Kaalia vs Tevesh/Kraum vs Thrasios/Vial Smasher vs Rograkh/Tevesh | CEDH Gameplay

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[@helderxt]

Opening hands😢

[@johnweinhandl8890]

We forgot to record opening hands….

[@thomasnoonan2039]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I always skip them...

[@nolife874]

i like seeing opening hands and guessing whos going to pull ahead. if i had to pick to keep the opening hands or not maybe split the middle and show them off as you name the commanders but dont tell us the cards so if we want to we can pause and check them out. this way we get to the match faster but still have the hands for people that care

[@arikohrn8010]

I enjoyed the games, If you're trying things our with regard to viewer information, I'd love to see a game or two where Tutor targets were disclosed to the viewers. I'm always curious what folks are prioritizing while tutoring and it isnt always clear.

[@charliefranklin8523]

I think the point is that we have the same info as the table has, so if it's an enlightened or worldly tutor or whatever where it's revealed they show it, but if it's a vamp or demonic tutor they don't because the table also doesn't know

[@catman08724]

I feel like opening hands really help us understand what the deck is trying to do early game

[@Shrinkydinkman42]

I can take or leave the opening hands, but I would LOVE to see the hand size trackers like y’all did in the legacy video

[@seankeane769]

I like the opening hands because it helps u understand what the deck is trying to set up early… idk most of the decks that come in the show so it helps me understand their game plan… also, hand tracker would be cool lol

[@Basskin]

No opening hands. :( Sad times.

[@orinmatthew]

This threw me off lol. I had to rewind like 4 times before I realized I didn't miss it

[@PhoenixRNH]

Opening hands are great because you can see what the player was thinking when keeping the hand and whether you think they should have mulliganed further etc.

[@westwarrior1866]

I think without openers it felt more fluid but I missed the info 😂

[@titThaWulf]

I prefer seeing the opening hands at the start. You can always skip if you don't want to know, but I enjoy seeing it.

[@mikestephens267]

I like the opening hands and really like the wrinkle suggested by Ari Kohrn to show Tutor targets to viewers. Thoracle and Breach don't bother me as they are mostly just the means to an end, it's how each deck gets to the finish that intrigues and interests my CEDH thing.

[@murrowmench1565]

I honestly don’t know if not having opening hands is good or bad lmao! It’s cool to track everything, but it’s also cool to pay more attention in the opening like you would playing the game yourself.

[@robyngwendolynshiloh5277]

I typically dont have the brain power to remember what the hands were lol

[@nicholasames2553]

I like at least having the opening hands on screen. And what was that crazy dockside animation! Boy just be slinging treasure everywhere, LOL

[@stefankodet9888]

Want opening hands. Sequencing is one of the most important things in early turns and learning the best way to sequence a hand helps develop myself & others as players I believe

[@snowj1ggles]

I definitely preferred having opening hands because I could then come up with my own game plan and see if it mirrors what you guys pick

[@baeruttgaming4779]

Me: Sees Sire of Insanity "Yessss YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS"

[@danielkings2443]

I am very surprised and happy that “sloppity bilepiper” is a legal consultation name

[@Xplayer007]

I prefer showing the opening hands as mulligan decisions are really interesting to me, but it's not a game breaker or anything.

[@connorl0204]

Id love to see a list for that tevesh roger deck. I love seeing big dumb things get played in cedh.

[@Vadoo89]

Razaketh didn’t search for something to counter underworld, demonic tutor or oracle?? Why?!

[@NeverLuckyOP]

Right? Wtf did he go search for...

[@koreyg8552]

Punt as usual

[@TCG9777]

Opening hands are fine. Saying that, the lack of opening hands didn't allow me to predict who would win the game

[@jdcommander7026]

I prefer to get opening hands. Gives good insight into the reasons for play and allows you to infer things regarding the player's decisions

[@donwallin7797]

I vote opening hands, its a great educational tool, plus it's fun to try and map out the first few turns.

[@musashibriem1352]

I definitely like knowing the opening hands

[@alexwarren9405]

Rograh Tevesh is supposed to be turbo stax. You should always have minimum tevesh turn 2. I was excited to see the game but he kept a bad hand.

[@PaxMano33]

Does the card art on the thumbnail kind of look like Saturn devouring his son by Francisco Goya?

[@crovax1375]

You know things are going well when your opponents can't even!

[@therainbowyoshi817]

Everett with the Persona 5 Royal playmat! I got the *exact* same custom playmat, glad we both have good taste :D

[@rawtracks9587]

Opening hands help me understanding the play patterns and what they mulligan for. Would much rather have them at the beginning.

[@forerealz]

I prefer opening hands.. as well as small graphics in each players quadrant displaying the cards in their hands. Team Turn Three did that, and I enjoyed having the constant knowledge of what all players have.

[@antonypistachio5476]

Genuinely think Breach is the second best card in the format behind Dockside. Insane versatility.

[@koreyg8552]

No kidding

[@antonypistachio5476]

@@koreyg8552 It's just insane how many wins you can steal with it. Dockside is obviously top since it both enables wins but also helps other strategies while just fixing anyones mana pool but Breach just be winning out of nowhere and it can be doubly used just as a grind piece.

[@jmcwherterx]

New to CEDH still trying to learn all the tricks and interactions. How did Alex's Brain Freeze mill his whole library when the storm count was at 9? what am I missing? Thanks!

[@thomasnoonan2039]

Agree with someone else who already said it but I don't care about opening hands and would like the hand size tracker.

[@daandenteuling883]

I don't miss the opening hands, but I'd like to see it replaced with a slightly longer deck introduction, strategy and win con

[@ettoresimonetto6056]

Still enjoyed the video a lot but seeing the opening hands it’s very nice

[@sagejackson6886]

I play a rog/vesh poly stax list. It's a wild one for sure

[@Jordansayegh10]

i think it was fine video...... love the game play since i love seeing new decks. i do love knowing what people start with though cause i love mentally playing if i was in there shoes. its why I prefer yall vs ptw sometimes.

[@davidshift5382]

Opening hands are cool, sometimes we can see a card that never gets played, which rises questions about possible outcomes.

[@daolothe1043]

You should do an episode where you bait people with the music escalating like it’s the end of the game, but then the Oracle gets countered or something lol

[@TheGrifcannon22]

In game 1 I was thinking with that Chalice on 2 being countered there must've been some 2 drops they wanted to play and boy, was I right!

[@tommyjabczynski7911]

The last game was nuts

[@raycebannon6422]

I know it's more work but I feel like the opening hands are better. It gives your viewers a chance to try and figure out the gameplan before it starts and helps them understand unfamiliar decks better

[@jonathanjimenez6548]

Thoracle :/ Reality scramble :o

[@eggsaviator1224]

Dam whered tyler get that playmat, its fire

[@damo9961]

Opening hands helps newer players

[@zut8448]

Bring Opening hands back. Dockside effect wasn’t well done, felt janky. My thoughts.

[@houstonwyatt6981]

I like the opening hands mostly to see what players pitch to mulligans.

[@Licentoflegend]

Razaketh says, "sacrifice another creature."

[@bryantan4228]

3:18 Did Everett draw tho

[@Chandler5.0]

Bring back the opening handsss, I like trying to formulate how people are gonna play since I know what cards are where

[@christhegamer745]

How does reality scramble work?

[@MtendoTheSkunk]

Really not sure why Razaketh went after Karn... might have slowed Alex enough to NOT to have enough resources to pull off a win that turn

[@joshuacaisse6705]

I prefer seeing opening hands

[@set-theory]

I'm one of the people that always skips through opening hands! Ergo I like the change. I do also skip through the commander introductions, though, and so this isn't a huge qol change for me specifically. I'd like to second the person who suggested showing the opening hands while introducing the commanders, allowing people to pause and have a look. If you're willing to put in the effort (I have to imagine that getting the opening hand information and animating it is by no means trivial) then it otherwise has 0 cost to the viewer to put it in. EDIT: I really dislike the Dockside effect. I'm really not looking for these videos to be glamorous in the Game Knights sense, I much prefer just seeing what happens in the game (& your voice is very relaxing). Consider this one vote against.

[@brianclevenger4255]

Nutsss

[@bensteinhauser784]

I strongly prefer knowing opening hands.

[@BobbyBev95]

Not sure what I like more. No opening hands means a bit more surprise as to interaction and combos and stuff which is pretty cool

[@john_wick272]

Alex played like a champ

[@mythmonster2]

Personally, I always skip the opening hands, so I don't mind seeing them go.

[@BuleGamer96]

What absurd game 😂

[@Punisher1818]

I miss the opening hands🥲

[@Bob-np2uc]

I don't really care about opening hands, so getting to the game was nice

[@isaacwright3403]

I missed the opening hands

[@koreyg8552]

Sire of insanity is good until it isn’t

[@gustavhoward5054]

how was he able to activate karns ability without selecting a target?

[@maxhutchinson6425]

Miss the opening hands :(

[@pennywise-ug7sv]

I like opening hands

[@Kallistosprom]

Missed opening hands

[@anthonybuck4864]

Did Corey really not tutor for anything useful??

[@ethanstates884]

Wow what a spicy list for that tevesh/Roger deck

[@benso309]

Alex. Loves lofi girl.

[@TwistedxGamer101]

As much as I enjoy cEDH I can’t be the only one who’s a bit tired of Oracle combo right?

[@markusmunklinde8336]

What an upset that the player with Fish wins if the entire table plays into it.

[@MK-13337]

Honestly the most valuable card was thoracle, not the sire of insanity.

[@tietscho]

Why Tyler always casts Rogkrat even if he not using him immediately?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

The threat of having free interaction can deter some players.

[@Saldorio]

honestly, i'll never understand people feeding the remora or not paying the rhystic. They are basically giving away the match

[@damo9961]

Yeah and people say king making is illegal in cedh lol

[@TripsAhoy]

Good games. Cool treasure thing also. At first I was like why is Dockside moving...are my eyes messing up on me? Lol. Opening hands are cool. When you play you don't know opening hands anyway so I'm good not knowing what everyone has.

[@omersegal4394]

This video felt much snappier without the opening hands. It doesn't feel like we need that information, especially because most of the cards just get played in the first turn or two of the game.

[@GuilhermedeOliveiraCosta]

Always remember kids: don't feed the fish.

[@p1k4nurxp13sr]

RiP opening hands

[@dancer6452]

Not reading off the opening hands and the mulligan cards being put back makes me feel less invested and apart of the game, hopefully it goes back to the previous format on the next video

[@DarkEinherjar]

Shouldn't Reality Scramble be the most valuable card? There would be no Void Winnower or Sire of Insanity if it weren't for it...

[@TheProfanebeast]

i really like the no opening hands! though i think its important to tell us how many the mulligans is.

[@smack80]

i thought oracle wasnt going to pull through then oracle wins every game

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

#ThassaHatersUnite

[@SteelDevilReal]

i wanna op hands back :(

[@Ki-qr5vo]

Kaalia ???

[@evanczthehunter57]

Yeah, no. I see no benefit to removing opening hands other than fewer steps to video making. It's great knowing what everyone starts out with.

[@bensawmiller3005]

Cedh has been really boring to me recently, this is kind of a rant and I don’t mean to just complain but I want others thoughts; I’ve been playing cEDH for 3 years now and in the last year it seems like every deck is almost the same. Maybe I’m just tired of seeing Thoracle/consultation, underworld breach/brain freeze, dockside loops, and a few other combos. I don’t know if everyone is feeling this, but it’s just getting to a repetitive point that’a boring to me. I don’t know if I want them to ban a few cards, or maybe unban a few cards to add more variety.

[@sorry987654321]

please opening hands

[@AndrewLawton16]

I prefer no opening hands. I feel like there is a middle ground like how the mtggoldfish crew do where you show all four opening hands at the same time and let people pause if they want to review. But been no opening hand chat and full deck intros, I prefer no opening hands.

[@hellmoney9688]

and this is why you don't feed the fish

[@Roguchii]

Thoracle is such a boring way to end the game lol

[@oscarperezcame]

Double fish... sick of that crap

[@TheBreackout]

I like not knowing what everyone has in hand before playing

[@brandonpope3066]

Not a fan of the treasure creation animation, feels very command zone and that isn't why I watch these videos.

[@ghostguin1398]

Irrelevant to the video buy did you just pronounce eco as echo during an ad read?

[@morgoth2425]

boring couple of games. was excited to see kaalia, but was definitely outclassed by the power of four color good stuff partner commanders. if you arent playing blue and someone shows up with thoracle then be prepared to be goldfished.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Ryan, you should stop saying "fizzle" when "can't be countered" effects such as Veil of Summer are involved. "Fizzle" implies the spell fails to resolve, when in fact it does, just fails to counter the spell (Veil of Summer does not give spells hexproof, it just prevents them from being countered). This is very important for counterspells that have additional effects, such as Swansong, Mana Drain and Pact of Negation, because their controllers will get their other effects even if the targeted spell can't be countered.

[@ollijay676]

Thassa's Oracle needs to be banned!! I hate this card and I'm thinking, every third deck, with blue plays it... boring win condition 😝