K20 v.s. 3SGTE (Which Is Better?)

[@jeromebrown5744]

The 3sgte is a 2JZ with two less cylinders. 3SGTE ftw!!

[@shahrulhanafi4596]

Jerome Brown Yes my friend , its lighter thn 2jz..... . Real king 2jz is heavy with iron block bullet proof.

[@ilham7345]

@@shahrulhanafi4596 *1FZ-FE has entered the chat*

[@4touchdowns1game29]

Also the 3sgte powered some of the most iconic supras ever. By the late 90s everybody was running the 3sgte supras.

[@Mugen_FB317]

Yeah but the 3sgte was available before the 1jz and 2jz also Toyota restricted the 3sgte because it was faster than the jz engine so they had to restrict the computer on them.

[@Mugen_FB317]

@@4touchdowns1game29 Yeah like the legendary Castrol Supra that was tuned by Tom’s in Japan.

[@toyotafan1234]

I do prefer the the 3sgte because of the cast iron block and the close deck design. It’s cheaper to make more power because you don’t have to sleeve the block. I also like timing belts over chain.

[@bhagvedsingh2147]

Love k series motors! One of the best 4 bangers ever designed.. BUT i would never swap out my 3SGTE... I wish 3sge/gtes had more aftermarket support. My goal for my Altezza is 600whp from a built black top beams 3sge for track.. But a K20 turbo or 4g63 are also possibilities

[@BruceSBenitez]

3SGTE all the way

[@carsond2674]

For me, there's no real reason to go K series for 90% of builds. Both engines make similar horsepower with similar mods. Once you get to the 600+ hp level it's essentially a pissing contest over which one does it better. One thing though is that the 3s tends to have more torque lower in the RPM range than the K series.

[@negativeindustrial]

Carson Dagenhart Setting aside the fact that I’m a Toyota purist, the lack of torque on Honda engines is the major reason I advocate for a 3S over Kseries.

[@HTprototype]

Neg Ative Its not very fair if u compare the torque level between a NA and a turbo engine but NA K series does not hv much torque thats very ture

[@negativeindustrial]

Sergio Aguirre And less torque. Does the K-Series have a turbocharged variant now? Is that what’s in the new Civic Type R?

[@negativeindustrial]

Redline Junkie The guy who made the video ask that we compare them. All I said was I prefer to keep a Toyota engine in my Toyotas. I also said I prefer my engine to produce more torque. I’ve always owned at least one Gen2 3S - usually a rally homologation RC with a steel WRC spec turbo turned up to 20 PSI or more and I’m happy. Going fast in a straight line isn’t my thing. We take our turbo Celicas and MR2s to the canyons in central Texas and race them on the one lane hwys there with a cliff face on one side and steep drop off on the other at speeds between 75-140mph. That combination of adrenaline and fear is like my version of heaven. For that I don’t need 800whp. And the K-series has nothing on a 3S-GTE for the sound they make. I’m glad you prefer the K-series. I truly hope you enjoy it 😉

[@negativeindustrial]

Sergio Aguirre In this comparison, you’re adding a large turbo and all the supporting mods and a full set of bolt-ons to the normally aspirated K-series engine and then comparing it to what? A stock USDM 2nd Gen 3S-GTE? I assume you’re aware there are 5 generations of the 3S-GTE and several WRC Homologation models as well as the engines used for JGTC? Furthermore, TRD has an entire catalog of engine components for the various generations of the engines. HKS has made a full line of cams, MHG, etc etc. there are ECU tuning packages that have been available from all of the major Japanese tuner houses for decades that are directly plug and play and allow for huge HP AND, more importantly, matching torque gains. Were you aware that a 3rd (out of 5) generation 3S-GTE has been proven to make 340WHP )and matching torque - no drop off) with only an intake exhaust and a boost controller? That’s before you take into account the massively upgraded WRC version that added water/methanol injection, anti-lag and a massive W2A intercooler with an integrated heat exchanger spray bar - FROM THE FACTORY! And let’s not forget about the transmission options! So are we talking about a stock for stock comparison (In which case why are we even talking about the K20 at all?) or are we talking about starting with the best 3S-GTE has to offer (Which was available in the MR2) and then factoring in the incredible aftermarket both engines enjoy? It seems to me you want to compare the worst 3S to a highly modified K20 and call the fight. That’s not how this works. I’ve got friends overseas that have been running 800whp GT4’s for nearly two decades now on unopened blocks and transmissions. You’d be surprised. BTW I’m not trying to say the K20 isn’t one of the true Japanese works of automotive art. The thing is crazy impressive. But so is the 3S. Many people consider it the 4cyl 2JZ. Top Secret and TOM’s both removed the 2JZ-GTE out of a couple of MKIV Supras and replaced them with 3S’s because they wanted to get serious about balancing for racing and they knew they could deliver the HP.

[@bigpower7777]

Life's short... Slap on whatever you want in it and enjoy it before you die. Jesus4life ✌🏽️

[@Rchambrot]

Bro. Best comment ever!

[@Channel_60]

Man, I wanted to watch this but the audio....

[@KiwiKuraun]

aw diddums

[@christopherdaniel2747]

He some kinda audio file or something I looked end to end the information was more important to me .

[@Channel_60]

@@christopherdaniel2747 No, I was listening on headphones and it was torturous.

[@eriklarson9137]

Same. Sounded like trash. Fanbois defend it, which does not help.

[@bechirdesir2181]

I have a gen 4 in a aw11 and for me i like the power and reliability of the 3sgte. Thanks for coming to Bear Mountain, it was cool meeting you and great content

[@michaelganter8952]

Bechir Desir k-series is just as reliable if not more reliable.

[@eriklarson9137]

So in your experience it is far better than all the K2Xs you've ran? Or you have no direct experience and just wanted to say you like your motor?

[@shanesmith8442]

The 3SGTE came with antilag in the Celica GT4 all trac, just saying.

[@CelicAWD]

Only in japan in the st205. And only on the 2500 wrc homologation models. Also, it isnt activated from the factory and considering todays technology it isnt financially adviseable to try and activate it.

[@Blackfracolin1]

Including water injection on the st205 and water pray on the 185rc not bad for 90s

[@123PSPs]

Celica GT4 now available for import to the US comes with a 3sgte stock antilag

[@Peachan123]

Something you forgot is weight. The k20 with transmission is considerably lighter, 200lbs approximately.

[@negativeindustrial]

The first 3S-GTE was 1986. The non-turbo was 1984. Also, Gen3 (1994-1999) came with MLS and improved head studs from the factory. You’re comparing gen1/2 to a 2000+ engine.

[@718stix]

He didn't even talk about the beams 3sge.... single or dual vvti versions

[@negativeindustrial]

Stix A lot of people were unfamiliar with the BEAMs (Breakthrough Engine Advanced Mechanism system) engines for decades after I was first attracted to that gorgeous Red cover on the single VVT-i early version that came in the Celica SS-III and the MR2 G-Limited (Japan only). But I’m a mechanical engineer so I’m used to doing tons of research on everything. It’s possible our boy here doesn’t know about them yet? The one to have is the black (or grey if you prefer) top version from, specifically the manual, IS200 or Altezza as it’s known in Japan and all other countries outside of the US that didn’t have the Lexus branded cars back in the 1990’s. The manual version is setup for longitudinal mounting, coil on plug distributor-less ignition and VVT-i on both the intake and exhaust cams, unlike the earlier “Red Top” version. It makes 210hp naturally aspirated but it’s just begging to have the combination exhaust manifold/CT-15 Turbocharger from the contemporary 4th Generation 3S-GTE installed on it along with the W2A intercooler setup from the ST-205 WRC! In fact, I know this is going to sound sacrilegious, but his Supra would be greatly improved if it ran that setup as it transforms the MKIV Supra into a true front mid-engine car and imparts a 50/50 weight balance onto it. Since it’s easily possible to boost it up to 400whp or more it wouldn’t exactly be lacking in power. You would simply need to use the manual 6spd transmission from the Altezza/IS200 and re-pin the existing MKIV body harness to accept the 3S-GE’s engine harness. I considered doing this very thing back when I was sourcing the RC 3S-GTE that I swapped into my 1994 Celica Turbo back in the day but the engines were only a year or two old so weren’t available yet from the JDM engine importers of the early 2000’s. Maybe if the standard 2nd gen 3S-GTE on my MR2T gives up the ghost, I will finally get one for myself.

[@negativeindustrial]

Alister McCallum I actually got that backwards, the 3S-GE really WAS out two years before the turbo series but it was in 1984. I was thinking the two years started in 1986 with transverse Celicas and the turbo followed two years later like it did outside of Japan. I actually had an ‘86 GTS that I later swapped with a junkyard 2nd gen 3S-GTE after I blew the original 3S-GE in ~1995. I was talking about for an FR car. The Red Top is close enough and already available in the MR2 and Celica so not worth all of that for 10hp. Thanks for all of that info, however, much of it is new info for me and I’m a 3S superfan (Although my favorite version is the 1993 2nd Gen RC 3S-GTE. I’m just a HUGE fan of T-VIS) You can easily adapt the exhaust manifold by swapping out the flange. Just need a band saw, dremil and a welding rig. No problems. With hours of proper dyno tuning you can turbo the BEAMs to 400hp. If you’re saying the rods are THAT weak then they can be replaced. I was reading something in the ECU section of the ATS website today about that very subject. 3S into a Supra has already been done many times BTW. With great results too. If we’re fixated on the blacktop specifically, then I say if it fits the Altezza there should be no reason it can’t fit a MKIV. It’s been done in many 1st Gen Celicas, older RWD Corollas etc.

[@718stix]

@@negativeindustrial there are a few beams blk top 3sge running around down here in south Florida in some old rwd Corollas... very impressive

[@negativeindustrial]

Stix I’ve always wondered, how do they sound with a decent exhaust?? That’s one thing the K Series will never be able to hold over a 3S! It’ll always sound like various species of angry wasps while the 3S-GTE just sounds mean AF! IIRC the n/a 1st gen engine’s were nasty AF too! I bet the BEAMs sounds sick!

[@roshanchitan1997]

Great video! You got 1 thing wrong though, 4g63T has been out since 1982 and is still being made to this day.

[@andriussatkauskas6360]

I can't believe that you can find 3sgte engine for 1200$ for the moment min price is around 2200$

[@frankhernandez6524]

I was buying them when they were $900 here in the states.

[@FredAllenBurge]

I have a gen4 3sgte in my MR2 but the K series is far superior to the 3S. Just look at how much power they make on boost, that alone tells you they're more efficient. Then look at how crack prone the 3S block is starting at about 400hp. If you want a reliable 400+hp 3S you really have to start with a 5S block and now you're going down the road of a fully built engine. With the K series you can do it on a stock unopened engine.

[@Tactical_Response_Team]

Bullshit 😆

[@TRDboi85]

3S-GTE all the way

[@Burberry95Ej1]

Great video bro. Im a k series guy today but I started my love for hondas from fallin in love with b series turbo. Everyone knows b series turbo is the grandfather of K series.

[@ellisjackson3355]

"where the B ends the K begins..."

[@robie7587]

Let's not forget the last gen in the 3s was the black top beams found in the toyota altezza and it have dual vvti which makes it similar to the k20 just with less moving parts

[@kenxiong6830]

3SGTE is a motor that has true pedigree. This engine powered the JGTC supra to a championship. Also the Toyota IMSA prototype cars used this motor and made 1000hp

[@pswmetalmonkey]

thats cute.. -pedigree means nothing.. reality is the K series been used in way more builds that most 4 pot toyota motors nowadays and with 1000hp ebay turbo capability for the masses.

[@CP110]

The K20 has an open deck it definitely wont handle 700hp for as long as you say it will stock unless ur conservative on ignition timing and how ur vtec engages I.E tuning to make torque much later in the rev range.

[@EdwardFeenman]

I've had Ks that made between 500-650 wheel that I've daily driven for as many as 60-70k miles at that power level. Stock bottom end. Fresh motors to begin with, but on none of the motors I'm referencing did they end in catastrophe. Maybe 35-40k miles in. You will feel them get "tired" down maybe 30hp at 60k miles you might be down 50-60hp and yeah, they could and should be rebuilt by then, but they won't just let go. I'm older now and more financially stable, so I build the bottom end on anything I'm going to swap, but pushing 40 years old now, you'll likely run into me driving something k swapped and turbo charged.

[@franciscolozada1059]

Very informative video, but that echo though 😂😂

[@unkleskruge]

Yes that echo is horrid

[@niclaughlin5688]

I bought one of my k20a2 for $150 from a junk yard. K series can be had for very cheap

[@maybelive765]

I think the 3S is better matched with the 4G... They can serve around the same purposes, they can make similar power, they can swap into similar builds. I think the K20 is better matched with the 4B (although it wins easily 😂😂😂), the F20C (still a pretty simple win) and the SR20DE/VET (the SR is just so rare...) the K20 is just the best modern option rn as a 4banger

[@motogte]

The 3SGE Blacktop is a really strong engine and over looked for modifying would be interesting to see how far it can be took before forging is needed???

[@jediwone]

It's all about what your personal needs are. I wouldn't be racing my 3sgte. For me it's more fun to drive the 3sgte especially where I live. Santa Cruz mountains.

[@linchester8464]

my buddy has a rust bucket AW11 MR2 which has the 4AGE 16V Red top motor. But the previous owner killed the 4AGE. But he swapping a SR20DE into the car taken from a Nissan Sentra FWD

[@Uchiha868]

Put a vvl head

[@linchester8464]

@@Uchiha868 not worth the effort.

[@jonnyboii8379]

LOVE THE FACT ITS ABOUT THE CAR AND NOT WERID SIGN THINGS WITH ALL THE KZbinR HANDS LOL BUT DUDE THANK YOU FOR THE INFO YOU SPIT OUT VERBALLY IN REGUARDS TO THE MR2 TURBO. YOU MADE ME TAKE MORE PRIDE AND CARE FOR MY TOYOTA PLUS DIY'S IVE LEARNED FROM YOU.

[@marioremondino9837]

This is like a big block vs small block debate. And really it comes down what the goal of the car

[@s-dubsw2013]

3sgte gen3 245hp with all bolt on's and a tune 400hp to the ground

[@motogte]

All these BMW's and Golf R's are forged from factory now only way they are able to be modified. K20 wasn't even forged and can make 600/700! 3SGTE is a epic engine also Toyota pioneered the early turbo dohc engines and the S block was released and used in 1980!

[@ajfern01]

Come on, 2GR-FE

[@PushingPressors]

The engine swap I should have done, fml

[@solidsnakec20]

this.

[@valleboricua]

Toyota now has the 8ar-fts turbo 4 found in the Lexus NX200 TRD is stating it's the new replacement for the 3SGTE, but I would rather put in a 2gr-fe motor and enjoy not having turbo lag.

[@negativeindustrial]

valleboricua Where did you read that TRD quote? I’ve been wanting to see what they thought of it.

[@valleboricua]

@@negativeindustrial it was on the Mr2 club community site, one of the members had it translated had several hp variants. Club Lexus also has specs on it. The head is kinda weird though if you look at it. Looks like they integrated the exhaust manifold into the head. Also its port and direct injection not sure on how well the aftermarket will pick it up. Stephan Papadakis has 2ar-fe within the same family of motor up to 1000hp so there is potential.

[@piHi-lg8pl]

The dual injection works great even if you want to go crazy power. But I also leaned towards the 2gr for my AW11 swap

[@cullen3]

Buy a clip on Mic, it will take your audio to the next level.

[@Mugen_FB317]

No! You can make 700 whp on a stock block 3sgte.

[@azweyramran4903]

Malaysian car tuner and foreman already make it on caldina gt4-N edition ...3sgte engine engine very tough

[@ryandull6581]

Same thing when people talk bad about 4ages and compare power numbers to honda motors when the toyota stuff is so much more old school

[@dynahack505]

4As are some of the greatest performing engines even with low numbers. And it wasn’t really until the DC2 came out that Honda could dethrone Toyota in some areas. That was with B-Series anyway.

[@holdmywetnutz]

@@dynahack505 and still are great engines till today but need hell of alot of work to flow and be up to standards of the B series and k series

[@freedomfox8183]

4g63 vs 3sgte next?

[@candymr2]

if you like replacing your crank every year, then yeah pick 4g63

[@Blackfracolin1]

3sgte is way more reliable then the 4g63 including toyotas bomb proof transmission unlike the evos

[@justinranes3351]

I looove your vids, I hate the way Honda’s sound but I mean their cylinder heads just FLOW and their engines are just overall strong

[@negativeindustrial]

Justin Ranes The 3S with a good set of aftermarket, preferably TRD, camshafts just sounds intimidating to me. Meanwhile, the Honda engine just sounds like pork fried rice IMO 😳

[@Tec-fv2xb]

No one would ever say, “let’s swap a 3sgte into this” There’s your answer.

[@matsinkal]

Looooool

[@lockjawjak]

*cough* bad obsession motorsport *cough*

[@H4x_Smoke]

Id swap a 3sgte into a 6th gen celica...id never swap a k20 into a 5g prelude. Theres your answer

[@dynahack505]

Toyota placed a 3sgte engine in a supra for one of the circuit races they competed in. The 3sgte engine overall is a better platform for a tuner. Honda’s are legos for kids a 4yr can build a Honda. And once again the only reason why people say “k swap!!!” Is cause it’s easy/cheap/reliable. It’s like every idiot who says “LS swap” easy and cheap.

[@jordanprice9285]

@@H4x_Smoke No need, they already put J series engines in 5G Preludes.. BOOM, problem solved

[@msknuked]

I’d still love keeping the 3sgte only real man can build them

[@shortbuslife3440]

Miss my MR2 but still have the 3sgte I bought and am thinking of putting it in a Morgan style kit car (weighs about 500kg or 1100lb) instead of the Pinto and type e gearbox it currently has, was going to use the j160 gearbox from Lexus IS200 (Altezza) but would require gear linkages as box is too long. :(

[@4g63attack]

I agree I have a first year turbo dsm and it’s showing it’s age... and like you mention the aftermarket support is dwindling as the years goes on

[@malcolmsinotte417]

3sgte for me

[@eriklarson9137]

I wish you would have listened to this before you uploaded.

[@lasjcrew]

Im a Toyota guy but k24 swaps are a win. Waiting on the mounts for my swap

[@brembobrakes9656]

Which is better. K series right? 2j? Ford barra? 1uz? Hehehe 4age. Nevermind 3sgte is better. Non interference😁

[@markoz673bajen8]

2az

[@MrCraigduquesnay]

Mr2 to k20/24 mounts $550 reference to boostboyz videos

[@azweyramran4903]

My friend car toyota caldina gt4-N edition running 550hp awd , straight piping 3.5inch stainless steel , blitz nur spec R muffler .All performance parts genuine from japan such as BLITZ,HKS , APEXI ,TRD and many more .But its not a daily car bro

[@jamesmedina2062]

Awesome video and analysis, thanks!

[@terrorbite8610]

Even with NA motor, you can do the “5sgte” build and make some good power.

[@718stix]

I did one 10yrs back... trying to blow it up ... it wouldn't happen

[@terrorbite8610]

damn. how much did you make power wise?

[@negativeindustrial]

Stix Did you do a full 5S-GTE with the 3S head or are you talking about a 5S-FTE build with the stock head? I did a 5S-FTE on a low mileage 1999 Celica GT I had waaaay back in the day using a USDM CT-26 Turbocharger, MKIII Supra Intercooler, APEX’i SAFC-II and RX7 Red Top Feed injectors. Tuned it on the dyno to run 10PSI max and with the stock compression ratio that car was seriously quick! I never could kill that engine but some asshat in a Rustang totaled it from behind before I could ever get around to installing the spare 3S-GTE Head I had bought for it. Stand alone ECUs were still uncharted territory for me back then (~2003ish?) and that was the major hurdle I had yet to accomplish at that time. The car was seriously quick but it never came close to the 1994 Celica I swapped with a 1993 RC 3S-GTE right after that. I still have that one along with my 1991 MR2T (and my 1997 Lexus LS400 “daily driver” that never gets driven 😂)

[@webweasel4401]

@@negativeindustrial Nice! Yours is close to mine. Got a engine wrecked MR2 back in 04 and engine swapped it. It stayed NA because I was 23 and insurance on a turbo was insane money. Bought a GT4 a few years later. MR2 long gone, too few seats, but I still have the GT4 and a Jaguar XJ8 as a daily that never gets driven. ;-)

[@718stix]

@@negativeindustrial I did a 3sgte head mild port job on the head.... 5s fe bottom... 3sgte oil pump knife edge crank. I was using a greddy e manage blue box

[@cowboys1aq]

Im a 3sgte because of my mr2. But i have to say the k engines are really good 👍

[@bowonpholstockman4782]

Need k20 na Vs 3s beam!! Na Vs na!

[@rubenramos7063]

98 n up 5sfe blocks from Camrys are common upgrade to 3sgte block when building 500+ hp 3s motor They're a few drag race teams, e.g., PSI Racing, Hard Target Racing, n few others with 1,000+ hp 3sgte probably using those newer 5sfe blocks. I have a friend running gen2 3sgte 90-93 on drag car with about 450hp to wheels hasn't had any issues with cracked blocks.

[@ItsPainnz]

they shouldnt have issues with cracking up to 700-1000hp? wut

[@dynahack505]

3sgte wins. Only reason why people run Ks is because they are cheap. Yes Ks make good power but you can build 3sgte for reliable 800hp. The other advantage to a K is it’s all aluminum and light.

[@Ehren1337]

Dyna Hack you still can build k series 900-1000hp reliable

[@alexandrest-arnaud8533]

Great video once again ! I have a question for you guys in the comment section! My friend and I were debating on who would win : 2008 Honda civic si with a chip and a complete exhaust line vs stock 1992 Toyota mr2 ! We'll do the race when the snow will be gone here in Québec!😉

[@eriklarson9137]

And then? What is it with KZbin commenters. They literally never do what they say they will do, and never return to comments.

[@NormalMonkey]

Ktune ou flashpro i/h/e avec une tune probablement la Si, juste un exhaust pas sur

[@jaredpaolonacino9499]

2 years from now, any update sir? :D

[@ironst205]

5sgte Camry block , gt4 head for the win

[@bobbybandz9194]

Just wanna insert that MR2 in beginning of video just set worlds fastest MR2 trap....that essentially means she's faster then Nates,just needs to start putting together the other pieces of the puzzle for that record slip :) with less work in engine too..js

[@bonniehammond9566]

How hard would it be to put a 3sgte into a 2006 or 2008 wrx. Any plates to mount 3sgte to wrx transmission.

[@Salvisol]

The 3S came after the Nissan FJ20ET. Possibly also the CA18DET. Anyhow I'd keep the 3S in the car it came in. No real need to rip it out. It makes beast power.

[@bayshoreboys]

Any idea what the transmission options are for rigging up a 3s-gte for FR application? The altezza had a 6 speed I believe but idk if theres better options for power

[@bayshoreboys]

@@alistermccallum I'm up here in Canada, that sounds like it would be attainable. Thanks man!

[@webweasel4401]

Get a gearbox from a GT4? 4WD car though, so not sure how it would work out.

[@zandern9489]

Here’s the thing and you already said it- interference VS non. My 1st Gen DSM, belt snapped, $300 alone for new valves and head work, then gaskets etc...My Honda Civic same thing. My two 3S motors...160,000 miles plus and still stock compression (both 88’s btw). I’ll keep my TVIS and slap in some adjustable cam gears and with the gear ratio take Honda’s all day. (Don’t get me wrong, started out a Honda boy) to the point- I don’t agree with the HP and strength comparison...but when the Honda snaps a belt your looking at big $$.

[@sajsed2]

You info is a tad bit incorrect tht 4g63t DOC was first introduced in galant vR4 in *1987* just one yearly or a few months later than the 3sgte, so you saying *the 3sgte came out waaaay before tht 4g63t is a bit incorrect.

[@vipbeef2174]

Well with the K20 MR2 swap from The Racing Channel it tried to imitate the 900hp MR2 years ago

[@mattthon]

Yessir!! Great comparison! Honda kseries wins all day and the dealbreaker is definitely support! It’s Honda and Honda engines have been tuned in America longer than any other import engine.

[@al-exh3714]

Just purchased a 3rd gen gste 40000 miles 1750 got a 93 Celica gt gonna put it in first time swappin so hopefully this goes smooth got a buddy that knows more than me to help but I’m wondering what do I need now to complete this swap? 3gste is coming with head/block intake exhaust manifolds fuel rails corresponding alternator power steering sensors wiring harness oil pan turbo and ecu what else do I need thank you for any advice

[@Mizsteakz]

well k series is mostly fwd so kinda weird to compare the k to the 3sgte , id pick over the 3gte because it can produce about the same maybe less power output for being a rwd 4 cyl, imo 3sgte = rwd k20/24

[@K_GHOST225]

Should have compared 3sge beams red or blacktop with VVTi

[@EZ-D-FIANT]

Definitely, I'm in the UK with a rev1 tin top G, (yes I said tin top 😎), she has a 3rd gen (tubby) in her and I'm due a rebuild and I'm really considering a K swap due to the parts/support/buildability/availability ect, I love my 3s but it's just cheaper and safer to build a K and replace blocks ect if it goes! Yea real tough decision tbh, after all that I'm looking at home ccs (epoxy) a 2gr maybe? I want vvti on the exhaust you see, man these decisions are hard I appreciate your input!!

[@EZ-D-FIANT]

I also have a Saab 9k with a B234 in it, another super rare desirable but unsupported motor these days, I could K both and be so much better off! But I also own two of the most desirable rare motors fitted to two rare desirable shells, to throw a typical K seems so lazy and kinda nieve, I'm full T7 trionic on my Saab, it's special but so fucking expensive, a K would be cheap and parts (if I K the duece) swappable! Fucking K seriously messed with my plans GRRRR....

[@EZ-D-FIANT]

Another thing I wanna add, Incase anyone wants to offer their two cents, my duece was a G-ltd, so it's a tubby conversion, and I have a fully custom widebody and Celica lights with full aero (all CFD custom, I've got 8 years in the body of this car, yes I built her myself and yes I have a Channel) so maintaining originality just isn't an option any more, shame as she's a JDM tin top and could be super valuable but she could never be matching numbers so.... Besides I've cut sills out for rear brake ducts and totally changed the buttress and rad-under car relief layout for flat under with tunnels! I want what will perform best, so yea K is really stressing my decisions, can ya tell 🤣 Great video buddy btw 👍👌👍

[@michaelganter8952]

You know, maybe you should try importing a car. Sell the mr2 and go get a 94 or lower rhd car. It may not initially be as clean as you want it. If your stuck on Toyota, there’s plenty of rhd cars to chose from.

[@ClearWater7.62]

K24 so much potential and aftermarket support. + vtec* mine has so much tq mid top end to 8k n/a. With the type s with lsd, so much fun.

[@JorgeGameiro]

I prefer hondas, because they have the technology, the support, and they are super easy to make power, but i'm with you, keep it pure to the brand, they're both great engines, after all, in europe and japan they're always the 2 brands coming on top 2 in reliability ( with vw audi group always coming in 15 lol ).

[@negativeindustrial]

Hey your name is Ryan, isn’t it? Can I ask you a question? What brand/ material/heat range and gap are the spark plugs you run on both the MR2 and the Supra? The reason I ask is, I recently was having issues with the MR2T I have been restoring this year. I’ve gotten the engine/drivetrain basically 95% restored and running right (Aside from a slight oil pan leak I’m currently ignoring) so I’ve installed a full GReddy Intercooler, hot and cold pipes, blow off valve and full exhaust. Everything is authentic GReddy/Trust brand except I’m running an Aussie Downpipe mated to the large GReddy dual 3.5” exhaust and an APEX’i Power Intake. So I turned up the boost to a safe 17PSI, defeated the VSV and installed an HKS FCD but right at 12.5PSI (Or even as low as 8PSI on a very cold day) I was getting breakup at anything more than 50% throttle position. Man, I went through EVERYTHING replacing all of the vacuum lines and IC/Intake Couplers, checked the fuel pump - I mean EVERYTHING. Still couldn’t get rid of it. My buddies all thought it was knock or fuel cut but something kept telling me it was spark so I replaced the brand new NGK Iridium Spark Plugs (stock .032 gap) I had just put in a month ago with a super cheap set of regular old NGK Coppers but I tapped them down to the same .028 gap I run on my ST-205 swapped 1994 Turbo Celica and it totally went away! It starts easier, runs way smoother and I can now make 8PSI+ with only 2500rpm at 30% throttle (Or even less throttle on cold days)! I knew of this problem from when I ran into it back when I was canyon racing with the Celica but it didn’t start occurring until I passed the 21PSI threshold (It’s been at 25PSI on a fully built 3S-GTE engine for a decade with no issues). Have you run into this with either of your cars? Sorry to have written this novel-length comment but I wanted to include the full details because I don’t really know anyone with these cars and experience and MR2oc is a ghost town these days. Thanks in advance for any info you can share with me. -Neg

[@sammcbride2464]

Who told you that a 3SGTE is limited to 500HP? You should spend some time on MR2 Owners Board. 3SGTE over 1200 HP. Not sure where the information you are getting, but there are plenty of aftermarket places for strong parts for 3SGTE. All Gen 1/2 are converted to Gen 3 bucket lifter design. The 3SGTE block is a super duty block from the factory with 4 bolt mains. You are also skipping by port size, etc. A Gen 3 head and block flows better and much stronger block than a Gen 4 head and block at high horse power levels. Gen 4 block will crack much sooner than a Gen 3 block. Here is my MR2 build for a comfortable 500 HP that is reliable. Ductile Sleeves (3.370 Semi x 3.50) Block Work (Magnaflux, Sleeve, Bore,Line Hone, Deck and Oil Gully Mod) Crank Work (Magnaflux, Chamfer, Micro Polish and Balance) Surface and Balance Flywheel 86.5 mm Forged CP Piston Set Complete Pauter 4340 Toyota 3S-GTE Connecting Rods Oil Pump Assembly Ported and Shimmed ARP Head Stud Kit (3S-GTE) 1.4 mm TTE Head Gasket 34.5 mm Ferrea ST Intake Valve 30 mm Ferrea STST Exhaust Valve (Nicelvac) Valve Lifter 5.70 Crower Valve Spring Titanium Retainers Adjustable Cam Gear HKS 264 Exhaust Cam (3S-GTE) HKS 272 Intake Cam (3S-GTE) Street Port 16 Valve 3S-GTE Cylinder Head SM4 Autronic Engine Management kit Toyota GT30R .83 Turbo Kit complete, GT30 w/ .60 A/R on Intake and .83 A/R on Exhaust 3S-GTE custom Intake Manifold (ChrisK) Custom Made Fuel Rail (ChrisK) 850 cc Siemens Injectors RPS Max Series 6 Puck Sprung Clutch and Pressure Plate Chico Raceworks Upgraded Inner CV Joint Kit

[@edros221]

3sgte>k20 In 2009 one Toyota Paseo Drag car runs 6.84sec with a 3sgte production engine N/A BILLET So.....R.I.P K20

[@Mugen_FB317]

Yess sir!

[@mikeriverajr4447]

i had a 93 eg hatch vx trim and vtec kicked in at like 3500 rpm. . . it felt like boost coming on, i think its crap vtec comes on at 6 , 7k nowadays which makes its kinda useless as a daily driver unless your flooring it all the time

[@Lalomalo_solidinca]

K20 are everywhere in junkyards 3sgte never entered the USA unless 1 and 2nd gens

[@marvinpeter292]

comonn tthese block keeeep woping the screws can get back on the road on the same k20 need cast iron block

[@dekacster]

700hp with e85?

[@alanhsu9516]

K20/24 for 1/4 mile runs 3SGTE for circuit racing

[@blazed00420]

3sgte so much cheaper talking about heads you need the beams Yamaha head for it

[@mk2mister2]

I have a 91 turbo with a Gen 2 3SGTE. I decided to swap a Gen 4 and keep the same engine family DNA in it. If it was a N/A shell project car, maybe I'd consider a K20.

[@marioremondino9837]

Damn... this didn’t help one bit. For me the debate is track down a turbo. Or find a non turbo and K swap turbo it. Goal is to have mr2 for drifting, donuts and just getting sideways. What engine would be best for that? High rpm k to really get the wheels spinning at high RPMS. Or a low end torque. Most drift set ups run high RPM I thought. What kinda set ups do the sr20 silvias run? Alway sounds like a rev happy motor

[@ItsPainnz]

camry is perfect candidate for a hot rod, ive had nothing but beautiful handling and grip

[@lokiiddqd]

apples vs apples maybe look into the beams 3s-ge late model engine was dual vvti rwd in altezza was black top and last run of st2xx celicas was red top in late 90s both were higher compression NA

[@iansmind]

00:20 wait THATS a k20 swap? Or is that a 3s-gte?

[@RottenTomahoken]

Man why do I feel like you’re talking about the 7m sooo weird

[@seagullhoonbirdpersonpilot5511]

3sfe is pretty ok if you're a bit of a cheepskate and you just want a cheap car that probably wont break for a while.

[@trevoremmett4941]

Intro: We’re not gonna say which is better Title: Which is better?

[@CADeathstar]

I know I am late to this, but what about the later generations of the 3sgte engine such as the ST215 or ST246 as an option?

[@Supraslow]

Pov it's 2022 almost 2023 and a 3sgte 5gen going found anywhere from 2k to 3k

[@maxkuznetsov2909]

Apples to oranges. Should be a vid about 3sge beams blacktop vs k20a2

[@dielauwen]

What energy drink are you drinking?

[@webweasel4401]

Nice vid man, but please don't record in your garage again! The echo on your voice really ruined the vid. Green screens are cheap, you could have done the same shot but in a better environment without the echo. Just a though, not trying to be an ass.

[@jacobfarrara6981]

All it needs is a turbo baby

[@frankhernandez6524]

I’m doing both swaps fuck it. Both of my Mr2 are hardtops as well. Fuck Covid.

[@Aglai76]

Does the 3S-GTE have any oil pressure loss under Gs like the 1 & 2zz?

[@K_GHOST225]

No

[@fsckerdot1q]

5s block has thicker cylinder walls than a 2jz

[@darrienreid2978]

3sgte for daily and slightly modded.....kswap for racing....its simple

[@Caned5]

The 3S-GTE is better for your money and will make more power than the K20 cash for cash. The 3S-GTE has made 1000whp with the 2ZZ-GE at 933whp. K20s have reach 2000hp tho. Given the same amount money, the 3S-GTE can reach 2000hp and maybe even more.

[@mr2sw20]

@realstperformance comming with a 3sgte mr2 for those k20 this year 4shure

[@bsm4024]

turbo is the best..3sgte all the way

[@DirtyDanRacimg]

3sgte’s arnt making 600whp na...k series are

[@jacobfarrara6981]

There's 3gtes and 5sgte Frankenstien builds making over 1000hp jokester

[@jacobfarrara6981]

They can make them na yes but toyota went turbo for a reason

[@jacobfarrara6981]

And they arnt interference motors there more simple and that's what Toyota loves

[@Average_enjoyerr]

We in a damn spaceship cuh