JxmyHighroller ENDS "WE DONE WITH THE 90S"

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[@justinland1208]

It's obvious to me that not only do "fans" not go back and watch old games. Most of them don't watch games today. Their entire basketball knowledge is formed from watching game highlights.

[@YEGGS_1]

Thats true, people saying Jordan "can't go left" when 15 minute compilations of him finishing some of the craziest left handed finishes i've ever seen.

[@asahno3341]

2k also plays a huge part in people thinking they know more abt basketball than they really do

[@chrisdevault5823]

Or lowlights….

[@sinisterminds2559]

Flightreacts 🤣🤣🤣

[@CriticalGamingChannel]

Exactly! You can literally pull up these old full-length games on KZbin. Watch how quickly they'll spit out that Kool-aid if some of them ever cared enough to check them out.

[@josephkim1454]

It's not that fans nowadays are saying MJ had a "weakness" with his left hand; they're straight up saying that he had NO left hand, which is a straight up lie lmao

[@dadillonful]

He also couldn’t shoot 3s , he would easily get exposed in todays game

[@Nooblet92Ca]

@@dadillonfulhe is an all time player he will develop it just like LeBron needed to develop his game just like curry Etc. god forbid you come out perfect out of college and even high school

[@malcolmhodnett8874]

@@dadillonfulhe was an avg 3 pt shooter for the time period. We can’t call being league avg at something a weakness

[@glovs4188]

​@@dadillonfulhe was an average shooter back then. But nobody left him open to shoot 3s. Finals vs magic. People were saying magic and the lakers will win cause the bulls superstar is a terrible passer. MJ average double digit assists that finals. Finals vs drexler. People were saying drexler was MJ but a better shooter. You get the shrug game. Lebron in comparison is a below average shooter in an era of shooting. Which curry pioneered.

[@aceacemania]

​@@dadillonfulthere was an interview of MJ where he was asked about the threeball. He said he did not focus on it too much because it will diminish the rest of his game which was already unstoppable, and he already had teammates who specialized on it with Kerr and Kukoc. But I strongly believe that if he knew how statistically important the 3 was going to be in this era, he would have been on the grind for it.

[@Sumnikka305]

Elgin Baylor was "eurostepping" mfs back in the 60s. It's really the Baylor step.

[@jalilcook5113]

Just the rules were different back then, people gotta realize the rules helped evolve the game of basketball as well..

[@raynordavis9117]

@@jalilcook5113yeah the rules and the players I doubt the guys back then was even as agile and mobile to make the moves players do today

[@g5162]

​@@raynordavis9117So all of a sudden humans just became agile?

[@therealc.t.7085]

@@raynordavis9117You’re trippin, Bill Russell was literally jumping over people in the 60’s. I think the average player today in more athletic than the average player in past years but not by some astonishing amount.

[@paquinraino8180]

@@g5162 No but the training improve but most of them was doing other jobs next to the NBA. The average NBA player is way more athletic tho.

[@SarkisAlexander]

B got real quiet when he realized MJ was better with his left than the best scorers in 2024 with BOTH hands 😂

[@xoHaj]

He’s not tho, he got a stat metric of mj going left and either going left doing a layup, mid range shot, three pointer, or dunk on the left side

[@xoHaj]

Looked at it myself, pretty disingenuous, but Jimmy is an mj fan so I doubt he tried to dig deep and look up mjs statistics for going left while doing a layup

[@BSOLZ_]

Oh nah i just wasn’t surprised. Talked about it in a previous vid already lol

[@tonyis_lit1137]

@@xoHajisn’t jimmy a lebron fan he just not bronsexual or awfully biased?

[@SarkisAlexander]

@@BSOLZ_ haha my man - was just a funny ass coincidental moment then 👊🏼

[@brocklee1009]

Whats crazy is that when he was talkin bout the euro we just saw the clips of players doing em and getting called travels for it

[@jphugo15]

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[@TheRodster21]

But we also saw it was called for a travel

[@aquartermil]

Our generation don’t understand that players back then could definitely do what players do today lol New York was king of guys with handles, all the moves we see today “the Shammgod” all the creativity was made inside the parks not just New York everywhere. The rules just didn’t let guys do what guys todays do lol. Yes as a whole the league all around players are more skilled and talented but rules dictate this as well

[@jphugo15]

@@TheRodster21 can you read

[@morgann6]

crazy part about this is how he’s not paying attention to the video 😂

[@Jarl_Throthgar]

The only people who took the "we done with the 90's" shit seriously were hard core Lebron fans, if you want proof look at any instagram comments under any nba posts for the last two weeks, and then read the 200 comment thread of them arguing against people who actually have common sense, you can tell what side they're on and why, and it almost always devolves to "Lebron is better MJ was trash this proves it we done with the 90's" then when they get pressed as to why they just say Lebron has more points and MJ had no left hand, while ignoring any of the subtleties or actually intricacies to the debate

[@yungesjosef]

Naw yall just emotional and don’t like the same energy yall give. NBA fans are hypocrites and “We Done with the 90s” just highlighted yall as disingenuous man fans. Yall are liars and yall don’t like being called out for it

[@KarloBlaze]

I'm Croatian and my father followed basketball throughout the 80's and 90's, when Yugoslavia and Croatia were amazing. When Dražen died he kind of lost interest for the sport like most of Croatian people at the time. The funny thing about it, we would talk about basketball somewhere between 2005 and 2010 and he would say he doesn't like today's basketball because people praise defensive plays and blocks more than a 3 point shot. They were chucking threes like crazy back in the day and today's basketball is very similar to 80's and early 90's.

[@Zion122]

This. What we've been seeing is the league transitioning to a European style of play.

[@paquinraino8180]

Exactly today's basketball is fast pace like the 80's and 90s but people want to compare today's stats with the deadball era, which is an outlier in NBA history

[@TowDow3]

RIP drazen Petrovich.

[@DD-rk6kn]

croatian basketball fell of hard. Your league is one of the worst in europe. i saw a game I bet on two top teams horrible to watch. There were like 20 people in the audience. You guys used to compete in the euroleague now you dont. top teams lost their sponsors all went broke cant afford to get talent from overseas but Its ok yall good in soccer now.

[@paquinraino8180]

@@DD-rk6kn They just going to play with Serbian teams or in Turkey, Spain, Greece or France, that's simple

[@whenisdinner2137]

The Eurostep was called a travel back then

[@gaboswrld]

Two steps without dribbling was a travel? Nighas just didn’t know rules 😂

[@Dyce2k]

Michael Jordan has literally said Nothing about the goat debate between him and lebron bro it’s not the old heads starting it 😂

[@kb4231]

Jimmy cooked with this video

[@ancientwarriors67]

Jimmy is a goofy ball

[@alexgrissom3513]

Jimmy does indeed cook

[@kb4231]

@@ancientwarriors67 I said with this video

[@kb4231]

@BoxingisgoatedBoxingisgoated Je really didn't

[@josephbooker259]

​@BoxingisgoatedBoxingisgoated He didn't lol. He said the game has evolved after 40 years of play, but he VERY CLEARLY expressed that the old Era wasn't bad, and that they could compete today.

[@BaithNa]

I grew up in the 90s watching MJ, I think he's the GOAT but todays players are far more skilled than any other era. Also, dudes who grew up watching basketball in 70's and 80's used to say that 90's basketball was trash too. This is a generational debate that always existed but its being broadcasted on a different level due to former players being part of the media and social media.

[@hiphopblender1291]

It looks more skilled when players are not allowed to play defense, not called for violations like traveling, and is an easier league than the euro league. Luka said the NBA is easier than the euro league btw. But most of these current guys don't have a post game, no midrange, no defensive game, less stamina due to them never being able to play 82 games. So now they're more skilled?

[@taylortnt1175]

​@@hiphopblender1291The defense looks bad because there's more spacing. In the 90's defenses were focused on the paint because most high percentage shots were inside the paint so it was easier, The reason it's hard for newer players to stay on the court is because they have to do more to get to the highest level think about it not only do players have to compete with players in their own country, They now have to compete with players overseas, train their bodies to do more find moves that set them apart from their peers. it's alot of wear an tear on the body.

[@milktea2422]

@@hiphopblender1291imagine how bad the league would be if the nba didn’t relax on the rules. Do you think the nba would be one of the most popular sports leagues in the world if all the people did were go into a post move 30 feet from the basket? The 90’s looked boring. It was slow paced, there was no dribbling, and there was no defending, I guess if you count smacking someone in the head as defence. It didn’t look fun to watch unless you watched Jordan or someone similar. You’re average game probably had like a 0.5 viewership because it was ultra trash players Vs ultra trash players, backing up into each other and then getting fouled and getting free throws that they would brick. You’re new nba fan would much rather watch todays fast pace high scoring game then the 90’s. I 100% believe if you showed someone todays game from the 8vs7 seed and then showed them a game from the 90’s of the 8vs7 seed somehow without them knowing which is for my he 90’s like if the quality of the film was the exact same, and the commentators had todays mic’s and etc. they would probably think the 90’s game was an high school or amateur game Vs the pros. There’s a reason why David stern had to basically change the nba so that it’s viewership would grow. Your think the nab would be where it is today if it stayed like the 90’s? No way. It would’ve tanked like baseball. It would’ve been known as the game of slow tall freaks then it’s fast pace nature today.

[@hiphopblender1291]

@@milktea2422 Game 6 of the 1998 finals holds the record for the highest viewership at 35.89 million viewers. The most-watched NBA-related video on KZbin is a video of Kobe Bryant, with 86 million views. The NBA's ratings have remained flat in recent years, with ratings for the 2022-2023 season dropping to 1.59 million average viewers across ABC

[@hiphopblender1291]

@BoxingisgoatedBoxingisgoated 👏

[@DEMI-sq5uf]

I wish the same guys that have the balls to get on here and “end we done with the 90’s “ had the balls to get here and end “this era is soft” “this era is trash” “leflop era” etc.

[@yungking2148]

This era is objectively physically softer than any other era since the 80s. You want them to deny reality to spare your feelings?

[@shepardice3775]

​@@yungking2148Putting "objectively" and "softer" together makes no sense lol. Players aren't soft. They're not any less capable of playing in yesterday's league. The game is way faster now with players having to cover more ground than ever

[@bmgk6486]

jimmy literally did that it just wasn’t titled that

[@TOlp-oe3fp]

You should prolly watch the video then

[@azure4277]

He did lol, also there’s more truth to this day being soft than there is the stars of the 90s being outdated.

[@lucidstudious750]

Ive been waiting all day for this

[@tmoney360]

Yes his left hand was not as efficient as his right but his turnovers weren't high regardless. Still not nearly enough to call it a major weakness since his efficiency wasn't massively lower on his left.

[@johnchristopher3032]

His weak hand is stronger than everyone else strong hand.

[@awesomereviews1561]

@@johnchristopher3032exactly

[@504branden]

It's funny to hear Solz saying the euro step wasn't a thing in the 90s a minute after Jimmy shows Dominique Wilkins doing a euro step and getting called for a violation.

[@yonasteklab8954]

He was dodging a lot of jimmy’s great points he just said “they’re skill set is they’re skill set” he was cherry picking the whole video 😂

[@MacBoydFanAcc]

@@yonasteklab8954he agreed with mostly everything Jimmy said 💀

[@PsychoWarper]

Ive always held the belief that all time great players would be great in any era, the biggest difference is the role players and stars who are significantly better today.

[@Chooopy]

Agreed. The ceiling has slighting shifted, but the floor has drastically, drastically gone up.

[@SonnyK248]

That's what people don't realize. People say Jordan was the most influential player of all time and he played in the strongest era. Both of these things cannot be true. What the 90's and in particular, what Jordan did was make more young people worldwide pick up a basketball than at any time in human history. It's impossible for him to have played in the strongest era since he influenced the entire generation and ones after that one. He cant play against the players he inspired in their prime. He started to see Kobe, Tmac, Vince and AI towards the back end of his career but obviously his impact was going to make the next NBA generation stronger than his. And what his impact did was create a much bigger demand for players entering the league. There are 30 teams in the league now and 450 permanent roster spots. There were 29 teams and 435 permanent roster spots in 1996! So roughly the same amount of spots but the queue at the door is exceptionally larger. So you have to be a very very good player to even be considered top 450 in the world today considering how much basketball is being played worldwide. It's not crazy to say that even on competitive teams back then a large portion of their 15 man rosters wouldn't make the league today. The drop off on most of those 80's/early 90's rosters after the second or even some of the first option players was massive. Nobody cares who the forth guy was on the Jazz and they made back to back finals. What about the third guy on the 7th seed? or the second guy on the 9 seed? We have AD and Bron and Kyrie and Luka playing together today and they both might miss the playoffs 😥

[@crosswiz6]

I get that thought process, but hasn't it occured to you that the reason they seem "better" is because of MUCH lower defense? More rule changes that favor offense? And looser rules in GENERAL?

[@crosswiz6]

​@@SonnyK248 Compare Jordans tenure in the NBA (1984 - 2003) to Lebrons tenure (2003 - 2024/now) and tell me which 20 year period has produced better all time players, better teams, better ratings, more dynasties, more fan interest? Today's era is *STILL* eating off of the interest and ratings that were generated back in the 90s.

[@Linesweeper]

@@crosswiz6 The greatest team of all time was the GSW with KD which wasn't in the 90's. Oversea basketball exploded post 2000's. post 2000 saw the peak of Dirk, Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, James Harden, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Giannis, Jokic to just name a few. Better ratings was definetly the 90's but there's more factors than that, but okay you have that one, but fan interest? The fact that Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole each have 2 million followers on instagram should tell you all about fan interest that you need to know. The last 20 years truly made the NBA global. Also no players don't seem better cus of the loosers rules, athletes today are stronger, faster and more knowledgeable on average than athletes in any other era. This is literally always the case. The average player in the 90's would stomp the average person in the 60's etc, etc. This is true in every sport. If you took Bob Cousy in his prime and put him today he'd have to be a bench warmer due to how physically weak he is and how poor his game knowledge and skills are. Of course this isn't his fault, others learned off of him and perfect the game, but it's still true. Chess is the perfect example of this, it's not had a rule change but if you put an IM player today against the best player in the world in the 1800's he'd wipe the floor with him. We learn off the generations before us.

[@blaque5582]

Imagine what some of the older legends would be if they were allowed to unlock their entire bags. Now imagine what the modern players would’ve grown up watching. Frfr I was a hooper and in the parks of American the stuff you’re seeing today was already happening in the 70’s. Handles ain’t new and if you think so you can go all the way back to the Globe Trotters and see what happens with no rules. You can look as recent as the And One Mix Tapes. The NBA wouldn’t let Skip do any of his signatures. Somebody tell me I’m lying. Rules make all of the difference.

[@Stunt877]

The point is if players back then had a bag mj wouldn’t have 6 rings and be in the conversation he wouldn’t dominate that era

[@cobra7282]

@@Stunt877 Another point is that if MJ had the loose rules of today he would have been an even bigger nightmare to deal with. The man was already un-guardable when he couldn't carry, travel and bulldoze his way through defenders. Not to mention players could defend him more physically than the current rules would allow.

[@blaque5582]

@@Stunt877 EVERYBODY stuck to what they allowed to do based on officiating. You don’t get to hijack MY point my guy. You weren’t around and if you were you weren’t a hooper. I was. Every perimeter player that came to the league after 88 had a little bit of a bag at the very least. Handle looks different because carrying and traveling are allowed. I’ve been watching the game since 85 and have been playing since 91 in all kinds of settings across the country. From elementary blacktop to college arenas to the muthafuckin Rucker. I’ve seen NBA players at open runs and park games do shyt that this generation just caught on to in the 2010s in the league. Relax. I get it that it’s just your opinion and not your experience. See what type of bag YOU have when you have to dribble with your hand ON TOP of the rock at all times. Duplicate Isaiah Thomas handle. I’ll wait.

[@blaque5582]

@@cobra7282 FACTS. That’s exactly the point.

[@cobra7282]

@@blaque5582 Rafer Alston (Skip) is really the prime example of how stifling NBA rules were to players back in the day. Dude was a certified street ball god with exceptional handles, but looked pretty damn ordinary when he played in the NBA and couldn't utilize 90% of his bag. And this was in the early 2000s and the 80s were way more strict than that.

[@libfit9068]

Yeah it's ridiculous when ppl say Jordan would just be average if he grew up today.. like really? The guy had a 46" vertical, abnormally giant hands, abnormally long wingspan, quick as a cat, he had essentially the perfect basketball body, then add an obsessive competitive mindset? How could he not be great in any era?

[@ntsakomathebula4840]

Luka dropping 73 and the pundits only asking "Where's the defense?" That was the catalyst event for the trend taking off, not the tik tok, but the revenge of disrespecting greatness

[@silentlyanonymous306]

its because he wasn't really defending, i like luka, when he started as rookie i already saw his potential and knew he will become a superstar but i wouldn't lie talkin about his weakass defense even if he score 80 pts, he's a crazy offensive player but ass defender. its because players like kobe, jordan, duncan, shaq, lebron, kawhi, all these guys who put up big numbers doesn't lack about their defense when putting up big numbers, he should at least put some effort of defending someone even if he's average defender it would alright.

[@resurrectedpa]

​@@silentlyanonymous306why you disrespecting luka bro. People know that's a flaw in his game but his upsides need to be respected. 73 points in any era is ridiculous. Where is this energy when we've heard Wilt drop 100 or when David Robinson scored 71. Unbelievable

[@paquinraino8180]

@@silentlyanonymous306 Magic, Bird or Barkley wasn't great defender, same for AI or Steph

[@WingCoe]

@@silentlyanonymous306when Iverson or Melo was scoring their career highs never heard of anything about bad defense.

[@DD-rk6kn]

the scoring average in the 2000s was 95ppg in 2024 its 120 ppg. So scoring 50 points means you scored 52% of your teams points in 2004 and 43% in 2024. 2000s was the most physical era not the 90s. 2024 is like the 80s era if you compare it by stats @@WingCoe

[@rodneymccoy6656]

was waitin for the reaction to drop

[@Augrills]

Every fast break in the current NBA would be a travel in the ‘90s lol

[@dadillonful]

I’ve watched Karl Malone constantly travel in the finals and not be called

[@johnchristopher3032]

Michael Jordan's left hand is stronger than your favorite players with both hands. Going left was not a major weakness for Jordan. You can tell Solz never played. We always force the opponent to dribble with his weak hand if possible. Unless there is a defense scheme that dictates you do something else, you should always force the ball carrier to use their weak hand.

[@naveensehdev9973]

If they done with the 90s take off your Jordan’s

[@user-lh8zz6st5r]

Jordans are dead in 2024

[@danielantoine5063]

What does the shoes have to do with ppl not falling for the lies they tell about the 90s?

[@Jaeq]

We love jxmy 🔥🔥

[@LBEEZY_TV]

My son or daughter: “Dad your All stars wore garbage bags and dresses. WE DONE WITH THE 2010s”

[@khiereloah250]

17:23 funny that you talkin bout Eurostep not being a part of them oldheads' bags when LITERALLY few sceonds before on the clip those same Eurosteps were shown - yet were called for dribbling/ travelling violations. I get that you need to consider copyrights for them reactions so you need to pause, but yo. Listen & understand first before giving your take dude 😂

[@yukipuki-gt6yc]

he sees it, just acting like he don't notice cuz he know he wrong but prideful AF

[@Widkey]

So this video showed Dennis Rodman because he was one of those "limited" 90s player.. but Rodman is one of the greatest rebounder and defender in history.. and Lebron fans like to say Jordan had a superteam because he had Rodman.. so go figure.

[@billywilliams2438]

Been waiting for this one lol

[@darthstigater6642]

The argument is between skills and rules. The people who are done with the 90s are focused on skills and don''t care about the rules as much whereas the people who love the 90s don't care as much about skill if the rules are changed so much that guys get open layups left and right.

[@RecluseSports]

I ain’t old and I love the game but I do think we really overlook how carrying the ball every time you dribble has added to the skill gap

[@luciofilipe]

its a weakness? how when jordan using his left hand has better stats than the entire league nowadays on both hands, you just saw it on the grapth lmao.

[@crystalizedExposed]

it was obviously his weaker hand and thats micheal jordan at his absolute peak

[@blaque5582]

Crazy that Jordan with his weak hand is in an entirely different class than the entire modern league with both hands. Let that sink in.

[@iluvcakes19]

It's his weaker hand but he's better with it than everyone in the League today with both of theirs 😂😂😂 MJ will forever troll the new "It" guy in the league.

[@soggybread749]

I grew up watching the 80s till now. Wasnt a MJ fan but watch every Bulls game because WGN was on cable and was the only basketball you could watch consistently. MJ is the goat.

[@FatsAldridge]

How are his stats better based on the chart when Luka is only about 0.2 points less per iso, but isoing more than 3 more times per game? 😂😂 that’s like gassing a 40% 3 point shooter that’s only attempting 3 3s per game

[@Chris-ri4jl]

I've said this so many times these past couple weeks, but gah damn all these people peddling this "we done with the 90s" shit don't watch ball. Just damn highlights and stats to get all their opinions never the whole game let alone actual 90s games.

[@dadillonful]

The we done with the 90s started trending because people started watching the 90s full games and breaking it down, old heads exaggerated the offense and defense in the 90s

[@Chris-ri4jl]

@@dadillonful to my knowledge the original poster was just a compilation of lowlights

[@nicolasmartinez795]

@@dadillonful it wasn't though cause they cherry-picked the lowlights of games and only posted THAT. So if they watched the game but only posted 4 bad clips, did the other 200k+ people watch the game or just draw a conclusion based on 4 clips. Takes like two seconds to think about the matter that deeply

[@ASH_PUNCH]

Today's game literally got an extra step...a looser carry and foul rules...be real😂

[@XGoldenx03]

I got introduced to the NBA and basketball by watching reruns on Magic and Larry bird finals and started watching the year the celtics won the chip in 2008. Things evolved and when they evolve things change and people get better. Thats how evolution happens but that does not take away how the greats should be perceived. The average player today might be better than the average of the past but the greats will always stand alone no matter the era.

[@eb2604]

Exactly. That’s like discrediting Hashirama to prop up Naruto.

[@kitanat9944]

@@eb2604Of course, in anime, some ancestor or character from an older generation is almost always the strongest. Makes it more “interesting” since no one has reached that peak since then I guess.

[@lancetupaea9742]

You are a good man Solz

[@AceTheCap823]

All timers tranced eras, superstars of their time, stars of their time and good players of their time either gets worse or better depending on their individual strengths and weaknesses/playstyle, and the average journeymen player is more skilled today than ever before due to a combination of learning from and adding onto previous eras skills and rules/enforcement of rules being different now. It’s really not that hard to understand 7:10-7:15 it’s 100% both, offensive skill is better but the level of defense is worse. But I will say the best defenders of this era who play great defense today are for the most part the best defenders ever imo becuz the rules make their job harder but they still able to have elite level impact

[@jphugo15]

Agreed except I think it's disingenuous when people only say that players are more skilled now when it's really the techniques and fundamentals have evolved to fit a new game. So much of the old rules existed to limit players compared to now, it's more than just saying players are more skilled when it's more like players back then had to adjust to the team. You HAD to fit into the team for success. Especially with the lack of player movement back then, you couldn't just leave after a year. Now you have to be a jack of all trades to raise your market share.

[@AceTheCap823]

@@jphugo15 yea coaching philosophy definitely plays a role. For example I’ve seen shaq rebound and take the ball coast to coast enough times to understand that if given the opportunity he could definitely develop a good handle, not saying he’d be KD or Embiid or Giannis as a ball handler but he’d fasho be able to put the ball on the floor more consistently

[@Dopefoolrants505]

Football is the only professional sport where every era is as equally good as the last and any player can play in any era

[@Dopefoolrants505]

Basketball just can’t do that

[@JuggaloSupreme]

I don't think so. Put one of these teams up against the Chicago Bears of 1986 & they'd get destroyed! Football was way more violent

[@michaelmamba1578]

Nah old heads definitely started it lmao. Example I’ll be watching a game with my pops and I’ll say dayum luka is so nice or Lebron is too good and he’ll be like yea but they wouldn’t survive against the defense of the 90s. Like it’s always them tryna start a debate💀

[@awesomereviews1561]

40:00 “It was a weakness” 😂. Then the data is shown and he is better than anyone playing now. Stay silent you fool.

[@alvbusano]

Naw we not done w the 90’s, we just done w the 90’s talking like their generation can’t be fcked w

[@drodrig1]

On god

[@AceTheCap823]

Good take. Erry era got pros and cons idk why it’s so hard to understand that

[@jjasuka]

same goes to the le-sexuals

[@sunnydayz8747]

This is the issue the problem YOU CANNOT COMPARE PLAYERS FROM DIFFERENT ERA"S against each other in the way we have been perceived to think and most fans do this. You know how fans of today say "if we drop Steph Curry or Kyrie or LeBron or ANYONE for that matter into any era that they would dominate" ? This is a false statement , this is an oxymoron in the world of reality this can not take place , as soon as you say the above phrase I mentioned you have lost any argument you thought you had. Our history and reality have a way to preserve the players of the past as to not let the pitting against of players of past and present against each other LOGICALLY and in REALITY. We can only compare Michael Jordan to the players he played against period , reason being because everyone MJ played against had the same sports & medical science , training , and nutrition... PERIOD , this is a LEVEL playing field for ALL of his era. We can only compare LeBron James to the players he played against for the exact same reasons I mentioned above. What we can do is this..... who dominated their own era more ? This is the base and foundation one must build their case on for the reasons mentioned above. This is the ONLY way to pit players against each other...but even this has it's own flaws that I did not mention. Who dominated their own Era more ?

[@Stunt877]

@@sunnydayz8747I disagree with the mj take I don’t think the players he played against in the 90s had the same advantages as him. That’s the main reason he dominated specifically. They was still playing the game like it was still in the 80s while mj adapted quickly. MJ even had better shoes than them. No one in that era was anywhere near close to MJs level. MJ got lucky those 2000s players came later on and didn’t grow up on a similar mj like player. Because I’m telling you players like Kobe,Kevin Garnett,Vince,iverson was not going to let mj get away with 6-0

[@alod247]

Old heads watch full games as they happen. Young fans watch modern games as they happen and highlights of past eras. That’s why, generally speaking, OGs can speak about the game and the players more accurately. It’s something young fans cant understand until they get older and have a larger library of personal basketball knowledge to reference.

[@inthecutstudios9505]

They will only understand when they have been watching basketball in their 30's, 40's, and 50's. They can say and speak on the eras from the 2010's, 2020's, 2030's and so on, only then they can critique with such conviction of the eras they witnessed throughout the ages.

[@blaque5582]

Yo… my man thank you very much for calling us OGs. I respect it and appreciate it. When somebody calls us old heads it’s taken as a sign of disrespect even if it’s unintended. So thank you for showing a lil love.

[@Zion122]

Old heads clearly don't watch basketball based on the things they say about it. They're mentally attached to the old era and it shows.

[@jadencedras6878]

Oldheads don't even remember things correctly

[@ajadams3297]

LeBron and mj played against each other for Last 15 years LeBron would have no rings curry would have 2 at the most

[@Chooopy]

I'm on the side that the 90s weren't trash. But to answer the question: When did the NBA become not trash? 1996. From the start of the Bulls second three-peat to the 1996 draft class, that was the definitive shift. It marked the split from he early 90s to the late 90s and featured a legendary draft class that would elevate the game to the next level.

[@roderickbrown4492]

Celtics v lakers finals soulz and sage drinking game 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@x4v13rwulf8]

Yall gotta also remember the 3 pointer became the most efficient shot compared to the mid range and paint around the early 2010s and really started getting traction because of Curry

[@michaelmamba1578]

23:22 ABSOLUTELY. The human body can only do so much

[@lazarussouthard7621]

Bruh your dog moved its head 3 times in 6 mins and went back to the same exact position everytime thought doggo was fake for a min😂

[@danieldaley2372]

The issue is old heads act like there were no flaws withs 80s or 90s basketball, and more games and clips are being uploaded where you can see the truth and make your own choice on the matter. Are some being blown out of proportion absolutely, but the fact the cant handle their heroes in a different light is hilarious. Seeing Magic, Bird, Jordan mess up when these old heads keep saying todays NBA sucks its like are you going to acknowledge this shit? and they just make a ton of excuses like they say we make.

[@ehh2782]

Nobody is acting like the 80/90s didn’t have flaws, it’s just disingenuous to act like today is so amazing compared to back then.

[@danieldaley2372]

@@ehh2782 and yes that's why people are bringing it up cause older heads and people who are brainwashed act like today's players stink and couldn't play back in the day which is foolishness.

[@lcchill]

@@danieldaley2372big facts. I actually watched 90’s basketball and it was amazing to watch, but far too many people romanticize and leave out things when discussing 90s ball!!

[@danieldaley2372]

@@lcchill I watch old games from when I was younger. They use to show games on ESPN Classics, NBA TV, KZbin way back before they started taking things down. And that's all I'm saying I love the old games just as much as today. But when today's is getting bashed at will it's how come there's no mention of these things of the 80s,90s? It's just an unfair comparison and dudes who don't want to let go of their heroes

[@lcchill]

@@danieldaley2372 agreed with everything you said!!

[@chrischen5048]

It's a little weird how we're always dragging old players into the present, and rare (with some exceptions) drag new players into old rules. Most of the time it's "oh they couldn't handle the defense," yeah no, elite players today would be fine - maybe efficiency goes down a bit. But how good are the best handlers if they have to only dribble with their hand on top? We saw some of that when Iverson was called for several travels per game in the late 90's. How much is their skill set worth if they're not allowed to use it? That's something I think everyone isn't talking about. It's also a pretty bold assumption to say that all the old players had no bag. It's pretty clear from the Ainge clip that he had a bag, he just wasn't allowed to use it. I'm sure some of those skills atrophy from lack of use, but if you gave them free reign to do what they want, I'm sure a lot of role players and stars would adapt perfectly fine to new rules. Personally, I just thought the "we done with the 90's thing" to be just another metaphor for the GOAT debate that should have ran its course by now if not for the media building it up constantly.

[@paquinraino8180]

I love how people forgot that the Bucks run a double big since 2019 and they won with it

[@YaKUZZiGirlWorldwide]

Top 15 players in 90s would beat todays top 15 today.

[@hembloop3072]

Always remember, common sense aint that common

[@fargonee1]

"im fat"😂

[@johnnysocket76]

15:11 nah this is straight disrespectful ☠☠☠😂😂😂

[@bwink23]

This dude wanted to believe Jordan had no left sooooo bad

[@micapalma9532]

kids of today doesnt even use their common sense. much of "the top ten Best players of all time" are still those who played in the 80's and 90's.

[@lebarbosa9778]

The amount of clips that the next generation will make ti slander the current era will be unmatched. Flops, bigs running away from dunks, olé defense you name it. Its going to be so bad that newer generations will discredit lebron records, they will laugh at kd, harden etc.

[@leechrec]

Eurostep was usually called a travel back then. I seen Dominique do a eurostep and he was called for a travel.

[@Chessheromusic]

I swear when b started saying "when there's a 6"11 guy that can handle , pass , and is athletic.... I was like B are you describing wemby ???

[@luiszapata513]

I was thinking kg if he has freedom with the ball

[@teeghee34]

Paolo

[@debatsessie3151]

In everything the growth slows down, when you first hit the gym you see growth fast, 2 years in you see an improvement ever 6 months maybe

[@Morfeis]

We’re in the era now where I believe the evolution is slowing

[@DanielGarcia-gr2hx]

BSolz was so disappointed when it turned out Mike had a left 💔

[@oneautumnleaff2119]

"Mj has a left hand" "He also has more than double the turn overs"

[@iluvcakes19]

He is also better with his left than others are with both 😂😂

[@sunshine_zammy]

Last year i decided to watch the 60's lakers vs celtics finals and i will say jerry west was fkn cookin

[@Roshiez]

can we just appreciate the longevity of raymond felton for once

[@SonnyK248]

One of the biggest things you notice in the 80's and 90's was how much shooting threats were just not a thing. It didn't matter if you were a perimeter defender or a big, everyone was protecting the basket at all costs. You see a guy 15 feet from the rim or less and his defender is just trying to stop a drive. He's standing as far back as he can with his hand's out as far as possible. This was defending back then. Just protect the rim. Today if you do that it's basically an open shot and for most players that open shot can be anywhere up to the three point line. If you try to block the shot then they can just fake and dribble past you. There is no easy option you just have to hope the one you go with is the right one. And there are multiple guys on all the rosters that can do this. It's why players back then didn't score less because of great defense, it was because of poor offence. The defenders today would be in heaven back then only having to worry about guys going to the rim. And not only that, there are guys on the floor who are literally offence negative as in you don't even have to look over your shoulder for them because no one will pass them the ball because their entire role on the team is offball. You take out the biggest gun and the next two guys might get 20 points between them on their best day. Today we have Bradley Beal as a third option 😂

[@roscoeorginal]

W Highroller

[@RyandracusChapman]

In the grand scheme of the evolution of technology or a skill set, I agree that diminishing returns do eventually become a factor. A product/technology or skill sees exponential growth in its infancy, but the growth will eventually flatline to a constant if not flat growth rate as we reach the pinnacle of said skillset or technology. The advancements are slow, and it becomes harder and harder to reach the upper echelon of the highest of players. In return, it makes the pioneers look like fools. We see this in video game speed running communities unfold so often. The strategies to complete a map rapidly change until one strategy is considered most optimal, the strategies of yesterday in RETROSPECT seems foolish or naive when you're accustomed to the more modern ones.

[@E4MB]

Kobe dropped 60 is his last game in mf 2016, ion even wanna hear it 😂😂

[@duanelondon6152]

Gil just said Kobe was the first to work on individual skills. But then oh no that doesn’t make him better.

[@rudimerm7686]

@@duanelondon6152 Don't take what Gil says seriously. The man trashed his career by bringing guns into the workplace.

[@duanelondon6152]

@@rudimerm7686 oh yeah you right to.

[@jeishua]

The game will become revolutions every 3-5 years, and becoming more focused on positions, or tactics or strategy, or some other aspect that will change how everyone views basketball. Maybe formations (extreme structure) VS total ball (where everyone interchanges positions)

[@JuggaloSupreme]

The 90s were better because the best player made us go, "Wow, amazing!" Now we're told the best player is the one flopping, complaining & standing around on D.😂

[@awdrpepper]

This brother actually casually slipped Erik Satie into a basketball video...

[@TSnow-bo7yn]

We done with we done we done with the 90s

[@davidososeuduehi748]

that dog is so fxcking cuuuute

[@alod247]

The NBA and basketball as a whole has already reached its zenith of its natural evolution. Everything from the 2010’s on is a “genetically modified version” where the rules are heavily influencing how the game functions and evolves. European players are growing up closer to the “old style” of basketball then come over and dominate with the “easier” NBA. The modern NBA is the only time in history where European players would say it’s harder in the Euroleague than the NBA.

[@86lanzo]

One thing I've learned from playing guitar is Legends..true legends elevate everything that comes after them.. Go and learn a Jimmy Hendrix or SRV song...and sometimes you might be a little bit underwelmed at what you see.. However the reality is..they were such legends..that the whole guitaring world adopted their style to the point it raised the overall skill level of all guitarist..and we show them respect.. Its the same with sports...guys like MJ..came and showed how go play they game..now we have hundreds of guys doing MJs moves . Curry comes and show step back 3s now we have 100s of dudes who can do step back 3.. It feels like its only in basketball do the fans pit todays players against the giants sholders they're standing on.

[@Nightmare-we8vm]

I think the increase in talent was inevitable. Every time we see the league boom in popularity, a jump in talemt usually follows. This happened after Wilt and Russell, Bird and Magic, and Jordan and the Dream Team. We are in the era following a 72 win Warriors squad that made Golden State a big market within the NBA.

[@riezexeero7392]

This is actually juat happening becaus3 of diehard Lebron fans. Who started calling old players "plumbers".

[@detroitpistonsplayoffs]

Skill in the league is going to continue to improve as the pipeline from elementary school to the NBA becomes more rigorous. I think we are due for another huge leap in skill once/if children are allowed to play professionally like they are in Europe. Once you squeeze all of the juice out of that pipeline we will finally see the skill level plateau. I also want to note that this explosion in skill is a very recent development, the league was not this talented in 2016. There were not 30 unstoppable scorers in the league in 2016.

[@apollorivers]

That boy Trae Nice😭

[@Supreme36074]

We still done with the 90’s …

[@danielantoine5063]

The first time they saw a player being different from them was MJ and Larry called him Jesus in sneakers and the rest of the league was scared of him. I wonder what he would’ve called Curry shooting from half court like it’s regular, handled crazy as hell

[@Pochitaman30]

Larry's skillset? Well pretty much everything. He wasnt a great ball handler but he did have a bag. He can post up, fadeaways, pull ups and he even had a step back or a side step in the 80s. Larry was ahead of his time

[@ClickinUp]

51 turnovers on 1,074 moves is not a weakness.

[@alexsmith3598]

I think what keeps happening most importantly is the floor of competition increases. There are tons of players today I would think could get 30ppg if they were allowed freedom. Not saying Luka isn't deserving, but he can literally take any shot he wants to. He certainly earns that freedom, but there are tons of players that could get high numbers if they had a green light. If certain stars didn't get 30% of possessions as basic stand around isos. Some players get freedom but the floor is really good. If you can't score with both hands, it's noticed and you'll be out of the league. All you do is defend? See Andre Roberson if you want to say they don't play defense anymore. If all you can do is play defense and score from inside 3 feet, you're out. You have to be such a great player on offense because if you don't need to be guarded on offense, it's 4 on 5. If you are great on defense, they'll force a switch.

[@matchesmbp999]

Yall got cooked 😂

[@kettlemypedals]

literally was watching that video like “maaaaant can’t wait for BSOLZ reaction to this”

[@lloyddaking6024]

22:17 SOLZ gets into a very interesting topic here that’s very introspective lol. Keep doing the pauses 🫡

[@YoMrRice]

So you say his left was a weakness after being shown it's not, then 10 seconds later gets shown how much more proficient Jordan was than modern players and chose not to walk back that statement. I cannot wait for the year 2044. I'll be 63 and talking so much shit about Steph Curry and his weak ass logo shot making ability because it was a weakness and they are less skilled than modern players who play 44 games a year and no longer required to dribble...

[@michaelmamba1578]

5:07 🤣🤣🤣🤣this was hilarious

[@F1nalB0zz]

the problem with all these "skills" of today is that all of the things that are having considered skills would be illigal back in the day, its not that they couldnt do it before its that they werent allowed to, so you cant say theyre more skilled especially when you consider that fundamentals are basicly lost now

[@martelljhixson]

You saw clips of Euro steps in the 90s and they called travel.

[@julianbrown-priceman8163]

So what I think happened with the evolution recently was Steph made every team favor the 3ball over any other shot. The 3pt average increased dramatically for every team and they saw after the last 5 chips that the 3 should still get most of the open looks but teams are reverting back to running the schemes through the big and PG again. With the increased efficiency of the 3 ball strategy is slowly becoming the forefront since the skill level has gotten better. I still believe more defensive rules need to be implemented but moving forward this era could be the best basketball to be played, even with the diminishing returns.

[@collarbone5018]

Bring back the physicality of the game and you'll see how the numbers and percentages drop.

[@glovs4188]

Some players can transcend multiple eras. Put hakeem with his 94 skillset. Imagine AD on defense and a smaller but quicker more explosive embiid on offense.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

Despite the fact that wilt played against the second most HOF player at his position(only behind kareem and parish, which he played 7 years less than both) He PLAYED THE MOST TOTAL GAMES against another hof center….see list below lol (mind you these are their barefoot heights, in the modern NBA you would add 1-2 inches to their height, as players have been measured in their shoes only after 1977) C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons) C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons) C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons) C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons) C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons) C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons) C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season) C-Elvin Hayes:6’9 “ HOF (22 games played in 4 seasons) (Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’7) (26 times in 5 seasons) (Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons) (Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons) (please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are 6’8 to 6’9) SO THATS 574 OUT OF 1045…WHICH TRANSLATES TO 54% OF WILTS GAMES BEING PLAYED AGAINST ANOTHER HOF CENTER…

[@plothaki]

The Steph vs Kobe argument is not disrespectful at all. They are very close as offensive weapons

[@ebenezeronile]

But not defensively

[@Stunt877]

@@ebenezeronilebruh that’s mainly because curry is still a point guard and physically not on Kobe’s level lol.

[@ebenezeronile]

@@Stunt877 Then tf you explain guys like Chris Paul, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd who were great perimeter defenders as guards. Gary Payton who was a point guard and a inch taller than Curry guard 6’5-6’6 Jordan occasionally on different possessions and hold his own.

[@bboywolf]

curry clears offensively... kobe was a good defender at best while steph is average at best. they're both in the lower top 10

[@cobra7282]

@@bboywolf Kobe was an elite defender in his prime. Only wasn't when he was young at like 18-20 and when he got older into his early to mid 30s or so.

[@stephorelse]

20:15 I mean Solz you just described Lebron 3.0, what do you want us to say at this point 😭

[@calvin1559]

It really just depends on what they do with the rules and sport science technology PEDs could also reasonably become accepted in professional sports within 20 years as they become safer and more efficient

[@yourordinarystranger366]

how is turning the ball over 36 times over 120+ a weakness?

[@bigboyflubbins]

"If Larry Bird grew up with a 3pt line, he might have been the greatest long range shooter ever" I wna point out that Steph, for example, being as good of a shooter as he is, is partly a result of the 3pt line being a part of the game for decades. Give any sport TIME, and it will get better. Many kids born in the 80s grew up with a 3pt line, but we didn't get a shooter like Steph until just over a decade ago. Skills need time to develop, and they develop through experimentation from players from each generation such as Bird, Reggie, Ray all the way up until Steph.

[@staywoke9172]

Bruh Draymond has more 3s than Larry Bird

[@bigboyflubbins]

@@staywoke9172 did you even read my comment?

[@Adiluka999]

bro did not watch the video

[@twilitezn]

@@staywoke9172 Bird barely averaged ONE 3PA per game for his first six years, and once he started to take it more seriously, and took closer to three 3PAs, he was averaging around 40%....Dray has taken slightly more, averages closer to 32%.

[@bbcpfghs]

Yup…old heads tend to make up hypotheticals and “What if” questions to try and argue against things that have actually happened in reality, and not hypothetically. This is probably my biggest pet peeve when talking about basketball or really anything dealing with the idea of “evolution” in general.