Why Haven’t the Blades of Chaos Lost Any Power? God of War Ragnarök Theory

[@masterchef3019]

I sort of wish the Blades played a bigger part in the final battle with Thor. Imagine Kratos doing a Hyperion slam with Thor hurling Mjölnir at full speed, the fire and thunder crashing together to create a primordial firestorm

[@chefboiardeeznutz9881]

I hope they play a bigger role in future games. Either way, they are still the G.O.A.T. when it comes to Kratos weapons. And I hope Draupnir is still in his possession as well.

[@unkn0wnmortaL]

Goddamn this is legit,instead of the axe like the first fight, itd be the blades

[@noahmccathern6458]

Epic yes, but it wouldn't make sense. The axe was created to combat the hammer. That's the ENTIRE point of the Leviathan Axe. So I wish the axe was broken somehow along the journey and then the blades would make sense

[@shreav]

@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 I think the idea was that Kratos always identified more strongly as a Spartan before a God and that a spear was a proper Spartan weapon. But like you said, those freaking blades are just G.O.A.T...

[@Sahnie-E]

OR like how by pressing triangle he spins one of the blades, and thor began doing the same with mjolnir as they walked in a circle just like in the beginning when the axe and mjolnir crashed together OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[@SkyEcho751]

Perhaps "Chaos" is the reason Kratos can defy fate, I mean the concept of Fate is essentially just a cosmic form of "Order" which would mean that The Blades of Chaos defy the existences derived from Primordial Order, such as Fate and Destiny. This would actually make Kratos the strongest "God" in the GoW universe, because he literally defies fate and embodies life itself.

[@truekurayami]

Given that in Greek Mythos the Fates are the grand daughters of Chaos who brought for literally everything it's nature should be able to do anything. The Blades of Chaos are tools/weapons used to destroy one possibility and create another. They seal the fated end of the Olympians while freeing the Greek world from it's fated path by killing the fates. They confirmed the prophecy of Loki in reaching the realm of the giants but denied Kratos fated end from that same prophecy.

[@Beastboi2525]

found the warhammer fan

[@dead_emerald]

In GoW Ragnarök, the nornirs tell Kratos that the fate doesnt exist at all, that they can just see what will they do cuz they actions re too predictable, so there is no fate, just predictions

[@dead_emerald]

But I agree he is the strongest god

[@truekurayami]

@@dead_emerald Kratos killed The Fates in Greece that could actively manipulate events, he saw how they acted and was deeply concerned the Nornir were just like the Fates when Loki brought them up in the first Nordic game, and why he still had reservations meeting them in Ragnorok.

[@HectorLopez0217]

Surtur earned his title of Brave not for heading into prophecy and Ragnarok head first, but was willing to halt it altogether for the sake of his love, Sinmara.

[@bengsynthmusic]

Hmm...so could he have ascended to the higher realms like Thor as well?

[@Danish_8876_]

@@bengsynthmusic thor didnt went to higher realm it was odin magic prob that shows that green aura

[@darc22005]

For someone that existed at the beginning of the entire universe being a primordial being. seeing him do everything he could to save his love. I couldnt respect him any more than I do. What an amazing guy

[@faveltramous]

5:38 it’s crazy when he graves the blades, the reason Kratos is in agony is because his arms are literally catching on primordial fire while the power surges through him.

[@ericinfante1885]

The way he looks around the blades makes me believe he felt an enormous power surge and boost ontop of what the blades already give him. Remember the blades fuel his rage and astronomically boost him overall! Imagine with even more primordial fire how much more powerful he felt in that instant? Other God's would have just gotten drunk and corrupted off of that power yet he returned the extra fire back into surturs chest

[@LS-wy4bk]

​​​@@ericinfante1885that would be more usefull than what Surtur did in Ragnarok..

[@shyelbeshter]

@@LS-wy4bk surtur is just for intimidation

[@ericinfante1885]

@@LS-wy4bk lmao fr kratos was ragnarok surtur was the fucker that killed allies lol

[@Tray3tar]

@@ericinfante1885 man I thought I was the only one that thought that

[@RonaldMcreepy]

I love how the blades of chaos are the *only* blades that were actually chained to kratos's skin. literally BURNED INTO HIS FLESH

[@Dat-Boi-Camoja]

I mean that’s literally the deal 🤷🏽‍♂️ it was given and no taken

[@RonaldMcreepy]

@Dat Boi yep. pretty cool and very painful

[@name.doommvi]

Why

[@RonaldMcreepy]

@@name.doommvi why what?

[@Noname-gm5om]

They burned down to bone and pus when Kratos skin was weaker

[@ellobo3175]

The Blades of Chaos and Kratos are bound to each other. That's the curse placed upon Kratos. His immortality also means that the powers of the blades are just as undying. The fact that Kratos can never get rid of the blades as they will always follow him wherever he goes is proof positive that Kratos and the Blades of Chaos are one and the same in some way. The blades are an embodiment of the curse, an embodiment of Kratos himself.

[@Castiel335]

I mean the blades don’t follow him everywhere. Kratos went back for them because he needed them to save his son it was kratos who went back to the blades. I think when he threw away the blades it would just return to him the next day.

[@FriedSheep69]

Pretty sure the blades are just there to hold his Fury, as they only glow when he is angry, the fire is inside him, not the blades, he is slowly losing that fury due to getting better and improving his behaviour so probably in the next game they will become useless since Kratos will probably become a real, venerated god, so his power will be untouched by anger. Hopefully

[@vlad_47]

@@FriedSheep69 Infact having the Blades and fighting with them increases his rage very greatly in-lore and thats also shown in the recent game in the gameplay aswell.

[@mickilarry4890]

He said it himself when he tries to get rid of the blades, they came back

[@ellobo3175]

@@mickilarry4890 Exactly.

[@chriswinters7115]

I've talked about this before, I think that the actual metal used to hold the primordial fire is part of the chaos entity. In ascension they say that the world was created when the primordials fought and killed each other. So I think that ares found a piece of the primordial chaos entity and gave them to hephestus and he used them to hold primordial fire.

[@luadevargas127]

I've always thought of something very similar, since metals and such are part of the worlds nature (world formed by these very primordial beings), the Blades were forged with Chaos "essence" and imbued with another primordial force, the Fire, which is infinite in power since it's the source of every fire in these many "worlds" or "realms". One other thing i like to think about the Blades is a kind of parallel to the power of Hope, conjured by Athena (which i see as the opposite of Ares), a force for good and rebuilding, and the Blades of Chaos, a force of evil and destruction, those two "powers" are among the 3 most powerfull weapons at least in the greek world, with the Blade of Olympus actually being the least powerful between the three, even tough we see it as being the most one. Anyway thanks to whoever reads this and actually gives any tought.

[@13superjedi]

​@Luã de Vargas this would actually make perfect sense, especially if you consider that Surtr himself looks like he isn't just made up of fire, but organic material as well and even shiny parts on him that is clearly metal, so the idea of a Primordial Being composed of fire AND metal is definitely on the table of possibilities in the GoW universe. Who's to say the Primordial Tartarus in Greek mythology wasn't similarly composed of fire, lava, molten rock, and metal? I believe I even read once in one of the same novels Kap mentioned about the Chains of the Blades of Chaos being indestructible and incapable of corrosion or being chipped or nicked or dulled and so on. This would make for good shackles that could forever imprison an Immortal being like say, a Titan? 👀 and all the Titans were chained in Tartarus with unbreakable chains by Zeus himself. Kratos literally made a bond with the Blades, so after killing Ares, or perhaps even after breaking his oath by killing the Furies, no chains made in the Underworld could ever hold him... but my dramatic theorist brain has dug deep enough of a rabit hole for one night, and apologizes to all who have to read this long rambling comment ✌️

[@luadevargas127]

@@13superjedi first of all, i like reading these and sharing opinions and theories, so don't be sorry; So to be more in depth, i strongly believe what you said to be the case, i see the primordials as the "stuff" that forms the universe, the basic foundations of reality (only the lower plane) formed from their conflict, they are forces of nature but they're more as well, they are concepts, such as Chaos for example, and that being said, the Blades being forged from the very flesh of Chaos makes it part of him, a being of pure power that predates existence, imbued with fire from the same ages makes the Blades of Chaos weapons beyond Greek Mythology, just like David Jaffe once said that he tought about in an interview (which unfortunately i don't remember right now exactly, but i PROMISE i will send the link with the time when i find it). Being the "Blades of Chaos", i wouldn't be surprised if they act like a symbiote in Spider-Man 3, very subtle but always bringing out the worst in their wielder, feeding their rage, and acting towards the will of their master "Chaos" (yeah i know it's too much fanfic). Oh and the Surtr's body example was great, i didn't even think of it, so thanks (and sorry about another text, but it's yout fault for making me think too deep like a philosopher about the Blades).

[@georgiancountryball202]

The thing is chaos was the beginning of ALL elements so technically primordial fire is of essence from chaos

[@13superjedi]

@Georgian countryball You're right! I remember this excerpt taken from what I think was that old Website they used to promote the Chains of Olympus game: The Caves of Mount Olympus hold the flame that spawned all others: the Primordial Fire, which long ago was stolen and given to man by the Titan Prometheus. It is the flame that gives the God Helios his power and the source of Helios' energy. "In the beginning, there was nothingness, Chaos. Out of it came Life, which split its essence evenly among the Primordials, who then proceeded to shape everything in existence. The Primordial Fire was one of these powers born out of the essence of the original Life. Upon its creation, it departed to another world outside the living universe, spawning all fires in existence during the process. After the birth of the Hecatonchires and their imprisonment by Ouranos, the primordial goddess Gaia, highly distressed by the tyranny of her husband, met with her son, Hyperion, eldest and wisest among the Titans. He suggested that one would need a tremendous amount of energy to connect the (at the time separated) realms of Tartarus and the land of the living in order to free the Hecatonchires, and so Gaia bestowed the powers of the Primordial Fire upon him so he could use them to create a Hyperion Gate connecting the realm of Tartarus with the world of the living and rescue them, thus leading to the birth of the Power of the Sun. Upon the Titans' defeat, the Power of the Sun left Hyperion's body and passed on to Helios, who used its immense might to banish the 'primordial evils of the darkness' and force them back into the shadows to restore order to the Living World."

[@Billious]

Maybe chaos as the first Greek god, embodies the primordial elements, with him being the source of the primordial fire within the blades, which Hephaestus forged into blades in the underworld

[@vlad_47]

Yeah it does draw from Chaos but the Protegonoi are way weaker than the Olympians. Blades of Chaos are one of the lesser devine weapons in Greece, and the fact that they are suddenly such a big deal in the Norse world only shows how much more powerful the Greek weapons and gods are.

[@Sm8keVevo]

@@vlad_47 not true chaos is actually the strongest primordial being the Father of all primordials n gods literally the first one it make sense that bro’s shit is on op

[@vlad_47]

@@Sm8keVevo The Primordials are weaker than the Titans in GoW as seen with how Nyx gets banished by Helios every morning, and the other Primordials also work in Zeus' cosmic order. Chaos itself was also tamed and "conquered" by Ouranos in GoW, before he got killed by Cronos so.. Older doesnt mean more powerful, and the norse primordials like Surtr who are dimished asf with time, dont compare to the cosmic Protegonoi of Greek Mythology at all anyway.

[@Sm8keVevo]

@@vlad_47 he could be dead not my point pure essence means pure power in the religion an in the game doesn’t matter if it’s dead it’s more powerful then when said being was alive via Helios,Hercules, Apollo , hades, icarus , any weapon forged in gow , leviathan axe 🪓 etc

[@LS-wy4bk]

​​​@@vlad_47Rofl, they are better than Hades claws, one of the big 3. They Also are described as indestructible the only weapon besides Blade of Olympus that doesnt get destroyed by Zeus explosion.

[@tbowne05]

I got so excited when the blades got imbued by surtr. I wish it had actually been reflected in the gameplay for the end of the game like with some new ability.

[@thomasalvarez6456]

Like the Eitr poison.

[@shinsai-sa6249]

Fr

[@neoblazezz]

dont think it was possible since we can see the entire tree and all he did was empower them but he used it all up to make surter transform so we would have lost it after one fight

[@reapershadow1656]

Yeah or The Colour of Fire Change into Red like the OG

[@Scott_L_Jeffrey]

I think you answered the reason why we have the blades of chaos instead of Exile. Exile was created with Greek pantheon magic. So once the Greek pantheon was destroyed, the blades reverted to their original primordial state.

[@jabudecapricornio8750]

The Blades of Exile's primordial state is the Blades of Athena , they are a separate set of Blades , the Blades of Chaos were lost in the fight with Ares , but came back because they are magically bound to Kratos

[@TheSilverShadow17]

The blades themselves are a physical embodiment of the immortality curse that Kratos was forced to put up with for the past 1,000+ years in the GoW universe, no matter where he goes or how far in the ground he buries them, they'll always follow him everywhere as if the blades and Kratos are bound to each other.

[@Noname-gm5om]

Kratos is not 1000 plus he’s only a couple hundred years old

[@bibbyshibby]

@@Noname-gm5om via screenrant : "The end of God of War 3 focuses on the destruction of Sparta, which happened in 464 BC, God of War takes place before Fimbulwinter, the event that signals Ragnarök, which occurred in 535 AD. Based on those two dates, and assuming that Kratos is in his 30's at the time of God Of War I, then it can be estimated that Kratos age is ~1050 years old by the start of God of War (2018)."

[@99ak]

​@@Noname-gm5omkeratos is 1055 year old

[@Vikturus22]

"even the blade of olympus lost its power." deveolpers " Laughs in valhalla "

[@Comicbroe405]

Loved the thumbnail & intro styles! They're really great. Also the Blades being primordial weapons makes sense as they were forged in Tartarus, one of the Greek primordial deities/ areas.

[@georgiancountryball202]

They were forged out of primordial flame and primordial chaos in the primordial entity of Tartarus that is a lot of primordialness

[@MegaDrain]

I really like that with them being created by Hephaestus in Hades. Because Hades's weapon are also chained weapons that work exactly like Kratos's does, as well as the Nemesis Whip. We know Kratos doesn't have to use chained weapons and by the time Hephaestus gives us the nemesis, we already have the claws of hades. Which means Hephaestus clearly as a "type" of weapon he likes making, especially for those that like to use them.

[@ebusive]

Without watching the video: the fire that the blades were forged in is something so fundamentally primordial that it precedes all gods and pantheons. It explains why Surtr, as a primordial being, was able to infuse his power into it. I feel that the primordial fire is the same as the rift and the higher realm that Athena is connected to: these are things that transcend Gods

[@mr_brownyt4388]

They're very powerful, but not sure if they're the MOST just by pure destructive power

[@wahm7872]

It has the highest CEILING of all weapons. That'd what he means. Look what happened when the blades of chaos got infused with more primordial fire

[@ShamanZ-ji9qu]

I say they are more powerful than Blade of Olympus. Because it's is indestructible. Zeus destroy all Godly Weapons from Kratos at the final battle, but only Blade of Chaos is still intact and in one piece. Ares rips The Blades out of Kratos at the end of GOW1. Yet the Blades would still comeback for it's master. I think the only way to destroy the Blades of Chaos is it must be destroy by Chaos herself.

[@tommoore2012]

@@ShamanZ-ji9qu Not just the Blades of Chaos. The Blades of Exile also survived Zeus. Since their magic is derived from Athena that means they are still active. I picture a future game where Kratos meets up with Atreus again to see his son is wielding the Blades of Exile.

[@ShamanZ-ji9qu]

@@tommoore2012 I believe both Blades of Athena/Exile are Blades of Chaos being cameo by Athena.

[@tommoore2012]

@@ShamanZ-ji9qu They’re not.

[@ThunderManDabro]

I imagine that kratos is not even using the blades of chaos at their full potential because in gow 1 he was always angry. So if he wasn't controlling his rage in the norse realm it would probably make an earthquake with the plume of prometheus.

[@monhi64]

Wait GOW 2018 and Ragnarok were him with tight control over his rage? Jesus I mean I probably should’ve known even though I didn’t play the originals but he was still a very angry man lol

[@RCNFLOriginal]

Kratos is where the whole joke "Local man too angry to die" comes from as far as I am aware. He was the original @@monhi64

[@TheRealMan_EmperorHimself]

​@@monhi64in the originals he was so angry that he was killed and sent to Hades mid combat, crawled out of Hades, killed his uncle before he left because "dead people don't come back," after which he kills Death itself to actually get out of Hades. Once he's out he rips apart his cousin with his bare hands. And that wasn't even the angriest.

[@12345678abracadabra]

They mentioned it in the game. Primordial power is not magic tied to any realm, but exists in all realms, before the formation of multiple realms. So unlike Kratos' magic, the blades don't lose power after Olympus fell because it contains old, untethered magic.

[@just_a_rapperjetblack9556]

I can say with confidence if Kratos imbues his spartan rage into his blades as he did in ghost of Sparta there isn't anything Kratos can't lay chaos to.

[@peachydls341]

The blades are so dangerous and legendary that when Kratos eventually dies and has to answer to the higher power, the blades will have their own separate trial.

[@pumcia718]

" the blades will have their own separate trial" each

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

This is like in Doom Eternal when his Super Shotgun was considered so terrifying, even to the same level as the Slayer himself, that it gets it's own entry in their demonic bible

[@relicking9207]

My understanding of Surtur's line of "Yeah, that's Primordial Fire in those" wasn't that they had _his_ fire, but a rather another source of Primordial Fire, which is why they were able to handle Surtur's Flames

[@N0R5K]

Yeah that how i interpret it. I thought it was common sense?

[@Dawd7]

​@@N0R5K me too 😂

[@KicktheSky34]

I think Kratos was always wielding the Blades of Chaos throughout the old games, we just didn't know it. We already knew they have a tendency to change form when imbued with power, so it's not much of a stretch that Athena could alter them if she wished, especially since she too was a god of war. It was just one more cruel lie, meant to trick Kratos into keeping himself in chains.

[@TheShape45]

They did confirm The blades of athena and exile are the same blades,but not the same ones as the chaos blades.

[@OberonFox]

The fact that his blades are of a primordial fire and chaos makes sense when you look at Greek mythology as a whole. Chaos in the original Greek beliefs was a neutral force that gave birth to everything in the universe. It isnt specifically a negative force but one that causes evolution and adaptation of life and people. This is fitting considering its the chaos of Kratos' life that led him down the path he is on now, including his growth and adaptation, yet it is also his literal burden to bare. Loki is also the personification of chaos in the Nordic pantheon and in the original pantheon, Loki's father was Fárbauti which translates to "Anger Striker" or "He who strikes with anger". Fire is also seen as a life giving force in countless Pagan religions including Greek and Nordic stories and pantheons. Loki is associated with fires as the Ash Lad in some tales on top of being a bringer of Chaos for both bad and good. Essentially, the world being born from chaos and fire is a running theme in a lot of paganism which the developers do well to show. The God of War writers have clearly done their research and have connected the Greek and Nordic Pantheon through basically every single shared belief between the cultures, resulting in the translation between the old god of war and the new ones feeling seamless. Past mistakes leading to greater redemptions and outcomes is also a common thing found in both pantheons as well, as the many mistakes of Loki led to technological advancements for humanity. As for the Greeks, the mistake Chronos made leads to the rise of the gods and the creation of the lands. Where there is chaos and fire, there is growth, adaptation, life and hope. All things Kratos possesses.

[@reysterretuyafeliciano6528]

People keep forgetting that the Blades of Chaos was also imbued with the power of another Titan, Thera… From the GOW Ghost Of Sparta PSP game, That is also why the Blades have Primordial Origins.

[@kosmita-co6db]

OOOOO you mentioned me at the end of the video!!!!!! Thank you Kap ❤️

[@KaptainKuba]

Thanks you!

[@kosmita-co6db]

@@KaptainKuba Always a pleasure

[@DemianCorvus]

Might I add that Chaos was, in Greek mythology, the origin of everything? In comparison, in Norse mythology, at the beginning of everything there were two realms: Muspelheim (primordial realm of fire) and Niflheim (primordial realm of ice). Considering that Surtr is one of the jötun linked directly to Muspelheim and creation, I took his words as "both my flame and that blades' come from before Creation Myths". It's redundant to say that the Blades of Chaos are made from primordial fire and pirmordial chaos, both are the same, both are forces of origin.

[@akhsanarrazi7825]

Quick note, at 4:55 when you said that he used the primordial fire to kill another primordial being, the video you shows is not using blades of chaos, but blades of athena

[@suprememax1426]

He made a video where he claims the blades of Athena are the blades of chaos enhanced by athenas power. And the blades of chaos are the reverted state of the blades

[@SeanAwesomeness]

@@suprememax1426 Kuba is wrong about that one. The Blades Of Athena and the Blades Of Chaos are completely different. In the GOW 2 Novels, it’s stated that Kratos dismissed the Blades Of Chaos and picked up the Blades Of Athena.

[@LJGrindewald]

@@SeanAwesomeness literally. They're hanging on the wall in the god of war throne room at the end of god of war. He kept them there whilst having the blades of athena/exile.

[@xenomorphlad9895]

​@@SeanAwesomeness I know in cannon there different sets of blades, But i like the idea of Kratos having the same set of Blades throughout his whole journey, Just makes his loathing of them more real. Like after Kratos kills Ares Athena goes to that pocket dimension Ares used to torment Kratos, Grabbed the blades Upgraded them to the Blades of Athena, and gifts them to Kratos. And then after the Events of GoW3 When Kratos betrays Athena (In her eyes anyway) She Takes away the Power she imbued the Blades with Reverting them back to their Chaos form, Than curses Kratos with them never allowing him to escape them. That's just my head cannon anyway

[@vlad_47]

@@xenomorphlad9895 The Blades of Chaos are those who he killed his family with and symbolise his servitude to Ares "like a slave to a master". Thats why he hates them and discarded them for the Blades of Athena.

[@yawthesceptic5512]

This is the reason why I love your channel, some little details that we oversee, you turn it into something interesting.

[@Yaro_y]

I always thought about that because they're the "blades of Chaos" and Chaos is a primordial being, and now that Surtr confirms that they have primordial fire it all makes sense. I have a theory that the Giants are related to the creation of the mythologies since almost every mythology has something about giants, and we now that in GOW the Giants went to other worlds and Atreus is after them. What if Chaos is some kind of giant since both Chaos and Ymir are related to the creation of their respective mythologies.

[@ExtremeGameplays1]

Thanks for the interesting video. It did seem odd how Ragnarok showed a lot of sections where Kratos cuts raw iron with ease using the blades. Looked like cutting through butter. They're taking the blades to a whole new level. Interesting.

[@Eggmeedits]

Your iceberg vid is amazing and also hi

[@GhostGamerzGG]

The Blades of Chaos were forged in the Underworld by Ares and were saturated with primordial fire, allowing them to ignite with each attack. Ares, the ancient Greek god of war, was extremely bloodthirsty and made this out of his desire for brutal slaughter and cruel warfare. Even Zeus, the father of Ares, was not happy about this, and would have severely punished him, if he weren’t his own flesh and blood. Ares is not that popular and his worship is not much in Greece. I love this episode and also, playing the game as well. 👍

[@matttan8066]

Also the Name "Chaos" is the primordial Goddess Chaos/Khaos also known as Kratos Great Grandmother

[@boracelik9391]

Thanks! I know it’s not much but just wanted to say u’ve got great content brother keep up the good work 🔥🔥

[@beanbean9364]

I think it sucks that the blades didn’t get a new “upgrade” I actually got really excited cause it looked like they became more powerful. Hopefully in the future they get upgrades.

[@bibby659]

From what I gather, the blades had a power no god could wield without the chaos energy inside them tainting the god using it, and no mortal could withstand the power it gave. The fact that even to this day Kratos has many of the gifts that his father gave him, such as godlike durability and endurance, but also demi-god powers in turn. It honestly seems to me like Zues had planned long ahead to remove Ares from his seat as the god of war, and wanted someone he thought he could control. Maybe what Hercules said about Kratos being Zues's favorite was very much true for that reason. Afterall if he could control something or someone with godlike power, who could also wield a primordial weapon like the blades of chaos, give them the power of the god of war, and the seat of power with it in Olympus... then you would have the strongest weapon in the world. Stronger than even the blade of Olympus and with the power to go to other realms and worlds without being nerfed due to how each world works. Afterall if Zues could wield a person using the blades, he could conquer not only the Norse Universe, but the Egyptian and Aztec's ones as well using Kratos alone. Afterall Kratos has already proven that without most of his weapons from his greek universe, that he can take out and overpower even Odin in his own realm and on his own home turf, being his own universe. As well as overpower Tyr even still who has experience and training from every one of those other universes/worlds. So if Kratos had been on Zues's side, he would have been used more than likely to invade the other realms, worlds, and kill the other gods to take their power and land for himself (zues).

[@chinmaykishor102]

The real reason why the blades never lost their power The Blades : They Dont Know Me Son

[@Risking_Ghost]

I didn’t know much of GoW greek lore so sorry if I’m wrong. I guess by this theory, the reason GoW 2018 is blade of chaos not blade of exile because blade of exile have part of athena’s magic in them. so when olympus fall and every weapon lose its power, athena’s magic also gone, revert blade of exile back to blade of chaos.

[@Delta_Ashen]

In 7:11 atreus said "these runes aren't in this world" well what caught into my mind is that the runes may be different but when the war symbol Ω I think it indicates that kratos knows that which means these runes might be connected to Greek pantheon because in vanaheim's water isn't there and since kratos killed all Greek gods they were the most important gods because they control earth's things like for Helios God of sun and for Poseidon God Of the Seas but if skoll and hati chases the moon and Sun but how come the moon is been stolen maybe with Helios dead the moon didn't set in earth's satellite and which for Poseidon since he's dead there's no water and in vanaheim there's no water which makes it as Greek is connected to aesir and Greek not only its connected to aesir it's fully connected to Jötinheim

[@Onion0579]

The new ragnarok dlc brought back the blade of Olympus back idk if it counts cuz its in its own separate mode that’s based on memories and I don’t think we can use it in the normal game

[@mahtabfx]

We can use it in ng+

[@thechampion1147]

I like the blades but tbh that axe holds a great place in my heart since it was from Faye and from the time when Kratos was actually happy for once in his life.

[@1985Cohen]

maybe you should discuss about Faye, maybe the reason she died was because she insisted to change Kratos' fate and that's why she argued with her people and the only to change this fate was to sacrifice herself.

[@fyrfly8768]

"I was hoping to see your blades. Guess they don't come when you call" Careful what you wish for.

[@danieloceansmith3156]

I guess that means the plot holes where kratos killed gods before having the “god killing power” from the box was that the blades gave him the power to kill a god, but he didn’t know it… unless it was the strength specifically to kill the strongest of gods instead. Or even just not relying on the blades but his own hands to be able to kill them

[@Eyejrbdysk]

The blades are a symbol of Kratos’s pledge to ares. Something that he can’t undo. Even with ares dead, even with the pantheon gone, he still pledged his life away. He still has the chain marks on his forearm.

[@godslayertactician1284]

This stuff is deep, at some point we need a game/story focused on the blades as well as his ashes, time to bring this stuff full circle. Edit: And considering atreus is on his own adventures and likely will get a spinoff this would be the perfect opportunity for the mainline gow franchise to focus on only kratos himself.

[@jatman9556]

It feels like we don't need to anymore. We're done with the Blades's story, and Kratos just wants to get rid of them for good, maybe in the next story he'll find a way. His ashes are fading away, since he's becoming a new person.

[@GiRR007]

As stated in avatar "fire is life, not just destruction"

[@bradfin12]

I think the implication of calling the blades chaos is that in a primordial state all elements exist in a state of chaos and the gods or some meta gods that made those brought order to that chaos.

[@ValorCast1]

I said this two months ago in my video , and why the blades worked in hellheim but he has a higher viewer count than me so anyways good stuff bro

[@insanemakaioshin]

I think Chaos is the blank canvas the Primordial Elements come from, whether Fire or not. The title is misleading as they've been depowered multiple times throughout the series. I want the Axe to be upgraded with Primordial Ice & do Sinmara what the blades did to Surtur. Ex. Sindri weaponizes ruble from Asgard, so Sinmara uses the Axe to stop Surtur's heart & become Ragnarök.

[@TheNorthernJake]

You know what I think? All your videos are fantastic!

[@ThouSirKingsly]

Honestly, the blades felt a little nerfed in gowr. They were actually op in gow but I think they nerfed them a little because people stopped using the axe.

[@ZeroZephyrz]

Different take: I don't think the blades are the most 'powerful', but instead are the most enduring or argueably: the most resilient.

[@ezg4m3r_12]

In addition to the power, these blades have tech, allowing kratos to do ever more super human feats of mobility and control, allowing him to grapple and swing objects, animate or inanimate, to use the the enviroment against his enemies and overwhelm oversized enemies with speed and precision attacks.

[@Idri3n]

I have an idea; My thought is that when Olympus was destroyed, all the spells were destroyed, but since the gods were destroyed, Olympus may have been destroyed, but since Kratos did not die, I think that his magic still remains, and yes, if it is also built blade with primordial caos or primordial fire, the use of such a weapon requires a great responsibility, so Kratos, knowing this, hid the weapons in the first game (2018) and hesitated to give them to his son for fear that he would be tied in the same way.

[@mc_rysiek5277]

The same novels which you reffer to state that the Blade of Artemis is superior to Blades of Chaos. And against Thanatos (4:51), Kratos used Blades of Athena, which are also stated as superior to Blades of Chaos. Blades of Chaos are, quite frankly, fodder-tier weapons by GoW standards. The Aesir should really be glad they didn't have to deal with GoW3 Kratos, armed with Blades of Exile (stated in-game as Kratos' most powerful allies against Olympus, which includes Blade of Olympus).

[@SeanAwesomeness]

Spittin

[@4superco]

Yep, even a fodder weapon was stated/implied as stronger than the leviathan axe in the GOW 2018 which means they are stronger than Mjolnir, GOW 3 Kratos would've annihilated the Aesir

[@somethingsomewhere66]

​@@4supercowhere was that implied?

[@4superco]

@@somethingsomewhere66 in the novelization of the first game

[@Cosmic_Deity]

I think they flopped by doing blades of exile. Thats why they just named them blades of chaos as if he always had them.

[@Aderismm]

Brok and Sindri have my utmost respect, but people forget the blades were created by a literal god

[@gamingnerd0348]

I love Brok and Sindri, amazing characters, but if the Blades of Chaos are crafted by that of a Blacksmithing God, nothing can top the creation of it, no matter how good a Blacksmith is

[@gurnoorsekhon6402]

Fault in the theory. Are you saying the greek realm was destroyed after Kratos killed himself? Because if you remember, the vlade of Olympus was still glowing even after the death of zeus.

[@lumpcrittergravy]

If this is the case, how befitting that Kratos is now humbled with said Blades.

[@callofdutyvulture9116]

I noticed how when the blades of chaos is stabbed into any god, the god who is stabbed or wounded screams in pain, which is literally every gods weakness within the verse that he carries on his back

[@Lasershadow]

"Does anyone miss Chaos Damage?" from Warcraft 3.

[@merikmalhads1676]

I think one thing your are missing is that Surtur spent basically his whole life trying to forge a blade of high enough quality to harness his primordial fire so he could become Ragnarok without needing Sinmara. He might not be the best of craftsmen we have seen but the fact that even he, a primordial being with outstanding power in his home realm, was not able to craft something that rivaled the blades of chaos even though it was his life's focus and mission. It might indicate that the essence of Chaos was indeed needed by Hephaestus to affix the primordial fire to the blades as that is likely a type of power that Surtur never thought to use. My hypothesis with this crafting blueprint then, is that Hephaestus used Chaos infused metal or perhaps metal derived from chaos directly, to both forge the shape of the blades and contain the primordial fire within them which likely would include the chains that pair with them. It might explain then why Kratos went back for the blades of Chaos over those of the Exile as, while the blades of Exile could mimic those of Chaos when deriving power from Greece itself, it was no longer powered when the lands of Greece died and only the primordially crafted weapons like the blades of Chaos could stay magically powered. I also believe this is true of the Blade of Olympus but its primordially linked power source: the flames of Olympus, were annihilated when Pandora extinguished them. You may then ask how the blade of Olympus remained powered through the fight with Zeus as it was still used to kill Gaia and mortally wounded Zeus's physical body. My explanation for that is the power source shifted from the fires of Olympus to the power of Hope within Kratos which was possible because Zeus tricked Kratos into binding his godly soul/essence to the blade in GoW 2 which linked him, and the Hope he carried within him, to become one with the blade. This is further substantiated when Kratos, at the end of the battle, stabbed himself to release the power of Hope into Greece to one day heal and revive the land as that is the exact moment when the blade dimmed indicating it had lost its true power. Kratos, as he lay wounded likely then tried to gather up all the weapons he had only to see that they were no longer salvageable which is why he went to his throne room to claim the blades of Chaos that started his journey. I honestly think though that even if he didn't go back to personally claim them, the blades were already bound to him closely enough that they would have still constantly followed him as they did in his brief trip to Egypt where he tried to get rid of them

[@random3x70]

A thought occurred to me. The Blades of Chaos are Primordial fire. What if the leviathan axe, contains primordial Ice. So the weapons he carries throughout the Norse saga represent both ends of existence in the creation myth, and post Ragnarok, we know he is prophesied to be a real god with worshippers. What if he rebuilt the same way the ginnungagap was filled between the realm by using the primordial ice and fire

[@Auricalios]

The leviathan was infused with the screams of 20 frost trolls, as stated by sindri in God of war 2018

[@Auricalios]

So no they are not infused with primordial ice

[@fathinpurniawan6486]

I love how Blades of Chaos can level down to be weak weapons (in God of War 2018 it was rusted, in God of War Ragnarok its power is weakened by Fimbulwinter), but can be upgraded even further later on. The Blades also stays true to its indestructible attribute.

[@sarabjitsinghtheyara6895]

I always use the blades because they always do damage to the enemies that you are not even trying to kill and have the best damage :)

[@samsikora4844]

It was pretty weird how Surtr was like "I'm not helping you...oh wait, I'll help now"

[@gamingnerd0348]

He wasn't originally planning on helping because he didn't want his wife, Sinmara, to go through it as well But when he realized there's an alternate way to start Ragnarok without Sinmara, he became eager to help, as long as Kratos and Atreus promised to leave Sinmara out of it

[@Zeast_edits]

I love using the Blades of Chaos in God of War it might be my favorite weapon so I like this theory.

[@Xtrina_]

As kratos said. "I've tried to run from the past to long" basically meaning you can't get rid of the blades meaning you can't rid of the past (just my small theory)

[@gamingnerd0348]

Good news! It's not a theory In God Of War Ragnarok, Kratos has stated he's attempted to get rid of the Blades on a few occasions, but they always come back He says this to Mimir if you're on the boat or on the dog sled

[@a_t_thegamer4307]

In my opinion it would’ve been cool to fight ragnarok with the primordial flame boost for the blades, imagine it awakened kratos’s old powers temporarily

[@senshi_dev_art]

Surtr never said the primordial fire was the same as his, just that the Blades had them, not only that Kratos literally says "They are not of these lands" to with Surtr responds "Shouldn't matter", so if anything the fire is not the same, but the type of primordial magic is, primordial is primordial regardless of where it is, it simply can be used in a multitude of different ways. What this interaction means is that primordial magic was one of the most common magics in Greek mythology while the Norse realm is less focused in primordial magic, however the place they are created still affects their outcome. The Blades of Chaos aren't just created with Primordial fire, they are bound to Kratos an immortal god, so give one of the most powerful type of magics in the universe and bound them to 1 immortal being? Those blades are never getting weaker, in fact, they can get weaker since they react to Kratos's emotions, so in the original trilogy they merely got stronger as his rage grew, in 2018 and Ragnarok they are powerful but much less lethal, not only because Kratos is less brutal.

[@sureshraghul2715]

Isn't chaos itself a primordial matter? I have been believing that the blades of chaos is primordial weapon since the first game due to it's name sake

[@bizzaroblake2519]

in a sense yes. Chaos was among the first forces that made nyx then the titans. Nyx is older than zues and the Olympian gods. She's the goddess of night and the only goddess zues feared as zues sees her as older but more powerful than him. Once her son Hypnos (god of dreams) was tasked by ares and Athena to trap zues into a bed and make him trapped in a sleep while ares and Athena took over ruling olympus. Zues snapped out of it and Chased Hypnos in rage. He ran into his mother's cave to hide from Zues. Once Zues saw where the younger God fled, he quickly calmed down and left them both alone not wanting to anger nyx.

[@venm766]

So basically in that moment Kratos became Ragnarok

[@saitamaonepunchman8176]

I love the idea that the 2nd most (2nd to the axe of course) weapon of kratos is forged out of substance outside of the realms, I kinda hope this is brought up or used later in either the next game or a DLC as it'd be such a waste to just leave this awesome plot point lying in your back pocket forever

[@That_Son_Ofa_Itch]

The blades of Exile where taken before this and the old blades returned. Athena also took her blades back at the start of God of war 2. Which left him with the blades of chaos in that one also up untill he got the blades of Chaos.

[@SmokeNinja47]

What's crazy is the blades of chaos was stripped from him, he then gained the blades of Olympus which was also stripped from him, then he gained the blades of exile. Which Athena said was stronger. Which he had at the end of the 3rd game. So it was really weird that he went back to the blades of chaos.

[@justsomeguy747]

Athena likely had power over Kratos, and her giving him the Blades of Exile likely made Kratos her servant, even if Athena never referred to him as a servant and treated him as an equal or at least was very helpful and patient in his quest. By completing Athena’s quest, his link to the blades was severed and the chains were removed. It’s possible that, had Kratos remained Ares’ servant, that he would have removed Kratos’ chains, just like Athena removes them. And thus, it is possible that the Blades of Exile reverted back to its original form as Kratos has completed his quest, and the Blades of Chaos constantly found their way back to Kratos, a curse likely placed on him by Athena as revenge for his actions. Because, if the Blades were all separated versions of a similar weapon, how come the BOC never found their way to Kratos before? My headcanon is that Athena modified it with her own powers.

[@aamake547]

I believe that the magic that powers the blades of chaos comes from Kratos, as the blades have been bound to Kratos. That is why they still have their powers even though the destruction of his homeland, explaining the quib that Freya made.

[@kiplingin5023]

I kinda think that blades of chaos is a entity that sleeps because it was drained of its power or divided onto all pantheons to stop chaos itself then a little amount of chaos was left thus the blade was created.. i know its sounds crazy but I always think its a key to restart the world without gods i.e lock the gods on other dimension or be killed by Kratos with his BOC.. 😅😅

[@Fourtytwo4242]

If chaos ever comes back I hope he/she/they are not the big bad, because why would chaos want the world destroyed or restarted? Nothing is more in the realm of order, everything is chaotic, humans can raise to kill gods, gods can fall, reality is always changing, the universe is always changing forms and hands. If there was one thing that want nothing it would actually be order, has what more orderly then a void, if anything chaos would love kratos for being his champion against fate.

[@dregenbern6810]

I believe that whatever material the blades are made of is from the realm of chaos. It would explain why they are able to constantly shift form throughout the series

[@Eggmeedits]

I think the blades make kratos more durable cause at the start of the game Thor was beating him up but when he had the blades he took strikes from mljnojr and did not care and beat Thor and don’t forget kratos was still holding back in both or heir fights

[@vit-t680]

He wasn’t

[@TheHiddenOne426]

Yeah. The Blades absorb the life forces of his enemies and in result amp Kratos more. So with each kill or strike with the Blades of Chaos, Kratos grows more powerful.

[@vlad_47]

@@TheHiddenOne426 The life absorption is held back by Kratos in the entire norse saga. The only thing he uses (to some extent atleast) is the normal amp that the Blades grant him, which amps him very significantly.

[@TheHiddenOne426]

@@vlad_47 Was it stated somewhere that it was held back?

[@vlad_47]

@@TheHiddenOne426 By himself and Thor in both of their fights for starters.

[@reaper_the_fox]

Its funny i'm watching this a couple days after the Valhalla DLC dropped in which we can use the Blade of Olympus in the DLC and after beating the DLC you can use the Blade of Olympus in the main story and of course its just so we can enjoy the Blade of Olympus outside the DLC I just think its funny

[@holty1314]

Blade of Olympus fans: “NO!…. no”

[@brimp4989]

Well weren’t the blades explained in the comic that after he left the lands of sparta/greece they followed him as a reminder? But they could only follow him if he slept because every time he did they would appear next to him after he woke up.

[@Unkn4wN_TM]

Hmm, this makes me think. If magic is bound to the pantehon it exists in, does that mean in the next pantheon, the axe and spear won't work anymore? The axe could work if it was created with primordial ice, but i doubt that's the case. Based on the lore as we understand it now, only the blades would work in the next pantheon, no other weapons. Right?

[@AtelierGod]

The land of the Norse realm is still alive and starting to thrive if he went to another realm it still be there and still fueling them with power.

[@kratos9954]

You know I always that thought why kratos old weapons from Greece lost its powers but not the blades of chaos. Even the blade of olympus lost its powers this video makes alot of sense now Great video kuba

[@KaptainKuba]

Yes they are finally confirming that piece of lore from GOW 3

[@Martyn_Wolf]

(This does depend on which version of the Greek Mythos you read) In one rendition - The Primordial Fire in the Greek mythos is something that Prometheus stole from the workshop of Hephaestus on Lemons after Zesus denied them it out of fear that mankind would rise above or not need the Olympians anymore. In other tales, they seem to share more about Zesus being embarrassed regarding what meat they'll get between the Gods and Humans. Since the fire in the Blades of Chaos is Primordial Fire the reason they can't go out or don't lose power is because their fire comes from the primordial powers of the Cosmos itself.

[@revanseyfullayev7137]

I think it is simply because they were forged in depths of Tartarus and they contain the fires of Tartarus. Which is the most powerful primordial fire in Greek mythology. Even some of the names of runic attacks of blades in Ragnarok are good proof for why blades contain the fire of Tartarus.

[@RollingOnFloorLaughing]

There is legit a heavy runic attack straight up called tartarus' rage which is not only a very cool name but also maybe the developers confirming this

[@goverlord]

Everyone remembers Mjolnir's thunder abilities, no one remembers Mjolnir's healing abilities

[@juliusnovachrono4370]

Honestly, this theory does make the most sense, considering the link Chaos has in Greek Mythology as the Primordial Void.

[@vijaytheenigma]

So much primordial in a single video.

[@benderisgreat95able]

What did Surtr look like before he had Sinmara's heart? The shining metal underneath the cooled rock is what I'd love to see complete artwork of.

[@thecommentguy9380]

I think one thing we should remember is that Freya described magic in HER understanding. In the Norse realm, magic is indeed bound to the Earth, or rather to the essence of Ymir that was used to fashion the realms. In the Greek realm, the abundance of primordial power was practically overflowing after the primordial gods destroyed each other that to even keep the world stable, most of that power were contained in the gods themselves. Hence when they die, all of their power is thrusted back into the world, and with each death Kratos brought the world to its primordial form Also we already witnessed how Kratos lost his magic as in GOW2 most of them were bound to his weapons and the Blade of Olympus, and the only magic that was truly his was the Spartan Rage When Kratos lost his old weapons, it wasn't because the world died, it was becauee Zeus broke them. However it's still interesting that the Blades were unharmed, perhaps there was something truly special about them, something that allowed them to resist the corrupted Zeus' power

[@Twinkie0120]

I think I've got it. Look at how the Draupnir Spear was made; the dwarves made the spear head (its form), added the magic of the ring and wind (the function and abilities) and the finished with the blood or essence of a god(to imbue it with power). Same with the Blades; Hephaestus forged the steel, added primordial fire, and bound everything together with the blood/essence of Chaos itself. The really question now is; who's blood went into the Axe?

[@fyrfly8768]

The dying screams of 100 frost trolls if you believe Sindri 😆

[@VBBand]

I feel like it was a missed lore/ story opportunity for the blades to be destroyed by transforming surtr into Ragnarok. Like, from a gameplay standpoint it would have been a hard pill to swallow for all of us, but from a story standpoint it is the final redemption and release of Kratos from the curse he carried all this time that the blades came to represent.

[@beanieman6623]

0:43 mjolnir doesn't make beings time travel, in god of war 2018 mimir states "Thor and Jörmungandr clashes so hard it splinters the world tree sending jormungandr back in time". where with thor and kratos fight especially with the leviathan axe they clash so hard his lightning bolt froze in ragnarok and stating @masterchef3019 it would create a primordial firestorm with lighting and fire combine.

[@kt38138]

06:50 There are certain things in the past Kratos doesn't want his son to know. Him when younger once plucked his uncle Helios' head and used it as a flashlight, for example.

[@danielvictory5866]

6:53 RIP to the og head 🌞

[@sarahchapman1259]

I wish that in the final fight with Thor Kratos called upon all the power he gained in Greece and got mjoner with the blades and destroyed it making a huge explosion sending the power of the lightning to go into Kratos and sending him and frayer back in time to Greece were he try’s to right his wrongs there

[@GLynch_2011]

I believe the inconsistency with the power level of the blades is due to them needing a recharge of energy. In gameplay you can upgrade the blade by imbuing them with chaos flames 🔥, the element which powers the blades and adds further support to your primordial chaos theory. Your recharging and reforging the blades and when they lack that recharge, they eventually revert back to their original state and this can also explain why red orbs in the OG trilogy can upgrade the blades as Kratos is using the very essence of life therefore chaos to charge and evolve the blades naturally but lost the ability to do so after Greece fell. In story, Surtur supercharges the blades in order to give the blades enough power to kickstart Surtur’s transformation as he was incapable to do so himself with that ice heart in him, cooling him down. So when Kratos stabbed his heart, he used up all that power solely to transform Surtur. Even in the beginning of Ragnarok, it’s been stated multiple times that Fimblewinter has been sapping Kratos of his power, this would include the blades of chaos which reverted back to their original state. Even in both 2018 and the tie-in comic the blades after greeces fall and many years without use, the blades again reverted back to their original state after being de-powered for so long. It’s like they are the magic equivalent to rechargeable battery’s……….attached to chain blades.

[@thelishanayomika1089]

Do you have a theory about kratos and atreus and freyar going to Egypt in the next game is there going to be anubis the god of death

[@cobaltprime9467]

I think it’s as simple as the Blades stemming from Chaos. In accurate Greek Lore she was the primordial that existed before all else. The void before creation. She is a fundamental part of the whole universe, regardless of the Land of a given Pantheon. In chaos there could be fire among other elements. The other Primordials did spawn from Chaos. I know I’m basing this on original lore and not GOW’s version of Greek mythology but it’s not impossible for this to be true given the current writers are heavily trying to keep to lore. The Blades somehow have ties to her. Perhaps Tartarus, a Primordial, and the fiery depths Hephaestus crafted nearby, was where the Blades got their fire. Expert craftsmanship that combined Chaos and Fire into an undying power. Thus, when Athena turned them into Blades of Exile, they were no longer the same. They reverted upon the destruction of Olympus. But are also cursed to be with Kratos forever. It also made them the perfect conduit for Surtr to channel his primordial fire into. The same source he wielded.

[@simonauvray3643]

I have my little theory about this situation. First, the reason for them still working and not just becoming a bunch of dull blades like the rest of his equipment and magic, is that the power of the blade is IMBUED and not DRAWING magic from the earth, meaning that his power is from the blades and not Greece. The reason that the blades are still with him can be seen from the first game, with him making a deal that he cannot escape as it is part of his soul, and the blades come with it, they are part of him and without them he is not complete, like when you explained how he was way more stronger when he carried the blades, it made him stronger. Now for the name, in mythology, weapon names are very important, as sometimes their name are accurate to what they are. All that we know is that the blades are made in Greece by the smith, and he could have just found the essence and imbued it to the blades, and I think that is what happens, but that the weapons are also a representation of chaos and is chaos. I mean before Kratos, their was a sort of order, but all was destroyed when he got the blades. I do also think that the power of his blades also become stronger with his emotions but that's for another time. To some extent, we also know that Tyr has done some some traveling through greece and possibly other places, meaning that these worlds are connected and thus, have some connections when it comes to creation. emotions and concepts are what created the world, so it wouldn't be a far stretch to say tat these blades are literally chaos in his hands.

[@justice4all190]

Very possible, Kratos + Blades = Chaos all around.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

The blades are fragments of Chaos found in Tartarus and forged with primordial fire, that means they were made of materials that are even older then the Titans. Since both primordial fire and Chaos are the literal foundation on which every realm sits the blades are not effected by which realm they happen to be in, to them it's all one in the same. This could also mean that since they were bonded to Kratos that he himself is now something of a primordial God/Titan, they could very well be the source of his current status as a God rather then him being the former God of war, afterall, the Greek realm is gone and all of it's power with it meaning if that was the source of Kratos powers he should have returned to being mortal long ago.

[@skaterluis3397]

If that is the case shouldn't it be possible that kratos has been using the chaos blades throughout the whole series or did Athena switch them out in god of war III but maybe making it an illusion that it's the blades of exile