To Adapt A Seuss: The Good, The Bad, and The Loose

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0:00 - Intro
2:00 - Ad
3:13 - Intro Contd.
6:14 - The Good
11:07 - The Loose
12:16 - The Grinch (2000)
18:56 - Horton Hears a Who
28:40 - The Bad/ The Grinch (2018)
41:09 - The Cat in the Hat
51:18 - The Lorax
1:09:17 - Conclusion

[@JustStop]

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[@millieueu]

No

[@Short_insomniac_]

No

[@octoisgay]

champagnepapi

[@crownedshyness9656]

At 7:10, you spoke in rhyme. Nice.

[@pengking9725]

Ok, Unsubscribe

[@MisterJang0]

Illumination: “We decided to not make the Onceler a bad guy because one-dimensional evil characters don’t exist in real life.” Also Illumination: Creates O’Hare, a one-dimensional evil antagonist for the same film.

[@snorp_lord6141]

Also lbr CEOs exist, O Hare isn't really an exaggeration 🤣

[@kimuires]

The original Onceler wasn’t even one dimensional, he was consumed by greed but he *did* feel guilt once the trees were gone by his own hands and made sure to save a seed so someone better could plant it

[@5PctJuice]

Beyond the good points brought up already, sometimes it's okay to have exaggerations, because pure unadulterated evil can be fun to watch. For example, see Palpatine from Return of the Jedi: no backstory, no prior info, just a Scottish man having the time of his life torturing a 20-something in front of his own father. Fiction is, by definition, escapism on some level at all times. You're allowed to be unrealistic in order to make a point. We don't need to know Sauron's life story in order to understand that unchecked greed, corruption, and dishonesty lead to a dark place. Likewise, we don't need Superman to be terribly complex because doing the right thing is generally a good principle to live by.

[@schedark]

@@5PctJuiceok but the Lorax isn’t just escapism, it’s supposed to be the opposite, it’s supposed to show us the real problem of our world that needs to be fixed urgently

[@robbiewalker2831]

@@snorp_lord6141 I'd argue that the O'Hare subplot with Audrey and Ted feel out of place in a Lorax film, because in the original book, the landscape was desolate and forboding; the movie made Thneedville into a sugar-coated paradise. If the film were to go back to square one, they'd remove the O'Hare subplot completely, make the town come to ruin from lack of flora, just make it so that Audrey, Ted, and the rest of the villagers living in a desolate world, and that Ted is getting a tree for Audrey because he wanted to make her happy. Also, by the end, the Once-ler joins Ted in planting the new tree, and even joins in on singing the "Let it Grow" song: "Once-ler's the name, I was like you. Wanting people's dreams come true. But now I see that what we need, is to plant this tiny seed, for Truffula Trees are what everyone needs. Go on Ted, let it Grow!"

[@henryhere]

Fun fact: when jim carrey grinch pulled the sheet out from under the stuff on the table, it was all supposed to come off but he accidentally did the magic trick so he improvised and just knocked all the stuff of hinself.

[@marksmanof117b]

and it actually improves the scene for it.

[@ZorotheGallade]

He really said "It's Grinchin time" and grinched all over that stuff

[@andromeda_is_rad]

If anything he made it better

[@Going4Broke2528]

"Oops, did I accidentally perform a complicated trick" is the single most Jim Carrey thing I have ever heard. That man is a damn treasure.

[@Ramsey276one]

​@@Going4Broke2528when your training pays off, but you weren't supposed to it THIS TIME...

[@colt1903]

I personally don't think giving the Onceler a face is a bad thing. I think they could have done something really powerful with it, and show him becoming more and more Faceless as the movie goes on. In theory, "Biggering" would be the track that plays right before we never actually see his face on screen again, until maybe right at the end. Obviously, they took a great idea like that out back with a shotgun and got rid of it, but still.

[@estrella-om7tu]

There is an animatic where they apply the fact that his face becomes increasingly dark and cannot be seen, we can only see his iconic green gloves like in the original short.

[@dragoniccrab]

That's actually not a bad idea if Illumination had some back bone to keep it as it was

[@colt1903]

@@dragoniccrab The Illumination higher ups, you mean. Let's not generalize. The animators and the actual workers probably don't care or have a say either way.

[@dragoniccrab]

@@colt1903 true

[@NateDogg2888]

“It’s my bloated, misguided film, Mama. I’ll do it”

[@alchemiccolored1907]

honestly, blue sky deserves more credit. the charlie brown adaptation is a fantastic adaptation of the art style, and I remember really liking Horton Hears a Who as a kid. Certainly better than illumination recently...

[@Banana-xk1gs]

I watched 11 out of of 14, the ones i did not watch are: Epic, Spies in Disguise and somehow the Charlie Brown adaptation. All of those movies i watched are okay, if not great (except for Rio 2 and maybe Ferdinand). Blue Sky is great!

[@lizlazmccringe2043]

Ugh I loved Horton Hears a Who, it’s not like super perfect but it’s really fun and I love the characters.

[@masonasaro2118]

wait, Horton hears a who WASN’T illumination?

[@katherynhoward3840]

​@@Banana-xk1gsEpic is pretty good, and Spies in Disguise wasn't too bad. I thought it was gonna be dumb but it wasn't bad. I wanna watch Ferdinand sometime.

[@empressofcreativity]

@@masonasaro2118I’m just as shocked as you are 😅

[@justsomenerd826]

The fact that the longest segment of this video was about the Lorax, a good chunk of it relating to the Onceler, and not a single joke about the Onceler fandom was ever brought up surprises me more than anything.

[@socksthechespin8899]

Fr

[@pitydisease]

ong every review ever does that

[@Beethoven8335]

There's a I Onceler fandom??

[@robloxplayer0003]

​@@Beethoven8335Tumblr sexyman enthusiasts.

[@buddingblossoms]

@@Beethoven8335 there was a onceler fandom so bizarre they made au versions of him and shipped them together calling it "oncest"

[@archiefromuno]

i think the worst part of the grinch from illumination is that they did a better job making the grinch when it was gru, he tormented and attacked strangers for fun but still interacted with the world because he needed basic things like coffee and bank loans.

[@stevepensando2593]

I'm 100% convinced Illumination only adapted The Grinch again so they could make another Despicable Me-like movie, but ultimately missed the point of what made both the original story and the first Despicable Me great

[@billtree52]

They really ran Despicable Me into the ground too

[@screamingcactus1753]

@@stevepensando2593 It seems to me that they forgot where Gru started and accidentally gave the Grinch like three quarters of his character development right off the bat

[@dragoniccrab]

​@@screamingcactus1753sounds about right

[@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome]

But the problem is Gru was actually "evil", while the Grinch was blatantly misunderstood, as I remember it, in this version.

[@zorkyporky]

The Jim Carrey Grinch movie deserves so much praise. I grew up with this film and im so thankful I did. Its been a required part of the christmas season to this day.

[@playgroundchooser]

This is why movies are the best: one of the only movies I've ever walked out of. Super fun to think about how different people can absorb things so differently. It's almost Christmas as I write this, so hope you're enjoying the movie!

[@NikkiBudders]

I didn't grow up with this adaptation but I think it's both extremely creative visually and Jim Carrey's performance is so over the top amusing that it works in a strange way.

[@LegendaryLunacy]

​@@playgroundchooseri love how movies hit different for different people, but I also love how civilized you were about it. You didn't care for the movie, but you acknowledged that to someone else, they could love it. Your response really made my night, you rock dude💜☺️

[@Ranolog]

You deserve all the playgrounds you choose ​@playgroundchooser ❤

[@awesomeferret]

The fact that one needs to ask for clarification about whether or not you are being sarcastic is a testament to the subjective enjoyment of this movie.

[@literalghost]

Someone else has probably already mentioned this, but the most wild part of the Jim Carrey Grinch smile is that IT ISN'T THE MAKEUP. HIS FACE ACTUALLY MAKES THAT SHAPE. There's video out there of him doing it with no makeup and it's like he's made of rubber.

[@zeebo30]

there's a reason he's called the man of a thousand faces

[@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome]

Don't be rude to our man!

[@troin3925]

@@zeebo30 Lon Chaney has that title.

[@zeebo30]

@@troin3925 incorrect. He was a versatile actor but he does not have the extreme range of facial movement and expression that Jim Carrey has, not even close.

[@troin3925]

@@zeebo30 That's not what I meant. I was referring to literally the name, not the meaning.

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

There’s an alternate universe where The Lorax is a rock opera and this film becomes Illumination’s magnum opus.

[@estela654]

what could have been :c

[@PancakeTheKat]

Biggering would’ve made the Lorax so much better, like how bad can I be isnt bad but it just doesnt fit as much

[@corndogbark5915]

I would kill to live there, Biggering is a phenomenal song (and a lot of the other cut ones are good, too). I truly wish Illumination’s Lorax was better. Ik we can’t expect much from them, but just imagine what it could have been

[@mechajay3358]

Kinda wished they went with that concept instead of the one we got

[@MrSkerpentine]

Pink Floyd’s The Lorax

[@_The_Archive_]

Fun Fact: For How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000) ,The Whoville set was built mostly on the backlot of Universal Studios behind the Bates Motel. During a break in filming, Jim Carrey surprised and scared tourists on the Universal Backlot Tour by running out of the hotel wearing a dress and brandishing a knife.

[@Wolfspane]

That's such a Jim Carrey thing to do and I love him even more for it.

[@fritzy8318]

You give no proof but I still believe it because that sounds so much like him that I believe it instantly.

[@no_opinion1065]

Devious little grinch.

[@itsblitz4437]

Also while wearing the Grinch costume.

[@stranger5011]

Classic Jim Carrey W

[@starlette7820]

I love how Max's character in the jim carrey iteration of the grinch was very much the grinch's moral compass. In moments where he would attempt to be apathetic or heartless, max would steer him in the right direction to doing the right thing instead. Like when cindy lou fell in the sorting machine and almost got seriously hurt, he was going to leave her but then max intervened to change the grinch's mind. Max's character despite not being able to talk was great.

[@jamie1602]

It fits with the theory that Max is "trash" from Whoville. Max himself is unwanted and salvaged by The Grinch. They are the same and yet Max has seen good in The Grinch. The Grinch has been a misanthrope even as a child, but had people who loved him and loved him in return. Max can feel that because even The Grinch wouldn't throw him out like someone else did. But this is a theory. Not confirmed. Though it does say of Max's loyalty and yes, the reminder that he is The Grinch's moral compass. They've seen the worst of Who-manity and also seen that things don't have to be so bad... that there can be hope. And things don't have to be perfect, they can be just enough, even for each other. The Grinch (2000) expounds on a lot of hinted concepts that aren't just in the book but are also in the cartoon adaptation and creates a sort of complete product that if you love the book and original cartoon, it feels like things are complete. It's not perfect and nothing is, but it's written with love and faithfulness while understanding that Whoville has to be a functioning society and also cannot be a perfect utopia (cause utopia is a creepy concept honestly).

[@amethysttvgl1601]

The original lorax story actually scared me as a kid. That final word "unless" completely surrounded by the dead world the onceler created was just such a foreboding image to me, and even at like 6 years old the story hit hard, only to give the message to future generations and inspire hope! During the illumination film... I felt nothing. I actually feel the illumination film's existence almost represents a media version of the soulless corporate takeover the film tried to portray better than the movie itself did.

[@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome]

Well fun fact, I've never seen Illumination's version, but I disliked the original Lorax for that exact reason. It didn't compel me, just left me empty.

[@Mary_Rose_Uni]

Finally a reviewer who doesn't hate the Jim Carrey Grinch

[@PigeonLord21]

Amen. It's such a damn fun movie

[@maffe_distroyer]

That is common in that side of the continet? Here in the south half love the grinch of jim carrey , is one of the most see movies in christmas time

[@caramelcandys]

Dude I absolutely love that movie

[@Leothecat2way]

I really like it.

[@bomberman9296]

Jim Carrey Grinch is probably the best version

[@bearsayshet710]

An additional point with how insulting the Illumination Lorax was the massive marketing push. It is kind of sickening honestly how that character was plastered on car ads, Ihop etc. It feels like some kind of nightmare joke where the fucking lorax is used to push an air polluting car.

[@glitchyguru6468]

Especially ironic consdering how the movie itself makes a joke about that, with the Onceler throwing a sweater onto the unwitting Lorax and its twisted into an endorsement

[@koro1655]

how ironic. the lorax being marketed for massive corporations Dr Seuss must've been rolling in his grave

[@jmurray1110]

Kind of like a reverse chumbawumba They let a car company use one of there songs but then turned around and gave the money to a charity specialising in cutting carbon ennisions

[@shirleymaemattthews4862]

And even worse, they shoved POOR DANNY DEVITO into that mess! Not only that, but they repeated it for ads about FRICKIN DISCORD, THE APP! Like, are we not gonna mention how there is some Sketchy, SKETCHY crap going on Discord? (Like, 4Chan is Still MORE than Worse, but Discord is not good either). And they gotta shove ONE OF THE BEST COMEDIANS ever of The 21ST CENTURY into the mess as well?....

[@Ealais76]

@@shirleymaemattthews4862lmao I like how this assumes Danny is a saint, he is not

[@sketchtheparadigmyork1217]

Carreys “The Grinch” was, in one word, iconic. Truly. Visually, the set and costumes fit the books far better in my opinion, while making great additions for story’s sake. And Jim Carrey for my was the first time I was introduced as a kid to his work. For me, he IS the grinch. So much so that I cant see him as anyone else in his other movie roles. Jim Carrey truly transcended the Grinch and solidified his spot in modern pop culture. ALL of the CGI movies are flops for me. It’s too angsty teen for me, and I personally just don’t like how the 2d art translates… Horton Hears A Who however was fine, but I dint like implementing pop songs randomly for no reason

[@SpecialInterestShow]

An often unnoticed fact is also that the Grinch has two moms. Iconic decision.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

@@SpecialInterestShow Closer to having two grandmas, but yes.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

@@WhiteManOnCampus well they adopted him from their doorstep and they never knew who he was intended for, so I think they saw him as a son Man I want one of these remakes to show him reuniting with his moms and having a heartfelt moment about how they all missed each other so much

[@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome]

Ah yes, a ludicrous display of caked-on makeup and picture book character blowups. Sure that's not the nostalgia talking? Not talking about his performance whatsoever, I think he's a beyond phenomenal actor, but are you sure everyone here isn't just saying it's the best because it's had time to wither and die in misery? I don't remember anyone liking that movie when it came out.

[@thatoneguywiththevoice328]

I think the most insulting thing about the changes of the lorax is that it COULD work in a movie runtime without padding if it had GOOD writing This is one of the few Suess stories that has a plot, moral, and something to say! (Not to say that other two stories don't have anything to say, but I mean more in the sense of this one having a much more movie-friendly path)

[@estrella-om7tu]

I had it but the interference of the studio ruined it

[@plugshirt1762]

I mean any movie could be good if it had good writing and pacing lol

[@artomaton776]

@@plugshirt1762the Dr Seuss story about feet couldn’t.

[@boxman7044]

My problem with the Lorax? The demo song “biggering” shows what that movie COULD have been. It could have been amazing and clearly was going to take itself very seriously. Only for the studio to shut that down in order to appeal to kids even though that goes against everything doctor Seuss stood for

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Yeah, it's hard to imagine a movie featuring Biggering be any worse than a 7/10 in the worst case scenario. And it possibly could've been even better.

[@mothgoblin4079]

Also with the added fact that in the book, he does say the word biggering, multiple times

[@dot_lol]

If you want to see a good lorax adaptation, see The Lorax 1972

[@fusionwing4208]

I absolutely love that song to, its phenomenal and does exactly what the original story set out to do, showcase the inherent issues of big corporations and the fact they don't care, even though its still coming from a single character, the message makes it pretty clear its about the corporation just as much as it is about Once-ler himself

[@thebluemoose4878]

I love biggering, because the song starts off withe the oncler rationalizing and ends with him saying he "wont stop biggering" making that conscience desision

[@davidanthonymercado7064]

Easily the best Dr Seuss adaption is Netflix’s Green Eggs and Ham. From the beautiful animation, to the amazing characters, and how faithful it is to Dr Seuss and how it’s even able to stand on its own two feet.

[@anonymouslucario285]

That doesn't count. Green Eggs and Ham has no story so its not an adaptation

[@kingbash6466]

Counting Green Eggs and Ham is hard because while it's a pretty good show in of itself, most of its plot is completely original and deviates from the source material more than any other Seuss adaptation. If the movies' plots were 30% the actual books, then Green Eggs and Ham would be only have 5% that consist of the book.

[@damonlam9145]

⁠@@anonymouslucario285 you realize the whole plot of the original Green Eggs and Ham was Sam persuading Guy to eat Green Eggs and Ham.

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

of course it from the literal shortest book along with being the most simple

[@Doodle1678]

@@kingbash6466but at least it stays very true to Seuss’s style and gives the same message

[@GPS_DS]

One pretty solid adaptation that no one talks about is the Cat in the Hat knows a Lot About That, it’s a PBS Kids show about the Cat taking the two kids on little educational adventures. It’s really cute, fun, somewhat Suessical, but the best part is Martin Short as the Cat, he is AMAZING.

[@Gdayhomie]

Man, you unlocked an ancient memory for me

[@GPS_DS]

@@Gdayhomie Glad I could!

[@imreallybadatnamingthings]

I remember that show!

[@GPS_DS]

@@imreallybadatnamingthings I knew more people did! There are more of us!

[@vantabebs]

WAIT I REMEMBER THAT SHOW TOO!!!!!! my mum STILL recites the cat in the hat's "are you sure you're ready to explore" mantra to this day lol

[@SwiftyFlyer]

If I had a nickel for every time Illumination missed the point of an antagonist-centered Dr. Seuss story, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to make a theatrical film around Yertle the Turtle (you know, the story that's based on the rise of Hitler) and twisted it around to make him the victim who was bullied by the other turtles for being small and that him conquering them was him standing up for himself or something.

[@Gdayhomie]

Don't give Illumination any ideas

[@Doomzdeh]

Please don’t tempt fate. I could legit see this happening, unfortunately.

[@aussiemerican750]

Hey major part of Horton Hears a Who you forgot about was the main message “A person’s a person, no matter how small” and the fact that Jane ends up learning this lesson via the fact that she actually LISTENS TO HER SON. Like throughout the rest of the movie she barely even cares what he has to say and instead just dismisses him as “Just a kid misunderstanding the adults” when he is able to understand everything that’s happening around him and has formed his own opinions on it. And when Rudy actually stands up to her she listens to him for the first time. Just figured I should mention that.

[@sharpsraymeai177]

We’re they given those names in the movie? I thought those names were introduced in Wubbulus Workd of Dr. Seus?

[@aussiemerican750]

@@sharpsraymeai177 I forgot the names so I looked them up, I just remembered the story beats mostly.

[@SUCHMISH]

True... The only time she ever thinks about her son is when making the deal with Vladakof... And even then, she still has to take her time to think about it...

[@waffleauflauf4213]

Yeah I actually unironically love the movie 😅 It just seems like everyone involved had so much fun making it and makes it a fun time to watch.

[@ajohnymous5699]

I haven't seen the movie but that's actually not a bad idea, like back in the day people probably had hoity toity parents but replacing it with a Karen sounds like a solid modern stand in. Someone who says to "think of the children" when they actively silence theirs, wanting them to grow up and be like them to validate them and their way of doing things.

[@Wince_Media]

It's interesting how when the lorax presented "unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothings gonna get better, it's not", it was presented to the onceler, and then the onceler pushed the message onto the kid. It's kind of simmilar how companies say the people who should fix the planet are the consumers/individual, and not them.

[@addex1236]

I mean that's human nature isn't it hell all your doing is passing buck back to them it's almost as its if it's a cycle you blame companies but you still buy the product and don't give me this crap about having too because you don't

[@HydragonofDeath]

Honestly if that was intentional, thats genius writing by Seuss

[@emblemblade9245]

Only difference is that the Onceler, when giving the message, is totally disgraced and out of business, while the companies pushing the message onto consumers are, well, functioning

[@MCLefka]

I completely agree with your take on The Lorax. Not surprising a corporation wouldnt want a character that directly goes against what and who they are. I had zero hope for The Lorax maintaining its message, and was completely vindicated when I watched it with my nieces.

[@ginzoox]

could it be said that the book was a truffula tree and the movie is the thneed made from its corpse to profit?

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@ginzoox how ironic

[@imreallybadatnamingthings]

@@ginzoox I believe it could.

[@blackday1013]

I think the thing I like most about the 2000's Grinch is the ending with Cindy Lou. The Grinch finding the strength to save the sleigh only after he realizes the only girl who had been nice to him was in danger works really well with the movie's theme. I just wish the movie had one or two more scenes with the two to make that relationship more apparent.

[@Pharaohstheif]

One more big problem with Illumination's Lorax film is the speed at which the trees regrow. One of the points the original animation makes is that the Truffula trees take a long time to grow to maturity, which means simply re-planting as you cut down doesn't necessarily work, it takes too long to be profitable. But in the feature film, they grow pretty much instantly, which begs the question why the Once-ler didn't just....start re-planting them? This has always bothered me.

[@whyiamafs]

Oh my gosh - I noticed that too

[@Ben-jl2rh]

GOOD QUESTION

[@Blink-qq3tx]

I know that is a serious mistake But i immediately thought of a crappy response like this one(Read with the goofiest voice you can imagine) "Well, since there's been years since any trees grew there, the ground that so many minerals and stuff the tree grows almost instantly"

[@herowither12354]

..trees take a super long time to grow irl, yet lumberjacks replant them.

[@Pharaohstheif]

@@herowither12354 according to the 1972 special, it takes 10 months for the seed to germinate and then 10 years before the seed is a sapling, and then another 10 years presumably to meet maturity (this line is cut off by coughing from smoke). While some trees in real life do take this long, many do not, and while they are regrowing lumberjacks can cut down other forested areas. This is the only place the truffula trees grow, and the Once-ler is shown to be impatient about his business. My point though, was that the remake breaks its aesop by showing the tree growing too fast, making this Once-ler look dumb for not re-growing them from the start.

[@anidiot4702]

I like how pistachios are more Grinch-like than the actual Grinch in the Illumination movie.

[@RandumYTenjoyer05]

green and salty JUST LIKE MY NU-

[@Dubledom]

​@@RandumYTenjoyer05I really doubt you have nuts, so... Let me see them.😏

[@zeldagameryt4018]

@@RandumYTenjoyer05 *pulls out a giant clock* ITS TIME TO STOP!

[@whyiamafs]

​@@zeldagameryt4018 I almost misread this as 'pulls out my giant glock'...

[@knatred1489]

@@RandumYTenjoyer05 Just Stop

[@cloverx5]

Horton is definitely the best Seuss character for adaptation. He has clear journeys, and incredibly likable and sympathetic personality, and as you said a well-defined world and characters. There’s a reason his stories are the plot of Seussical

[@needee5324]

I'm glad you gave the live action Grinch the credit it deserves. Definitely not a perfect movie, but it has a lot of great qualities to it and I honestly prefer rewatching that version every Christmas for its additions and interpretation of the Grinch narrative.

[@JasontheCartoonFan]

Perhaps the most telling sign of Illumination’s Lorax adaptation deliberately missing the point of the source material is the fact that their portrayal of the title character was used in car commercials. Not for an electric car, or even a hybrid, but a plain old gas guzzler. You know how badly they screwed up when even modern-day Simpsons can make a clever stab at it: “I am the Bore-ax, I speak for the woods,…” [Cue an SUV like the one in the aforementioned commercials] “…but I’ve plastered my likeness on consumer goods.” Homer: “SELL-OUT!” [Proceeds to literally throw the “Bore-ax” in the garbage]

[@stephanniemorin]

Honda commercials, iirc

[@NobodyC13]

@@stephanniemorin Actually it was for the Mazda CX-5.

[@clyelli]

there is literally a point in the film where this exact scenario is criticised, where the Onceler throws the Lorax a thneed and the company makes it seem like thneeds are Lorax-approved. pretty goddamn ironic if you ask me.

[@TheFlinchyDinosaur]

I'm genuinely surprised nobody's tried to adapt Bartholemew and the Oobleck. Its one of Suess's longer works, has a couple named characters, and a surprisingly terrifying premise.

[@HeroBot930]

The closest that we ever got to that was the character of Professor Oobleck from the early seasons of _RWBY._

[@pablogarcia6188]

@@HeroBot930naw you didn’t just bring up rwby into this discussion

[@Freaky144]

Probably because it’s relatively obscure compared to the grinch or the cat in the hat

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

I would watch a Bartholomew Cubbins movie. Though, I still remember having scream-awake nightmares about “Illumination’s The Butter Battle Movie” and calling my friends at 2 in the morning and having them remind me that could never happen.

[@neeedlemouse]

​@@pablogarcia6188 what's wrong with RWBY? (I know nothing about the series)

[@ianbaker8017]

My ranking of the Seuss Movie Adaptations: 1. The Grinch (2000) - Classic Christmas movie and great adaptation 2. The Cat in the Hat (2003) - Insane madness but hilarious at the same time 3. Horton Hears a Who (2007) - A fun animated flick with some silly moments 4. The Grinch (2018) - Bad, bad, bad but nice animation 5. The Lorax (2012) - Truly despicable

[@zeebo30]

same, i unironically love the live action cat in the hat movie. it's absolute off the walls absurdity just really gets me. sure the cat isn't very in character here, he's more of a DEMON OF CHAOS than a loveable trickster, but that's part of why i love it so much. the absolute chaos the cat brings into those kids lives is so fun and hillarious

[@danieltaylor4185]

You hit the nail on the head with Chris Meledandri's take on The Lorax. If this was how they approached the story of The Lorax, then it is no wonder at all how it turned out the way it did. Somehow, a book written in 1971 understands the topic better than the person who seems to have made the creative decisions for the film adaptation in 2012.

[@Xenderman]

I actually think the idea of giving the Onceler a face is and can be interesting, if done *correctly*. Adding a face, and then showing it less and less as the film progresses, until he's built a factory and he's faceless, brings a real sense of fascination, i feel. And not only would it not take away the message and overall theme, I feel like making him more faceless as the movie progresses would make it add onto the story's theme about the Onceler being anybody. It's just that Illumination didn't go that route cause it wasnt marketable and sanitized.

[@estrella-om7tu]

You had better ideas than Illumination

[@NikkiBudders]

I agree, I think it would add an interesting addition of selling his soul/identity to the biggering of the company. He started as a young entrapreneur who hit it big and in doing so sold everything of himself in his apathy, thus becoming a replacable face in the crowd. Having a demanding family might have even given him a stronger motivation as to why he wants to push forward and how he justifies it to himself, but don't make the family comedically evil. Rather have him want to impress them so it is his own choices that motivate him.

[@DarkReaper12]

If you have it that his iconic green cloves are for handling the tuffs and dus part of the company uniform then we could have this brilliant scene of the Lorax having more and more trouble finding the Once'ler among his faceless drones. By the end having no way of telling which is which safe for his "bigger/biggest hat to wear". Have O'Hare be one such faceless drone that was appointed to the position of CEO of the company, trying to pull a Elon Musk as a living company mascot, would also reinforce the uncaring facelessness of corporations. But that wouldn't sit well with investors and advertisers, now would it?

[@eatatjoes6751]

He wasn't a doctor, but they gave him a PhD so he could keep the Dr. in front of his name. Also, I love the Live-Action Grinch because it is the only adaptation where I can see it as a good update - the Whos' commercialism is a lot more insane because commercialism keeps getting worse (YMMV). But in comparison to whatever the fuck the Illumination Grinch was, I'll gladly fight whoever says that one wasn't faithful. The Lorax's story is just fucking sad, because *THE ORIGINAL DEMO SOUNDTRACK* makes up a better film than the one we ultimately got.

[@jmurray1110]

And even then he joked that he would know have to sign as dr. Dr suess

[@icravedeath.1200]

What if the lorax was adapted into an animated film directed by Paul verhonen (idk how to spell his surname).

[@artandstuffproductions3640]

THEY SHOULDA KEPT “BIGGERING” IM SO ANGRY >:(

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

I would totally fund a way to reverse engineer a movie built from that demo soundtrack-I know it’d probably just be an animatic thing like the leaked Popeye movie, but it’d still have more effort than Illumination’s.

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

@@icravedeath.1200 *Paul Verhoeven

[@Arcademan09]

I have my own minor issues with the Jim Carrey Grinch but i CANNOT hate it, I absolutely love it and genuinely think its a great Christmas movie and adaptation.

[@Gdayhomie]

The Carrey version of Grinch is my favorite christmas movie of all time. The film gives me loud, crazy destructive energy but its honestly done well. It has some depth that gives a well message when looked into closely. Also the part of the Grinch's rampage on Whoville is a lot of fun

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Personally the Jim Carrey Grinch is the only Seuss Adaptation I feel is worth it, you can tell a lot of effort was put into the movie from the sets, costumes, makeup and everything else. There's a legit passion behind it and the story, flawed it may be still contains the same essence and message of the original book, hence the reason it's become one of my favorite Christmas films.

[@turnipcrazy4602]

Yeah although if I want to watch a chaotic mess, I love watching the Cat in the Hat film. The pure craziness of it made me laugh so much as a kid, plus I have the astounding products scene memorized in my head, I love that scene.

[@linkingglagoon8254]

Honestly, I was surprised to learn that people didn't like it. I thought it was funny as hell and a good chaotic mess.

[@kingbash6466]

While I did enjoy Jim Carrey's Grinch and even have a guilty pleasure for the Cat in the Hat film, I still brlive that Horton Hears a Who is the closest we've gotten to capturing the spirit of Dr. Seuss since the Chuck Jones Grinch special. Kind of a shame that Blue Sky didn't make more movies based off the books, because they captured the bizarre aesthetic perfectly, even more than either Illumination films.

[@321cheeseman]

Not a film of course, but I feel the Netflix Green Eggs & Ham captures the spirit pretty well, though it can barely be called an adaption.

[@sharpaycutie2]

I agree the design fir the who in Horton were great! so tru the exact look guess had in the books, but you have a point the greed was the MAIN issue while the Lorax film was more so trying to price his parents wrong about his uselessness so we are more sympathetic hence why I think they had to make the Ohare guy.....a more obvious greedy individual

[@LikaLaruku]

When I saw the CGI "Horton Hears A Who" I thought Suess would be rolling in his grave with how far it strayed. I personally hated it, though I think that mostly falls on the condescending voice acting, annoying voices, & dialogue. & yet I somehow hypocritically enjoyed the live action Cat In The Hat, which strayed so far from the source material that it was more of an inspired horror parody.

[@caramelcandys]

⁠@@321cheeseman to be fair a short book that has less than 50 unique words about this one guy getting a grouchy mf to try some good food through a insanely crazy long series of escalating situations leaves a lot to interpretation and adaptation

[@polocatfan]

@@321cheeseman Technically it does go through every single beat of the book in the first season. (The second season being more based on Butter Battle Book.)

[@goatsoup]

youd think illumination wouldve knocked it out of the park considering gru as a character is literally the grinch

[@strikermodel]

You gotta admit, the Lorax did give us one thing. That gem of the antagonist singing "let it die"

[@bornanime3255]

Finally. The Grinch live action being appreciated in the way it should. Ya love to see it.

[@cameronlawson6848]

I genuinely think it's the best Dr. Seuss adaptation (not counting the 2D animations) and even though it isn't a great movie, I have a soft spot for it since I grew up with it and it's production/set design are both impressive, although I feel bad for Jim Carrey. The guy had to wear several pounds of makeup while wearing the Grinch suit... ...EVERY. SINGLE. TAKE.

[@clown-cult96]

The Grinch movies going from a capitalist hellscape with blatant themes of commercialism and racism to “this lovable dork can’t handle these sweet, pure, festive townspeople” should be a case study.

[@youtubeneedstochange4414]

When you put it that way, it really goes to show how much damage Ilumination did to the Grinch.

[@clown-cult96]

@@youtubeneedstochange4414 oh absolutely

[@Macr33se]

Growing up I loved both the old 2d grinch and the Jim Carey one equally and id say even after all these years I still believe that both are great

[@thesabzin]

In Russia, Cat in the Hat movie adaptation is considered a hood classic for many reasons. Mainly, not a single kid back then even knew what is a Dr Seuss, and no one read the original books (not mentioning the adaptations that Dr Seuss had direct creative control over). I don't even think that Grinch live-action was in someone's memory (it was shown on TV, but never got attention it deserves), so with The Cat, we had a completely independent movie without any examples of Dr Seuss "done right". And everyone just loved the sheer bizzareness of it! This uncanny valley in everything (especially Mike Myers himself), pop culture reference galore, gross-outs etc. were just chewed up by us and were not considered weird. Even in case that film wasn't liked, it still veered into the "so bad it's good" territory. The Cat In The Hat is even more memetic within Russia than within America, due to the titular character being a mascot for one of the more visionary people in the local KZbin Poop community, as well as for all the weirdness (not being limited to that baseball bat scene). I always knew it wasn't good, but I just can't force myself to ditch it, it's so charming and nostalgic.

[@JBaum55]

That's a pretty fair take, I think. There's a shitpost-esque quality to the film which, if you look at it not so much in relation to the book but as its own thing, kinda makes it work by itself. It kinda reminds me of the then-recent Josie & the Pussycats movie that took an old band cartoon with wacky adventures and made it into a satire of teen culture and the "rags to riches" band story within a PG-13 flick.

[@Splonton]

It always makes me really upset that the Lorax was held back from the fantastic movie it was going to be just because illumination didn't wanna look bad. The version of the movie that had biggering would have genuinely been fantastic, and I really hope there's a musical or something that gets to maintain the movie's original vision from before it was meddled around with so hard that it barely resembles the old book

[@estela654]

what could have been the movie if it weren't for illumination

[@Splonton]

@@estela654 well that's probably better answered by the concept art and cut songs than by me, but I feel like the bleak tone and message of the original work wouldn't have been lost, and it really could have focused on the consumer aspect of why capitalism is terrible as well as expanding on the original movie's point

[@jacknapier8201]

The more I hear about it the more it seems that the original version that Illumination was going to go with would have made for a good modernization of the story. Between the kid being so consumerist, which would feed into companies like the Once-ler's and Biggering removing the ambiguity that the Once-ler did in fact realize the impact that he was having on the environment, it seems like the message would have turned from "companies are driven by profit and pursuing that will eventually lead to ruin if not tempered" in the original to "you might think that you don't have the power to affect those companies, and you do want what they give you, but if you simply care and make it clear that your beliefs will sway where you shop (vote with your wallet) you can impact these companies because what they're doing is no longer the most profitable way"

[@ThePreciseClimber]

The Lorax demo songs are so frustrating since it's so obvious the writers had a very different idea for the movie originally.

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@ThePreciseClimber To make it more frustrating, the team that worked on the film commented that they felt disappointed and frustrated by the final result of the film since they felt that they were not being faithful to the book, which is frustrating to see so much wasted potential.

[@gatewoodanimations9753]

I’ve always defended the Horton Hears a Who movie because despite it’s flaws, it has heart and character. The part where all The Whos use all their instruments and voices to let them know they are there, and then Jojo joining in, that entire scene always gave me goosebumps. Also I really want to know how you feel about the Green Eggs and Ham tv show.

[@silverdamascus2023]

The best Dr. Seuss adaptation is Neftlix's Green Eggs and Ham, but that's because it has so little to do with the books, the original plots is used very loosely.

[@Stereo6400]

robin williams would have been a PERFECT. CAT. he would’ve brought the goofiness, the fun, but also the love, almost father-figure energy, the maturity, and the overall genuine life lessons and joy to the role. it would have been amazing, and they had every opportunity to get him considering he was at his peak when this was made

[@mysticmind4563]

I do agree Williams would've been the better choice than Meyers in that movie. However, the casting was just a smudge of the problem. The writing as a whole was so dated, childish and downright strange for a family film let alone a Dr.Suess adaptation. How could anyone make a boner joke, or slip a cuss word in a Suess film and make it work?

[@AlinaAniretake]

imagine, though Nicolson version of Cat, lol think Shinning

[@johnni-raecalzada2500]

We’re all the actors that would’ve been a better fit to play the cat in the hat busy with other movies or something🤔

[@solomia5037]

idk i think Meyers executed the intended chaos perfectly

[@gailasprey7787]

Sad thing about the Lorax is they had so many great ideas! They just weren’t used because of time restrictions. 😭😭 They wanted to make a good movie. They had ideas on how the lack of air effected the town in everyday life and wanted to see it have stakes. But of course they were unable.

[@estela654]

It's all Illumination's fault. The creative team had good ideas, but Illumination put a lot of creative constraints on it.

[@gailasprey7787]

@@estela654they said make a movie adapting a book about corporate greed hurting the environment but said the concepts and songs were too corporate for their corporate company. If that’s not poetic I don’t know what is. 🤣

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@gailasprey7787 how ironic

[@commonusername5715]

i stand by diva Mike Myers and his cat in the hat adaptation. it’s just what dr. (Mistress) Seuss would’ve wanted

[@lululuvscats]

I'm pretty sure Audrey Geisel hated the live-action Cat in the Hat so much that she forbid anyone from ever making another live-action Seuss movie ever again.

[@iferlyf8172]

The one good thing that came with Illumination's Lorax is the cut song Biggering. Seriously a great song that fits the themes of the original so much more, with a focus on capitalist ventures having to keep growing and growing infinitely

[@devilledeggmuncher]

Honestly the Green Eggs and Ham show is a perfect example of how to adapt Dr Seuss in every aspect. I'm so excited for the new Cat in the Hat movie because Warner Bros Animation knows what they're doing when it comes to Dr Seuss content.

[@lacman5459]

warner is also making a thing one and thing two movie and a all the places you'll go movie

[@devilledeggmuncher]

@@lacman5459 Yep!

[@Cherry_coke_pop]

Probably not a great example cause it’s more so a good show that yoinked two characters a fictional food and the style of dr Seuss books although it is indeed a great show and representation of seuss’ style

[@SpacemanWander]

yes !!! i love this adaptation, season 1 is the perfect example of blending the world of dr. suess with a new plot

[@Rognik]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about the Lorax's tie-in campaigns. For a story that is essentially anti-capitalist, it went out of its way to be the face of marketing in the leadup to the movie.

[@okami-chan9772]

OMG yeah the IHOP and car commercials for The Lorax movie. I kid you not the original song of "How Bad Can I Be" was extremely better than the one in the movie; and you can definitely see why the company didn't want that version in the movie. Illumination wanted to kiss up to the big dog companies big time

[@christopherjobin-official7440]

"Anti-capitalist" has, and always will be, the incorrect way to describe The Lorax. As someone who's needlessly picked about all Lorax media I can tell you that it focuses far more on the corruption of morals when falling in love with money. "Love of money" isn't a side effect of capitalism, it is a side effect of being human. Capitalism has far better flaws to pick apart, not this basic and overused "Oh money money money."

[@semi-useful5178]

@@christopherjobin-official7440 It is indeed more aimed at those that don't care enough to be sustainable, be they capitalist Californians drinking a lake or Soviet Committees killing the Aral Sea and the economy of the surrounding region to meet Cotton Quotas.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

​@@christopherjobin-official7440🤓

[@GraighSoul]

@@okami-chan9772Yeah Biggering was a banger

[@Rosebud076]

Horton Hears a Who is still one of my favorite films of all time. For me, it’s really heartwarming. The mayor, Jojo, Roo, Horton, all of those characters make me feel happy every time I watch the movie. I didn’t mind the filler stuff and that story’s message is something I resonate with because I’ve been dealing with literal size differences since I was born (I’m smaller than avaerage and I’ve stopped growing) “a person is a person, no matter how small.” It’s my favorite Dr. Seuss adaptation. And I really liked the song at the end hehe

[@RawrFizzy]

Jim Carrey also had a mantra about the makeup, he was doing it for the kids. It's why he almost didn't become Eggman if the character required any heavy makeup or constricting costumes.

[@misterzygarde6431]

As a kid, I was rather excited for the Lorax and enjoyed seeing it in theaters. Now, I can see the criticism. Is it any wonder why people weren’t too hot on Illumination handling Mario when it was first announced? Also I think I remember watching the animated specials in Elementary school along with Blue Sky’s Horton adaptation. I think I remember enjoying those. I’m betting that WB’s Cat in the Hat movie will add some plot like The Cat in the Hat actually being the boyfriend of the children's mom and he’s babysitting them as to spend time with them. Perhaps his breaking of rules is his attempt to seem cool to the kids.

[@jami5034]

I'm the same way dude, I remember watching the Lorax over and over again and now I can barely watch it without thinking "what did I like about this?"

[@maverickdarkrath4780]

Wait isn't that last one just a joke from the simpsons dr sues parody segment in one of the tree house of horrors

[@liamphibia]

Well at least Illumination handled the Mario Movie surprisingly pretty well.

[@vanderquakSP]

@@liamphibia But that’s mostly because Nintendo was supervising them the whole time.

[@liamphibia]

@@vanderquakSP True.

[@aviagratablet9297]

I recently rewatched the Horton Hears a Who movie, and I loved how the animators not only kept the feeling of Dr Seuss but also animated Horton in a way that resembles Jim Carrey himself.

[@MorningDusk7734]

I've been noticing more and more that studios seem to not want to risk having a protagonist that could really be called "evil". The CumberGrinch is mostly socially awkward and a little petty, and sure he steals Christmas (there would be riots if he didn't do at least that much in a movie called "How The Grinch Stole Christmas"), but there's no malice, no terrorizing the village, nothing! If either of the other grinches came to town, people seem like they would head for the hills, but CumberGrinch has neighbors, goes to the grocery store, practically gets overwhelmed by the Christmas cheer! In another example, take the Artemis Fowl adaptation by Disney. They removed his want for gold, most of his diabolical scheming, his actual crimes, and added in the idea that his father was helping the Fairy society. They even cut the opening scene, WHICH THEY HAD ALREADY FILMED, where he tortures a reject of the fey society for her Book, a tome containing the knowledge Artemis uses to kidnap Holly. Even something like the Suicide Squad has the "bad guys" commit 1 assassination (but he's a family man so it's okay), one car chase where no one gets hurt, a basic robbery by the comic relief, text showing Croc ate someone, and the rest is killing what most would consider "bad guys". Literally Jim Carrey's Grinch is the latest example I can think of of a protagonist who does completely bad deeds most of the movie.

[@trolledfordrip]

at first i was like theres a film after reading all of that im now like oh it sucks

[@ignorant1126]

Tbh I find most of Horton Hears a Who's downsides to be completely forgivable since it's funny. Jim Carrey and Steve Carell have hilarious chemistry here, making it such a fun watch

[@Laxhoop]

I think O’Hare could have worked. He should have been kept as a faceless antagonist like the Onceler originally was, but instead of just being A greedy dirtbag, he should have instead represented a new generation of business, that was inspired by the Onceler’s apathy, who saw that apathy, and the money it generated, and learned the lesson “survival of the fittest” from it all. O’Hare would have represented the new generation of business that saw the Onceler’s misguided attempts to justify his actions to himself, as legitimate words to live by, and becoming an even bigger menace to nature than the Onceler ever was. But that’s the thing, emphasis should have been put on how O’Hare, his general business philosophies, and his disregard for nature, were all direct results of the Onceler’s apathy. O’Hare and his air wouldn’t have existed without Onceler or Thneeds. It could have been an expansion on the original message, talking about how while maybe back when the original story was written, destructive businesses were just apathetic, the companies and business men that they inspired, genuinely want to cause harm. They want to sell you polluted water, so their friends in the health sector can sell you medicine. They convinced the general public that it was THEIR job to fix the environment, all while they continued to destroy the environment, and sold the general public pointless “green” alternatives to food, sanitation, etc, that they themselves would never use or consume. They want to destroy the environment, so they can sell solutions to problems they caused. These types of ruthless, soulless business men that we have today, are not something the original story could have predicted, but they exist, and they exist because they took all the wrong lessons from the money printing apathy of those who came before, and O’Hare should have been a metaphor for that. O’Hare should have been part of the message, part of the warning. He should have been a warning that even if your apathy doesn’t destroy everything, your destruction will create monsters who want to destroy whatever remains, and then charge people to see the ruins.

[@kimberlynorris338]

Seuss may be hard to adapt, but if you ask me, Seussical (which you alluded to) did a pretty good job of maintaining his tone, messages, and style. For starters, it's a musical, where singing is not only expected but required, meaning the lyrics can be translated quite directly from the works themselves. Even in spoken dialouge, it's in rhyme. The story sticks to a dramatic structure by mostly sticking to the two Horton books, meaning that he has to worry about the Whos and the egg in conjunction - which further emphasizes his kindness, persistance, and dedication. It also throws in two other central characters for a little more of a story. Gertrude McFuzz gets to be our leading lady; she had a short story about her in the same collection as Yertle the Turtle. In her book, she wanted a fancier tail out of jealousy of an acquaintance, but here she has a crush on Horton and wants him to notice her, giving him a flaw of not noticing the needs of the freinds he has around him and still preserving her lesson that she's good enough with a single feather in her tail. We also have another overarching plot, that of a young boy who is implied to create the Seussian world through his imagination, and then is thrust into the role of Jojo, here the Mayor of Whoville's son who gets into trouble for thinking outside the box. He gets to use his imagination to create the word "Yopp" and save the Whos - his development is sort of like what they did with Cindy Lou, expanding upon a very minor character to help reinforce the themes and messages without comprimising the main cast's integrity. Now, the musical also has some clever ways of dealing with the other iconic characters who have had movies to their name. The Grinch is presented as living in Whoville, the events of the musical taking place some time after "How The Grinch Stole Christmas". He hasn't completely lost his grumpy attitude, but he "wouldn't dare to be totally mean" and even leads an annual Christmas pageant based on his adventure! He's not really a main focus, but they can't leave him out, so he's already gone through his character development. The Cat, on the other hand, is too iconic to leave out of focus. Seussical makes him a sort of omnicent narrator figure, the one who drags the boy into the world of Seuss and guides him and the audience through the adventure. He plays multiple minor roles throughout the story, breaks the fourth wall, and generally keeps the plot running by causing trouble for Jojo, Horton, and Gertrude while also being willing to help them out. He's still his happy-go-lucky trickster self, and still willing to clean up his messes when it becomes abundantly clear he's gone too far. As for the Lorax, he was gonna be in the show, but the creators decided he wouldn't really add anything and his bits ended up cut. Besides, his message would have strayed too far from Horton's.

[@aidensplanet]

even though the lorax wasn't directly included, in the song here on who they reference the truffula trees being cut down in a one-off line! and it seems like it implies that the world of the lorax is also a whoville-esque place because it's referred to 'the other side of town'

[@notworethite4835]

Jim carries grinch was freaking amazing and one of my all time favorites, and it screams the original story's message to me in my opinion I often wonder if dr. Seuss would have liked it and I really hope so

[@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143]

I loved Cat in the Hat personally. A film I would watch any day of the week. Mike Myers is just a treat in anything.

[@bowiebuttchug]

The jokes went over my head as a kid and now that I'm older Myers was a riot in that movie. Favorite on the list for all the "wrong" reasons. Is it a good adaptation? No not really. Is it fun as hell? Absolutely

[@inktendo]

Dr. Seuss isn't really popular here in Brazil (or any other non-English speaking country afaik because of how difficult it is to adapt the rhymes and content) so the first exposure a lot of kids had to his work were with the feature films, myself included, and I gotta say that both Jim Carrey movies have a place on my heart for the rest of my life

[@stevepensando2593]

My first exposure to Dr. Seuss was a Cat in the Hat cartoon series that aired in Discovery Kids

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

​@@stevepensando2593In America it aired on PBS

[@ToonBoom788]

Personally, I believe that showing the Onceler’s face can work with two main showings 1. Have him change from a young aspiring artist looking to make a mark on the world to a slowly lifeless looking man with tiresome eyes that potentially are caused by so much partying of praising him and too many bottles if you catch my drift 2. Have him be so ashamed of his actions and how he at times felt more heartless to his family and his girlfriend or someone… anyone, and does not know the errors of his ways until it’s too late that he straight up hides from the world from being ashamed on being so apathetic and so abusive with his power on having no sympathy for others and doesn’t go outside due to intentional belief that after what he did, he just believes that if he straight up met another guy or went through town, he would be brought back to his insecurities and be the same monster with a different look That’s how in my mind the Onceler having a face can work. Because he deteriorated it and hides it after what he done

[@RyoIsamuGaming]

Aye, a faced Onceler COULD work so long as he himself was 'faceless' in personality: with emphasis that despite his individual traits ANYONE could be the Onceler - doesn't matter if your hobby was playing guitars, watching TV or sewing cradles - while this is his tale, if not him than another. But they didn't bother with nuance and made the Onceler the root cause, not the figurehead. Faceless corporations have faces in them - other Oncelers dwell in these places. Personally I can't picture myself as being in that chair but that's on my end. If you want another example of a faceless character while still having one- any game that revolves around you making a character that has impact to the story and isn't their own character would probably fit the bill.

[@ToonBoom788]

That and it can also work if we see a scene where the Oncler is working with other people who are in the shadows in a meeting to show that not only anyone can become him but also anyone can be just as apathetic as him and want to work with him and let his company do terrible things

[@TheMamaluigi300]

Alternative idea: have his appearance change with every cut

[@ToonBoom788]

@@TheMamaluigi300 That’s what Im saying. It’s the same idea as I had in number 1

[@santiagobarreraruiz7280]

ngl my favorite interpretation of faceless onceler is one where he is always covered in a cloud of smoke, you might catch glimpses of a moustache or some shining glasses but every time you look his face seems to change behind that cigar

[@joylox]

I now feel justified in liking the older specials and movies better. The Illumination ones just didn't make sense. There was a lot of potential, especially in The Lorax, to take the message further, to do a mirror situation of O'Hare and the Once-ler being parts of the same thing, or O'Hare being the embodiment of the faceless idea of greed shown in the original, instead of having them be two different characters with different ideas. Have both ideas in the same thing, go into that idea of wanting things you can't have in Ted, and that would have been a bigger message.

[@elfrangofrito]

20:03 - "How many of these have you seen?" Most of them lol I grew up watching lots of Blue Sky, the only ones I haven't watched were their last two movies because I was already a teen by that point

[@TheDigitalApple]

Seuss’s material and his adaptations of his work have forever change literature and entertainment for the best!

[@CatholicPiccolo]

I think giving the Oncler a face could have worked. Sure the face of the company is usually squeaky clean but there will always be another face that is inseparable from the company, the founder. Having the Oncler be this founder type figure who creates his own legend with the making of the thneed that over the course of the movie hides his face more and more to represent his descent into greed and pride would have been awesome. Have him start wearing sunglasses and then wearing hats and then growing facial hair to cover more of his face, to the point that by the end his face is always covered in shadow. Representing the fall of a once ambitious founder into simply another cog in the corporate machine.

[@nutmegdoesstuff1339]

Okay yeah you've thoroughly convinced me, the only thing better than them keeping biggering instead of how bad can I be would be if it was more of a "how bad can I be: reprise" where after a bit of big bad onceler getting told by the lorax about all of the damage he was causing, he starts singing about how he doesn't even care, he's gonna keep biggering for the sake of his ego, who cares if some things are dying.

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Yeah, honestly, not a bad idea. With the movie being 1h30m, How Bad Can I Be could've been the 30 minute mark song and Biggering could've been the 1 hour mark song.

[@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome]

I don't understand how you're saying the story was bad in the first place and then turn around and say that the best thing that could've happened was with if the main victim had fallen down the same hole all over again.

[@VaSoVaVa]

"Biggering". The one and only song that definitely shows us what the Lorax illumination version could have been.

[@Soggy_Speggetti]

you can really tell how much care went into the live action grinch honestly i think Suess would be proud of it ROBIN WILLIAMS CAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE BEST F'ING THING EVER OH MY GOD IT WOULD BE PERFECT

[@ArturoGonzalez-di6rd]

Hot Take!! I like the Mike Myers Cat in the Hat. I understand why so many dislike it, but I personally like it for how batsh*t it is. I rather watch that than a safe filler coded adaption of a classic Suess tale (looking at you 2018 Grinch).

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

It's one of those "so bad that it has an integer underflow and becomes so good" kind of films.

[@Gxmwp]

That and the Jim Carrey Grinch are honestly great.

[@ssunsspott5170]

I need to see another youtuber talk about the live action Cat in The Hat who enjoys it like I do lol It's so dumb, and thanks to that it's so funny to me

[@dinosaysrawr]

I admit I chortled at the scene where the babysitter is snoozing while the Taiwanese parliament is violently brawling on the television, because it was so out-of-left-field.

[@iamafish7]

I find it more accurate to the Seuss style. As an adaptation? It's god awful, but it gets that absurdist style downpat.

[@Jaszi007]

59:39 O’Hair’s story could all still be seen as trying to negatively paint the “American dream“ because at 1:20 in the movie it shows O’Hair as a low level janitor employee and for the rest of the movie, it shows that he worked really hard to get where he is and became the leader of a giant company.

[@stephielynncrafts]

Its also kinda ironic that Eddie Murphy would have been considered to play The Cat in the Hat had it been made in the 80's because he also was considered to play The Grinch before Jim Carrey, but the widow of DR. Suess wanted exclusively Jim Carrey to play the role otherwise she would take back the rights to make a live action film. (Which she did end up doing immediately after The Cat in The Hat's failure)

[@february4206]

Illumnation's Lorax adaptation became a huge running joke among my after school club during middle school, so much so that our teacher asked us what movie we were referencing all the time. We told her and she promptly bought her grandkids the movie for Christmas. When we got back from break one of us asked her how it was and she responded with, "Not great." No elaboration. That poor, poor lady.

[@comicalgnome]

Jim carrey grinch is peak

[@JohnTheB1battledroid-uh7fu]

Agreed comrade

[@Nicky2414]

Based opinion, 100% agree.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

I'd still say Chuck Jones version is the Hallmark of a grinch, but Jim Carrey is without a doubt the best represented outside of animation!❤😂

[@jeggster3819]

Real

[@awsomedude23456]

You’re peak

[@hello_i_exist9909]

Well done! This goes much deeper into the Lorax than any other video I've seen. Also, I was *not* expecting that Goro Akechi jumpscare lol

[@Alex_Barbosa]

The grinch is unironically the best Christmas movie, right next the the Muppets Christmas caroll

[@TJ-hg6op]

The worst part about the lorax movie is that they had advertisements for massive corporations who caused pollution and said “lorax approved.”

[@PersonallyIdonthateyou]

Literally what the Once-Ler did

[@zeldagameryt4018]

I think in defense of The Lorax, I heard it was going to be a lot different and darker. (Case and point the cut songs.) It’s studio meddling that made it the movie we know it as now.

[@amirgarcia547]

True, the Onceler’s original song was meant to be a lot darker, but they toned it down to some cringey rap song instead.

[@lastchanc3stars]

The entire original movie plot was thrown out the window for being too dark. Songs and "YoU'rE aLL GoInG tO jAiL" weren't the only things cut y'know.

[@zeldagameryt4018]

@@lastchanc3stars I saw some concept art for the Lorax, and it kind of looked better and more “Seuss” than what we got in the final product.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

​@@amirgarcia547don't also forget about the thneedville demo

[@estela654]

Don't forget about the demos and concept art that made it look like the writers wanted to stay true to the source material.

[@raphaeldagamer]

I like that my concerns about Illumination's Grinch aren't limited to me. I left the theater thinking that he wasn't evil or nasty, just a bit cranky and too fed up with the holidays.

[@waffleauflauf4213]

This could be an unpopular opinion, but I actually really like Blue Sky's "Horton Hears a Who". Not comparing it and considering it as its own thing, I find it really funny but still endearing. The bouncy and expressive animation, goofy characters and dialogue, humor (though cringey at times), and all the people involved clearly enjoying themselves and going all out for certain scenes made for a really enjoyable film that still hit the emotional and tense moments, and even carried the message, rather well. It's certainly not the best and not for everyone, but I can't help but love it.

[@MichaelSar12IsBack]

I'll agree with you on "Horton". I rewatched it yesterday and I think it still holds up pretty well. It's not a flawless adaptation, but I don't think the 1970s Chuck Jones version was either.

[@thatonebonkchoyguy]

The dad in Jim Carrey Grinch was a great character, I'm so mad they removed him in the 3D animated one

[@MurderousEagle]

The 2d Lorax's "Unless" speech is just... haunting, sad. It's wonderful

[@AtlasBlizzard]

I loved Horton Hears a Who, far and away the best Dr. Seuss movie in my opinion. It's so whimsical and beautiful, plus hilarious. Speaking of Blue Sky, I love Ferdinand too. That studio deserved a better fate than to be bought and shut down by Disney.

[@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome]

They went bankrupt, they weren't bought and shut down.

[@endplanets]

But do you recall... the greatest adaptation of all... The Green Eggs and Ham cartoon show, two seasons, Netflix.

[@reecebun]

i LOVED the live action cat in the hat as a kid. i had a special dvd packed with bonus things that taught a dance to the song in the credits which my sister and i showed off to our relatives, and i'd sit and rewatch the bloopers/behind the scenes and cut scenes because i genuinely found it so interesting how it was done. oh and also mike myers shrek lol.

[@JuliaTheTransPeacock]

If we’re talking great Seuss adaptations, Netflix's Green Eggs and Ham is incredible. I love how it goes beyond a basic adaptation and builds upon the classic elements of a Seuss story in order to create its own unique thing. You can tell there was genuine heart put into this series, especially in S2.

[@taraking3207]

Agreed! It's actually become a comfort show for me. It hits that sweet spot of being perfectly appealing to younger and older audiences.

[@devilledeggmuncher]

It's genuinely my favorite show of all time, it's so beautiful and well created, you can tell that everyone who helped on the show loved it so much. And then there's season 2, which while I have my opinions on it, it's still great.

[@RagnarTheGrey]

I felt S2 while good was significantly weaker than the sheer heart and soul put into season 1. Season 1 is the best Suess, if not adaptation, inspired work period.

[@FieryPheonix-pq8sh]

I felt S1 was better and had more heart put into it.

[@devilledeggmuncher]

@@RagnarTheGrey(SPOILERS FOR SEASON 2, this is a rant about it.) A main issue I have about the second season is that the characters felt more flanderized, and their bonds are honestly a lot harder to believe. A major part of what made the first season so good was Guy and Sam's dynamic, and they did nothing with it. Both of them had about 5 minutes of screen time by themselves together, and that's it. It doesn't help that the last time the two characters talk to each other in the show, it's an argument that contradicts the best scene in the entire series (the tent scene). I really thought they were going to go with a found family type ending where Sam prefers his friends as his family, but I guess not with Sam and Guy never having real closure in the show (if you can count Sam holding Guy Jr at the end I guess???) The anticipation of Sam finding his mom only for her to be revealed in the first episode was a bit of a bummer for me too, but I get how it had to happen for the story. I absolutely hate how they put Twenty One Pilots over Sam's dream sequence. The show did so well making the environment stick to its 50s/60s tone with the music and technology, and then they just throw it in?? It was so disappointing but I burst out in laughter when I first watched it from shock. Anyways yeah, I do like moments of the season. I think Sam and his mom had a nice dynamic. E.B.'s story had to be my favorite out of the 3 different arcs in the season, which is interesting to me since I didn't mind her in season 1. The theme song is pretty dang good. Yeah lol that's my rant

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

When checking out how "How Bad Can I Be" sounded in other languages, I saw someone genuinely say how nice the message was and how great it was that kids today can see this good moral movie. Thought it was sarcasm at first but nope.

[@anemiropenguin2241]

In Hebrew they turned him into a villan that is a villan for the porpuse of being a villan

[@supersmashbro596]

it's funny they tried to make the grinch relatable in the illumination version, when they got it right with one scene in the 2000 version. the scene where the grinch just starts tearing into the whos about their rampant commercialism and what christmas is about to them: the gifts. his arguements about the holiday are completely valid. plus even while the jim carrey version of the grinch was mean, there was still some tinge of humanity in him that shows throughout the film, showing that he's not really all bad. from him saving cindy in the male room, to literally just before his ranting where he was willing to give celebrating christmas a chance, this version remained true to the original while not being so meanspirited that you don't want to see him get better.

[@alexandersean4708]

You know, I actually have an idea for how giving the OnceLer a face could work. You mentioned how giving him a face makes him more of a mascot, so they COULD have run with that! Have various pieces of memorabilia and billboards and the like show his face, but keep it hidden when we see the actual person. Have his face be what he wants people to see him as! Make it a mask, even! Have a scene where we see him posing for a picture for a billboard, with his face onscreen, then lower the camera to focus on his feet and legs and lower body in general as we see a mask that looks exactly like what we see of his face looks land in front of the Lorax, who starts making his arguments! Or maybe that’s ridiculous, I don’t know.

[@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome]

Why are we suddenly preferring live action depictions of cartoon characters?

[@apolliolossun]

I think the Cat in the hat would have been more interesting if the group (cat, fish, girl, boy) got separated to two groups boy and fish/cat and girl. Where you see the fish explain why there needs to be rules and order to the boy, while the cat explains why there needs to be fun and disorder to the girl.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

To me, Warner Brothers Animators proved to be the world's greatest animation House of all time by being able to adapt these wonderful Tales of Seuss the best! From Chuck Jones and the rest, they all knew how to capture style, tone, and deliver his message to such an impact that very few adaptations can even do... with some exceptions to Jim Carrey's performance because he was phenomenal!❤

[@pitaalfereti58]

As a Warner Bros. meat-riding shill, I 100% agree!

[@nyanpirethecat2257]

Warner Brothers Animation has recently gained the film rights to Dr. Seuss works beginning in 2018. They're currently working on an animated feature film of The Cat in the Hat.

[@lacman5459]

​@@nyanpirethecat2257 they are also making a thing one and two movie

[@lacman5459]

@@nyanpirethecat2257 all the places you'll go movie is also in the works

[@wakiloon]

Warner Bros actually had nothing to do with those shorts

[@calebrands4912]

In the Dr Seuss special, Halloween is Grinch Night, he's so cruel to Max that Max gets a song about how miserable he is and runs away to Whoville the first chance he gets. He's literally the Grinch's slave. This kind of revisionism is what I'd expect from The Patriot or Gone With the Wind.

[@AudreyArnett-si3ss]

The one good thing about the Lorax film is the Oncler's BANGER song "How Bad can I be?"

[@dinosaysrawr]

The absolute best part of the "Horton Hears a Who" CG film is the character of Katy. She steals every scene she's in. I love her. The best thing to come out of the CG adaptation of "The Lorax" was the rejected song "Biggering." It was definitely too on-the-nose for comfort, which was why it was reworked into the toonier, less-discomfiting "How Bad Can I Be."

[@KirbyIsCute]

I'm glad you had some praise for Horton Hears A Who as I do have a soft spot for the film. I'm a little disappointed you didn't talk about the climax though because - as funny as it sounds - it's my all time favorite movie climax. With the stakes being so high that a whole race of people could die in a blink of an eye, the visuals and the music and the tension - just gives me goosebumps watching. It felt the most in spirit of Seuss even having the narrator came back for a bit. I admit I find most of the movie okay at best but when it came out, I watched it again and again just to reach the final act. That's how much I loved it.

[@camolotthe42]

I hear that there might have been an animated Cat in the Hat with Robin Williams. I stare at my hands. I weep for what might have been.