Concerning Hobbits

[@HeelvsBabyface]

One REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE to rule them all.

[@rahn45]

Alas poor Az... There is no scissoring here, but there is a lot of the gay!

[@nodiggity9472]

@@rahn45 I think Eowyn defo had some scissory aspects to her character.

[@k96man]

There are way more than just one.... Unfortunately

[@christophebedouret9813]

This woman probably thinks "Gollum!" is the noise Sam makes when he is shocking on Frodo's "sting"...

[@gmajor1273]

Big fan of HeelvsBabyface.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

"Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love, but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros, betray the fact that they have never had a friend." -C.S. Lewis.

[@Ahabite]

Well chosen!

[@hamonryechinaski180]

Great quote! Thanks

[@piotrd.4850]

I think they both had Palantir or something.

[@xianartman]

Appropriate to have a quote from JRRT’s friend and writing buddy.

[@dunringill1747]

The perfect quote here.

[@Sousabird]

Remember when Sam and Frodo think they're going to die and Sam, unprompted tells Frodo he wished he'd married Rosie? Totally what gay men do. I think Tolkien's friend CS Lewis said it best. It's remarkably immature for people to assume that any close friends must be sexually charged.

[@bemotivated8443]

CS Lewis was a good man

[@endless3cho]

@@bemotivated8443 indeed.

[@GreatHornedCynic]

Good way of putting it

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

Possibly the single most relatable thing short of some young man saying "mama" when his life flashes before his eyes.

[@samuelhunter4631]

Word

[@thatHARVguy]

Dean: "They do know we're brothers right?" Sam: "Doesn't seem to matter." Supernatural S4E18

[@darthwolfX2]

I'm a little lost here

[@newtpondskipper]

Underrated comment.

[@mysticloverfairy1]

@@darthwolfX2 It's from an episode of Supernatural where Sam and Dean find out that there's fanfiction written about them and people ship Sam and Dean despite them being brothers .

[@HisRoyalMajestyKingofWeedshire]

Gimli: “Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with an Elf.” Legolas: “What about fighting side by side with a friend?” Idiots: “U R Gae.”

[@iradarthaggie2195]

Woke Tolkien Society: What are you, his lover? Sam: No, his gardener.

[@salomaonplanetsaturn674]

They will say Frodo is elitist person with housekeeper and servant. "Break patriarch rule " - woke middle class students 👏

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@sparking023]

What concerns me is that it only opens up for even more questionable kinky shit. Yes, I'm kink shaming you, the BDSM enthusiast. You can do that spanking and dom/sub play all you want and if everyone consents that's cool, but it is still *weird as hell*

[@TheGreenTaco999]

@@sparking023 imagine kinkshaming and not realizing how many kinky people don't want you to stop ;). Also Imagine kinky people not thinking of it as weird themselves, lmao

[@T3nch1]

Friendly reminder: *If Tolkien didn't explicitly write it, then it's not canon and can be safely ignored.* Second friendly reminder: The Fellowship of the Ring *is a FRATERNITY.* Men CAN have close personal relationships with each other without any desire to spit shine each other's orifices.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

And this os why now authors must preemptively gatekeep the activists.

[@tobiasthesecond5605]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo "Activists" aren't people, but robots made of meat.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@tobiasthesecond5605 I agree.

[@AllardRT]

@TheProphetOfHate I think he meant "fraternity" in broader terms, not the US college fraternities specifically.

[@daivahataka]

I believe the marines say "mud is thicker than blood" so the idea that a group that go on a grand quest, against the supreme evil and fight many massive battles, losing some of their group along the way, would form a close bond should not be that hard to fathom. Do these people think the trenches of WWII were one big gay orgy? 🤦‍♂️

[@Twightwee]

I'm an actual gay man. Stuff like this is so irritating and weird. It is both fetishistic and misandrist to think to men can't care for each other deeply as friends. It also doesn't escape my notice that it is always women who are mad the two guy friends aren't screwing. Brotherly love is a thing.

[@davidwilliams5749]

#Truth

[@sebastianriemer1777]

I'm Straight as shit and I still believe that true, unconditional love only exist between men. 👥

[@centipede167]

"fetishistic" Exactly. It's a fetish.

[@petis1976]

Chris is reading way too deep into shit.

[@petis1976]

@@Chris-vs6ll Dude you're delusional. Even Ian said there was no sex in Middle Earth a decade ago. Let it go and have a fine Navy Day.

[@fmc291]

As a gay man, THANK YOU!!!!! I’m so sick of this making straight characters gay, or men who have a bond are lovers, or that two gay men can only be lovers. THANK YOU AGAIN!!!!!!

[@alexfriedman918]

Yes, it’s not just the denial of same sex friendships that’s infuriating. It’s the often heard Twitter mob assumption that 2 gay men or 2 lesbians cannot be friends without banging! To be fair, I’ve also always been annoyed by people who claimed that a man and a woman cannot be “just” friends…

[@johnglue1744]

Funny how these types of “journalists” act like the stereotypical meat heads of the 80s that would call every other man gay that showed friendship towards another lol.

[@cainabel6356]

Why can't these media organizations just go out businesses like other bad business would? How are they staying open?

[@derpherp1810]

@@cainabel6356 One word, power.

[@glennwwicks]

Exactly! It's the same kind of prejudice and judgment, except wearing a politically correct mask. A wolf in sheeps clothing is still a wolf!

[@UelCarter]

For years: "it's a shame guys can't be honest with their feelings. they can't cry in public or show affection towards other males." Now this.

[@TeamOneDay]

"Guys can be emotional and affectionate." *Does exactly that.* "Yeah he's gay."

[@Launchpad05]

I remember a TBS promo for 'Lord Of The Rings' that uses Atlantic Star's 'Secret Lover' in the background. Proof that people in the media don't understand Tolkien's writing, and characterizations.

[@Gotz_the_iron_hand]

It was always a trap. They want you to show weakness so they can attack you. It's the constant mo of the left.

[@aredjayc2858]

Have Male friends, you're gay Have only Female friends, you're a horndog You can't win

[@dbsommers1]

@@aredjayc2858 And now you've figured out how they rigged the game.

[@bruhverlybruh4012]

Men can't have anything these days. Not even, god forbid, friends.

[@vespenegas261]

Come on now. I wouldn't take them rеtаrded сunts seriously unless it was enforced by law... Oh wait...

[@elgatochurro]

Men, living platonically with other men, is good for their mental and physical health apparently... But was called misogyny because the women were shown to cause stress and damage mental and physical health

[@vespenegas261]

@@elgatochurro Ah yes. That ISS insident.

[@elgatochurro]

@@vespenegas261 was hilarious, and insightful

[@NRPax]

That's because friends make men happy. That's why they want it destroyed.

[@Megatron_95]

Can these people realize that dudes can be bros? Not everything needs to be in a relationship. And Sam was married to Rose, a female hobbit

[@bemotivated8443]

There’s a difference between being close friends and gay

[@sertorrhenclegane]

I think romance would be the better word. A friendship is a relationship, just a platonic one.

[@devinthompson7143]

@@sertorrhenclegane id say they are almost brothers due to how close they are

[@viscountrainbows6452]

And conversely that women can dress a little more on the "manly" side and still be straight and like being women?

[@jonathonfrazier6622]

@LTNetjak Maybe. But Bilbo remained a bachelor as well.

[@SG-js2qn]

Shippers typically don't understand friendship. They confuse every friendship with a sexual relationship. This is probably a consequence of something going wrong psychologically, kind of like how some people don't feel shame, and some find empathy difficult to attain. In this case, the assumption is that every friendship is a concealed sexual interest, because these people don't have a concept of friendship. They are blind to friendship, they can't see it. As a side note, maybe Freud had this type of characteristic, and that's why he believed that sexual interest was the basis of most relationships.

[@PolarizedMechs]

The fanatic ones are lonely, desperately so. They want to believe that someday, someone will be like that for them. You can tell these people from the casual shippers who just get a laugh out of it--they're the ones who go utterly berserk if you dare suggest that Ruby and Weiss are just good friends, or Sesshoumaru wouldn't give Kagome the time of day.

[@enigmaodell6806]

"Someone who can only see friendship as a disguise or elaboration of Eros reveal to the world they have never had a friend."- C.S. Lewis

[@mgh7634]

Most shippers are just memeing or they're desperately lonely/horny/immature teenagers who are imposing their urges and frustrations on whatever fiction they like involving a couple of characters they find attractive and think would look good together. Doesn't even have to be a couple of friends. They can be bitter enemies who legitimately hate each other, or it can literally be a parent and child, and shippers will twist it to be some kind of weird romance. Been around since the early days of fanfiction.net with all the Cloud/Sephiroth and Kain/Raziel fics. Look, I can get behind an odd pairing, but good lord it's got to at least make sense for the characters involved and be supported or at least not discouraged by the fiction in question. Sam and Frodo are not, have never, and will never be a thing, no matter how much twisting one tries to do. To force it is to literally change both characters into something they're not, and at that point, you may as well just be writing your own characters. If I'm in some fanfiction-reading mood, I certainly am not going to feel compelled to even give such a fic a chance because right away, you're asking I bend my suspension of disbelief to breaking before I've even started. Unless I'm looking for deliberately absurd parody.

[@SG-js2qn]

@@mgh7634 Fanfic and shipping was around back when people used typewriters and pens. It's not new. Fantasizing is fine, it's creative, and people naturally "play house" with different characters, like imagining Wonder Woman with Superman instead of Lois Lane, and all of that is fine. But my observation is that some people are addicted to shipping. It's how they see the world. Shipping is arousing for them, and they are not able to understand friendship. They honestly believe the core of every "friendship" is a frustrated, unexpressed, romantic relationship. And wouldn't it be better if the two friends just admitted they are a couple? I don't mean to put people down, or put people in a box. Some shipping is natural and fine. But there are some different psychologies out there that are more delusional. Whether they are caused by traumas or genetics or whatever, I don't know. People are FAR more alike than different, but there ARE differences.

[@mr_indie_fan]

Luca, turning red and my hero academia are three really good examples of them thinking characters are gay and trying to force it. (Even when there not) momo and jirou arent a couple there just friends. The alphabet mafia needs to get over this stupid shit.

[@leandronc]

Our society is addicted to sex. That's why people see it everywhere, and think romantic love is somehow a more elevated form of love than others (which is why to suggest people should curb their sexual impulses is seen as such a cruelty). As Jesus said: "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends."

[@putridfetidini5468]

I don't think so. I think our society, at least in recent years, is addicted to misinterpretation.

[@PolarizedMechs]

@@putridfetidini5468 You're both right.

[@leandronc]

@@putridfetidini5468 I get what you mean, and I 100% agree, but misinterpretation always serves a purpose. People have an agenda, then they try to fit the facts to it. Any way you look at it, it's appalling.

[@Kekoapono]

Numerous pride parades have demonstrated that people are more interested in the sexual side of a relationship than the romantic one; that “love is love” isn’t enough. They want their sexual activities and kinks to be on display without negative consequences. Furthermore, more and more people are conflating love with sex and vice versa. Western society is definitely addicted to sex, but that’s also been the case for a long, long time. I would argue, however, that it’s been getting worse ever since the “alphabet” people got more attention.

[@Nanayahashira]

@@sardonicspartan9343 it’s not about sex, yet sex is placed every damn where. Sexual deviancy is not a thing huh? It’s definitely not a cancer in the culture. Sure.

[@flameofthewest6758]

"THOSE WHO CANNOT conceive of friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a friend." -C.S. Lewis

[@sigmacademy]

So in short, that's just plain grooming? :/

[@siegfriedarmory6271]

That is unironically one of the most savage quotes of all time.

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

This quote makes me feel bad for Molly :( I wonder if she has any close male friends!

[@trevorp8124]

LGBT writers: I wish people would stop trying to portray us as hypersexual nymphomaniacs Also LGBT writers: Ok so here's my dissertation on why every instance to ever occur of 2 men making physical contact means they were banging

[@seanp8220]

I always thought the escape from the balrog at the bridge of Moria needed more bumming.

[@nodiggity9472]

@@seanp8220 And certainly a lot more lube.

[@elirien4264]

Nailed it.

[@ToddKeck98]

They do the same logic with rape. Out of thin air, touching is rape. Mind = Blown

[@elirien4264]

@@ToddKeck98 I know....it's breathtaking to watch.

[@KugelBlitz0]

LotR fans: Brotherhood, friendship, and fraternity Twitter people: B-U-T-T-S-E-X The Greeks have multiple levels of love. However, these people cannot comprehend anything past eros.

[@apieceoftoast768]

black n white thinking; The laziest of human's thinking process.

[@ToddKeck98]

I swear Twitter is so dumb their last 1 IQ point has to be forced to be shared to members of their cabal like in 1960s China.

[@kentonbaird1723]

It's simplistic and animalistic, a physical drive and nothing more.

[@ayrachalarsen4945]

That is an understatement

[@willnorman-bargo]

I like how the greeks think of love.

[@234ne14]

"You remember that awesome movie in the early 2000s about two gay guys on a mountain?" "You mean Lord of the...." "NO Brokeback Mountain! The actual gay movie!!" To think a joke made by edgy teens became the reality to these people....

[@davidschmidt9339]

Excellent

[@Kiyoone]

A story about two cowboys that went to camp... tragic end tho.

[@claricenascimento777]

"Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend." - C.S. Lewis

[@karalarson7552]

There's no such thing as platonic love nowadays. Everything is about sex.

[@georgecisneros5281]

Except sex! Sex is about power.😉

[@daryatislenko4651]

Tell me about. It's hard to enjoy good friendships in stories when every fandom makes it gay. That's why I just read/watch and never search for fanarts.

[@fat_2627]

The Left has created a generation of broken people with no real friends.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@@fat_2627 That might explain the suicide rate.

[@memesarekeem]

@@fat_2627 Arguably, the right has created a generation of hyper-conservatives with no real friends. It's the same difference.

[@Sl4wt3r]

The fact that they interpret the act of a good friend trying to comfort and help a friend who is in the process of slowly losing his mind in a sexual way is downright disturbed. That would be tantamount to pressuring someone not in control of their faculties to sex. Oh wait, to them "it's okay if it's gay"

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@@revolverswitch These might be the kind of people who'd force you down if you befriended them, somehow.

[@MrGrimjaw]

I agree the ring corrupting frodo's mind Sam wanting to screw him in that is disturbing and screwed up

[@jbpiano5313]

"Arent they a cute couple" "They are certanly standing next to each other"

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@grigori7834]

"Standing next to each other is tight"

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

@@grigori7834 References are tight

[@grigori7834]

@@PeterParker-ff7ub Super easy barely a hint of homoeroticism

[@hann.1559]

@@grigori7834 This whole reply thread is pretty TIGHT

[@miguelfortinbras758]

It’s really disturbing how in the name of enlightenment, these people view any friendship between people of the same sex as inherently a mask for sexual desire. If this is how they see all such relationships, I would be nervous to be friends with them. It’s approaching predatory to think anyone who enjoys your company is inherently down to clown.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

I think it's less that and more they just want to see their favorute characters kiss.

[@oilimenoruega7836]

Me, a bi man: "Ah yes, nothing gets my gay juices flowing more than people being emotionally vulnerable with those they trust. Truly, one man cannot have interest in the emotional wellbeing of another -who they are close to- and just be friends. "Hugging"? They must be cuddling. "Forehead kiss"? Oh boy, I guess Frodo missed the mouth. "Crying"? That looks very non-straight to me, straight people don't cry and seek the comfort of friends. What do you mean that's disgustingly reductive and insulting to both gay and straight men? What do you mean that's exactly what a homophobe would think of men that show emotion with honesty? You say that I am creating a bad image for healthy friendships between men of any orientation in the eyes of people of either end of the political spectrum? And that I am using the same logic as anime stans that ship male characters simply because they care for one another? Absurd! All I'm saying is that any man that saves the life of another one *must* be gay, and any other motive they list is either an excuse or a cover up, regardless of the context" Moral of the story: firemen and policemen who take their duty seriously actually want to have a state-wide polygamous relationship. (I don't actually think this last bit is something they believe, I just thought it'd be a good joke) On a more leveled note, I am all for interpreting the story as you wish and I actually really want to see more stories with lgbt characters and couples, I think of that stuff pretty often, and there're obviously things other than sex that tell you that two people are in love. But... this logic... it just makes me uncomfortable. I mean, I literally live in a country where you greet each other with kisses on the cheek and have a custom that involves sitting with friends and drinking from the same "straw", but I doubt every single inhabitant here is non-straight. Also, just to go along with the lgbt interpretation, you gotta love how the author never even alludes to the possibility of Sam being bi and ending up with someone who he loves. Nah fam, the moment you like men you're now gay and any other person you like is actually a form of repression or cover-up. That is literally every movie where the husband of a hetero marriage realizes that he likes men: "Welp, I guess this means that I never actually loved my wife and every time I felt something for a woman never happened. I am now exclusively and excessively gay, liking both sexes while staying with my partner is physically impossible"

[@DefectoDepressoEspresso]

Ah yes, you would think this person doesn't have friends, or any personal relationships to compare this to.

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@SuperSaiyanDate]

That last part of your comment is literally a storyline in "Life in Strange 2". And I mean LITERALLY.

[@SteveSmith-ty8ko]

@@SuperSaiyanDate God. The first one was AWFUL. I couldn’t sit through it. It was incredibly bad.

[@CatacombD]

This reminds me of some stories I've heard of soldiers breaking down and sobbing while being held and comforted by their squadmates. It's not gay to comfort another man, or to let another man comfort you; It is a sign of immense trust and respect that men, who are expected to keep their emotions locked up in a fortress of stoicism, allow themselves to lower their barriers and express grief and insecurity.

[@aredjayc2858]

"Are not an accident" No shit, you're reading into something in order to make it fit your beliefs is no accident

[@bemotivated8443]

As much as people wish it wasn’t so lotr is Christian and will always be

[@harbl99]

Oh dear, is the fanfic section of Tumblr leaking again?

[@joshuapowell6822]

harbl99 Tumblr is no longer the domain of people like that, just as Sauron abandoned the Mirkwood after his ruse as the Necromancer ended. The tumblrites reside in places like Twitter and Reddit now, and corrupted them.

[@aredjayc2858]

@@harbl99 Tumblr imploded spreading it's insanity everywhere

[@wrongway1100]

Kinda religious, isn't it?

[@Steel_Prophet]

"There's at least one novel about a batman and his officer having a romantic relationship" Yeah, and there's at least one book out there that says the sinking of the Titanic was a giant insurance scam by Star-line. Doesn't mean that it was, though.

[@BigBossBernie]

"There's a book/ journal/ story out" is the boomer-version of "but it's on the internet"

[@albussr1589]

I have this Book. Interesting Theory

[@Geomatzen]

I just wish when people said things like "there's at least one book about..." or "it's SO common in literature" that they would actually give an example or two. Less in comments or tweets but if you're taking the time to write something over 500 words at least give me something specific. :P

[@TheCorporateSerf]

@@Geomatzen This is somewhat unrelated to the topic but I've been frustrated by this attitude lately. People always supposedly have tons of examples but they refuse to share any and tell you to just look it up/read a book etc. Look what up, give me some goddamn hints you turkey, you tried to convince me of something but now that I'm genuinely interested in following up on your comment you're going to make me do 90% of the work of convincing myself that your claim was right.. which means I'm not gonna do it.

[@Geomatzen]

@@TheCorporateSerf yeah. I used to listen to Writing Excuses religiously. Then they had an episode toward the end of the 11th season ( I think....it was their Elemental Genre season) and they were doing the Element of "issue" but it was basically just what I expect from Mary Robinette Kowal. At any rate they had a gal on who said that the theme of. "the colonized being better off and appreciating it" (not an exact quote probably but it was close to that) was SO common. But I couldn't think of any books I had read where that was the case off the top of my head and she provided no examples and no one questioned kit. 😐 Really liked that podcast dammit.

[@mrbekong]

kissed my best friend’s forehead when we won a championship game. These ppl are stretching further than elastigirl.

[@EpicLichenut]

I've always felt that Sam and Frodo's bond of friendship, of brotherhood, was deeper and purer than a romantic bond could ever be. Adding that element of sex/attraction cheapens the relationship. Some people are just so obsessed with sex that they cannot conceive of a loving relationship existing without having some underlying sexuality to it.

[@Kirbyderbylolol]

so did you ever get girlfriend?

[@EpicLichenut]

@@Kirbyderbylolol Why, are you offering?😘

[@Kirbyderbylolol]

@EpicLichenut I couldnt stand to cheapen our relationship

[@EpicLichenut]

@@Kirbyderbylolol That wouldn't be an issue, since we don't have a relationship to cheapen. But if you'd prefer the bond of sisterhood, I'm down for that too. We can share clothes!

[@theramentumbleweed2523]

I have met shippers, who say, "Don't take away my fantasies." If you bring up that two guys are not a couple. Honestly, most male on male shipping is done by straight, immature, young girls. If a concept has two men, girls are going to ship them. It's, honestly, childish. "Queer Coding" just means lots of personal projection.

[@Arclite02]

They do have a point, though. If that's the way they like to interpret things, that's perfectly fine. The problem happens when they start trying to force their personal thing onto the actual work in question. Or when someone else decides to shit on their fantasies because that's not the official way it happened. Sadly, that's a distinction that BOTH sides of the debate aren't exactly great at recognizing.

[@dirus3142]

I watched a girl go on a rant about "queer Coding" in cinema. It was one of the first times I've heard the phrase. It was very convincing how much agenda driven projection that phrase represents. One of the examples she used was from a silent film. Two WW1 pilots hiding in a barn holding each other. One was dying, and they were best friends. So obviously that was a secret message to gay people that they were gay and lovers. Just like her first example, Captain Marvel, were Danvers and Rambeau were really lovers. You know, because they were friends and team mates.

[@BigBossBernie]

If there are shippers relishing in their own fanfiction, good for them. But there's a difference between "being accepted" and "demanding recognition" - first I can do, but second I abhor.

[@Kitsunary]

I don't mind shipping as long as they don't push it on anyone. Saying any work of fiction has a canon, underlying relationship that is never referred to or talked about makes no sense. That's just wishful thinking.

[@theramentumbleweed2523]

@@Arclite02 However, their interpretations are almost always sexually charged and 100% wrong, and will never happen in canon. This is why they send hate mail to creators, if their fantasies don't come true. They're convinced their trashy erotic fantasies are already happening. I ran a Supernatural fan community, lol, it was a mistake. Too many of these people are emotionally fragile and broken.

[@rejoyy]

Two guys together: They aren't friends, they are lovers. A guy and a gal together: They aren't lovers, they are friends. Welcome to the wokezone and the friendzone.

[@TeamOneDay]

The second part is a bit too common for me unfortunately.

[@rejoyy]

@@TeamOneDay how to get out of the friendzone: "FLY, YOU FOOLS!"

[@TeamOneDay]

@@rejoyy I have to tell people that as the balrog-I mean friendzone drags me down that chasm.

[@rejoyy]

@@TeamOneDay it's a tough fight and the old man dies but then you are rewarded with being reborn a new man: the white wizard with more power and authority.

[@TeamOneDay]

@@rejoyy "I'm going to make it bros."

[@POIUYTREWQ62]

"I've read tons of straight love stories and thus, I know for a fact that some gay people aren't gay." See how stupid that sounds? Yet even though it is no different from Molly's statement, I would be cancelled if I said it unironically.

[@jaceyking5015]

Sigmund Freud must be smiling from beyond the grave at how these people project "underlying sexual meanings" into everything. I think that one of the most powerful things about Tolkien's works are the relationships within the texts, the strong bonds and some of the greatest examples of healthy masculinity in literature. Projecting sexuality on them like that really blatantly disregards the dignity and honor of true masculinity and friendships.

[@roccoalabasta3129]

Boy, that really hits true. I'm gay and I get misinterpreted all the time when I try to be extra caring or compassionate for friends. I can, at the very least, understand the confusion some people have with Frodo & Samwise's relationship.

[@jailbird1133]

If they are confused, its because they havent had proper role models to show what close friendship is like.

[@justicar5]

@@jailbird1133 and that is a lie. Tolkien was confused because homosexual love was illegal and repressed.

[@Der_Erpel]

Naa you cant really be confused about it since its clear sam marrying Rosie and having 13 children with her.

[@MythosTheSophist]

Now, that's a level of Gatekeeping even Arch would be impressed by.

[@bemotivated8443]

“What can men do against such reckless cringe” “Ride out,ride out and gatekeep with me”

[@NebLleb]

*"YOOOOOOOOOOOOU SHALL NOOOOOOOOOOT PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS!!!!!!"*

[@bemotivated8443]

@@NebLleb hold the line

[@dracofire1621]

Never thought i’d See an arch fan here

[@TeamOneDay]

Not as much gatekeeping as trying to deplatform someone for memes, that stuff is too common.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Characters can't be friends anymore, because desperate people in attempts to canonize their fanfics and porn folder demand they be gay, even if it goes against the author's own words. They're so Delusional, they believe 'Brokeback Hobbits' is a part of the Lord of the Rings Mythos.

[@filipvadas7602]

More like these people are phisically incapable of even imagining pure friendships. To them, people either secretly want to shag or they can barely stand each other. There is no middle ground.

[@elirien4264]

@@hendrikscheepers4144 I'm stealing both!

[@talithakoum3922]

@@hendrikscheepers4144 You win the comment section 😂

[@sigmacademy]

@@filipvadas7602 From what I've seen and heard, they only see the world as themselves, their "allies" (which is about them) and their haters (which is still all about them). They can't see that the rest of us have lives we have to live, jobs that keep us busy for most of the time to pay our bills and put a roof over our heads and food in our bellies, and raising our kids with our families. We simply don't care WHO you sleep with, as long as it's consensual and kids aren't getting hurt. :/

[@alexandru5369]

Yeah deviant art shit needed too stay on deviant art ( it's called deviant for a reason)

[@fiendwoutaface]

Them: showing emotion and connection doesn't make you gay Also them: yup totally gay

[@chrissmith7669]

The bond that develops between Sam and Frodo can best be understood by those who have served. It is that of the commanding officer and his first officer.

[@DustinBarlow8P]

As a Veteran I can vouch for the massive outward flow of emotion directly after an engagement. Men who would come to the realization that they where still alive have broke down and cried, while being held by another man. Nobody thought it was shameful because we all felt the same way. These journalist clowns would never understand it...

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

Thank you for your service, sir.

[@RangerRobin0404]

Fans: "Their friendship is basically Friendship Goals. It's perfect." Weirdos: "It will be.. once it fits our narrative. Seriously.. why is modern media now just taking something great, painting a rainbow colored mustache on it, then being called problematic and something-phobic when we point out the mustache didn't help?

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

LOL, good one, applying that horrible Batwoman dialogue.

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

First they pushed sex into EVERYTHING. Then when that got to be passé, they started putting gay sex into everything. And notice that as they've done that, our standards have fallen lower and lower, from entertainment to products to education. Being preoccupied with sex, be it straight or gay, doesn't help our society ONE BIT. I'm not saying we need to deny our sexual natures, I'm saying that it shouldn't be our FOCUS.

[@KelsonArwhi]

@@sarasunshinemt4444 At this point the only sexual attraction that IS taboo as far as they're concerned (and boy is it ever!) is for straight men to be attracted to beautiful women. Because "duH MaLe GaYzE". Everything else is "natural and beautiful and you're a hateful, bigoted, problematic istaphobe if you don't agree!" And yes, that of course includes straight women eyeing men up like pieces of meat. Because feminism was never about equality. It was rather, like Last of Us part 2, about revenge.

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@daniell1483]

Nobody is thinking "not another Tolkein video"! Keep going, nail these slanderers and liars to the wall. Tolkien isn't here to defend his own works and thoughts, so it falls to fans like yourself to say something. Personally, I find it inspiring that people care so much to defend his work. So, Some Guy, I implore you to continue.

[@xianartman]

Even not knowing elven, I still appreciate the bilingual rants.

[@daniell1483]

@@xianartman I was disappointed to not hear one in this video :(

[@SantaPorter420]

As a Tolkien fan I agree whole heartedly, these idiots need to stop trying to reinvent classic works to fit their BS

[@anonimoalfin]

Well said @DanielLamb, we all implore him to continue. He's work is not only important, became URGENT. From the book, not the movie, Gandalf had this 'desconstruction' trend covered... “Saruman,” [Gandalf] said, “I have heard speeches of this kind before, but only in the mouths of emissaries sent from Mordor to deceive the ignorant. I cannot think that you brought me so far only to weary my ears...”

[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

SJWs: why can't men be open with each other Sam&Frodo: "don't you recognize your Sam" SJWs: they're gay! Hetero men everywhere:

[@hyrumcannon3789]

Exactly

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

@@truthoftheuniverse4179 that clip literally moved me to tears, ty

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

@@quatreraberbawinner2628 habbit are not gay \.cmon ancient time their no gay kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppeyg516h7aVhJY

[@tmpape01]

I’m gay and I think your comments are spot on. It’s actually a sad indictment of contemporary society when we could have “the metrosexual” yet not understand how two men could have a close, non-sexual friendship. It’s like people who want to make historical figures gay because when they visited a friend they slept in the same bed but not taking the time to understand that is just what people did for a big chunk of history. It wasn’t sexual, it was often economic. Keep up the good work.

[@reikolupus136]

They have never had a deep relationship with another person, so they can only relate things to the only thing they understand: Lust.

[@artemprotectron]

When people take bromances too seriously that it turns into omg accept my head canon or you're a homophobe is why people are getting tired of this woke crap being pushed to it. We are not bigots because we want the story to remain accurate to the original works.

[@zenvariety9383]

It's also why people are getting turned off by LGBT stuff. Soon there will be demands to make gay marriage illegal. Can't people see that platonic relationships are a thing.

[@viscountrainbows6452]

The bromance started as a little meme/in-joke but in 2021, jokes are now Real. What was silly or just a slashfic yesterday, is today's Critical Theory

[@Shiirow]

which is why I hate the term bromance, its just making this whole shit worse by using the word romance when describing the relationship between two men.

[@zenvariety9383]

@@Shiirow don't get me started on the term womance. It's the same thing as a bromance except it depicts two women as very close friends. I just want every SJW and Marxist to be purged. The world has suffered enough of their propaganda and porn already.

[@viscountrainbows6452]

@@zenvariety9383 "womance" sounds like how a 5 year old would say "romance" How apropos for them.

[@paryanindoeur]

I heard this same "gay" theory from a lesbian soon after the movies came out. Like I said then, she is missing the class-based dynamic between an English country gentleman and his working-class compatriot. It's the social system that existed in the late-Victorian through the Edwardian Ages. It's an easy, comfortable stability. Men are not overly masculine. They don't need to be. The subordinate does not envy his employer, nor does the employer need to 'lord' over his subordinate. The term "My love" is uttered easily, as Smeagol does at least once (to his alter-ego). Seeing them as gay is merely the projection of a corrupted, overly sexualized culture, by someone who _wants_ to see it there.

[@princeblackelf4265]

This is so fucking infuriating, they want to twist one of the most endearing and sweetest platonic friendships. It's one of the best examples of two male friends allowed to openly love each other whilst it NOT being a homosexual implication. I am so glad you brought up the fact that this poisons straight men from being able to have emotional maturity out of fear of being labeled as gay, stunting men and making us all worse for it.

[@justicar5]

only if you are some how scared of people thinking you might be gay.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

@@mattshaw4016 dude...that was so disrespectful. Some do sure but don't generalize. And I don't mind your ship honestly as long as you don't shove it down other people's throat. Who am I take someone's enjoyment as long as they don't do any harm.

[@mattshaw4016]

@@berilsevvalbekret772 pay attention now to the word "most"

[@abonny]

@@berilsevvalbekret772 That's not generalizing. With people like you, everyone has to be SUPER careful to use certain words in their sentences to not be misunderstood or misinterpreted. I fucking hate this nonsense. You have to go over your sentences 5-6 times with a comb... did I word this right? Could anyone be insulted by this? Did I make it vague enough so that some people won't feel like I'm talking about them? Can someone twist my words to make me sound racist or sexist? He said "most". Sure, he could have said "some" or "many"... but no matter what, he didn't say "all", so we all understand what he meant.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

@@abonny and you defend him why? I don't like generalization that's it.

[@BarkingCur]

Just about everyone I met who see Sam and Frodo's relationship as homosexual never served in the military. The relationship J.R.R. Tolkien was illustrating was one anyone who has served, particularly in combat, understands. It is when your teammates become closer than brothers due to the extreme circumstances all of you have been through together. You have experienced things few others understand, relied on each other when your lives were on the line. This creates a bond few others will ever experience. It is not sexual. It is the support of fellow soldiers who learn from facing death how fragile life is.

[@Bezzell_Rocket]

Narcissists' can't imagine anyone else thinking, feeling or seeing the world differently than they do. Don't push your perversions onto others, it's ignorant and cruel.

[@Jackthat1]

SAM LITERALLY GETS MARRIED TO A WOMAN AT THE END OF THE MOVIES!!!

[@jamesneese7663]

no....he was just doing that to cover for his "real" feelings. Never let story or history get in the way of an agenda.....!

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

So... he started a harem? (just a joke, by the way) Though he and Rosie did have enough kids to make a run at qualifying anyway. (One is an heir; two for the spare... anything more than three, doesn't make a bush grown beard)

[@langbo9999]

Sam become a brave man and a good husband.

[@jamesneese7663]

this all shouldnt be surprising considering the writer is the spouse to the one who rebooted She Ra. It's pretty obvious this is intentional to undermine straight/normal relationships and "stick it" to guys and The Patriarchy. You think this writer would ever tolerate suggestion there was sexual attraction between say Wonder Woman and underage sidekick teen titan Donna Troy? Or can two women just fight crime and have normal lives...?

[@Soulbone3]

Bruh Sam got married and had enough kids to make a baseball team, ain't no way that man's gay.

[@ChambersofMyHeart]

"Every story isn't about you and every story doesn't include you." Damn freakin straight. I'm stealing that quote by the way.

[@brandenjenkins9479]

People can’t tell the difference between a bromance and a romance anymore, just look at the fandom for Luca (Disney+ animated movie)

[@theabsolutechadlad5457]

exactly, those people are delusional

[@zeldaprincessgirl100]

I was in one video of it, one person was upset cuz others were saying how the creator said it was not romantic and that they should leave if they didn't like how Luca and Alberto are interpreted as gay, that people should let the gay community to have that one. (The comment was a bit long) A lot of other comments were saying how it was gay, while others were saying it's only friendship, bromance 🤷‍♀️ I find shipping in general annoying, people ship way too quickly lol

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@TitaniumSeraph]

Frodo and Sam went through a horrible, traumatic experience. Of COURSE they'd be close. Just like all men at war are. You can be close and male without it being sexual. I love all your LOTR videos. Someone needs to be on the front line!

[@deserthawk0194]

Frodo and Sam were so attracted to each other that the first thing Sam did when he got back was make a move on Rosie and marry her.

[@ShadowWingTronix]

This is the group that insists Bert and Ernie are gay simply because they're roommates and best friends, despite the Sesame Street producers stating they aren't a couple. If they can do that to a show to teach preschoolers basic letter and number skills they definitely don't care about misreading stuff for adults.

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[@loosemeatsamich3689]

For a bunch of liars, they sure do like to use the word “truth” a lot.

[@lpsoldin3162]

Welcome to Marxism. Doing anything they can to twist History and The Lexicon to disarm and control you.

[@KelsonArwhi]

They do but they pervert it beyond recognition with that "speaking *my* truth" BS, which is a fancy way of saying your opinion counts as fact because you want it to. UNLESS of course spreaking "your truth" involves ungood wrongthink. Then you must be bound, gagged and thrown in a river (digitally of course...for now).

[@evanremillard5640]

Remember, it is "their truth". Its a lie that we have to recognize and celebrate.

[@lpsoldin3162]

@@KelsonArwhi Remember, only think Doubleplus Good thoughts. ...or else.

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@MoriMemento117]

"... so far superior to myself." The humility and grace of this man is astounding.

[@suburbanbanshee]

It's pretty common for officers in war to wonder, "Where do we get such men?" Of course, it's also pretty common for people to see the other side, the bad side of people, but Tolkien was looking for the good side in that.

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[@Graeystone]

Frodo saw the rift he caused between himself, Sam, and Rose. Sam tried to be the Servant to Frodo while being the Husband to Rose. Frodo knew it was wrong because Sam could not have a good life while being conflicted like that. It was one of the reasons why Frodo chose to Sail West on top of his old injuries and possible Shell Shock starting to affect him in a bad way.

[@michelelyons9410]

It always impresses me how you hit the nail on the head in your videos. It infuriates me how they always seem to try to sully the friendship between the hobbits, not just of Frodo and Samwise, but also of Merry and Pippin. Seriously, how many of your friends would be willing to escape in secret with you, leaving their homes and families behind, and set off across the world to face war, hardship and death, because they were your friends and you needed them? Guess what----I don't know a single person in my life who would do that!! the story of those friendships were epic, and deserve to be part of our history and consciousness. Together Sam and Frodo resisted and fought the One Ring, the most powerful weapon and magical artifact of Middle Earth. And Merry and Pippin were the cause of the Ents going to war against Isengard, bringing down Sauruman, when no one else could. It seriously pisses me off that today people seem to have this warped idea that men cannot form close friendships unless there is sex involved. That is pure BS! Friendship and brotherhood has been a pillar of literature since time began. Remember Kipling's "Thousandth Man"? But today a man or boy cannot form a close friendship with another male without being considered gay. And that is a dammed unhealthy state of mind. Small wonder that so many young people are so confused about their sexuality today---they never get a chance to figure things out for themselves, because so many people keep sticking their noses in where they are not wanted. It keeps boys and men from forming friendships, friendships that would help them through good times and hard times, through their lives. Frankly, I think that people who read sex into every single human interaction are sick in their heads.

[@theraising_4733]

I am a Muslim middle eastern male. And I have always loved how Peter Jackson depicted the the easterlings in the lord of the rings. Altough they were the bad guys, they still were depicted as a force with power and dominance. So really I could care less about these critics. And also, Tolkien described them (the Easterlings) in such a manner which is majestic and powerful. The man didn’t have any ill intent.

[@TallisKeeton]

you are right :) And actualy the southern and eastern tribes who fought for Sauron in the book and in the movie were mostly falsely manipulated and enslaved by magic to serve him. And what Faramir tells the hobbits in the Two Towers movie - about the young warrior who died in the battle with Faramir's rangers - are stright from the book inner reflexions of Sam who thinks smt along the line - was he truely evil person or just someone's lies forced him to travel from his home to conquer? After the war Aragorn freed all the war hostages from the armies of Harad and Umbar who were free to return to homes or to chose to stay as free men. And at last made alliances with them.

[@lightning116]

Alexa: define projection. This failed attempt at trying to have a gay fanfiction to appeal to whatever sick fantasy this lady has definitely counts as projection and no one is having it. Not even the people who aren't Lord Of The Rings fans.

[@hastur-thekinginyellow8115]

"lady". I think the appendage hanging between "her" legs protests this label.

[@GeneralProfessor]

'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.' - SIgmund Freud Unfortunately some people are simply obsessed and their obsessions have become pathological. Show them cards from the Rorschach test and they'll see the object of their obsession in all of them.

[@creepyreflection8072]

Honestly its so refreshing to hear someone say its ok for straight male friends to cuddle up or get close in general. With all the hypersexuals projecting their horniness on every character they can find is really tiring.

[@Kekoapono]

By this article alone, I get the impression that Molly Ostertag doesn’t quite understand the kind of love shared between Frodo and Sam. It’s a shame that English doesn’t have as many words for love as Ancient Greek did (or still does, I’m not sure), because Frodo and Sam’s love doesn’t have even a diluted hint of romantic or sexual feelings. Their love transcends romance and sex. Molly doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend the idea of intense love that’s devoid of romance/sex. It’s indeed sad that society at large has conflated love and sex and can no longer remember that such things are not mutually inclusive. Molly is entirely allowed to interpret Tolkien’s work in her own way, but she has failed to provide evidence that her interpretations are results of Tolkien’s intentions, and as such, she cannot make any successful claims about his intentions surrounding Frodo and Sam’s friendship. She’s fabricating fan fiction, and she isn’t doing a good job at it, either.

[@rifflerunderhill7006]

The idea that Tolkien was anything less than blatant in his writing just exposes those who aren't really interested in the man and his works, but the popularity he has garnered.

[@nobodyshome6792]

Proves they are fans in name only.

[@KelsonArwhi]

They got so used to painting rainbows on everything, I guess they figured Tolkien's coattails were fair game.

[@sigmacademy]

Same goes for pretty much every other major and popular franchise. They don't care anything about any franchises except what they can inject into it or change about it. And when we call them out (rightly) as fake fans, they get p***y about it. You accept a franchise or brand with warts and all - that's what makes you a fan of it. You don't have to blindly accept everything as gospel, but you need to have a love for the story and the characters, even if you disagree with the other fans on pretty much everything else (heck, fandoms are BUILT on different perspectives). If you don't, you're just using that brand for personal benefit (or profit) and therefore, you're just a pirate, not a fan. Heck, even internet pirates have more honor, because at least they pirate the stuff they love and care about (and usually don't have the means or finance to access those products in a legal manner), and ignore the stuff they don't like or disagree with. :/

[@PanzerShrek94]

JSG:"I know what you thinking.Another lord of the rings video?" nope my man.these are my favorite kinds of your videos.more the merrier.

[@DeetotheDubs]

Same. His encyclopedic knowledge of the lore makes it very satisfying when it is weaponized against stupidity.

[@bogey780]

The reason why it's nice to watch his videos is because Tolkein has become so pedestrian that midwits are comfortable talking authoritatively on his work. While JSG actually knows a lot of his work and better yet, understands it. That makes his videos a very welcome shelter of sanity.

[@Superbossyearsago]

Yesterday I just ordered myself the lord of the rings extended edition box set because I'm scared of Amazon editing the versions.

[@dbsommers1]

Hard copies of what actually happen are one of the bastions against rewriting of history. Anything worth owning, I get a hard copy of.

[@elirien4264]

@@dbsommers1 I have the books and a box set from when the films first came out, so no editing.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

One of the things that is dangerous about this narrative is that as you said, it teaches men and young boys that if they do these things, they’ll be perceived as gay. And that’s dangerous too because this deep bond of friendship that Frodo and Sam have is incredibly beautiful. All the things that they do to showcase that deep bond of friendship is again, beautiful. I wish more shows and books showcased this kind of bond more. It’s disappointing that more people nowadays see it as being romantic when it’s not. It’s one of the greatest friendships in literature and nothing else.

[@kylesmith4173]

As a gay dude, this piss’s me off. They are just friends, there is nothing wrong with them just being friends.

[@theaverageDon]

It's one thing for fan fiction and head canons to exist, it's a totally different story when those in charge of a franchise adopt extreme fan fiction style writings

[@BrownGaijin]

Underrated comment.

[@elirien4264]

I can think of a couple of film makers who made that mistake and turned a lot of their work into nothing but their own fanfic.

[@darthwolfX2]

Agreed and underrated comment.

[@DoctorPhobos]

This is what “Critical Theory” does. It deconstructs and over analyzes a given text until it proves their pre-conceived interpretations.

[@jimbeam2299]

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[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

What is critical theory?

[@Lucrei.]

"Critical theory is an approach to social philosophy that focuses on reflective assessment and critique of society and culture in order to reveal and challenge power structures" As opposed to you know, the useful outlook of critical THINKING "Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment"

[@LordWyatt]

Sauron: *BOW BEFORE ME!* Me: NEVER! (Draws sword) Sauron: *I will destroy the Woke in your world.* Me: What orders from Mordor, My Lord?

[@Whimsy3692]

Fuck, if that's what they'd be doing, I'd shove over the Witch-king himself for his job.

[@secondstarASMR]

Ok but YES -

[@thehammer4607]

Not untrue

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

@@Whimsy3692 You might get run through with a Morgul blade. Which I guess would be sort of like being an intern to the Nazgul, so... yay, you get what you wanted? I guess?

[@kylekatarn5964]

I told one of my friends that I consider a brother that I loved him when he was going through a rough time and nearly wound up in jail. He's married, I'm single and guess what? No buttsechs. We're still close friends and he's doing a lot better now. It is quite possible to be straight and love your friends.

[@lightningpenguin8937]

There are multiple types of love. The woke is trying to erase the one called Friendship.

[@sigmacademy]

Well, they've gone after any and all other BONDS? :/

[@Pulmonox]

This 'Molly' and people like it are so desperate to find justification for their lifestyle choice that it doesn't MATTER how you write a character. If they find they like the property they're going to do everything they can to twist the situation to suit their preferences. Is the character generally non-committal and uninterested in romance? They're repressing their true feelings because society will not accept their gayness and they're afraid to show it. Is the character casual in their friendships with members of the same-sex? They're shy and hesitant but it's so very obvious that if they thought they could get away with it they'd definitely pursue further. Does the character have a close bond with a member of the same sex? It's obvious they love each other why are we even having this conversation? Does the character have (or wish to have) an intimate relationship with a member of the opposite sex? They are clearly just using it as cover to 'hide' their gayness because the world would not accept them for who they truly are. Does this character have a close bond with a member of the opposite sex? The character is clearly gay because no one gets THAT close with a member of the opposite sex without wanting more unless they're genuinely not interested in that aspect because they're gay. Does this character have a casual relationship with members of the opposite sex? Obviously the character is gay or they'd be more interested in pursuing a closer relationship. Is the character a shameless flirt, philanderer, loose, or casual in intimate flings with members of the opposite sex? They're clearly projecting because they're afraid of people finding out that they're gay, which is why they don't have any REAL relationships. You can't win. Mix and match these however you want, but they'll use every amount of eff-ed up logic they can possibly come up with so that they can 'feel better about themselves'. It's ludicrous how far they'll go and no property is safe from these twisted interpretations.

[@DickTator6969]

iv'e seen a video about a guy that said one of the zelda games is a " gay coming of age story"

[@Xarias]

***Sigh***More of the, "They're Gay because I WANT them to be", shit. You know, when I was younger, (and I am 54, so I'm getting up there), and I was one of my few in my group that had a couple of gay friends and my other friends didn't, there were times it was difficult because there were times they didn't seem to take the concept, "I'm straight and we are friends...please stop occasionally asking...still straight and this is getting awkward", so this in the media, PARTICUARLY annoys me when SOME in the gay community get like this. Granted, I know it's not everyone.

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

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[@circedelune]

I once had an online friend come for a week long visit. My sister said “you shouldn’t have her stay at your house. What if she’s gay?” I said, “So? I’m not.” It’s like no one could have a relationship with someone who is gay, unless they are also gay. Hello? People can’t be friends anymore without wanting to play grab and tickle?

[@jordil6152]

Middle Earth was just an innocent place where honour and loyalty held more value than glory holes and casual hook ups.

[@HNav-qb3we]

Men can form brotherhoods so strong that some people can't imagine being real.

[@Nemo-Nihil]

Philia - Affectionate Love. Philia is love without romantic attraction and occurs between friends or family members. I believe that this is the love best displayed between Frodo and Sam.

[@Unknown.NotRegistered]

I sure miss the good old days when gay meant happy.

[@seanp8220]

ironically now it means Unhappy

[@nodiggity9472]

"I'm *not* homosexual, I'm just gay!"

[@astrosquirrel5038]

And the rainbow hadn't been twisted into a gay symbol.

[@flabbergastedpicklerickrol8204]

read this first as "just some guy is concerning hobbits" and had a chuckle lol laughed harder when the video started tho

[@generalstaal7075]

When Gandalf takes a single step into the Shire.

[@sigmacademy]

@@generalstaal7075 Well, Gandalf TOTALLY had a height advantage in the Shire. Then again, with the sole exception of Gimli and the Hobbits, EVERYONE on the Fellowship had a height advantage. I DEMAND a size-appropriate SIZE for Gandalf in the Shire, Mr Filmmaker! Yes, KZbin, this is totally a joke. Why so serious? :P Can we get back to the real questions, now, please? Like why Legolas has such fantastic hair, or the coded language of Gimli telling another person "don't tell the Elf" and what that REALLY means? :P

[@AlexanderEVtrainer]

I knew it was only a matter of time before they came after Frodo and Sam's friendship. JSG, you make as many LOTR videos as you need, I'll never get tired of this fight!

[@Blackness101]

These people have never had a deep authentic friendship, and it shows

[@bhushanharripersad5716]

Everyone in the fellowship had specific jobs, Frodo's was to bear the ring to Mt Doom, with all the temptations and madness that such a task entails. Sam's was to make sure he made it there and back.

[@sigmacademy]

And the rest of the Fellowship was like relay runners, with Frodo as the baton. Each of them got Frodo past a major obstacle, or blocked a threat from derailing his quest to destroy the Ring or destroying his home. Even at the final stand of the forces of Gondor, there was hobbit, female, male, Elf, Dwarf, etc representation, each willing to lay down their lives with their fellow friends and comrades-in-arms. :)

[@devinthompson7143]

Glade to see another video and I dont mind it being LoTR and what no they are best friends I'm sick of friendship being called gay

[@vidmastereon]

"Those who cannot conceive of friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of eros betray the fact that they never had a friend" -CS Lewis

[@neilprice513]

The only "Gay overtones" that I ever saw were from the films and that was just from the jokes and memes generated by their portrayed on screen relationship. Because two blokes can't be very close friends without having sex or a romantic relationship with each other can they? "Blood is thicker than water" never described family, but the extremely close comradery that existed by people who went through and survived war together.

[@stephenlanuto5993]

Reading between the lines...give these people a diner menu and you'll cause an aneurysm.

[@karenhall4645]

Before, during, and after their journey Sam is in love with Rosie Cotton. Sounds like whoever wrote that article was completely ignoring that.

[@duecedajuice2678]

Agreed

[@AlejandroRamirez-rx1py]

Or, the writer is projecting their insecurities or feelings onto a project that displays no connection to what Tolkien ideas were.

[@supercharliegalaxy]

It's what most of these shipping weirdos do

[@AlejandroRamirez-rx1py]

@@supercharliegalaxy Yea, cause they're creatively bankrupt.

[@arkwhite23]

Thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[@CherryCharm2001]

* 2 women that are in love with each other & have been married for 20 years * Society: "They're such good friends!" * 2 men just caring for one another like brothers * Society: gay gay homosexual gay

[@Mausyboi]

Pretty much

[@KindestofWinds]

@@tultsi93 He’s talking from hindsight, as historians frequently sugarcoat real historical queer relationships as “just good friendships”. People nowadays tear through stories searching for a thing that isn’t there.

[@ojyochan]

TRUTH

[@rockyblacksmith]

@@KindestofWinds Problem with queer relationships in history: Most of them (outside of ancient Greece and Rome) have no clear-cut evidence for them, because the individual involved had a vested interest in not making them public. Meanwhile, calling close friends gay was a common way to insult someone all the way back to medival times (and is well documented in certain political feuds). Meaning that in many cases, rumors are well documented, but how much truth they contained (if any) is completely unknown. So for historians, it's not so much a matter of sugarcoating, but rather of not saying more than what the source material can prove. That being said, there were also scholars who tried to twist the evidently gay relationships in many Greek stories to just be platonic friendships, so as to suit the sensibilities of their time.

[@supremeoverlordofnaughtine9778]

I think she got her logic from clerks 2, Randell ranting about LOTR vs Star Wars.

[@AtariDad]

To be honest people were talking about this back then too, I think that's where Kevin Smith got the idea for that bit.

[@SebasTian58323]

Tolkien: writes a fantasy story about good vs evil, friendship and other stuff with inspiration for some of the characters coming from his experience in the army, and clearly shows that they're straight. Freaks who fetishize gayness: man, those two are so gay, why can't everyone else accept that *truth*?

[@johnclarke7626]

The old-fashioned devotion between male friends, mentor and mentored, admirer and hero, must confuse post-modern critics. In "Breaker Morant," when George and Morant walk to their execution, they hold hands for a last moment of human contact and comfort. Other execution victims are said to have embraced those about to kill them, for the same reason. Thank you for your well-reasoned and -researched analysis!

[@jonathonfrazier6622]

Frodo and Samwise relationship is meant to represent brotherly love as understood from a Christian context.

[@elirien4264]

Close.

[@RabuHina]

So me hugging my straight friend means I want to jump in bed with him despite him having a girlfriend and me happy with my partner? These woke idiots are going to make hard for a two guys to have genuine friendships with each out of fear of (insert reason here)

[@ironbaysqiureg4827]

No you see this is when they apply the bi clause saying that well you're actually bi that's why you're with a woman.

[@RabuHina]

@@kirgan1000 They probably never did. Funny enough, I never had chance to form close friendships in the 90s as a young boy due to being bullied and whatnot. Skip forward to around 2009 or so when I met my first love interest (long before I met my current partner). Through my first love interest I met friends of his and I soon began to form close friendships with them that I'm still friends with today (fun fact, even gay men can actually have close friendships with each other without it being sexual). The friend I mentioned in my original post is only a handful of straight friends I have. Mainly because I'm just shy at making new friends even at age 34 xD Edit to correct a minor typo

[@elirien4264]

@@kirgan1000 TBh, I don't think they can. They seem too emotionally stunted to have close relationships. How are they any different from "incels", really?

[@talithakoum3922]

@@elirien4264 There is no difference.

[@RabuHina]

@@tultsi93 Goodness! They may end up saying "Shes such brave woman having (insert comically large number here) girlfriends!" All while you face palm so hard, it's heard even in space 🤣

[@robertl6196]

I've always been amazed by Tolkien's respect for "commoners". That was not common amongst the upper and educated types in the UK back then.

[@coloradospacegeek4226]

Tolkien was educated but he was a commoner experienced with hardship and financial difficulties.

[@andyandreson3989]

No one ever should say “not another LOTR video”. May they get a Nazgul in Bree wake up call if they utter that.

[@carliekween]

Here’s a quote from an 80’s who was asked by some folks if he was gay, and he says, “As previously stated, I am not gay. I just know what it takes to warm the heart of ALL people. I often participate in what I like to call "bromance." I feel that men also like to be treated very well and spend time together sharing in the love and experience that life has to offer. Of course, I do so love to get down with the ladies, but nothing quite matches the wonderful feeling of being with my dear BFF Don Johnson. The countless afternoons I spend brushing his beautiful hair and talking about life are so precious to me. This year, we are going to have a bromantic dinner at Bongo's where my friend is the owner. We will dance and have fun. I have planned to have a special dessert brought to our table with a little something to show Don my desire to be his BFF for life.” This quote is so important and I hope that u guys never forget it.

[@imyerpepper]

I'm always happy to see vids on LOTR and Tolkien. Shows how much respect you have for them, as well as slamming the door on SJWs.