaa9346]

Such a great review. I love my Peloton. Agree wish handle bars would adjust back and forth. Agree that the screen should pivot. Although I paid 5 bucks for a mirroring app on my phone and now I can do the floor classes on my tv. Agree that there’s not enough west coast times. But they’re trying . And I do find the instructors to be so motivating and still enjoy on demand classes. There are so so many . I tend to just try to do my best despite the leaderboard. I gave up my beloved Orange Theory because it winds up being cheaper. I work as a night shift RN in a stressful department and I absolutely love the convenience! My non spinning husband loves it too! We don’t do triathlons though!

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Great idea about the mirroring app! Definitely would not have thought of that. I have a couple friends who do OTF and they seem to like it. I just can't bring myself to pay quite that much for it. Just seems like so much. D: Can't blame you at all for wanting max convenience; a good friend's wife is an ER nurse and I've heard some of the stories... I could never do what you all do. Just happy that you can!

[@bytesizeclu]

And today they showed off the Peloton Bike + which fixes a few of the issues you brought up, for example better speakers, the screen can be rotated to the side for floor workouts and even electronic adjustive resistance from the workouts themselves. about £300 more and honestly I dont think its worth it but its something to keep in mind

[@CassieMCOSMO67]

Thank you so much for your video would you recommend the cages to use your trainers or to buy the shoes that clip-on that they recommend ? Thank you .Caron

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Either or! Cycling shoes that clip on are *ideal* and I find them much more comfortable. You don't have to 'flex' your foot to maintain pedal contact. That said, cages with trainers are fine to many people. You could always start with the cages and see if it bothers you. Ideally though, cycling shoes + pedals yes.

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[@alexandrasarantaki2610]

Hi- very good review! Most of your video talks about the pelaton app. I have seen that you can purchase this app without having to buy the pelaton bike. Is there a difference between bying the pelaton bike with its app and buying another bike using the pelaton app? I mean i can buy another bike and see the classes of the pelaton app on my ipad. What is the difference? Please reply, Thank you!

[@chezchezchezchez]

Did you ever find out?

[@noahdown]

Peloton is planning on adding a live studio out of Los Angeles, so there will be more "live" classes available which is great since I live on the West Coast.

[@thomasdeeks129]

I would love to see this for the Bike+

[@markpayne5451]

Time to update this. PZ training gives you structure, class, motivation. you can jump on any of the 2000+ 45 minute rides and find one with several hundred to over 1k people currently on the ride and compete with them- leaderboard is updated every day. you can now pause the rides. Maybe some of the issues you found was it appears that you may have been using a bike in a gym rather than a personal one and their subscription may have been differemt. Overall a pretty good review.