WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TATI'S "WELLNESS" JOURNEY

I've been following Tati since she first went viral for her WTF series. She was the inspiration for my channel in the first place! And since spending the entire year of 2019 exploring clean beauty, I wanted to touch on where we've been since then, and why I find some of the claims Tati's been making lately...problematic.
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[@jyotikaurlove]

oh my God, I watched that video and didn't even realize how problematic it was. She just had this very Godly type of style of talking and I felt a little bad as I watched - "wow she's doing so great and look at my life, I am eating cheetos and don't have the discipline to eat healthy and be clean." Thank you for putting this video out for people like me who could get influenced and start to feel bad about themselves - which is not cool. I wasn't necessarily going to take her advice as an expert and completely do what she's saying but the video had this sort of underlying telepathic message that 'she's got it all together and I am a mess..'

[@melanielyon8026]

Life is short! Eat the Cheetos!

[@melaniemunroe1010]

Yes I felt the same

[@melaniemunroe1010]

@@melanielyon8026 wow I used to be Melanie Lyon. Spelled the same . Fun to see someone with your name!

[@annetteprice]

As someone who cannot eat Cheetos anymore, please enjoy them for me and possibly while you can. I look fondly back on the days of Doritos and Little Debbie’s. 😂

[@melanielyon8026]

@@melaniemunroe1010 wow! i don't think i've ever encountered someone with the same name. so crazy!

[@melissagreenwald5125]

Adding……I have a chronic disease and I started realizing a few years ago how The Wellness Community is all about blame and shame. Please continue this discussion!❤

[@kackie]

♥️♥️♥️

[@SuperSarahbop]

The wellness space has a ton of grifters as well. I’ve gone on my own journey as well and there’s a lot of people adding confusion onto everything.

[@annetteprice]

Tangentially … perhaps the biggest lie we (unknowingly) tell ourselves is that others will be there for us when we’re unwell. I’ve learned it’s actually the exception rather than the rule with most people. Same goes for grieving a loss. Fellow chronic illness sufferer here. ✊

[@QueerBones]

100%

[@QueerBones]

The wellness space is all about amplifying the voices of fit abled body people and ignoring actual health concerns or marginalized people who need it.

[@rachellerockwell3702]

As someone who is disabled and had to go to LOTS of doctors to figure out my diagnosis, I can understand her frustration. I’m glad she’s feeling better and found things that works for her. HOWEVER. Giving advice on diets and telling people they need to try harder while she sits in a walk-in closet almost the size of my apartment, is borderline enraging. Moms doing testing? No. That’s not something I trust. And if she want to educate herself she need to literally educate herself formally, not scroll on the internet.

[@whostolethepenguins9549]

omg hey fellow disabled friend! I also went to lots of doctors and had to basically put my life on hold. Crazy how Tati gets to be privileged enough to turn to quack science and spread that info without every actually mentioning studies or citing who paid for them

[@OpenOurHearts]

Oof the “moms doing testing” line triggered me. It’s not science if it’s not methodologically sound and replicable. It’s just anecdotal observation and confirmation bias.

[@3llemc]

Mom's doing testing? Does that just mean "I cut out red dye or whatever thing in my kids diet and now they're a completely different person!" type thing? Leaving a doctor's office without feeling like you've actually been helped is one of the worst feelings. Sometimes they just don't listen to you AT ALL

[@user-rz9rq7pp2b]

@@3llemc I've left doctor's appointments, gone out to the parking lot, and screamed out my frustrations in the car multiple times. Like, full-throated full-on screaming. I'm sure the people in the office could hear me, but the sense of rage and injustice runs so deep that I can't bring myself to care in the moment

[@susannatuttapanna2010]

I've never seen her tell people to try harder, in fact she's often at pains to tell people it's her journey and they have to do what's best for them. She's also acknowledged her level of privilege at least once that I can recall. Criticise her philosophy of health all you like, but putting words in her mouth isn't helpful.

[@yelbelbeauty]

Fun fact: I am super allergic to all nuts, including coconuts! So much clean beauty has almond and/or coconut oil and I can’t use it, this trend has been awful for my allergies personally 😢

[@mykesorange]

Same!!!

[@cms4229]

I couldn’t believe that a coconut was a nut until I had to take a restaurant class in college.

[@aileenbell6750]

My son is allergic to coconuts as well and I always have to emphasize he is allergic to coconuts bc they are a treenut.

[@glitterberserker1029]

@@GMW.artist koalas bears aren't bears. Humans are bad at naming things we shouldn't take every name literally.

[@shelbs200]

My gf who was dealing with allergies for YEARS tried to do vegetarian/vegan and is allergic to coconut and strawberries and others. Ended quickly.

[@sarahmccord7767]

I think Tati herself is very easily influenced. Even with the large audience she has, it’s always seemed to me that she kind of clings to people or areas where she feels included, but those relationships are seemingly over before they start and after they explode she starts looking for the next person or thing to fill the void. In many ways she seems like that little girl who has a hard time making friends, so at the first sign of friendship she goes overboard and starts referring to someone she just met as her “best friend” and she inadvertently smothers the relationship but is so desperate for a real experience and to be included that she just keeps repeating the cycle.

[@zenmaster9195]

Holy crap! This describes her to a T. You're right.

[@joyousenoful]

I think this was me at one time in my life 😂😂 😅😢

[@Sam-yc7ec]

It’s exactly this. If you are the kind of person who sees things like her video and suddenly start questioning every aspect of your life, that’s a you thing. It is, for lack of a better term your personality. We all know those people, and they’re always ACTIVELY seeking out their next fringe, cult-adjacent interest that’s going to change their life.

[@soapyc7069]

💯

[@sarahmccord7767]

@@joyousenoful I think it’s probably been all of us at some point. 😂 It was for sure me in elementary school. 😫 Most people tend to grow out of this stage though. I feel like Tati has always tried really hard to fit in any and everywhere, but never quite made it “in”. I’ve watched her videos for quite a while and I wish she would recognize and embrace the influence shes already cultivated instead of snubbing what she has now to try and climb to what she thinks is the next rung “above” her. She’s subconsciously void-filling. It makes me kind of sad. She’s a truly gorgeous woman in her 40s whose self confidence is worn like a mask instead of being rooted from within.

[@katlord586]

I have a thyroid disease. I can’t eat gluten and many animal products are actually harmful to me. They act as literal hormone disrupters. Tati’s suggestions would literally cause me physical pain and harm. Many people who share her thoughts on food, would tell me “you have to get all the bad out before you feel better”. I’d end up in a hospital. Instead, I keep up to date on thyroid disease research and prevention. Because I can’t afford clinical trials and studies. I can’t afford Fiji by the case. I can’t afford to be wrong about a diet for a while and not end up hospitalized. Her video made me very sad and upset when I watched it bc young me would have taken it to heart and tried it all. It’s also sad because she doesn’t count her saved marriage, moving away from a toxic environment (LA), and being in a very sunny/warm environment where she can freely go outside to do healthy activities. These drastically reduced her stress, improved her life, and are things that would dramatically improve her health as well.

[@andreabootsma8478]

seeing all of the hate on fluoridated water is so weird for me - I am a chemist and I remember in my first year of college my prof talking about iodated salt and fluoridated water as two of the greatest public health measures ever for children at risk of mineral deficiency or tooth problems

[@brittanyfletcher434]

Yes!! And “enriched” flour and cereals with thiamine and folic acid!

[@kellysblackcat]

My mom tried to scare me about it, saying they used it in the ww2 for prisoners to subdue them , she then went on to say the govt was now putting it in the water to make everyone complacent. I made her a tin foil hat last Christmas.. 🎅 👽

[@NessaH]

@@kellysblackcatdid you really??😭💀

[@kellysblackcat]

@@NessaH yep I did. She comes up with some outrageous things, so I thought it was funny. She did too. 😂😂👽

[@monongahelacats]

I grew up in a city with flouridated water and I'm 58 years old and have nearly perfect teeth.

[@tbear8839]

THANK YOU! ❤ I’m a nurse practitioner and long time Tati viewer. I unsubscribed from her. I just can’t. CANT. I love “wellness to radicalization pipeline” …. It’s so accurate. I spend so much time deconstructing this nonsense with my patients. Again, thank you.

[@maria.jimena1516]

As a pharmacist, I share your gratefulness. Someone's gotta say it, especially a social media influencer! I'm genuinely in awe of how elegantly she educates her viewers.

[@tbear8839]

@@maria.jimena1516 I’m grateful for Kackie and creators like her that give nuanced and educated opinions ☺️❤️ Also…. Love my pharmacist sisters. Here’s to women in healthcare 🥂

[@Hillcountry_Catholic]

Your patients likely don’t appreciate your “help.” It’s not for you to decide their health choices. You are a nurse, you can give suggestions of healthy choices to make, but you can’t say only your suggestions are correct. Sorry but you can’t, and if that’s not ok with you, you might wanna find a different line of work.

[@Hillcountry_Catholic]

@@maria.jimena1516lol it’s wild how some people will assume others are stupid because they make different choices for their health. Y’all really can’t see your narcissism huh?

[@tbear8839]

Ok 🤣🤣🤣

[@zoegombart1276]

AMEN Kackie -- I am a physician and a long-time Tati viewer and you voiced my fears about whats going on with her better than I could!

[@kackie]

Thank you you make me feel sane 😅

[@ChrissyGrace2611]

@@kackie you are sane!

[@ChrissyGrace2611]

I’m so sick of hearing this, “It’s your fault you feel this way or are sick”. So many people are saying this crap constantly and if you disagree, you’re so stupid!

[@ChrissyGrace2611]

She is abusing her social media platform especially for those who are always searching for them”right” thing!

[@tbear8839]

Agree!

[@_ck__]

Thank you so much for this. I had the same thoughts listening to her recently… ignorance is NOT bliss, it’s harmful. I agree & hope she’s not coming with any malice but it’s surprising no one has stopped her and questioned her actions/words

[@rosemartin4398]

KZbin is just as toxic as all the other social media now 😓 More content to make sure my teen girls ignore ….. Jesus H ! It’s getting so bad. I love Kackie so real and sweet 😊😊

[@JillRebeccaBeauty]

I really wonder if she’s just deleting the comments that don’t praise her. It’s wild trading through the comments.

[@heidemarie55]

Kackie I could not agree with you more. You hit the nail squarely on the head. I’m a retired mental health therapist and Tati’s video is dangerous on so many levels. I fear for some of the more fragile viewers who look to Tati as a reputable resource/advisor on issues of health, diet, lifestyle. Thank you for addressing this. You are spot on!

[@theprousteffect9717]

@@heidemarie55 I don't know why anyone would think of her as a reputable resource on anything health related, since she's not a health professional. This is why expertise matters, but if we say that nowadays, we're "elitist."

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@rosemartin4398 the most toxic community I came across in my travels on KZbin was the snake diet community. This is prolonged fasting that also includes fasting from drinking water. My dad nearly died because he stopped eating and drinking I’m not getting into details. Doing that causes sepsis though.

[@sloanerickman6219]

DUDE. I truly appreciate this so much because I have such strong reactions to this turn that has showed up in her videos for the literal exact reasons you mentioned. Thank you for voicing them!!! People can become mislead by so much of the “wellness” industry and culture in sometimes truly scary ways. Appreciate this immensely.

[@whatifjenny]

I've been so confused by Tati's clean beauty journey. Like she got an eye infection so she threw out all her old mascaras. Good move. Then she replaced them with all "clean" mascaras and I'm like, girl you know those are going to go bad twice as fast as your old ones and you're not good about throwing them out right? Also you're so right about healing your gut being personal. I had the same issue for like 15 years, and for like 10 years all I could eat without my stomach exploding was mashed potatoes which is a nightshade and the literal opposite of what most doctors would recommend. The same diet worked for me, my cousin and my aunt so it must be something in the genetics, but getting on the internet and telling the world probably wouldn't help anyone who wasn't directly related to me 😂

[@maryarmstrong2231]

Yes. Ma’m!!!! As a former yoga teacher I have seen colleagues and students fall down the rabbit holes of horse 💩 I have had to back out of wellness spaces. The Conspirituality podcast and MaintenancePhase are both clutch.

[@kackie]

Conspirituality! I need to check that out

[@whostolethepenguins9549]

I second that recommendation! Conspirituality is a great podcast, I really respect the work they put into making the show

[@whostolethepenguins9549]

also if you're interested, Leaving Eden is a great podcast that has some episodes on how all this is rehashed Satanic Panic and antisemitism. The hosts are wonderful

[@sarapearce6511]

Came here to recommend the same podcast! 👍

[@lottamagi]

Thank you for this excellent video! As a chronically ill person, I’ve noticed that there’s this notion that if you have long-term issues/chronic illnesses, diabilities etc, you’re just not doing “enough” to be healthy again and you’re lazy for not trying every possible diet/excersise/wellness thing or whatever out there. Not only is it not accessible for everyone, it’s extremely tiring and for a person who already is disabled or chronically ill, there is often not enough energy in them to keep doing all of that.

[@tbear8839]

And you shouldn’t have to! ❤️

[@JasminMiettunen]

As someone whose depression has been better and worse, I can say absolutely, being more active and having friends can make you feel better. I can also say that when it’s bad, doing it can be impossible, and even when you force yourself, you'll just get more tired. It’s like, good to hear taking up running fixed helped when you were sad, but that isn’t treatment for severe clinical depression. Medication 👏 and 👏 therapy 👏 Also as someone recovered from an eating disorder who also has PCOS (yeah, I know that’s a lot lmao) going low carb just isn’t an option, no matter how much it helped someone else. There’s other treatments and medications for a reason.

[@ModernVintage31]

@lottamagi I don’t know if you’ll ever see this, but in case you do I’d like you to know that I really appreciate your comment. Even people who believe they are being encouraging can be really clueless that their cheerleading is actually dispiriting

[@xosammtastic]

Thank you for this! I became chronically ill when I was a teen and had a few bad doctors tell me all the ways it was my fault; it led me into an ED and being obsessed with "clean" xyz. Did it help? Nope. Did it make me worse? You betcha. Tati might not have the intention of hurting people, but she absolutely is. She has a huge following and at least one person is going to follow her "advice that isn't advice, just my personal story" and end up in a worse place because of it. I can only hope your video is pushed hard by the algorithm so they have an equal shot at seeing it

[@samanthaimrie2918]

Same! Doctors often suck unfortunately

[@InsertLiteraryPunHere]

YES KACKIE, YES. Thank you for this video. I was diagnosed with celiac disease earlier this year (at the age of 29, estimated that I went undiagnosed for around a decade), and let me tell you, the fact that gluten was a randomly demonized “cut this from your diet for optimization/wellness” ingredient a few years ago does NOT help when it comes to explaining the severity and actual biology of this disease. Also the fact that people throw the word “inflammation” around in the vaguest possible way isn’t really helping anyone. If gluten causes someone repeated inflammation, then that person probably has celiac disease-it’s literally diagnosed by assessing the visible damage caused by repeated, autoimmune-based inflammation of the digestive system. Also, gluten is one composite set of proteins out of what, thousands? A lot of milder digestive issues could be caused by any number of things that we haven’t isolated or identified yet. This isn’t to discount anyone’s journey with potential gluten sensitivity or intolerance (we’re all just trying to figure out our own weird and particular bodies, and we often do that exploration imperfectly and that’s okay). But I do experience the broader societal consequences of this imprecision, in that knowledge about my diagnosable, “yikes your body has this very specific problem” disease is muddied up with dumb wellness junk science about “feeling your best.” I didn’t feel bad for 10 years because I ate “processed” or “unhealthy” food, I felt bad because I had an illness. Now I get to feel WAY better than I ever have before as an adult, even on days when I eat “junk” food that would make these optimized/self-actualized people lose their minds. And anyway, most people don’t feel low-energy because they’re drinking fluoridated water or whatever the new bogeyman is for these people, they feel bad because they have too much work and stress and not enough money and rest! Okay love you bye rant overrr (also everyone listen to Maintenance Phaseeeee)

[@kackie]

😍😍😍😄😄😄

[@isabellamorris7902]

EXCELLENT TAKE YES.

[@tbear8839]

Preach! You nailed it ☺️

[@tatianaameliaify]

My daughter has celiac and they're always like " oh she must eat so healthy" and I respond with "French fries are gluten free" lol 🤣 It's not a synonym for health. I also find it bizarre because I have bad Eczema and people always say gluten free go gluten free. I'm allergic to metals and gluten free grains are very high in metals (I don't recommend cutting metals even if you're allergic you have to have some but not too much it sucks). When my whole house went full no cross contamination gluten free my eczema got so much worse I had to add wheat back to my diet. If you have DH caused by celiac and diagnosed via biopsy (or endoscopy) then sure gluten will help your celiac related specific eczema

[@kerriganlemoine1513]

I’m currently a medical student getting ready for graduation, so I only really know enough to be dangerous lol. But, I really appreciated your nuanced comments on this topic. As far as nutrition goes, physicians aren’t trained AT ALL in nutrition and diet. We are woefully under educated in that area and there are some who do a lot of work to become more educated. But I think it’s important for people to realize where a doctor’s expertise lies and it isn’t in giving nutritional advice. Our expertise is in treating acute disease processes and managing medications for long term outcome benefits. I love being able to consult my dietician and nutritionist colleagues so that my patients can receive good and validated information. Side note, Kackie, I LOVE the way you present nuanced opinions about topics like this, these things can be hard for people to talk/hear about and navigate it so gracefully and in such a caring way while still being your chaotic self. I admire and appreciate that! ❤

[@annetteprice]

All that plus I would add a GI specialist can sometimes be of huge help. It was a GI physician’s assistant who put an end to several years of my misery by prescribing a simple test and follow-up treatment. This was after dozens of doctor appointments, scans, blood tests, etc.

[@kerriganlemoine1513]

@@annetteprice yes 100% yes. This is why healthcare is a TEAM SPORT. We need all of us to take care of patients well

[@camillefaith2005]

My dad has been a GI for around 35 years and he definitely has put in a lot of work into understanding nutrition. I find that to be the case for a lot of GIs for sure. Not so much other fields, but a lot of GIs put in work to understanding FODMAPS and other foods that trigger issues for their patients. He treats a lot of IBS, Chrons Disease, GERD, Ulcertive Colitis etc.

[@AlcideIzMine]

I also dont think women's healthcare is taken seriously or really taught well. It's under researched and female patients are often dismissed and gaslit by their doctors. That's why an extremely common condition like endometriosis takes on average 8-10 yrs just to diagnose. And endometriosis is more common than asthma and diabetes, yet doctors seem completely oblivious about its existence 👀. Maybe if GIs and urologists learned about women's healthcare more they wouldn't misdiagnose endometriosis as IBS, Crohn's, Gluten intolerance, IC, etc. 🤔. The gaslighting and dismissal I think turns patients to alternative medicine out of desperation, and causes mistrust in traditional medicine. Both Tati and her one sister have endo, and they discussed their battle to just be diagnosed and treated. Her sister was studying to be nurse and even she was frustrated at how US healthcare just doesn't care about women's well-being.

[@maeganmchugh]

As someone who has had disordered eating my entire life, it’s so, so easy to fall down a shame spiral about everything I put in and on my body. The message that I’m doing everything wrong and therefore am a horrible person is everywhere. I just unsubscribed to another beauty creator that recently posted a video about how she quit sugar. So many people in the comments taking her experience as gospel they must follow. It was very triggering for me. Maintenance Phase has been a godsend to help me work through a lot of this stuff.

[@smithlady]

I didnt like when A did that either!!!

[@theprousteffect9717]

Yes! Pretty sure I know who you're talking about. It's very scary how quick people are to listen to every word someone says, even if they have zero credentials. I really enjoy Abbey Sharp's channel (she's an RD) because it's highly evidence based, and her anti-diet culture philosophy is so therapeutic after years of being riddled with food shame and misinformation.

[@kbmakes]

Yes, that creator's recent video about it triggered me so much. I could only watch a few minutes.

[@cinemaocd1752]

Yeah there's a whole world of eating disorders that are basically perceived food sensitivities/allergies that are really just excuses to not eat. I spent a lot of time in the weird world of Weston Price/paleo eating and so many people there were so concerned about the purity of every single food that in the most serious cases there were people eating only eggs or only grass fed ground beef and nothing else.

[@beatdizzy]

@@cinemaocd1752 So. Much. This. When I first read about the binge cycle I had to re evaluate EVERYTHING

[@stereotypea123]

She’s been sliding down this path over the last few years. I’ve heard “I’ve never felt better in my life” so many times in her videos over the years and with stuff she now thinks is bad 🙄

[@SuperSarahbop]

It’s a protest too much situation. Tati is trying to convince herself she feels better. Now I have done carnivore in the past and digestion wise it was the best I’d ever felt and that’s not saying much as I have a lot of health problems

[@CherryJuli]

@@SuperSarahbop it’s definitely psychological. When you tell yourself you feel better and really believe it, you do. The placebo effect is so well documented.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@CherryJuli true, but the reintroduction because I can’t afford to eat carnivore brought back the digestion issues. Eating I diet that’s not inflammatory when you have chronic Inflammation and autoimmune diseases is something that made a big difference at the time in so many areas. Most people don’t even know how much bad digestion effects everything so it was pretty life changing at the time. Most people that even try carnivore do so because they’ve tried most everything else and are just tired of always feeling bad.

[@autumnmoore08]

I haven’t watched your video yet, but I just watched Abbey Sharp’s video on Tati’s video. Hearing it from the perspective of a registered dietician was very helpful. I work in the health/wellness industry, and I get so tired of people watching misinformation and then wanting to argue it with me. That goes from everything to food, cleaning products, hygiene, and makeup. It’s exhausting.

[@spasticfurchild]

I wouldn’t trust Abbey Sharp farther than I could throw her 🫠

[@autumnmoore08]

@@spasticfurchild any particular reason why? I don't always love how over the top she is in her videos, or the built bar ads at the beginning of every video, but all of the nutrition information/studies that she has mentioned, that I've double checked has been correct and at the end of the day, that's all I care about... correct information without the scare tactics.

[@Updog89]

@@autumnmoore08 Abbey has a tendency to criticize or cherry pick research in a way suggests she is terrified of potentially “feeding” into people’s orthorexic tendencies, even if it may be scientifically sound and beneficial for people with very specific nutritional needs. For example, she poo-pooed a lot of the research presented by glucose goddess even though it is very well studied and potentially very helpful for people with insulin resistance (which is WAY more common than people realize). She also tried to encourage people with PCOS (usually driven by insulin resistance) to eat intuitively and refused to recommend lower carb diets (which the research shows are usually better for insulin resistance). And even worse, insulin resistance compromises lots of people’s ability to eat intuitively! It’s just not a safe approach for many people but there was zero acknowledgement of that body of research. As someone with PCOS if I followed her advice and ate intuitively I would literally get sicker. Which is crazy because she also has PCOS. But Abbey has had her own issues with orthorexia and I think it makes her overly concerned with coming off as too black-and-white or too prescriptive with dietary guidelines. But IMO she has allowed this concern to bias her so much that it makes her a poor resource for people with metabolic issues and other special dietary needs, who really do need a more prescriptive approach! I also find her tendency to review and critique KZbinr diets to be extremely dicey, ethically speaking. She is not their dietitian, and she is encouraging her viewers (who are also not dietitians) to evaluate and critique other people’s diets… IDK. I suppose it can be educational but I think the format is potentially more harmful more than helpful.

[@autumnmoore08]

@@Updog89 I totally see what you're saying!(I also have PCOS btw, and have found that intuitive eating is only intuitive if you know how your body reacts to what you consume... at that point, is it intuitive, or is it just informed decision making...) I have wondered about the ethics of reviewing the diets of others as well, and I think that it's good when there is an influencer spreading misinformation/ overly restrictive diets that someone steps in to let others know what could possibly be harmful, but I also wonder about the effect it may have on the original individual who posted their diet. It's definitely a slippery slope. As far as what you mentioned regarding her disregard for research, I haven't ran into that, but I more or less appreciate it when she debunks health myths and buzz words used to push diet culture.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@Updog89 yep I’m not a fan of Abbey Sharp she comes off rather unhinged and has a lot of issues herself that she has made public that does not make her the most professional person in her field.

[@staceyb3007]

Thank you for taking about ED, disordered eating and diet culture! It needs to be more widely understood. People need to be educated.

[@kearinarmstrong6988]

I am just so much less generous than you or most of the commenters - given that Tati came up in OG beauty youtube with the rampant undeclared financial relationships, I 100% think she has some financial interest in this. If she releases products in the wellness space in the next 6 months then 🤷‍♀️ Thank you for your commentary about how dangerous the wellness narrative is - I appreciate how caring you are for your audience to make this content ❤

[@Kayla_P99]

She already has a vitamin company (but litigation has affected her financial benefit)

[@Gabsbuzz]

My thoughts exactly!

[@tbear8839]

Omg I was thinking the same thing!!!

[@ItsSuzanR]

Yes! I was thinking this too!!! I’ve seen a lot of advertisements in cosmetics journals for neutraceuticals so it wouldn’t surprise if Halo/Tati comes out with something in that sphere!!!

[@jillholod34]

Watching Tati, I feel like I'm being recruited for a cult.

[@katiesheluk6753]

Bravo for taking this on. Tati since the beginning of her channel, cycles through these “personal revelations of wellness’, especially when her popularity starts to decline. As an individual who still struggles with an eating disorder for over half my life, she’s doing exactly the behaviours that individuals like myself have done to fuel the disorder. She won’t stop because she can’t until she finally realizes her own health issues are self created, not unlike many of us who struggle with eating disorders.

[@cloverrosfield]

kackie you're The best. as a longtime tati watcher (i fell off after bye sister gate and i never got back into the groove of watching her, but i used to watch her religiously in college and she was one of my biggest beauty influences) i just could not get into her more recent content and her "clean" language never sat right with me. it's so unfortunate that we have so many influencers that aren't just ignorant (and i don't mean that in a derogatory sense, but in the literal sense; they really don't understand biology, chemistry or even basic cosmetic chemistry) but also make confident claims without considering the breadth of their audiences or the weight of their word. i've been watching your videos since the end of the clean routine 2019 days, though i never commented and idk why when you have some of my favorite content!!! but i appreciate how articulate you are and how considerate you always are, you always make sure to account for experiences and opinions that don't align with your own but you follow the hard rules of logic! and that's so important for a discussion like this one. i'm extremely thankful that you made your points about dogwhistles and peterson's affiliations, and i hope that if tati sees this video, she understands how the harmful associations formed around clean beauty can be so insidious. thank you for this video, even if you weren't able to cover everything you wanted to say it was pretty comprehensive and easy to follow. sorry for the mini essay, but i'm looking forward to your upcoming videos and deeply appreciate your perspective!!! ❤❤❤ in the vein of a gothamista sign-off, wishing you the best of skin (and gut) health!

[@cathb4682]

Tati's competence is limited to make-up. When she launched her vitamins, I got so angry she was going to use her fame as a make-up addict to sell stuff people were going to ingest. It was clearly abuse in my opinion. Hope you know what I mean as I am not a native. Thanks for your video!

[@ashleyyeoman9872]

one of my major red flags with those whole campaign of hers is that she based an entire company around all of the benefits that she claims she is JUST NOW seeing. so she has been lying for years to her audience, because who else is buying halo, about it truly supplying her with the health benefits and overall well being within herself that she now says she has never felt before.

[@paulinab0412]

really appreciated this. The whole not naming things but saying "do your own research" with a warning tone is totally fear-mongering and directing ppl nowhere specific and thus nowhere safe or necessarily informed. I understand she's trying to avoid backlash but the vague language, disgusted body language and attitudes she shares when talking about things we all consistently consume or are in contact with... totally encourages a fear of the unknown. And like you said.. there's alot of UNKNOWNS. diving into that.. worrying about things out of our control and being "awake", for anxious or type A types can be utterly unraveling. the minerals in my tap water do much less harm to my brain than her fears would do if they lived in my head

[@parissinclair6513]

I'm glad you pointed out that calling some beauty "clean" carries with it the implication that other brands are "dirty" and therefore bad/shameful. This same implication is why drug addicts and their supporting communities are phasing out the phrase "getting clean" in favor of saying that they're in recovery.

[@BethaneyLilly]

THIS!

[@ellemred]

So very true ❤️ Also, whenever I hear people that that natural is better, I think, yeah but cyanide and ricin are natural.

[@agresticumbra]

Ricinus communis is the source of castor oil; it as well as derivatives are in so many skin focused products, and it's highly allergenic. I have all sorts of skin responses to it & its derivatives being in products - some are kinda serious, others appear as a texture change - they're avoided at all costs. I asked an allergist if his clinic could test me for a castor plant allergy, and he said they don't test for that. He also said that skin sensitivities are not allergies. I've really gotta check to see if any places test for castor plant allergies.

[@ipetzombies]

As somebody who makes perfume and has accidentally gotten uncut cinnamon oil on my skin, yeah I really hate the assumption of natural = safe. Nature low key wants to kill us, lmao.

[@logyn5587]

Thanks for responding to Tati’s agenda. Lately I’ve been getting the ick while watching her videos, and I’m relieved to find that I’m not the only one that experiences unease in this regard.

[@chaturangaful]

Oh my gosh I just left a nearly identical comment. Apparently this is a more common phenomenon than we thought 🤍

[@gabrielagabi787]

Me too. I have been feeling the same. And for me this feeling is NOT good because I have bodydismorfia and just now I found my good way with food.

[@saulemaroussault6343]

I was happy to see her return as I watched her videos pretty often, but after watching a couple I felt like she was going in a pretty concerning direction and I never went back to them. (But in the meantime I found other creators and I’m so glad !)

[@jamielinell]

Also, just so y’all know, Unbiased Science did a great podcast on organics and I was shook. They DO use chemicals (just “approved” ones) that are just as toxic and bad for the environment as conventional ones. And because they’re not as effective, they tend to use MORE of them. And EWG’s “clean 15” uses super problematic methodology. Highly recommend listening…I let go of so much stress and just wash everything really well, and try to buy from local farms when I can.

[@HCS405]

I was waiting for this comment! Unbiased science does a great job at educating the public on many controversial topics.

[@PamelaH_HappyVibes]

I am a science thinker when it comes to makeup. ‘Clean makeup’ can’t even be defined. Where are the preservatives?! Having NO preservatives is bad! ‘Clean’ preservatives don’t work. I got a Tower 28 lipgloss in a sample box. I KNOW I have to use it quick. I don’t think Tati means any harm. Tati literally believes this.

[@Criticalbeauty411]

You do such an incredible job of putting things like this into words I know this must’ve taken a lot, Thank you so much for doing it. It is so important! For me Tati kind of represents everything that I dislike lol so I’m not gonna pretend that I am or ever was a fan of hers, but I think that’s partly because she reminds me of what I went through on my own journey. Obviously I have no platform so I didn’t share it with anyone but I definitely have had health issues and gone down rabbit holes and needed to believe in extremes in order to come back to center, I guess is the best way to put it. Your response to this will help a lot of people find clarity though and you’re so incredibly eloquent. Thank you again so much for your take on this! 💗

[@kackie]

Thank you. Thank you so much for such a nuanced response.

[@Criticalbeauty411]

@@kackie it can be so difficult to articulate things like this because the topics are so emotionally charged! I know I can’t do it lol you always do such a beautiful job with topics like this, and it matters so much!

[@willowashe]

It seems really predatory that Tati can say things like “I wasn’t happy with how my brain was working, body was working etc.” yet she sells vitamins and ‘brain boosters’. In the advert videos, she talks about her feeling the best she ever has. What are we supposed to believe?

[@andreawc88]

Thank you!! 👏🏼👏🏼 somebody needed to address this! I love her, I watch all her videos. However, as a physician and beauty blogger consumer, I think voicing affirmations and cherry-picked “association or causation” effects is so dangerous. I bet this wasn’t an easy video to film and post and I appreciate you calling this out.

[@livnatkafka9017]

As a scientist, a jew and someone with disorderd eating Thank you so much for making this video! I unsubscribed after that video from her because I can't see someone so blatantly ignore her privilege and spreading misinformation. And I really recommend anyone who is reading this to go hear maintenance phase it's brilliant and made me look at so many things in a completely different light there is also you're wrong about that Michael used to host with one of my favourite writer sarah marshel

[@pinkopallinu9084]

I lost you after joo

[@elizabethtatham7343]

Michael has also started a new podcast called If Books Could Kill where he looks at bullsh*t books that either do things like give life "tips" or contain stats or anecdotes that may themselves be flawed and then the author extrapolates wildly from there. All somehow with a fun, light tone.

[@frumtheground]

It was SOOO hard to watch keep watching her that it made it easy to unsub. I have overlapping autoimmune diseases and it feels like you get bombarded with people trying to shove that "clean," "pure," whatever garbage down your throat and I just can't stand it. That kind of misinformation is SO dangerous, exploitative, and dismissive of people who suffer from debilitating health issues. Also, thanks for the book recommendation, I've heard good things!

[@abbyehrenstein2550]

Food psych is also really good

[@thenoblegasargon]

YES, Aubrey and Michael are my true loves! Methodology wonks save the day!

[@JillRebeccaBeauty]

YES YES YES! I used to work in Functional Medicine and IMO there isn’t much evidence behind a lot of the “wellness propaganda” being put out there. The constant villanization of chemicals has got to stop, it’s just causing worse problems. Look at the recent huge recall from the Laundress! I couldn’t get through the past few videos where Tati went off the deep end. So glad you are sharing your take, which is about a million times more eloquent than I could say. Thank you!

[@heyokachick]

Omg so same, girl. I didn’t even know orthorexia was a thing, but I’ve been seeing Tati on her health revelation and it reminds me of the rabbit hole I ran down and had to crawl out of over the last several years. I too, have found so much needed wisdom in listening to Maintenance Phase. This is such a huge conversation our society and culture needs to empower people in all walks and stages of life. The “clean” culture does invite the invention of “dirty norms” and its just so much more complicated and personal than that. Bravo for trying to open the conversation with some sane advice. Tread lightly in this space!

[@misfor]

It’s the backfire when one gets “evangelical” about things. This is such a complicated issue and taking her words as truth is a problem. Thank you for making this video.

[@dinygoesglam]

I would love to hear your opinion on the subject too

[@misfor]

@@dinygoesglam I touch on “clean vs. non-toxic” in my Makeup Testing and Regulation video. This is a really complicated topic and I appreciate how well Kackie handles that complexity. I would definitely want to approach it with a lot of care…

[@ndeluca77]

Tati’s video really just hit me as being super unrelatable if you’re not rich. So many people don’t even have good access to a doctor or “good” food so promoting Fiji water and customizing your diet to such extremes so often just isn’t realistic. I’m just trying to survive and I don’t like her whole vibe now.

[@kackie]

Yeahhhh

[@glitterberserker1029]

I really respect your willingness to admit you were wrong about clean beauty in the past. Like you went out on a limb and tried something and now your discussing how certain things are misleading and have unforseen side effects, instead of doing the thing we all do sometimes and doubling down on the wrong things we believe to try to save our egos. I've been in and out of Drs offices for my allergies since I was 3 and when I first saw one of your videos in 2019 I was completely uninterested because I knew clean beauty would just make my skin fall off. Rediscovering your channel last year was such a pleasant surprise.

[@cjwilliams3886]

Thank you Kackie for approaching this topic in such an informed and respectful way. There are so many self proclaimed health experts who come out and judge those who can’t follow their snake oil advice. It is dangerous for people without the education and knowledge to advertise such things to a base of people who trust them. The American medical system is fractured as well from both a patient and care giver perspective due to the pharmaceutical industry but there are more practitioners that care than those who don’t. People just need to be careful who they take advice from if they don’t have the degree and knowledge to educate and treat patients safely.

[@Soleils]

My theory is that her vitamins are no longer going to be vegan because it will be cheaper to produce them with animal bi-products and she will be able to go on her channel selling them because she's done all of these videos.

[@nikkiknack]

ooooo solid theory!

[@willowashe]

Im thinking her next product will be a detox kit.

[@patsyroyal]

I'm so glad you did this because her new focus has been bumming me out. Who even thinks of a question like "what is your favorite water????" Talk about privilege. The people of Flint, MI would like a word. And her thoughts on eating certain kinds of fat? Those who struggle with high blood pressure and heart disease would also like a word.

[@kackie]

THISSSSSS

[@mizshellytee]

Also: people in Baltimore. Also x2: Navajo Nation for decades. Also x3: Any other place without clean water.

[@katherinespencer6236]

EVERYTHING you said, plus the fact that a lot of meat (especially red meat) is an inflammatory food for many autoimmune diseases (like a few of mine).

[@krachael.00]

Sorry, I might be confused about your point regarding Flint? I’m from there, and not-safe tap water is the exact problem. Bottled water is a lot safer than lead-contaminated water. What Kackie is saying is kinda counter to that…? I get that it’s the pipes that are the problem and not inherently the water itself, but it amounts to the same thing when it ends up in your body.

[@patsyroyal]

@@krachael.00 Oh no! I think I was not being clear about Flint in my comment. Sorry, I was referring to Tati's video when she answers "What kind of water do you use?" as if it is just an assumption that people are able to access tons of varieties of high end bottled waters (Tati mentions Fiji water bc that is the brand her husband uses, or Evian, or whatever, not tap verses bottled water) or high end filtered waters. It's odd to me that people actually have a favorite brand of bottled water because many of us are lucky if we can afford a decent filter or to pay for any bottled water, much less a preferred brand. So - my point regarding Flint, MI is that once the truth of the lead in the water became widely known it was a struggle to even get bottled water and it had to be shipped in and donated and such. To act like it is just so easy and convenient to have the "best" water sounded ignorant and haughty to me. I think I was just being confusing in my wording before and did not correctly explain my meaning. sorry if I came off the wrong way.

[@micharellano67]

What I was not expecting was a Maintenance Phase shout out! I've been a Michael Hobbs stan since You're Wrong About. I have not be into Tati since she came back but I clicked on this video to hear what made you so bothered to make this video....I was not disappointed ❤

[@caitlinallday8999]

Dietitian here, for what it’s worth, red meat isn’t carcinogenic. I know there was some research and then headlines a few years ago that said that red meat was carcinogenic; however, the research methodology was wildly problematic and hasn’t been able to be replicated.

[@SuperSarahbop]

Thank you

[@caitlinallday8999]

@H M That research is not so cut and dry either; and even if it was that’s not the same thing as saying that red meat is carcinogenic. Those potential carcinogenic compounds can be mitigated in several ways, including just simply eating a mixed diet that includes veggies and fruits along with meat. We are exposed to carcinogenic compounds all day long from many different sources and our bodies are generally able to deal with them. Cooked meat is not causing cancer.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@user-jo2ik3ji8c correlation is not causation though because there are so many environmental factors we have no control of like the effects of living in an area that has factory farms nearby that spray pesticides in the air. That’s been proven to cause cancer significantly more than meat.

[@haneymobile86]

Oof I'm so here for this. Something happened to Ms. Tati when she was on her hiatus because ever since she came back she has been saying all kinds of bonkers stuff. She (figuratively) taught me how to do makeup and it really makes me sad to see this weird direction she's taken. Very squicky. P.S. Also, love Maintenance Phase. Have you listened to If Books Could Kill yet? Highly recommend.

[@kackie]

YES!

[@haneymobile86]

@emi for real! The woman basically taught me how to wear makeup and now every time I see a post from her my first reaction is to cringe.

[@haneymobile86]

@@kackie I live in Houston and the second I saw that she had moved to Dallas I was like... oof. As a former Austinite I'm sure you can understand the connotation of choosing Dallas out of all of the big TX cities. It's a yikes from me.

[@parissinclair6513]

@@haneymobile86 I don't know much about specific areas of Texas, but as someone who lives in Seattle (where she was living before) and is very familiar with the general culture/social rhetoric here, I did find it a little eyebrow-raising when she picked Texas of all states to move to.

[@heathercordova2888]

Wow just because she is trying to better her life and looking to God and getting out of LAs miserable life style , she is somehow crazy. This is so sad. I’m sad that people speak so unkind of others. I’m glad to see her new journey and I’m glad she found God and is on a new path. May God bless you all.

[@chubbyamanda6839]

These inflammatory theories really are a slap in the face for the scientific community. Scientists are not just playing house in the lab. There are so many carefully designed processes to try to find an answer without causing harm. Scientists and MDs are not evil people who have authority to try to give people issues. These people are dedicating their entire lives to help people. The wellness corps and influencers are the people who gain monetary benefits to say whatever they want without thought of repercussion. It’s just so frustrating

[@Marian304]

I’m so happy and proud people like yourself exists on this platform. Thank you for this!! Suffering from binge eating and following the diet culture all my life myself, I totally agree how videos like the one from our friend could end up influencing individuals the wrong way. ❤

[@anaclaracarvalho]

This is sooooo necessary. Thank u so much for taking the time for counterpointing every messed up idea that was shared. You are awesome and I love your channel 🫶🏻

[@californiacurvy4486]

I'm only about 15 minutes into the video, so I haven't watched the whole thing. But I just want to say from a social worker's perspective (I have my Masters in Social Work), I really love how you are addressing how some of the things that Tati has been discussing are problematic without placing blame on her or calling her a bad person. So much of social work focuses on "calling people "'in'" instead of calling people out and having the subtext of insinuating that they're a bad person for being ignorant about the history of some things. We also talk a lot about nonviolent communication which is basically focusing on the things someone said as being problematic instead of they themselves being problematic. This video reminds me a lot of that. Thank you!

[@beautibrew]

THANK YOU for making this video Kackie, I wish more people in the KZbin beauty space were bringing awareness to how problematic her content has been recently. As someone who also comes from a similar background of battling mystery ailments (especially related to gut issues) and have experienced my own share of frustration with mainstream healthcare I can empathize with where she's coming from, but her delivery and lack of well-rounded sources of info she's getting this stuff from honestly furiates me. I know what it feels like to feel helpless in your own body and how vulnerable that makes you to falling into problematic philosophies like the ones shes at the precipice of, and as someone with the amount of reach and influence she has it is incredibly irresponsible to be acting like an authority on things she has no formal training in based on anecdotal evidence from her unique experiences. UGH I'm just so frustrated, thank you for speaking on this. I really hope more people do the same

[@jenniferflores755]

She’s literally talking about what helped her. If it doesn’t apply to you, then keep it moving

[@paulinab0412]

timing of this is pristine. Just watched her sharing she made her husband switch to 100% natural fiber underwear... to fix their conception struggles. the thing about fears of the unknown is they can always be topped. we keep phones in our pant pockets right next to our reproductive organs! with that in mind it seems *insane* to hyperfixate on things like fabric content. I find alot of times when people "do their research" too deeply, they fall into a crisis and tend to hyperfixate on tiny, likely inconsequential things that they CAN change rather than those they cannot

[@SuperSarahbop]

How is that going to fix her infertility. James has proven he’s capable already. Tati has said she has endometriosis and the rates of infertility are significantly higher in women with endo.

[@monongahelacats]

​@@SuperSarahbopHer sister has endo and just announced she is pregnant. I wonder how Tati feels about this when cameras are not rolling?

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@monongahelacatsmy bets are there’s a green eyed monster there

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

@@monongahelacats didn't she pay for IVF tho? That's like $40k-$50k

[@monongahelacats]

@@Momofukudoodoowindu I believe so.

[@debbimcculloch8588]

MY FRIEND! You KNOW I had to comment on this one. Do you remember how obsessed I was when you were mentoring me with my channel???? (You were such a patient angel ❤) I was literally causing myself SO much anxiety over trying to find the ingredients that may have caused my cancer! It was to the point that it was paralyzing. That wasn’t living. And all I wanted to do after beating cancer was live each day fully. I’m so much more chill now. Yes I still use a lot of “clean” products, but I don’t analyze every single ingredient and I sometimes use traditional products. (I even eat bacon every once in a while 😂) .

[@lenka156]

In the early 90-ies I studied biology and in that time I said, if You wanna "go clean", than You can't eat, can't drink, can't breathe. All is poluted or can be dangerous, we just can live with this risk or die.

[@MacCupcakes]

I really liked this. I had watched Tati’s video, and as someone who has had disordered eating, I saw some red flags, and at the same time felt an urge to buy into some of the things she was saying (and recognized that *that* was also a red flag!) Love this context- you were able to articulate things I was feeling when I watched that video

[@creativequince]

The health and wellness industry is a $4.4 trillion dollar per year industry. If you listen to content creators, beauty KZbin is "dying". You do the math.

[@samanthaprestley]

PREACH GIRL! You just validated exactly how I feel about her videos lately. Spot on when you said Tone Def

[@amy1670]

Thank you so much for doing this!! My ED brain is not rational and will always succumb to these fantastical, cure-all diets, so hearing someone else speak about it is super helpful!

[@abigalesonline]

THANK YOUUUUUU for making this video! i dont follow tati anymore and dont see her content but i know she still has a huge following. i love love love that youre taking this opportunity to call out all the red flags. i feel like in general beauty consumers are very impressionable, and for her to be speaking on such issues knowing that her audience puts her on a pedestal is just so so dangerous. shes speaking on things she has no authority speaking on. like imagine going on the internet and telling your millions of followers NOT TO EAT VEGETABLES???? its so mind blowing. thank you for bringing this to my attention and for speaking about it in general! the average person doesnt know to look for those red flags. also for her to speak on any of these issues with the amount of privilege she has is just... so frustrating. so thank you for mentioning that as well! love this style of video and would love any other vids you might have in mind like this!

[@joannelouisa]

Thank you so much for making this video, I'm sure there was some hesitation because of the potential clap back. I think it's such an important message though! I stopped watching Tati's videos some time ago (a few months after the James Charles saga I think) because something just felt "off", but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. You call out all the problems so eloquently here! Thank you!

[@tarakendall4186]

I appreciate you making this video, because I was definitely falling prey to a number of things in that video. Happy to see another side/perspective 💛

[@tracyreed4892]

I so appreciate this video…and as someone on a long journey with SIBO, so many things (food based) on both sides of the this story make sense in that you need to find what makes you and your body feel good and not listen to all the other BS that is constantly pushing you in one direction or another. Its’s just about what you need. This is making my head spin regarding what our health system and dare I say influencers guide us towards.

[@cms4229]

Clicked right away. I have too many thoughts on this but I have to finish some work. Some small thoughts: - I understand her thoughts on fragrance - Other comments on Botox saying it’s poison (James vid from 10 days ago) was odd - Alleging the Dior air spray foundation has benzenes Also the reality is that every time you go out and take your car onto the highway, you probably breath in so many fumes in our modern society. A light spray of dry shampoo won’t kill you. Also, I totally agree how it’s hard when a person slams a product because everyone lives in a different environment, are different ages/ ethnicities/ races/ genders and have their own skincare/ makeup preferences and needs. Can you perhaps do a video of former housewife Bethenny Frankel’s stint on beauty TikTok slamming certain pharmacy and celebrity make up brands? Kind of goes with my comment above.

[@mobbagg0812]

I thought she said she was getting rid of her Dior air flash because it’s been discontinued and the ones she had were old and expired. She mentioned there’s always potential of benzene contamination in any aerosol product and she just doesn’t want to take the risk.

[@inkasaraswati7625]

I don't know what these people have been saying about botox, but botox is literally poison, a neurotoxin produced by bacteria. Which to me just makes their obsession with poison is all the more ridiculous because all things can be poison and not poison depending on the situation.

[@becominghumanagain]

I've been waiting for you to address this since I started watching Tati again because you kept talking about her, I got in just in time to watch this madness unfold. I wonder if her long hiatus and loss of influence in the beauty community will prevent this thinking from spreading like a virus through people who just like watching makeup videos. But it's wild that the wellness to alt-right pipeline is now morphing into the wearing makeup to wellness to alt-right pipeline. Do we blame Sephora??? Also I love this makeup meets commentary format. I know it's probably scary to put something like this online but I love hearing your opinion and would love to see more like this!

[@vamoskaka22]

I'm so glad you made this video! I also feel this way about the gentle parenting advice that gets thrown around social media. It's just so overwhelming and it makes me feel like the only thing I am good at is messing up my child's life. It's so stressful!

[@jamielinell]

I can’t even imagine - I am sure you’re doing amazing!!

[@slioness0078]

So I’m the only one in the comments who didn’t see an issue with her video? She used “I” and “me” how does one find her speaking HER truth problematic. She’s telling ppl what SHE has done to help herself and frankly she wasn’t lying about making better choices, it’s the truth. People can’t blame her because everyone is hyper sensitive because of their own issues and rights. “Privileged” or not, no one knows her full story. This is crazy. She might help someone speaking her truth, life is trial and error. What’s the difference from this video vs. what Tati did. OaN. You have a beautiful smile and it was very relaxing watching you do your makeup.

[@laurai8746]

I just have so much to say about this honestly don’t know where to start. So I’ll go with I agree with you 100% I first found you in Clean Routine 2019 and followed almost the same path of realisation that you did, I find it so hard to watch any of my old favourite creators because all the clean language starts to slip in and I just can’t handle it. I stopped watching Tati a while ago and after this I’m glad I did. I have suffered from binge eating and orthorexia for such a long time and even discussions around clean beauty can trigger me. I went down the rabbit hole of wellness and funnily enough the pandemic is what woke me up. I had to trust the doctors or else it was just too awful, I don’t even know if everything about the wellness journey or information is wrong and I still have adjusted my diet greatly because it helps with my binge eating. There is such obsession with been your ‘optimal self’ that people can’t see the damage they do whilst striving for it. This is certainly not a take down just someone expressing their concern for a message been put out there. As always, love the video ❤❤

[@Niccis_Narrative]

Conspiracy theories can trace back to being antisemetic, what kind of nonsense is that? That may be the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard anyone say. “Who’s going to tell Kackie that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about?”😂

[@Niccis_Narrative]

And I don’t care if there are “buzz” articles about it. It’s complete drivel. Most conspiracy theories aren’t even theories they are facts. And I feel bad for those who don’t heed the warnings and just laugh them off.

[@katsu_fries]

This is SUCH a fantastic video, thank you for taking the time to talk about this. You're nuanced thoughts on this is 1,000% spot on to what I think we're all collectively feeling

[@funkytrunkfashion]

I'm so glad for this video Kackie! When I was in my early twenties (10 YEARS ago already 😭 lol) I got introduced to the health nut world/journey (gluten free, dairy free, raw meats and foods, clean bodycare, etc etc etc it never ends) that was brewing underneath the surface before it exploded and was mainstream and "cool" to care about what goes into your body. I so wish I had been exposed to more ideas at that time because I jumped head in and ended up causing myself so much anxiety and depression because I was so strict and calculated with what I put into my body or onto my body that it started doing more harm than good specifically in the mental department lol. I still am very conscious of making what I would consider good decisions for myself but I don't try to be "perfect" anymore. Not so I try to tell people what is right for them. I will definitely get into a health nut discussion if asked but, there is always caveats to the conversation. Anytime I come across a very extreme way of thinking now I always remember to take everything with a grain of salt and try and look at both ends of the spectrum. Granted I still have a bone to pick with Monsanto too :-)

[@ivonareg]

Eating just meat and drinking only bottled water? So it's : Tati for climate change - one woman's fight against the sustainable living on this earth.

[@katiegraham6002]

The quickness with which I clicked on this notification 👀

[@fleetwoodmacncheese4159]

Same! 💚🖤

[@blueeeeeeee1266]

Same 😅

[@ErinBrookes]

Thank you for making this video. I always love hearing your opinion. I really enjoy when you make videos beyond makeup and would love to see more of them. As someone who has chronic illness I have also fallen down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out what is contributing to my symptoms and ending up with eating disorders.

[@monabaishya]

You are soooo smart, Kackie! I genuinely mean that. It is really clear that you have really great critical thinking skills. One thing about Tati is that she is now demonizing many products that she stood behind for years! I recently gave in and bought a brush cleaner that she loved for years, but now will no longer buy. And something about that feels twisted.

[@_bahhumbug]

This is such an important conversation, especially at this moment in history. If you or anyone else who sees this wants to look more into the history of the wellness culture, I highly recommend reading about Dr. Kellogg (lol yes that Kellogg) and his wellness movement which included his eugenics beliefs and also some evangelical extremism. It’s important right now because society has decided to ignore an ongoing pandemic and the mass death and disablement it’s causing so people will be looking for anything under the sun to treat their long covid which means more people than ever will be vulnerable to this “wellness” messaging. Tati is a smart business woman and I worry she sees this and is taking advantage of it to rake in as much money as possible regardless of whether or not she’s aware of where that pipeline leads. Disability advocates have been warning of this rise in “wellness”, Imani Barbarin is a great person to look to for a disabled perspective, she was featured in a video with The Financial Diet called Disability, Money, and the Dangers of “Wellness” Culture. Thank you for getting this conversation out there in the beauty community. As an immunocompromised person watching all of this from a distance, I was hoping someone would speak up about it.

[@spruhakurlekar261]

Was watching you on TV and opened the app just to comment: you might get hate for this video but I so appreciate that you said something! Ever since Tati went on hiatus and found religion or whatever she's been on a weird journey

[@nicolesmith525]

I completely agree

[@sarakleinsmith8783]

I love you, Kackie. This is very important. I’m a yoga teacher, former austinite, and definitely drank the “purity” kool aid. This conversation is super important.

[@annikatribby5717]

It irked me when she said she was foregoing plastic razors now to help landfill but then does 'mega huge PR hauls every season '

[@thenatalieart]

i really appreciate the inserts of term definitions thank you so much

[@fleetwoodmacncheese4159]

Same. I don't have to Google in the middle of the vid. I love that Kackie explains things clearly. She's incredibly intelligent and is easy to understand.

[@SilverFlame123]

I just realized you would be such a fabulous Maintenance Phase guest. I would love to hear you all chat about the clean beauty space. This was such an insightful video, and put words to my own discomfort with Tati. I have not been able to watch her since she came back from her hiatus, and I used to love her content! Practically everything she says that isn’t about makeup makes me squirm. I hope she turns things around.

[@liz54321]

I was surprised when Tati started saying that things with coconut oil were great, when she's been saying for years how she's alergic to coconut..

[@kackie]

Oh that's an interesting detail. She also pointed out how appalling Teflon in makeup is, when her Tati Beauty eyeshadows had Teflon in them.

[@liz54321]

@@kackie I hadn't even realized that. My parents always had a strong aversion to Teflon. Which is one of the reasons I didn't buy her pallet.

[@SuperSarahbop]

@@liz54321 coconut oil as far as oils go is actually known to be damaging for the hair and it’s definitely not an oil known for its moisturizing and hydrating properties

[@jordanfontenot2648]

I haven't been subscribed to her in years, so it must have been over 4 years ago, but I remember her saying she did a food allergy test and said she was allergic to avocado (among many other things), and now is touting avocado oil.

[@uribheidi]

My heart breaks for Tati because I know exactly where all this is coming from. She’s been trying to get pregnant for a long time. I can relate because I was infertile for 8 long years with unexplained infertility. I was where she is now. They can’t tell you why you’re not getting pregnant. It can make you absolutely insane if you let it and I did. I was on google every day trying to figure out why I couldn’t get pregnant. My body was betraying me and I felt like a failure of a woman (my shit, I know) I had no control and no answers and was dealing with the fact that as the years went by it was looking less and less likely that I was ever going to get pregnant. I started looking in the most bizarre places to find ways to “fix” myself. Diets, herbs, teas, meditation, acupuncture, I even bought a fertility oil off of Etsy. I was in so much turmoil that I became borderline obsessed. I did eventually get pregnant after my fertility doctor told me we’d need at egg donor. I was 42 and I have no idea how or why I got pregnant but my daughter is 4 now. I think Tati is getting a lot of this from a book called “It Starts With The Egg”. It tells you that you need to eliminate all these “toxins” from all these places from your deodorant to your Tupperware. I think she is lost in a haze and in a lot of pain right now. Infertility isn’t something I’d wish on my worst enemy. I’m giving her a pass with this stuff because I just know it my heart where it’s coming from and it’s so, so, so hard. I think she is being so assertive about it because she so badly wants to believe what she’s saying and desperately wants it to be the answer to her prayers. I think if Tati got pregnant you would see her completely change track. I’m not saying this isn’t problematic but if she’s anything like I was, infertility has likely become her whole personality. It truly can consume you.

[@magdalaperucha1312]

Thanks for saying this. I agree infertility is very painful for her and she may be overcompensating while trying to solve this painful problem. Personally, I didn't think much of her video because I just didn't agree with some things and moved on to Best of Makeup 2022 😅 Most of her audience is older, I feel, and can just take her advice with a grain of salt and move on if it doesn't jive with them. You can't please everyone. I still very much enjoy her makeup reviews and her calming voice. 😊

[@juliecraig6770]

also it could simply be the issue of the man - no blame just saying - woman blame themselves for everything 😢

[@shelbs200]

5min in and I am like 'THANK YOU!!!!' this is why I watch and love you Kackie!! 💗

[@pocketvision24]

Yesss, so glad to see people talking about this. The podcast Eating For Free has a good episode on Tatis journey post "Dramageddon"

[@amyjoyce6635]

Omg I’ve been screaming these same things in my head every time I watch her new content! I cringe every time she grabs a product and goes “and the ingredients on this are super clean and great”. Bright side - it’s making for a great future episode of Maintenance Phase? 😅

[@aileenbell6750]

Obsessed with Maintenance Phase. So glad it is being heard by the world. Thanks for this video.

[@ShallaGreen]

I love Maintenance Phase! I haven't watched Tati in a while and I didn't know she'd gone so far down this concerning "wellness" pipeline. I think getting into selling vitamins was probably a signal she was going to go this way eventually, but wow. The thing about the whole "removing all veggies" thing is it does have a small basis in some bowel conditions - IBS, Crones, etc. But it's not all veggies, just certain ones, usually cruciferous ones because if your bowels are having a hard time, those are harder to digest (especially if they're raw). Which is tragic for me because those are my faves and I have to very, very careful with my serving sizes or I will regret it for a better part of a day 😭

[@ChrissyGrace2611]

“What can you do about it realistically without it driving you insane!” This is my favorite quote from this and it’s just so damn true! Thank you ❣️

[@amandae7896]

I’m so glad you made this! I think you are perfectly situated in this space to be the one to do it

[@Beautyonthebrain_]

Can we also discuss how ableist her ideas are?? I would love to massively change my body, but I'm lucky if I can stand long enough to feed my cats. I'm also getting a tinge of disparity blindness, she doesn't understand that living the way she is living is a privilege that a lot of us don't & never will have.

[@TheSim1derful]

Sooo ableist. I had to get a double lung transplant to get a "healthy" body lmao

[@sea_g0at]

omg the weakness talk. yes!!! people who judge others for not eating all organic or whatever need to stfu and acknowledge their privilege. things as simple as having easy access to fresh produce …. not everyone has the resources, tati. ALSO- don’t judge others. if you really care about peoples health there are better directions in which to direct your focus. the prevalence of food deserts in this country, for example. or the INSANE costs and complexities of the healthcare industry. on a very basic level: the fact that there are people even CHILDREN literally starving because people don’t want their taxes to go towards “government handouts” for the poor. i’m getting heated and my arguments aren’t even cohesive and i doubt anyone who needs to hear these things is ever going to read them but. damn.

[@compassionandhumility]

Thank you! I wish more big KZbinrs were discussing this.

[@melaniemunroe1010]

Thank you so much for doing this video and for helping me and my anxiety around wellness. It really did help me.

[@olechka2023]

Very refreshing to see a beauty utuber with a brain! Thank you Kackie!

[@cms4229]

Also, I just finished this video fully. It’s fully all my thoughts. This was amazing. I am going to rewatch it again for dinner. Like I remember back in the day, when I was a teen, Michelle Phan was promoting diy face masks with lemon juice and baking soda or like aspirin. Obviously, lots of young teens would watch that and damage their faces and feel worse about their acne. What Tati is doing I believe is even more dangerous cause a lot of her viewers are adults now who may be struggling in their own way so they could try to follow Tati in her ways without having any spousal/ family support or the financial means to do so leading to worse results.

[@sophileh6185]

I really like how you wrote on the screen - it’s an impressive feat of articulation and highly appreciated language modeling

[@adriennes562]

I feel like I’ve watched hundreds of your videos over the years and I’ve never commented on one (even though I have very much enjoyed them) but I just had to say that I really appreciate your commentary here and truly admire how eloquent you are at expressing your thoughts and the realness you embody with all of your content ❤

[@kackie]

🥹 thank you.

[@andreabootsma8478]

I just feel like we have all seen the terrible mental/social etc experiences that Tati has gone through and while I have first hand experience in being told that my physical symptoms are all in my head and I don't want to say that's what she's doing I don't think we can discount the degree to which getting out of the LA atmosphere is a part of why she's feeling so much better & adding to the results that she's seeing. This is exacerbated to me by the way that she talks in what you called "weakness language". I don't think that she is trying to be hurtful to others, I think she's really bought into these ideas because I can hear almost a sense of hate for her own past self who wasn't doing those things/working hard enough etc. I hope she has people in her life (and that the people watching this content have people in their lives) who remind her that she is valuable even with unoptimized health, and that being sick isn't a moral failing or a character weakness