K-POP FEMALE VOCALS UPDATE! - 「 LOONA Yves, CIGNATURE Chaesol 」

*faq regarding nmixx latest materials* for those who are questioning either lily did or not produced resonance, personally, it’s a no. it’s bright and the vowel is nice but not there for resonance yet even if not far off imo *jinni* showed a much closer grasp at proper support in the crazy in love cover, that’s why she rated above sullyoon atm. *jiwoo* is still being considered but i can say she will not fall too off sull. thank you all for notifying here whenever there’s new stuff out, it’s much appreciated!

[@akukuayam9019]

kyujin, jinni, sullyoon, and jiwoo are like running circle now 😅.

[@breats4703]

@@akukuayam9019 FR tho, lol. "One shows improvement then the rest have to as well"

[@mwtn6941]

@@breats4703 they left bae alone 😭😭😭

[@breats4703]

@@mwtn6941 because bae is falling in love with throaty approach lol.

[@thek-nerd3143]

@@breats4703 Bae will get higher eventually we just need to encourage her to keep singing

[@lolerinu]

Yessss I am so glad you included Cignature's Chaesol!!! She's underrated. In her vlog posted just 2 days ago, she belted a powerful C5 note in practice!

[@oceanwave_]

Regarding Lily and Haewon’s cover of Let It Go, I listened to the cover again and there was also ANOTHER moment where Lily almost produced resonance when she sang the word “blast” in the bridge 😳 (Until she added the vibrato lol.) She and Haewon are sooo close to producing resonance, forever rooting for the two main vocalists of the 4th gen!

[@hki9724]

For me personally, Lily's C#5 singing LIG is the resonance. Awesome, congrats girl, keep doing better

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

Felt like if Lily breathed a little deeper and prepared a bit more before the note, she would've definitely had a running chance for producing resonance. She was really showing off that fullness she has in the 5th octave during the live. Haewon and Lily are like borderline reaching resonance like just a little more bestie you can do it 😭🙏🏿

[@akukuayam9019]

While both Lily and Haewon are so close to producing a resonance sound. I'm hoping for Lily to improve her support on the A4-C5 range, like a bit more fuller would do her a wonder. And for Haewon to fix her pitch issues when phrasing in the 5th octave, though it's not a huge problem for her because support is still good. Her Eb5 also carried some support, not bad.

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

Other than technical skill, NMIXX have such a strong sense of musicality. Even though they were playing around most of the time during the karaoke live, they kept experimenting around with harmonies and ad libs. Not only Lily and Haewon, but the other members (especially Kyujin and Sullyoon) would join in to do harmonies and ad libbing while other members sang.

[@mwtn6941]

They really love to sing and they are having fun doing what they love. It's such a flex to be an nswer lol

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

You’re so right

[@oceanwave_]

Yep agreed, Sullyoon and Haewon changing up the notes in the pre-chorus in DTNA showcases one of many great examples of their musicality!

[@mwtn6941]

I think Kyujin did great in their vlive aside from Lily and Haewon. Her best covers were Lonely, which she also sang in her predebut days and the other one is the day 6 cover she did with haewon. I think she really is their 3rd best vocalist and she's still so young!

[@mwtn6941]

Bae did better in her own vlive last night imo. She did great in their LA busking behind the scene video where they sang why so lonely. I hope she sings like that again.

[@gabep8340]

i wish yves was promoted as a vocalist more

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

Another member I didn't expect to get gagged by was miss Sul Yoon A. There were times where she sounded albeit shallow here and there but there were so many moments where she was so STRONG. She's so confident with her singing capabilities. I noticed her sounding significantly stronger in AIIYL, I Got A Boy (the part before the beat change "Oh woah eh oh~") and certain times where she would ad lib and harmonize with a member.

[@yejisolostan5456]

Guys, today we will have more vocal content from NMIXX ! We are getting a karaoke vlive

[@oceanwave_]

Yesss finally more singing content! Maybe Jiwoo can finally land in the ranking with all the new singing material, her recent vocal performance in that wedding song really impressed me.

[@Seranir11]

I actually think Yves is underrated she's main dancer and people always talk about Chuu, Haseul, Jinsoul vocals

[@breats4703]

Since she doesn't get a vocal challenging part. That's why she is underrated

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@Loona the world and Chuu now it is clear. Orbits won’t like it though

[@marquersurlalune]

@Loona the world in whole loona i think

[@a.t.6610]

@@breats4703 To be fair, she didn't use to handle "vocal challenging parts" all that well in the past. Her old C#5s on 'new' (live) were very very bad. You have to remember that Yves that made a lot of progress in 2021-2022 mostly, which is when she surpassed Chuu (mostly just in terms of consistency, but still), but before that it made sense to let other girls handle the challenging parts within the 5th octave. In LOONA's last "official" single (Luminous) in 2022 - which was without Chuu - it's Yves who does the climax of the song (although it's not very high), so maybe this is something they were gearing up towards too : showcasing her more vocally.

[@-ricky190]

when you make another video like this you should check out minseo (solo) and seea (pink fantasy),they're really good singers!

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

My sister in christ Bae... A lot of times during the live she was obviously playing around (like that trot song or her mini duet with Haewon) and wasn't singing as seriously as the others, but golly she seriously needs to loosen up on the throatiness. It made it sound like her voice only had two modes of singing, either airy or throaty 😭

[@skyline6242]

not kpop related but if anyone is familiar with FLO (the new British girl group) & Chloe x Halle what would be their vocal tiers according to KVA system?

[@primarinegaming6761]

Chloe and Halle are a-aa I think, idk about flo but they’re very new anyways

[@eternalregard]

please I'm obsessed with FLO 😭✨

[@lavidasintea6561]

@@primarinegaming6761 what are their supported ranges?

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

WHEWWW finally an update.

[@nomorenoise2374]

some people in the comments are saying Lily’s C#5 is resonant but I’m second guessing for some reason. I feel like her C5 in O.O was more open..

[@divaqueening1940]

Its just beautiful support and well projected. Guys, lets stop overusing the term resonance. Its more than what we think of it.

[@greedgens2714]

@@divaqueening1940 thats definitely resonance

[@Taeyeon89]

@@greedgens2714 it’s not at all. It was nice and Open but it’s not resonant

[@t.t296]

Lily definitely created C#5 resonance in let it go

[@inyochayacha548]

Resonance??? Seriously??

[@bigmamafan1773]

its still lack this roudness and fullness, but its a bright open vowel with minimal pushing, not that far...

[@flowerbit4137]

My two ult groups yass 😍

[@puppetter1720]

Haelyyy singg let ig goo >>>>>>>>>

[@sosmiss9147]

Hei, I want to give you a suggestion for the next vocal analysis video, I'm curious about the vocals of kpop bands especially Xdinary Heroes, maybe it's better to wait a month or two in the future due to material limitations and they will start their first comeback next week. You can make for all Kpop bands if possible.

[@Traevis-152]

I heard the two vocalists are average I think?

[@puppetter1720]

Since haely sing let it go i have thought that i want try to sustain a notes lol and i want to ask you guys how about me when i sustain a nots? Is it a bit flat? Or to pushy or throaty ? and did u think the second clip is better than the first or its is same ? Since idk how to differentiate it lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6mxhYmZrLypqq8

[@days3164]

i think sullyoon and kyujin should already enter Average tier, and jiwoo to higher w-a because in example sullyoon didnt really show any shallow moments in the vlive im pretty sure

[@quanrui-e9v]

someone on bird app said lily's C#5 in let it go was resonated? can someone confirm

[@t.t296]

Lily definitely created C# 5 resonance in let it go

[@inyochayacha548]

Wow!! Even Wendy didn't achieve resonance (if I'm not wrong). Lily is the future Ailee of Kpop industry

[@days3164]

@@inyochayacha548 wendy did achieve resonance, its just inconsistent

[@divaqueening1940]

More like supported with more projected quality than resonant.

[@divaqueening1940]

@@days3164 no, wendy never achieved resonance on her whole career

[@divaqueening1940]

So this Kwangya Group thingy will be a new app from SM. Its similar to vlive, tho only SM artist are using it. So I hope this is the start of aespa showing more contents😭 And their Fanmeeting is on July 30 and they spoiled performing YEPPI YEPPI. Oh pls, I hope they sang live this time

[@kaushikidhupar2954]

Kwangya really😭😭 why do they have to insert kwanygya everywhere hope they get opportunity content as nmixx do but I doubt it knowing sm On a side note looks like hybe and sme both companies are in a rivalry with hybe stealing away Minhi jeen (their directer) and there groups isolating from other apps they definitely have bad blood between them

[@kaushikidhupar2954]

Yeppi yeppi is their best song so yayyyy

[@divaqueening1940]

@@kaushikidhupar2954 ikr. Well its their trademark that made them sell and gain money so they really need to keep that😶

[@yeoni1020]

Ya'll was Lily's Eb5 on Let It Go (Let the storm rage on~) supported?

[@days3164]

yes i think

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

Yeah, she just didn't sustain it to its fullest.

[@boppop717]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya so after showcasing their vocals in vlive, what current supported range does LILY have ? I heard some of her E5 note is supported or some of the random comments say she's supported that note

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@boppop717 It's still the same. And Lily supporting higher than D5/Eb5 is nothing super out of the ordinary as it's common for singers with a strong sense of support to still be able to carry support higher than their usual limit.

[@boppop717]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya ok thanks for the elucidation

[@emm3814]

quick question from a non singer here: how do you recognize a supported note? like genuinely i can tell when a note is strained but never when one is supported

[@sansn7261]

i still can't recognize well supported notes but the thing is that supported one is more "open", the sound is healthy too sometimes, (for me, i don't know if it works like that) u can imagine the note and if it sounds like is stuck in a "box" is not supported (lmao please don't laugh) and the strained ones sounds the opposite. not open, not healthy like is making some hurt, and probably it will sound like they are yelling. hope it works!!

[@puntroo_]

I don't know whether it would be useful or not, but there's some sort of explanation of different notes in the video called "How to rank kpop vocalists" on "srynotsorry" channel

[@yourkpopvocalanalyst]

supported notes sound more relax, crystal clear and open/full with diaphragm control (breath control). some vocalists sound very tight depending on breath control instead of open/full while supporting, in such a situation we call those vocalists inconsistent "x" note like c5

[@yourkpopvocalanalyst]

generally in kpop, vocalists might sound very tight while supporting c5

[@yourkpopvocalanalyst]

so the more advanced a vocalist is, the better/developed in their supported range (depending on their technique)

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

Sooo yeah Dreamus company (JYP's music distributor) recently registered Nmixx for a digital single and a digital album and I'm kinda going fucking nuts. The single is for the summer program Nmixx is participating in (with Oh My Girl and Fromis 9) where they cover some hit summer kpop songs. And the digital album is definitely for a comeback.

[@breats4703]

May I know when is the program held?

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@breats4703 There's no new info yet! They've only released announcements of the 3 groups being part of the program. I'm gussing they've already finished filming and recording for the show and songs since they already registered the group's covers as digital singles in music sites.

[@breats4703]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya thanks for the info.

[@anemojin4384]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya imagine the materials sootzubae has to edit if those drop.

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@anemojin4384 will be great day for the vocal community

[@mambatheestallion1596]

There will an another SM Concert soon. Hoping for Ningning solo, like her singing "Run" Live! Shes the main vocal but she aint doing main vocal things🙄

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

still mad that run isn't released as an actual song like...

[@mambatheestallion1596]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya its not actually her song. The original version is more mellow and soft but sm raised the key and reproduced it to fit for ningning

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@mambatheestallion1596 Oh whattt I always thought it was an og song that was given to NN for her synk video. They should do a remaster/remake thing (since SM loves doing that) and let her sing her own version and release and official audio for ir.

[@divaqueening1940]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya wouldn't u believe it. This is the original version, it supposed to be sad and tragic but SM's rendition made the vibe different to a disney like worthy song. I like Ningning's version more tho😃 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ-Yc5SggdGCl8k

[@hexawira7134]

Does anyone here know Dreamnote? I've heard that Lara and Miso can support C#5. What tier they would be? A-AA?

[@felixprism]

FIRST! as usual 😉

[@lolerinu]

aw Chaesol dropped a rank? I think Cignature Semi belted a C6 in C9's latest Christmas album teaser in their channel. I'm hoping you could help me figure out whether it is really belted or headvoice XD. She also did a couple D6 falsettos lol.

she’s still W to A but she did drop a few places. i can help you identify that if you link it with time stamp, sure~

[@lolerinu]

@ the climb here from 1:10 to 1:14 KZbin link > /6NjaBNSVw0o

[@lolerinu]

@ sorry, pinging you just in case you missed my previous reply >_

@@lolerinu i can’t see you previous reply :< perhaps YT deleted because it had a link, i presume. maybe if you copy and paste the video’s title + time stamp~

[@lolerinu]

@ search "2022 C9 Christmas album preview" 1:10 to 1:14 Thx!

[@choowiez1515]

woah chaesol

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

Also no, I don't think Lily's C#5 in Let It Go was resonant. It was just a very open vowel, strongly supported and well projected. Her voice was very "resonant" throughout the live tho, girlie was so damn LOUDDD (projection 😍😍😍)

[@nomorenoise2374]

I thought the same but I’m not in the mood to go back and forth w anyone about it. who knows, it might be resonant or not

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@kaushikidhupar2954 Jiwoo ATE, I didn't expect her to sound that full on a song like Dance Monkey LMFAOAOOAOAOA

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

Crazy how some singers ended up being a lot better than what ppl assumed when we actually took the time to rllt analyze their material. Didn't expect Yves to actually be the strongest vocalist in Loona.

[@hexawira7134]

She's stronger than chuu?

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@hexawira7134 Yep!

[@choowiez1515]

could you do a vocal analysis of lunarsolar members? they're vocal based group

[@duongang4333]

Can some one tells me cignature members supported range

[@nomorenoise2374]

I watched the let it go cover again and I just realized Haewon had a nice Eb5. Idk how I missed it or myb I just ignored it but what do we say about it? does it carry support??

[@oceanwave_]

Wait I’m dead we were so impressed by Lily’s sustained and supported C#5 that we totally ignored poor Haewon’s Eb5 💀 But to answer your question yes it was supported as well

[@anemojin4384]

I haven't seen astro vocalist being ranked in such videos can anyone tell me where they would rank and what are their supported range?

[@wadianasty2123]

this channel mostly focus on gg, you should consider asking this to YEOUN or Himi

@@wadianasty2123 that is it @YEOUN @Himi hook up peers

[@anemojin4384]

@@wadianasty2123 ah ok cus i've come across people here rating bgs too so i tried my luck XD (been stanning them recently so yeah)

[@wushyringg]

Just an estimation, MJ somewhere around W-A, Sanha and Moonbin around W.

[@himi_]

@@wushyringg yeah i agree MJ could be somewhere around W-A. He does not sound particularly strong

[@mambatheestallion1596]

New ningning singing content at 2:24 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5OlqmeoaK97rdE

[@withyouonemogen]

who else supports in Cignature other than Chaesol?

[@breats4703]

What group that are you stanning now?

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

Ever think about how Madison Beer is technically the best 4th generation main vocal? As a K/DA member 😭

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@shutdownthedice4913 apparently she is proficient which is 2 tiers above all of them

[@puntroo_]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q according to ally kelly, she is AA-P

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@puntroo_ okay so 1 tier (or the same tier as Lily). Either way Lily is estimated as high AA or low AA-P so I think Madison has the edge for now.

[@puntroo_]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q but there's Nayul, who is surely AA-P. Though, it's debatable to include Madison into kpop vocalists ranking

[@thek-nerd3143]

@@puntroo_ madison has better lows

[@godchaesol]

Chaesol is so underrated 😍

[@divaqueening1940]

Call me weird but Ningning; Singer Artist 🎨 (shes a good at drawing!) Idol Performer Songwriter Composer Guitarist Comedian SM hit a jackpot on her but they are not taking it for granted🙄

[@days3164]

wait she can songwrite and compose??

[@divaqueening1940]

@@days3164 yup she composed one song called "the summer we graduated" Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYWocq1ujphgebs

[@divaqueening1940]

@@kaushikidhupar2954 she is!

[@skyline6242]

she really brings out the flavor in aespa's performance and especially when they do live singing you just can't take your eyes off of her also she is one of those people who can easily pull off any kind of styling

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

she's so mother

[@light_bit]

I know she not even in the group. But, how about the heejin ? Is she the strongest one or chaesol still better ?? (She previously main vocal of gooday, chaesol old group).

[@Forever_2424]

Hey i want to ask question in pixy who is the closest to support i know Ella can support but rather than ella who can support

[@Forever_2424]

@@vintasahi but what is their vocal support i can accept daejong but dia she strains a lot and dajeong carried a whistle note i don't know it was a whistle or her head voice in breath

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@Forever_2424 I always thought Dajeong was the 2nd best in the group. But I’m also super biased since I am obsessed with her vocal tone lol

[@Forever_2424]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q i think dajeong is an exception to be the second best cause dia strains a lot during higher section i have noticed these in their song breadth and deja vu at least dajeong can carry a high note at certain level if you will listen their song breadth dajeong carried a whistle note

[@KittyTsundere]

Okay, not related to the groups mentioned or 4th gen, but can Wheein and Hwasa of MAMAMOO can be considered non-fringe high A-AA or mid-high A-AA? They're pretty high up there in that tier, but I think there are vocalists like Kei, NingNing, and Minseo (apparently) who are technically better than both of them (and also consider the guys as well lol...like how high is BTOB Changsub btw, he sounds like he can be better than both of them too aside from his jaw issues from what I've seen from his collar with Solar in one of the Solarsido videos lmao) and also considering Wheein's quite light approach and issues/inconsistencies with B4/C5 and Hwasa's quite messy approach and even inconsistencies within her supported range as well (also Wheein >= Hwasa to me too), so idk lol.

[@zekerh8936]

I'd still say Wheein is a bit higher on the A-AA list, she can still pull off some phrased C#5s alright enough and she's not bad if she puts in the effort. Hwasa wouldn't be too far away. I'm not sure Minseo and Ningning would be ahead of Wheein. Depends actually, she has her moments. Changsub is mid-high ish A-AA for me. He's pretty good already, he just goes into his throat wayyy too often. It's a bit rarer to hear a good, clean G4. But aside from that, he's fine.

[@Girlsaregirling09]

NingNing (nd maybe alao Minseo) is weaker than Wheein nd Hwasa, her coordination is way too soft and she is often inconsistent. Hwasa has A3-B4/C5 with occasional resonance, she did not regress lol she just got more stylistic but she was always inconsistent with C5, since debut, right now she is not really putting any effort nor is she singing challenging songs, so ofc she wouldnt need to produce resonance or to focus that much on technique, pretty much same thing Wheein except that her mix is more free nd she actually regressed czz her coordination nd diaphragmatic engagment are both considerably weaker, she still is consistent with G#3-C5 imo tho, she can sound stuck on B4 czz of her stylistic choices of placing the sound in her nose or adding unnecessary air to her singing, but its not somethinh that is CONSISTENTLY present in her live singing. I think both Hwasa nd Wheein are just chilling with their music honestly, Wheein should rest her voice nd take lessons imo

[@SuAmazing]

Cignature oh, i din't remember this group until now what happend to them?

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

Nothing happened. They had a comeback at the end of last year and had a member change. They’re still amazing though!

[@SuAmazing]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q Oh, this is good

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@SuAmazing although C9 is still treating them horribly. They just aren’t receiving the same treatment as the 2 boy groups in the company 😔

[@SuAmazing]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q Oh T-T

[@bibignijunkyu6500]

Not KPOP related but do y'all know what is Morissette Amon supported range and her tier?

[@foreveryoungblink8545]

@Random ?????

[@foreveryoungblink8545]

@Random she's AA-P. She has some moments in Eb5 or E5 but it's not consistent. Also her lows are prolly consistent only at G#3/G3 with some moments below

[@foreveryoungblink8545]

@Random perhaps but consistent in F5?? I doubt that

[@foreveryoungblink8545]

@Random can you refer me to some clips of her improvement?

[@Taeyeon89]

@Random not supported

[@user-iw5ff1vx5o]

asking this unrelated question: which vocal tier is Hyolyn in? Proficient? Good? Thank you in advance!!

[@culturedswine4003]

Proficient to good

[@woodzyoungerbrother1214]

Basically Chaesol is unofficial Main Vocalist lol.

[@godchaesol]

Technically they don't have official positions so in a way she is a main vocalist 😉

[@viniciusdabel]

2 coisas: 1. o que é um supported vocal ? 2. como é ser o melhor canal do seu nicho?

canto apoiado é como nos referimos ao canto com técnica respiratória correta, em suma. muito obrigado!

[@mixxtopia4930]

FINALLY

[@kaushikidhupar2954]

Someone mentioned that haewon is using 5th octave in the song 365 by Ali (sorry I tried linking it's not working) and she doesn't sound flat or anything in fact she sounds good but then I someone else mentioning that she tends to be flat in 5th octave can you please analyse that clip I am kinda confused there lol😓

[@divaqueening1940]

She doesnt sound bad on 5th octave for me.

[@zekerh8936]

She can be a bit flat when she phrases the 5th octave, but in the 365 cover, it's mostly head voice in that area and it's completely fine in pitch.

[@divaqueening1940]

No encore for this era and this is Nayeon's fault! /j XD

[@aedc17]

😭😭

[@AB-yk2pq]

No live preformances and this is SM fault😭

[@d.o3675]

@@AB-yk2pq 🫡😭😭

[@divaqueening1940]

@@AB-yk2pq im expecting alot on their fanmeeting showcase and their japan showcase. Aswell as SM Concert! Im so desperate for their live vocals. And the fact that I keep rewatching their coachella performances and previous encores.

[@AB-yk2pq]

@@divaqueening1940 If Japan doesn't save us from this drought, I don't know what will. I'll never understand why they don't even have covers as group.

[@lolerinu]

Wait....were you from kpopvocalanalysis? They stopped the ranking there, but seems the tradition is still ongoing here XD. Btw where is 1:24 from? C9 seems to have cut out the part of the vlive which contains this cover.

[@lolerinu]

Never mind, I found the video on twitter. C9 cut if off because her voice cracked lol. Her voice sounds velvety when she support it well!

@@lolerinu she had some phlegm so she was off very hard lol that’s why this whole portion is chopped through and through lmao oh no i was not on the Kva team ahah only an enthusiast

[@lolerinu]

@ Yeah too bad about the phlegm.... it could have been one of her best vocal performances haha. I see, all power to you then XD your channel has some interesting stuff. I'm also glad to see where Chaesol stands, hopefully she improves down the road.

@@lolerinu i would still argue this had her better attempt on the Bb4 ~ B4 but yeah, could’ve been much cuter sadly ahah thank you so much! ^^

[@kaushikidhupar2954]

Haewon's 4th octave according to what I have read is full and amazing but she lacks in the 5th octave her approach is wrong for that amd above c#5 her chestier approach hinders her . Right?

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

A chestier approach might obstruct her ease up there and it might encourage the tendency to push out notes, but Haewon in general is still able to keep a full and focused sound up to C#5 and D5 at times.

[@puntroo_]

Considering their supported ranges, what tiers are they in? I guess Chaesol is W-A but I'm not sure

[@mixxtopia4930]

Both are in W-A.

[@puntroo_]

@@mixxtopia4930 Does that mean Yves > Chuu? Orbits are gonna send us death threats after this

[@mixxtopia4930]

@@puntroo_ Yes, but they fall into the same category tho.

[@asher51db]

@@puntroo_ as an orbit give us credit😭 we know yves is a better vocalist

[@puntroo_]

@@asher51db I'm sorry If I offended you. I was mostly joking (or talking about the toxic side of your fandom or such people who think that a main is always better than a lead)

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

?!?!??!?!??!?!?! okay wtf why didn't sm send aespa to mcountdown this week 😭😭😭 two wins in a row and no encore for any of them

[@unima1942]

aespa will perfom in music bank tomorrow! they don't show in MCountdown and winter is sick a few days ago!

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@unima1942 ohhhh i just saw winter got sick.

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@kaushikidhupar2954 So true like I don't think I've seen an SM group that hasn't been allowed to show all their potential as early as a 2 year old group. SM is seriously so constricting when it comes to aespa.

[@divaqueening1940]

Each sm group have different managements, it just so happen that aespa was on that bad management side🙃 Which is what I dont understand, i have no idea what is SM's target on aespa. It seems to me that they become so confident bcs aespa BOOMED that fast in short period of time. Why cant they promote them as the normal rookie group out their. Im so pissed on the way they manage aespa considering its their newest artist ugh!

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@divaqueening1940 Man like, all their other groups got so many opportunities to showcase their skills (collabs, covers, special stages) even after like 4~5 years into their career. Yet, we're just about to reach the 2 year mark with aespa and SM is already policing their every single move 🙁

[@AB-yk2pq]

Am I only one who feels that Bae and Jisoo have similarities? I know Bae is stronger since she has sense of support but both Jisoo and Bae tends to get throaty or nasal, while they have interesting tones that are hit or miss really. A bit darker I'd say.

[@foreveryoungblink8545]

Wtf are you talking about??? It's Jiwoo who has some sense of support. Bae gets left behind a bit the 4 (Sullyoon,Jinni,Jiwoo,Kyujin)

[@AB-yk2pq]

@@foreveryoungblink8545 Bae does have sense of support, it's inconsistent and shallow but she has it. People commented many times how her support would get better if she was less throaty.

[@foreveryoungblink8545]

@@AB-yk2pq Oh shit sorry. I misread your comment. I thought you said Jiwoo and I'm aware Bae has support but shallow

[@loydrain2432]

Hybe just drop a mv for their new girl group called NewJeans.Check it out and please tell me if they have potential (vocal support) so i can stan them or not.

[@mixxtopia4930]

They just released a song, chill...

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

lmaooo???? chill out they literally just popped out of nowhere like 10 hours ago

[@woodzyoungerbrother1214]

Please let the girls breath🤡💀

[@mixxtopia4930]

@Random I was wrong, this is their pre-debut material

[@thek-nerd3143]

Don’t decide if you stan a group because of whether or not they support, stan them because you like their music

[@caryn3503]

Who is the best out of lisa, momo, and yeri? I know they are all non vocalist, but still, i am so curious lol

[@puntroo_]

It's almost senseless to rank non-vocalists imho

[@SakusaHusband]

Lisa > Momo Lisa Was Less Airy And Nasal along with more Openess

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

Yeri>Lisa>Momo for sure.

[@foreveryoungblink8545]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q I agree though I'm still torn between Lisa and Yeri. What makes Yeri better than Lisa for you? Lisa seems to have better placement (more forward) than Yeri who's nasal

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@foreveryoungblink8545 honestly I think they are really close so you can argue Lisa>Yeri, especially since they are non-vocalists. I agree about the placement and I’d also add that Lisa has a generally cleaner sound. But I prefer Yeri’s sense of pitch ig (this is what I typically rank non-vocalists on which is why they are both ahead of Momo for sure and why JYP picked Yeji as lead vocalist instead of Yuna or Chae).

[@simp4matt587]

Hi sootzubae is lily getting closer to be a proficient vocalist , her let ut go cover in their vlive is so good and she officially achieved resonance her C#5 and Eb5 there is resonceeee omg

[@simp4matt587]

@@vintasahi her C#5 is fully resonant l The audio quality is bad that's why it doesn't sound fully resonant

[@bigmamafan1773]

@@simp4matt587 nah, its still lack roundness compared to Taeyeon/Eunji and even Baek Yerin, its not bad though.

[@breats4703]

@@bigmamafan1773 want to know your opinion about the W-A girls in that Vlive. Do you think they're average-worthy now? (Except Jiwoo and Jinni).

[@mixxtopia4930]

Not resonant.

[@bigmamafan1773]

@@breats4703 No, I don't think it's enough yet.

[@choowiez1515]

can someone tell me what's songsun tri.be supported range? is she in w-a?

[@Max-ly2tj]

I have the same question, to me she seems to be weak average, but not too sure I would also like to know which members of tri.be supports

[@choowiez1515]

@@Max-ly2tj i hope someone will make a video about it 😭

[@Max-ly2tj]

@@choowiez1515 yes its a shame there are not too many people talking about tri.be habilites 😭 like im convinced hyunbin is one of the best rappers of 4th generation and I barely seen someone mentioning her like😭😭😭

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@Max-ly2tj I have the same feeling that she could be low average but I’m not sure. Also Hyunbin is such a great rapper

[@choowiez1515]

@@Max-ly2tj yup she can rap really well, the only thing i really waiting for her is to make her own rap. ik she will do it in the future 😢

[@luizizn165]

Not related but what tier would Demi Lovato be?

[@KittyTsundere]

@Czennen I would say solid A-AA. I would not put her anywhere in AA at all considering her mix (esp at B4/C5) as you said lmao. ***EDIT: and I don't recall anything notable about her lows either to compensate for her mix lol.

[@divaqueening1940]

But in prime, shes around the higher part in Above Average right?

[@hiiuma729]

@@divaqueening1940 Probably yes.

[@cutiieeepatootieee2002]

@@divaqueening1940 yeah she probably is. she has nice opnenness around c5/c#5 back then

[@oceanwave_]

Demi’s consistent supported range is A3/Bb3-B4/C5 if that helps ranking her. Her mix isn’t “horribly strained” but she tends to push and has a chest-dominant mix unless you were talking about outside her supported range lol. Besides Selena Gomez who is obviously in the Weak tier lol, where would the other Disney 92’ liners (Miley Cyrus and Bridgit Mendler) be placed?

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjyfto9338]

oh it was deleted again after editing it ty to the user that tried to help me sjsjsjsjjs i guess there are too many links so yt see the comment as spam, im doing a last try and see if i put all the links comment by comment under this it doesn´t get deleted 💀

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjyfto9338]

karina cover bubble, she is trying to replicate the og artist way of singing so this is kinda stylistic and not very serious but around 1:35 to nearly the end are good b4 idk if this has been analyzed thoo kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaucgnSmgqxnjqM

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjyfto9338]

oh update, yt seem to delete the comments w twitter links i seee, there were a bunch of recent fancalls of karina singing a bruno mars song, ning not singing really serious but i was curious if there was any note that deserves to be highlighted of her recent run fancall, lingo and icu fancall and rain of taeyeon fancall hhahah people should recopilate them in yt videos

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjyfto9338]

ok so i found one clip in yt kzbin.info/www/bejne/ineupGN4gMhlZrc 8:34 winter singing atlantis princess by boa, wondering if there is anything interesting about it hehe

[@Sylvaincks]

Lmaoo i think that was me 💀 , i thought it would work, sorry

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjyfto9338]

oh i found the karina fancall in yt kzbin.infonIz00gzQV_0?feature=share the sound is kinda bad qualitie but she sounds good i thinkk

[@lucymarie9470]

Did Lily support that Eb5 in Let it go?

[@lucymarie9470]

the "let the storm rage on" part

[@oceanwave_]

Yes it was supported, but it wasn’t resonant contrary to the popular opinion.

[@Mimi_lys]

Can Sullyoon support B4 now ?

[@paledangels]

she supported a B4 once

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@d.n.n2267 Karina's B4's aren't exactly full either. It's just chesty and pushy sometimes. The shallowness is even more apparent when there isn't any effects on her voice (just compare how she sounds in their 'live' stages where they use a raw prerecorded track compared to the studio version which has reverb and other EQ magic)

[@unima1942]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya in her Level Karina doing very well compare to Sullyoon, Bb4/B4 karina in my hearing the quality is better.

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@d.n.n2267 Yea I know I was just pointing to that she isn't very full on all her B4's

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@d.n.n2267 ??????? why do these accs below you comment like you 😭😭 are these your accs?

[@divaqueening1940]

I always think Yves is the strongest vocalists on LOONA. And hell, im not wrong!

[@a.t.6610]

Chuu has slightly better and more consistent support (Chuu has supported quite a few A4 and Bb4s as well, Yves is not particularly unique here). Plus, not everything is about support when it comes to technique. Yves is like...flat or pitchy a lot of the times, indicating a fairly poor pitch control (whereas Chuu and Haseul are better there). And her upper register is very undevelopped, she gets extra tight really easily in her falsetto - more than she should be. She does have the second best support in mixed voice in the fourth octave within LOONA. You guys go ahead and do whatever you want with that information.

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@a.t.6610 Yves>Chuu>Haseul>rest of loona I think it’s clear now.

[@paledangels]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q gap between chuu and haseul r not that big, they're only a tier apart

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@paledangels you are correct

[@nomorenoise2374]

I feel like jinni isn’t confident with certain songs. she seems to be louder and puts more effort into songs that she likes. as if it’s your last seems to be a song that she’s conformfable w. I’m not feeling bae singing style, she gets so throaty sometimes… we need the predebut bae to make a return!

[@oceanwave_]

Maybe bc Crazy in Love was in English but AIIYL is in Korean so she felt more comfortable singing that song? Either way she killed it haha Edit: Bae was prob just fking around 🤣 She’s more focused in New Rules though.

[@nomorenoise2374]

@@oceanwave_ that’s probably the case tbh

[@nomorenoise2374]

@@kaushikidhupar2954 jinni bolder approach is definitely inconsistent but I really want bae to go for a better approach for their cb

[@skyline6242]

yeah she has some confidence issue for sure not just with singing but also in their freestyle dance vlive the members had to drag her to the center to make her dance even today haewon had to make sure she got to sing......i hope with time she'll gain confidence like during jypn era both her singing and dancing were WAY better she definitely has the potential

[@nomorenoise2374]

@@kaushikidhupar2954 it’s is really annoying. what annoys me is that I know she has so much potential but goes for stylistic approach which she thinks is appealing

[@nomorenoise2374]

I genuinely feel like Sullyoon and Kyujin (mostly kyujin) are average now. Sullyoon was much fuller w most of her covers and Kyujin maintained that full approach that she has been going for a while now.

[@breats4703]

If that the case then Jinni should be average as well(?) since she is higher than sullyoon in community tab. But, I find Jinni still W-A, cause the inconsistent issue.

[@days3164]

@@breats4703 nope, jinni would be high w-a, even maybe jiwoo passed her

[@nomorenoise2374]

@@breats4703 ​ I just saw, I’m quite surprised she’s above sully. She did sounded fuller in covers like AIIYL and crazy in love.

[@akukuayam9019]

@@days3164 no, you're reaching. jinni can be inconsistent but she has better support when she's trying, it's definitely some confidence issue. i'd argue that jinni supports the best among the 4 w-a up to A4 only, Bb4 is the range where she goes more shallow. jinni can be choppy as well but she can be less shallow kyujin and sullyoon might be above jinni, but not jiwoo. but idk, i feel like those 3 (kyujin, sullyoon, and jinni) rn are running circle around each other.

[@breats4703]

@@akukuayam9019 agree with the Jinni A4. In that range she is less shallow, above that she gets messy

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

Would you argue Yoon and Sieun low W or non-vocalist tier?

[@mixxtopia4930]

Non-vocalist

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@mixxtopia4930 thanks 😊 I wish high up ent believed in vocal trainers because at least 3 of them have potential

[@bigmamafan1773]

I would go low weak but doesn't really matter ...

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@bigmamafan1773 I was making a popular groups vocal ranking that’s why. My final ranking is Aespa>=Nmixx>>Weeekly>>Lesserafim>Fromis>XG>idle>iz*one=loona>Kep1er=ive>Itzy>everglow=stayc>viviz

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@bigmamafan1773 if I classified Yoon and Sieun as low W though then Stayc would be tied with idle since these groups are all very close together but I think them being tied with everglow is more fair

[@michaeltrinta7207]

What... Why do people think Loona is 4th gen?

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

They debuted as a group in 2018.

[@user-qy3zn5pw4l]

only the solos were 3rd gen and even then it was around the end of that era. their ot12 debut was aug 2018

[@yejisolostan5456]

I really think that Yuna is better than Yeji, she seems more relaxed than her, even in their bsides

[@KittyTsundere]

They can be interchangeable among each other ngl since Yuna’s grasp of support is still very weak at best. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@mixxtopia4930]

@@KittyTsundere She doesnʼt support anything HELP

[@KittyTsundere]

@@mixxtopia4930 Which is why I said they’re “interchangeable” and “very weak grasp at best” (just to be very generous).

[@yejisolostan5456]

@@KittyTsundere I wish JYPE give them proper vocal training but we can still hope...

[@KittyTsundere]

@@yejisolostan5456 Oh yea if ITZY can get the NMIXX vocal treatment…oh how we wish…

[@aedc17]

why can't sm at least release a recording behind from aespa, if they dont let them sing live?? is it too much to ask? literally every other group gets behind recording content. WHAT ABOUT AESPA @SMTOWN?

[@thischristmas00]

they did it from dreams come true

[@aedc17]

@@thischristmas00 only because it was a special release. other sm groups get it regularly

[@breats4703]

Damn, BAE really stuck on her throat. Im not able to hear the way she sings like that in a long period.

[@kaushikidhupar2954]

It sounds like dua lipa and I don't like dua lila's voice one bit (can't even listen to her songs except levitating)

[@davidakbar4876]

Righttt nmixx member really need to toldd bae to leave thattt approach cuz its doesn't sound good

[@oceanwave_]

You can tell that she’s very much influenced by Dua Lipa and the way she sings since Dua also has a throaty approach with singing lol. Someone block all of Dua’s songs on Bae’s Spotify for us pls 🤣

[@MoustafaSElHassan21]

Not related but did itzy improve after sneakers??

[@d.n.n2267]

No, not yet (:

[@mambatheestallion1596]

Im suprised majority of singers dont know how to play instruments😳

[@breats4703]

Not sure, but was the E5 supported? Edit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKuck3yQiatlhNU

[@breats4703]

@Random I think so though, so at best she has E5.

[@breats4703]

@ミSHIKAミ ? I asked it tho, I just assume it. But my guess it was supported.

[@breats4703]

@I stan Lina, the resonance queen yes she needs the fuller midrange. Btw, is it just the fuller midrange and low that she needs the most?

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@breats4703 She needs to improve her sound quality in her mix a bit more. As in she needs to put more effort into her mid rnange and have more consistent fullness in her mix. Her lows doesn't really affect her place much but it would be nice to also be stronger in that register.

[@anemojin4384]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya if say, lily improves her mid range quality to likes of solji or better would she move a tier or would just in the upper extreme of aa?

[@divaqueening1940]

aespa can win next week for sure. I hope they attend more music shows bcs i badly wanna get that encore, girls is a good hype song and it really suits for encores😭

[@breats4703]

May I know who is the contender?

[@mambatheestallion1596]

@@breats4703mostly nayeon and now jhope. However, next week, aespa is likely expected to win, they cant win rn bcs Girls just released last friday. Still impressive they are nominated and won 2nd place tho.

[@breats4703]

@@mambatheestallion1596 oh I hope they win. I really wish they sing full song in encore. I need Karina ending sustain😩😫

[@mambatheestallion1596]

@@breats4703 they definetly will. Its already predicted, we only need to win this live voting

[@paledangels]

@@breats4703 well they said they're gonna be singing with helium LOL, so it's not gonna be another proper material. encore is not a proper material either but atleast they were singing properly in encore before this

[@breats4703]

There is a chance that ROOKIE1O1 will comeback with other name lol. Still remember his shady vocal analysis

[@BAZVOCALS]

Oh interesting 👀

[@woodzyoungerbrother1214]

💅🏻

[@eternalregard]

hehehehehehehehehelp

[@skyline6242]

all 4 w-a's of nmixx did pretty well today (though i would love jinni to get more confident) love that for them though bae comparatively is better than most of 4th gen talentwise but compared to her teammates she looks out of place tbh..... dance & stage presence wise it will take some time to improve but vocalwise she can easily improve herself by just ditching trying to sound like dua lipa cause she clearly does have a grasp on support it just her throaty approach is sometimes overwhelmingly unpleasant to hear

[@skyline6242]

i don't mean to call bae a dozen or anything 💀💀 she's FAR from being one it's just other 6 nmixx girls r just a bit too talented

[@AB-yk2pq]

@@skyline6242 Bae needs to improve in a bit of everything, but she's still talented and I believe she will considering what direction NMIXX is taking. And she's what 18? She has time.

[@nai4624]

getting 7 people with at least basic skills in every department nowadays seems kind of impossible lol it's a miracle that jyp managed to do so but i do agree to some extent i hope bae will improve as well

[@andinho2204]

Chaesol is weak to average?

[@yourkpopvocalanalyst]

i think she is actually average because she consistent support in both register, has a good technique (she don't have/living a problem with nasality), has a beautiful range (i think she 3 octave like other kpop vocalists this a standart), has a beautiful stamina and good in agility (especially with lower register)

[@yourkpopvocalanalyst]

so personally, there's no reason chaesol to be weak to average instead average

[@KittyTsundere]

Yeah, she still pretty to a bit shallow in support and a tad airy at times too, but like the effort she put in those Bb4’s and B4’s in the last section of her part at 1:23. She kind of reminds me a bit of Karina in terms of effort except cleaner tbh.

[@bigmamafan1773]

@@yourkpopvocalanalyst She literally sounds quite small and light, I wouldn't say she is safe average at all.

[@bigmamafan1773]

@@KittyTsundere and a bit less full I think

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

aespa just won their 1st trophy BUT THEY WERENT ATTENDING FUCKXKKCKCKCK 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Sylvaincks]

Omg i'm so mad, i was so excited when i saw "Girls 1st Win + Encore", can't believe i got fooled like that lol

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@Sylvaincks RIGHT like i kept searching youtube and on twitter only for me to realize aespa is nowhere to be found on that stage... 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Sylvaincks]

@@zhejiwooinkwangya btw did they just stop promoting on music shows ? They went there like 2 times since their comeback

[@zhejiwooinkwangya]

@@Sylvaincks I think they have one more week of promos (this week)

[@eternalregard]

same 😭