Big Block Mopar Heads Edelbrock E Street vs. Trickflow 240: Part 2/2

[@edsmachine93]

Thanks Joe. Great job putting the video together. I really enjoyed having you at the shop. I appreciate all the kind words and feed back of each and everyone of your SUBS. Thanks guys. And thank you Joe. Without you and customers we would not be able to do what we do. Great content, EM.

[@rong4189]

Wish there were more shops like yours around. Sometimes it’s brutal out here lol!

[@edsmachine93]

@@rong4189 Thanks Ron, really appreciate you saying that. Have a great day, EM.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Glad to be there, Ed! Ready to get more days over!

[@parkermcwilliams1058]

Machine shops are going away and the guys that have the experience to run them are a dying breed. Thanks Joe, Mr. Ed and Mr. Wayne,

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for saying that Parker! It’s a cool place to be.

[@chadklotz5494]

I run the TF 240’s on my ‘70 440 GTX. I put them on 2 years ago and man, it’s night and day difference. I rebuilt the 440 10 years ago, basically stock, just a little bigger cam. Two years ago, removed the 915 heads, exhaust manifolds and the cast iron intake. It now has an Edelbrock performer RPM intake, 800 Edelbrock carb, TF 240 heads and 1 7/8” TTI headers and 3 inch exhaust. No more gas in the carb boiling or engine running hot issues. The car runs hard!! I love it. It’ll spin the tires at 35 mph and below (275/60/15 and 3:55 gears).

[@JustMoparJoe]

Awesome! I’m putting the 240’s on a 440 for a guy to put in his RT/SE charger. It’s going to be awesome!

[@SteveP-vm1uc]

This is a video EVERYONE should watch!!!! Great job, Joe.. Didn't seem like they would change much on the 240 heads at all!! A bit of easing of the edge of the chambers and maybe another angle to the seats.. I have dealt with a few machine shops in my time and I don't think many take this kind of time to dig into things.. Great job Ed and Wayne!!!

[@vrm86gt]

agreed! Good job on showing the differences between the 2 heads!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Steve! I’m smarter by knowing these guys!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks VRM!

[@SteveP-vm1uc]

@@JustMoparJoe As are we. Thanks for adding them to all of our arsenals...

[@gordocarbo]

Those 2 companies have come a long ways good vid

[@tomdamon7208]

Wow ! what an education ! thank you so much , Joe !

[@JustMoparJoe]

Glad to share Tom! I’m never afraid to admit what I don’t know. We are all learning! If I hangout with smart guys I might end up like them!

[@jimwellesley5849]

Great video Joe! Ed and Wayne know there stuff! I've personally known Ed for 30 plus years and he's the one and only REAL DEAL machinist! Turns out some great engines, as I know personally. He's done 383's, 416 stroker, 440, slant 6, and a 426 Hemi for me. ALL over the top! Great job guys!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

I’m with you, Jim! Amazing work. I’ll showcase what he can do with the block video.

[@AB-80X]

I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. I'm sure he's great and I'll never try to say otherwise. Giving praise while throwing shade on everyone else, is B.S. There are other great builders who really know their stuff. Some a "small" names and some are big, and there are luckily several great engine builders and machinists out there to choose from.

[@dinadaughtry8993]

The machine shop guys can make or break a build, your lucky you have good knowledgeable machine shop local, with your attention to detail and the knowledge of the machine shop guys your engine builds are top notch

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for checking out the videos!

[@DuddiesAdventure]

Big thanks to Mr. Ed and Mr. Wayne for letting you come in there and let you video their process of checking them over. Very cool 2 part video Joe! Really enjoyed it and it's eye opening to aftermarket off the shelf parts. Now it's time to build the motor!

[@JustMoparJoe]

I feel that peer pressure Duddie! You haven’t seen the block and head work yet, but it’s coming!

[@timrayburn2461]

Awesome job Joe and thank you to Ed and Wayne.Not many people in this world we now live in are so willing to share their knowledge that took a lifetime to gather.The demand for mass production is at an all time high ; quality control at an all time low. The cat chasing his tail.ANYONE considering purchasing new heads is better off buying bare castings and having a reputable machine shop such as Ed's correct/complete the machining and assembly.All head manufacturers have problems.It's the nature of the beast now a days.

[@JustMoparJoe]

I’ve said the same before. I was going to buy bare and get parts, etc. But these were on sale and I fell for it!

[@wayne8498]

Great stuff, much appreciation to Ed and Wayne as well.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Wayne!

[@markallen1413]

That was really cool Joe, i loved it because years ago trick flow didn't offer Mopar heads and rpm's were the greatest since slice bread and i was caught up in the 440 source deal which i have had great luck with there products but have never bought an aluminum head, just had a race shop do my 906'sand 915's so several years later you have showed me a lot..... my cars have setting for over 8 years which is blasphemy i know but your channel and a few others are 🔥 the much needed candle under my ASS.... thanks buddy 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Mark! Ed loves the stock castings too. He can make magic with them too!

[@Ridendrty]

Love listening to the wisdom of experienced craftsman. Thanks Joe!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother.

[@BigfootsnMopars]

Enjoying this series, Joe. Definitely helps get an idea what to check on new heads. Thanks.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks buddy! You’ll have it going on soon!

[@copperaudio9664]

Nice work Joe. 😎👍 There's a lot of knowledge in that room.

[@JustMoparJoe]

These are the heads for my dyno 440 build! Just painted that block!

[@trevorcole3273]

Great 2 part video,I bought my trick flow 240's to stuff on a 470 I'm collecting parts for,I hope I can still buy fuel when I get it built

[@JustMoparJoe]

Good stuff Trevor. Good luck 👍🏼

[@trevorcole3273]

I'm putting my engine in a 68 dodge truck

[@IronHorseGarage]

Trick Flow for the win!! Great video series Joe!! It's been very educational!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks William!

[@Umwee63]

Always been the small block guy back in the 70's. But I own a 400 now. Sure wish You would rebuild it for me. Your attention to detail is fantastic. Its a 78 400. Needs more compression like new pistons and shorter rods for lower rod/ stroke ratio (only because it doesn't dwell at top dead center so long being in a RV and needed a broader torque curve the shorter r/s ratio will give). Love Your channel and you have all kinds of goodies (Mopar Parts). Heck I would even trade the 400 for a mild 383 build. Be nice to see you build a big stroker out of it to sell or keep. Thanks Joe

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks David! I have my 400 build coming, a 440 for a guy, and a 518 build on the books! After that I’m yours 😂

[@440phoenix]

These guys are Awesome!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Head gurus here! Next time you’ll get to see my block decked and honed!

[@USARAY1947]

Great mini-series on heads. Lots of info that applies to all heads. Thanks.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thank you!

[@andrewfrisard8960]

Whoop Whoop, I wrestled with the this very decision and l’m lucky I guessed correctly and bought the Trick Flow 190’s for my 5.9 Magnum. Wish you had done this video last year wouldn’t have banged my head deliberating the cost difference between the Eddie’s n Trick Flow. (Running the Trick Flows on the 5.9 have the added cost of the specially designed rollers Rockers to be able to run LA style Heads on an Magnum Motor) Another great video! You never disappoint!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother! More engine stuff this weekend!

[@musclecarmitch908]

Great to see Ed and Wayne's knowledge on heads, your lucky to have someone with such knowledge there! Great video! This has helped me decide which way to go if I ever use aluminum heads on a big block, which I have wanted to try sometime in the future!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Mitch! This is my first set purchases for myself. I’ve learned my lesson!

[@Zachsmoparandmashedpotatos]

My Sb TrickFlows came with one rough corner just like that! It’s towards the firewall . Joe them engine brackets for my truck fit beautifully thank you!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Those are off my old faithful! Hope they treat you well! Thanks brother

[@markszczepaniak5888]

Good job on the education on those heads, thankyou on that one.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Mark! More to come.

[@rodneybyrd9516]

I always envied the TrickFlow Ford "R" heads and 18* Chevy heads, and was glad to see them get into the MoPar market!! In the early 2000s, an AFR rep told me that there were no plans to do SB or BB MoPar heads, but that they were contemplating Gen 3 Hemi stuff. Now I see that AFR has come through, finally, for the late Hemi fans!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s awesome! They should have done bbm and sbm. The Gen3 heads are pretty good as is. We needed help in the earlier years! Lol

[@slantfish65sd]

Excellent job as always I'm glad you did this lots of little things to look for when buying aftermarket heads and sometimes things to remember when your porting any other kind of cylinder head

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@cjm5002]

I heard the mention of the 440Source heads in there. Personally I would LOVE to see how they stack up against the heads you have in this 2 part series.

[@JustMoparJoe]

If I can get a set to check out, I definitely will!

[@eyebok]

Great information. Shouldn’t surprise anyone that generally you get what you pay for.

[@JustMoparJoe]

This is true! Thanks brother

[@318willrun]

They mentioned 440 source in the video as well. I wonder if they've seen any Promaxx come through their shop.?. ? ....

[@JustMoparJoe]

I don’t believe he’s seen Mopar promaxx. He did mention seeing some Black Friday speedmasters that came through.

[@rong4189]

Great stuff Joe! If I ever get a set of aluminum heads, I’d probably go with the 440 Source heads, just for the personal preference of the stock looking ends on them (I love that), but knowing I would have to put some more money, porting and a few parts into them too. Now if only there was someone who could mill the ends of the Trick Flows to look stock lol!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Ron. If I can find a set, I’ll beg Ed and Wayne to let bring them in!

[@JonnyMopar]

Should easy with an air chisel Ron. Lol.

[@rowdyreviews6530]

Another GREAT LESSON ON HEADS, justmopowerjoespeedjuiceschool!!! These guys explained a lot of the differences I was asking about if these manufacturers where changing the port locations, like rasing the intake and exhaust ports to cut down on the turn the air has to take to get into the combustion chambers! I still wonder why they aren't moving the exhaust ports up higher to keep the exhaust air from hitting the top of the exhaust runner so hard when coming from combustion chambers. I am Electrician as you know Joe so So I have ran a lot of pipe and pushed a lot of wires through them and that's why my ideas in my head about the port locations are the way they are I feel curtain . I believe if the ports on exhaust side where higher and then the headers would have a more gradual turn before heading down instead of the really tight turn down the flow numbers as a whole would have to increase considerably. My ways of thinking are much different then most so if this is confusing to some of my fellow Mopar buddies or you Joe my apologies lol. I guess I think of the heads as just part of the team so the air exiting and how well the intake manifolds and headers are able to reduce the turns should mean a lot as a whole with how well the heads can flow. I can run a pipe straight and say hey this pipe flows more air then any pipe in the world but if I put 90 degree bends right after it and before it then my straight peice would be crap even if someone purchased it as being the best air flowing pipe ever made but as part of the complete system my straight peice would hurt overall flow because I wasn't considering before or after it and what I would have to deal with after it. Flow numbers on heads are done on a bench, real flow numbers should be done as a whole from the air filter to the exhaust tip and how the complete system works together, I feel like there is so much more that could be done to help the overall picture if engineers would think this way. As a team I could have on paper the greatest QB in NFL but if i didn't consider the receivers I have in place then the QB isn't really that important anymore or if the QB doesn't care about the overall team then his position is no longer important as the paper shows

[@JustMoparJoe]

It’s true. The combination has to be right. The Edelbrocks will be optimal for my engine when done. The engine might actually make an engine dyno!

[@rowdyreviews6530]

@@JustMoparJoe engine Dyno, you didn't come from the factory with one you sit on lol!?!?! The engine Dyno would be pretty cool to see, give us all the specs so we can guess the numbers it will pull.

[@1563smb]

awesome video Joe. I wish some of the mfg's would send you some more heads for un-bias comparison, i would love to see how AFR's and Brodix would stand up.

[@JustMoparJoe]

I would love the job of testing parts at the track or dyno. I’m envious of engine masters for sure. But I bet we have just as much fun as weekend racers! Brodix makes excellent heads for bbm. No AFRs yet ☹️

[@robertmagni7201]

Excellent video it’s a shame that shipping company’s charge so much and then abuse your stuff by throwing it around. The trick flow heads are definitely worth the money

[@JustMoparJoe]

You’re right Rob! Thanks buddy

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Great comparison between the two. I like the trick flow better. Excellent vid Joe

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thank you! Mine will be much happier soon enough! I’d appreciate it if you check out my video tomorrow morning. It was fun in the machine shop!

[@BadTreeProductions]

I like the comparison, what is the price difference? That's a hell of a lot of knowledge in one room. Thanks for taking us along brother...

[@JustMoparJoe]

Yea man! My builds should get better with their work on machining and shared knowledge!

[@gregtough9055]

Another great video with some solid information

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Greg! The stock castings have their place too. You’re right about that.

[@318willrun]

EXCELLENT !!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Tim. Glad to share and learn!

[@TheMoparman1978]

Awesome comparison. Would be cool to see an in depth view of the 440 source heads that were mentioned.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Yes sir! You are the second to request that! I will keep an eye peeled for any to pop up.

[@ultimatejay]

440 source is China crap. stop buying that crap stop supporting them!

[@bradfischer1059]

Great video, I ordered my trick flow 240s on a Monday from 440 source and receive them on the following Thursday

[@JustMoparJoe]

Excellent timing!

[@dannyskaggs6587]

Hey Joe on my 1991 Dodge 318 which head should I use it's got the Harley throttle body on it and what is the best cam I'm going to use it for Street and strip

[@tomcox2565]

Trick Flow is what I will be using for my next build. I went with E Street heads because I was over on my budget. I’m not going to be bracket racing, just playing, so it should be fine. Great learning video Joe!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Tom.

[@nelsonquinapallo6389]

Thanks MP nice video very well explained

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@doughelmle6575]

hey joe , that was great ! would you be able to do a comparision between the trick flow and edelbrock small block heads also?

[@JustMoparJoe]

If I can get my hands on both, I’ll do my best! Thanks Doug!

[@wheels-n-tires1846]

Another great vid!! Makes me kinda want some new heads!! But Im so attatched to factory pieces and 'the look', plus the 400 build is so far off... Who knows, maybe after the Dart/Hemi gets movin along, ill consider setting aside those 452s...🤣

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother! More to come always!

[@jerryjordan1448]

Helpful tips very 😎 cool

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@Comet-hn3gm]

Trick Flow, for sure ! I will save my money and wait.

[@JustMoparJoe]

My Edelbrocks will be respectable after Ed finished them. But indeed they took work to get there.

[@Comet-hn3gm]

@@JustMoparJoe The combustion chamber shape is definitely better than the RPM version and the copies out there.

[@JustMoparJoe]

@@Comet-hn3gm I can’t argue with the science. I am a budget guy. Is the extra money worth the improved chamber? I went with Estreets because I’m building a stock stroke 400 with mild roller cam and 10/1 compression. I’ll be around $3,500 from carb to pan.

[@turbomike71]

I really enjoyed this video. I have invested in high dollar forged pistons on my build, and I don't think the Trickflows will fit without major mods

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Michael. A good set of pistons and Balance job will go far!

[@hemi2468]

Great video wonderful information to help out mopar guys in they are in roger ark very close to lr I will check them out

[@JustMoparJoe]

Awesome! You won’t regret it. And they can do stock heads and block work. I have video of my block work coming soon.

[@hemi2468]

@@JustMoparJoe Thanks I can’t wait to see it I am very interested because I am looking for someone to work on my block

[@JonnyMopar]

Most excellent video. Awesome comparison Joe. Looks like Trick Flow for the win. It’s been many years now but when I bought my first set of Eddy RPM’s back when they first came out, BTW were the first affordable aluminum heads, I felt like they added 50 horse to my 440. I’m sure the Trick Flows are a lot more. Enjoyed that video.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Jonny! Mine are unrecognizable now. I will do an update on them when I pick them up. Ed and Wayne have totally transformed them.

[@JonnyMopar]

@@JustMoparJoe Oh, O didn’t see that coming. Nice!

[@seancollins9745]

Trickflow styff is usually top notch btw they probably use a Newen CNC vlave job machine. The debur work is probably done on the cnc as well

[@travisloggains9249]

Joe just curious why you didn’t go with a bigger intake runner for your build? With the available choices from Indy and others.im at that crossroads with my B motor build. Thanks!

[@JustMoparJoe]

It was all down to price for me. My Edelbrocks were around $1350 for the pair. I did have them checked and valve job done, but they were still much less expensive than the trickflows or Indy’s. I also figured with my small cubic inch (mine was 406) I didn’t need max wedge ports.

[@travisloggains9249]

@@JustMoparJoe awesome thank you for the reply. Come on down to Centerville dragway this summer.

[@JustMoparJoe]

@@travisloggains9249 I’ll do my best! I’m building the dyno 440 with the trickflows. I believe he chose them to run a lower profile intake and fit under his flat charger hood.

[@jaceyrondeau8133]

Certainly shows the difference between an entry head vs something a bit more high end. Obviously if budget is not the determining factor the Trick flow heads win. The Edelbrock head is a good deal for a mild street hydraulic build. The cost to rework a stock iron head at the machine shop vs an aluminum alternative is something everyone needs to consider during their build. Nice vid)

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother. These won’t be recognizable when done. I will do an update of all the work they did to them.

[@jts9120]

Hey Mopar Joe I have a question for you. I'm putting cast iron heads on a 408 stroker with ARP head bolts. What should the torque specs be on that?. I keep hearing conflicting stories. Thanks

[@JustMoparJoe]

I would absolutely have to look it up. I usually go off the sheet included with the bolts. It’s usually 10-20lbs more than stock. I’m sorry, but don’t want to steer you wrong. Maybe A viewer can chime in here!

[@jts9120]

@@JustMoparJoe Thanks!

[@georgebonney90]

Thank you sir 👍

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@mikecrawford5331]

Are there any aftermarket heads that allow the use of the original big block iron exhaust

[@JustMoparJoe]

I would think so. These, trickflow 240’s, or the stealth 440 sources should bolt right up.

[@bigblockjalopy]

What chamber volume would I need with aluminum heads to keep or exceed my 10:1 compression in a stock 383? I heard you can't compare chamber volume with aluminum and iron?

[@johnkufeldt3564]

w]ow, never knew there was so much to it. I now know how to talk to a machinist a little more. thanks so much. new sub fromme

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thank you. Check out Ed’s machine on KZbin.

[@traviscassaday7666]

Have you taken a look at the heads available from Promaxx?

[@JustMoparJoe]

I personally have not. Ed may have. If he sees this, he will chime in.

[@traviscassaday7666]

@@JustMoparJoe cool. I have had my eye on them but the price almost seems too good to be true.

[@blownaway4371]

Awesome video

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@matthewklein9225]

Experienced machinists are treasures

[@JustMoparJoe]

Amen. Check out Ed’s channel. Ed’s machine

[@vintagesavoiur]

Awesome video!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother. Check out Ed’s channel, “Ed’s machine”. He’s doing great work and sharing his experience

[@kennethkoontz5036]

Man I learned something.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Good deal 👍🏼

[@crashsroadrunnergarage8612]

I'd like to a comparison of 440 sources heads😀

[@JustMoparJoe]

I may can afford a set soon!

[@crashsroadrunnergarage8612]

@@JustMoparJoe sweet thanks for the reply😅

[@jarmominkkinen9409]

Flow Nr fore The trick flow 240 cnc ported.Have wedge Cnc ported on may 440 cui.The flow 314cfm 0600 lift..

[@JustMoparJoe]

Solid numbers

[@jackmehoffen4359]

are the Eddy E Street Ford,Mopar ,or GM heads CARB certified??

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s one I can’t answer

[@dynodon100]

Remember to use studs in the rocker arm shaft to head as alum will strip out easy.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Yes. The Edelbrocks came with studs for the longer inside bolts.

[@colbyclayton8052]

Is E-street an improvemnet on RPM head?

[@JustMoparJoe]

Yes sir. The combustion chambers are a better heart shaped design

[@smilsmff]

rewatched this and think , if i wanted to go to a good set of aftermarket heads i would splurge on the 270 cnc heads and camshaft to match that Valve spring pressure, i would not buy and have someone port heads for me, unless they can do it for same price difference

[@JustMoparJoe]

Definitely an option. I think the main point of the video was to show that most aftermarket heads still need checked out before bolting them on. I may buy a bare cast set next time and have Ed get valves, springs, and hardware. Then he does final assembly with the valve job.

[@ultimatejay]

What is the difference between trickflo 240 and 270 heads? Is it just the cc's and why would you chose one over the other? For compression?

[@JustMoparJoe]

It’s the volume of the runner. My Edelbrocks have 210 cc runners. They’re a more optimal head for bare bones street, vs full race. The 270 is kind of a full race style head. Works best with a big solid roller cam and lift above .600. That’s not a street cam. The Edelbrocks will work better with the 210 cc runners and a smaller cam, at lower Rpms and lower lift levels. Now if you have a stroker, that kinda shifts. Because of the extra cubic inches, it will puff and blow more air. It inherently makes more torque from the longer stroke, and would like the larger CC heads like a 240.

[@ultimatejay]

@@JustMoparJoe what heads do you recommend for a street/strip 440 with normal stroke? More street driving here and there and occasionally take it to the strip

[@JustMoparJoe]

@@ultimatejay call Bruce Toth. He’s a pro shop that buys the Chinese castings and loads them with good parts. Also does port work and will talk to you about the process. I believe he is $2200 for a set ported and out the door. Less if you don’t want as extensive port work. But they’ll be matched to your cam specs and truly be bolt on ready.

[@ultimatejay]

@@JustMoparJoe - i would rather pay more for non China crap. I don't support the county that is running us into the ground.

[@JustMoparJoe]

@@ultimatejay sadly, it’s our own leadership who is running us into the ground. With every attempt to divide us, tax is, cost us, with plans to build back better. I did try to buy American and got burned with these Edelbrocks. I’m certain they are assembled in the US. But I want you to think back to your high school class. How many guys in that class would you trust with a valve seat? 😂

[@toverturf9097]

The Edelbrock heads were designed when there was no other head’s available for the bb Mopar other than the B1. So making them better was low on the list of must haves.

[@JustMoparJoe]

From my research, the chamber design has changed over the years. I will update how my heads do after the first season of racing.

[@MoparMan-ff8fb]

with these 2 sets of heads you get what you pay for . I still think that the factories could do a better job before the heads leave the factory .

[@JustMoparJoe]

You’re right about that!

[@matthewrich7673]

The difference between the two is the e street is a entry level budget head price and the trick flow cnc is more money you get what you pay for.

[@JustMoparJoe]

That is a difference. At least now you know what your paying for in both cases.

[@walterhatfield8767]

think i would have paid a little more and went with indy heads some roughness on the intake side improves wet flow but then you run into how much is too much

[@JustMoparJoe]

A little more in this case was over $1,000. I believe the Edelbrocks were better than a 440 source head, but with Have some soon to compare to.

[@PotatoeJoe69]

TrickFlow are undoubtedly the best heads for our MOPARs. We dont have many options; Edelbrpcks are good, but the combbustion chamber design of the TrickFlow heads and the port flow numbers crush Edelbrock..

[@JustMoparJoe]

No one can argue that. But the Edelbrocks are $1,000 less. Can they perform better thy much better than stock and still save you that much money? How much better is the trick flow? I’ve got a build and dyno test coming with these 240’s

[@dirtlump]

It's OK to look, measure, lapp valves, V/Spring pressure and rate, inspect guide clrc. and check everything.... in fact you should always do that with anyone's Head. But seeing as how this is a performance build.... why no Flow test comparison on the same Flow Bench ?

[@JustMoparJoe]

Both heads have flow numbers out there. I was looking for quality on each and needed improvements.

[@waynewalleye8458]

FOR THE MONEY I WOULD GO 270'S

[@JustMoparJoe]

I don’t really need that much head for as mild of an engine that I’m building. I’ll know for next time!

[@AB-80X]

I thin it's so odd that no head manufacture can deliver a true ready to run head. I don't care whether it says AFR, TFS, Profiler, Edelbrock or Brodix on the box, there's always something. I've seen some of the worst valveseats on AFR heads.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for sharing! I have heard that before, but haven’t experienced any AFR’s. I wish they made some for Mopars.

[@SteveP-vm1uc]

It's a shame you can't get a ton of time on an engine dyno and put all the different Mopar BB heads on the same engine, (RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX), and show the real differences!! 440 Source will be on the bottom of the ladder...

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Steve. I wish I could. I’m having access to a chassis dyno soon. Hopefully I can get some similar tests there.

[@chrisw5837]

Someone just did a review and flowed a set of 440 source big block Mopar heads. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpqXg42FhteArM0

[@JustMoparJoe]

Looks like I made the better choice with the Edelbrocks. Especially after Ed and Wayne are finished! They are unrecognizable now.

[@tonyadkins-1792]

Dont edelbrock make trick flow?

[@JustMoparJoe]

I’m not sure on that. Maybe provides their bare castings. Have to research more extensively

[@TheProchargedmopar]

👍💪

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@philzellmer6073]

You stated you ordered a set of 270 heads with solid roller springs......and then stated they had too much seat pressure for your hydraulic roller cam.......NO Kidding......all you have to do is order the correct set up in the first place.....NOT Trick Flow's fault.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Trick flow put the wrong springs on. He may have misstated or you may have misheard.

[@HoosierRooster]

I would really like to sing about someone build a Mopar with some heads that actually flow over 300 CFM instead of all this little Street bulshit

[@JustMoparJoe]

I’m not made of Money, Herb. I’d rather do alot with a little, than a little with a lot.

[@markholroyde9412]

LOL none of the US crap is ready to go out of the box...always something you have to rectify Plus you cant buy fk all of it outside the US, supply chain is a fkn train wreck

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s what I figured on with this set. I had planned on getting them stripped apart, new valve job, guides honed, etc. Next time I may start with a bare casting and have Ed build them right the first time.

[@markholroyde9412]

@@JustMoparJoe I flew out to INDY cyl head in the early 90s and carried a full top end set back in hand luggage inc a 1050 Dominator, one of the last set hand ported back then, they were a thing of beauty, the whole kit was. I had a '64 Valiant with a stock bore and stroke 440, with Crower billet rods, (Crower thought I was nuts ordering stock length 440 NASCAR spec rods LOL) with Venolia pistons in it, , it went 10.08 n/a @3300lb Im looking at a set of those trick Flows as I still have my '68 Roadrunner here in the UK which I have owned for the last 38years but getting stuff over here these days is a fkn nightmare, I would prob have to pay around $9K for that lot now in your money. Regards, UK

[@randallburgess6393]

What about 273 mopar trick flow vs Edelbrock performer heads. Which gives more power on the 273? Does one flow better etc

[@JustMoparJoe]

With the small bore of the 273,I would look at the valve spacing and sizes. The intake valves maybe shrouded heavily into the cylinder walls when they open. This would be a good question for “Ed’s machine”.