JUSTINE BATEMAN DISCUSSES THE STATE OF HOLLYWOOD | Film Threat Versus

[@nealm6764]

People not worshipping movies and Hollywood is a good thing. Live your lives.

[@howardalantreesong2588]

This… “Hollywood”? Oh, okay. I see, you think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your car and you drive to the park, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you see at the movies or on TV. But what you don't know is that that drive to the park is not just a drive to the park. It's not "touching grass". It's not "freedom". It's actually something you learned to do in movies and TV.

[@billienews]

Your statement has nothing to do with what they're talking about actually. They're talking about why the business of movies is failing.

[@DentalBeaker]

Celebrity worship is worse than ever. It’s just shifted to talentless influencers and political hacks.

[@StratumPress]

@@howardalantreesong2588 WTH are you talking about? lol

[@miked-zr1ks]

@@howardalantreesong2588 I didn't need movies or tv to teach me to drive or how to get to a park.

[@TheInstantClassic86]

Can we get Justine Bateman on these shows?

[@bmardiney]

She was on Adam Carolla a week ago.

[@anthonylogiudice9215]

misleading title- obviously.

[@shanehachey9355]

Seconded

[@FilmThreat]

She is going to be live with us on Wednesday, December 11th for Hollywood on the Rocks.

[@patricksmith3376]

I'm 50, and I loved watching movies for my first 40. I don't even consider it anymore. I've lived enough to know when I'm being "re-educated" with ideological propaganda. I just want to be entertained

[@cvzanikos1]

Right there with you

[@Aspire2Bsum1]

@@patricksmith3376 me either!

[@bobwehner7881]

I was pleased to see that Zemekis, who owns the rights, will never allow a "Back to the Future" remake.

[@suzybearheart530]

I shudder to think what a new Back to the Future would look like.

[@michaelotoole1807]

@@suzybearheart530 ill guarantee that it would be Marsha McFly in the remake.

[@randallsnyder5757]

It will star Zendaya as Marty's granddaughter or something, that's for sure.

[@suzybearheart530]

@randallsnyder5757 and @michaelotoole1807 you are both spot on. The DeLorean would be replaced by an electric moped or a Prius with a LGBTQAI🎩😻+++@ pride flag bumper sticker and instead of plutonium it would run on tax dollars and soy lattes.

[@jessekoepp3928]

Until he's dead unfortunately. Then it's "Back to the Matriarchy" starring Rachel Zegler as Martina McFly.

[@deputykalaniuvalufotofili2945]

Rob is sooo on point, Hollywood needs to have the passion or at least the insight to nurture good film making which equals good business. Even the mediocre movies 20 or 30 years ago still have a re-watchable quality. Nowadays not so much.

[@randallsnyder5757]

I lost all hope in Hollywood after S. Craig Zahler did three kick-ass movies and never got picked up afterwards by any studio and now he can't even get his independent $10 million projects financed. He's definitely one of the greatest talents of his generation and now he silently went back to writing novels because there's no work for him in the film industry.

[@edwitt137]

@@randallsnyder5757 all 3 of those movies are bangers, I pray we get another one someday

[@michaelotoole1807]

never heard of him.

[@shuriken4852]

Would it be please possible to close the shared screen when done reading, so we can actually see the panelists, instead of a huge static screen that adds nothing.

[@RockyBergen]

This is my favorite group!

[@gridley]

Bateman's comment about Hollywood hurting itself by focusing on the bottom line misses the elephant standing in the corner of the room: Most executives & employees in the entertainment industry are socially, politically too "lefty." If they weren't so dogmatic, their plots, scripts & casting calls would have been handled very differently, way less "woke"

[@gokhanersan8561]

Justine Bateman summarized the situation very vey well.

[@CurtisDofMontana]

Hello Alan and Chris. I sent you tags on X about some of what I believe about living with my disability's

[@FilmThreat]

Thank you!

[@howardalantreesong2588]

This conversation was absolutely fascinating to me because everything you said about what has happened to film making in Hollywood - essentially it being run by executives in their 20s-40s who know next to if not actually nothing about the industry they are in - applies to the two different industries I have worked and still work in. That kind of managerialism choking the life out of everything is a culture wide problem and applies to everything from infrastructure to hospital management.

[@darthdiculous6511]

If you go up to bat every time trying to hit home runs you're going to strike out A LOT. And if you have a whole batting line up made up of players who only know how to swing for the fences your team is going to lose a lot of games. So the Hollywood strategy of only making huge budget blockbusters can't work.

[@bcluett1697]

After Godzilla Minus One was shot so cheap with an interesting story I have to wonder if the revamp is in the works and we'll soon see studios chancing low budget films. You can see that with that you could use streaming as a backup plan but if it turns out a surprise hit then invest for the big screen release. They got to stop with the focus groups though. That's just useless. They really need someone who can read what's a hit and then chase the directors and his team that does good work to enhance their chances.

[@thetequilaprofessor]

Godzilla Minus One was a gamechanger. Just due to Godzilla Minus One - we cut the budget of a project in half.

[@Mars_Monkey]

Only Hollywood is terrible at making those genres!

[@moderatecanuck]

Thank you!

[@ziggystardusk6629]

Love the love for Justine Bateman here.

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

Of course there will be the occasional hit movie here and there like Deadpool, Barbie or wicked. But a movie that makes a billion dollars today is not like a billion dollars years ago. Some of these movies are breaking even at 1 billion it’s crazy. The cost and marketing of these movies are insane. The occasional hit movie is not going to take Hollywood off life support. So I think she’s right it is dead.

[@koobs4549]

As fellow half-Maltese person, I approve this message

[@LaraA55]

She is absolutely right. Hollywood is dead inside. Reboots ,remakes, prequels and sequels. Fear of innovation.

[@izzyoddzy6556]

Justine seems pretty cool.

[@jeremy__hopkins]

A former boss of mine got to the heart of the problem when he stated, if he could automate the entire work force without dealing with workers, he'd do so. That's the future of tech companies with the FAANG companies leading the pack for investment and vision. Essentially, many creatives today are driving the Uber while waiting for more, and eventually full, automation. Makes me miss the insane push, with producers hovering over desks to have everything done, on tape, and sent out by Friday at 5PM for FedEX pickup so that network execs could review the work on Monday. Even the mid streaming years when investment flowed into certain projects and there was still theatrical and network options has some nostalgia, but that time too has passed.

[@howardalantreesong2588]

Butlerian Jihad is coming and coming soon. It's going to be a wild ride.

[@Ghost_Text]

Only things are is how much NVIDIA is burning up on these GPUs current AI is dependent on. income will have to outweigh the billions big tech is spending on it. Also the AI hallucinations have to be solved to 95 to 100 % reliability, since human error can be held directly accountable where AI...not as much.

[@jeremy__hopkins]

@@Ghost_Text Yes, we're not there yet with AI. Not even close. Humans will still play a huge part with top level creative decisions and with lower level technical retakes for the foreseeable future. However AI improvements over the past few years have been significant. Those with bottom line thinking aren't planning long term creative legacy and are seemingly focused on quarterlies for large investors. Or that's what feels like when working for these companies. That aspect is already part of production and we'll most likely continue to see smaller teams with more pressure put on the creative staff to do more aspects of production. Yes, Nvidia has had huge growth recently but they're technically not part of the FAANG list. They are playing fast and loose with AI PR, probably for investment, but they also have a viable business with their highest end GPUs used for gaming, scientific and rendering/video editing.

[@briansimerl4014]

If a movie's only purpose is to support the actors and staff and not actually turn a profit for investors, only breaking even, then that is a non-profit model. Even if it's a billion dollars.

[@jeremy__hopkins]

18:45 - Just to add to this comment. I've rarely found the network notes or executive notes that filtered down to me to be informed. Though that's 22 years ago versus 30-40 years ago in animation. That 10 year gap makes a difference. They generally seemed clueless about the art. This is more important with Canadian productions because sources of funding come from multiple partners which means multiple, and sometimes conflicting, network notes. The difference is, in the past, a director would stand up for his staff and push back against what didn't make sense for budget and schedule. The crowd shot of single socks that morphed in a giant Sock Monkey character with patches was killed at the script stage thanks to an informed director who knew it wasn't possible with the pipleline and TV budget. Anymore there's no patience for pushback even with the nonsense notes. Just do it and do it on time, regardless how unreasonable the expectation and a director who can't do that is removed. That adds to point Script and Chris were making about the disposable nature of talent and everything being data driven. Also, amazing to me the level of autistic Rainman level of number counting for certain things but Hollywood can't even release all HD Blu Ray movies with HDR10+ or Dolby Vision.

[@jaymcdonald6804]

Is Norah (2023) set in Saudi Arabia the film mentioned at 6:48?

[@JUSTSAYING-dg4hu]

The Boy and The Heron discuss how Miyazaki has no one to replace him after he spent his whole life pushing the medium - he turns around and there is no one coming behind him.

[@AshleyWincer]

We need more Roger Corman type film makers..

[@nightbeast8105]

does the coffin have handles or usb ports 🤭

[@Dr.Sarcasm]

8:14 it was called "Violet". I've found the Blu-ray at Dollar Tree

[@mperlatti]

I was a cast member in a show from 35 years ago!! Since then I’ve done nothing… Pay attention to me!!! Who am i??

[@avengemybreath3084]

I now have as much contempt for Hollywood as it does for me.

[@glennevitt5250]

Well, it’s like this when the Blair witch project came out. You had two dudes maxed out credit cards got some low budget actors, and the school that shows the Paramont Columbia all those people somebody can do it for a lot cheaper.😎

[@Tai_Fung]

To RMB’s point @ 12:26, I’d love to see a high quality version of A Confederacy of Dunces.

[@mperlatti]

Ron Howard directed “Eden” recently… What happened to that movie? Was it so bad it was just buried??

[@brihiggins]

This is good stuff, let's hear something from the lady next time.

[@chrisalcala1396]

1982 was the best year ever for cinema.

[@zman1982]

Definetely in terms of the summer movie season as for the rest of the year, it’s close

[@chrisalcala1396]

@Antitaxer99 for my generation (X) 82 was tops but '39 built Hollywood's cultural hegemony...agreed.

[@briansimerl4014]

84 and 87 were better

[@ricardourrea5431]

2007.

[@Terrince_Tate]

Family Ties is awesome! Good for her for speaking out against the garbage in Hollywood.

[@grognardstorys]

The Oscars were dead decades ago. Award ceremonies have nothing to do with 'celebrating or admiring the arts.' If it did they would get rid of all categories and show like clips from several hundred films made in any given year as a celebration of what is out there. Instead, they get all the people with money who can push marketing campaigns "for your consideration" and I will wager 90% of the Academy voters don't watch 90% of the movies they're sent. They just recognize a name and say "Oh I like him" or "oh, she's always great."

[@CGMedia2023]

9:27 dear god, NO MORE ARTHOUSE CRAP!!! A24 is more pretentious and artsy than CANADIAN cinema, no mean feat. We're sick and fucking tired of arthouse crap on TV as it is, we do NOT need it back on the big screen. People want a fun night out when they go to the theater. Hollywood hasn't provided this in over a decade.

[@suzybearheart530]

I don't mind it, I quite like a lot of A24. But I wish we had fun, silly slashers like in the 80s. Give me Blood Rage, The Burning, Sleepaway Camp, and I'll be so happy!

[@CGMedia2023]

@@suzybearheart530 and you think art snobs like A24 are going to provide that?

[@1SpicyMeataball]

@CGMedia2023 You sound like a snob yourself. Takes one to know one, they say.

[@CGMedia2023]

@@1SpicyMeataball cry harder snobby.

[@suzybearheart530]

@CGMedia2023 Well, A24 gave us Pearl, X, and Maxxxine so yeah. They're not cheesy fun like the 80s but pretty close!

[@dionysislarson6352]

No, Rob was correct with the, "They think.", ending of "Hollywood has glamor.". No. No, they don't.

[@Aspire2Bsum1]

Why haven’t the powerhouse actors from the 50 something’s generation like Glenn Close ect ect couldn’t we go on and on? Why aren’t THEY speaking out about the pathetic state of film.

[@markpatton7431]

Mal-or-ie!

[@imunchienandalusia]

I was a consumer of everything media since i had my own money. Mainly music and movies. Now it's more about ego or propaganda than sharing a human story, IMO of course. Maybe super young people are digging it, but I've mostly checked out.

[@JonathanE-n3h]

Her brother will publicly denounce her soon.

[@suzybearheart530]

Oh no, is he super woke?

[@StratumPress]

@@suzybearheart530 There's evidence that he is. Or that he's a drone that follows the socially-accepted narrative.

[@namewitheld2568]

What I don't understand is buying the rights to great content and then completely fucking it up by totally changing everything that made it great and popular.

[@brinkbooks3492]

Justine Bateman should definitely get into gonzo hibagon documentaries. It is the future.

[@Alanx_ai]

Hollywood's not dead, just going through a post-streaming, post-theatrical transition. The hyper-critical culture proliferation of social media cannot be discounted. They're seeking the next formula which will be shorter formats and AI and currently playing it safe with nonstop franchises. Calm down people.

[@arbhall7572]

The way to money ball hollywood? Do what they did in the 80s. Go back to the pay to play revenue model, bring stuff to the studio, build it into a show or movie pilot, put it in front of a live studio audience. Then see if the crowds react, live. You pump money into the talent. Manage that talent, so it dosnt implode.

[@rankin1289]

So sad.

[@jamesleblanc7437]

So Mallory is the Alex P. Keaton we need right now.

[@samuelschwager]

Confirmed: Chris is an official A24 fanboi!

[@SomewhatBaffled]

I blame the parents of these executives.

[@Jeffro998]

Too much reliance on Save The Cat template formula.

[@metpach]

She did play Alex P. Keaton's sister. The most based of all tv characters. Even more than Tim "The Toolman" Taylor.

[@itsgleneaton4883]

Their logo was playing the game beats talent. So now that the game is over it’s occupied by people with no talent.

[@Sol7Studios]

Get Larry Fink and BlackRock out of the Studios

[@dostatochno]

7:54 Someone who claims to be a professional writer should really know the difference between mitigated and relegated.

[@MJanovicable]

A-24 is the future model that will survive all of this. This, "These are your movies" in a populist medium will never work. Even in the former USSR it was all about selling tickets. You don't sell tickets, the money invested is not recouped, and there are going to be fewer movies, even in that system. It was one thing when Stalin was still alive, it was truly all mandated content, backed by ubiquitous force (here, it's just money), but after his death you see cinema explode in the former Warsaw Pact. Movies are a popular medium, period, or they cannot exist for long.

[@jaymcdonald6804]

A24 is to contemporary cinema what 4AD was to 80s alternative.

[@christopherortiz9330]

The few people who are passionate and make solid films have an obligation to grow that network and build from within, replacing the idiots. Shouldn't have to be this way, but oh well.

[@markiangooley]

Not mitigated but relegated is the word there

[@howardalantreesong2588]

The bit that surprised me most was the statement that drama, rom-coms, and comedy don't do well internationally. Satire I understand because that has to be culturally specific, but comedy, drama, and rom-coms? I'm not buying that. I used to live and work in Mexico and French and Korean language comedies were running all the time in cinemas back then and were really popular so that surprises me.

[@Bombelkie]

Would love to hear your thoughts on the movie “ out of my mind” on Disney+😊

[@DennyGayTk-421]

Hollywood COULD make great movies, but they won't. These fools have told me over and over again that they really don't like my type... so I don't really gives two rats a$$ about them or what they are doing.

[@AceHole90]

Look how campea is never included in other channels.. the guy is a total tool. This is the place to talk movies

[@SelfishFew]

33 is not a "kid".

[@thetequilaprofessor]

Hollywood is a vampire. It isn’t dead. It has an ability to survive. The Hollywood studios are a goldmine in the age of AI. We are entering the age of $micro-transactions$ and of course ad dollars will always be with us. Consumers either pay for content directly or with their time and eyeballs and ears. Hollywood studios are story banks and with AI and access still to more dollars than indie producers will be able to create content and get it in front of consumers. They have used tools to replicate reality and suspend disbelief for 150 years. Once they figure out AI more fully they’ll put it to use or watch others do it. Animation and video games have proven this out. Right now you can contract any SAG talent’s voice with their recently signed AI voice use agreement. Can a talent’s image be far behind. The talent will collect fees without ever getting out of their pajamas. Smaller human stories can be told but can they find enough traction and $ to payback and reward investors?

[@Supremor-tj9dv]

She was cute when she was young.

[@mikewalsh9041]

For movie people you don't know shit about making a visual impact: disembodied voices, and a screen dominated by a dead image? Come on . . .

[@nunyabizness6595]

The fact that she didn't turn her lips into twenty bird and mess up her cheeks is laudable alone.😂😂😂

[@trogers1493]

The last original IP to have any major impact on pop culture was Harry Potter. That's just sad.

[@misterfevillord1588]

Avatar the last Airbender?

[@trogers1493]

@misterfevillord1588 It has it's own fan base sure, but it hasn't had a major impact on pop culture.

[@suzybearheart530]

Her X post-election posts were outstanding. 😂

[@cheriheisterman4634]

She didn't age well

[@namewitheld2568]

I am afraid to watch new movies. The agenda check mark crew are miserable or they are ruining classics. I just sit there and count the minutes until someone starts lecturing me or they are people I can't possibly relate to since I am not non-binary queer trans.

[@Red-zh7vq]

I just want to be able to write and direct features without the barrier to entry being impossibly high

[@GrimDarkGreg]

A24 is a production company, not a studio. Of course, the pretentious know it all guy doesn't know this.

[@fromchomleystreet]

How exactly would you define the distinction? Disney, Warner Bros, Paramount etc are all production companies, but are commonly referred to as “studios” (as an institution, NOT in the sense of a physical building)

[@bltvd]

I bet if they casted her as Lady Skeletor for an upcoming He Man live action movie she would be whistling a different tune!

[@tomh1593]

a D list actress whose career is in the crapper is commenting on the state of Hollywood. lol

[@Norvik_-ug3ge]

A random on the Internet who has never had an ounce of her fame, success, or talent is casting shade 🤡

[@kenseavey9165]

She was mostly the only reason I’d watch bits and pieces of family ties back in the day

[@CGMedia2023]

I'm surprised you are yet to bring up Bateman's foray into online media in the late 2010s. (Google Easy to Assemble.) She's definitely no stranger to alternative forms of media and storytelling. But adapting existing properties has been a huge part of Hollywood from the onset. (Especially in the 70s when the biggest movies of the decade save for Star Wars were based on top selling novels.) It's just that we're beyond done with cookie cutter spandex and cape movies.

[@moderatecanuck]

Rom Com was not popular internationally??? So how did K drama and C dramas do so well?

[@minbari73]

The world is packed solid with morons.

[@Cadallin]

Chinese and Korean actresses are recruited by attractiveness, and they don't try and push women that weigh 400lbs....

[@moderatecanuck]

Did people forget this all began during Trump’s first presidency? Female Ghostbusters anyone?

[@suzybearheart530]

I saw that film while recovering from a really bad rock climbing accident. In fact, it's how we celebrated me walking my first steps in 2 months. Even with fantastic painkillers, and my joy of walking again, that movie was a drag! 😂

[@misterfevillord1588]

​@@suzybearheart530you walked away from that movie! Hope you are better now

[@suzybearheart530]

@@misterfevillord1588 I am! Thank you so much. 😃

[@tacotruffles]

Let’s be real. When the art making left Hollywood, the only thing left is an elaborate money laundering machine. 🤩